Superman (Post-Crisis) Or lobotomize him with heat vision. Or incinerate him with a super flare. Or phase through him and rip his heart out. Or molecularly oscillate him. Or use his vibrations to cancel out his essence. Or IMP him. Or grab his hammer and use it against him. Or hit him with a punch so hard it shatters reality. Or hit him with thousands of light speed punches in a second.
Thor I would say Thor, they are both around the same strength with both being able to lift the weight of dozens of planets and Thor still has his warriors madness, Thor is a better fighter, Superman is faster, they have around the same durability, but Thor has more had abilities, matter manipulation, portals, energy manipulation, and the god blast that sent galactic running
Thor Actually Thor has more powers. They are even in strength and durability. Superman is a little faster. Thor is a better combatant. Superman is smarter. Thor is more experienced.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Dean I agree with the second part of that sentence but not the first. Supes has the edge in raw strength and in durability too, I would argue.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sadly it is, even Cosmic King Thor get's wrecked and Im a big Thor fan I know all his feats but tbh its nothing comparable to oneshotting 6th dimensional beings (World Forger smh) and resisting 12D energy Manipulation plus Supes fought Nebula Man who's living Universe and he's hit irrelevant speed (Speed that cannot be quantified through the speed equation) Thor gets just completely wrecked I mean I can't even make an argument for Thor here (Rune King Thor is a closer match up since he has high outerversal scaling, So does Superman but it isn't as consistent as RKT)
Superman (Post-Crisis) If this is post-Crisis Supes then he slaps casually too lol, Post-Crisis Supes resisted his own Death and oneshotted Despero who scales to the entire League, plus feats like oneshotting the world forger are still impressive if Supes was sun dipped since it proves Supes has 5th dimensional lvl energy absorption and iirc i don't remember Supes being amped during his fight with Nebula Man (I could be wrong tho).
Superman (Post-Crisis) he's also flown from Limbo (Outerversal realm that transcends the godsphere which holds true form darkseid) to the bleed (infinite Dimensional).
Thor A weakened Thor overpowered the world engine. Lifted the weight of 20 planets with one are casually. Matched Hulk in strength for an hour. Survived a supernova. Survived a blast that Odin thought could defeat him. He defeated Abomination with a punch. He easily overpowered the gravitational force of a neutron star.
Superman (Post-Crisis) umm not very impressive (for Thor) Thor has defeated a being on Par with Odin (Zeida i think her name was), he hurt the Chaos King and defeated Glory who was stated to be Odin tier but editor statements mean nothing but we can assume that Glory was more powerful than beings like Mangog I guess but thats just an assumption, Wonder Woman on the other hand has punched out and defeated Nekron (with the help of witchfire who is an avid sorcerer) btw this Nekron doesn't scale to Blackest Night Nekron but this Nekron is multiversal I guess, shes defeated True Form Nemesis who before smacked the entire DC greek Pantheon including True Ares (who scales to highfather) and Zeus who tends to job around. She's staggered and tanked hits from the Shattered God who can casually destroy and restart all creation in a single move, and Supes scales above Wonder Woman. I mean Thor has defeat Ymir and Surtur, Mangog etc but not consistently.
Superman (Post-Crisis) My god, everyone takes that "20 planets" feat out of context. Thor never lifted 20 planets with one arm. He broke free of an energy field worth the weight of 20 planets that's as restraining him. He never lifted the weight.
Superman (Post-Crisis) It's a good feat but nothing comparable to Post-Crisis Superman feats, I'd argue that Post-Crisis Superman is more of a match for Odin because of his Speed alone.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Dam,alot of people make alot of effort and have tons of time intheir life's to keep track of other people's comments,I've read one of this person is common and have to agree with him
Superman (Post-Crisis) I'll make another comment about why Superman wins.
As long as there is sun for Superman. He will keep coming at Thor persistly. It will be a long ending battle but I think Superman takes it at the end if he doesn't hold back. Clearly in the comics despite him not using his full momentum. Superman has holded back against Doomsday though in the end it only took a couple of shots to bring him down when he doesn't hold back.
So in conclusion I do believe Superman will hold back against Thor from the beginning. Though when he just sees there's too much destruction I believe Superman will get amped up and either knockout thor or potentially kill him.
Thor Superman vs thor is just a bad matchup and yeah spidey vs tribunal is a horrible fight but i like it, this one, i mean thor is basically shazam with centuries of fighting vs a kryptoian who's lost to solomon grundy and even joker and lex luthor
Superman (Post-Crisis)@DeanDinosaur it's not even a battle, but don't bother asking anything to @Blotskygei, I've been keeping a list of smart claims he's made
"Spiderman is more experienced than the living tribunal"
"Spiderman existed longer than TLT"
"Space punisher hulk beats Emperor joker"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Superman really easily"
"Hulk is physically superior to the one above All"
"Doomsdays durability Is atleast equal to the power of the Beyonder"
"God emperor doom stomps pre retcon beyonder"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Daredevil"
"Antimonitor is DCs version of Thanos because of the way they look and similar feats"
"Mxy has done everything doctor manhattan did" (in this context I mention doctor Manhattan destroying mxy, so mxy destroyed himself lmao)
"Superman loses to DAREDEVIL"
"Sentry loses to Daredevil"
"Captain America beats Captain Atom"
"Captain America stomps Martian manhunter"
"Spiderman absolutely stomps Martian Manhunter"
"Doctor Manhattan loses to silver surfer"
"Antimonitor stomps Eternity"
"Power absorption > Omnipotence"
"The one above all = Dark Infinity, but Dark infinity > The one above all"
"Cosmic Ghost rider solos Beyonder and living tribunal"
He's questioned these things lol:
-why can't we steal other characters names and make fusions?
-are fusion Characters allowed?
-WHERE ARE MY OCS? (In this context every last one of his oc's were simply "MarDC" fanfiction freaks)
-Why does dark infinity Get hate? (Obviously not because his writer is a complete and total unimaginative piece of absolute 3 year old garbage that cries over his oc not getting votes)
He's even admitted to these things:
-he worships YouTubers
-doesnt read comics
-Dark infinity was created
-Dark infinity is Universal
He's also done this:
-reported comments that shouldn't be reported
-same with downvoting
-made a discord server and blamed people for braking rules (when they didn't even remotely break rules)
-always Hates on people that disagree with him
Also @Blotsky: he's destroyed those 2 more timed than he lost, many many times you ignorant moron, go touch a comic and then come back, superman only lost when under a red son you idiot, and shazam/Thor are NOTHING alike.
Thor here are stuff you said
Superman Stomps Silver Surfer
Green Lantern or Captain America or Wolverine can Beat a Omnipotent Being
Living Tribunal Beats The Ivory Kings
Spectre beats the Ivory Kings
Batman Who Laughs Beats King Thanos
Batman Who Laughs Beats Unstoppable Colossus
Man-Thing Beating Lifebringer Galactus
Superman Stomps Thanos
Thor Beats World War Hulk
Constantine Beats Ghost Rider
Superman (Post-Crisis) Last time i checked he was immune to magic
,He was so much more strong than thor , and so mush so durable than Thor, his speed is million,billion , trillion times faster than thor,
Last time i checked thor can be knock out by nice clear one punch of Superman , thor can do nothing to take down Superman;)
Superman (Post-Crisis) @ Mxyzptlk. I agree with you for most of it Thor doesn't have magic like Dr fate or strange and as powerful as athor is , Superman would take this..that. Goes to show you how powerful Superman is..
Superman (Post-Crisis) I was able to copy this from reliable source..
Featured snippet from the web
Superman is physically the most power character in DC Comics, he may as well be a god. He's stronger than both Thor and Hercules, putting him above Odin the physical strength because Thor is the strongest one from Asgard.
Thor Actually thor has even the lifting strength because Clark NEED The Entire Justice League to help me lift planets while Thor DIDN'T need World War Hulk, Juggernaut, Hercules, World Breaker Hulk or Space Punisher hulk to lift the Midgart serpent
Superman (Post-Crisis) I've never seen a single time Superman needed the entire league to lift the earth. There's a single time I can remember when he needed help, and that's with MM and WW. But he's lifted the and pulled the earth plenty of times by himself.
Thor Thor's hammer is magic based sups does have a resistance but enough will take its toll if this was a better version of sups which it's not then sups would win but it's not so thor wins
Superman (Post-Crisis) I got to give Thor a hell of alot better fighter with a doubt but as far as being STRONGER MORE DURABLE HE DOESN'T COMPARE TO SUPERMAN..SONT GET ME WRONG THOR IS INSANELY TUFF, STRONG, DURABLE AND POWERFUL BUT HE WOULDN'T WIN.SUPERMAN WOULD DO CIRCLES AROUND HIM WITHOUT THOR SEEING HIM AND JUST BEAT HIM DOWN
Thor I say Superman is only a little stronger and faster. But Thor is more durable and a better combatant. Superman is smarter and Thor is more powerful. I just think Thor wins 51/10.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Ok fine
Strength :- Superman >thor
Speed. :- Superman >>thor
Durability :- Superman>thor
Power overall :- Thor >> Superman
Now power cancelled speed superman wins by greater strength and durability
All right I won
Thor I'd say Thor is barely more durable. I say he wins because of combat. But it really could go either way. I could make an argument for Superman winning. I think Thor wins 51 times out of 100 and Superman wins 49.
Thor I think Thor will just outlast Superman. After hours to maybe days left, Thor might just be too superior in combat and experience. It could go either way. Superman is a little bit faster and barely stronger. Superman is also smarter. I think Thor will just barely outlast Superman
Thor Thor
Mostly because Thor doesn't loose his power as Supes would away from the yellow sun. So it depends. Most of these battles are up to fans or writer interpretation as we've seen Superman to have almost infinity power to de-powered depending on the story. Thor has been pretty much consistent across all story lines.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Let me debunk something first
Superman never showed weakness to magic instead he showed resistance to it when Black Adam and shazam hit him with their lightning blasts let's just say he isn't invulnerable to magic .
Now here are some feats Superman Vaporized half and galaxy and sneezed away all the solar systems and bench pressed earth for 5 days straight and he lifted spectre also I have to say he also lifted book of infinity because he was pure of heart and makes him capable of wielding mjolnir which he already done it he also one shotted thor in that crossover he also defeated hulk and Hercules while thor stalemated Hercules and got beaten up by hulk . Superman defeated darkseid he is also fast enough to travel 20 light years away from earth in matter of minutes he can speed blitz thor also thor got speed blitz by people who isn't even fast as spider man like wolverine that's why they call him slowdinson
Thor Okay, all that evidence of Superman lifting Eternity and Infinity has been debunked so many times it doesn't even count as "evidence". In fact, they're outliers. Superman needed help to lift the Spectre and he dropped the book of infinite pages. For him to actually do it, Superman's strength would have to be infinite and he wouldn't have needed any help carrying the Spectre nor would he have dropped the book.
Superman (Post-Crisis) 'Invisible to the human eye' isn't a really great feat, really. Human eyes are weak. I can move my hand faster than my eye can see...
Especially when I'm eating something way too hot... look at my hand!
Thor@Omegabeams_spam Almost everything you said is opposite to the truth. Superman is weak against magic which is why it's said so many times in the comics and has good effect on him too.
Spectre called Superman's angriest punches "snowflakes" and would not allow Superman to leave. Moving the solar system has since been retconned. That was pre-crisis Superman.
Thor let Superman use Mjolner, afterwards he couldn't. He never one shotted Thor in fact he called it the hardest fight of his life. It was revealed Thor held back.
Superman can't beat Hulk. Never has never will.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@_holy_Joe_
Nope it wasn't debunked at all and it still count as a evidence . superman didn't even need the help of wonder woman to lift spectre because superman pulled the entire galaxy by himself .
I never downplayed any character don't blame me ( Blame the writers) I just say what I read in the comics . Thor got beaten by Street level characters also wolverine did speed blitz thor and thor didn't even go after spiderman because spiderman was too fast for him to catch
Also being invisible to the human isn't really a great feat just like galactus said . Superman went 20 light years away from earth and when crisis happened he arrive in earth in matter of minutes he also tagged the flash and caught him and he was keeping up with Jay garrick
Wielding mjolnir isn't about thor giving permission it was built for the pure of heart people or whoever doesn't regret what they did
Again if thor throw mjolnir at superman he can react to it or wield it himself and beat thor
Thor defeating galactus and being faster than silver surfer ?? Even in superman's feats it shows he is faster than flash and supergirl one shotted anti monitor who is 10x times stronger than Galactus which makes superman capable of doing the same thing
Thor escaped the black hole ? Guess what superman was holding the black whole in his hand
Superman have invulnerability while thor can easily get killed by piercing weapons
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Tyrannus
Give me a proof that magic effects superman then I will believe .. like I said superman showed resistance to pure magic lightning blasts from Shazam and Black Adam , if magic effects on superman than he should've been dead by now instead he defeated shazam .
Yeah spectre did call superman's angriest punches " snowflakes " because it was compared to him and you do realize he is the 5th strongest character in Dc Universe after Michael and Lucifer but here is a feat of superman angriest punch.
Mongul is invulnerable to harm, it takes more than just physical strength to take him down but Superman let loose against Mongul with a powerful punch, banishing him into a black hole
Yeah I know moving all solar systems are Pre-Crisis but it also means the post-crisis superman can do the same thing .
Thor didn't let superman to wield his mjolnir, he was wielding it himself but then he refused to kill and he couldn't wield it after that .
Nope the writers were drunk it wasn't his hardest fight of his life because there wasn't any single scratch on superman when he fought Thor but he was injured badly when he fought doomsday also superman defeated Hercules while thor was struggling fighting Hercules and they ended up draw .
Bruh thor getting getting defeated by superman and he was holding back ? I mean wow the logic you do realize superman was also holding back in all of his fight except fighting with doomsday
Yeah superman did defeat hulk in crossover hell yeah even batman knocked out hulk with his mighty kick
Thor@Omegabeams_spam I mean it's common knowledge that Superman is weak against magic.
Shazam said Superman never does any good against magic in Superman/Batman Public Enemies. It's because of that fact that Shazam has beaten Superman before. Superman's even admitted to the Phantom Stranger that his powers don't work against magic. This link sums it up https://www.quora.com/Is-Superman-really-weak-to-magic
Spectre's probably higher that 5th which makes your claim that he can lift Spectre void.
No. Part of the reason why pre-crisis happened was because Superman was too powerful. He hasn't been that powerful since.
Thor lets him use Mjolner. Read the comic.
Claiming the writers were drunk is being stupid now. Do you mean Superman should have lost to Thor then? Superman's costume was torn and he was visibly tired. Superman doesn't hold back when he fights tough opponents. He's admitted he has to go all out when fighting Black Adam for example.
Hercules actually beat Superman Wonder Woman and Yellow Lantern in Injustice. This was a Superman who doesn't hold back anymore and he still lost.
Superman never beat Hulk, he just calms him down. He even admits as Hulk gets angrier the outcome suddenly becomes uncertain showing that Hulk would eventually overpower Superman. What you said about Batman was completely wrong. Batman kicks his stomach so Hulk would breath in the gas he threw. Even then that makes no sense because Hulk would have just backhanded Batman killing him and his healing factor should have negated the gas.
Thor Ummm no Superman called Thor his toughest opponent
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/6/69951/1321977-jla___avengers__2_page_37.jpg
Then Hercules came over and knocked out superman
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/SZnENpGHCRkeiLhgUTsXiSUTQDJIzZMGgPuhDmxffVZJD2XhO_HP1nwjE87vGdodxMuvfbNEGi9w=s1600
Thor Thor's gonna win this. It's gonna be a close fight, but Thor is gonna win.
Speed--Superman is a bit faster, but Thor has beaten faster opponents
Strength--Equal
Durability--Superman
Power--Thor
Thor's magic and hammer is extremely powerful, and nothing can stop it's return to Thor's hand, not even Superman. Superman is known for being unhurt by gunfire, but he can be harmed by things other than kryptonite, and magic is one of them. Because of this, Thor has the ultimate advantage. All of Superman's power would wound Thor, but a hit from Thor's lightning with the power of asgard is also a tough hit, even for Superman.
Thor@emptyhand it was a joke. I had more reason behind it. Supermans powers are removed when under a red sun. Thors powers are eternal not made from his genetic make up. Besides, Livewire has simular powers to thor and she was able to beat him with her powers several times. Then you ad that power from thor timesing it by ten superman doesnt stand a chance.
Superman (Post-Crisis) BASE Superman vs BASE Thor both bloodlusted Superman will win 7/10. Superman base has punched hard enough to draw blood from the phantom stranger, this feat lowball is high-multiversal keep in mind this is his base. He has also been able to fight on par with black adam who has his own set of multiversal feats. Like when he hurt the spectre and by himself defeated the entire JSA. (https://m.imgur.com/a/bp7QI). (https://m.imgur.com/a/FCtNI) (https://images.app.goo.gl/Rgm4Cr6Rc7CuofWU7
Thor Come ON guys. Please stop ******* Superman and downplaying Thor, *and for some people, STOP acting like Superman is fodder and Thor is above Anti-Monitor, thank you very much.* Thor isn't getting blitzed or pummeled into oblivion. Superman isn't getting one-shotted or transmuted into helium 2 seconds before the fight starts because Thor does NOT transcend time, but guess what? Superman doesn't either. It's a close fight.
Thor Okay, this downplay of Thor's speed needs to seriously stop. Thor's not that slow, Superman can't speed blitz him that easily and you all know it. On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but bor him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Superman (Post-Crisis) Supes still faster than Thor,stronger,and more invulnerable. Current Superman maybe loose,but Silver Age Superman would stomp every form of Thor even RKT.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Thor@shadowatti I hope you know rkt defeated a group of 5 beyonders and it only took 3 to kill the living tribunal
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Thor CA Superman is not greater than the living tribunal 😂 if he was he wouldn't be losing the battle and ca Superman can't beat rkt because he's omnipotent
Thor Lt blink stomps the thought robot no feat nor hype nor evidence can prove he is above the living tribunal
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
Thor "Cas is outerversal"you have no evidence of that claim and you have no evidence he's above the living tribunal (which he's not you can debate me on it)"rkt not even multiversal"except for the fact that he killed 5 beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal who is outerversal so yes rkt is outerversal
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
Superman (Post-Crisis) So you say RKT is above Lucifer and Michael too? :D It's funny. Those Beyonders were weak and just because they could defeated LT,it means nothing. LT has never been outversal btw,stop ******* The Living Tribunal,who isn't even stronger than Unbound Spectre.
