Thor Yeah, I saw you and SirSpidey try to tear each other apart. Your main point seems to be that superman is faster, but
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
Superman Superman just edges him out in most categories besides experience, combat skill, and the fact Mjolnir is enchanted. But besides that, Kal is stronger, faster, more durable, and much smarter. However, the only category with a significant difference is speed and intelligence, both of which Superman is better at.
Thor Thor has strength feats to match clark. Can you prove he's more durable?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
Superman Superman too durable,way way toouch stronger and faster than Thor..Thor is crazy powerful,but no match for the DC hero who is on a whole another level
Thor I really want to vote superman, but this is original superman who hasn't improved so much. So basically, he is still vulnerable to magic. That is a big disadvantage for superman. He might probably lose against thor.
Thor I would defentitly say Superman is the more powerful hero but Thor takes this because of Superman's weakness's to red solar energy and magic both of which Thor can manipulate
Thor I honestly am not sure. Superman could pick up the hammer for sure so if Thor ever threw it he wouldn't get it back. Also, since mjolner is actually able to be destroyed superman might be strong enough to destroy it. If he could neutralize mjolner Superman will definitely win. If he cannot Thor might. As the lightning from mjolner is magical this means that it could hurt Superman on a greater level, kind of like Shazam. Shazam has beaten Superman before. That being said, Thor himself is nowhere near as strong as Superman or Shazam, but with the hammer under his control, I would say he has a fair shot at winning. I am going to assume this for the sake of the fight so that each is at their best and say that Thor sadly wins.
Thor Superman CANNOT pickup Mjölnir, he isn't a warrior and isn't a killer. He picked it up in the crossover because Odin let him. He later couldn't pick it up. Superman could no way break Mjölnir. Thor isn't as strong? Thor has Stalemated, Hulk and Hercules, lifted the Midgard Serpent, broke free from the weight of a neutron star, broke free from chains that held thousands of gods including a god that wrestled black holes for fun. Thor also has pushed the world engine which is a multiversal strength feat. Thor is at least on par with Superman in strength and I'd argue Thor is actually stronger.
Thor I was saying he could pick up Mjolner based on his character alone, not the crossover. If Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, Vision, etc. are "worthy" Superman, the embodiment of virtue, would most definitely be able to as well. Also, if characters like Hela are able to destroy it, so would Superman. And as far as strength. Superman is capable of literally destroying the universe and recreating it. He picked up an infinite mass (black holes aren't even infinite). And Hercules and Hulk are weaker than Superman. Also Superman BLEW a giant star to move it. He also, as a teen, threw a neutron star to anther galaxy. He also survived a black hole. Yeah, so while your arguments are very astounding, they still do not prove otherwise to my points.
Thor Its because of his character that he can't lift the hammer because as @ThorMathews said he isn't a warrior or killer. Also I think your getting the movies confused for the comics because Vision and CA aren't fully worthy either. Being worthy doesn't mean pure of heart otherwise Spider-Man should be able to lift it too.
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
Thor And how does "warrior" make you "worthy"? At that point it sounds more like a plot device to pick and choose who picks it up. And the entire purpose of the hammer was not just war but also creation. Superman can defeat his foes without killing them because he is incredibly strong willed. The fact that someone with such strength is capable of NOT hurting someone is incredible. What struggles has Thor gone through that Superman has not had something equal to prove himself? And I was just mentioning characters who have at one point or another picked up the hammer. You say "dropped" which means he did in fact lift it, even for a split second. And as far as destroying the universe he can as his punches against Superboy prime were ripping holes in reality. And he can reverse time (has before), therefore "recreating" it. No he is not god. But he is undeniably the embodiment of what societies deem a "hero". Just take a look at his name... His costume is the icon for costumes... He is THE hero. He is the only hero that is a household name. An idiom even. I think that to suggest that anyone is greater than Superman is not true. Yes he is not the fastest, yes he is not the strongest, yes, he has even died... but he always wins, he always meets the mark, he even resurrects because society chose him as the symbol of heroism. That is my reasoning. If I am wrong please inform me.
Thor@EmptyHand Never mind buddy but I am disagreeing with you. Saying superman only wins because if his story of superman power is actually wrong. In marvel every gods including thor are living stories and metaphor , even if omniverse destroys but still marvel's stories will not gonna end, and thor is one of the stories those stories. And omniverse is defined as this ,
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god , so thus, thor is a jung carl archetype characters and jung carl archetype characters are universal ,,so thor should win this fight.
Superman Can you all stop taking my words as me saying that superman only wins because of the story? Supermans story is far beyond anything marvel story except the hoi stories, I have actual reasons for why superman wins here, not just because of that
Thor@EmptyHand You are accepting house of ideas is above Story of superman but house of ideas is where stories of marvel are born and house of ideas also contains the story (books) of thor
Superman No offense but your arguments for who wins is going by whos stories have a higher existence, ofc all the stories of the heroes in marvel are contained in the house of ideas, but do you HONESTLY think base thor scales to that? no in fact, he literally is just inside those stories so that argument is completely invalid, and btw, the story of superman would be beyond any story in marvel that is not contained in the HOI because for 1, the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, the overvoid contains beings like the presence & lucifer Morningstar inside of it and they are limited to it, meaning the story of superman has a higher existence than those beings, but then again the only reason i brought up the story of superman is because some people are like "Thor wins becuz god blast gg" and superman having the story back him up is basically the same thing as thors god blast, so i brought it up, but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Well i just did it to give a back up to thor. I never said base thor scales to HOI. You said story of superman is below hoi and that's why I said thor is one of the stories in HOI. By the way I am disagreeing with your some points . "the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, " - I need the scan and name of the issue where it is stated SOS created overvoid and overvoid is defenceless infront of him.
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules and hercules was able to hold the door of house of ideas , and writer already explained why hercules is was able to do that , so story of hercules=Thor
Superman@Tahsin Give me some time to get the one where it basically created the overvoid, but i can give you these scans for now
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
Thor@EmptyHand 1. I almost agree with your all scans except this. , I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu,
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed, if this is not enough then I have another argument. That is in comics at many places thor had used his mjolnir as for teleportation. For example in thor blood oath he used mjolnir for teleportation ,, and I don't think superman can match thor's speed if he teleportes himself to another place.
Superman 1. "Monitor has zero defenses" is in reference to the overvoid if you remember the previous scan
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
Superman "I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu"
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Ok.
