Thor Come ON guys. Please stop ******* Superman and downplaying Thor, *and for some people, STOP acting like Superman is fodder and Thor is above Anti-Monitor, thank you very much.* Thor isn't getting blitzed or pummeled into oblivion. Superman isn't getting one-shotted or transmuted into helium 2 seconds before the fight starts because Thor does NOT transcend time, but guess what? Superman doesn't either. It's a close fight.
Thor Okay, this downplay of Thor's speed needs to seriously stop. Thor's not that slow, Superman can't speed blitz him that easily and you all know it. On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but bor him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Superman Supes still faster than Thor,stronger,and more invulnerable. Current Superman maybe loose,but Silver Age Superman would stomp every form of Thor even RKT.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Thor@shadowatti I hope you know rkt defeated a group of 5 beyonders and it only took 3 to kill the living tribunal
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Thor CA Superman is not greater than the living tribunal 😂 if he was he wouldn't be losing the battle and ca Superman can't beat rkt because he's omnipotent
Thor Lt blink stomps the thought robot no feat nor hype nor evidence can prove he is above the living tribunal
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
Thor "Cas is outerversal"you have no evidence of that claim and you have no evidence he's above the living tribunal (which he's not you can debate me on it)"rkt not even multiversal"except for the fact that he killed 5 beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal who is outerversal so yes rkt is outerversal
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
Thor I agree with @EmptyHand. Thor doesn't body Superman. Thor makes Superman eat his s**t, b***h slaps him a couple of times, and then sets Mjolnir on top of Superman so that Superman can think about why he would ever try to fight him.
Thor The problem I have with most of these fights is that nobody really specifies which version of a character they're using I have seen a few that do but in this case it's base form versus base form so using Feats outside of sand forms seems redundant since they can't be taken into account. That being said I gave the victory to soar primarily due to his vast experience in fighting powerful foes I'm having Magic on his side doesn't hurt either and what a lot of people don't understand is that magic can hurt Superman but he's not weak to it it's not like hitting them with a fireball is going to burn him. Mjolnir has an infinite capacity for energy absorption which could very easily be used to absorb the solar energy that strapped in Superman cells not that he would do that but he could I think that a debate like this should take into account the factors of what could happen not just stats or alleged feats. Though I gave the win to Thor I will say that it will not be an easy when I would say that maybe 55% of the time Thor would come out on top mostly because of his fighting experience as well as his vast array of powers that has Hammer gives him. I do give Superman props in this fight due to his speed and actual ability to fly where is Thor doesn't really fly he just holds on to his hammer.
Superman Even though I voted Superman, I think there actually equal. Both characters are the mightiest beings in their respected universes. Both lifts entire planets, defeated gods, defeated reality-threatening villains, and could bust anything in their path. Both could win a fight here and there, Stalemate.
Thor Surely if you believe that then you wouldn't vote or what I'm trying to do and vote for whoever has the least votes at the time to make the vote a tie
Superman Superman's speed is so ridiculous I have no idea how anyone thinks Thor could react to him. Superman caught up to and destroyed reality-blitzing missles, which were said to sterilize the entire universe in a single heartbeat. This feat is lowballed at Sextillions of times faster than light. He's also crossed the entire universe in 60 days, which is trillions of times faster than light. He can react in a femtosecond. I think Supes and Thor are pretty close in most other categories, with some slight edges, but Superman's speed and reaction times are insane. Thats what gives Superman the edge.
Thor The silver surfers has been able to cross a galaxy 5 times in one second and Thor kept up with him and beat him Thor is just as fast if not faster than Superman
Superman Superman routinely keeps pace with the flash who outran instant teleportation. Flash dwarfs surfer in speed. Superman is faster than surfer. His missile feat is Sexdecillions of times faster than light. Btw surfer didn't actually cross 5 times in one second. He used a shortcut to cross that distance.
Thor I actually searched up how fast the feat was and the speed is only 36.5 quadrillion times faster than light not sixdecillion and flash is absolutely faster than Superman flash has outright admitted it and so has supes
Superman Can i see where you found that? Because the consensus for that feat is that it's much faster than that. Regardless, flash is much faster than surfer and superman has matched his speed and reacted to him before. He's only slightly slower than barry, who is significantly faster than Surfer. Superman has way faster reaction feats too. Thor is not as fast as supes.
Superman Supes and flash have fought on multiple occasions. People on this site are split on the fight. Flash does not stomp supes. It does make sense to compare. Flash is faster than surfer and superman has kept pace with the flash, therefore he is faster than thor. I have numerous speed and reactionary feats for superman that blow thor's out of the water if you'd like to see. He's even broken the barriers of time, space, and life before.
Superman I said thor, not surfer.
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Thor Incorrect actually not once has it been stated that he crossed the universe in a heartbeat but the missles took an hour to cross the universe (and that's a highball you have zero evidence that proves it was in seconds)not only that but you also doubled the size of the dc universe your taking all of it out of context and applying things that haven't even been stated so like I said
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Superman Dude it literally says in the comic that the missiles were going to sterilize the entire universe in a heartbeat. In that scan it says Superman was teleported across half of the universe, 100 trillion light years. So twice that is 200 trillion light years. Nowhere does it say that it took an hour. It says a heartbeat. I'm not taking anything out of context. I showed you proof of the length of the universe and that it was in a heartbeat. So Superman's feat > Surfer's feat.
Superman https://imgur.com/a/voGE9
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
Thor Actually the one that I said was a mid ball (I wanted to be neutral since I wanted to lowball it but you wanted to high ball it so I figured to go with the middle end)but Thor once travelled a whole universe away before an alien could finish praying https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-504fca2295796e1e7e5484c8806d2653
Superman In that comic Thor implies he was in Asgard at the time. You can see the portall effect from the bifrost hitting the ground in the scan you posted. Also check this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/speed-who-can-replicate-this-thor-feat-1906058/
Most users agree he is teleporting.
Thor And if he did use the bifrost then why didn't he use it while leaving the planet there's nothing that even implies that he used the bifrost so I don't really see where your getting that from
Thor No actually I'm reading the comic nowhere does it state he's in Asgard and neither does it show the teleporting effects from the bifrost stop making things up
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
Superman He implies he's in Asgard. I'm not making things up. You can also clearly see the effect in the second panel. You have no evidence to show that this is a speed feat. It doesn't show Thor flying at all and the only discussion I could find on this feat shows that most people think he is teleporting. You need to prove this is a speed feat.
Thor "He implies he's in Asgard"no he doesn't he just simply states that he's a warrior from Asgard
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
Superman Look man, regardless of our perceptions of the feat, you're the one claiming it's a speed feat and that it's as fast as Superman. You haven't provided any evidence that it's a speed feat. It doesn't show him flying at all. He simply appears. This is consistent with teleporting, and not at all with flying. Prove with evidence from the comic that this is a speed feat, since you're the one claiming it is. Until you do, and also provide proof that it's as fast as Superman, it can be dismissed.
Thor Okay so let's use common sense
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
Thor Flash has stated that when he races Superman and gives him a chance it's usually for charity or something like that. During the Justice graphic novel Superman states that whenever they race he felt like Flash always held back.
Superman 1. The portal effect can be seen
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
Thor "1.You can see the teleporting effect"no you can't ive already proven to you that it's just mjolnir hitting the ground the narration further proves my point
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
Superman 1. Let's just agree to disagree. He isn't flying at all though
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
Thor "1.Lets just agree to disagree"how about we agree that your argument isn't getting you anywhere all your doing is repeating yourself after being debunked
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
Superman 1. You haven't debunked s**t. Mjolnir hitting the ground doesn't mean he flew. He hovered after he appeared. Your evidence is bad. End of story.
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
Thor (To lazy to quote you so just know that each number is supposed to represent an answer to your argument)
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
Superman Nice ad hominem. I don't have to quote you. Also, some punctuation would really help you. You sound like you're 10 years old.
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
Thor 1.I didn't say to circle mjolnir I said to circle the teleporting effect quit dodging that question
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
Superman 1. I corrected myself
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
Superman Superman can also do that.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Superman Don't remember the exact issue, but it's in the issue when he survived the death of the universe: caused by the literal personification of Death. He broke through the barriers of space and time to fight the angel of death. Look that up and I think you'll find it.
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
Superman Superman(post crisis) has tanked Darkseid's omega beams and countered it with his heat vision. He'll easily avoid Thor's god blast or even if it hits him one won't kill him.
Thor If anything he's weakness to magic is understated because whenever people use magic and Superman in the same sentence the Superman defenders quickly say "Superman doesn't really have a weakness to magic" even though it's been stated many times in comics how it's a weakness
Superman No it isn't Joe. If magic was Superman's weakness then he'd never be able to beat Shazam, Black Adam, Doctor fate, etc. He just has no defense against it. Kryptonite is a weakness because once you expose Superman to kryptonite he loses his powers and can die. Magic can hurt him, but doesn't weaken him or take away his powers. There's a key difference. Let me give an example: Batman is vulnerable to being punched. Does that mean someone who can punch automatically beats him? Of course not. He is simply vulnerable to it. If you poisoned Batman, that's a weakness. He'd be extremely weak and might even die as a result. That's the difference. Supes has stood up against magic numerous times.
Superman Also, many of the magical beings Superman has fought and even beaten are as powerful if not more powerful than Thor. Such as Mordru, Doctor fate, Black Adam, and Shazam.
Thor@Mr_Incognito You've basically just described why Superman is weak against magic. Weaknesses don't all need to have the same effect. Superman's never defeated Back Adam or Dr Fate and he always struggles against Shazam
Superman@Tyrannus No, i described why he's hurt by it. Magic can hurt him, but it doesn't weaken him. The one time Superman and Adam fought in post crisis Superman was about to hit him with a moon destroying punch but stopped when he realized all the collateral damage he would cause. He was about to win. He beat Dr fate on earth 2. Him and shazam have both won in their fights. Also see Moreau and Claw of horus
Thor@Mr_Incognito Superman is invunerable to pretty much everything else. If someone was going up against and thought what can hurt him, krytonite and magic would come to mind. That's a weakness. It doesn't have to make Superman himself weak but he is weak against against.
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Superman This ignorance lol,superman tanked a magic attack that could destroy a universe,enchantress whose magic is far beyond thor's couldnt scratch him,he tanked from wizard (multiversal) while he was weakened even beat dr fate on earth2
Thor Superman's also been clapped many times by magic users like Shazam and Black Adam. Also when has Superman taken hits from universal destroying magic and the Wizard?
Superman Yes, but he's also beaten both of them. Superman fought on par with Mordru, one of the Lords of Chaos, who has universal levels of magical power. He was blasted by him several times and kept fighting. He's also been hit with the claw of horus, a magical item that hits with the force of a planet.
Superman@Tyrannus the one time adam and supes fought superman was about to win but stopped due to collateral damage. How did he cheat? He threw shazam in front of his own lightning. Regardless he fought on par with mordru who's a universal magical being. Also got hit with the claw. Magic is not a game ender for the man of steel. If anything, it's an annoyance
Thor I said he has to cheat when fighting Shazam not Adam. He's never been able to beat Adam. He stopped because Adam turned his back on him, nothing to do with collateral damage. If he was concerned about that he wouldn't have said that he needs to go all out when fighting Adam.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
Thor Superman was defeated by Batman, Muhammad Ali, Hawkman, and the Joker. Thor and Superman are really even. A fight between the two would last days.
Thor I am gonna end this lowball: I am open minded here and ready to change my opinion. But I think Thor wins:
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
Superman Kryptonian martial arts isnt an amp clint,and im sure you dont know anything about them so superman is stronger but you fandiot calling his consistent feats outlier,pis or similar bs thor isnt more durable wtf superman tanked multi universal attacks like nothing,youre lying gorr cucked him every time they throwed hands Thor has a larger set of powers,bs you literally know nothing about how powerul superman is or what is he capable of
Superman The only reason Superman ever lost to Batman and Joker was because they had kryptonite. Also he fought Ali on a planet with a red sun. He didn't have his powers. Not the same as Thor having his full powers and still getting blitzed.
Thor Shazam is not stronger than Thor. Thor, Shazam, Superman, Hulk, Hercules (Marvel), Wonder Woman, Sentry, and Martian Manhunter are around the same strength. Kal-el cant speedblitz, Thor has is a little slower than Silver Surfer (who is faster than Superman), but superman overall is a little faster. Thor has a major advantage in combat that I think he would win.
Thor I would say this is a fair point to make actually because it gives us an idea of what would actually happen of the two fought. The only thing is that the outcome was based upon fan votes and Superman is the most popular superhero in comics.
Superman Sups was in the lead by about 10 points but someone used a lot of alt accs to give Thor the edge, pathetic. sups is stronger, more durable, and faster, and smarter, that's just the truth and what the creater of the characters would say. But they might say Thor is more durable so I'm 50/50 on that one.
Thor@Bane stronger huh? Is that why he needed help to move Warworld and planet? More Durable? Lol. Thor has taken attacks from Odin, Odin is at least low multiversal. Faster? Well, that's arguable. But you are probably right. Smarter? Lmfao. Thor has 10000+ years of fighting experience. He is a warrior. He has beaten Hercules who is great fighter. Thor managed to hurt Odin, Thor hurts mikaboshi. I know you said you don't read much Marvel, but please, don't lowball The Mighty.
Superman Here is a response to whatever Akhil said
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
Thor Thanks for the compliments @MoP. I only said rude stuff twice and one of those times was when you asked me something that you should have known if you've read the comic and that kinda pissed me off. I'd gladly like to see that Bible of debunks BTY but I'd rather let you do what you want. And why can't you continue this debate?
Superman@Jon I doubt you beat current @Dark_Wing. I never debated you as @Darth_Doom. Remember when I one shotted you twice on Discord?
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
Superman Oof sorry. It is a Google Doc link. You must have a Google Doc account. Which means Email. So....yeah, I wouldn't sign in if you don't want your email exposed
Superman "In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast?" "Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who>Odin and Zeus" "Galactus has a reason to fear it
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
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http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
Superman 'I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.'
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
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I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Superman "Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times."
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
Thor "Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on"
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
Thor "No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?"