Thor "So you say rkt is above Lucifer and Michael too"?Well that ones up for debate but rkt is outerversal
"It's funny those beyonders were weak"they weren't weak it was never implied nor hinted at
"Lt has never been outerversal btw"except he is and has shown it like when he held the amalgam brothers with one hand
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5754727-7368726379-12309.jpg
The same people who ragdolled the spectre
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers2.jpg
So my point still stands Rkt>beyonders>lt>spectre>cas>any other version of Superman
Superman (Post-Crisis) That comic was not canon,so LT still not outversal.
Marvel hasn't got outversal characters.
Unbound Spectre>LT>Spectre .
CAS=PR Beyonder>LT>Rkt
Thor Here the lt stands above eternity and infinity (both of which are high hyperversal)so he has power greater than high hyperversal which is outerversal so yes lt is outerversal
https://m.imgur.com/nKFqaOs
"Marvel hasn't got outerversal characters"um hello have you never heard of pr beyonder or molecule man or god emperor doom or hotu thanos?I can name more but I'm just to lazy to type them all
"Unbound spectre>Lt>spectre.
CAS=PR Beyonder>Lt>Rkt"
Unbound spectre got one shotted by Michael demurgios who didn't even go all out
CAS gets one shotted by PR Beyonder(id like to debate on that)
"Lt>Rkt"no he isn't LT was killed by beyonders the same group of people that rkt oneshotted
So my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>Lt>>>CAS
Superman (Post-Crisis) CA Superman stomps RKT, CA Superman is as strong as he needs to be to win. And he even if RTK is stronger than CAS then he will just increase in power and surpass RTK https://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Thor If he can increase his power to win then why did mandrakk injure him beyond repair and kill him?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
Thor Thought robots a overrated jobber who had to throw mandrakk into the over monitor just to win https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11129/111291753/5451796-2643562619-54510.jpg
Superman (Post-Crisis) Still CAS at base is still high multiversal and he will get stronger than anyone he fights, you haven't disproved me, Read the scan (https://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium) just cause you don't believe doesn't disprove it, it is stated in the scan.
Thor "Still cas at base is still high multiversal"and rkt is omnipotent equal to the one above all so that puts him infinitely above the thought robot
"Just cause you don't believe it doesn't disprove it,it is stated in the scan"so going by your logic then the living tribunal is Omnipotent because it was stated https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108047/2046547-omnipotetnt.jpg
So then rkt one shotted 5 beyonders and it only took 3 beyonders to beat the living tribunal so my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>>CAS
Superman (Post-Crisis) PR Beyonder is the strongest marvel character (Under TOAA) and he is not outversal. There is no outversal character in marvel except Toaa.
also HOTU Thanos isn't canon.
Michael one shotted the Spectre who is much stronger than Pr Beyonder and MM and LT. Unbound Spectre wouldt still win against RKT and LT.
Cas>LT>Rkt.
Thor "PR Beyonder is the strongest marvel character (Under TOAA) and he is not outversal"pr beyonder is beyond everything he is beyond marvel beyond dimensions and beyond any power in the multiverse and has shown multiple outerversal feats
"Also hotu thanos isn't canon"What does being canon have to do with anything everything is canon just some things aren't head canon
Just because something isn't canon doesn't mean it can't be taken into account
Using your logic then I claim dc has no outerversal characters because Lucifer Morningstar and Michael demurgios aren't canon.
"Spectre would still win against rkt and lt"How would the spectre beat rkt if he's omnipotent?and stop dodging this question
"Cas>Lt>Rkt"
Absolutely wrong 💀😂
Are you genuinely dumb?Ive proven to you that rkt already killed beyonders which killed the living tribunal so rkt>lt>cas
Why don't you wanna debate me on cas vs lt?
And for the "marvel has no outerversal characters"it does actually the beyonders are outerversal and so is lt (he is above multi eternity and infinity who are high hyperversal.power greater than high hyperversal is outerversal)lt sits on a throne outside creation itself
God emperor doom is outerversal,molecule man is outerversal,so is hotu thanos,regulator thanos,god quarry thanos,king thanos,multi oblivion,pre retcon molecule man,and beyonder are all outerversal
Superman (Post-Crisis) Only TOAA outversal in marvel. Unbound Spectre>CAS>LT>RKT. Btw Michael is much stronger than Pr Beyonder so yes Michael one shots Spectre. So is LT. CAS=Pr Beyonder. CAS=Pr Beyonder>LT>>>Rkt.
Thor "Only TOAA outerversal in marvel"no I just listed about 20 people who are outerversal and you can't prove that none of them aren't outerversal
"Unbound spectre>CAS>LT>Rkt"
Okay so explain exactly how CAS is above the living tribunal and how the living tribunal is above rkt when Rkt killed beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal
All your doing is restating yourself I've debunked all of your claims and you still have yet to debunk any of mine
"CAS=PR Beyonder"no beyonder one shots the thought robot who couldn't even beat mandrakk the same guy who was injured by green lantern
Superman (Post-Crisis) Your list is wrong. No one on that list are outversal. Beyonder hasn't shown any outversal feats so rkt and Lt.
Lucifer and Michael aren't canon so dc has no outversal characters you said. And you say I am dumb...:D Both of Luci and Michael are canon,and there are many outversal feats in dc,if you want to ignore the angels. For example Monitor Mind is canon. :)
So yes Hotu Thanos is still not canon so it doesn't matter.
rkt is not omnipotent :D Rkt has never been omnipotent,are you trolling?
Nope,u wrong. CAS is stronger than LT so Cas>Lt>>>Sword of Superman>>>rkt...
Pr Beyonder can never one shots TH. They 're equal or almost equal. Btw in my opinion Cas is stronger by feats.
Cas is outversal while LT,Rkt is not.
Thor "Your list is wrong"how is it wrong beyonder himself is outerversal and proved it when he was way to big for the multiverse and nearly destroyed it by existing https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125547/3344653-scan1.jpg
"Luci and Micky are canon"no there not there both vertigo characters which don't directly apply to dc universe
And how is oblivion not outerversal his true form would literally kill you if you even stared at it
"Rkt is not omnipotent"yes he is in the words of the author himself
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9bc771060ac17cfa150410cb64cd264
He controls everything he wants making him omnipotent
And how does beyonder not one shot TR
Superman (Post-Crisis) Nah,Beyonder feats prove only that he is high multiversal,not outversal.
Nah Luci and Mich is canon, Luci has already met with the jla in the comic. Also Vertigo is a part of dc. :) Presence is the creator of DC universe and his childs are Luci and Mich.
Oblivion still not outversal.
RKT is a low budget omnipotent maybe in the 3D realm but thats all. Weak as Infinity Gauntlet and he looses badly against CAS.
CAS and Beyonder are equal or almost equal maybe PR Beyonder a lil' bit stronger but if it's true this is still not a one shot. So that's how Beyonder doesn't stomp Cas.
Thor No if your greater than all of existence then your outerversal
And no vertigo is supposed to account for things that happen outside of dc (non canon things like luci)
And how is oblivion not outerversal if he can kill the reader?Please explain how that isn't outerversal
And no rkt isn't omnipotent in a 3D scale there's no such thing as omnipotence in different dimensions your either omnipotent or not
So yeah rkt is omnipotent
And beyonder is way more powerful than the tr
TR couldn't beat mandrakk and had to throw him into the overmonitor and then died shortly after
And if TR is outerversal then why isn't beyonder since you say there "equals"
Superman (Post-Crisis) Nope if u greater than existence than you are metaversal,not outversal :)
Vertigo story is canon and it's a part of DC.
Oblivion has never shown that he can kill the reader. He still lives in the creation and he has no impressive feats.
Rkt is not omnipotent,only in the 3d realm and it still not sure. And there is a difference between 3d and higher dimensional omnipotence.
So yeah Rkt is not omnipotent,Rkt is nothing even compared Silver Age Superman. :)
Mandrakk is stronger than the beyonder and i changed my mind CAS godstomps the beyonder,he is nothing.
Thor No if your greater than all of existence then your outerversal
Hence the name "outer"versal
And no vertigo isn't part of dc it's supposed to show all different branch realities
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/37/Oblivion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130702041935
Here oblivion takes over the comic in order to confront you and states that the way you see him is an illusion and that if he stared at you in his true form you would cease to exist.The only reason why he doesn't kill you is because it wouldn't really please him
So yes oblivion is outerversal
And no rkt killed 5 beyonders
It took 3 to kill the living tribunal who is outerversal
The living tribunal transcends all of marvel (which is composed of infinite dimensions)and all other multi abstracts like eternity (who are all infinite dimensional)and are only a fraction of his being
And those beyonders killed him
And rkt killed them so no rkt is omnipotent In a outerversal scale
And no tr is a fodder who couldn't beat mandrakk
And here we see mandrakk being hurt by green lantern
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23992/4746094-final%20crisis%20007-027.jpg
So no beyonder would one shot the thought robot who died after throwing mandrakk into the over monitor http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
Superman (Post-Crisis) No if u greater than existence you aren't outversal. :)
Vertigo is a part of dc in fact. Is it hurt you? I can understand it because Luci and Michael together can stomp the whole marvel fiction after TOAA has been nerfed.
Oblivion is not that strong man,stop talking silly things. Oblivion is almost equal with Eternity,who is nothing in this leauge.
RKT is not stronger than Beyonders :DD Rkt is a universal fodder nothing more In 3D scale.
CAS has beaten Mandrakk,who can destroy Rkt with ease. CAS>>>Lt>>>Rkt.
And well no again. Beyonder can't one shot CAS. Cas would punch the sht out of Beyonder.
Thor No if your beyond dimensions,space,and time (like TLT,oblivion,beyonder,and just about anyone above the living tribunal)then you are outerversal
Stop denying that oblivion is outerversal just because it ruins your argument.You can ask @EmptyHand@Oblivion@DarkWing@Jongensoden
And they'll all say that oblivion is outerversal
And your saying that vertigo is canon because it's apart of DC
So by using your logic I can claim that HOTU,Regulator,And God quarry thanos are all canon because it's apart of marvel
And no CAS loses badly to Pre retcon beyonder
And also that whole "TOAA was nerfed"wasn't actually TOAA it was the above all others who is just an aspect of TOAA not actually TOAA
TOAA=TOBA=>RKT>Pre retcon beyonder>Beyonders=GED>CAS>Mandrakk
And also please explain how RKT isn't stronger than beyonders if he one shotted them?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Hahh LT and Oblivion is not outversal.
Oblivion is on Eternity's level.
They're all saying he is outversal so what? The whole ComicVine is saying that he isn't,so do i.
Vertigo is a part of DC in fact you can check out and it is canon not just because it's a part of dc universe.
HOTU story isn't a part of marvel and it is non-canon you can look after that too.
Nope, CAS still stomps Beyonder out of existence without trying.
That was the real TOAA who is not omnipotent anymore because of nerf.
TOAA>>>Pr Beyonder>Pr Molecule Man>NonCanon Hotu Thanos>Protege>Oblivion>God Doom>Beyonders(Ivory dudes)>LT>>>>so many > Chaos King >>>Punny Rkt who is only universal and it has proven. TOAA>Cas(stpid plot machine)>Pr-Beyonder>>> >>> >>> Rkt slowdinson.
Beyonders are weak. They are only on Lt's level and its nothing compared CAS,exspecially they aren't outversal lol.
Thor How is living tribunal not outerversal I've already proven to you how he is and all you do is say "no he's not"like dude your getting destroyed your only argument is "no it's not true because I said so"and who cares about what the people on comic vine think if they're the same people who called odin planetary
And you still have yet to prove how vertigo is canon all your doing is saying that it is but still haven't proven it
And please prove how oblivion is only on eternity level if I've already shown you how he's outerversal and all you do is say "no he's on eternity level"
And even then In the chaos war story the chaos king had nearly killed eternity and it was then revealed that the chaos king was simply a infinitely small aspect of oblivion
And how are the beyonders only on the Living tribunal level if there the same people who killed him
Rkt is omnipotent as I've already proven to you and how is he universal if the living tribunal (the cosmic overseer of marvel beyond all dimensions,space,and time which would make him outerversal)who was killed by the beyonders (who are also outerversal)were killed by Rkt
And until you provide evidence for anything you claim then I'll dismiss it as false
Also let me explain how beyonder one shots thought robot
You see thought robot was hurt by the power of 52 universes
Meanwhile beyonder was stated to be "millions of times"more powerful than the multiverse (which is composed of infinite universes I'm marvel)https://imgur.com/F4KYtNF
And also here's some confirmation that the above all others is only an aspect of TOAA https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Above_All_Others
Superman (Post-Crisis) First of all I don't need to prove you anything exspecially because you can find these facts on the internet and in the comics.
After that you have never proven to me that LT is outversal you talking about stupid things starting with Rkt is above CAS . LT is not outversal,LT is a jobber compared to dc heavy hitters like Perpetua for example.
Vertigo is a part of DC while HOTU isn't.
On comic vine there are some interesting silly people,but the most of users are fine and experienced about comics,so yeah you can check comic vine and many sites which will prove you my arguements instead of me. You and your ideas is one versus so many ppl,and im sure about that they know better than you.
I can also say that rkt is a fodder and he is much weaker than LT even Silver Age Superman lol.
Oblivion is still not outversal and CAS would beat the shieet out of Pr.Beyonder. He is a plot device,he can always adapt the story. Against CAS ,Beyonder has no power any longer.
Only TOAA was outversal in marvel corps and it has been retconned too.:DD
There is only Ret.Toaa now this is the ugly truth accept it marvel guy. :) The One Above Almost All...
Thor Okay so first of all don't insult me about being stupid if you can't spell to save your life
And second of all how is the lt not outerversal your making yourself look stupid by claiming he is bound by dimensions and time when he is above both of those concepts (infinity and eternity)
Third of all how are you going to claim something without proving it I've shown you multiple pieces of evidence to debunk every single claim you've made and your excuse is "no it's not true because I said so"
Hotu and every single other "nOn cAnOn" story is part of marvel so therefore it is canon according to your standards
Also how are you going to have a debate and say "I don't have to prove anything" you are far by the worst debater I've ever met if you think you don't have to prove your claims
So I'm going to use your logic and say that base Thor solos all of DC because I said so
And don't call me a fanboy when you claim that the pre retcon beyonder isn't outerversal and that the thought robot would beat him because he's a "plot device"
But yet he failed to actually beat mandrakk in raw power and died in his own issue
Not only that but he was injured by 52 universes while beyonder was stated to be more powerful than a million multiverses
Thank you once again for proving your arrogance this is probably the easiest debate I've had in a while
Not only that but I've proven to you that oblivion is also outerversal and you claim he isn't because you've seen some guy on comic vine say so
Superman (Post-Crisis) OK dude you have just proven that you aren't ok. I never have called you stupid I only said u talking stupid things.
Let's play your game then. First of all you don't know what does outversal mean thats why u sayin eternity and infinity outversal. They are only universal.
Second of all you still didn't prove me anything ,you only saying stupid things but its ok for a guy who can't understand what does outversal mean. You can think it you're right.
HOTU is not canon while Vertigo is.
Also i don't want to debate you i just typed here to my opinion thats all. I dont't have to prove anything exspecially because if you aren't mental you can look after my arguements on the internet,where are many sites and many pepople that can explain you to my opinions.
And my logic is still more valid than your silly things. Thor never can solo DC even Green Lantern with white ring. :D
pr. beyonder isn't outversal and CAS would **** him not just because he is a plot device. :) It's just one thing why he can destroy the entrie marvelverse.
Btw CAS has stomped Mandrakk who can also beat Beyonder anyways.^^
The sad thing is that u haven't debated me and you are the only one who have any arrogance here but it is not a problem for me silly dude.
Comic Vine people have already proven that Oblivon is not outversal too. The only difference is that you are 1 guy who don't even know what he says and you have proven that many times for example rkt is stronger than CAS, Eeternity is outversal versus so many guy who have interesting arguements and legit opinions with so much comicbook knowedge. :)
Well thats all have a nice day.
Thor Okay so first of all I never claimed that eternity and infinity are outerversal this entire time I claimed that the living tribunal is (which I've already proven to you a million times he is so yes he is outerversal)Second of all eternity and all infinity are hyperversal (eternity is the sum of all existence and is infinite dimensional and infinity was stated to be his equal)
Second of all don't call me stupid when your using fake terms like "MetAvErSal"and then claim that "yOu hAvEnT pRovEn ANyThIng"when I've shown you about 20 scans proving every single one of my claims
You probably can't even count to ten
Can't spell outerversal so you spell it outversal
How dense is your skull if your so biased to dc and claim that the thought robot could potentially solo marvel
And third of all STOP DENYING THAT OBLIVION IS OUTERVERSAL IF MARVEL THEMSELVES CONFIRM HE IS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/p4PnWF6IhWGYkgjvf2ZWAY54e6fftRzuFe8gF-DQzvfZu0ApHMpB7wpV79s3_7KInbMJc8z9kqSi=s0
You can't deny oblivion is outerversal anymore because marvel themselves support me regardless of what your biased comic vine fanboys tell you
Pr beyonder is outerversal and he'd slap the thought bot garbage
And you have a nice day to :)
Btw if you weren't trying to debate then why even bother replying you just wasted both of our time?
Thor I agree with @EmptyHand. Thor doesn't body Superman. Thor makes Superman eat his s**t, b***h slaps him a couple of times, and then sets Mjolnir on top of Superman so that Superman can think about why he would ever try to fight him.