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands, and thor already had a great disadvantage on that fight. Thor became injured when he was trying to take the cosmic seed from the Yggdrasil. Also it was not looking like silver surfer was doing hold back. Why would he hold back? He is the herald of galactus and at that time galactus came to earth to consume it. So I don't see any reason for which we can consider silver surfer was doing hold back.
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.,
6. , so at some points flash should be faster than supes
Superman 1. Thor can't kill superman lol, also Zeus vs Superman literally happened in injustice which is completely non canon, the story of superman only works for the main superman that we all know, so bringing that up doesn't mean anything, also you have not given any proof of why thor can "kill superman"
2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power 🗿, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thor has teleportation ability and thor can teleport superman to a place where is no sun. Even batman also told that if he removes the sun then superman will gonna die , and like that way thor can beat superman . Also superman says this , and thor says this ,
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second , also silver surfer can also travel to hyperspace , and I think you didn't get me. I showed that scan just proof thor is not slow. In speed both superman and thor should be equal or atleast thor should be near to superman in speed. But your sentence was indirectly saying "thor's speed is not even close superman ". And thor was also doing hold back in that race. Thor also everytime holds back.
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
Superman 1. If you think superman being in an existence where there is no sun will kill him you're completely forgetting the superman where is thy sting story.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. When world forger trapped superman in a galaxy superman was literally dying., superman only survived because batman literally gave chance to superman and he didn't remove suns so that superman will not die. Otherwise superman would have died. So I don't know which type of hax of superman you were talking about but still I want the name of the comic where superman defeated death. Also thor many times went toe to toe with hela who is the queen of death. Even thor defeated mephisto in his dimension two times ,,, and mephist was stated to be the threat for the balance of the multiverse , Btw that was a small dead moon of saturn , also if you wanna say something then go and say that to the writer of that comic not me. By the way thor exists in asgard and asgard is beyond space and time and exists beyond dimensional seas. So thor is also beyond space and time ,,,,,"superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before,"- Thor itself is multiversal. Thor's divinity transcends dimensions ,
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force , so I will really like to see hear your explanation that why and how will superman deal with mother storm. Also i never said base thor is equal to HOI.
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input, so that means thor even didn't use mjolnir at it's full potential.
Thor@EmptyHand "also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling"- By feats superman is actually universal or multiversal and I accept that. But don't forget it is fiction. Everything can happen in fiction. For example: lord chaos and master order are weaker than living tribunal but in Ultimates 2 they defeated Living tribunal, source wall was capable of locking super celestial like perpetua but still justice league broke source wall. While in power level justice league are not even close to perpetua. Also don't take that seriously.
Superman 1. @Tahsin world forger trapped superman in the 6th dimension, which is a different story, plus that's not to say that superman can't just come back himself going by the scans I've sent earlier, also I already said the name of the superman story, it's "superman where is thy sting", also the stakes were higher In the story I showed so it makes sense that superman would do such a thing as just hax his way back. Also he was able to clash with mephisto because of strength but in raw power we see in the first scan mephisto admits that he was stronger than him already, plus that's not to say superman couldn't do the same to mephisto since he's done the same with other powerful threats.
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thanks for tellling the name.By the way every villains tells that they are stronger than the opponents which is false. Here thor defeats mephisto again,,, also I know that the thor that exists in asgard is true form thor. But even his avatars can also circumvent time ,
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him., , , and if still this is not enough then problem. I have another point. Jane foster needed mother storm to violate phoenix while thor even without god blast or mother storm violated phoenix , ,,, , ^^ In the first fight thor violated badly. And in the second one I know phoenix defeated thor after that but if you look properly than you will find one point that thor actually defeated phoenix. Phoenix became so much helpless that she needed to absorb a planet's energy to restore his power while thor was already used much of his stremgth fight phoenix. So honestly, if phoenix didn't absorb the planet then she would have lost to thor.
3. This is thor's speed combat , so how will superman blitz thor?
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost , even if thor holds back he can go toe to toe with sentry ,
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden , o living tribunal indirectly told that no one has ever seen his true form. So that was just a aspect of living tribunal. Btw superflow is where the most powerful aspect of Lt and true form of lord chaos and master order exists. By the way while fighting with the dark multiverse justice league broke source wall
Thor Yes, I just love Superman and all of his basic level powers. He is the most powerful superhero in existence. He beats Thor because he is Superman.
Superman “Basic level powers” lmao. Nobody would actually use that as an argument. By the way, those “cute little laser beams” can vaporize entire planets and ships that destroy universes. Oh, and melt your brain.
Thor I mean, they ARE basic. They are child's play compared to what Thor can do. Lmao, so Superman's laser vision is Planetary in power, can burn through some metal (I'm assuming), and melt fodder beings brains. That's cute.
Superman “Child’s play” lmao. Nah, Superman disintegrated Doomsday’s brain, and if he can do it to a monster who adapts to any threat, he can do it to Thor. He has hundreds of other abilities Thor would have no chance against.
Superman Superhuman 5 senses, microscopic vision, telescopic vision, vibration cancellation, vibrational song, x ray vision, phasing, infinite mass punch, resistance to mind control and reality warping, invulnerability, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, can manipulate electricity, regeneration, astral projection, pressure points, air manipulation, can thunderclap, can manipulate radiation and energy, can see someone’s soul and interact with it, genius level intellect with photographic memory, space-time manipulation, after images, illusions, and the super flare. Many more to lose but this was getting long.
Superman I beg to differ. Imp certainly would. The super flare destroyed an entire pocket universe. It KO’d a being who absorbs energy. It would be an instant winner. His phasing would let him walk through all of Thor’s attacks and phase through him to pull out organs. On top of that he could lobotomize Thor just like he did to Doomsday and erase his brain. Also, he could simply cancel out his vibrations to remove him from existence.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: In which comic did Superman disintegrate Doomsday's brain with his laser vision? Regardless, Thor is much more resistant to injury than Doomsday. He has resisted back to back to back blasts from beings as powerful as Celestials. So, if Superman isn't as powerful as three Celestials, I find it counter productive to claim Superman can hurt Thor in any shape or form. As for Superman's powers, superhuman senses, microscopic vision, x ray vision, telescopic vision, resistance to mind control and reality warping, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, regeneration, astral projection, seeing and interacting with someone’s soul, genius level intellect with photographic memory, invulnerability, after images, and illusions can't hurt Thor. I have no idea what vibration cancellation and vibrational song are. Thor can hit intangible beings, so phasing is pointless. The Infinite Mass Punch is weak. In which comic does Superman manipulate electricity and to what extent? Pressure points. That's cute. In which comic did Superman manipulate the air and to what extent? Thunderclap. Probably weak considering it is coming from Superman. Radiation and energy manipulate. When and to what extent? In which comic did Superman manipulate space and time? The super flare. Weak. Anymore?