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Thor@ManofPower - No....Thor was holding back against Wolverine to the fullest because he was a friend while Wolverine was trying to kill him and guess what....he COULDN'T kill Thor while Thor with a lightning blast put Wolverine down onto the ground so hard his mind-control "broke". Two, Loki is INSANELY powerful and this downplay is like saying Shazam beating Superman or Wonder Woman beating Superman is Superman being a weak *****. Gorr and Void are more powerful than Thor just like how Darkseid or Imperiex would be more powerful than Superman. Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor and more powerful than Superman too but in certain contexts, Thor has beaten the Surfer. Thor also beat Red Hulk....but you know, since you want to downplay Thor, let's look at the times Superman lost to Batman, but you know, let's ignore the context. Thor has beaten Hulk, Red Hulk, Enchantress, Loki, Surtur, Fenris, Sentry, Majeston Zelia, a weakened Galactus....you get my point. He fought beings like Thanos, Gorr, the Void,Zarathos, and Mephisto even if he knew he'd lose, and guess what? When Thor is bloodlusted, he has shown the capability to at least fight with these guys and other skyfather level beings...even if he couldn't win. He has SO much magical firepower and immeasurable amounts of physical might, regardless of the PIS and outliers.
Thor@Oblivion looks like you think n52 superman can beat Thor. That's pretty funny. Rebirth Superman doesn't stomp, infinite pages feat is debunked 6 trillon times every day.
Superman you didnt debunked a **** i stomped you every time we debate and infinite pages happened in post crisis era this is rebirth superman he does stomp go read it lol
Thor Lol, calm down @Oblivion. There's no need to get mad over other people's opinions. I personally think this could go either way, tbh, but I'm not completely saying Superman can beat Thor or Thor can beat Superman. Besides, it's not like one character can win all the time against another certain one. Try to have some respect for what the others think.
Thor@Oblivion Remember you started by calling this site full of ignorant Marvel fans. I voted Thor but I can see this going either way. I'm open to having my mind changed
Superman yes i did bc theyre ignorant marvel fans im saying this generally,no offense ofc there are open minded people like you,but rn this site is full of ignorant fandiots who thinks thor beats supes bc of some horrendous claims ,perhaps due to their lack of knowledge about dc
Thor It's Mostly bc Superman is weak vs magic and He barley beat Thor in other dc and marvel crossover comics
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
Superman You admit that supes beat thor
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
Superman Superman's weakness to magic isn't crippling he's just as vulnerable to magic as most other heroes. He's fought Shazam and Black Adam so Thor is nothing new.
Thor Simple One has weaknesses and the other doesn't, Also one has a god level weapon and the other doesnt, also one has magic and the other is weak to magic simple
Thor What are Superman's advantages?
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Thor Superman is faster: he's equal to the Flash who can move at 14 trillion times the speed of light
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
Thor 1. How Flash is 14 trillons time faster than light? Any proofs? And Clark is slower than Flash (Barry Allen).
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
Thor 1. Tbh, @DarkWing that is pretty impressive. But Superman isn't as fast as him.
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
Superman@Clint
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
Thor 1: what has Thor done that is faster?
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
Thor@MoP the GodBlast was a move that can kill Immortals like Skyfathers ie Odin who was stalemated Galactus and Galactus was hungry when Thor did that feat, it's not PIS. Thor didn't just beat Silver Surfer he went blow for blow with him being on par with him in speed.
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Thor@MoP do you know how strong godblast is? I have done some research, and I think God blast is at least universal (probably multi universal ) attack. And Thor has beaten SS, I mean he can beat a speedster means he can beat another. Thor's strength feats:
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
Thor Those calculations for the Midgard Serpent aren't accurate; they always ignore the fact that it's a magic shapeshifting being it's size has nothing to do with its weight, its weight is unknown.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
Thor@Dark_Wing okay listen:
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
Thor He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way, Supes is probably equal with him. His only advantage is godblast
Thor "He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way"
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Thor@Dark_Wing Did you read my comment? Dude, I ve written there thor has advantage is combat and experience. Others are about equal I have never said it is a stomp or Thor has every advantage. It very close so Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts.
Thor 1. Because combat and experience isn't going to do much in this battle.
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Thor "You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip."
Thor Is @ManofPower STILL trying to say Superman is more powerful than Thor? Even after our debate that I destroyed him in? As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't take his opinion seriously, guys.
Superman Wow...lol @SirSpidey, Are we not allowed to have opinions bruh?
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
Thor "Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit."
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
Superman Ouch, That was a good one. I'll return the favor soon
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Thor What? Darkseid at his peak is far above universal, he's on the same level as Galactus and Odin and here's your proof: 1: during the New 52 JL run Darkseid was able to defeat the Anti Monitor who was amped by the Anti Life Equation which is relative to The Source 2: during Final Crisis his fall (keep in mind he was mortally injured before this) just his fall would have destroyed the entire DC multiverse 3: he's been able to get into the Source Wall which is extremely impressive when you know what the Source Wall is 4: he can wield the Anti Life Equation which is a piece of The Source 5: he's strong enough to one shot Allen Scott who harnessed ALL of The Green 6: he could casually ragdoll Pre Crisis Superman which is still canon to him because of how he works which is explained in Final Crisis. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Thor Dc And s superman fanbois, for your kind information superman isn't worthy, in jl/av crossover thor let him to held his hammer. But at the end superman isn't able to pick that hammer again. READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY
Superman Here's the thing says the comics Thor will be weak and then become powerless within a minute away from his hammer also his electricity isn't magical enough to hurt him even though he's not any more vulnerable to magic than the average jo
Thor Bruh, Thor stopped having the Donald Blake identity in Thor #159 1960 where he became the full time God of Thunder and didn't even need Mjolnir to have his Thor powers.
not voted It's hard as hell. Thor is way more powerful than Superman, no doubt because he have powers like Transformation,Weather Control,Matter Manipulation,Thermo-blast,Energy Absorption,God Blast,Invisibility and Intangibility etc. And he is way more skilled in combat+ton of experience. He fought with Silver Surfer,who is faster than light and he can cross galaxies in seconds,so supes canno't really speedblitz him,it's just less possible scenario. Now Superman is way faster than Thor,cause he can reach speed of light easily, travel unthinkable speeds,and his is almost equal to Flash,so that will be a problem for God of Thunder. Supes also is probably stronger,because he can move entire solar system,lift 200 quntilion tons,lift infinity,his blows are creating shockwaves and he can create Infinity mass punch,Thor can lift 20 planets with one arm sure,but i don't really think that he be able to compete with supes with his bare strength alone,without his hammer. If he looking at Durability then it's close one,but i will give small edge to the Thor,because he doesn't have any weakness but Superman weakness are: Kryptonite,magic,red sun etc. And if Superman get's hit by GodBlast then it will most likely not survive it. It's close one but i will give 50/50 to the both,Thor can win in in certain circumstances if he will be prepared for supes speed and he will not holding back,and use his powers wisely. Superman can win if he will use his speed mostly do dodge Thor powerful attacks,and blows and cut lose for while to knock out thor by his strong blows.
Thor@Oblivion Superman's never been able to beat Black Adam or Dr Fate on earth 1. Superman's only ever been able to overcome Shazam by cheating or having help otherwise Shazam would kill him
Superman Superman is given the ability to fly, has extraordinary strength and is almost perfect, & Superman also has eyes that can fire hot lasers, can see from the largest size to microscopic or smallest size, can function as x-rays and radio waves
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Thor Even if it were canon, Thor still has the connection with the hammer. Even if Superman could lift it, Thor could take it away. It has 1 true wielder. But in the end, it's not canon. It was all fan voted for Christ sake.
Superman Superman is worthy so he can pick thor's Hammer so this one goes to supes. Plus the thought robot(superman) got plot manipulation and y'all fan boy tell me how Thor can beat that? So superman got this victory easy.
Superman Well, aren't you just *pleasant.* Version of Superman or not, The Thought Robot isn't not the one in this battle. Also this Superman is Post-Crisis Superman, just so you know.
Thor white shark, STUPID READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY, SUPERMAN WASN'T WORTHY, IT WAS THOR WHO UNDERESTIMATED SUPERMAN AND LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER. BUT AT THE END THEY SHOWED THAY SUPERMAN WASN'T ABLE TO HELD THOR HAMMER IN HIS HAND. AT THAT TIME THOR TOLD SUPERMAN THAT HE HIMSELF LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER
Thor Some common knowledge for you apocalypse defeated a much younger Thor and that too can be considered as an outlier. It's like saying superman was knocked out by a supernova without knowing it was in his early days
Superman Thor has greater striking power because of Mjolnir,has a more diverse power set and has much more combat experience. But Superman is much faster and people overstate how vulnerable he is to magic. He's weak to it but he's just as vulnerable to it as most heroes in DC.
Thor Superman Is a little stronger and faster, but Thor may be too durable and trained. It is one of the closest fights ever, but Thor barely takes the win.
Superman There durability is pretty much even. Thor's combat experience is definitely an advantage but Superman's intelligence if often over looked. He can process information in a couple seconds that would take a supercomputer years. I love this fight though it's always sooo close I know I voted for Superman but either combatant has a great chance of winning.
not voted i have been studing andDC's Kryptonian hero used to be able to tow several planets back in the pre-crisis days - and he can still bench-press individual planets for days on end in the New 52 timeline - but classically he is capable of moving and cracking planets with great effort. He has held mini black holes in his hands, punched opponents into space and caught and thrown moon-sized spaceships.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
Thor Argubly each universe, Marvel and Dcs most powerful superheroes !
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
Thor I can see Thor winning this in a couple of ways. Since Superman's powered by the sun, Thor could summon a storm cloud to block out the rays. With the Gift of Forgetfulness, he can erase Superman memories or, since Superman has enhanced hearing, Thor could use the Mjolnir to create a deafening sonic boom.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
Superman This is extremely close and Both sides have a strong chance of winning. But Superman edges out Thor 5.5 time out of 10. Superman has better lifting strength but Thor has slightly better striking strength because of Mjolnir. Superman is much faster than Thor but in combat it's slightly more even. Thor's powers are more diverse but Superman's vulnerability to magic isn't as crippling as some people portray it as considering he's regularly fought Shazam and Black Adam. Both have shown they can physically hurt the other and tank whatever blows they throw at each other. This is going to be a long and close fight but Superman edges it out barley.
Thor It is one of the closest matchs. But Thor is god. GOD! He has better combat and his powers isn't just big strengh. Thor is god of thunder and if he gets Odin force (death of superR.I.P.)
Superman As far as I know, Superman was the one that defeated Thor in the only battle they had in an official Crossover. And it was in a 1v1 Battle. In fact, after Thor was defeated, other Marvel heavy hitters assembled in a group effort to punch Supes.
Superman Did you saw supermans latest feat where he did a little sunbath moved at a speed beyond physics and cracked the 6th dimension and one shotted World forger AND destroyed dark multiverse lol
Thor I'm still saying Thor became of faster fighting, combat, more durable, and with Mjolnir he just barely gets the win. Superman is smarter, a little stronger and a little faster.
Thor Superman is a little stronger if we are going by comics. The three physically strongest heroes are 1. Superman 2. Hulk 3. Thor.
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
Thor Thor wins. it is a close fight, but he wins. Superman is a little stronger and faster. Thor is very fast. He caught up to Silver Surfer (who in my opinion is faster than Superman). Thor is so much better at combat and is much more experienced than Kal-El. Thor is a little more durable. He can God Blast him or just put the hammer on Superman.
Thor@Bane333
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Superman Thor's lightning is not magical people, he uses magic to summon the lightning but the lightning itself is more physical, thus, it is a tickle for MoS.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
Superman Actually sups is more durable, I ain't saying Thor is weak just saying sups is more durable, sups is better in every attribute except power and combat.
Thor@Bane333 Nope. Thor and Superman are equal in durability and strength. If anything, Thor is more durable and stronger. You also forgot that Thor has more versatility. Why are you underestimating the Odinson like this? So annoying.
Superman I agree.Thor will not win against Superman..Superman durability and strength surpass hulks and speed..again, Superman for God's sake can tow planets, blow the sun out with his breath and he's dangerous when he he sneezing could blow up a planet I think..he could move faster than speed of light.. Superman would be Thor's worst nightmare
Superman Superman is stronger in lifting strength, sups can lift at maximum strain 4 to 5 times the earths weight, Thor on the other hand can lift at maximum strain 1 to 1 and a half times the earths weight while hulk is around half the weight of the earth to maybe 1 maybe.
Superman Even though he beat him of course he would. Thor wouldn't even see Superman coming if he has bad combat reaction time. So we can assume that Thor would be defeated because Superman is way too fast for Thor to handle.
Thor What are you talking about? "Thor having bad combat speed" Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, knocked out the Phoenix Force which travels at the speed of thought, tagged Quicksilver who can outrun a radio wave, and can dodge attacks from celestials. None of those sound like bad reaction feats to me.
Superman I'm getting tiring of people saying he defeated Silver Surfer. I'm assuming that if Thor defeated the Silver Surfer he must have not used his combat he must have used his physical magicial Thunder whatever. I'm talking about combat where it's like hand to hand.
Thor Thor beat him and physical combat, you obviously have not read that comic. I'll give you this youtu.be/FiSIutHBB-0. a video from one of my favorite YouTubers.
Thor Other than admitting that captain America shield feat was an outlier, how else do you explain Thor keeping up with Silver Surfer and dodging attacks from celestials?
Superman Superman wins this isn't Thor from Avengers Endgame. This is a different Thor, Superman can beat this Thor. Thor has bad combat reaction time. Plus Superman can dodge his Godblast
Superman Superman is more intelligent, strength, speed, durability, power. Combat same. Superman can also lift Thor's hammer look at the Dc Marvel crossover comic Superman vs Thor. Thor can't tap into the Odinforce
Thor Thor is WAY better at combat than superman and a little more durable, Thor said that odin made superman worthy, and Thor can use the god blast, use the elements of the Earth, or just put the hammer on him. Also, Thor is really fast, he has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver surfer before, superman is a little stronger and faster though.
Superman Superman will defeat Thor without much effort and I don't even want to talk about the most powerful version of Superman. Rune King Thor will be nothing in front of cosmic armor superman.
Superman it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman Sure with speed like traveling when your walking and running Thor wins. But i'm talking about combat speed reaction time Thor is not faster than Wolverine dodging bullets.
Superman@lordtracer you are biased as **** don't talk about a character you don't know superman was able to achieve infinity speed and if you were able to travel that well you are able tO react the things coming to you at infinity speed and reaction speed is part of combat speed again you have been downplaying Superman the guy have destroyed universes just with simple punches and pass through infinity realities through soulfire Darkseid who is omniversal through Emperor joker a character that was with mxy powers who is able to put a ******* multiverse in his hands and through the phantom stranger that was stated being impossible to do that and also I am not even using his durability that has his best feats so shut up and don't talk about a character you don't know
Thor Thor is very underrated in speed. He has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver Surfer. Thor can probably manipulate elements of the Earth or God Blast Kal.