Thor The problem I have with most of these fights is that nobody really specifies which version of a character they're using I have seen a few that do but in this case it's base form versus base form so using Feats outside of sand forms seems redundant since they can't be taken into account. That being said I gave the victory to soar primarily due to his vast experience in fighting powerful foes I'm having Magic on his side doesn't hurt either and what a lot of people don't understand is that magic can hurt Superman but he's not weak to it it's not like hitting them with a fireball is going to burn him. Mjolnir has an infinite capacity for energy absorption which could very easily be used to absorb the solar energy that strapped in Superman cells not that he would do that but he could I think that a debate like this should take into account the factors of what could happen not just stats or alleged feats. Though I gave the win to Thor I will say that it will not be an easy when I would say that maybe 55% of the time Thor would come out on top mostly because of his fighting experience as well as his vast array of powers that has Hammer gives him. I do give Superman props in this fight due to his speed and actual ability to fly where is Thor doesn't really fly he just holds on to his hammer.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Even though I voted Superman, I think there actually equal. Both characters are the mightiest beings in their respected universes. Both lifts entire planets, defeated gods, defeated reality-threatening villains, and could bust anything in their path. Both could win a fight here and there, Stalemate.
Thor Surely if you believe that then you wouldn't vote or what I'm trying to do and vote for whoever has the least votes at the time to make the vote a tie
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman's speed is so ridiculous I have no idea how anyone thinks Thor could react to him. Superman caught up to and destroyed reality-blitzing missles, which were said to sterilize the entire universe in a single heartbeat. This feat is lowballed at Sextillions of times faster than light. He's also crossed the entire universe in 60 days, which is trillions of times faster than light. He can react in a femtosecond. I think Supes and Thor are pretty close in most other categories, with some slight edges, but Superman's speed and reaction times are insane. Thats what gives Superman the edge.
Thor The silver surfers has been able to cross a galaxy 5 times in one second and Thor kept up with him and beat him Thor is just as fast if not faster than Superman
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman routinely keeps pace with the flash who outran instant teleportation. Flash dwarfs surfer in speed. Superman is faster than surfer. His missile feat is Sexdecillions of times faster than light. Btw surfer didn't actually cross 5 times in one second. He used a shortcut to cross that distance.
Thor I actually searched up how fast the feat was and the speed is only 36.5 quadrillion times faster than light not sixdecillion and flash is absolutely faster than Superman flash has outright admitted it and so has supes
Superman (Post-Crisis) Can i see where you found that? Because the consensus for that feat is that it's much faster than that. Regardless, flash is much faster than surfer and superman has matched his speed and reacted to him before. He's only slightly slower than barry, who is significantly faster than Surfer. Superman has way faster reaction feats too. Thor is not as fast as supes.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Supes and flash have fought on multiple occasions. People on this site are split on the fight. Flash does not stomp supes. It does make sense to compare. Flash is faster than surfer and superman has kept pace with the flash, therefore he is faster than thor. I have numerous speed and reactionary feats for superman that blow thor's out of the water if you'd like to see. He's even broken the barriers of time, space, and life before.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I said thor, not surfer.
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Thor Incorrect actually not once has it been stated that he crossed the universe in a heartbeat but the missles took an hour to cross the universe (and that's a highball you have zero evidence that proves it was in seconds)not only that but you also doubled the size of the dc universe your taking all of it out of context and applying things that haven't even been stated so like I said
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Superman (Post-Crisis) Dude it literally says in the comic that the missiles were going to sterilize the entire universe in a heartbeat. In that scan it says Superman was teleported across half of the universe, 100 trillion light years. So twice that is 200 trillion light years. Nowhere does it say that it took an hour. It says a heartbeat. I'm not taking anything out of context. I showed you proof of the length of the universe and that it was in a heartbeat. So Superman's feat > Surfer's feat.
Superman (Post-Crisis) https://imgur.com/a/voGE9
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
Thor Actually the one that I said was a mid ball (I wanted to be neutral since I wanted to lowball it but you wanted to high ball it so I figured to go with the middle end)but Thor once travelled a whole universe away before an alien could finish praying https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-504fca2295796e1e7e5484c8806d2653
Superman (Post-Crisis) In that comic Thor implies he was in Asgard at the time. You can see the portall effect from the bifrost hitting the ground in the scan you posted. Also check this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/speed-who-can-replicate-this-thor-feat-1906058/
Most users agree he is teleporting.
Thor And if he did use the bifrost then why didn't he use it while leaving the planet there's nothing that even implies that he used the bifrost so I don't really see where your getting that from
Thor No actually I'm reading the comic nowhere does it state he's in Asgard and neither does it show the teleporting effects from the bifrost stop making things up
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
Superman (Post-Crisis) He implies he's in Asgard. I'm not making things up. You can also clearly see the effect in the second panel. You have no evidence to show that this is a speed feat. It doesn't show Thor flying at all and the only discussion I could find on this feat shows that most people think he is teleporting. You need to prove this is a speed feat.
Thor "He implies he's in Asgard"no he doesn't he just simply states that he's a warrior from Asgard
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Look man, regardless of our perceptions of the feat, you're the one claiming it's a speed feat and that it's as fast as Superman. You haven't provided any evidence that it's a speed feat. It doesn't show him flying at all. He simply appears. This is consistent with teleporting, and not at all with flying. Prove with evidence from the comic that this is a speed feat, since you're the one claiming it is. Until you do, and also provide proof that it's as fast as Superman, it can be dismissed.
Thor Okay so let's use common sense
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
Thor Flash has stated that when he races Superman and gives him a chance it's usually for charity or something like that. During the Justice graphic novel Superman states that whenever they race he felt like Flash always held back.
Superman (Post-Crisis) 1. The portal effect can be seen
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
Thor "1.You can see the teleporting effect"no you can't ive already proven to you that it's just mjolnir hitting the ground the narration further proves my point
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
Superman (Post-Crisis) 1. Let's just agree to disagree. He isn't flying at all though
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
Thor "1.Lets just agree to disagree"how about we agree that your argument isn't getting you anywhere all your doing is repeating yourself after being debunked
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
Superman (Post-Crisis) 1. You haven't debunked s**t. Mjolnir hitting the ground doesn't mean he flew. He hovered after he appeared. Your evidence is bad. End of story.
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
Thor (To lazy to quote you so just know that each number is supposed to represent an answer to your argument)
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
Superman (Post-Crisis) Nice ad hominem. I don't have to quote you. Also, some punctuation would really help you. You sound like you're 10 years old.
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
Thor 1.I didn't say to circle mjolnir I said to circle the teleporting effect quit dodging that question
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
Superman (Post-Crisis) 1. I corrected myself
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman can also do that.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Superman (Post-Crisis) Don't remember the exact issue, but it's in the issue when he survived the death of the universe: caused by the literal personification of Death. He broke through the barriers of space and time to fight the angel of death. Look that up and I think you'll find it.
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
Thor Or Superman one shots Thor who is physically weaker than the Hulk who struggles to pull a planet back together. And even a small black hole is still infinite mass
Thor "Or Superman one shots Thor who is physically weaker than the hulk who struggles to pull a planet back together"but yet Thor lifts 20 planets with one hand here https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6927794e0811388638b1ec559dccdc0e
"And even a small black hole is still infinite mass"a black hole doesn't have infinite mass and even if it did you know there are levels to infinity right?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Atomic, I think it's been established through our debate that you don't know what you're talking about. Please type with some grammar too.
That scan doesn't show thor lifting anything? I'm confused. If you're referring to the part later in the comic where he breaks free of the pressure of a "score of planets", that's misleading at best. He broke free of the energy construct but nowhere does it show him lifting the weight, not with one arm either. It isn't even 20 planets, it's an energy construct with the pressure of 20 planets that he broke free of. That isn't him lifting that amount.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/thor-feats-of-strength/amp/
Website agrees
Thor No it was the weight of 20 planets the only thing suggesting it's a energy construct is that there isn't literal planets there.And no I will type however I want this aint about grammar.And didn't that article show him pushing the world tree
You know the thing that holds all 9 realms
Which are universes
https://pm1.narvii.com/6440/0abfcf74265c34d385e24459e344bf089594cce3_hq.jpg
RUNE KING THOR IS GREATER THAN THE THOUGHT ROBOT
Superman (Post-Crisis) It just makes it inconvenient to read.
The context of the World Tree feat is that its supporters like to claim it shows how Thor was strong enough to move the entire 9 Realms by pushing the World Tree Engine, an incalculable feat of strength. What they forgot to remember is that all Thor was doing was pushing the wheel that turned the engine for the World Tree, nothing else. And he was having trouble doing that as well, though I hear his powers were in flux or something at the time.
About the thought robot, I'd move the discussion to that page, not here. I haven't read much about RKT, but my only point is that CAS is incredibly broken. Though Robot is PIS in walking form. His power is literally plot manipulation, he can change the plot of the story to make himself win and can even sense the reader.
Thor Didn't he push the engine to?
And yeah he was unworthy at the time or sum like that so he wasn't at full strength
And would you like to discuss the thought robot vs rkt
Superman (Post-Crisis) I think it was just the wheel based on the text, but there's no consensus on the feat. I haven't read a lot on rkt, so I might not have the full picture, but I do know at least a decent amount about thought bot. Im open to being swayed in that topic. I'd be fine discussing it
Superman (Post-Crisis) Hmm that's tough. Thought Bot exists beyond the multiverse and can touch limbo and creation itself. He's also literally as strong as he needs to be: http://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L.png he can match his opponents strength. He can also sense the reader and adjust the plot to make himself win. That's OP AF. However I don't want to lowball LT here. He's literally the overseer of the entire multiverse, topped only by the beyonder and Toaa, if I remember correctly. He's insanely powerful. He's literally toyed with classic strange and swatted the infinity gauntlet. The only distinction is that Thought Bot exists on a higher plane than LT. Not same universe but still. I think it's possible, but not likely, given how broken Thought Bot is. It's literally walking PIS, the power to make itself win. So if they fought I think Bot at least takes the majority. But yeah, i'd say its possible.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sorry for the late reply. I know there's a group of beyonders that exist outside the multiverse. I think that's what you're talking about? I'm honestly unsure about this one. Both exist outside the multiverse, beyonders are nigh-omnipotent and TR is broken so I don't know what i'd say to that
Superman (Post-Crisis) I feel like this is going in the direction of the "Thor beat a group of beyonders" argument. I read about that earlier. Those who sit above in shadow are celestial beings, but I highly doubt they're beyonders. Loki said "maybe beyonders" so he wasn't sure. Plus, Loki is god of mischief, so he could easily have been lying. Also, the beyonders and Those who sit above in shadow are separate characters on this site. I could be wrong, but I feel that the direction you're going is: "RKT beat a group of beyonders!", "Can TR?", "RKT>Beyonders>TR!" The A>B>C comparison is generally avoided in comic arguments. I don't want to accuse you of doing that, but just know that argument isn't always sound.
Thor Well it's not just that Loki said that they might have been beyonders but the fact that there first words were "verbatim" which means in word for word of the same group
You go read secret wars
And the beyonders first words were "verbatim"I highly doubt they'd just coincidentally say the same the word which mean in word for word of the same group and then later on hinted that they may be of the same race.It seems like a creative way of confirming it
It's a long story so I summarized it as best as I could
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Clint_Barton Even if i grant you that Thor is automatically as fast as the surfer simply because he's beat him before, Superman still has better speed feats
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman(post crisis) has tanked Darkseid's omega beams and countered it with his heat vision. He'll easily avoid Thor's god blast or even if it hits him one won't kill him.
Thor If anything he's weakness to magic is understated because whenever people use magic and Superman in the same sentence the Superman defenders quickly say "Superman doesn't really have a weakness to magic" even though it's been stated many times in comics how it's a weakness
Superman (Post-Crisis) No it isn't Joe. If magic was Superman's weakness then he'd never be able to beat Shazam, Black Adam, Doctor fate, etc. He just has no defense against it. Kryptonite is a weakness because once you expose Superman to kryptonite he loses his powers and can die. Magic can hurt him, but doesn't weaken him or take away his powers. There's a key difference. Let me give an example: Batman is vulnerable to being punched. Does that mean someone who can punch automatically beats him? Of course not. He is simply vulnerable to it. If you poisoned Batman, that's a weakness. He'd be extremely weak and might even die as a result. That's the difference. Supes has stood up against magic numerous times.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Also, many of the magical beings Superman has fought and even beaten are as powerful if not more powerful than Thor. Such as Mordru, Doctor fate, Black Adam, and Shazam.
Thor@Mr_Incognito You've basically just described why Superman is weak against magic. Weaknesses don't all need to have the same effect. Superman's never defeated Back Adam or Dr Fate and he always struggles against Shazam
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Tyrannus No, i described why he's hurt by it. Magic can hurt him, but it doesn't weaken him. The one time Superman and Adam fought in post crisis Superman was about to hit him with a moon destroying punch but stopped when he realized all the collateral damage he would cause. He was about to win. He beat Dr fate on earth 2. Him and shazam have both won in their fights. Also see Moreau and Claw of horus
Thor@Mr_Incognito Superman is invunerable to pretty much everything else. If someone was going up against and thought what can hurt him, krytonite and magic would come to mind. That's a weakness. It doesn't have to make Superman himself weak but he is weak against against.
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Superman (Post-Crisis) This ignorance lol,superman tanked a magic attack that could destroy a universe,enchantress whose magic is far beyond thor's couldnt scratch him,he tanked from wizard (multiversal) while he was weakened even beat dr fate on earth2
Thor Superman's also been clapped many times by magic users like Shazam and Black Adam. Also when has Superman taken hits from universal destroying magic and the Wizard?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yes, but he's also beaten both of them. Superman fought on par with Mordru, one of the Lords of Chaos, who has universal levels of magical power. He was blasted by him several times and kept fighting. He's also been hit with the claw of horus, a magical item that hits with the force of a planet.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Tyrannus the one time adam and supes fought superman was about to win but stopped due to collateral damage. How did he cheat? He threw shazam in front of his own lightning. Regardless he fought on par with mordru who's a universal magical being. Also got hit with the claw. Magic is not a game ender for the man of steel. If anything, it's an annoyance
Thor I said he has to cheat when fighting Shazam not Adam. He's never been able to beat Adam. He stopped because Adam turned his back on him, nothing to do with collateral damage. If he was concerned about that he wouldn't have said that he needs to go all out when fighting Adam.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
Superman (Post-Crisis) Slowdinson got defeated by mangoose , Wolverine , Captain america and iron man multiple times while superman can solo these 4 charachters
Thor Superman was defeated by Batman, Muhammad Ali, Hawkman, and the Joker. Thor and Superman are really even. A fight between the two would last days.
Thor I am gonna end this lowball: I am open minded here and ready to change my opinion. But I think Thor wins:
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Kryptonian martial arts isnt an amp clint,and im sure you dont know anything about them so superman is stronger but you fandiot calling his consistent feats outlier,pis or similar bs thor isnt more durable wtf superman tanked multi universal attacks like nothing,youre lying gorr cucked him every time they throwed hands Thor has a larger set of powers,bs you literally know nothing about how powerul superman is or what is he capable of
Superman (Post-Crisis) The only reason Superman ever lost to Batman and Joker was because they had kryptonite. Also he fought Ali on a planet with a red sun. He didn't have his powers. Not the same as Thor having his full powers and still getting blitzed.
Thor Shazam is not stronger than Thor. Thor, Shazam, Superman, Hulk, Hercules (Marvel), Wonder Woman, Sentry, and Martian Manhunter are around the same strength. Kal-el cant speedblitz, Thor has is a little slower than Silver Surfer (who is faster than Superman), but superman overall is a little faster. Thor has a major advantage in combat that I think he would win.
Thor I would say this is a fair point to make actually because it gives us an idea of what would actually happen of the two fought. The only thing is that the outcome was based upon fan votes and Superman is the most popular superhero in comics.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sups was in the lead by about 10 points but someone used a lot of alt accs to give Thor the edge, pathetic. sups is stronger, more durable, and faster, and smarter, that's just the truth and what the creater of the characters would say. But they might say Thor is more durable so I'm 50/50 on that one.
Thor@Bane stronger huh? Is that why he needed help to move Warworld and planet? More Durable? Lol. Thor has taken attacks from Odin, Odin is at least low multiversal. Faster? Well, that's arguable. But you are probably right. Smarter? Lmfao. Thor has 10000+ years of fighting experience. He is a warrior. He has beaten Hercules who is great fighter. Thor managed to hurt Odin, Thor hurts mikaboshi. I know you said you don't read much Marvel, but please, don't lowball The Mighty.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Here is a response to whatever Akhil said
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
Thor Thanks for the compliments @MoP. I only said rude stuff twice and one of those times was when you asked me something that you should have known if you've read the comic and that kinda pissed me off. I'd gladly like to see that Bible of debunks BTY but I'd rather let you do what you want. And why can't you continue this debate?
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Jon I doubt you beat current @Dark_Wing. I never debated you as @Darth_Doom. Remember when I one shotted you twice on Discord?
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Oof sorry. It is a Google Doc link. You must have a Google Doc account. Which means Email. So....yeah, I wouldn't sign in if you don't want your email exposed
Superman (Post-Crisis) "In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast?" "Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who>Odin and Zeus" "Galactus has a reason to fear it
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Superman (Post-Crisis) "No he read the entire comic"
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
https://m.imgur.com/Yte4HSw
https://m.imgur.com/QsCAqWV
https://m.imgur.com/1Mn0Hzt
https://m.imgur.com/8gIu3Oe
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
Superman (Post-Crisis) 'I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.'
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-76c2b7d0e13682d93f8380d0aa49ee31
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_SVHdMfklqqsadWvXwGxOZ21oZWFPOs4jnDXggl58kXKe79Oacp6GVlKtUL2MKfQ3scGnrEU7at319V-m3Mpzg-r_C10ufWTRIqo7nHZtz-WUc-2SRiB3ypKazZ8drlsREuB8rzJ=s320
I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Superman (Post-Crisis) "Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times."