Superman Wow, very poor indeed. The infinite mass punch is apparently weak, yet it hits with the force of a white dwarf star and breaks planets like glass. The super flare is more powerful than anything Thor has. It is the equivalent of every single cell in Superman’s body going supernova. The body contains 37.2 trillion cells, and the average supernova hits with 10 octillion megatons of force. That means the super flare would deliver 3.72 duodecillion megatons of force, or 37.2 trillion supernovas to Thor. That’s not weak. That would kill Thor instantly. That is 3720000000000000000000000000000000000000000 megatons of force. There are 125 billion galaxies in the universe, meaning that the super flare has the energy equivalent to destroy 298 universes. It’s a multiversal busting move. So yeah, not weak. Stuff like “that’s cute” and “probably weak coming from Superman” honestly just work against you, because you just look petty and immature. On the celestial page, Superman has taken attacks that even Mr. Mxy couldn’t handle and beaten the crap out of imperiex, who eats galaxies and is powered by the Big Bang. So unless Thor is as powerful as a 5th dimensional imp, he could not hurt Superman.
Superman It’s more than that, I was pointing out how easily it can do that. And for the super flare you’re wrong.
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars. So yeah, it would destroy Thor instantly.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxy’s powers.
Thor Okay? Still doesn't change the fact that you only proved the Infinite Mass Punch is Planetary in power. Lmao, you are STILL being dishonest. Not only does that scan say "miniature supernovas", but also, the Earth obviously still exists, so the Super Flare is not even Planetary in power. Lol. I'm telling you, Superman is one of the weakest, most basic characters ever. Find someone better. And you act as though Thor can't survive Universal level attacks. Thor can survive Universal level attacks threefold and act like nothing happened. So once Superman exerts his most powerful attack on Thor, and turns into a human essentially, Thor would just smack him to death. Too easy. As for Superman getting flicked by Emperor Joker, Emperor Joker was obviously just toying with Superman. He wasn't trying to kill him, so it is safe to conclude that using Emperor Joker flicking Superman as a means to prove Superman can survive attacks from Mr. Mxy is not valid, nor logical in any way. Plus, it is debatable weather Emperor Joker is even canon or not.
Superman He wasn’t on earth in that scan. And yes, miniature referencing cells. My point still stands. Considering Superman destroyed an entire multiverse with a single punch, he isn’t very weak. “Act like nothing happened” lol. When he took those celestial blasts his clothes were torn and he was exhausted. Emperor joker literally clocked him across the solar system and he was just fine. Plus Mxy himself tried to erase Superman and was unable to.
Thor Regardless, Earth still exists, so your claim that the Super Flare is a Multiversal level attack makes absolutely no sense and is invalid. Just admit it, the Super Flare won't do anything to Thor. Lol, in which comic did Superman destroy a Multiverse with a punch? Your clothes being torn doesn't determine if you are tired or not. That makes no sense. And Thor was, literally, immediately ready to fight again. He literally acted like nothing happened. And just quit using the Emperor Joker stuff. It is obvious Emperor Joker wasn't trying. It is absurd to use that as evidence for Superman's durability. Now, are there any other abilities that Superman has that you think Superman can use to defeat Thor with? If not, just admit it, Superman cannot harm Thor in any way, shape, or form. It's too easy.
Thor I think if screw attack made Supes fight Thor I am afraid that their bias research made Thor lose to Supes like Thor lost to Wonder Woman in death battle and Thor should have won against Wonder Woman in that fight.Thor,Goku,Ben 10,Hulk,Thanos is underrated,overrated,underestimated and nerf in screw attack death battle
Thor Actually Thor is very powerful in his own right and Thor don’t have actual physical weakness,Thor is god of thunder and mighty prince of the asgardian race also Thor can trade blows with Frost Giants(Jotunheim) for months,fight and stalemate the Hulk in hour,push the world engines,held 20 planets in one arm,lift the Midgard serpants,beat Silver Surfer and Knocked out the Phoenix force for a short amount of time with 1 hammer throw.Tank a celestial blast and crack a celestial skull, Knocked out The Sentry with a single strike after being bull-rushed by him, Caved in Death-Seed Sentry’s head with a single blow, Thor arm-wrestles Hercules to a draw, causing the area to collapse and shifting the planet out of orbit. Thor lightning hurt and stunned Amatsu-Mikaboshi which is an evil entity who had just wiped out 98.76% of the marvel multiverses. Knocked over Galactus with a physical strike after and while fighting Silver Surfer. Fights with Zeus for months without stopping
Thor I think Asgardians is the most powerful race in the entire universes,Asgardian have more advanced technology and high equipment armory and combine with magic plus highly train and excellent combat strategy and techniques and fight and combat for peace thought millenias,Kryptonians also have advance technology as well and well trains soldiers while Kryptons is alien scientific planet they depend on the yellow suns way too much and Kryptons people pray to Rao which is Sun God of Kryptons mythology and Kryptonians also vulnerable to red suns,magics.Saiyans is a warrior barbaric race like to conquer planets but most them don’t have enough s cells to transform into super saiyan and don’t have enough pure hears to do the rituals of super saiyan gods,Amazon is basically female warrior race live in themyscira which is the home of the Amazons a land of female warrior that are hidden from the outside world. Nemekians(Piccolo),Martians(Martians Manhunters),Tamaran(DC Star Fire),...
Thor Difficult to say, I think it depends on which version of Thor vs which vs of Superman, I mean, Rune King Thor could lol stomp most versions of superman, but not Superman Prime One Million who can also alter reality that would be a difficult fight for both sides mind you and I can't decide who would win, so I'm gonna go... Thor I think, mainly because I think if we put all versions of superman vs all versions of Thor in a hour length round Team fight at the end of the day I think that more Thors would be on their feet then Supermen, lame excuse I know, you will have to forgive me.
Thor Last time I check Superman have many weakness like red sun,kryptonite,magic and high pitch frequency like Injustice storyline Black Canary scream very loud make Superman ears bleed because Supes also have super hearing ability
Thor Well their both equal in terms of strength and durability, superman main advantage is his speed his heat vision and freeze breath aren't going to do anything to thor. And with supermans speed thor has fought people who are roughly as fast as superman like sentry, hyperion and gladiator and people who are way faster like silver surfer and thor has beaten them on several occasions whilst thors advantage is mjolnir which gives thor a ton of abilities especially the anti force and the god blast. Thor also has more years of experience over superman and he is the better in combat. Plus thors powers are magical based which mean his attacks are going to be very effect since superman is not invulnerable to magic. Overall thor is more powerful, more experience, he is the better fighter and he is more tougher. Also this fight is pretty much like an alien vs a God. So my vote goes for Thor.