Superman Superman can move more than the speed of light and mjolnir can move roughly at 770 miles per hour. So even if stormbreaker is sound speed, Thor can't defeat Thor in power and in JLA/Avengers crossover Superman defeated Thor easily. See:
Superman Some people said Thor is equal or stronger than Superman..I highly doubt that.although he's extremely powerful and strong Superman speed, durability and strength are on a whole different level .. Superman pretty much is so fast he can travel thru time and he can tow planets together and prettying mu ch fky directly into the sun and not even get a tan.
Superman I have underestimated Thor before, and I respect him a lot more than I did, but I just don't see a way past Superman's speed, durability, and strength. As much as I like Stormbreaker Thor from the MCU, I still have to go with Superman.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman Superman maybe your favorite character but you now know if you think that nerfed version of Thor in the MCU can defeat Superman. Superman will win this battle in less than a minute even if we're being generous to Thor.
Superman Intelligence - Superman
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Superman (Agreed), that's sound about right except,
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
Superman I agree 100%,Superman can move close to speed of light and Thor won't see him coming also Superman's durability and strength way surpasses Thor's,even Thor is crazy strong and durable but not on Superman levels.. sorry Superman takes this in 30seconds
Superman superman maybe smarter
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
Thor Superman is faster, Thor is marginally stronger and more durable, and a much better combatant. But none of that matters because Thor can drain radiation. Solar radiation. Which means he can depower good old supes. Of course even without depowering I still think Thor would win.
Superman Magic isn't a weakness of Superman. He's just vulnerable to it. Much like a plethora of other characters. Their strength is about even, but Superman is quicker, and faster. I'm taking Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Thor has superspeed too. And Thor can make superman vulnerable with magic. His lightning bolts will be able to strike superman down and if he put magic in it that could harm superman a bit. Then he can just put Mjolnir on his chest keeping Superman their. Now he can't do anything and Thor can take him out.
Thor Thor has magic which is one of superman's weaknesses. Also he has Mjolnir which superman can't lift so if thor can get superman down to the ground all he has to do is put Mjolnir on his chest and then he won't be able to get up.
Superman Although Thor is one of the strongest superheroes he cannot beat Superman, Superman can pretty much take on ironman, captain America,hulk and Thor at once..he is just too powerful..I'm a huge hulk fan too more than Superman but he's too much for them
Supermanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTGk-pgTnw Superman has more super Strength, more durable, way more powerful, more intelligence, and he can just go near the sun to get stronger.
Superman Need feats for that though. All I know of now is that Superman is faster than Thor, but they are equals in strength and durability. Thor has the combat, experience, and versatility advantage.
Thor I may seem biased here because thor is my favorite character but Superman is faster and stronger Thor is a better fighter has better armor and last time i checked Superman was weak to magic that if why thor has a 51 percent chance of winning in my opinion
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy.
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Superman Another theory, in Marvel and DC's 1996 Crossover event, Superman did lift Thor's hammer and use it. It wasn't canon, but it would be pretty awesome to see Superman catch Moljnier in mid air, and use it against Thor. Honestly this fight could go anyway. Remember, Superman is a power harvester so he could in theory absorb all of Thor's powers, leaving him completely and utterly useless. You mentioned taking Superman to Asgard and I agree that if Thor has the home field advantage he will defeat Superman. Thor draws his powers from Asgard, and when exposed to Asgard, he draws a lot more powers that I understand Superman couldn't handle. Not to mention, Thor would have all his Asgardian buddies to help pummel Superman. Same for Supes. If Superman and Thor are fighting in front of a yellow star, who you suppose will win? Not to mention, Superman is much faster than Thor, and his heat vision can exceed to over 50,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (27,777,760 degrees Celsius), making it capable of burning through Thor completely cutting him in half! In the end, I think without home advantages Base Superman wins.
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy. Plus, Thor can absorb the energy from Superman with Mjolnir, maybe even depowering him with it. Plus, Thor can withstand Superman's freeze breath as he has survived the Casket of Ancient Winters unleashing its frostbitten power upon him. Plus, Thor can also control the elements on a fundamental level, even transmuting them in any way he wants.
Thor Superman Prime 1 Million beats Thor- I agree, no way around that- but then, you need a more powerful version of Thor like Odin-Force or King Thor, and those guys beat SPOM- Not even including Old King Thor or Rune King Thor.
Superman@AkhilPDX, Go read "All-Star Superman" where in the story it tells us that Supe's power's triple every 15 minutes he spends in the sun. He spent around 15,000 years in our sun. So that's 4x24(365)x15,000=525,600,000. It would be N(3^525,600,000)= infinity which tells us every physical trait of Superman is boosted by infinity! Also, I agree that Superman is weakened by magic, but so is Thor. Supes has also gotten so powerful that kryptonite and magic doesn't even affect him. "Powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space. Powers beyond any HELD by ANY metahuman EVER". SPOM is immortal and is a "power harvester". This means he can harvest the powers of any living organism (including Rune King Thor) and use it against them. If his powers are growing, then there is no limit to his power. In theory, SPOM will someday be the strongest character in comic book history. Remember, take my words lightly, for it is just my opinion
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Thor@Dan_the-Man? Come on, Thor beats Superman. He is equally strong and durable, and with Mjolnir- he hits harder. Did you know that Thor can even transmute matter, manipulate the weather, absorb and manipulate energy, create force-fields, disrupt invisibility and intangibility, absorb magic, and transmute the elements on a subatomic level. Yeah, he can also use the God-Blast which can hurt Galactus and he has the Anti-Force which is Magical Energy which can take out multiple people at once and even devastate entire armies? Do you still think Supes beats Thor?
Superman@AkhilPDX, There's a couple different ways to think about it. At base forms, Superman beats Thor, but you bring up Thor at his peak strength. Superman Prime 1 Million which can break planets with ease, can hold black holes in his hands, break light speed,and go much faster, (mach 9350)! Remember, it's just my opinion, while Thor does have a chance of winning, I do believe Superman has a better chance.
Superman Superman in Raw strength, speed, durability.
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Thor I actually change my mind, I think I have overrated superman way too much... I think Thor would win cause he is an actual god, Superman is just a hero who has his weeknesses
Superman "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes." That's the definition of a god so technically isn't Superman also a god? You also bring up the fact Superman is just a hero with weaknesses, yet Thor is also a hero, and Thor also has weaknesses which proves that your argument is false, and from my understanding, you're very ignorant on the subject.
Thor He isn't really ignorant, but yeah, Superman CAN beat Thor, but I don't think it'll happen the majority of the times. Superman is just an alien, not the hybrid between a Skyfather and an Elder Goddess. Thor has some really good divine benefits from their traits, so I think he'll win because he can use his magic to use against the vulnerability of Kryptonians, which will work if used in the right way.
Superman Final Crisis #7
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
Superman It never specify Superman anywhere its talking about every crisis ever made if you think I'm I'm lying go readcomicsonline and look up the comic justice league new 52 #40
Superman It not talking about superman it's every single event that happened and also final crisis superman is the same Superman which is pre crisis superman just depowered
Thor Every single event that happened in DC is canon I know whatever, point is, you can't use Final Crisis feats because that's not the version of Superman we're using. If we allowed Final Crisis feats we also have to allow any feat that Superman has ever done, which isn't how we've been doing it. Same for every character on the site
Superman post crisis superman is final crisis superman the writers don't say it I've checked this website this is base Superman who also infinite crisis,identity crisis and final crisis this is the superman of all those crisis.
Thor 1. It's not specified on the site itself, but ask any debater on here. Everyone uses a composite of Pre/Post-Crisis
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
Thor What? OK, let me prove you wrong
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
Thor Omfg, we're going in circles here. THIS IS POST/PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN! Or at least what people on the site consider canon. (And even Post-Flashpoint but the majority of heroes are weaker then so those feats are not required.) Get that through your head.
Superman it doesn't say anything on this sight about what version of Superman this is it the new superman post/new 52/convergence/infinite crisis/final crisis/zero hour/pre crisis/and flashpoint this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one he,s the main one from rebirth right now prove me wrong on this.
Thor Omg. Seriously. If you are just going to keep repeating yourself just quit the debate. Now let me repeat for the 31st time. No, it is not specified on the site, however, if you actually got into debates, you would know that everyone uses the Pre/Post-Crisis versions. Superman beating True Form Darkseid would possibly put him above IG Thanos, which obviously isn't true. So not only is it not canon but even if it was canon, it would be PIS. " this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one". Yes but no one on the site uses that Superman. We've moved on from the conversation of whether it's canon or not, and we're now talking about what people on the site use. Now, you said "stop saying he,s most powerful one" 1. Huh? What are you talking about? I never said anything even related to that. And 2. Please try to spell better so I can understand your sentences.
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Superman I never said he was the powerful version I said final crisis is canon that what said and that this main canon Superman since rebirth and everything is canon
Superman I never said they can't have supes power . They can't becomevas power as he is . Man of Steel isn't apart of the canon DC Multiverse
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
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Thor People please put your bias aside here. Superman is a Kryptonian, an alien race, he is not special. Any kryptonian could be superman. Thor is a God. Born of Odin the all father of Asgard and Gaea the elder earth goddess making him the strongest being in the universe. Thor alone shares many of superman traits matching his strength not matching his speed but is a 10x better combatant. This is shown when superman fought batman and while superman lost his powers temporarily from kryptonite he was getting wrecked. Superman just benefits from our sun. on krypton he like all kryptonians were as human as can be. Now add Mjolnir to the equation. It has the force to crack a celestials skull. Celestials are god like universal entities like galactus. Now Thor only uses 1/3 of his total power against mortals and superman is mortal because he has been killed before and even for fear of his own life would never use all his power against a mortal. BUT if Thor is enraged enough to enter into a state of warriors madness he would no longer be holding back at all and not only this but warriors madness increases Thors strength tenfold now Thor is twice as strong than superman in warriors madness but at Thors belt megingjord which Thor always wears and that doubles all of Thor strength and speed. Now you have plain old super and Thor enraged and quadrupling his total power level. Its complete annihilation of superman. And say Thor doesn't choose this route? Can summon a storm with cloud thick enough to black super precious sun and wreck him this way. What can super do to win? Speed isn't enough here and really isn't even a factor to begin with. If you possibly think superman wins this fight you're to selfish to put your feelings aside and wake up to reality.
Superman Dude do you know who supetman even is .
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
Thor First yes any kryptonian can possess the powers of supes as seen in man of steel with zod hell even Ursa whipped supes. second faster yes but Thor can track objects at light speed and strength is pretty even if you look at each of their feats such as for Thor lifting the Midgard serpent which wraps around the earth. Third Thor has destroyed silver surfers force field and hell even dented his head, Thor defeated the sentry and killed bob Reynolds removing the threat of the void and Thor matched hulks strength for an hour before the battle ended in a stale mate. and Hercules and Thor threw a planet out of orbit while arm wrestling before that ended in a stalemate. As for super beating darkseid batman also shares this feat so lets dial back the gravity of that. Thor mortally wounded galactus with a god blast and sent him fleeing so why the hell would a god blast not take out supes. Thor defeated mangog and thanos back to back and also fought the entire frost giant army for 9 months straight without rest or sustenance. Thor knocked out the phoenix force, knocked out namor with a single punch and namor has even held his own against the hulk and sentry. But enough about feats. Thor possesses all of superman strength while lacking slightly in speed and while not having heat vision or freeze breathe give me mjolnir over those everyday except the ones that don't end in "Y" but superman is susceptible to magic. He has had trouble dealing with Shazam and has lost to black Adam. Thors attacks are all magic based obviously not the strikes but the lighting is summoned by magic. Thors only weakness is that he overlooks his opponent at times but he wouldn't overlook superman, well the avengers/jla crossover he did but that cant considered canon. Thor is almost tailored to be able to defeat superman in everyday. Especially since super has lost to doomsday from a stab wound and not any sort of kryptonite removing the fact that kryptonite isn't required to beat superman
Superman Really? There's still people who believe that Slowdinson garbage? Thor is not slow in the slightest. Dude is thousands of times faster than light.
Thor 1. Thor hasn't really lost to someone because of speed
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
Superman yes i heard of a God blast and i dont mean superman cannot be affected by he can,, so can everyone else just dat people always say it like its kryptonite and superman has survive a supernova whilst being weakened by a red sun.. but not sayin' he will tank it unharmed
Superman Galactus has much more than multi-galaxy level durability. And Superman once destroyed a structure that withstood the Big Bang, which would give him universal levels of power, far more than multi-galaxy level.
Superman Also too in comic 649 the final panel shows not just prime eart or earth 2 superman fighting its shows every other version fighting in the back ground It's every superman version in every reality fight to so it's the same fight.
Superman i believe, irrespective of magic, superman wins,,i mean??? his faster, definitely stronger and has more endurance. and magic is not a weak ness, its a vulnerability!!! it just means he can be affected by it,,just like every one else. and its not as if Thor is pure magic,,he powers are mostly physical and he has used lightning on stark before but only normal damage was done,,and remember tony can be affected by magic,,even in the comics,,superman won,,,i mean,,all the odds are stacked against Thor...superman wins
Thor 1. Superman beating Thor was non-canon
2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
Superman Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman is an alien "man"! Thor is the "God of Thunder". But don't worry they will create "Superman 1 Billion" and "Superman Armor of Infinity" etc, etc until he is the most boring God of all Superheros.
Superman@SirSpidet even though I'm not even clos to done with my research do you want to do a warm up .(I want actual feats and not that beyonde **** bro)
Thor Did you not read what it said on the bottom of the page?
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Superman@SirSpidey and? Like you said every time I want comic book evidence! You can't prove nothing.RKT can be easy defeated by Eternity.And No were writers say TWSAIS are The Beyonders.