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
Thor "Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on"
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
Thor "No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?"
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Thor@ManofPower - No....Thor was holding back against Wolverine to the fullest because he was a friend while Wolverine was trying to kill him and guess what....he COULDN'T kill Thor while Thor with a lightning blast put Wolverine down onto the ground so hard his mind-control "broke". Two, Loki is INSANELY powerful and this downplay is like saying Shazam beating Superman or Wonder Woman beating Superman is Superman being a weak *****. Gorr and Void are more powerful than Thor just like how Darkseid or Imperiex would be more powerful than Superman. Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor and more powerful than Superman too but in certain contexts, Thor has beaten the Surfer. Thor also beat Red Hulk....but you know, since you want to downplay Thor, let's look at the times Superman lost to Batman, but you know, let's ignore the context. Thor has beaten Hulk, Red Hulk, Enchantress, Loki, Surtur, Fenris, Sentry, Majeston Zelia, a weakened Galactus....you get my point. He fought beings like Thanos, Gorr, the Void,Zarathos, and Mephisto even if he knew he'd lose, and guess what? When Thor is bloodlusted, he has shown the capability to at least fight with these guys and other skyfather level beings...even if he couldn't win. He has SO much magical firepower and immeasurable amounts of physical might, regardless of the PIS and outliers.
Thor@Oblivion looks like you think n52 superman can beat Thor. That's pretty funny. Rebirth Superman doesn't stomp, infinite pages feat is debunked 6 trillon times every day.
Superman (Post-Crisis) you didnt debunked a **** i stomped you every time we debate and infinite pages happened in post crisis era this is rebirth superman he does stomp go read it lol
Thor Lol, calm down @Oblivion. There's no need to get mad over other people's opinions. I personally think this could go either way, tbh, but I'm not completely saying Superman can beat Thor or Thor can beat Superman. Besides, it's not like one character can win all the time against another certain one. Try to have some respect for what the others think.
Thor@Oblivion Remember you started by calling this site full of ignorant Marvel fans. I voted Thor but I can see this going either way. I'm open to having my mind changed
Superman (Post-Crisis) yes i did bc theyre ignorant marvel fans im saying this generally,no offense ofc there are open minded people like you,but rn this site is full of ignorant fandiots who thinks thor beats supes bc of some horrendous claims ,perhaps due to their lack of knowledge about dc
Thor It's Mostly bc Superman is weak vs magic and He barley beat Thor in other dc and marvel crossover comics
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
Superman (Post-Crisis) You admit that supes beat thor
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman's weakness to magic isn't crippling he's just as vulnerable to magic as most other heroes. He's fought Shazam and Black Adam so Thor is nothing new.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Tyrannus Many people do. He would only be fighting against the odds if his opponent was equal to him or surpassed him AND possessed magic. A being with magic that Superman is above in power or speed would lose to Supes. He's only fighting the odds if the opponent is his equal or superior in every way and has magic. Since Thor is below Superman in more than one category, Supes is not fighting the odds here.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Also, he has a point. Even if it's the case that his opponent is his equal and has magic, it doesn't mean too much. Superman has faced Shazam, Black Adam, Doctor Fate, Phantom Stranger, Mordru, and Hawkman with the Claw of horus and came out in one piece. He won some of those fights too. Magic only hurts Superman, he can shrug it off.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Claiming magic is an automatic win makes no sense in the same way having krytonite isn't an automatic win. If his opponent was equal to or stronger than Superman, magic wouldn't be needed. Magic helps make up the difference however Thor is already more than a match for Superman. His magic just seals the deal.
Superman's also lost a considerable amount of times to magic users too so that doesn't help him. Magic can kill him
Thor Simple One has weaknesses and the other doesn't, Also one has a god level weapon and the other doesnt, also one has magic and the other is weak to magic simple
Thor What are Superman's advantages?
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Thor Superman is faster: he's equal to the Flash who can move at 14 trillion times the speed of light
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
Thor 1. How Flash is 14 trillons time faster than light? Any proofs? And Clark is slower than Flash (Barry Allen).
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
Thor 1. Tbh, @DarkWing that is pretty impressive. But Superman isn't as fast as him.
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Clint
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
Thor 1: what has Thor done that is faster?
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
Thor@MoP the GodBlast was a move that can kill Immortals like Skyfathers ie Odin who was stalemated Galactus and Galactus was hungry when Thor did that feat, it's not PIS. Thor didn't just beat Silver Surfer he went blow for blow with him being on par with him in speed.
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Thor@MoP do you know how strong godblast is? I have done some research, and I think God blast is at least universal (probably multi universal ) attack. And Thor has beaten SS, I mean he can beat a speedster means he can beat another. Thor's strength feats:
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
Thor Those calculations for the Midgard Serpent aren't accurate; they always ignore the fact that it's a magic shapeshifting being it's size has nothing to do with its weight, its weight is unknown.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
Thor@Dark_Wing okay listen:
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
Thor He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way, Supes is probably equal with him. His only advantage is godblast
Thor "He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way"
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Thor@Dark_Wing Did you read my comment? Dude, I ve written there thor has advantage is combat and experience. Others are about equal I have never said it is a stomp or Thor has every advantage. It very close so Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts.
Thor 1. Because combat and experience isn't going to do much in this battle.
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Thor "You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip."
Thor Is @ManofPower STILL trying to say Superman is more powerful than Thor? Even after our debate that I destroyed him in? As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't take his opinion seriously, guys.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Wow...lol @SirSpidey, Are we not allowed to have opinions bruh?
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
Thor "Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit."
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Ouch, That was a good one. I'll return the favor soon
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Thor What? Darkseid at his peak is far above universal, he's on the same level as Galactus and Odin and here's your proof: 1: during the New 52 JL run Darkseid was able to defeat the Anti Monitor who was amped by the Anti Life Equation which is relative to The Source 2: during Final Crisis his fall (keep in mind he was mortally injured before this) just his fall would have destroyed the entire DC multiverse 3: he's been able to get into the Source Wall which is extremely impressive when you know what the Source Wall is 4: he can wield the Anti Life Equation which is a piece of The Source 5: he's strong enough to one shot Allen Scott who harnessed ALL of The Green 6: he could casually ragdoll Pre Crisis Superman which is still canon to him because of how he works which is explained in Final Crisis. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Thor Dc And s superman fanbois, for your kind information superman isn't worthy, in jl/av crossover thor let him to held his hammer. But at the end superman isn't able to pick that hammer again. READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY
Superman (Post-Crisis) Here's the thing says the comics Thor will be weak and then become powerless within a minute away from his hammer also his electricity isn't magical enough to hurt him even though he's not any more vulnerable to magic than the average jo
Thor Bruh, Thor stopped having the Donald Blake identity in Thor #159 1960 where he became the full time God of Thunder and didn't even need Mjolnir to have his Thor powers.
not voted It's hard as hell. Thor is way more powerful than Superman, no doubt because he have powers like Transformation,Weather Control,Matter Manipulation,Thermo-blast,Energy Absorption,God Blast,Invisibility and Intangibility etc. And he is way more skilled in combat+ton of experience. He fought with Silver Surfer,who is faster than light and he can cross galaxies in seconds,so supes canno't really speedblitz him,it's just less possible scenario. Now Superman is way faster than Thor,cause he can reach speed of light easily, travel unthinkable speeds,and his is almost equal to Flash,so that will be a problem for God of Thunder. Supes also is probably stronger,because he can move entire solar system,lift 200 quntilion tons,lift infinity,his blows are creating shockwaves and he can create Infinity mass punch,Thor can lift 20 planets with one arm sure,but i don't really think that he be able to compete with supes with his bare strength alone,without his hammer. If he looking at Durability then it's close one,but i will give small edge to the Thor,because he doesn't have any weakness but Superman weakness are: Kryptonite,magic,red sun etc. And if Superman get's hit by GodBlast then it will most likely not survive it. It's close one but i will give 50/50 to the both,Thor can win in in certain circumstances if he will be prepared for supes speed and he will not holding back,and use his powers wisely. Superman can win if he will use his speed mostly do dodge Thor powerful attacks,and blows and cut lose for while to knock out thor by his strong blows.
Thor@Oblivion Superman's never been able to beat Black Adam or Dr Fate on earth 1. Superman's only ever been able to overcome Shazam by cheating or having help otherwise Shazam would kill him
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman is given the ability to fly, has extraordinary strength and is almost perfect, & Superman also has eyes that can fire hot lasers, can see from the largest size to microscopic or smallest size, can function as x-rays and radio waves
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Superman (Post-Crisis) Is that the best thing u can say?when u can't win a battle u say it's not cannon but still he's got the qualities of being worthy so stfu.
Superman (Post-Crisis) You say it's not cannon but even in this argument it's hasnt been clarified where this superman is cannon or not so it all counts.
Thor Even if it were canon, Thor still has the connection with the hammer. Even if Superman could lift it, Thor could take it away. It has 1 true wielder. But in the end, it's not canon. It was all fan voted for Christ sake.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman is worthy so he can pick thor's Hammer so this one goes to supes. Plus the thought robot(superman) got plot manipulation and y'all fan boy tell me how Thor can beat that? So superman got this victory easy.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Crossovers aren't canon and The Thought Robot is here: https://www.superherodb.com/superman-cosmic-armor/10-12516/
Aka, not in this battle.
Superman (Post-Crisis) You say it's not cannon but even in this argument it's hasnt been clarified where this superman is cannon or not so it all counts.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Well, aren't you just *pleasant.* Version of Superman or not, The Thought Robot isn't not the one in this battle. Also this Superman is Post-Crisis Superman, just so you know.
Thor white shark, STUPID READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY, SUPERMAN WASN'T WORTHY, IT WAS THOR WHO UNDERESTIMATED SUPERMAN AND LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER. BUT AT THE END THEY SHOWED THAY SUPERMAN WASN'T ABLE TO HELD THOR HAMMER IN HIS HAND. AT THAT TIME THOR TOLD SUPERMAN THAT HE HIMSELF LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER
Thor Some common knowledge for you apocalypse defeated a much younger Thor and that too can be considered as an outlier. It's like saying superman was knocked out by a supernova without knowing it was in his early days
Superman (Post-Crisis) Thor has greater striking power because of Mjolnir,has a more diverse power set and has much more combat experience. But Superman is much faster and people overstate how vulnerable he is to magic. He's weak to it but he's just as vulnerable to it as most heroes in DC.
Thor Superman Is a little stronger and faster, but Thor may be too durable and trained. It is one of the closest fights ever, but Thor barely takes the win.
Superman (Post-Crisis) There durability is pretty much even. Thor's combat experience is definitely an advantage but Superman's intelligence if often over looked. He can process information in a couple seconds that would take a supercomputer years. I love this fight though it's always sooo close I know I voted for Superman but either combatant has a great chance of winning.
not voted i have been studing andDC's Kryptonian hero used to be able to tow several planets back in the pre-crisis days - and he can still bench-press individual planets for days on end in the New 52 timeline - but classically he is capable of moving and cracking planets with great effort. He has held mini black holes in his hands, punched opponents into space and caught and thrown moon-sized spaceships.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
Thor Argubly each universe, Marvel and Dcs most powerful superheroes !
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
Thor I can see Thor winning this in a couple of ways. Since Superman's powered by the sun, Thor could summon a storm cloud to block out the rays. With the Gift of Forgetfulness, he can erase Superman memories or, since Superman has enhanced hearing, Thor could use the Mjolnir to create a deafening sonic boom.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
Superman (Post-Crisis) This is extremely close and Both sides have a strong chance of winning. But Superman edges out Thor 5.5 time out of 10. Superman has better lifting strength but Thor has slightly better striking strength because of Mjolnir. Superman is much faster than Thor but in combat it's slightly more even. Thor's powers are more diverse but Superman's vulnerability to magic isn't as crippling as some people portray it as considering he's regularly fought Shazam and Black Adam. Both have shown they can physically hurt the other and tank whatever blows they throw at each other. This is going to be a long and close fight but Superman edges it out barley.
Thor It is one of the closest matchs. But Thor is god. GOD! He has better combat and his powers isn't just big strengh. Thor is god of thunder and if he gets Odin force (death of superR.I.P.)
Superman (Post-Crisis) As far as I know, Superman was the one that defeated Thor in the only battle they had in an official Crossover. And it was in a 1v1 Battle. In fact, after Thor was defeated, other Marvel heavy hitters assembled in a group effort to punch Supes.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Did you saw supermans latest feat where he did a little sunbath moved at a speed beyond physics and cracked the 6th dimension and one shotted World forger AND destroyed dark multiverse lol
Thor I'm still saying Thor became of faster fighting, combat, more durable, and with Mjolnir he just barely gets the win. Superman is smarter, a little stronger and a little faster.
Thor Superman is a little stronger if we are going by comics. The three physically strongest heroes are 1. Superman 2. Hulk 3. Thor.
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
Thor Thor wins. it is a close fight, but he wins. Superman is a little stronger and faster. Thor is very fast. He caught up to Silver Surfer (who in my opinion is faster than Superman). Thor is so much better at combat and is much more experienced than Kal-El. Thor is a little more durable. He can God Blast him or just put the hammer on Superman.
Thor@Bane333
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Thor's lightning is not magical people, he uses magic to summon the lightning but the lightning itself is more physical, thus, it is a tickle for MoS.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
Superman (Post-Crisis) Actually sups is more durable, I ain't saying Thor is weak just saying sups is more durable, sups is better in every attribute except power and combat.
Thor@Bane333 Nope. Thor and Superman are equal in durability and strength. If anything, Thor is more durable and stronger. You also forgot that Thor has more versatility. Why are you underestimating the Odinson like this? So annoying.
Superman (Post-Crisis) You guys should read it. It came out a day ago, it says who would really win in a fight Superman or Thor. I couldn't find the verdict.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I agree.Thor will not win against Superman..Superman durability and strength surpass hulks and speed..again, Superman for God's sake can tow planets, blow the sun out with his breath and he's dangerous when he he sneezing could blow up a planet I think..he could move faster than speed of light.. Superman would be Thor's worst nightmare
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman is stronger in lifting strength, sups can lift at maximum strain 4 to 5 times the earths weight, Thor on the other hand can lift at maximum strain 1 to 1 and a half times the earths weight while hulk is around half the weight of the earth to maybe 1 maybe.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Even though he beat him of course he would. Thor wouldn't even see Superman coming if he has bad combat reaction time. So we can assume that Thor would be defeated because Superman is way too fast for Thor to handle.
Thor What are you talking about? "Thor having bad combat speed" Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, knocked out the Phoenix Force which travels at the speed of thought, tagged Quicksilver who can outrun a radio wave, and can dodge attacks from celestials. None of those sound like bad reaction feats to me.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I'm getting tiring of people saying he defeated Silver Surfer. I'm assuming that if Thor defeated the Silver Surfer he must have not used his combat he must have used his physical magicial Thunder whatever. I'm talking about combat where it's like hand to hand.
Thor Thor beat him and physical combat, you obviously have not read that comic. I'll give you this youtu.be/FiSIutHBB-0. a video from one of my favorite YouTubers.
Thor Other than admitting that captain America shield feat was an outlier, how else do you explain Thor keeping up with Silver Surfer and dodging attacks from celestials?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman wins this isn't Thor from Avengers Endgame. This is a different Thor, Superman can beat this Thor. Thor has bad combat reaction time. Plus Superman can dodge his Godblast
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman is more intelligent, strength, speed, durability, power. Combat same. Superman can also lift Thor's hammer look at the Dc Marvel crossover comic Superman vs Thor. Thor can't tap into the Odinforce
Thor Thor is WAY better at combat than superman and a little more durable, Thor said that odin made superman worthy, and Thor can use the god blast, use the elements of the Earth, or just put the hammer on him. Also, Thor is really fast, he has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver surfer before, superman is a little stronger and faster though.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman will defeat Thor without much effort and I don't even want to talk about the most powerful version of Superman. Rune King Thor will be nothing in front of cosmic armor superman.
Superman (Post-Crisis) it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman (Post-Crisis) it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@lord tracer compare Superman speed with silver surfer speed is laughable since superman has shown infinity and instant speed many times
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sure with speed like traveling when your walking and running Thor wins. But i'm talking about combat speed reaction time Thor is not faster than Wolverine dodging bullets.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@lordtracer you are biased as **** don't talk about a character you don't know superman was able to achieve infinity speed and if you were able to travel that well you are able tO react the things coming to you at infinity speed and reaction speed is part of combat speed again you have been downplaying Superman the guy have destroyed universes just with simple punches and pass through infinity realities through soulfire Darkseid who is omniversal through Emperor joker a character that was with mxy powers who is able to put a ******* multiverse in his hands and through the phantom stranger that was stated being impossible to do that and also I am not even using his durability that has his best feats so shut up and don't talk about a character you don't know
Superman (Post-Crisis) He didn't say anything about superman downplay in this comment section. So that doesn't make any sense for why you should be cussing.