Thor Bruh I just found it there are 3 Golden Superman in DC comics similar to 3 three Joker in Batman:Three jokers comics the first Golden Superman who is skinny Golden Superman in issue #4 Electric Warriors was written by Steve Orlando and
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
Thor I remembered that’s one time Superman lift Thor hammer and Captain America shield in JLA/Avengers from Marvel/DC comic book crossover was written by Kurt Busiek and the artist George Pérez,wait a minute so JLA/Avengers limited comic book crossover was canon ?
Thor There both fast enough that a little speed difference makes a lot of difference. Plus, superman has much better strength feats. Thor is a wayyyy better character though
Thor Superman has better strength feats? Thor's midgard serpent feat is a 105 sextillion ton feat. He also lifted 20 planets with one arm which if you say that they were earth sized it's a 132 sextillion ton feat. He broke free of the weight of a neutron star which is a feat over 2 octillion tons, he stalemated Hulk for an hour who I'd say is stronger than Superman. He's stalemated Hercules who's lifted the heavens which is said to be infinite. Thor has also moved the world engine which is a universal level strength feat.
Thor@ThorMathews In fact, moving the world engine is a Multiversal feat, because that implied also moving the Yggdrasil itself (it's much more than only 10 universes/realms) plus Thor was weakened there and that makes this feat even more impressive.
Thor Thor keeps up with Sentry and Silver Surfer so I think he can keep up with Supes. Speed will help Supes in this fight but I don't think it will be a deciding factor.
Thor The downvotes speak for themselves.
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
Superman I think you underestimate the potential of Superman.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Thor Thor's feats are still comparable to Superman even when he isn't holding back.
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
Thor In the CANON crossover Superman was bloodlusted and Thor was pissed but not going for the kill and Superman said he barely won. Also during the crossover in the fight we saw Thor who is mega pissed fighting both Superman and Martian Manhunter off for a
little bit.
Superman I checked some of the blank profiles that voted Thor and they are definitely alts. The NightMonkey account activity is basically only voting for Thor or a variation of Thor.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Bruh, people downvote because they disagree with him, that literally the whole point of the downvote system. Are you fr? No reason? What reason do YOU use for downvoting people, other than because you disagree with them?
Superman Yep, which proves my point about the bias. And I disagree, I think you should downvote someone if they insult or degrade someone else, not just because you disagree. If you disagree, say why. That’s the thing, I only downvote people if they are mean or go against the site rules.
Superman It isn’t a matter of being informed. Being informed on a topic has nothing to do with downvoting someone. You can have greater knowledge of a character than me, but that doesn’t mean you would automatically downvote me.
Thor But superman warthy for mjolnir so superman power+ Thor power vs Thor
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
Thor Superman isn't worthy of Mjolnir. He was given permission to use it but afterwards he couldn't. And TBH the writers only allowed him to use the hammer because they knew it'd be a cool look.
Thor Thor with a hammer would win obviously, but take it away and see what happens. Superman is super fast and strong which could help him win but he isn't a God. I still think Thor wins especially with the hammer and lightning. It's like 50/50 odds for me cause they are kind of the same when you take away the hammer.
Thor GTFO! Thor wins this 4/5 if anyone here is being honest!!! Thor is stronger, no mistake or fake power grabs here. Thor is more powerful: he has more powers and MORE versatility. Thor has access to greater power and strength #PERIOD!! despite superduds "possibly faster speed" which is arguable because Silver Surfer is MUCH faster than superduck and Thor beats him EVERYTIME they tussled! the speed advantage most dctards complain about is null and void since THOR is a better, more experienced fighter #FACT!! and I've yet to bring up the abilities of Mjolnir...#Thafuggouttaheahwiddatshit I just upped my rating to THOR FTW 5/5 since base Thor is already a casual planet buster and high Herald without any power ups or amped. ROFL!!!
Thor sup gets his power from the sun and he has no defense from magic which Thor can use he can get superman to the dark dimension and boom or he can just use magic Lol.
Superman It would be extremely close, but in the comics, Thor can be beaten in multiple ways, whereas the only thing that can defeat or kill Superman is Kryptonite and if Thor knew about that, then he’d win, but if he didn’t, then Superman is pretty much invincible.
Thor well here is the thing superman gets his power from the sun and Thor knows magic but I thing he could use the bi frost to get him in to the dark dimension.
Thor Thor takes 6/10 times I think this would be very hard for one to beat the other. I can see Superman beating Thor due to greater speed and strength but Thor has better striking feats(At least I think) and has the magical and tactical advantage
Thor@terminator1898 Hey there's no need for that that kind of language here. And for the record, yes he has gone up against those magical beings before. And he's lost.
Thor@terminator tf why Jesus Christ do you get that rude because someone else has a different opinion than you, over a freaking debate about Superman vs Thor. Also @Tyrannus thank you very much I appreciate that.
Superman Superman way too much durability and way much stronger and way much faster...it's like a tank vs motorcycle..that's how powerful SUPERMAN is and Thor is super powerful...
Thor@Tyrannus
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
Superman Did you copied this from How cani sound more cringe:101 the book?
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei Yes, the same hammer which was wielded by iron man when the enchantment was not there.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei I wasn't even the one who called it a piece of metal, @Oblivion did. I actually defended mjolnir. You may have pinged the wrong person lol.
Thor That was a funny meme. I'm not defending the original point but mjolnir is more than just a piece of metal. Its one of the most powerful weapons in comics.
Thor And even if feats point slightly towards Superman (do they?) it won't matter because Superman could be more powerful than Thor (I doubt it) and still lose.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Thor is centuries older than Superman. He can never compare to Thor there.
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times. @Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
Superman@Taurus Superman will learn how he fights quickly and will predict his movements. @Tyrannus True, but that’s experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Thor Experience is arguably better and Thor knows more than he lets on.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.
Thor Prove Taskmaster's subconscious isn't fast enough.
Anyhow, my point was that guessing what your opponent will do next is not enough to secure a win.
Superman lol
Superman is not weak to magic, he just has no special defense against it. His invulnerability does not extend to magical attacks, but they don't weaken him like kryptonite does. Thor also isn't a spellcaster or magician. The only magical thing about him is the enchantment on his hammer.
Thor Even so its not really relevant because the movie versions were so different. In the MCU Hulk was laughable and Captain Marvel was stronger than Thanos.