Thor Superman potentially has the advantage in speed, though I doubt it's vastly different than Thor's, Thor is just not often seen using it or relying on it. Thor is basically Marvel's Superman (of course there are other imitations like Sentry and Hyperion) and was created because Marvel needed someone who could rival the Hulk's strength. Between the two of them Superman has all of the disadvantages though (need to absorb electromagnetic radiation or photons from the yellow end of the spectrum from our white sun and weakness or loss of powers near other radiation [kryptonite, "red sunlight"], and not invulnerable to magic) so if I'm thinking of who would win anytime, anyplace it's Thor, because if Superman is away from our sun long enough eventually he'd lose his powers and even with his powers they're on the same level (we're not even talking about Odinforce Thor or Rune King Thor) . Also, Thor has more experience & is a better combatant...and he lives for the fight, he was bred to be a warrior king...and Supes?...they call him the Big Blue Boy Scout
Thor Hey, look over there! It's Thor knocking over Galactus! - http://i.imgur.com/WSKJMwx.jpg He just did it again! - http://i.imgur.com/b7Cwf25.jpg Oh, look... it's Superman moving some clouds... - http://i.imgur.com/n8xwbu5.jpg
Thor Hey, what is Thor doing over there? Really? He just defeated Galactus within one blast? Amazing! (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oh13ASSw_Z4/VnpeYkHYT7I/AAAAAAAAPr4/QP74nFgKcLs/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg)
Thor Can anyone prove, using the comics, that Superman would defeat Thor? I have yet to see one person do so. Or just give me a list of his greatest feats and we can compare them to Thor's
Superman Thor had trouble against chars like Wolverine, Cap. America and Black Panther over the years cuz of combat speed. And Superman is far far faster, responsive and precise all of those street levelers. Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too. Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman. Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts. Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter. Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic. I'll go with the Supe
Thor After doing some research, this is a tough fight. Though thor has his magic and superior experience to Superman, Superman has fought Diana and Shazam, characters with magic and superior experience(not shazam). But thor is superior to these guys too. So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Over all I like Superman far better then Thor as a character but like should have nothing to do with deciding fight. So looking at both of them this is close. Superman has the speed advantage and Thor's main advantage is magic abilities. This is very close but I give to Thor. Main reasoning is he matches Superman in many areas since taking over as ruler of Asguard, also he is a better combatant with years more experience and has extremely powerful magic abilities.
Superman Superman is faster then lightspeed to. Just depends on the writer. He has also beaten Thor in a cross over. Superman has the advantage in this.
Superman Thats irrelevant. If you are talking feats then you pull what is considered fun, sells well and what people remember. The cannon argument does not work since this site literally has JL and Avenergers battle. But aside from that if you look at default Superman and Default Thor, Superman has the edge in every area. Honeslty I think a better match up would be Thor vs Wonder Woman, with Thor having the advantage.
Thor That cross over is before Thor took over as leader of Asguard and far less powerful. Thor now has held is own against Galactus and fought the likes of Silver Surfer. While I believe this would be very close I do think Thor takes this barely.
Superman So you are saying its Thor once he became leader of Asgard. So we are not going default settings of these characters. Then a counter argument would be pre-52 Superman. He still has the advantage. This comes down to each characters limits and Thor clearly has more then Superman does.
Thor Thor fights Silver Surfer to stand still he has held his own for a time against Galactus. His magical capabilities or all at or neat cosmic levels and he has been fighting for centuries. Look I love Superman way better character then Thor but I to fan influences out and only looked at abilities. I do believe this could go either way fight is very very close but Thor would win. However I do also see your reasoning for Superman
Thor Thor has fought the Silver Surfer 6 times and won 4 and tied 2 due to outwardly intervention. He is vastly more superior to Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer even admitted that Thor's Magic is stronger than his Power Cosmic. And Thor didn't just hold his own against Galactus, Thor literally defeated Galactus within one blast
Thor Thor would win 8/10 times, yes superman has speed but don't forget Thor has fought many people who where faster than than him and won, plus Mjornir is faster than light speed which would be a massive boost on Thor winning, and then again Thor has magic which is one of superman's main weakness, then gold blast would just be able to finish him, I like both characters but Thor would Just obliterate him
Thor I do not think Thor would win that easily and think 6/10 times is more likely. Superman would use his speed advantage and would not pull punches against Thor. But I believe Thor would win for reasons you listed combat experience and magic capabilities
Thor Superman is without a doubt one of the strongest ever. Thor on the other hand just has the advantage. Thor has beaten Shazam in the DC Marvel Crossover and that was when Shazam was regarded as equal or stronger than Superman. Super also has a weakness to magic, and Thor's entire attack strategy is based on his magic lightning and his magic hammer, Mjornir. Supes can speed blitz but Thor has been recorded moving at light speed. Eventually they'd reach a red sun which is also a weakness of Superman. Yes, Superman could win. There's just a better chance for Thor.
Superman Stops the Brainiac Mothership from colliding with Earth, with the help of Martian Manhunter, which was huge Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite Casually carries a submarine Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth Lifts a ship Hits Wraith with a large ship
Superman Lol, "casually carries a submarine". A submarine is NOTHING. Thor has reversed the world engine, which was moving Yggdrasil. the tree that connects the 9 worlds - http://i.imgur.com/NBmQa8j.jpg - Also, speaking of casually, a casual throw of Mjolnir hurt Galactus, who has around galaxy level durability. Now, what do you think is more impressive, harming Galactus who has galaxy level durability, or lifting a submarine, which would have been around 40,000 - 50,000 tons. As for your other feats, none of them equal to harming Galactus - http://i.imgur.com/1WpCk32.jpg
Thor People need to get over the popularity contest that people make this match out to be. One is a god for a reason. Thor lived in the center of the sun and fought the FROST GIANTS for 9 months straight so that virtually removes the advantages of supes heat vision and freeze breath. Thors hammer is the most devastating weapon from either dc or marvel universes. Its abilities alone outmatch supermans all together. Thor has also fought and defeated celestial beings before so superman wouldn't even be Thors toughest opponent he's ever faced. Thor has also fought the likes of silver surfer and has defeated him and he can move as fast or maybe even faster than superman so the speed difference between the two wouldn't be a huge factor. Finally and I don't think anyone has ever taken this into consideration is that Thors weather manipulation can block the sun with the clouds which is supes source of strength and I'm not even mentioning the possibility that thor gets his hands on kryptonite. Listen i love superman and his selflessness is awe inspiring but this is one match the man of steel doesn't walk away from.
Thor First off, Thor has been shown to move faster than FTL speeds. Being able to reguarly travel across the 9 realms without the bifrost in a short amount of time. Not to mention the 9 realms are totally separate universes, so that means he can move a lot faster than FTL speeds. He has godlike stamina, as he has fought an army of frost giants for 9 months without getting tired. He has thousands of year of experience, weapons training and has the ability to exploit his opponents weaknesses to his advantage. He has also headbutted the Silver Surfer which actually dented him. While Thor only had a bruise
Superman Well superman has survived Darkseid s omega beams , he has held together a universe , he has sneease away a solar system , he has defeated the Jla and he's defeated shazam who is similar to thor
Thor Shazam is nowhere near on Thor's level. And also, I think fighting an army of frost giants for nine months is better than one blast of Darkseid's omega beams. Thor also has the Warrior Madness. An ability which he rarely uses but allows him to go berserk for a couple of minutes which would let him utterly destroy Thor. The god blast and the magic is enough for Superman
Superman Yeah CV can be pretty toxic at times and their formatting wasn't the greatest. The site also kind of looked dull in general. I drifted away from that site years ago.
Superman I would have to say that the two attacks are about equal in destructive power, although the Omega beams are capable of more things then the God blast. Superman not surviving the god blast would be correct, due to the fact that he is not invulnerable to Magic.
Thor Oh, like the Omega Beams being incapable of killing aliens like Superman, while the Godblast is shown being capable of defeating beings like Galactus?
Superman@Spidey you are correct the Omega Beams are much much weaker than godblast The Godblast has harmed galactus (Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
Thor I can only laugh on those DC fan boys who think Superman will win bcz Superman cant even beat SHAZAM... If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God... Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
Thor@InfiniteDestruction I can tell we are going to get along very well. I also read your profile, and I can near guarantee you that if that happens I will do my best to help you out. Welcome to the site :)
Thor Thanks man! But I wouldn't worry I've been on here before for about a week a year ago and I don't know why I just stayed other than have to deal with that crap on CV.
Superman It's never been officially determined, but I think the most fair way is to count Superman as a mix of Pre and Post-Crisis. Oh, and by the way, this is Odin Force Thor.
Thor@SirSpidey If this battle were to actually take place, how would you truthfully see it going down? Do you think it'll last for awhile or do you believe Thor simply destroys him early? I'm genuinely curious since this seems to be the most popular battle on this site.
Thor It would be a complete and utter godstomp. That is if Thor wasn't holding back. If Thor were to hold back, It would take longer, but it would still be a stomp
Superman No it would not be a godstomp, Thor has been overwhelmed multiple times by Beta Ray Bill, at the time Bill was no more powerful then Superman.
Thor Beta Ray Bill is vastly more powerful than Superman. While Superman can only shake a single planet with his punches, Beta Ray Bill completely destroys them in one go. As for Thor vs Beta Ray Bill, there first encounter was not fair as Thor was still in communion with his mortal form Donald Blake, so if Thor were to be separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds, he would turn into Donald Blake. Unfortunately, Thor did get separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds which caused Thor to turn into Donald Blake, as previously mentioned, so Beta Ray Bill took advantage and knocked Donald Blake out. In there second encounter, Thor was without Mjolnir and Beta Ray Bill had the advantage because his body was more acclimated to the environment that they were fighting in
Superman As I said at the time Beta Ray Bill was no more powerful than Superman, and I do believe it was only after Stormbreaker that Bill was capable of destroying planets.
Superman Everyone saying Thor is a god is WRONG. Thor is a DEMI-GOD (HALF HUMAN, HALF GOD) Superman is Kryptonian. 0% Human. He is a superior life-form. Superman wins. Literally in strength, speed, combat, Abilities and in everything! Superman doesn't have a weakness against lightning and thunder. So....??? SUPEY WINS
Superman I don't know what Marvel comics you've been reading, but Thor is zero percent human. Thor is fifty percent Asgardian and fifty percent Elder God.
Thor Superman doesn't have a weakness to regular lightning, but he does have a weakness to magic. Thor's lightning IS magic. Superman is weak to it, therefore he would lose.
Thor There are more than only three ways Thor could win. That is an ignorant statement @remy94. In which comic does it state that Superman is immune to magic if he has the Sun?
Superman Literally Superman. Anyone can hold Mjolnir who is true of heart and Wonder Woman was one of the heroes who actually was able to carry it and Superman too on the DC x Marvel crossover. Plus thor's Weakness is piercing weapons. Superman wins.
Superman I change my mind on this battle all the time. I'm sure my mind will change to Thor in a couple days and i'm pretty sure I'll never have a definitive answer in a while
Thor Thor is more versatile, has more abilities, with Mjolnir attacks stronger than Superman and his energy projection is far superior to Superman, but Superman's combat speed is higher. Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Thor I think the issue is DC just constantly reboots/ recons Superman, so @SirSpidey excuses most arguments that are made. Which isn't a bad thing. However if Pre-Crisis Superman was included/ cannon I am sure people could think of a lot more arguments for Superman.
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman First I have come back for one purpose and one purpose only. To prove @SirSpidey wrong that Superman is weak. I respect Thor and I give him a lot of credit, like beating Galactus. I will use canon comic book references to give you a list of feats that will prove to all of you that Superman is not as weak as @SirSpidey makes out. I will start as soon as @SirSpidey replies to me.
Thor It's not that Superman is weak, it's just that his strength isn't comparable to that of Thor's. Superman's greatest feat of strength is benching the weight of the mere Earth for five days straight. I have done the math and that would come out to be 2.6 octillion tons that Superman was lifting. So while you can actually calculate Superman's greatest feat of strength, there is no possible way to calculate Thor's greatest feat of strength as you would have to figure out how many planets are in the Universe and know how much they way
Superman Ok put strength on the side for now. I will start with durability. Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level) www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/pc-superman-even-can-survival-big-bang-1456568/ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004635-enduresentirecreation.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004637-enduresentirecreation2.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004636-enduresentirecreation1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004634-2908743-action553_22.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004639-survivesbigbang1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004638-survivesbigbang.jpg
Superman Superman fights Blackstarr, an extremely powerful cosmic reality warper, and tanks the force of a million galaxies. We can calculate the "force of a million galaxies" in many ways. When Blackstarr says the "force of a million galaxies", she most likely means force, in newtons, equivalent to the mass of 1 million galaxies. So we can use Work = Force x Distance to obtain a figure for the feat. (Yield: 2.0704806066321756E59 J, Galaxy Cluster Level+) Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg. Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth. http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr5.jpg.html http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr6.jpg.html
Thor@Darth_Doom: Well for starters, you cannot use the Avengers/Justice League crossovers as evidence because those are not canon. As for the speed of Thor, a ton of people like to reference the time Thor had trouble with Wolverine because that is one of the very few low showings of Thor. It was indeed plot induced stupidity considering the fight took place in Thor vs Wolverine and the only way to please the audience (or Wolverine fanboys) was to make Thor extremely less powerful than he usually is. Lastly, Thor on foot can go faster than light. Thor with the help of Mjolnir can go at speeds that transcend time. That is my opinion on the matter, but I can back it up with comic book evidence if need be
Thor Ok did you look at it on the site i have you if so I give up i can't win the debate I've been doing this for some days now first with @IMABATA N 42 THEN you I just can't win it also are we cool No hard fellings
Thor Ok and do you play last of us my dad might play with you I don't feel like playing it right now but he might also I'm trying to get him to join superherodb he's a giant Batman fanboy
Superman It's absolutely incredible. One of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had, I've played the story at least 7 times and it keeps getting better. I honestly envy you since you get to experience it for the first time whenever you play it.
Thor I could have played it I've watched my dad play it numerous times I just don't like story mode but I m might try it and how excited are you about tlou 2 and do you know that lasts of us is one of the most popular games ever up their with a certain mari o game
Thor@DarkProdigy: While canon Thor decimates beings like Galactus, the Void, a more powerful version of Odin, and even Thanos who was so amped he was equal to Death in power, non-canon Thor gets beat by mere aliens like Superman
Superman@Darth_Doom Damn you have no idea excited I am for The Last of Us 2. Beyond excited, hell like I said I can't put it into words. I've been waiting 5 years for the sequel and yeah whenever you get the chance play the story it's a once in a lifetime experience.
Superman Yes there is no need to kick I'm off the site, he just needs to rethink his approach when he comments, and start respecting other people's opinions.