Thor Thor is very underrated in speed. He has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver Surfer. Thor can probably manipulate elements of the Earth or God Blast Kal.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman can move more than the speed of light and mjolnir can move roughly at 770 miles per hour. So even if stormbreaker is sound speed, Thor can't defeat Thor in power and in JLA/Avengers crossover Superman defeated Thor easily. See:
Superman (Post-Crisis) Some people said Thor is equal or stronger than Superman..I highly doubt that.although he's extremely powerful and strong Superman speed, durability and strength are on a whole different level .. Superman pretty much is so fast he can travel thru time and he can tow planets together and prettying mu ch fky directly into the sun and not even get a tan.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I have underestimated Thor before, and I respect him a lot more than I did, but I just don't see a way past Superman's speed, durability, and strength. As much as I like Stormbreaker Thor from the MCU, I still have to go with Superman.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman maybe your favorite character but you now know if you think that nerfed version of Thor in the MCU can defeat Superman. Superman will win this battle in less than a minute even if we're being generous to Thor.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Intelligence - Superman
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Superman (Post-Crisis) (Agreed), that's sound about right except,
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I agree 100%,Superman can move close to speed of light and Thor won't see him coming also Superman's durability and strength way surpasses Thor's,even Thor is crazy strong and durable but not on Superman levels.. sorry Superman takes this in 30seconds
Thor superman maybe smarter
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
Thor Superman is faster, Thor is marginally stronger and more durable, and a much better combatant. But none of that matters because Thor can drain radiation. Solar radiation. Which means he can depower good old supes. Of course even without depowering I still think Thor would win.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Magic isn't a weakness of Superman. He's just vulnerable to it. Much like a plethora of other characters. Their strength is about even, but Superman is quicker, and faster. I'm taking Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Thor has superspeed too. And Thor can make superman vulnerable with magic. His lightning bolts will be able to strike superman down and if he put magic in it that could harm superman a bit. Then he can just put Mjolnir on his chest keeping Superman their. Now he can't do anything and Thor can take him out.
Thor Thor has magic which is one of superman's weaknesses. Also he has Mjolnir which superman can't lift so if thor can get superman down to the ground all he has to do is put Mjolnir on his chest and then he won't be able to get up.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Although Thor is one of the strongest superheroes he cannot beat Superman, Superman can pretty much take on ironman, captain America,hulk and Thor at once..he is just too powerful..I'm a huge hulk fan too more than Superman but he's too much for them
Superman (Post-Crisis)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTGk-pgTnw Superman has more super Strength, more durable, way more powerful, more intelligence, and he can just go near the sun to get stronger.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Need feats for that though. All I know of now is that Superman is faster than Thor, but they are equals in strength and durability. Thor has the combat, experience, and versatility advantage.
Thor I may seem biased here because thor is my favorite character but Superman is faster and stronger Thor is a better fighter has better armor and last time i checked Superman was weak to magic that if why thor has a 51 percent chance of winning in my opinion
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy.
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Another theory, in Marvel and DC's 1996 Crossover event, Superman did lift Thor's hammer and use it. It wasn't canon, but it would be pretty awesome to see Superman catch Moljnier in mid air, and use it against Thor. Honestly this fight could go anyway. Remember, Superman is a power harvester so he could in theory absorb all of Thor's powers, leaving him completely and utterly useless. You mentioned taking Superman to Asgard and I agree that if Thor has the home field advantage he will defeat Superman. Thor draws his powers from Asgard, and when exposed to Asgard, he draws a lot more powers that I understand Superman couldn't handle. Not to mention, Thor would have all his Asgardian buddies to help pummel Superman. Same for Supes. If Superman and Thor are fighting in front of a yellow star, who you suppose will win? Not to mention, Superman is much faster than Thor, and his heat vision can exceed to over 50,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (27,777,760 degrees Celsius), making it capable of burning through Thor completely cutting him in half! In the end, I think without home advantages Base Superman wins.
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy. Plus, Thor can absorb the energy from Superman with Mjolnir, maybe even depowering him with it. Plus, Thor can withstand Superman's freeze breath as he has survived the Casket of Ancient Winters unleashing its frostbitten power upon him. Plus, Thor can also control the elements on a fundamental level, even transmuting them in any way he wants.
Thor Superman Prime 1 Million beats Thor- I agree, no way around that- but then, you need a more powerful version of Thor like Odin-Force or King Thor, and those guys beat SPOM- Not even including Old King Thor or Rune King Thor.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@AkhilPDX, Go read "All-Star Superman" where in the story it tells us that Supe's power's triple every 15 minutes he spends in the sun. He spent around 15,000 years in our sun. So that's 4x24(365)x15,000=525,600,000. It would be N(3^525,600,000)= infinity which tells us every physical trait of Superman is boosted by infinity! Also, I agree that Superman is weakened by magic, but so is Thor. Supes has also gotten so powerful that kryptonite and magic doesn't even affect him. "Powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space. Powers beyond any HELD by ANY metahuman EVER". SPOM is immortal and is a "power harvester". This means he can harvest the powers of any living organism (including Rune King Thor) and use it against them. If his powers are growing, then there is no limit to his power. In theory, SPOM will someday be the strongest character in comic book history. Remember, take my words lightly, for it is just my opinion
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Thor@Dan_the-Man? Come on, Thor beats Superman. He is equally strong and durable, and with Mjolnir- he hits harder. Did you know that Thor can even transmute matter, manipulate the weather, absorb and manipulate energy, create force-fields, disrupt invisibility and intangibility, absorb magic, and transmute the elements on a subatomic level. Yeah, he can also use the God-Blast which can hurt Galactus and he has the Anti-Force which is Magical Energy which can take out multiple people at once and even devastate entire armies? Do you still think Supes beats Thor?
Superman (Post-Crisis)@AkhilPDX, There's a couple different ways to think about it. At base forms, Superman beats Thor, but you bring up Thor at his peak strength. Superman Prime 1 Million which can break planets with ease, can hold black holes in his hands, break light speed,and go much faster, (mach 9350)! Remember, it's just my opinion, while Thor does have a chance of winning, I do believe Superman has a better chance.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman in Raw strength, speed, durability.
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Thor I actually change my mind, I think I have overrated superman way too much... I think Thor would win cause he is an actual god, Superman is just a hero who has his weeknesses
Superman (Post-Crisis) "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes." That's the definition of a god so technically isn't Superman also a god? You also bring up the fact Superman is just a hero with weaknesses, yet Thor is also a hero, and Thor also has weaknesses which proves that your argument is false, and from my understanding, you're very ignorant on the subject.
Thor He isn't really ignorant, but yeah, Superman CAN beat Thor, but I don't think it'll happen the majority of the times. Superman is just an alien, not the hybrid between a Skyfather and an Elder Goddess. Thor has some really good divine benefits from their traits, so I think he'll win because he can use his magic to use against the vulnerability of Kryptonians, which will work if used in the right way.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Final Crisis #7
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
Superman (Post-Crisis) It never specify Superman anywhere its talking about every crisis ever made if you think I'm I'm lying go readcomicsonline and look up the comic justice league new 52 #40
Superman (Post-Crisis) It not talking about superman it's every single event that happened and also final crisis superman is the same Superman which is pre crisis superman just depowered
Thor Every single event that happened in DC is canon I know whatever, point is, you can't use Final Crisis feats because that's not the version of Superman we're using. If we allowed Final Crisis feats we also have to allow any feat that Superman has ever done, which isn't how we've been doing it. Same for every character on the site
Superman (Post-Crisis) post crisis superman is final crisis superman the writers don't say it I've checked this website this is base Superman who also infinite crisis,identity crisis and final crisis this is the superman of all those crisis.
Thor 1. It's not specified on the site itself, but ask any debater on here. Everyone uses a composite of Pre/Post-Crisis
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
Thor What? OK, let me prove you wrong
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
Thor Omfg, we're going in circles here. THIS IS POST/PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN! Or at least what people on the site consider canon. (And even Post-Flashpoint but the majority of heroes are weaker then so those feats are not required.) Get that through your head.
Superman (Post-Crisis) it doesn't say anything on this sight about what version of Superman this is it the new superman post/new 52/convergence/infinite crisis/final crisis/zero hour/pre crisis/and flashpoint this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one he,s the main one from rebirth right now prove me wrong on this.
Thor Omg. Seriously. If you are just going to keep repeating yourself just quit the debate. Now let me repeat for the 31st time. No, it is not specified on the site, however, if you actually got into debates, you would know that everyone uses the Pre/Post-Crisis versions. Superman beating True Form Darkseid would possibly put him above IG Thanos, which obviously isn't true. So not only is it not canon but even if it was canon, it would be PIS. " this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one". Yes but no one on the site uses that Superman. We've moved on from the conversation of whether it's canon or not, and we're now talking about what people on the site use. Now, you said "stop saying he,s most powerful one" 1. Huh? What are you talking about? I never said anything even related to that. And 2. Please try to spell better so I can understand your sentences.
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Superman (Post-Crisis) I never said he was the powerful version I said final crisis is canon that what said and that this main canon Superman since rebirth and everything is canon
Superman (Post-Crisis) I never said they can't have supes power . They can't becomevas power as he is . Man of Steel isn't apart of the canon DC Multiverse
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
Part 1
Thor People please put your bias aside here. Superman is a Kryptonian, an alien race, he is not special. Any kryptonian could be superman. Thor is a God. Born of Odin the all father of Asgard and Gaea the elder earth goddess making him the strongest being in the universe. Thor alone shares many of superman traits matching his strength not matching his speed but is a 10x better combatant. This is shown when superman fought batman and while superman lost his powers temporarily from kryptonite he was getting wrecked. Superman just benefits from our sun. on krypton he like all kryptonians were as human as can be. Now add Mjolnir to the equation. It has the force to crack a celestials skull. Celestials are god like universal entities like galactus. Now Thor only uses 1/3 of his total power against mortals and superman is mortal because he has been killed before and even for fear of his own life would never use all his power against a mortal. BUT if Thor is enraged enough to enter into a state of warriors madness he would no longer be holding back at all and not only this but warriors madness increases Thors strength tenfold now Thor is twice as strong than superman in warriors madness but at Thors belt megingjord which Thor always wears and that doubles all of Thor strength and speed. Now you have plain old super and Thor enraged and quadrupling his total power level. Its complete annihilation of superman. And say Thor doesn't choose this route? Can summon a storm with cloud thick enough to black super precious sun and wreck him this way. What can super do to win? Speed isn't enough here and really isn't even a factor to begin with. If you possibly think superman wins this fight you're to selfish to put your feelings aside and wake up to reality.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Dude do you know who supetman even is .
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
Thor First yes any kryptonian can possess the powers of supes as seen in man of steel with zod hell even Ursa whipped supes. second faster yes but Thor can track objects at light speed and strength is pretty even if you look at each of their feats such as for Thor lifting the Midgard serpent which wraps around the earth. Third Thor has destroyed silver surfers force field and hell even dented his head, Thor defeated the sentry and killed bob Reynolds removing the threat of the void and Thor matched hulks strength for an hour before the battle ended in a stale mate. and Hercules and Thor threw a planet out of orbit while arm wrestling before that ended in a stalemate. As for super beating darkseid batman also shares this feat so lets dial back the gravity of that. Thor mortally wounded galactus with a god blast and sent him fleeing so why the hell would a god blast not take out supes. Thor defeated mangog and thanos back to back and also fought the entire frost giant army for 9 months straight without rest or sustenance. Thor knocked out the phoenix force, knocked out namor with a single punch and namor has even held his own against the hulk and sentry. But enough about feats. Thor possesses all of superman strength while lacking slightly in speed and while not having heat vision or freeze breathe give me mjolnir over those everyday except the ones that don't end in "Y" but superman is susceptible to magic. He has had trouble dealing with Shazam and has lost to black Adam. Thors attacks are all magic based obviously not the strikes but the lighting is summoned by magic. Thors only weakness is that he overlooks his opponent at times but he wouldn't overlook superman, well the avengers/jla crossover he did but that cant considered canon. Thor is almost tailored to be able to defeat superman in everyday. Especially since super has lost to doomsday from a stab wound and not any sort of kryptonite removing the fact that kryptonite isn't required to beat superman
Superman (Post-Crisis) Really? There's still people who believe that Slowdinson garbage? Thor is not slow in the slightest. Dude is thousands of times faster than light.
Thor 1. Thor hasn't really lost to someone because of speed
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
Superman (Post-Crisis) yes i heard of a God blast and i dont mean superman cannot be affected by he can,, so can everyone else just dat people always say it like its kryptonite and superman has survive a supernova whilst being weakened by a red sun.. but not sayin' he will tank it unharmed
Superman (Post-Crisis) Galactus has much more than multi-galaxy level durability. And Superman once destroyed a structure that withstood the Big Bang, which would give him universal levels of power, far more than multi-galaxy level.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Also too in comic 649 the final panel shows not just prime eart or earth 2 superman fighting its shows every other version fighting in the back ground It's every superman version in every reality fight to so it's the same fight.
Superman (Post-Crisis) i believe, irrespective of magic, superman wins,,i mean??? his faster, definitely stronger and has more endurance. and magic is not a weak ness, its a vulnerability!!! it just means he can be affected by it,,just like every one else. and its not as if Thor is pure magic,,he powers are mostly physical and he has used lightning on stark before but only normal damage was done,,and remember tony can be affected by magic,,even in the comics,,superman won,,,i mean,,all the odds are stacked against Thor...superman wins
Thor 1. Superman beating Thor was non-canon
2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman is an alien "man"! Thor is the "God of Thunder". But don't worry they will create "Superman 1 Billion" and "Superman Armor of Infinity" etc, etc until he is the most boring God of all Superheros.
Superman (Post-Crisis)@SirSpidet even though I'm not even clos to done with my research do you want to do a warm up .(I want actual feats and not that beyonde **** bro)
Superman (Post-Crisis) you don't know? RK Thor defeated a group of celestial beings that SirSpidey calls Beyonders (Those who site above in the Shadow)
Thor Did you not read what it said on the bottom of the page?
"Take note, True Believer! This crowd-sourced content has not yet been verified for accuracy by our erudite editors!"
Superman (Post-Crisis)@SirSpidey and? Like you said every time I want comic book evidence! You can't prove nothing.RKT can be easy defeated by Eternity.And No were writers say TWSAIS are The Beyonders.
Thor Superman potentially has the advantage in speed, though I doubt it's vastly different than Thor's, Thor is just not often seen using it or relying on it. Thor is basically Marvel's Superman (of course there are other imitations like Sentry and Hyperion) and was created because Marvel needed someone who could rival the Hulk's strength. Between the two of them Superman has all of the disadvantages though (need to absorb electromagnetic radiation or photons from the yellow end of the spectrum from our white sun and weakness or loss of powers near other radiation [kryptonite, "red sunlight"], and not invulnerable to magic) so if I'm thinking of who would win anytime, anyplace it's Thor, because if Superman is away from our sun long enough eventually he'd lose his powers and even with his powers they're on the same level (we're not even talking about Odinforce Thor or Rune King Thor) . Also, Thor has more experience & is a better combatant...and he lives for the fight, he was bred to be a warrior king...and Supes?...they call him the Big Blue Boy Scout
Thor Hey, look over there! It's Thor knocking over Galactus! - http://i.imgur.com/WSKJMwx.jpg He just did it again! - http://i.imgur.com/b7Cwf25.jpg Oh, look... it's Superman moving some clouds... - http://i.imgur.com/n8xwbu5.jpg
Thor Hey, what is Thor doing over there? Really? He just defeated Galactus within one blast? Amazing! (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oh13ASSw_Z4/VnpeYkHYT7I/AAAAAAAAPr4/QP74nFgKcLs/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg)
Thor Can anyone prove, using the comics, that Superman would defeat Thor? I have yet to see one person do so. Or just give me a list of his greatest feats and we can compare them to Thor's
Superman (Post-Crisis) Thor had trouble against chars like Wolverine, Cap. America and Black Panther over the years cuz of combat speed. And Superman is far far faster, responsive and precise all of those street levelers. Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too. Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman. Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts. Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter. Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic. I'll go with the Supe
Thor After doing some research, this is a tough fight. Though thor has his magic and superior experience to Superman, Superman has fought Diana and Shazam, characters with magic and superior experience(not shazam). But thor is superior to these guys too. So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Over all I like Superman far better then Thor as a character but like should have nothing to do with deciding fight. So looking at both of them this is close. Superman has the speed advantage and Thor's main advantage is magic abilities. This is very close but I give to Thor. Main reasoning is he matches Superman in many areas since taking over as ruler of Asguard, also he is a better combatant with years more experience and has extremely powerful magic abilities.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman is faster then lightspeed to. Just depends on the writer. He has also beaten Thor in a cross over. Superman has the advantage in this.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Thats irrelevant. If you are talking feats then you pull what is considered fun, sells well and what people remember. The cannon argument does not work since this site literally has JL and Avenergers battle. But aside from that if you look at default Superman and Default Thor, Superman has the edge in every area. Honeslty I think a better match up would be Thor vs Wonder Woman, with Thor having the advantage.
Thor That cross over is before Thor took over as leader of Asguard and far less powerful. Thor now has held is own against Galactus and fought the likes of Silver Surfer. While I believe this would be very close I do think Thor takes this barely.
Superman (Post-Crisis) So you are saying its Thor once he became leader of Asgard. So we are not going default settings of these characters. Then a counter argument would be pre-52 Superman. He still has the advantage. This comes down to each characters limits and Thor clearly has more then Superman does.