Superman if he always holding back against mortals, he would definitely get used to fighting mortals without getting harmed 😉👎🏻
Even the writer has confirmed it 😝😝😝
Superman superman saves a girl which cannot be saved in a attosecond means that he performed a "zeptosecond" feat the best non infinite speed feat in history of comics, while thor has femtosecond feats at best superman blitzes.(im not even talking about the strength or hax diffrence between them)
Thor your favourite?? so what. I might say captain america is my favourite now if someone pits him against superman and if I write "ahh my favoutire dude in fiction is losing against some fodder(superman) in votes..."
You know how stupid it sounds,right. Your favourite character won't win against everyone. If you think that , you are a biased fanboy.
Thor@Oblivion Majority doesn't think superman stomps, and first of all stomp is not suited in this scenario. Whosoever wins, it will be a bare victory.
Thor Why is it whenever Superman has the lead, the Thor voters and fans say nothing but as soon as Superman loses his lead, his fans make all sorts of excuses.
Superman We superman fans,especially higher level thinkers like me,do excuses bc this is completely wrong,thor fans however sits down like a butthurt bitch bc they have nothing to say,thats the thing don't corrupt it @Tyrannus
Thor@Oblivion Lol wrong . @Tyrannus is right .Superman fans just vote him against everyone. He got 17.5 % votes against beyonder and has got 4% votes against TOAA. People think he would destroy all heroes of earth if he was in marvel, whereas truth is dozens of heroes can beat him. He is always hyped. Though thor is also way too overrated, but he still is powerful enough to beat someone whom superman can't beat.
Superman Do you decide whats wrong or right?
No one votes superman over toaa or beyonder bc they think he beats them but because of how poorly written those charecters are compared to superman,
Who did thor beat superman cannot? Did he beat dudes on par with world forger or dominus or darkseid?No he didn't,and yes superman destroys all solar system-multi solar system heroes of marvel @Dhruv
Superman İts pretty obvious you don't know know shit about him which marvel hero can resist a mindrape from torquams vo or can stand against solar flare's 4d attack potency? Did those heroes ever beat someone on par with guys i mentioned above?
Thor@Oblivion Many heroes can beat superman. Thor, sentry, gladiator, hulk,iceman , starbrand,doctor strange, scarlet witch, phoenix, silver surfer can beat superman easily. Sentry has stalemated galactus and defeated molecule man who can fix the multiverse with his finger and is equal to beyonder.
Thor and hulk both have defeated sentry, and hulk was holding back.
Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods, fought an amped hulk and thing together and managed to bfr hulk , caused galactus to scream from pain, toppled the great arishem who is one of the most powerful celestials, made a crack in exitar's skull and all this was done in base form. With hulk's case, he has defeated onslaught when entire avengers and x-men were not able to put a scratch on him, resisted mind control from most powerful telepath on earth, shook infinite dimensions and beyonder said hulk has infinite strength, broke adamantium on several occasions, regenerated from a skeleton, destroyed US with a single step when going wbh , defeated sentry who has an unfair advantage over hulk as he calms hulk down pretty easily. List goes on and on andon, superman loses against everyone of these.
Superman > Many heroes can beat superman. Thor, sentry, gladiator, hulk,iceman , starbrand,doctor strange, scarlet witch, phoenix, silver surfer
İceman... none of those fodders (except phoenix who probably wins if she fights with her full potential) stands a chance
You are ignorant as hell...that is pre retcon mm the one sentry defeated was cosmic cube mm (which is even lower than post retcon beyonder who is universe+ at best)
>Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods,what is the power level of those gods?
>caused galactus to scream from pain,considering how unimpresive galactus is,that isnt big thing superman stomped world forger,a being who scales to a realm which transcends the entire dc with a finite amp,he was able to beat dominus who created his own phantom zone which is infinite d whith kryptonian martial arts and was completely unaffected by his hax and reality warping,he can go solar flare and absorb them or all simply can beat them to death,he can stop whatever pathetic haxxes they have with beta state and send them more powerfuly with Alpha state,also none of those attacks from those charecters you mentioned can hurt him (godblast etc)
here he tanks a magical blast which can destroy a universe
here he tanks another magical attack from the wizard(multiverse+) while he was terribly weakened
İm not even mentioning the speed diffrence between them at base he also becomes nigh omnipresent with rao state
here he rips evolved doomsday (which is way more powerful than base doomsday)in half
also keep in mind that a huge part of feats i mentioned here is new52 or post crisis and current rebirth superman in unimagenably beyond both of them.
hope never dies
Thor Looks like anyone who can beat superman is a fodder for you. Even superman fans agree scarlet witch and doctor strange mop the floor with him. Their strength is superman's weakness. SS beats superman without much trouble. You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes. Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly. Phoenix bodies him.Sentry defeats him easily. He stalemated galactus, ripped ares in half and starbrand has handled the entire avengers simultaneously while holding back. Dont wanna argue about hulk or gladiator beating superman, otherwise debate might go pretty long.
Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal so superman tanking universe busting attack is not very impressive.
Ripping apart doomsday is not great. Thor also cracked exitar's skull who is one of the most powerful celestials .Thor has no weakness. Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness.
Superman >Even superman fans agree scarlet witch and doctor strange mop the floor with him.
no,no one does actually,he speedblitzes them easily.
>Their strength is superman's weakness
Another big NO,in the comment i posted above he no sells magical attacks from magical beings way above than wanda or stephen. here he no sells another magical attack from enchantress.
>You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes
People are ignorant,im not a huge part of this site is mcu fans who doesn't know shit about dc or marvel fans who never read a dc comic and choose to downplay superman to hell and wank others to heavens, i dont really care what others think,but power scaling and feats clearly show he stomps
>Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly no he cant superman wasn't affected by fucking omega beams,what makes you think iceman can even touch to him,also keep in mind,SPEEDBLİTZ,superman has a zeptosecond feat while those charecters you mentioned have femtosecond,superman has speed advantage between 1m and 1b times,
>Ripping apart doomsday is not great. it is also like i said his world forger and dominus feats>>>beating some fodder celestial
Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness,marvel fan bullshit nothing else please stop using this for fucks sake
>Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal,a mildly fed galactus is barely multi galaxy,while darkseid's omega beams and the universal magical blast he tanked scales way above than galactus's dumb blast.
also i repeat rebirth superman is consistently universal
Give feats rather than saying:PHoenİx bOdiEs hiM.SEnTry deFeaTs hiM eaSily
Also a friendly advice, dont debate about charecters you don't know shit about
Thor Lol galactus bodied darkseid and darkseid omega beams had no effect on galactus when they met and then you say his omega beams are more powerful .