Superman Sirspidey yeah good idea for my advice you can start not replying on the people that don't use facts about this battle but reply on the people who actually issue the comic for evidence.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Superman@Darth_Doom Why would Galactus kick him off? I'm not trying to get into this but I don't believe he should be kicked off the site just for debating. I mean this site is supposed to fun not sure why you want him off.
Thor By kick him off i mean straighten him off and he was to cussing @Remy94 out and talking about a second account t is not debating it's trying to get under his skin and I already said this he has no respect he always has to be right but I don't want him off the server i just want him to stop being disrespectful to us (not me)
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor My brother wants to know why flash beats sonic i say it's because flash is better in all feats but can you say why so me a nd him don't start please thnks
Thor Raven as shazam And Mr myxzptlk are except for shazam more powerful than thorn in magic And what what about ra iden dark Khan black ada m Zhao Khan and so on
Thor Raven definitely doesn't have more powerful magic. Shazam has equal magic in base but Thor's hammer definitely gives him the edge. If Mr. Mxyzptlk was actually serious in a fight with Superman, Superman would stand no chance whatsoever, Mxy could literally think him away. Do you mean the Mortal Kombat characters, dude, that was a video game. Black Adam may be slightly more powerful than Shazam, but it still doesn't matter. Keep em coming, I can do this all day.
Thor And I know she has defeated him before but what about wonder woman magic wonder woman defeated Thor and Diana has more magic and yeah I can keep going to @IMABATMAN42
Thor *Screaming on the inside* Why do you keep mentioning Death Battle?!? They do not use even an ounce of factual evidence, literally all they do is say things and expect you to believe them. Look at this for example https://goo.gl/images/KtLsNE if you zoom in on Goku's base speed it is actually greater than it is in SS1, proof that Death Battle did their calculations wrong. Yeah Diana has magic, not projectile magic, like Thor's but she has a magic weapon, that can, wait for it, CUT THROUGH KRYPTONIAN'S. http://imgur.com/a/xOBXe
Thor 😦🔫 i have no other people left to try and stump you i give up but wait a second this match isn't about Canon this is about overall but your opinion is yours my opinion there hahahahahahaha i enjoyed debating with you my friend 😀😃😁😃😁
Thor Wait a second you just said something that means I win you said Diana atom sword cuts through kryptonians just like can barbarians and other beings that means superman can lobotomize Thor and win
Thor 😤😰😣😥😣😧😱😲😵😷👻 i give up this debate is driving me nuts i can't take it no more y'all no more than I in comic books and I just give up😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😁😁😁😁
Thor Lmao I just can't keep debating I'm going so I don't know as much but come on I'm not stupid i know their common and uncommon known powers Thor has been seen dead by deadpool so I'm just done debating about this match
Thor Ok you're not thinking about the time the heat vision would take to reach Thor, by then Thor would have moved, quite a bit actually. Superman will have no choice but to fight him head on, a fight that he will eventually lose. Also, when has Superman ever used this ability, other than that one movie.
Thor I'm a couple comics actually but I don't remember the names but I remember reading them and also be has done this on doomsday and since superman has the strength advantage what if he holds Thor down to do it
Thor On my God I just saw a comic book that ultrama n lifted the book by himself but still what about a black hole he's held one with his hands and black holes by my knowledge are infinit e density
Thor Superman has lifted INFINITY AND ETERNITY HE HAS DESTROYED PLANETS BEFORE AND HAS HELD A BLACK HOLE BEFORE SUPERMAN HAS SURVIVED MAGIC ATTACKS FROM BEINGS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN THOR
Thor First off, the black hole Superman was holding was a SPECK, a SPECK that he was struggling to hold, a SPECK that only had the gravitational pull of a small planet, at most. Oh, look, here's Thor breaking out of a gravitational pull the same as a neutron star, http://imgur.com/PnBvsUE. He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Thor Superman and Wonder Woman failed to stop Spectre from falling to the Earth and Superman DID NOT lift the Book of Infinite Pages. It was ULTRAMAN who lifted it
Thor No. The first attempt was indeed by Superman and Shazam who couldn't even budge the book. Fanboys just like to twist what the comic conveys to fit their fanboyistic desires. That is the only reason you hear people say Superman lifted an infinite amount of weight. However, the second attempt was by Ultraman who managed to actually carry the book to the Ultima Thule, a task Superman and Shazam were physically incapable of doing
Thor K thought you guys were done but remember Imabatman superman can focus on the flash moving faster than light speed Thor normally can not to faster than light on earth
Thor Superman has never hit the Flash with his heat vision, it's just not fast enough. And everyone keeps saying that Superman can dodge Thor's Godblast, but Thor can do the same to Superman's heat vision, as they are both a one direction beam. Superman also doesn't go faster than light on the Earth, as it would destroy it.
Thor Okay, let me repeat myself, a theme that is very common with you @remy94, nothing has proven to be able to even harm Thor's brain physically. So try again
Thor Shall I repeat myself again? Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lasers ain't gonna do shit to Thor. Lol, "there is no reason this attack wouldn't hurt Thor." Whatever kid
Thor Remy Sirspidey shut up theirs no reason to arguing on here like this there kids on this site Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
Superman This battle could very well be over before it began, Superman could just lobotomize Thor just by looking at him. "Heat vision focused through your pupil like a scalpel, instant lobotomy" -Superman
Thor Your basically forgetting that they'll both be zipping around the battle field, and Superman won't have time to focus his heat vision, if he's constantly getting pounded into the ground by Thor, at Mach speeds.
Thor I can agree I'm selling him a bit short, but what I meant is that Superman won't be able to concentrate with Thor fighting him, on near equal terms at very fast speeds. Labotomy would not work. So he would have to resort to a physical battle, one that, in time, he would lose thanks to his disadvantage, he is "weak" to magic.
Superman I'm pretty sure during some point in the battle these two characters are going to make eye contact. Plus as long as Superman has sunlight, magic isn't going to effect him.
Thor Dude, you're wanking Superman to oblivion, I mean the dude struggled to destroy the shadow moon, which is only a star level feat. Besides, and this is a major plot hole, Thor could just destroy the sun. Speaking of that, why have none of Superman's villains destroyed the sun, just to get rid of Superman?
Superman Superman has a lot greater feats than destroying a moon, Clark has destroyed entire dimensions, and has held a black hole in his hands. Even if Thor was capable of destroying the sun (Which he wouldn't because that would be the end of earth) Sups could very well instantly fly to the first star he sees.
Thor@IMABATMAN42 Are you seriously using Superman's Shadow Moon feat as his greatest feat? You're only trying to lowball Superman so you can suck off Goku. But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
Thor Yeah, I know Shadow Moon isn't his best feat, it's actually one of his worst, and that's why I bring it up in my arguments, as the force of him doing that, KNOCKED HIM OUT. And he struggled, struggled, to do that, a star level feat, he struggled to accomplish a star level feat. While Thor is easily Solar System+, and Goku is easily universal+.
Thor Tell me what rest has Thor lifted infinity and also superman has supported infinity an eternity superman beats hulk Thor goku saitama and avenger why would Thor be stronger than superman and he is no we're close superman has faced to a distant star and back i n about 10 b notes Thor has not Thor relies on teleportation so MMH can beat Thor keep it coming I can do this all day
Thor Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lazers ain't going to do shit to Thor. Also, @remy94, when did Superman destroy a dimension?
Thor Ok I guess Jonathan is offline so I'll debate with y'all and Remy superman won't lose to God blast because juggernaut just shook God blast off and superman durability is better than juggernauts and stas Thor has more experience superman has like 20 years while Thor ha s thousands of years thank you very much 😉
Thor Unless Superman is more durable than Galactus, Superman has zero chance of surviving the God Blast. Also, the only reason Juggernaut survived the God Blast was because he had a mystical barrier protecting him. Lastly, what is your evidence to suggest that Superman has more durability than Juggernaut?
Thor For one darkseid lasers can erase God's can kill people instantaneously and also the only people to survive the omega be ams are superman and doomsday the only reason doomsday survived is because of his immortality darkseid has even blasted galactus so just stop prove it your really annoying me with you and @remy 94 fighting its just annoying so just stop alright this is meant for fun ok
Thor While Darkseid's Omega Beams can be resisted by Superman, Doomsday, and immortals, the God Blast has only been resisted by one being, the Celestial named Exitar The Executioner. The God Blast also obliterates immortals, unlike the puny Omega Beams
Thor Actually the omega beams do kill immortals i said doomsday because you know him he survived from nothing and also doomsday beats Thor darkseid beams has killed immortals before and hurt beings like that celestial like Galactus who easily is more powerful than a celestial Thor in the Thor vs darkseid battle his own brother the Highfather i think his name is his fellow old gods and he's laser beams shattered lantern barrier like it was nothing is laser beams are also faster than Thor s God blast they can hit the flash of it was little faster and also darkseid has shot anti monitor with the beams and severely hurt him even though he got killed omega force is better than Odin force
Thor Lol, your logic is painful to deal with. I honestly don't even want to try and rebuke everything you said. It would be too much of a hassle considering how much of it is incredibly wrong
Superman Well after seeing Superman tank one of Shazam's lightning bolts with little to no real pain, I'd wager Superman most likely has this one. Both are Solar-System level fighters, but Superman has edge in intelligence and experience, and his power kit is much more flexible than Thor. Thor's God Blast is potentially Multi-Solar System in power, but I won't count it since there is barely much info on its actual power.
Thor Barely much information on the God Blast!? We have enough information to know that it easily destroys beings like Galactus, a more powerful version of Odin, Surtur, and hurts Celestials like Exitar The Executioner. If instant teleporters can't react to the God Blast, Superman of course can't
Thor Remy94 i forget you actually right but imabatman shazam has very powerful magic that's where his power comes from not form his physical power he has the magic of the gods i forg ot so I do not submit haha haha I still can win the debate 😉
Superman I don't mind if you disrespect me, because you do it all the time. But if you are going to disrespect my brother then you and I are going to have problems.
Superman@SirSpidey Not saying remy94 is spectre94, (I don't wanna get involved) but is there really anything wrong with having a 2nd account? It's only a problem if they start using it to their advantage
Thor Well, you get more votes, you can team up on people, and not to mention it is morally questionable especially when you claim it isn't your 2nd account
Superman I agree on that last part but it really doesn't bother me if he uses two accounts on big battles like this because it doesn't really make a difference, but if he started double voting on smaller battles or he has more than 2 accounts then I have a problem.
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Superman@Darth_Doom I wouldn't bother, I've been debating with this guy for quite some time, he has very little respect, it will just end up coming back at you.
Thor Alright I'm was only going to do that because I like the way you debate @SirSpidey is just one of those guys who think people don't know nothing maybe we can try talking to @Galactus try to get him to shut @SirSpidey up because I'm sick of him and I've seen the comments he's wrote to you he s just a spoiled brat
Superman Well thanks for your support, I think once @Galactus starts to see that everyone is having a problem with him, he'll probably do something about it.
Thor Thank you I just got sick of him he is so disrespectful to people and someone has to put a stop to him I'm just sick of it so what if @remy94 has a second account it's not going to hur t nobody can you tell me how to talk to galactus please
Superman Forum, General conversation or you'll have to wait until he gets on, and then private message him. It was my brothers account, but even if it was me, which it wasn't, I'm obviously not using it to get ahead on anything.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor@remy94: If it didn't really matter to you, you wouldn't be responding to my comments. The only reason it always comes back at you is because I am always in the right. If I wasn't always correct, there would be nothing to come back at you, but no, you always refuse to be wrong. It is one of your greatest downfalls. The only reason everyone has a problem with me is because I don't sugarcoat shit. So what if I cuss, it's not like it is wrong. It would only be wrong if I were to curse at people, something I try very hard not to do. Your not using your second account to get ahead on anything!? Are you serious? In the past, you have ganged up on me with your second account. So don't lie to us and say you haven't done anything wrong. Lastly, please explain to me how me accusing you of having a second account equates to me disrespecting you. It honestly makes zero sense to me
Thor@SirSpidey i would like to apologize me and @remy94 said stuff no better than you we disrespecting you as well trying to get you kicked off the server i am sorry
Thor@Darth_Doom: Really? You have been here for 13 days and already trying to kick someone off? I'm going to take it easy on you considering you are only 13, but you seriously need to watch yourself. Not only am I moderator, but I have been doing this same exact thing for 2 years and as of yet have had zero problems with @Galactus. The opinion of a little kid like you is not anywhere close to that of the creator of this entire website
Superman Sirspidey have you ever had a problem in your life that was conflicting you while you was off this site and facing this problem in the real world?
Thor Ok and I'm not really thirteen I'm 19 i just tell people that so they don't mess with me and no you didn't anger me I just didn't like you and remy94 fighting it was pretty annoying and also I wasn't really trying to get you kicked off the server i was trying to get you to be quiet but are we cool because I definitely don't want to get kicked off the server but truce P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
Superman Sometimes I meet with these people whether they have a reason why they have a conflict, I have a conflict for myself today everytime I go to school I would always have something that would be bothering me like people trying to stare at me while my head is down like I always do since I have autism-Aspergers and other times that happen to me is when there's a lot of noise everytime I go to a classroom and they would never be quiet it happens everyday to me and so sometimes I like to be mean to people that's why.
Thor@Bbq444: Hey man, you be you no matter what people may think. Yes, people are extremely annoying and even clueless at times, but they are still human. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, but we as a human race need to try our hardest to love each other. As Jesus once said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." I think this verse from the Bible perfectly applies to your current situation. So that is my advise. Now it is up to you what you do with it
Thor@SirSpidey That is probably the most bad ass thing I have ever seen you type on this site. I have a close friend with similar obstacles as @Bbq444 and he struggles with similar things. I am going to share your comment with my friend, because I think it sends a very powerful message.
Thor Alright this is my last time trying i know this is probably bull but I'm going to try it anyway it said superman has pushed Thor s hammer back with Thor pushing on it and it said Thor with out the hammer is slower than wolverine with is little F TL and I'll send you the site i saw I t on https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up
Thor Yeah but he took Trigon punches which like you said is multi galactic levels so Thor once again magic should not hurt superman as much as you think actually after you messAge I'll go see about thor s magic so I understand better cause I like Thor but I don't actually know a lot about him so I'll research him a bit more and also my fave hero is the flash also how wins flash of sonic the hedge hog
Thor Was this in the movie? Because if so it's not canon, but I'll attempt to debunk it anyway. So, Trigon's power could reach multi-galactic scales, yes, but his physical strength, while being impressive, isn't comparable to blows from Thor's hammer, which has caused beings like The Hulk, who have comparable durability to Superman, under normal circumstances, that is, because of Superman's "weakness" to magic he is more susceptible to Thor, than say someone of equal durability, such as The Hulk.