Thor Thor fights Silver Surfer to stand still he has held his own for a time against Galactus. His magical capabilities or all at or neat cosmic levels and he has been fighting for centuries. Look I love Superman way better character then Thor but I to fan influences out and only looked at abilities. I do believe this could go either way fight is very very close but Thor would win. However I do also see your reasoning for Superman
Thor Thor has fought the Silver Surfer 6 times and won 4 and tied 2 due to outwardly intervention. He is vastly more superior to Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer even admitted that Thor's Magic is stronger than his Power Cosmic. And Thor didn't just hold his own against Galactus, Thor literally defeated Galactus within one blast
Thor Thor would win 8/10 times, yes superman has speed but don't forget Thor has fought many people who where faster than than him and won, plus Mjornir is faster than light speed which would be a massive boost on Thor winning, and then again Thor has magic which is one of superman's main weakness, then gold blast would just be able to finish him, I like both characters but Thor would Just obliterate him
Thor I do not think Thor would win that easily and think 6/10 times is more likely. Superman would use his speed advantage and would not pull punches against Thor. But I believe Thor would win for reasons you listed combat experience and magic capabilities
Thor Superman is without a doubt one of the strongest ever. Thor on the other hand just has the advantage. Thor has beaten Shazam in the DC Marvel Crossover and that was when Shazam was regarded as equal or stronger than Superman. Super also has a weakness to magic, and Thor's entire attack strategy is based on his magic lightning and his magic hammer, Mjornir. Supes can speed blitz but Thor has been recorded moving at light speed. Eventually they'd reach a red sun which is also a weakness of Superman. Yes, Superman could win. There's just a better chance for Thor.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Stops the Brainiac Mothership from colliding with Earth, with the help of Martian Manhunter, which was huge Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite Casually carries a submarine Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth Lifts a ship Hits Wraith with a large ship
Thor Lol, "casually carries a submarine". A submarine is NOTHING. Thor has reversed the world engine, which was moving Yggdrasil. the tree that connects the 9 worlds - http://i.imgur.com/NBmQa8j.jpg - Also, speaking of casually, a casual throw of Mjolnir hurt Galactus, who has around galaxy level durability. Now, what do you think is more impressive, harming Galactus who has galaxy level durability, or lifting a submarine, which would have been around 40,000 - 50,000 tons. As for your other feats, none of them equal to harming Galactus - http://i.imgur.com/1WpCk32.jpg
Thor People need to get over the popularity contest that people make this match out to be. One is a god for a reason. Thor lived in the center of the sun and fought the FROST GIANTS for 9 months straight so that virtually removes the advantages of supes heat vision and freeze breath. Thors hammer is the most devastating weapon from either dc or marvel universes. Its abilities alone outmatch supermans all together. Thor has also fought and defeated celestial beings before so superman wouldn't even be Thors toughest opponent he's ever faced. Thor has also fought the likes of silver surfer and has defeated him and he can move as fast or maybe even faster than superman so the speed difference between the two wouldn't be a huge factor. Finally and I don't think anyone has ever taken this into consideration is that Thors weather manipulation can block the sun with the clouds which is supes source of strength and I'm not even mentioning the possibility that thor gets his hands on kryptonite. Listen i love superman and his selflessness is awe inspiring but this is one match the man of steel doesn't walk away from.
Thor First off, Thor has been shown to move faster than FTL speeds. Being able to reguarly travel across the 9 realms without the bifrost in a short amount of time. Not to mention the 9 realms are totally separate universes, so that means he can move a lot faster than FTL speeds. He has godlike stamina, as he has fought an army of frost giants for 9 months without getting tired. He has thousands of year of experience, weapons training and has the ability to exploit his opponents weaknesses to his advantage. He has also headbutted the Silver Surfer which actually dented him. While Thor only had a bruise
Superman (Post-Crisis) Well superman has survived Darkseid s omega beams , he has held together a universe , he has sneease away a solar system , he has defeated the Jla and he's defeated shazam who is similar to thor
Thor Shazam is nowhere near on Thor's level. And also, I think fighting an army of frost giants for nine months is better than one blast of Darkseid's omega beams. Thor also has the Warrior Madness. An ability which he rarely uses but allows him to go berserk for a couple of minutes which would let him utterly destroy Thor. The god blast and the magic is enough for Superman
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeah CV can be pretty toxic at times and their formatting wasn't the greatest. The site also kind of looked dull in general. I drifted away from that site years ago.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I would have to say that the two attacks are about equal in destructive power, although the Omega beams are capable of more things then the God blast. Superman not surviving the god blast would be correct, due to the fact that he is not invulnerable to Magic.
Thor Oh, like the Omega Beams being incapable of killing aliens like Superman, while the Godblast is shown being capable of defeating beings like Galactus?
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Spidey you are correct the Omega Beams are much much weaker than godblast The Godblast has harmed galactus (Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
Thor I can only laugh on those DC fan boys who think Superman will win bcz Superman cant even beat SHAZAM... If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God... Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
Thor@InfiniteDestruction I can tell we are going to get along very well. I also read your profile, and I can near guarantee you that if that happens I will do my best to help you out. Welcome to the site :)
Thor Thanks man! But I wouldn't worry I've been on here before for about a week a year ago and I don't know why I just stayed other than have to deal with that crap on CV.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeyah also y'all can call me @Mop so it shortens my name With that being said @Infinitedestruction do you want to join the varosverse
Superman (Post-Crisis) It's never been officially determined, but I think the most fair way is to count Superman as a mix of Pre and Post-Crisis. Oh, and by the way, this is Odin Force Thor.
Thor@SirSpidey If this battle were to actually take place, how would you truthfully see it going down? Do you think it'll last for awhile or do you believe Thor simply destroys him early? I'm genuinely curious since this seems to be the most popular battle on this site.
Thor It would be a complete and utter godstomp. That is if Thor wasn't holding back. If Thor were to hold back, It would take longer, but it would still be a stomp
Superman (Post-Crisis) No it would not be a godstomp, Thor has been overwhelmed multiple times by Beta Ray Bill, at the time Bill was no more powerful then Superman.
Thor Beta Ray Bill is vastly more powerful than Superman. While Superman can only shake a single planet with his punches, Beta Ray Bill completely destroys them in one go. As for Thor vs Beta Ray Bill, there first encounter was not fair as Thor was still in communion with his mortal form Donald Blake, so if Thor were to be separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds, he would turn into Donald Blake. Unfortunately, Thor did get separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds which caused Thor to turn into Donald Blake, as previously mentioned, so Beta Ray Bill took advantage and knocked Donald Blake out. In there second encounter, Thor was without Mjolnir and Beta Ray Bill had the advantage because his body was more acclimated to the environment that they were fighting in
Superman (Post-Crisis) As I said at the time Beta Ray Bill was no more powerful than Superman, and I do believe it was only after Stormbreaker that Bill was capable of destroying planets.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Everyone saying Thor is a god is WRONG. Thor is a DEMI-GOD (HALF HUMAN, HALF GOD) Superman is Kryptonian. 0% Human. He is a superior life-form. Superman wins. Literally in strength, speed, combat, Abilities and in everything! Superman doesn't have a weakness against lightning and thunder. So....??? SUPEY WINS
Superman (Post-Crisis) I don't know what Marvel comics you've been reading, but Thor is zero percent human. Thor is fifty percent Asgardian and fifty percent Elder God.
Thor Superman doesn't have a weakness to regular lightning, but he does have a weakness to magic. Thor's lightning IS magic. Superman is weak to it, therefore he would lose.
Thor There are more than only three ways Thor could win. That is an ignorant statement @remy94. In which comic does it state that Superman is immune to magic if he has the Sun?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Literally Superman. Anyone can hold Mjolnir who is true of heart and Wonder Woman was one of the heroes who actually was able to carry it and Superman too on the DC x Marvel crossover. Plus thor's Weakness is piercing weapons. Superman wins.
Thor I change my mind on this battle all the time. I'm sure my mind will change to Thor in a couple days and i'm pretty sure I'll never have a definitive answer in a while
Thor Thor is more versatile, has more abilities, with Mjolnir attacks stronger than Superman and his energy projection is far superior to Superman, but Superman's combat speed is higher. Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Thor I think the issue is DC just constantly reboots/ recons Superman, so @SirSpidey excuses most arguments that are made. Which isn't a bad thing. However if Pre-Crisis Superman was included/ cannon I am sure people could think of a lot more arguments for Superman.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman (Post-Crisis) First I have come back for one purpose and one purpose only. To prove @SirSpidey wrong that Superman is weak. I respect Thor and I give him a lot of credit, like beating Galactus. I will use canon comic book references to give you a list of feats that will prove to all of you that Superman is not as weak as @SirSpidey makes out. I will start as soon as @SirSpidey replies to me.
Thor It's not that Superman is weak, it's just that his strength isn't comparable to that of Thor's. Superman's greatest feat of strength is benching the weight of the mere Earth for five days straight. I have done the math and that would come out to be 2.6 octillion tons that Superman was lifting. So while you can actually calculate Superman's greatest feat of strength, there is no possible way to calculate Thor's greatest feat of strength as you would have to figure out how many planets are in the Universe and know how much they way
Superman (Post-Crisis) Ok put strength on the side for now. I will start with durability. Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level) www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/pc-superman-even-can-survival-big-bang-1456568/ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004635-enduresentirecreation.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004637-enduresentirecreation2.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004636-enduresentirecreation1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004634-2908743-action553_22.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004639-survivesbigbang1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004638-survivesbigbang.jpg
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman fights Blackstarr, an extremely powerful cosmic reality warper, and tanks the force of a million galaxies. We can calculate the "force of a million galaxies" in many ways. When Blackstarr says the "force of a million galaxies", she most likely means force, in newtons, equivalent to the mass of 1 million galaxies. So we can use Work = Force x Distance to obtain a figure for the feat. (Yield: 2.0704806066321756E59 J, Galaxy Cluster Level+) Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg. Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth. http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr5.jpg.html http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr6.jpg.html
Thor@Darth_Doom: Well for starters, you cannot use the Avengers/Justice League crossovers as evidence because those are not canon. As for the speed of Thor, a ton of people like to reference the time Thor had trouble with Wolverine because that is one of the very few low showings of Thor. It was indeed plot induced stupidity considering the fight took place in Thor vs Wolverine and the only way to please the audience (or Wolverine fanboys) was to make Thor extremely less powerful than he usually is. Lastly, Thor on foot can go faster than light. Thor with the help of Mjolnir can go at speeds that transcend time. That is my opinion on the matter, but I can back it up with comic book evidence if need be
Thor Ok did you look at it on the site i have you if so I give up i can't win the debate I've been doing this for some days now first with @IMABATA N 42 THEN you I just can't win it also are we cool No hard fellings
Thor Ok and do you play last of us my dad might play with you I don't feel like playing it right now but he might also I'm trying to get him to join superherodb he's a giant Batman fanboy
Superman (Post-Crisis) It's absolutely incredible. One of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had, I've played the story at least 7 times and it keeps getting better. I honestly envy you since you get to experience it for the first time whenever you play it.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Damn you're lucky too, I can't put into words how great 'The Last of Us', it easily is one of the best stories ever told in gaming.
Thor I could have played it I've watched my dad play it numerous times I just don't like story mode but I m might try it and how excited are you about tlou 2 and do you know that lasts of us is one of the most popular games ever up their with a certain mari o game
Thor@DarkProdigy: While canon Thor decimates beings like Galactus, the Void, a more powerful version of Odin, and even Thanos who was so amped he was equal to Death in power, non-canon Thor gets beat by mere aliens like Superman
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Darth_Doom Damn you have no idea excited I am for The Last of Us 2. Beyond excited, hell like I said I can't put it into words. I've been waiting 5 years for the sequel and yeah whenever you get the chance play the story it's a once in a lifetime experience.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Yes there is no need to kick I'm off the site, he just needs to rethink his approach when he comments, and start respecting other people's opinions.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sirspidey yeah good idea for my advice you can start not replying on the people that don't use facts about this battle but reply on the people who actually issue the comic for evidence.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Darth_Doom Why would Galactus kick him off? I'm not trying to get into this but I don't believe he should be kicked off the site just for debating. I mean this site is supposed to fun not sure why you want him off.
Thor By kick him off i mean straighten him off and he was to cussing @Remy94 out and talking about a second account t is not debating it's trying to get under his skin and I already said this he has no respect he always has to be right but I don't want him off the server i just want him to stop being disrespectful to us (not me)
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor My brother wants to know why flash beats sonic i say it's because flash is better in all feats but can you say why so me a nd him don't start please thnks
Thor Raven as shazam And Mr myxzptlk are except for shazam more powerful than thorn in magic And what what about ra iden dark Khan black ada m Zhao Khan and so on
Thor Raven definitely doesn't have more powerful magic. Shazam has equal magic in base but Thor's hammer definitely gives him the edge. If Mr. Mxyzptlk was actually serious in a fight with Superman, Superman would stand no chance whatsoever, Mxy could literally think him away. Do you mean the Mortal Kombat characters, dude, that was a video game. Black Adam may be slightly more powerful than Shazam, but it still doesn't matter. Keep em coming, I can do this all day.
Thor And I know she has defeated him before but what about wonder woman magic wonder woman defeated Thor and Diana has more magic and yeah I can keep going to @IMABATMAN42
Thor *Screaming on the inside* Why do you keep mentioning Death Battle?!? They do not use even an ounce of factual evidence, literally all they do is say things and expect you to believe them. Look at this for example https://goo.gl/images/KtLsNE if you zoom in on Goku's base speed it is actually greater than it is in SS1, proof that Death Battle did their calculations wrong. Yeah Diana has magic, not projectile magic, like Thor's but she has a magic weapon, that can, wait for it, CUT THROUGH KRYPTONIAN'S. http://imgur.com/a/xOBXe
Thor 😦🔫 i have no other people left to try and stump you i give up but wait a second this match isn't about Canon this is about overall but your opinion is yours my opinion there hahahahahahaha i enjoyed debating with you my friend 😀😃😁😃😁
Thor Wait a second you just said something that means I win you said Diana atom sword cuts through kryptonians just like can barbarians and other beings that means superman can lobotomize Thor and win
Thor 😤😰😣😥😣😧😱😲😵😷👻 i give up this debate is driving me nuts i can't take it no more y'all no more than I in comic books and I just give up😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😁😁😁😁
Thor Lmao I just can't keep debating I'm going so I don't know as much but come on I'm not stupid i know their common and uncommon known powers Thor has been seen dead by deadpool so I'm just done debating about this match
Thor Ok you're not thinking about the time the heat vision would take to reach Thor, by then Thor would have moved, quite a bit actually. Superman will have no choice but to fight him head on, a fight that he will eventually lose. Also, when has Superman ever used this ability, other than that one movie.
Thor I'm a couple comics actually but I don't remember the names but I remember reading them and also be has done this on doomsday and since superman has the strength advantage what if he holds Thor down to do it
Thor On my God I just saw a comic book that ultrama n lifted the book by himself but still what about a black hole he's held one with his hands and black holes by my knowledge are infinit e density
Thor Superman has lifted INFINITY AND ETERNITY HE HAS DESTROYED PLANETS BEFORE AND HAS HELD A BLACK HOLE BEFORE SUPERMAN HAS SURVIVED MAGIC ATTACKS FROM BEINGS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN THOR
Thor First off, the black hole Superman was holding was a SPECK, a SPECK that he was struggling to hold, a SPECK that only had the gravitational pull of a small planet, at most. Oh, look, here's Thor breaking out of a gravitational pull the same as a neutron star, http://imgur.com/PnBvsUE. He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Thor Superman and Wonder Woman failed to stop Spectre from falling to the Earth and Superman DID NOT lift the Book of Infinite Pages. It was ULTRAMAN who lifted it
Thor No. The first attempt was indeed by Superman and Shazam who couldn't even budge the book. Fanboys just like to twist what the comic conveys to fit their fanboyistic desires. That is the only reason you hear people say Superman lifted an infinite amount of weight. However, the second attempt was by Ultraman who managed to actually carry the book to the Ultima Thule, a task Superman and Shazam were physically incapable of doing
Thor K thought you guys were done but remember Imabatman superman can focus on the flash moving faster than light speed Thor normally can not to faster than light on earth
Thor Superman has never hit the Flash with his heat vision, it's just not fast enough. And everyone keeps saying that Superman can dodge Thor's Godblast, but Thor can do the same to Superman's heat vision, as they are both a one direction beam. Superman also doesn't go faster than light on the Earth, as it would destroy it.
Thor Okay, let me repeat myself, a theme that is very common with you @remy94, nothing has proven to be able to even harm Thor's brain physically. So try again
Thor Shall I repeat myself again? Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lasers ain't gonna do shit to Thor. Lol, "there is no reason this attack wouldn't hurt Thor." Whatever kid
Thor Remy Sirspidey shut up theirs no reason to arguing on here like this there kids on this site Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
Superman (Post-Crisis) This battle could very well be over before it began, Superman could just lobotomize Thor just by looking at him. "Heat vision focused through your pupil like a scalpel, instant lobotomy" -Superman
Thor Your basically forgetting that they'll both be zipping around the battle field, and Superman won't have time to focus his heat vision, if he's constantly getting pounded into the ground by Thor, at Mach speeds.
Thor I can agree I'm selling him a bit short, but what I meant is that Superman won't be able to concentrate with Thor fighting him, on near equal terms at very fast speeds. Labotomy would not work. So he would have to resort to a physical battle, one that, in time, he would lose thanks to his disadvantage, he is "weak" to magic.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I'm pretty sure during some point in the battle these two characters are going to make eye contact. Plus as long as Superman has sunlight, magic isn't going to effect him.
Superman (Post-Crisis) In the New 52 Shazam's magic had absolutely no effect on Superman, but even if Thor was able to harm Sups, he'll just heal instantly.
Thor Dude, you're wanking Superman to oblivion, I mean the dude struggled to destroy the shadow moon, which is only a star level feat. Besides, and this is a major plot hole, Thor could just destroy the sun. Speaking of that, why have none of Superman's villains destroyed the sun, just to get rid of Superman?
Superman (Post-Crisis) Superman has a lot greater feats than destroying a moon, Clark has destroyed entire dimensions, and has held a black hole in his hands. Even if Thor was capable of destroying the sun (Which he wouldn't because that would be the end of earth) Sups could very well instantly fly to the first star he sees.
Thor@IMABATMAN42 Are you seriously using Superman's Shadow Moon feat as his greatest feat? You're only trying to lowball Superman so you can suck off Goku. But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
Thor Yeah, I know Shadow Moon isn't his best feat, it's actually one of his worst, and that's why I bring it up in my arguments, as the force of him doing that, KNOCKED HIM OUT. And he struggled, struggled, to do that, a star level feat, he struggled to accomplish a star level feat. While Thor is easily Solar System+, and Goku is easily universal+.
Thor Tell me what rest has Thor lifted infinity and also superman has supported infinity an eternity superman beats hulk Thor goku saitama and avenger why would Thor be stronger than superman and he is no we're close superman has faced to a distant star and back i n about 10 b notes Thor has not Thor relies on teleportation so MMH can beat Thor keep it coming I can do this all day
Thor Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lazers ain't going to do shit to Thor. Also, @remy94, when did Superman destroy a dimension?