This site has mcu fans. Ironic, ss has never appeared in mcu. People vote to their favourite character and supes way more popular than ss still he is losing. SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.
Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed?Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot and scarlet witch can warp reality and has faced off against thor who is way above ftl. Speed aint helping against these two. Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial. Do you really think supes stands a chance even against the weakest celestial. I mean avengers can barely do anything to them. Thor's god blast, which can kill immortal beings, barely made a crack in his skull. I have already given sentry's feats of defeating molecule man who still in his weak form can erase superman with a wave of his hand and he stalemated galactus who wouldnt even notice superman as he no sells attacks of avengers and has defeated thanos (who solos avengers and would body superman). Phoenix is a galactus level being and if she becomes dark phoenix bye bye superman. Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman.
Superman İGNORANCE ALARM♿♿♿♿♿♿♿♿
Crossovers are non canon and the darkseid was used in the crossover was his solar systemic avatar,Superman was able to resist omega beams from a universal+ avatar and beat him.
Superman >Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed,Yes i do,they aren't worth mentioning compared to superman.
>Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot,and he loses also nothing puts current dormammu above low2c
>scarlet witch can warp reality,Superman negs it with krptonian martial arts
Phoenix is a galactus level being,galactus is less than fodder compared to rebirth superman
>Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial,Yes i did bc he beat beings who would solo entire race of celestials,(dominus,wf)
>Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman. you dont get it with the finite amp he got from 102 suns he oneshotted an being who transcends dc multiverse,he with an finite amp performed a feat infinite infinities greater than marvel heroes ever did
>SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.won't work superman stores light in his cells he can keep up for a long time withou sun and speedblitz him or can crush him with his superior AP
Thor@Oblivion You just proved me right. Like many biased Superman fans most of what you say is you sending insults and getting yourself worked up while the people who voted Thor stay calm. Also like many others the main crux of your argument is that because Superman stands for hope he must win. But in a fair fight he will lose against Thor.
Also some of those feats were misrepresented in a biased manner. Shazam fought Eclipso Superman (who boosts his hosts) while holding back the whole time.
Superman İ never insulted anyone,please mind your own business and try not to annoy me,no one asked for your extremely unneeded opinion that i don't give two fucks about.@Tyrannus
Thor You called Thor voters "butthurt bitch", you kept talking down to @Dhruv like he didn't know (even though it was you who got the feats wrong) and funnily enough you did so again in your very last reply. Stop whining and being so sensitive
Thor Lol @Tyrannus Let him insult others. I agree i am not the thor expert on this site. @Oblivion As i said i can bring out feats to downplay his speed and strength. Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor. At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth.
It doesnt really matter if you are giving feats of sundipped superman. Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor. WWH defeated zom fused dr strange, the same zom who was defeated only by living tribunal and dormammu fears him making him easily multiversal+. Not only did he not resist 8 to 10 attacks, he proceeds to beat him while he was holding back and that was after he already fought black bolt, hulkbuster, the majority of avengers and x men and us military. It doesnt make sense of giving feats of amped versions. As i said he struggled to move planets and thor resisted weight of 20 planets with one hand. If you were not unbiased, you would know galactus and dormammu and dr strange or scarlet witch or phoenix shits on whole jl. Heck, even ss could wipe out most members. SS can also absorb radiation from superman's cells, precisely what he does against hulk to revert him to banner. I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
Superman@Oblivion You’re making us Superman fans look bad. Stop insulting people. @Dhruv WW and Green Lanten being slow compared to Thor? Lol. WW has blocked god shards at quintillions times light speed and fought zoom on her own. Hal has flown across the ENTIRE universe in just an hour, quadrillions of times light speed. He’s also fought and held his own against Superman and Barry possessed by parallax. If anything it’s the other way around.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Good to see you apologise on @Oblivion's part. At least you are not biased like him. But that definitely doesnt really change the fact superman has been tagged by batman whose speed at least i can say is way lower than thor. Maybe you can make that dude understand superman loses against galactus, dormammu ,phoenix or dr strange or scarlet witch, but if you think supes defeats them , then its your choice.
Superman Ok mister i got every scan of mine debunked and started crying
>Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor
First of all they aren't racing there,its impossible a make a speed comparison from that feat,also hal was able travel from universe's one corner from another in 10 ours,making him 87,6 quadrillion times faster than light.
>Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor
Do it if you really want,superman is still superior like i said with a finite amp he beat world forger infinite infinities beyond everyone you mentioned
>At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth. which version of Superman is that? also im pretty sure he was weakened there,also take a look at this
>At least you are not biased like him
İ am an extremely knowledgeable person who is capable of seeing what are charecters and what is their potential excatctly,i dont room around like sUpeRmaN loSeS tO thİs coMpletElY hAxLeSs bAreLy sOlar sYsTeM cHarEcTer bC i dOn'T KnOw anytHiNg aBouT hİm.
>I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
like i said i don't really care about what others think and vote,also yes i do still think that.
Also i kindly ask to 3rd people who has nothing to do with the debate but here to annoy me please don't.
Superman Also where does it states he was there in "seconds" and this is his movement speed his reaction speed is all that matters in a h2h combat and supes can easily kep up with the likes of flash.
Even in movement speed supes is superior
he beat flash in a running race and flaying superman>>>running superman
Superman Superman can travel across imfinite universe means he has infinite speed,and no superman would blitz everyone you mentioned with ease he never fought with them with his full power.him not reacting to them with his best doesn't means he is compareble to them
Thor Superman faster than flash.What?? I think even @Mr_Incognito who likes superman agrees flash is way faster than him.
Superman says he has won previous races against flash and then flash says it was just for charity and then just disappears in front of superman's eyes.
Superman So what? go read the comic (superman up in the sky issue 4) they both raced with all of their potential,and superman won also it was a "running" race and where superman truly shines is flying speed
Thor@Oblivion Eclipso wasn't weakened, that's how he is. His best showings are when he gets boosted. I don't think you read the comics where your scans come from because you've missed the context a few times now.
Thor@Oblivion
Notice superman is actually flying and fails to keep pace with both barry and wally. Flash always destroys superman in terms of speed unless he holds back.And superman up in the sky you can clearly see its just for fun and charity , see the crowd and cameraman just enjoying the race. Superman wins in such fun matches but always loses when flash becomes serious. Supes won because he let him win.I have already given two scans of flash running faster than flash which you can clearly see are not for charity or fun.