Thor Ok I done some more research it said that most of Thor magic comes from the belt and goe s to the hammer his other magic he has very hard time using it but I don't know how cause that research was of a post almost 8 years so I submit Thor can beat superman i can't get around any other corner apparently you t more into heroes than I am and that is way something because I watch imaginary axis variant comics and tons other comics stuff but you have to be right cause you actually have a reasonable point and I'm surprised normally I'm a very stubborn person but you are right my friend also is the r a way I can message you privately on this site
Thor Superman would have a very good chance of winning, if magic hadn't been one of his "weaknesses", because they are near physical equals. Oh and yes you can message me, just go to my account, click on messages and type something. Note: I don't really check my messages that often, but I'll try and look at them more. 👍
Thor He doesn't, but if magic hadn't been one of Superman's weaknesses, well, there's a possibility, I'd actually say without the magic weakness it would go 50/50.
Thor How though? Thor is factually a smarter fighter, stronger, faster, vastly more durable, etc. Prove to me Superman would win even if Thor didn't have magic
Thor He actually has have you watched justice league vs teen titans i mean superman didn't actually hurt Trigon but still Trigon dark magic is more powerful than thors and also darkseid actually does possess some magic it's just not well known and cosmic is another form of somewhat magiclike even though it isn't a weakness to superman
Thor I haven't actually watched it yet, but either way Superman still gets completely stomped, because Trigon is like, multi-galaxy level, possibly higher.
Thor Shazam, while being very powerful, is more of a physical based character, and isn't much of a "powerhouse", that is to say his magical prowess isn't very impressive.
Superman Shazam's magical abilities all come from gods that are very comparable to Thor, Zeus for example. Plus Thor's magic are mostly for physical enhancement, he's not a spellcaster.
Thor He has never faced anyone with magic as powerful as Thor's, to my knowledge. To debunk some of your statements, Darkseid no magic, and he still loses to him, Green Lantern no magic, Imperiex no magic, grant it, I don't know much about this character, and current Superman has never faced Anti-Monitor, but Anti-Monitor has no Magic either. Also to give you perspective on how powerful Thor's magic can be, taking a feat from @SirSpidey with this one, he has damaged Galactus before, who is easily galaxy level+. He has also knocked out the Hulk, who has comparable durability to Superman. Oh and thank you, I'm enjoying this too.
Thor Ok I give you that but I don't know cause I don't read that many comics but doesn't Groton posses some sort of magic i mean he is a demon and what about shazam magic isn't that as powerful as Thor i know Thor wears his belt of magic but still superman can resist his magic some and I'll ask you this time king Thor or superman prime 1000000 and I don't know if you can but let me know what matches you vote on so I can debate you some more haha haha lol😁😆😆
Thor But still superman has face foes with magic of cosmic power he's faced darkseid shazam green lantern monthly imperiex antimonitor etc Thor magic is powerful i give you that but superman has some resistance to magic and keep coming i like debating with you my friend but tell me just how powerful th ors magic will be against superman please do
Thor Image than what do you mean death battle is not a reliable source and also I done research i was just doing a reference superman is stronger faster more durable and is way more power ful cause actually I like Thor better than superman it's just superman is more powe rful so if you want a debate I'll give you a debate also Thor is ma ybe 30% less popular than superman so tell how does Thor win superman strength is powerful enough to shatter planets punch through space and time so he should be able to wield the hammer or stormbreaker still this isn't about who is more popular it's about who is more powerful so I done research and superman has what it takes to take on Thor the god of thunder so debate if you wantonly just keep coming back at y'all there you go imabatman42
Thor I mean that, at the time, Wonder Woman was more popular because of her movie, so to not disappoint their many subscribers, they highballed Wonder Woman to make her win. Strength, speed, power, doesn't matter either way, Superman is weak to magic, Thor uses magic, very powerful magic, at that.
Thor On people listen this match is putting a God of lightning against an nearly immortal powerful alien superman wins because superman brute strength dims those by a lot i mean Thor couldn't even beat wonder woman on death battle so how in the world is he suppose to beat superman a guy who can beat darkened single handed Thor can't even stand up against thano s so that's my opinion but Thor possibly could do a little bit of damage with his magic but still Superman>Silver surfer>wonder woman>thor>Martian manhunt it's simple so all those people do your research because I have its time for a good battle 😁
Thor Death Battle is not a reliable source of information, considering they lowball the character that is less popular and highball the one that is popular. Silver Surfer = Thor > Martian Manhunter > Wonder Woman = Superman, there is only a slight difference in power between all of them, being that they are all about mid/high herald tier.
Thor How is the Silver Surfer the equal to Thor? The closest thing Silver Surfer got to beating Thor was a stalemate. Thor on the other hand has beaten the Silver Surfer two or three times in the past
Thor Thor has the Odin Force in his rune king form...he's omnipresent, destruction level is multi-universe scale and has rune magic (reality warping, dimension and energy manipulation etc) among many others ...the only one above him in RK form is the living tribunal....and as for any version of Superman, take away the yellow sun and power slowly starts fading away.... and if kept away from the sun for a considerable amount of time, he becomes like a normal kryptonian on krypton.....plus oh yeah, Kryptonite =P
Thor I wanted you to go more in depth about why you have Superman because he's fast and saying Thor is "slow", I wanted to hear your reasoning and I'm not saying you're wrong it's opinionated, I'm just curious.
Superman Superman has taken beating from magic users and still ends up beating the snot out of them, he's beaten people who've used kryptonite and red sun radiation which are bigger weaknesses than magic. The MCU has given Thor a lot of momentum recently so I get the hype and he's a great character, but if you think Thor's magic gives him advantage then you're dead wrong I'm sorry. I also saw someone say Thor has faster reflexes, I thought that was hilarious, he tagged quicksilver, so what? Superman has tagged the flash on multiple occasions and flash is significally faster than quicksilver.
Thor what you superman voters are forgettin is thate superman is weak to magic wich thor can use therfor thor has the combat skill and one of supermans weaknesses
Superman Thor allowed him to lift the hammer but certainly Odin considers Superman worthy to use the hammer as has been seen in other circumstances anyhow. Superman only just barely beat Thor. It was a close fight and both admitted it could have gone either way. I see this as a VERY VERY close battle but imo Supes takes it
Superman They already fought, and the outcome is obvious. Superman tossed the goddess of thundering farts off his high horse and served him some humble pie.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Where's your evidence for that? And don't even think about using that non-canon s**t as evidence! It may be canon in the DC verse, but it sure as hell isn't in the Marvel verse.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Okay, Thor: Lifted the Midgard Serpent. Tagged Quicksilver. KO'd the Phoenix Force. Shattered planets. Survived a planet busting bomb. Endured 17 days of torture. Destroyed a helicopter while depowered. Defeated Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, & Hulk. Escaped a Black Hole. And btw, it's "says THERE are". Are you gonna explode or what?
Superman I've noticed that most of the comments are supporting Thor, and not a lot are supporting Superman and this leads me to believe the fact the people that voted Superman are fanboys with 1-3 people with knowledge and proof that Superman would win.
Superman@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Tbh I have tons of respect for you and @Durge1 for defending your choice in this fight, but still @DarkProdigy has a point, there are few comic fans that know what they're talking about like you sticking up for Superman and lots for Thor
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Lol, you call referencing a non-canon comic book over and over again "defending Superman"? PATHETIC. If you would actually have a debate with me, maybe we could settle some things. Instead of saying the same thing over and over again
Superman I'm surprised so many people voted for thor, I thought it'd be obvious, superman is a decent bit stronger, a decent bit more durable, has many different abilities, and is... better at flying? Idk, thor often needs his hammer to fly, superman can fly on his own. I'm talking about at their normal strength levels by the way.
Thor Thor is a better fighter and his hammer is much stronger than superman punch can ever be. Thor's lightning is also much stronger than Superman's laser beams. Plus, Thor has taken hits from people much stronger than him, he can take a beating!
Thor I always assume that Thor and Superman are about physical equals, but the reason Thor would win is because he can use magic, and has more power output.
Thor@jongensoden Thor has god-like stamina! He fought an army of Frost Giants for 9 months without tiring, and an army of undead for 40 days and 40 nights straight, spent 9 months without ever sleeping after losing Mjolnir, and gave Malekith a beating after his liver got transmuted into a mangle of broken glass. It's far superior to any ordinary Asgardian, who can live for 5 minutes after losing their hearts.
Superman I am sorry, but this battle has already been done. Clark beat the cocky, overrated goddess of thundering farts. Not to mention he also lifted the hammer, and used its power.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Don't even use that non-canon s**t as evidence! It may be canon in the DC verse, but it sure as hell isn't in the Marvel verse.
Superman Superman wins this. Superman is far stronger than thor, faster by light years and infinitely smarter. And for the record, marvel has stated that asgardians are an advanced race of being that have mastered both magic and science and have been able to combine the two. But are worshipped as gods. So they are no more godlike than superman who came from a world that was scientifically advanced. Superman would realize the threat the hammer poses and he would easily avoid its attacks. Unlike thor he is capable of faster than light combat speeds that would leave thor unable to touch him. Combine that with strength far greater than Thors, heat vision, and freeze breath and he wins, but not easily. Also thor's hammer is imbued with magic which allows it to summon attacks like lightning, portals.....etc. The hammer itself isn't magical, therefore the lightning it summons is just that, lightning. Which doesn't hurt superman. And for the record, everyone is susceptible to magic, unless they are magic resistant, lol. Super man is fast enough to track objects travelling at light speed, such as Mjolnir. which would give him the ability to dodge or catch it. The hulk has defeated thor despite thor wielding the hammer, and the hulk is just brute strength. Superman is far stronger than the hulk, smarter, faster and more versatile, I just don't see thor winning.
Superman Quitting Superherodatabase not logging back on ever again I think this base is just boring to me but it's just my opnion so see you guys whoever knew me.
Thor Darkseid is a new God, he is a legitimate God dude, more powerful than an old god such as Zeus or Thor, but Superman CAN NOT normally beat Darkseid alone with any enhancements or sun dips, etc.
Thor@TheSuspect666 and @TheNemianLion: Well clearly ya'll don't know the origin of Darkseid. The comics depict Darkseid as being a Mud-Grubber, or in other words, a freaking farmer. He was a mere alien from an unknown planet who stole the powers of some supposed gods and then became kinda powerful. He does not have a heritage as a true god like Thor does. So stop saying Darkseid is a god. He may be a New God, but that is not a god. New Gods are just a race of aliens
Thor My god, the both of you. Unlike what I see from both of you, I know both sides like the back of my hand. And I can say, Superman, isn't nearly as powerful as people claim to believe. And Thor, he's sometimes underestimated. First: Darkseid is a 5th-dimensional god, who Superman would never be able to fight his true form (All he fights is Darkseid's avatars) Second: Thor is a god, and Superman isn't. That doesn't mean much though, as Superman has fought and beaten gods before. Third: Superman is only slightly physically stronger, but Thor is much more powerful and has far more experience when it comes to fighting. (did you say Thor is stupid? He's extremely intelligent, he may as well be a genius for humans, he's had thousands of years to learn) Fourth: Speed, Slowdinson isn't a thing. Thor is AT LEAST the speed of light, he tends not to use this speed unless he needs it. Fifth: @CaptainAmericaTakesAll If you can actually come up with a good argument, and not be a hypocrite than I can discuss this with you. Sixth: @SirSpidey I understand that you like Thor, but to me, you've proven to me you don't know very much about DC (And you don't seem to know too much about Thor either) Final: Thor's combination of magic, strength, power, and skill would outmatch Superman (Unless it's on Earth, cause Thor ALWAYS holds back on Earth, in fact, Thor almost killed Hulk with one blow when he forgot to hold back)
Thor Edit: @SirSpidey Ahh, I was wrong about you not knowing about Thor, but I was right about DC. (Why can't they add an edit button to the comments?)
Superman Remove Superman limits. Also, that video used Man of Steel superman? If we're talking about late superman b4 prime, and the latest thor. My money is on Superman. Thor lost to Red Hulk and was burned badly even at his prime. Summoned a devastating bolt of lighting and even crashed at the speed of lightning into red hulk and barely bruised him. Also, without his hammer, he becomes very weak. Screw that film, the Hammer is still a weapon and a key to dimensions. The red hulk, hulk, vision, shazam, Loki, Angela, Sentry and even Ghostrider either took the hammer or used it against him. There was even Avengers vs Justice League and Superman won against Thor.
Superman I am calling @TheOverlord,@Klappy, @SirSpidey, and @batsheet to read this. Guys, really, look around you. Why would you start calling each other names, just because someone doesn't agree with you over who would win in a battle composed of characters that will never make it past a comic book page or a movie, really? C'mon guys, lets have a friendly conversation about this, instead of being a bunch of jerks about it.
Superman Calm down there is no really any reason you guys need to start some dumb arguement just try to ignore kids sometimes so you don't have to get so frustrated about it and yeah I told him to shut up that was a mistake I should have ignored that but really if something is making you really mad just try to relax.
Superman That has been my argument the whole time. I dont know about the rest of you, but i did actually read and listen to what SirSpidey said, and while i still think Superman would win...probably. I now respect Thor a lot more then before, and the battle isn't as one sided in my mind as it was before. But when one stoops to insults and downplaying others for their own gain, that is too far. We all make mistakes, and slip up sometimes, but if we cant forgive and forget then we are no better then those who we seek to have a civil debate with. I think most of us have said something that we probably wish we hadn't, but its when we continue to act in such an disrespectful manner that one honestly looses credibility.
Superman ok so everyone i will explain all of this ok........first, texts can mean different things and depends on how you read it. second I'm not mad nor am i picking on others because i think superman will win .....i do respect thor i do indeed, but my opinion is fact . third in all fairness a little name calling isn't bad, its fun..... grow some, its not that bad..... but yeah we all have superheros in common and wish they were real and mean so much to us. that's why i say what i say....... i could cuss but i don't because that's wrong but i read some of sirspideys comments and it just triggered me because he had huge paragraphs saying false things about my third beloved superhero. this is fact and of course you can disagree (opinion) omg but superman is SHOWN to be stronger. FASTER THAN THOR maybe not his HAMMER, thor has experience but whats experience to Intelligence.