Thor Ok I guess Jonathan is offline so I'll debate with y'all and Remy superman won't lose to God blast because juggernaut just shook God blast off and superman durability is better than juggernauts and stas Thor has more experience superman has like 20 years while Thor ha s thousands of years thank you very much 😉
Thor Unless Superman is more durable than Galactus, Superman has zero chance of surviving the God Blast. Also, the only reason Juggernaut survived the God Blast was because he had a mystical barrier protecting him. Lastly, what is your evidence to suggest that Superman has more durability than Juggernaut?
Thor For one darkseid lasers can erase God's can kill people instantaneously and also the only people to survive the omega be ams are superman and doomsday the only reason doomsday survived is because of his immortality darkseid has even blasted galactus so just stop prove it your really annoying me with you and @remy 94 fighting its just annoying so just stop alright this is meant for fun ok
Thor While Darkseid's Omega Beams can be resisted by Superman, Doomsday, and immortals, the God Blast has only been resisted by one being, the Celestial named Exitar The Executioner. The God Blast also obliterates immortals, unlike the puny Omega Beams
Thor Actually the omega beams do kill immortals i said doomsday because you know him he survived from nothing and also doomsday beats Thor darkseid beams has killed immortals before and hurt beings like that celestial like Galactus who easily is more powerful than a celestial Thor in the Thor vs darkseid battle his own brother the Highfather i think his name is his fellow old gods and he's laser beams shattered lantern barrier like it was nothing is laser beams are also faster than Thor s God blast they can hit the flash of it was little faster and also darkseid has shot anti monitor with the beams and severely hurt him even though he got killed omega force is better than Odin force
Thor Lol, your logic is painful to deal with. I honestly don't even want to try and rebuke everything you said. It would be too much of a hassle considering how much of it is incredibly wrong
Superman (Post-Crisis) Well after seeing Superman tank one of Shazam's lightning bolts with little to no real pain, I'd wager Superman most likely has this one. Both are Solar-System level fighters, but Superman has edge in intelligence and experience, and his power kit is much more flexible than Thor. Thor's God Blast is potentially Multi-Solar System in power, but I won't count it since there is barely much info on its actual power.
Superman (Post-Crisis) Not to mention the God Blast does leave Thor open for quite some time, and Superman can most definitely react to the God Blast in time.
Thor Barely much information on the God Blast!? We have enough information to know that it easily destroys beings like Galactus, a more powerful version of Odin, Surtur, and hurts Celestials like Exitar The Executioner. If instant teleporters can't react to the God Blast, Superman of course can't
Thor Remy94 i forget you actually right but imabatman shazam has very powerful magic that's where his power comes from not form his physical power he has the magic of the gods i forg ot so I do not submit haha haha I still can win the debate 😉
Superman (Post-Crisis) As I've said before, the only way Thor wins this fight is by using the god blast, and that's only if he manages to hit Superman.
Superman (Post-Crisis) We are not I probably just remember reading his comment, and thought I was the one who said it, I do agree with his comments though.
Superman (Post-Crisis) I don't mind if you disrespect me, because you do it all the time. But if you are going to disrespect my brother then you and I are going to have problems.
Thor@SirSpidey Not saying remy94 is spectre94, (I don't wanna get involved) but is there really anything wrong with having a 2nd account? It's only a problem if they start using it to their advantage
Thor Well, you get more votes, you can team up on people, and not to mention it is morally questionable especially when you claim it isn't your 2nd account
Thor I agree on that last part but it really doesn't bother me if he uses two accounts on big battles like this because it doesn't really make a difference, but if he started double voting on smaller battles or he has more than 2 accounts then I have a problem.
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Superman (Post-Crisis)@Darth_Doom I wouldn't bother, I've been debating with this guy for quite some time, he has very little respect, it will just end up coming back at you.
Thor Alright I'm was only going to do that because I like the way you debate @SirSpidey is just one of those guys who think people don't know nothing maybe we can try talking to @Galactus try to get him to shut @SirSpidey up because I'm sick of him and I've seen the comments he's wrote to you he s just a spoiled brat
Superman (Post-Crisis) Well thanks for your support, I think once @Galactus starts to see that everyone is having a problem with him, he'll probably do something about it.
Thor Thank you I just got sick of him he is so disrespectful to people and someone has to put a stop to him I'm just sick of it so what if @remy94 has a second account it's not going to hur t nobody can you tell me how to talk to galactus please
Superman (Post-Crisis) Forum, General conversation or you'll have to wait until he gets on, and then private message him. It was my brothers account, but even if it was me, which it wasn't, I'm obviously not using it to get ahead on anything.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor@remy94: If it didn't really matter to you, you wouldn't be responding to my comments. The only reason it always comes back at you is because I am always in the right. If I wasn't always correct, there would be nothing to come back at you, but no, you always refuse to be wrong. It is one of your greatest downfalls. The only reason everyone has a problem with me is because I don't sugarcoat shit. So what if I cuss, it's not like it is wrong. It would only be wrong if I were to curse at people, something I try very hard not to do. Your not using your second account to get ahead on anything!? Are you serious? In the past, you have ganged up on me with your second account. So don't lie to us and say you haven't done anything wrong. Lastly, please explain to me how me accusing you of having a second account equates to me disrespecting you. It honestly makes zero sense to me
Thor@SirSpidey i would like to apologize me and @remy94 said stuff no better than you we disrespecting you as well trying to get you kicked off the server i am sorry
Thor@Darth_Doom: Really? You have been here for 13 days and already trying to kick someone off? I'm going to take it easy on you considering you are only 13, but you seriously need to watch yourself. Not only am I moderator, but I have been doing this same exact thing for 2 years and as of yet have had zero problems with @Galactus. The opinion of a little kid like you is not anywhere close to that of the creator of this entire website
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sirspidey have you ever had a problem in your life that was conflicting you while you was off this site and facing this problem in the real world?
Thor Ok and I'm not really thirteen I'm 19 i just tell people that so they don't mess with me and no you didn't anger me I just didn't like you and remy94 fighting it was pretty annoying and also I wasn't really trying to get you kicked off the server i was trying to get you to be quiet but are we cool because I definitely don't want to get kicked off the server but truce P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
Superman (Post-Crisis) Sometimes I meet with these people whether they have a reason why they have a conflict, I have a conflict for myself today everytime I go to school I would always have something that would be bothering me like people trying to stare at me while my head is down like I always do since I have autism-Aspergers and other times that happen to me is when there's a lot of noise everytime I go to a classroom and they would never be quiet it happens everyday to me and so sometimes I like to be mean to people that's why.
Thor@Bbq444: Hey man, you be you no matter what people may think. Yes, people are extremely annoying and even clueless at times, but they are still human. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, but we as a human race need to try our hardest to love each other. As Jesus once said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." I think this verse from the Bible perfectly applies to your current situation. So that is my advise. Now it is up to you what you do with it
Thor@SirSpidey That is probably the most bad ass thing I have ever seen you type on this site. I have a close friend with similar obstacles as @Bbq444 and he struggles with similar things. I am going to share your comment with my friend, because I think it sends a very powerful message.
Thor Alright this is my last time trying i know this is probably bull but I'm going to try it anyway it said superman has pushed Thor s hammer back with Thor pushing on it and it said Thor with out the hammer is slower than wolverine with is little F TL and I'll send you the site i saw I t on https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up
SPEED-BLITZ
As long as there is sun for Superman. He will keep coming at Thor persistly. It will be a long ending battle but I think Superman takes it at the end if he doesn't hold back. Clearly in the comics despite him not using his full momentum. Superman has holded back against Doomsday though in the end it only took a couple of shots to bring him down when he doesn't hold back.
So in conclusion I do believe Superman will hold back against Thor from the beginning. Though when he just sees there's too much destruction I believe Superman will get amped up and either knockout thor or potentially kill him.
"Spiderman is more experienced than the living tribunal"
"Spiderman existed longer than TLT"
"Space punisher hulk beats Emperor joker"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Superman really easily"
"Hulk is physically superior to the one above All"
"Doomsdays durability Is atleast equal to the power of the Beyonder"
"God emperor doom stomps pre retcon beyonder"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Daredevil"
"Antimonitor is DCs version of Thanos because of the way they look and similar feats"
"Mxy has done everything doctor manhattan did" (in this context I mention doctor Manhattan destroying mxy, so mxy destroyed himself lmao)
"Superman loses to DAREDEVIL"
"Sentry loses to Daredevil"
"Captain America beats Captain Atom"
"Captain America stomps Martian manhunter"
"Spiderman absolutely stomps Martian Manhunter"
"Doctor Manhattan loses to silver surfer"
"Antimonitor stomps Eternity"
"Power absorption > Omnipotence"
"The one above all = Dark Infinity, but Dark infinity > The one above all"
"Cosmic Ghost rider solos Beyonder and living tribunal"
He's questioned these things lol:
-why can't we steal other characters names and make fusions?
-are fusion Characters allowed?
-WHERE ARE MY OCS? (In this context every last one of his oc's were simply "MarDC" fanfiction freaks)
-Why does dark infinity Get hate? (Obviously not because his writer is a complete and total unimaginative piece of absolute 3 year old garbage that cries over his oc not getting votes)
He's even admitted to these things:
-he worships YouTubers
-doesnt read comics
-Dark infinity was created
-Dark infinity is Universal
He's also done this:
-reported comments that shouldn't be reported
-same with downvoting
-made a discord server and blamed people for braking rules (when they didn't even remotely break rules)
-always Hates on people that disagree with him
Also @Blotsky: he's destroyed those 2 more timed than he lost, many many times you ignorant moron, go touch a comic and then come back, superman only lost when under a red son you idiot, and shazam/Thor are NOTHING alike.
Superman Stomps Silver Surfer
Green Lantern or Captain America or Wolverine can Beat a Omnipotent Being
Living Tribunal Beats The Ivory Kings
Spectre beats the Ivory Kings
Batman Who Laughs Beats King Thanos
Batman Who Laughs Beats Unstoppable Colossus
Man-Thing Beating Lifebringer Galactus
Superman Stomps Thanos
Thor Beats World War Hulk
Constantine Beats Ghost Rider
https://www.superherodb.com/team-shazam-wizard-vs-team-cyclops/90-407949/#
,He was so much more strong than thor , and so mush so durable than Thor, his speed is million,billion , trillion times faster than thor,
Last time i checked thor can be knock out by nice clear one punch of Superman , thor can do nothing to take down Superman;)
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Superman is physically the most power character in DC Comics, he may as well be a god. He's stronger than both Thor and Hercules, putting him above Odin the physical strength because Thor is the strongest one from Asgard.
https://www.superherodb.com/team-world-war-hulk-vs-team-thor/90-405006/#
I wish @Galactus could check how many alt accs are one both sides.
Strength :- Superman >thor
Speed. :- Superman >>thor
Durability :- Superman>thor
Power overall :- Thor >> Superman
Now power cancelled speed superman wins by greater strength and durability
All right I won
Mostly because Thor doesn't loose his power as Supes would away from the yellow sun. So it depends. Most of these battles are up to fans or writer interpretation as we've seen Superman to have almost infinity power to de-powered depending on the story. Thor has been pretty much consistent across all story lines.
Superman never showed weakness to magic instead he showed resistance to it when Black Adam and shazam hit him with their lightning blasts let's just say he isn't invulnerable to magic .
Now here are some feats Superman Vaporized half and galaxy and sneezed away all the solar systems and bench pressed earth for 5 days straight and he lifted spectre also I have to say he also lifted book of infinity because he was pure of heart and makes him capable of wielding mjolnir which he already done it he also one shotted thor in that crossover he also defeated hulk and Hercules while thor stalemated Hercules and got beaten up by hulk . Superman defeated darkseid he is also fast enough to travel 20 light years away from earth in matter of minutes he can speed blitz thor also thor got speed blitz by people who isn't even fast as spider man like wolverine that's why they call him slowdinson
How many times are you people gonna downplay Thor's speed?
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. hor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him and Beat Quicksilver's ass, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
Especially when I'm eating something way too hot... look at my hand!
Spectre called Superman's angriest punches "snowflakes" and would not allow Superman to leave. Moving the solar system has since been retconned. That was pre-crisis Superman.
Thor let Superman use Mjolner, afterwards he couldn't. He never one shotted Thor in fact he called it the hardest fight of his life. It was revealed Thor held back.
Superman can't beat Hulk. Never has never will.
Nope it wasn't debunked at all and it still count as a evidence . superman didn't even need the help of wonder woman to lift spectre because superman pulled the entire galaxy by himself .
I never downplayed any character don't blame me ( Blame the writers) I just say what I read in the comics . Thor got beaten by Street level characters also wolverine did speed blitz thor and thor didn't even go after spiderman because spiderman was too fast for him to catch
Also being invisible to the human isn't really a great feat just like galactus said . Superman went 20 light years away from earth and when crisis happened he arrive in earth in matter of minutes he also tagged the flash and caught him and he was keeping up with Jay garrick
Wielding mjolnir isn't about thor giving permission it was built for the pure of heart people or whoever doesn't regret what they did
Again if thor throw mjolnir at superman he can react to it or wield it himself and beat thor
Thor defeating galactus and being faster than silver surfer ?? Even in superman's feats it shows he is faster than flash and supergirl one shotted anti monitor who is 10x times stronger than Galactus which makes superman capable of doing the same thing
Thor escaped the black hole ? Guess what superman was holding the black whole in his hand
Superman have invulnerability while thor can easily get killed by piercing weapons
Give me a proof that magic effects superman then I will believe .. like I said superman showed resistance to pure magic lightning blasts from Shazam and Black Adam , if magic effects on superman than he should've been dead by now instead he defeated shazam .
Yeah spectre did call superman's angriest punches " snowflakes " because it was compared to him and you do realize he is the 5th strongest character in Dc Universe after Michael and Lucifer but here is a feat of superman angriest punch.
Mongul is invulnerable to harm, it takes more than just physical strength to take him down but Superman let loose against Mongul with a powerful punch, banishing him into a black hole
Yeah I know moving all solar systems are Pre-Crisis but it also means the post-crisis superman can do the same thing .
Thor didn't let superman to wield his mjolnir, he was wielding it himself but then he refused to kill and he couldn't wield it after that .
Nope the writers were drunk it wasn't his hardest fight of his life because there wasn't any single scratch on superman when he fought Thor but he was injured badly when he fought doomsday also superman defeated Hercules while thor was struggling fighting Hercules and they ended up draw .
Bruh thor getting getting defeated by superman and he was holding back ? I mean wow the logic you do realize superman was also holding back in all of his fight except fighting with doomsday
Yeah superman did defeat hulk in crossover hell yeah even batman knocked out hulk with his mighty kick
Shazam said Superman never does any good against magic in Superman/Batman Public Enemies. It's because of that fact that Shazam has beaten Superman before. Superman's even admitted to the Phantom Stranger that his powers don't work against magic. This link sums it up https://www.quora.com/Is-Superman-really-weak-to-magic
Spectre's probably higher that 5th which makes your claim that he can lift Spectre void.
No. Part of the reason why pre-crisis happened was because Superman was too powerful. He hasn't been that powerful since.
Thor lets him use Mjolner. Read the comic.
Claiming the writers were drunk is being stupid now. Do you mean Superman should have lost to Thor then? Superman's costume was torn and he was visibly tired. Superman doesn't hold back when he fights tough opponents. He's admitted he has to go all out when fighting Black Adam for example.
Hercules actually beat Superman Wonder Woman and Yellow Lantern in Injustice. This was a Superman who doesn't hold back anymore and he still lost.
Superman never beat Hulk, he just calms him down. He even admits as Hulk gets angrier the outcome suddenly becomes uncertain showing that Hulk would eventually overpower Superman. What you said about Batman was completely wrong. Batman kicks his stomach so Hulk would breath in the gas he threw. Even then that makes no sense because Hulk would have just backhanded Batman killing him and his healing factor should have negated the gas.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/6/69951/1321977-jla___avengers__2_page_37.jpg
Then Hercules came over and knocked out superman
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/SZnENpGHCRkeiLhgUTsXiSUTQDJIzZMGgPuhDmxffVZJD2XhO_HP1nwjE87vGdodxMuvfbNEGi9w=s1600
Speed--Superman is a bit faster, but Thor has beaten faster opponents
Strength--Equal
Durability--Superman
Power--Thor
Thor's magic and hammer is extremely powerful, and nothing can stop it's return to Thor's hand, not even Superman. Superman is known for being unhurt by gunfire, but he can be harmed by things other than kryptonite, and magic is one of them. Because of this, Thor has the ultimate advantage. All of Superman's power would wound Thor, but a hit from Thor's lightning with the power of asgard is also a tough hit, even for Superman.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but bor him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Let's start with his travel speed. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. hor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
To those of you that chose Thor over the Surfer here but voted Superman in this battle, answer me this: How's it Thor can beat the Surfer but not Superman?
Now, let's take a look at his reactions. Right here, Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him[/url and [url=https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53803/1175232-quick_thor.jpg]Beat Quicksilver's ass, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
This has gotta stop! Quit w*nking Superman's speed and downplaying Thor's.
And silver age Superman wouldn't beat rkt
Rune King Thor hung himself,defied death, and regained the Odin Force, erased Mangog form existence with Rune Magic, broke the dimesnional barrier to Valhalla with a blast, and even erased Yggdrasil out of existence and made it into a multiverse.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Beyonders>living tribunal>cas>any other version of Superman
CAS still the winner.
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
read comicvine fot more facts.
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
"It's funny those beyonders were weak"they weren't weak it was never implied nor hinted at
"Lt has never been outerversal btw"except he is and has shown it like when he held the amalgam brothers with one hand
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5754727-7368726379-12309.jpg
The same people who ragdolled the spectre
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers2.jpg
So my point still stands Rkt>beyonders>lt>spectre>cas>any other version of Superman
Marvel hasn't got outversal characters.
Unbound Spectre>LT>Spectre .