Superman I am unbiased fan and just appecriate both universes, Marvel and DC but this one goes to Superman, here is my logic: starter Superman beats starter Thor, I think most people can agree with that. If we count Thor with god blast and his best feats we then compare him to Superman prime: One million, this is a hard battle at first but Superman can use his reality warping at anytime he wants and wipe Thor and/or potentially depower him. people say Thor wins becuase they are comparing Thor best form with god blast agiant starter Superman. If you can counter this arguement please tell me..
Thor Actually god blast is an attack thor uses rarely but even base thor can do god blast at will. Its just the damage it causes to the surroundings that he resists using it.
Thor Why do people think that fan made version of the crossover is the official one? Its like most people here don't even read the comic themselves they just see and copy from other biased fans. Superman actually said Thor was the hardest fight he'd ever had.
Thor sure i agree starter superman beats starter Thor but an correct me if i'm wrong but in the new Thor issue 1 galactus comes to Thor for help to stop a literal universal destroyer with that being said Thor is given power cosmic added on to all father Thor,i mean he literally helped the avengers with fighting a monster using one throw through all 10 realms to earth,an he has a almost impenetrable armor an his left arm do i need to go on because i think Thor now may just be one of the strongest in the marvel universe
Thor Well, anyone could come on top with both equal with strength and durability. But superman is faster than Thor and that's a fact but also Thor is the better and more experienced fighter. Not to mention he has fought people like sentry and silver surfer who could faster or just as fast as superman. But I have to give the slight edge to Thor, Thor could just use mjolnir to absorb all the solar energy from superman and he would be helpless. Plus superman is vulnerable to magic so Thor lighting can definitely do some damage. Also superman's heat would do nothing to Thor and just put him at a disadvantage cause Thor could just absorb it. But superman is quite strong and fast and could dodge most of Thor's attacks and land more of his but Thor could create impenetrable force fields around him. Thor just has more versatilities and superman has never come across something like mjolnir. Thor wins 6/10
Thor Let's just agree that both Thor and superman are in the same league and it should be a very close fight, but I have a feeling that "Is Thor being overrated these day or he just that powerful ?"
Thor Thor is no doubt powerful but some people do overrate him very much. I don't think nowadays anyone overrates thor considering the fact that he is currently very weak in comics but he did got his redemption as cosmic king thor (I actually thought that the run was good but when CKT killed galactus, that too a well fed one, I knew it was somewhat stupid).
Thor Keep in mind that Mjonir is the most powerful weapon that Thor has, and Odin is the only one who remove the enchantment that allow superman to hold the hammer, if not Thor would slap Superman at the moment he try to block the hammer
Thor You've missed the point. Any machine or unliving thing can lift the hammer but to have access to mjolnir's power you need to be worthy. And barely anyone is.
Thor You once told me you shouldn't have to refer to youtube videos to make your case. And I'm still not sure where the link between Thor having god blast (which is apart of his abilities anyway) and this story of Superman.
Superman That video at least isn't a wack video and explains everything i would've explained for story of superman, and the story is one of his abilities now watch the video
Thor@Tyrannus Well you're a lot smarter than me because I went into the video expecting something fruitful. It's just a fanmade theory. While this concept actually exists in comics, Superman being able to tap into it whenever he needs or even that at all is purely nothing more than headcanon and shouldn't even be included if we composite Superman.
Thor Thor can actually use the Godblast when he needs to. Superman can't use this hypothetical theory filled with a bunch of headcanon whenever he wants. The "Story of Superman" (which isn't even the name) is just the concept of Superman across DC as a whole. It's not relevant in fights like these. If it was, there would also be a Story of Thor and a Story of Batman and a Story of Spider-Man.
Thor@ThorMathews Even if they were basing it off movie version, DCEU Superman was shown to be quite OP. I was going to say maybe Thor's more popular but that really not true. @Mr_Incognito So what did you mean then?
Superman It just saddens me to know that so many people just stan marvel. It’s really a shame that there are so many die hard marvel fans on this site and hardly any DC ones besides a few.
Superman The problem is that i can guarantee you 80% of people on this battle just vote for their favorite character, not ever thinking about the fight. Bias plays a big role in the votes, and since Marvel has more fans on this site and is more popular right now thanks to the movies, the votes don’t genuinely reflect who would actually win. Add on top of that the fact that people love to hate Superman and he’s always been the character to beat, and the battle is clearly slanted in Thor’s favor without even considering the fight. That’s my problem, and nobody seems to acknowledge this. Most people on this site just vote for their preferred character.
Thor Yes your right. Bias does play a big part to play here but that benefits Superman better than literally any other hero apart from maybe Batman. Most casual fans will just vote Superman because of who he is. I personally voted Superman when I first joined this site because its easy to think Superman will win. Even now after I've changed my vote to Thor I'm still sure this is a very close fight.
9/10 if someone's unsure, they'll vote Superman because most comic book fans are Superman fans.
When I made the Do You Like or Hate This Hero forum, the top 3 loved were DC and the top 3 hated were Marvel. 8/12 liked heroes were DC and 10/13 hated were Marvel. https://www.superherodb.com/top-10s/100-4000/
Thor I think Thor has the upper hand in this match cuz his mjolnir throw was so painful that even galactus admitted that was his first time his limbs felt pain in a millennium. So imagine what this can do to supes if Thor let's loose n goes psycho.
Superman Only JLA/Avengers is. Not the other one. Proof?
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
Superman Ok, this is the last time i’m going to say this. THE FIRST crossover was fanvoted, “DC vs Marvel.” The SECOND crossover was NOT fanvoted and is canon. So no, the first crossover shouldn’t be used as main points of evidence. The second crossover is fair game.
Superman@ThorMathews superman is one of the most worthy character in DC, saying that lifting Mjolnir was because Odin let him, it’s seems the rules of lifting Mjolnir changed
Thor@DrOccult Superman is not worthy. Being worthy doesn't mean being a great guy otherwise CA would be able to lift it, not Thor. Being worthy is selective but as Odin cast the spell its who's worthy in his eyes which means being a noble warrior as well as being able to rule Asgard. This is why Beta Ray Bill can.
Thor Prove that he can.
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
Superman So what? Before he'd have a chance to use it Superman could attack him or knock him out of the way. Or he could use the super flare as a counter.
Thor@Lapis_Lazuli I've voted Thor and even I'm saying this is going to be a close match. To say someone stomps here is bias because both are titans in their respective comics.