Superman@Bbq444 ...................im calling him out because he thinks he knows all..... i don't know all but i do know somethings like superman will beat thor.
Superman@sirspidey IM NOT DONE lets talk about the character and what they stand for.......thor yes he is good and will save the day but he is arrogant and thinks he is better than most. superman, truth and justice. let's talk about the background. thor so called God from asgard (prince). Superman home planet destroyed, earth dad died protects a planet with people who criticize him.. with all that power he can chose to be bad but doesn't he lives among the people as one of them to fit in to be apart of them. I like thor but with this fight thor sucks... REALIZE that superman means much more... bro died and came back to life, bro has his own theme song, bro is somewhat limitless. what does thor have..... you like thor right? remember avengers.... yeah your homie got stabbed with a knife. hey did you see ragnarok, yeah the GOD OF THUNDER got smacked with a little lighting. all in all superman is better inside and out and even tho thats movies not comics the truth still stands....... superman has way stronger enemies and Sir SPIDEY Wonder woman can beat thor you goofy!!!!! the real god of thunder is zeus WW papa!!!
Thor Yet again on SirSpidey's behalf until he arrives I will speak. Yeah they have different backgrounds and yes Superman was supposed to be the story of an immigrant trying to fit in. And Thor is the story of a god learning humility and learning that he isn't better then everyone else just because he is a god. Superman died and came back to life, but so did Thor so that means nothing. Thor's people are doomed to repeat a cycle of destruction and rebirth, so actually krypton was only destroyed once Asgard has been destroyed countless times so that's another point for Thor. They both choose to use their power for good so that also means nothing. Theme song also means nothing, that's mostly a DC thing. Both of them are somewhat limitless so that also means nothing. Thor has a one of the most powerful weapons in comic history, a godly warriors lineage, powerful magical attacks, and the knowledge of battle to easily defeat someone like Wonder Woman. SO nothing you have said proves anything, most of it is so irrelevant it doesn't even deserve to be commented on. Thor still wins you incompetent fool.
Thor I'm not usually one for name calling but the way this person talks just infuriates me. Especially since he clearly came here looking to pick a fight but failed to make any logical sense in his argument nor contribute to this debate in any way. So sorry for the name calling but seriously, the guy makes no sense.
Superman ok I agree I was just saying superman means more in my opinion. that paragraph was meant to mean nothing just a funny thing to say my bad you took it the wrong way.... " incompetent fool." is that all that's in your vocabulary you need to read more comics because the more you know will show and what i see is a little kid typing thor would win because he saw the avengers....
Thor Actually time can vary depending on a plethora of factors and also whichever theory of time you choose to believe in. Some theories state that time is like a river and it would be very hard to go back and fight the current if not impossible. Other theories state that time cannot be traveled back in, regardless of how many times the speed of light you go and yet still other theories state that one would simply have to travel faster then light to go back in time. It is therefore entirely possible that the DC universe and Marvel universe comply to different theories of time and therefore one cannot speculate that speed and time are related in both universes. As to Thor's speed I never stated Thor can move that fast(Unless of course he is holding the hammer when thrown and it drags him across the universe) but this isn't a race, it's a fight. And Thor can swing the hammer fast enough to tag both quicksilver and defeat the Silver Surfer, who is one of the fastest beings in comics. And finally strength. I'll be honest I don't read DC that often(I have read some Batman and some of the newer stuff they have because I honestly kind of enjoy the new 52) so I can't really argue that point of Superman's strength.
Thor (Seems I commented on the wrong comment that was meant for the lower one my screen is lagging from the amount of responses on this page.) Now as to my insults I would like to apologize for that but still my vocabulary is quite large, however I try my hardest not to insult so forgive me if my insults are not par the course for the internet. And now my comic love. I have been reading the comics for longer then you have been alive, and I loved the Xmen and the Avengers far before Marvel started their cinematic universe. Thor is actually among my least favorite avengers to date, I personally Prefer Iron Man or Hulk. I have read hundreds of comics, so no I am quite well versed on the marvel side of things. Are you?
Superman@sirspidey if you still can't see that superman can beat thor then lets take it up a notch shall we.....Cosmic armour superman vs rune king thor.............Cosmic armour superman will kill rune king thor no doubt about that (PLOT DEVICE)
Superman@sirspidey im calling you out! Thor vs superman you said "Don't debate me unless you are prepared to reference comics as evidence for the things you say. My knowledge is mostly revolved around Thor and Captain America since they are the most interesting Superheros...." "reference comics as evidence" JLa vs avengers crossover..... Superman wins. DON"T YOU DARE SAY CROSSOVERS DON'T COUNT. THEY INDEED DO! IF BOTH SIDES CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS FACT EVEN IF WRITERS STRETCH SOMETHING IF IT IS PUBLISHED IT WILL INDEED BE CONSIDERED FACT!!!!! YOU ALSO SAID "Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely" IF YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT tell me what the time barrier is .....DON'T KNOW? well is 10 times the speed of light and super has done that and gone faster than that.... you are so bias about thor you cant see fact!!!!!!!!!!
Thor On SirSpideys behalf for the moment I will say this you incompetent and insufferable fool. I don't often agree with SirSpidey when it comes to Thor's powers, I think he trumps him up a lot and vastly overestimates him, but he isn't wrong in this fight. Yeah, the JLa vs Avengers comics aren't cannon, they were decided by fans and have the same meaning in a real fight as someones fan fiction battle. Believe it or not everything written in comics is not fact, if a company declares a comic not cannon that's it it no longer matters to the main characters storyline. So no, Thor has never actually lost to Superman because they have never fought in a cannon comic series, get over it. Secondly the time barrier in DC may be ten times the speed of light as you say but in marvel it may be different. The fact is time isn't related to speed, so to transcend time means that speed becomes irrelevent which is why Thor can throw his hammer across the entire universe in minutes, which by the way is HUNDREDS OF TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
Superman ok @theoverlord I agree about it not being cannon. I don't agree that the time barrier is different You are the incompetent and insufferable fool because time barrier is the same every where no matter what. all you said was thors HAMMER not thor his hammer can do that not him self. like I said superman can lift INFINTIY and Eternity has thor ever done that nooooooo. so that means superman is stronger and look this up "fastest superheros ever" will you see thor ....noooo will you see superman yes....
Superman sir spidey is ignorant because he said "Superman can only lift 2.6 octillion tons. Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman" that it self proves he indeed knows nothing........."Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman" Thor does not have infinite strength...........Superman Already beat thor just read the comic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thor cant fly without the hammer. thor is not FASTER THAN SUPERMAN SUPERMAN IS MEANT TO BE THE BEST, OVERPOWERED, IN A WAY A GOD. of course others can beat him im not saying that its just in this scenario superman will WINNNNNNN EVERYONE WATCH VARIANT COMICS ON WHY SUPERMAN IS THE MOST POWERFUL HERO!!!!!!!!
Thor Wow, a matchup between the god of thunder and a godlike alien! A lot of my real life friends would consider Thor to be the winner, and they have reasons that I agree with like the fact that Thor has Mjolnir which is one of the most powerful weapons in comics. Both characters are some of the strongest, in my opinion, Superman is stronger though, if he wanted to he could just punch the whole planet in 2, Thor still has Mjolnir which only Thor or many other Asgardians can lift, Superman, can't lift Mjolnir and Thor can, So that makes Superman have a lower chance of winning. Eventually, you have to come to come to a conclusion, I think Superman could win mainly because Thor doesn't use magic or have any kryptonite!
Superman Everyone is dumb.......Thor can't beat superman i don't care what anyone says. superman can lift infinity and eternity. The marvel fan boys always say JL or superman is "OVERPOWERED" which makes no sense because they then say avengers would win. If someone is overpowered THEY ARE OVERPOWERED. They also say thors a god well that doesn't mean he's the god like ToAA. Gods have been known to get killed like ares killed all the gods. and who beat ares......WONDER WOMAN....and who can beat wonder woman.........Superman. one last thing hercules is factually the physically strongest marvel character...and wonder woman has roughed him up before soooo my point exactly on superman is stronger he also is faster (fact), and smarter.......besides SUPERMAN HAS BEATEN THOR BEFORE IN A CROSSOVER AND BEATEN HULK. SUPS has wielded thors hammer and has had caps shield at the same time!!!
Superman Power: Superman Endurance: Superman Speed: Superman Durability: Superman Strength: Superman Combat: Thor Thor only has one category, sorry but it's true. And I expect @SirSpidey to intervene.
Thor@Martin: Thor can lift the weight of the entire Universe. Superman can only lift 2.6 octillion tons. Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: How is Superman more powerful? How does Superman have more endurance? How does Superman have more speed? How does Superman have more durability? How does Superman have more strength?
Thor Regular Thor can't destroy Galaxies, but Warriors Madness Thor can easily destroy Galaxies. I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact. Why are you denying the facts? I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact. Why are you denying the facts? I have already proved that Thor beating Superman is fact. Why are you denying the facts? It all come down to one word.....fanboyism
Superman You have not proven any of the so called "facts". If you have proven them, stop being a lazy bum and type the the comic book in which he does these "facts". You have not proven Thor can beat Superman, you just keep saying that you do, and praise Thor. A very poor debating strategy if you ask me, and if my favorite superhero is Captain America, how can I be a fanboy. If anyone is a fanboy here, it is by all means you, @SirSpidey.
Thor Cap here are some scans of Thor fighting inside the heart of a star, so SirSpidey is correct about Thor easily surviving being thrown into a sun. Supes would have to find some other way to beat Thor. Also Just to add my comment but Supes could never throw Thor into the Sun anyways, Thor can fly in space so if supes threw him he'd come straight back anyways. Anyhow, here are some scans. https://i.imgur.com/JeqH4bq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HTcFYEV.jpg
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Since your simple mind cannot just scroll down in the comments section: - What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact" > Evidence: Thor Volume 1 #494 - What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact" > Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: I have already proven that Thor can beat Superman. Let me just type it all out again for your simple mind: - First off, Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver (Quicksilver can run at light speed) and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that. Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds. Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes). Thor has microsecond reaction time. Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hear cries from the other side of the planet. So, Im pretty sure Thor could keep up with Superman very easily. Also the Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon. Plus the winners of the battles in those comics were dictated by who had more votes
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: For intelligence, Superman did not come from Krypton. All of his knowledge came from Earth. Just because you are a certain race does not mean you are smarter than other races, if that is what you are trying to imply. If anything, Thor is smarter because he is thousands upon thousands of years old. If you cant agree with that, let me ask you this. Would a 30 year old man be smarter than a several thousand plus year old man? Of course not, that just doesn't make any sense. For strength, Superman and Shazam, as seen in the comic, were not able to even budge the Book of Infinite pages. It was Ultraman who lifted it and Superman is no Ultraman. Thor is physically the strongest of the Asgardian gods and his strength has been called unlimited. Thor pushed the weight of Yggdrasil and all 10 worlds which is estimated to weigh close to 104.5 octillion tons. Thor pulled off the Midgard Serpent from the Earth which was coiled around Earth at least twice around. That would weigh 100 sextillion tons. The force of his punches shatter entire worlds. He physically held together the fissures of a badly damaged moon. He has effortlessly snapped adamantium alloy cables by simply flexing. His punch when met with the same amount of force has closed dimensional rifts. Wonder Man conceded Thor as his superior in strength. He has also resisted the gravity of a neutron star. He was able to break Silver Surfer's force field with a single blow. He has also stalemated Hercules and the Hulk in various contests of strength and nearly rendered the Juggernaut unconscious after negating his mystical defenses. He has also sent the Hulk-like Bodolf the Black right through the entire Earth with a single punch. Thor has greater feats of strength compared to Superman. For speed, Thor is much faster, he can be anywhere in seconds. That is greater of an accomplishment than Superman could ever dream of doing
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: For durability, There are many characters who have defeated Superman in a physical fight like Wonder Woman for instance. Thor has tanked being blasted by Celestials, some of the most powerful beings in all of comics, three times in a row and got back up to continue the fight easily. Thor is invulnerable to powerful energy blasts, weighted impacts, falls from great heights, explosions and various other opposing forces. Even without his godly power Thor is still physically the strongest and most durable of all the Asgardians. Being a god whose heritage is both half-Asgardian and half-Elder God affords Thor virtual invulnerability and immunity to any such human ailments as diseases, toxins, poisons, corrosives, fire, viruses, electrocution, and asphyxiation. He has an immunity to heat, subzero temperatures, lead, and radiation poisoning. Thor has flown through the heart of stars. He withstood the weight of a score of planets. Thor was able to survive direct multiple blasts from the Asgardian Destroyer. Thor once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of ravaging an entire planet and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria. He has withstood several blasts from Odin. Thor is truly extremely difficult to kill as his life force is stated to be augmented by his godlike heritage and Mjolnir. Also, with Thor using his other powers, he can regenerate missing limbs or organs. That is much more than what Superman has been proven to be capable of. Thor has fought and defeated Surtur, a being who trumps Doomsday in power and strength as if it were an ant, metaphorically and literally
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Oh yea. I almost forgot. Thor is capable of creating powerful barriers, force fields, and vortexes that are impenetrable. Not even Earth's most advanced weapons could weaken Thor's barrier field that shielded the U.N. headquarters. Thor stated that he could have contained a cosmic flash attack from Stellaris, this blast was strong enough to destroy the planet Earth. These vortexes and barriers are so immensely durable that Thor was able to completely contain the explosion generated by a life bomb, which is so powerful it would have completely destroyed a fifth of the Marvel Universe, without the vortex even faltering, meaning that Thor literally contained a blast that is capable of annihilating millions upon millions of galaxies. Superman would never get through something like that. Thor is vastly beyond what Superman could ever be in terms of durability
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Ooooo, wow. Superman took out a bunch of clones and destroyed a planet? Very impressive. LOL, Thor clearly is more powerful than Superman by a far margin if those are the best feats Superman has. Thor has energy manipulation powers that are on par with the Silver Surfer. He is armed with Mjolnir, the mystical warhammer that has been shown to be capable of opening passageways through space and time, blocking all sorts of energy blasts, and bending the elements to its master's will. He has complete mastery over the weather, he can open chasms in the Earth, and if worst comes to worst, use the dreaded Godblast, an attack that is so powerful that one time Mjolnir shattered from the amount of power Thor channeled into it. This Godblast has even caused a crack in the armor of the Celestial Exitar, the force of which created a shock wave which rocked the planet Pangoria to its foundations. Thor's immortal life-force is more powerful than the mystical properties of Mjolnir. Thor can use his breath to create hurricane force winds. He has the ability to control the Earth. He is able to create continental-spanning chasms and earthquakes, that are off the Richter Scale, in the Earth itself. He can control landslides and avalanches. When he was trapped in the Tesseract (a pocket universe prison) from the Collector, Thor determined the boundaries of the Tesseract and escaped. His natural powers surpass most Asgardian gods