CAS=PR Beyonder>LT>Rkt
https://m.imgur.com/nKFqaOs
"Marvel hasn't got outerversal characters"um hello have you never heard of pr beyonder or molecule man or god emperor doom or hotu thanos?I can name more but I'm just to lazy to type them all
"Unbound spectre>Lt>spectre.
CAS=PR Beyonder>Lt>Rkt"
Unbound spectre got one shotted by Michael demurgios who didn't even go all out
CAS gets one shotted by PR Beyonder(id like to debate on that)
"Lt>Rkt"no he isn't LT was killed by beyonders the same group of people that rkt oneshotted
So my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>Lt>>>CAS
"Just cause you don't believe it doesn't disprove it,it is stated in the scan"so going by your logic then the living tribunal is Omnipotent because it was stated https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108047/2046547-omnipotetnt.jpg
So then rkt one shotted 5 beyonders and it only took 3 beyonders to beat the living tribunal so my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>>CAS
also HOTU Thanos isn't canon.
Michael one shotted the Spectre who is much stronger than Pr Beyonder and MM and LT. Unbound Spectre wouldt still win against RKT and LT.
Cas>LT>Rkt.
"Also hotu thanos isn't canon"What does being canon have to do with anything everything is canon just some things aren't head canon
Just because something isn't canon doesn't mean it can't be taken into account
Using your logic then I claim dc has no outerversal characters because Lucifer Morningstar and Michael demurgios aren't canon.
"Spectre would still win against rkt and lt"How would the spectre beat rkt if he's omnipotent?and stop dodging this question
"Cas>Lt>Rkt"
Absolutely wrong 💀😂
Are you genuinely dumb?Ive proven to you that rkt already killed beyonders which killed the living tribunal so rkt>lt>cas
Why don't you wanna debate me on cas vs lt?
And for the "marvel has no outerversal characters"it does actually the beyonders are outerversal and so is lt (he is above multi eternity and infinity who are high hyperversal.power greater than high hyperversal is outerversal)lt sits on a throne outside creation itself
God emperor doom is outerversal,molecule man is outerversal,so is hotu thanos,regulator thanos,god quarry thanos,king thanos,multi oblivion,pre retcon molecule man,and beyonder are all outerversal
"Unbound spectre>CAS>LT>Rkt"
Okay so explain exactly how CAS is above the living tribunal and how the living tribunal is above rkt when Rkt killed beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal
All your doing is restating yourself I've debunked all of your claims and you still have yet to debunk any of mine
"CAS=PR Beyonder"no beyonder one shots the thought robot who couldn't even beat mandrakk the same guy who was injured by green lantern
Lucifer and Michael aren't canon so dc has no outversal characters you said. And you say I am dumb...:D Both of Luci and Michael are canon,and there are many outversal feats in dc,if you want to ignore the angels. For example Monitor Mind is canon. :)
So yes Hotu Thanos is still not canon so it doesn't matter.
rkt is not omnipotent :D Rkt has never been omnipotent,are you trolling?
Nope,u wrong. CAS is stronger than LT so Cas>Lt>>>Sword of Superman>>>rkt...
Pr Beyonder can never one shots TH. They 're equal or almost equal. Btw in my opinion Cas is stronger by feats.
Cas is outversal while LT,Rkt is not.
"Luci and Micky are canon"no there not there both vertigo characters which don't directly apply to dc universe
And how is oblivion not outerversal his true form would literally kill you if you even stared at it
"Rkt is not omnipotent"yes he is in the words of the author himself
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9bc771060ac17cfa150410cb64cd264
He controls everything he wants making him omnipotent
And how does beyonder not one shot TR
Nah Luci and Mich is canon, Luci has already met with the jla in the comic. Also Vertigo is a part of dc. :) Presence is the creator of DC universe and his childs are Luci and Mich.
Oblivion still not outversal.
RKT is a low budget omnipotent maybe in the 3D realm but thats all. Weak as Infinity Gauntlet and he looses badly against CAS.
CAS and Beyonder are equal or almost equal maybe PR Beyonder a lil' bit stronger but if it's true this is still not a one shot. So that's how Beyonder doesn't stomp Cas.
And no vertigo is supposed to account for things that happen outside of dc (non canon things like luci)
And how is oblivion not outerversal if he can kill the reader?Please explain how that isn't outerversal
And no rkt isn't omnipotent in a 3D scale there's no such thing as omnipotence in different dimensions your either omnipotent or not
So yeah rkt is omnipotent
And beyonder is way more powerful than the tr
TR couldn't beat mandrakk and had to throw him into the overmonitor and then died shortly after
And if TR is outerversal then why isn't beyonder since you say there "equals"
Vertigo story is canon and it's a part of DC.
Oblivion has never shown that he can kill the reader. He still lives in the creation and he has no impressive feats.
Rkt is not omnipotent,only in the 3d realm and it still not sure. And there is a difference between 3d and higher dimensional omnipotence.
So yeah Rkt is not omnipotent,Rkt is nothing even compared Silver Age Superman. :)
Mandrakk is stronger than the beyonder and i changed my mind CAS godstomps the beyonder,he is nothing.
Hence the name "outer"versal
And no vertigo isn't part of dc it's supposed to show all different branch realities
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/37/Oblivion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130702041935
Here oblivion takes over the comic in order to confront you and states that the way you see him is an illusion and that if he stared at you in his true form you would cease to exist.The only reason why he doesn't kill you is because it wouldn't really please him
So yes oblivion is outerversal
And no rkt killed 5 beyonders
It took 3 to kill the living tribunal who is outerversal
The living tribunal transcends all of marvel (which is composed of infinite dimensions)and all other multi abstracts like eternity (who are all infinite dimensional)and are only a fraction of his being
And those beyonders killed him
And rkt killed them so no rkt is omnipotent In a outerversal scale
And no tr is a fodder who couldn't beat mandrakk
And here we see mandrakk being hurt by green lantern
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23992/4746094-final%20crisis%20007-027.jpg
So no beyonder would one shot the thought robot who died after throwing mandrakk into the over monitor http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
and also... why the f*ck are you saying RKT is actually above beyonders...
Vertigo is a part of dc in fact. Is it hurt you? I can understand it because Luci and Michael together can stomp the whole marvel fiction after TOAA has been nerfed.
Oblivion is not that strong man,stop talking silly things. Oblivion is almost equal with Eternity,who is nothing in this leauge.
RKT is not stronger than Beyonders :DD Rkt is a universal fodder nothing more In 3D scale.
CAS has beaten Mandrakk,who can destroy Rkt with ease. CAS>>>Lt>>>Rkt.
And well no again. Beyonder can't one shot CAS. Cas would punch the sht out of Beyonder.
Stop denying that oblivion is outerversal just because it ruins your argument.You can ask @EmptyHand @Oblivion @DarkWing @Jongensoden
And they'll all say that oblivion is outerversal
And your saying that vertigo is canon because it's apart of DC
So by using your logic I can claim that HOTU,Regulator,And God quarry thanos are all canon because it's apart of marvel
And no CAS loses badly to Pre retcon beyonder
And also that whole "TOAA was nerfed"wasn't actually TOAA it was the above all others who is just an aspect of TOAA not actually TOAA
TOAA=TOBA=>RKT>Pre retcon beyonder>Beyonders=GED>CAS>Mandrakk
And also please explain how RKT isn't stronger than beyonders if he one shotted them?
Oblivion is on Eternity's level.
They're all saying he is outversal so what? The whole ComicVine is saying that he isn't,so do i.
Vertigo is a part of DC in fact you can check out and it is canon not just because it's a part of dc universe.
HOTU story isn't a part of marvel and it is non-canon you can look after that too.
Nope, CAS still stomps Beyonder out of existence without trying.
That was the real TOAA who is not omnipotent anymore because of nerf.
TOAA>>>Pr Beyonder>Pr Molecule Man>NonCanon Hotu Thanos>Protege>Oblivion>God Doom>Beyonders(Ivory dudes)>LT>>>>so many > Chaos King >>>Punny Rkt who is only universal and it has proven. TOAA>Cas(stpid plot machine)>Pr-Beyonder>>> >>> >>> Rkt slowdinson.
Beyonders are weak. They are only on Lt's level and its nothing compared CAS,exspecially they aren't outversal lol.
And you still have yet to prove how vertigo is canon all your doing is saying that it is but still haven't proven it
And please prove how oblivion is only on eternity level if I've already shown you how he's outerversal and all you do is say "no he's on eternity level"
And even then In the chaos war story the chaos king had nearly killed eternity and it was then revealed that the chaos king was simply a infinitely small aspect of oblivion
And how are the beyonders only on the Living tribunal level if there the same people who killed him
Rkt is omnipotent as I've already proven to you and how is he universal if the living tribunal (the cosmic overseer of marvel beyond all dimensions,space,and time which would make him outerversal)who was killed by the beyonders (who are also outerversal)were killed by Rkt
And until you provide evidence for anything you claim then I'll dismiss it as false
Also let me explain how beyonder one shots thought robot
You see thought robot was hurt by the power of 52 universes
Meanwhile beyonder was stated to be "millions of times"more powerful than the multiverse (which is composed of infinite universes I'm marvel)https://imgur.com/F4KYtNF
And also here's some confirmation that the above all others is only an aspect of TOAA https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Above_All_Others
After that you have never proven to me that LT is outversal you talking about stupid things starting with Rkt is above CAS . LT is not outversal,LT is a jobber compared to dc heavy hitters like Perpetua for example.
Vertigo is a part of DC while HOTU isn't.
On comic vine there are some interesting silly people,but the most of users are fine and experienced about comics,so yeah you can check comic vine and many sites which will prove you my arguements instead of me. You and your ideas is one versus so many ppl,and im sure about that they know better than you.
I can also say that rkt is a fodder and he is much weaker than LT even Silver Age Superman lol.
Oblivion is still not outversal and CAS would beat the shieet out of Pr.Beyonder. He is a plot device,he can always adapt the story. Against CAS ,Beyonder has no power any longer.
Only TOAA was outversal in marvel corps and it has been retconned too.:DD
There is only Ret.Toaa now this is the ugly truth accept it marvel guy. :) The One Above Almost All...
And second of all how is the lt not outerversal your making yourself look stupid by claiming he is bound by dimensions and time when he is above both of those concepts (infinity and eternity)
Third of all how are you going to claim something without proving it I've shown you multiple pieces of evidence to debunk every single claim you've made and your excuse is "no it's not true because I said so"
Hotu and every single other "nOn cAnOn" story is part of marvel so therefore it is canon according to your standards
Also how are you going to have a debate and say "I don't have to prove anything" you are far by the worst debater I've ever met if you think you don't have to prove your claims
So I'm going to use your logic and say that base Thor solos all of DC because I said so
And don't call me a fanboy when you claim that the pre retcon beyonder isn't outerversal and that the thought robot would beat him because he's a "plot device"
But yet he failed to actually beat mandrakk in raw power and died in his own issue
Not only that but he was injured by 52 universes while beyonder was stated to be more powerful than a million multiverses
Thank you once again for proving your arrogance this is probably the easiest debate I've had in a while
Not only that but I've proven to you that oblivion is also outerversal and you claim he isn't because you've seen some guy on comic vine say so
Let's play your game then. First of all you don't know what does outversal mean thats why u sayin eternity and infinity outversal. They are only universal.
Second of all you still didn't prove me anything ,you only saying stupid things but its ok for a guy who can't understand what does outversal mean. You can think it you're right.
HOTU is not canon while Vertigo is.
Also i don't want to debate you i just typed here to my opinion thats all. I dont't have to prove anything exspecially because if you aren't mental you can look after my arguements on the internet,where are many sites and many pepople that can explain you to my opinions.
And my logic is still more valid than your silly things. Thor never can solo DC even Green Lantern with white ring. :D
pr. beyonder isn't outversal and CAS would **** him not just because he is a plot device. :) It's just one thing why he can destroy the entrie marvelverse.
Btw CAS has stomped Mandrakk who can also beat Beyonder anyways.^^
The sad thing is that u haven't debated me and you are the only one who have any arrogance here but it is not a problem for me silly dude.
Comic Vine people have already proven that Oblivon is not outversal too. The only difference is that you are 1 guy who don't even know what he says and you have proven that many times for example rkt is stronger than CAS, Eeternity is outversal versus so many guy who have interesting arguements and legit opinions with so much comicbook knowedge. :)
Well thats all have a nice day.
Second of all don't call me stupid when your using fake terms like "MetAvErSal"and then claim that "yOu hAvEnT pRovEn ANyThIng"when I've shown you about 20 scans proving every single one of my claims
You probably can't even count to ten
Can't spell outerversal so you spell it outversal
How dense is your skull if your so biased to dc and claim that the thought robot could potentially solo marvel
And third of all STOP DENYING THAT OBLIVION IS OUTERVERSAL IF MARVEL THEMSELVES CONFIRM HE IS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/p4PnWF6IhWGYkgjvf2ZWAY54e6fftRzuFe8gF-DQzvfZu0ApHMpB7wpV79s3_7KInbMJc8z9kqSi=s0
You can't deny oblivion is outerversal anymore because marvel themselves support me regardless of what your biased comic vine fanboys tell you
Pr beyonder is outerversal and he'd slap the thought bot garbage
And you have a nice day to :)
Btw if you weren't trying to debate then why even bother replying you just wasted both of our time?
Nigh Omnipotence>>> >>> >>>outerversal
Outerversal is beyond dimensional, high outer is beyond time space and dimensions, nigh Omnipotent is way beyond that
And flash is way faster than Superman it ain't even a contest
https://m.imgur.com/p3sWez4
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
So no Thor is just as fast as supes
Most users agree he is teleporting.
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
"And even a small black hole is still infinite mass"a black hole doesn't have infinite mass and even if it did you know there are levels to infinity right?
That scan doesn't show thor lifting anything? I'm confused. If you're referring to the part later in the comic where he breaks free of the pressure of a "score of planets", that's misleading at best. He broke free of the energy construct but nowhere does it show him lifting the weight, not with one arm either. It isn't even 20 planets, it's an energy construct with the pressure of 20 planets that he broke free of. That isn't him lifting that amount.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/thor-feats-of-strength/amp/
Website agrees
You know the thing that holds all 9 realms
Which are universes
https://pm1.narvii.com/6440/0abfcf74265c34d385e24459e344bf089594cce3_hq.jpg
RUNE KING THOR IS GREATER THAN THE THOUGHT ROBOT
The context of the World Tree feat is that its supporters like to claim it shows how Thor was strong enough to move the entire 9 Realms by pushing the World Tree Engine, an incalculable feat of strength. What they forgot to remember is that all Thor was doing was pushing the wheel that turned the engine for the World Tree, nothing else. And he was having trouble doing that as well, though I hear his powers were in flux or something at the time.
About the thought robot, I'd move the discussion to that page, not here. I haven't read much about RKT, but my only point is that CAS is incredibly broken. Though Robot is PIS in walking form. His power is literally plot manipulation, he can change the plot of the story to make himself win and can even sense the reader.
And yeah he was unworthy at the time or sum like that so he wasn't at full strength
And would you like to discuss the thought robot vs rkt
(The race of aliens that killed the living tribunal)
You go read secret wars
And the beyonders first words were "verbatim"I highly doubt they'd just coincidentally say the same the word which mean in word for word of the same group and then later on hinted that they may be of the same race.It seems like a creative way of confirming it
It's a long story so I summarized it as best as I could
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
@Tyrannus thanks!
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
I agree, I don't read comics too much either so I don't really have the right to criticize you for it.
Also what the heck was in those links? They asked me for my email etc.
"but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over."
I agree with you on that point, good bye for now.
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
https://m.imgur.com/Yte4HSw
https://m.imgur.com/QsCAqWV
https://m.imgur.com/1Mn0Hzt
https://m.imgur.com/8gIu3Oe
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-76c2b7d0e13682d93f8380d0aa49ee31
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_SVHdMfklqqsadWvXwGxOZ21oZWFPOs4jnDXggl58kXKe79Oacp6GVlKtUL2MKfQ3scGnrEU7at319V-m3Mpzg-r_C10ufWTRIqo7nHZtz-WUc-2SRiB3ypKazZ8drlsREuB8rzJ=s320
I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Can you provide a scan please?
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
This is fun, hope you can return it :)
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Superman fans: *gets angry* Bot, booot, bbboootttsss!
pc superman,mid diffs
n52,high diffs
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
Superman's also lost a considerable amount of times to magic users too so that doesn't help him. Magic can kill him
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
2: how is Thor's strength limitless?
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
I am listening. Carry on
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Yes but then you said "his only advantage is the godblast"
"Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts."
Didn't I just debunk that?
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Uh, okay :D
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Wow what an absurd thing to believe
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Aka, not in this battle.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
THOR GIVE FIGHT BACK BUT SUPERMAN BEAT HIM AND LEFT THE HAMMER
I still pick THOR
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
He is much faster than Wolvie
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
B: he wasn't expecting it.
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
1 the crossovers are not canon
2 this is not thor mcu
Over all sups wins.
(Medium fight)
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Intelligence - Thor (way older)
Speed - Superman all the way
Strength - I don't know really
Durability- Thor (survived a beating from three celestial)
Power -Thor
Combat- Thor
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
New 52 - Thor
Post-Crisis - Thor
Pre-Crisis - Superman
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Without Mjolnir - Superman barely wins
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Chances of Winning
Superman 54%
Thor 46%
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
Part 1
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
He shattered Space and Time with a single blow againstc Kal-L
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2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
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Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too.
Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman.
Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts.
Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter.
Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic.
I'll go with the Supe
So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit
Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite
Casually carries a submarine
Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened
Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman
Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth
Lifts a ship
Hits Wraith with a large ship
Thor - 30
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Thor Wins
And on second thought please don't call me @Mop
I thought @Mop would sound cooler but then I realized it was a cleaning utensil 😂
The Godblast has harmed galactus
(Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner
Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God...
Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
With that being said
@Infinitedestruction do you want to join the varosverse
Remember your with the cool kids 😎
Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level)
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Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg.
Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons
Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons
Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth.
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He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up