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: He can easily go toe to toe with Zeus's own extreme powers. During Ragnarok, Thor had seen his family and friends fall to Loki's army and he reached down into himself for strength he never realized before and projected an energy blast so powerful that he knocked out Durok the Demolisher, who was so powerful that Thor, even with Mjolnir, was barely able to hold his own against. He can always project omni-directional blasts. He is capable of discharging lightning bolts from his hands. He also summoned a lightning bolt from the sky without Mjolnir to strike Hogun to revive him from near death. He summoned a lightning bolt to strike Hercules (which brutally injured him) to break his grip on him. He once mended together a badly damaged moon with his lightning
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can erase the memories of Superman's with the wave of his hand. Additional enchantments placed upon it by Odin made it virtually indestructible. It has survived heat as extreme as the heart of suns and blasts powerful enough to destroy planets. Almost nothing is capable of withstanding a blow from Mjolnir, not even the armor of the powerful Celestials. Mjolnir has countless of mystical attributes and powers such as manipulation of the fundamental forces of the universes, including the electromagnetic spectrum and gravity. The enchantment is so powerful that even with the hammer cut in half, it's still in effect. Mjolnir can pass through nearly any barrier to reach Thor should he so choose. Mjolnir will even carve its way through the very center of entire planets to get back to its master. Wielding Mjolnir grants its master the ability to control rain, wind, thunder, lightning and more (although Thor can control them by himself, it seems that Mjolnir boosts his ability of controlling the base elements of a storm)
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. It can also create any of these phenomena individually. Mjolnirs user can create storms on a planetary wide scale or larger if needed, and is not limited to the normal limits of Mother Nature and can go beyond and defy what natural weather can do such as creating rain in space where there is no atmosphere. The ability of Thor to control and create storms extends to any and all storms as he has been shown to control and create raging temporal storms in time, create Solar Flares, powerful stellar winds in space, and so on. His godly energy is so vast and powerful, that even when reinforced with the Belt of Strength, which should double Mjolnir's fortification and durability, that when Thor channeled his godly energies into Mjolnir to destroy the Brain Dome of the mighty Celestial Exitar, the hammer shattered from the amount of power Thor channeled. The Godblast is so immensely powerful and destructive that it has proven capable of destroying beings as large and as powerful as Galactus, who was forced to flee for his life.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can send the Godblast to the core of Ego the Living Planet and Alter Ego and render both comatose. He has also used the Godblast to defeat immortals such as Surtur, Ymir, Juggernaut, and Zelia. Thor is capable of producing an indescribably powerful blast known as the Anti-Force Blast which is capable of annihilating entire planets. This blast is so powerful that with just a single emission, Thor was capable of putting down and killing the powerful entity Mangog himself. Thor has the ability to produce a universe shaking Thermo Blast capable of decimating even entire planets and beings as durable as Ego the Living Planet. Thor is able to use Mjolnir to absorb any energy blasts directed towards him as means of attack. Once the energy is absorbed, Thor can redirect it back amplified many times over towards the source and/or use it as a weapon of his own. Thor has used Mjolnir to reflect the vast and hazardous amounts of energy being emitted by the biological weapon implanted within the Wasp's body by the Skrulls back at her while all of Earth's other superheros were helpless. Thor used Mjolnir to absorb Ultron's entire energy source, the Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic, Sky-Walker's Cosmic Tempest, radio active energy, magnetism, such as Magneto's personal magnetic field, and a portion of Pangoria's planetary magnetic field.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Mjolnir's ability to absorb energy is so powerful he managed to absorb, contain and redirect the entire energy of the Null Bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy the entire galaxy, and absorb mystical energies such as Pluto's mystic flame. He was even able to absorb a portion of the mystical energies from every god pantheon and absorbed the electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship. Thor can channel energies for the purpose of Wormholes through means of a vortex and in this vortex time has no meaning, which means he and others can pass through it to their destinations instantaneously. Thor has used Mjolnir to rip the fabric of the universe to send Surtur and Ymir to the Death Dimension. He has sent an entire population to Limbo and Thor can also use Mjolnir to travel through portals anywhere within the same dimension. By spinning Mjolnir in a precise manner at cyclotronic speeds, Thor can manipulate matter from a molecular level to a vast scale, which allows him to create other configurations and even allows him to transmute the elements themselves. This ability was evident when he transmuted the Absorbing Man's wood and iron body to the gas helium. While channeling his power through Mjolnir, Thor was able to resurrect a man he had wrongly killed. Thor's hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and can use it to atomize any weaponry. He has the power to negate any form of mystical energy. He used this ability on the Juggernaut himself to negate the mystical energies that grant him his mystical invulnerability, allowing him to defeat Juggernaut in combat.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: He was also able to stop Mephisto from taking human souls to the Dark Dimension. Thor can use Mjolnir to tap into the power of the Nether Worlds (dark dimensions). Mjolnir allows Thor to produce and control Cosmic Energy to an unknown limit for a variety of purposes. Thor was able to absorb and manipulate the electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mothership. Thor can turn himself or others completely intangible and/or invisible. An offshoot of this ability is that Thor can use Mjolnir to completely disrupt the phasing abilities of super humans such as the Vision, Shadowcat, and etc. Thor's hammer has the ability to manipulate souls. Thor can absorb the Life-Force of someone. Thor used this ability on the super villain the Presence, who was forced to surrender to prevent himself from being reduced to a lifeless husk. Mjolnir can distinguish images, holograms, and different illusions from reality. This is evident whenever Thor commanded his hammer to strike the demon lord Mephisto, who was hiding among false images of himself. Even without activating the powers of Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, enchanted by Odin, is impervious to all forms of change, as he himself claimed that no power in the universe but the All-Father's could affect Mjolnir. Shown when Amora's magical efforts during her first confrontation with Thor to change Mjolnir into a deadly serpent availed her naught. In spite of Immortus taking away Mjolnirs time travel abilities, Mjolnir is still capable of manipulating time to some extent. So, unless Superman has better feats than these, Thor obviously is the more powerful of the two by a faaaaaaaaar margin
Thor Ok, so I'm gonna list a few ways this battle could play out. If it's base to base then Thor wins with relative ease thanks to magic. If Superman makes it to the sun there's really nothing Thor can do. If it's bloodlusted then I think Thor would win, again thanks to magic.
Thor Wha you said except when Superman makes it to the sun Thor has held a casual conversation in the center of the sun so he would just follow him to the sun and use his god blast.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but bor him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Let's start with his travel speed. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. hor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
To those of you that chose Thor over the Surfer here but voted Superman in this battle, answer me this: How's it Thor can beat the Surfer but not Superman?
Now, let's take a look at his reactions. Right here, Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him[/url and [url=https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53803/1175232-quick_thor.jpg]Beat Quicksilver's ass, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
This has gotta stop! Quit w*nking Superman's speed and downplaying Thor's.
And silver age Superman wouldn't beat rkt
Rune King Thor hung himself,defied death, and regained the Odin Force, erased Mangog form existence with Rune Magic, broke the dimesnional barrier to Valhalla with a blast, and even erased Yggdrasil out of existence and made it into a multiverse.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Beyonders>living tribunal>cas>any other version of Superman
CAS still the winner.
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
read comicvine fot more facts.
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
And flash is way faster than Superman it ain't even a contest
https://m.imgur.com/p3sWez4
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
So no Thor is just as fast as supes
Most users agree he is teleporting.
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
@Tyrannus thanks!
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
I agree, I don't read comics too much either so I don't really have the right to criticize you for it.
Also what the heck was in those links? They asked me for my email etc.
"but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over."
I agree with you on that point, good bye for now.
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
https://m.imgur.com/Yte4HSw
https://m.imgur.com/QsCAqWV
https://m.imgur.com/1Mn0Hzt
https://m.imgur.com/8gIu3Oe
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-76c2b7d0e13682d93f8380d0aa49ee31
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_SVHdMfklqqsadWvXwGxOZ21oZWFPOs4jnDXggl58kXKe79Oacp6GVlKtUL2MKfQ3scGnrEU7at319V-m3Mpzg-r_C10ufWTRIqo7nHZtz-WUc-2SRiB3ypKazZ8drlsREuB8rzJ=s320
I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Can you provide a scan please?
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
This is fun, hope you can return it :)
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Superman fans: *gets angry* Bot, booot, bbboootttsss!
pc superman,mid diffs
n52,high diffs
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
No, it doesn't mean it's an automatic win for Superman but it also shows that Superman doesn't automatically lose bc of magic like many claim.
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
2: how is Thor's strength limitless?
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
I am listening. Carry on
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Yes but then you said "his only advantage is the godblast"
"Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts."
Didn't I just debunk that?
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Uh, okay :D
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Wow what an absurd thing to believe
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Aka, not in this battle.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
THOR GIVE FIGHT BACK BUT SUPERMAN BEAT HIM AND LEFT THE HAMMER
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
He is much faster than Wolvie
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
B: he wasn't expecting it.
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
1 the crossovers are not canon
2 this is not thor mcu
Over all sups wins.
(Medium fight)
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Intelligence - Thor (way older)
Speed - Superman all the way
Strength - I don't know really
Durability- Thor (survived a beating from three celestial)
Power -Thor
Combat- Thor
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
New 52 - Thor
Post-Crisis - Thor
Pre-Crisis - Superman
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Without Mjolnir - Superman barely wins
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Chances of Winning
Superman 54%
Thor 46%
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
Part 1
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
He shattered Space and Time with a single blow againstc Kal-L
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2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
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Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too.
Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman.
Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts.
Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter.
Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic.
I'll go with the Supe
So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit
Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite
Casually carries a submarine
Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened
Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman
Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth
Lifts a ship
Hits Wraith with a large ship
Thor - 30
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Thor Wins
And on second thought please don't call me @Mop
I thought @Mop would sound cooler but then I realized it was a cleaning utensil 😂
The Godblast has harmed galactus
(Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner
Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God...
Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
With that being said
@Infinitedestruction do you want to join the varosverse
Remember your with the cool kids 😎
Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level)
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Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg.
Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons
Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons
Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth.
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No hard fellings
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He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up
Physical damage at all.
How old are you ?
Thor is too much muscles that slow him in a fight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy
Lifted the Midgard Serpent.
Tagged Quicksilver.
KO'd the Phoenix Force.
Shattered planets.
Survived a planet busting bomb.
Endured 17 days of torture.
Destroyed a helicopter while depowered.
Defeated Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, & Hulk.
Escaped a Black Hole.
And btw, it's "says THERE are". Are you gonna explode or what?
First: Darkseid is a 5th-dimensional god, who Superman would never be able to fight his true form (All he fights is Darkseid's avatars)
Second: Thor is a god, and Superman isn't. That doesn't mean much though, as Superman has fought and beaten gods before.
Third: Superman is only slightly physically stronger, but Thor is much more powerful and has far more experience when it comes to fighting. (did you say Thor is stupid? He's extremely intelligent, he may as well be a genius for humans, he's had thousands of years to learn)
Fourth: Speed, Slowdinson isn't a thing. Thor is AT LEAST the speed of light, he tends not to use this speed unless he needs it.
Fifth: @CaptainAmericaTakesAll If you can actually come up with a good argument, and not be a hypocrite than I can discuss this with you.
Sixth: @SirSpidey I understand that you like Thor, but to me, you've proven to me you don't know very much about DC (And you don't seem to know too much about Thor either)
Final: Thor's combination of magic, strength, power, and skill would outmatch Superman (Unless it's on Earth, cause Thor ALWAYS holds back on Earth, in fact, Thor almost killed Hulk with one blow when he forgot to hold back)
Thor lost to Red Hulk and was burned badly even at his prime. Summoned a devastating bolt of lighting and even crashed at the speed of lightning into red hulk and barely bruised him. Also, without his hammer, he becomes very weak. Screw that film, the Hammer is still a weapon and a key to dimensions. The red hulk, hulk, vision, shazam, Loki, Angela, Sentry and even Ghostrider either took the hammer or used it against him.
There was even Avengers vs Justice League and Superman won against Thor.
But when one stoops to insults and downplaying others for their own gain, that is too far. We all make mistakes, and slip up sometimes, but if we cant forgive and forget then we are no better then those who we seek to have a civil debate with.
I think most of us have said something that we probably wish we hadn't, but its when we continue to act in such an disrespectful manner that one honestly looses credibility.
Thor vs superman
you said "Don't debate me unless you are prepared to reference comics as evidence for the things you say. My knowledge is mostly revolved around Thor and Captain America since they are the most interesting Superheros...." "reference comics as evidence" JLa vs avengers crossover..... Superman wins. DON"T YOU DARE SAY CROSSOVERS DON'T COUNT. THEY INDEED DO! IF BOTH SIDES CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS FACT EVEN IF WRITERS STRETCH SOMETHING IF IT IS PUBLISHED IT WILL INDEED BE CONSIDERED FACT!!!!! YOU ALSO SAID "Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely" IF YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT tell me what the time barrier is .....DON'T KNOW? well is 10 times the speed of light and super has done that and gone faster than that.... you are so bias about thor you cant see fact!!!!!!!!!!
Or trow him in black hole or sun
Strength: Superman/don't know much about Thot strength
Speed: Maybe equal
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Endurance: Thor
Brutality: Thor/warrior madness.
So winner is obviously Thor
Endurance: Superman
Speed: Superman
Durability: Superman
Strength: Superman
Combat: Thor
Thor only has one category, sorry but it's true. And I expect @SirSpidey to intervene.
Strength: Thor
Speed: Thor
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Endurance: Thor
Brutality: Thor
Versatility: Thor
Equipment: Thor
Experience: Thor
Strategic Mindset: Thor
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And so on
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- What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact"
> Evidence: Thor Volume 1 #494
- What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact"
> Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
- First off, Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver (Quicksilver can run at light speed) and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that. Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds. Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes). Thor has microsecond reaction time. Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hear cries from the other side of the planet. So, Im pretty sure Thor could keep up with Superman very easily. Also the Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon. Plus the winners of the battles in those comics were dictated by who had more votes