Thor Al principio puede haber una muy interesante intercambio de golpes, dado que tienen una resistencia y fuerza parecidas (pienso que Thor más), empezarían a usar otros ataques como el clima, Thor sus truenos y Superman su visión de calor (el calor no afecta a Thor a ninguna temperatura), y por último podrían empezar con los ataques mas fuertes. No tengo claro si Superman sobreviviría al God Blast con el que Thor logró dañar a Galactus hambriento, pero superman no tiene ninguna habilidad más para dañar a Thor. Y en el caso de que quedaran dudas Thor puede usar magia y acabar con el. En todos los términos físicos son parecidos, pero el uso de la magia unido a que Superman necesita radiación de un sol amarillo constante para tener fuerza creo que decantan la balanza, y esto sin entrar en que Thor, con el Mjolnir, puede hacer cosas como absorber energía cósmica ilimitada, transmutar la materia ...
Superman My bad. I change vote Superman. I know Superman absorb the sun if increase strength and speed. Thor's Mjölnir hitting superman hurt, then Superman try dodge without blocking. This right, Superman wins.
Superman I see Thor vs Phoenix? There Thor carry item absorb fire. Phoenix will drain then she will be egg. ok... I change vote thor wins if I find battle Thor vs Phoenix.
Thor Thor's magic gives him the biggest advantage in this fight. Superman's other weaknesses like kryptonite and red sun can also be used to Thor's advantage.
Superman@windshadow Superman has faster combat speed than zoom which was shown @Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
Thor That was while he was sundipped and you say that as if Thor doesn't have higher-end speed feats either. Superman WAS dying before that and he gained his power back the moment after he sundipped in the first one. The scan literally states he needs more power in order for what would happen next so he flies through a couple of other suns.
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
Superman@Akhil@Tyrannus being sundipped doesn't amp superman his speed it amps his power, and with that speed he would be going through each sun so fast he wouldn't be in there for enough time to truly get all that amped
Thor Most people who've voted for Thor don't claim that Thor's gonna speed blitz Superman, at least I don't anyway. @EmptyHand Its through that increase in power that his speed goes up. And he was still very clearly amped enough from those suns or else he wouldn't have just gone through them for fun. @Mxy You literally do the exact same thing all the time
Thor@EmptyHand Superman's powers come from the sun, including speed. He had some speed left, and with that, he charged himself back up to full power, and eventually, his speed started to increase more and more. Plus all of that took place in the 6th Dimension which means the suns were 6th Dimensional in nature.
Superman Having an increase in power doesn't mean your speed goes up, Superman should be fast enough to do that on his own going by feats so saying he was amped by the sun doesn't mean anything
Thor Actually it does because power by itself isn't helpful its how it boosted your other abilities. You say based on his other feats but the best one you had to show was a several sun dipped version.
Thor I love Superman allot more then Thor but Thor win s cause of his magic and he's a better fighter, and they are approximately on the same level with strength and durablity
Superman It isn't simple because sometimes the comics say it's his weakness, while other times the comics and writers say it's just a vulnerability. It's complicated.
Thor He's vulnerable to it, not weak to it. Like he is invulnerable to bullets, but not invulnerable to magic. Magic doesn't weaken him like kryptonite, it just can harm him like bullets can't
Thor The definition of the word 'weakness' is, "the quality or state of being weak." The definition of the word 'weak' is, "not able to resist external force or withstand attack." The definition of the word 'vulnerability' is, "the quality or state of being exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally." They literally mean the same exact thing. So, @Mr_Incognito, please explain to me how I am assuming the conclusion that fits my narrative better.
Thor Why do Superman defenders always try to downplay the magic weakness as much as possible?
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Superman@SirSpidey A weakness is something that weakens you. Kryptonite is Superman's weakness because it takes away his powers and weakens him. A vulnerability is something you can be harmed by. Batman is vulnerable to being punched, but I think it would be foolish to say that just because his opponent can punch him means they win.
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Not only did @Tyrannus debunk you using the very comics themselves, not some external input that a writer made, but also, Kurt Busiek never said anything about magic not being a weakness to Superman. In fact, he said the exact opposite. He said that Superman is vulnerable to magic, and as I proved above, the word weakness and vulnerability mean the exact same thing. He was just saying that just because Mjolnir has magical enchantments, that does not mean it would go right through Superman. The only reason Mjolnir would go through Superman is due to the force at which Thor threw Mjolnir, not because of its enchantments. But that in of itself is not correct, which is said to say about a writer who has done work on Thor. Mjolnir is literally stated in the comics to be made out of Uru, THE MAGIC MINERAL. So if we go by what Busiek said, Mjolnir realistically should go right through Superman. But those aren't my words, those are the words of Busiek, a writer you seem to have high regards for.
Thor@Mr_Incognito I did say its not like magic's mere presence is enough to kill Superman but Thor is the god of thunder. If anyone's magic is powerful to have an effect it's Thor. Again no one said Thor or mjolnir will just melt through Superman either but it's a major hindrance in the fight. That's probably what those tweets were in reply to. You can still be vulnerable to a weakness.
Superman Most people are just like "He's got a big hammer!" "Magic!" Hammer + Magic = Thor Wins! No. Not only has Superman already beaten Thor canonically, but his speed is too much. Plus he's smarter, stronger, and tougher. Also a lot of people are just voting Thor bc of MCU.
Thor Crossovers generally aren't canon. Even if you assume so, that isn't a direct confirmation that Superman wins. As for strength and durability... they're too close to call so it wouldn't be a definitive advantage for Superman. Thor is also pretty intelligent and would have the experience and hax advantages so again, it's a close fight.
Superman Superman is stronger and tougher. By how much i'm sure we could debate for a week. The main thing that gives Superman the win is his genius level super brain that can react in a femtosecond and his overwhelming speed.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Lmao. What feats does Superman have that prove he is stronger than Thor? Also explain how being stronger would win Superman a victory over Thor. And give me examples of Superman being tougher than Thor. In which comic did Superman react within a femtosecond? I'm pretty sure that isn't canon anymore. And Thor can fight at picosecond speeds, so I'm pretty sure Thor is much faster than Superman, the canon version that is. Lastly, this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. So just keep that in mind if you decide to continue this debate with me.
Superman Oh great, look who it is. I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor. Are you seriously asking me how superior strength would give Superman the win when you yourself have said that Thor wins because of superior strength?
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Why is it always laughable when the vote isn't your way but when Superman starts taking the lead you don't say anything? This is a very close fight regardless of where you stand. Saying anyone stomps is probably biased.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
Superman It isn't always laughable, don't make sweeping generalizations. It's because in my opinion, Superman would clearly take the majority. I don't think anyone stomps here, but I don't agree with a lot of people's reasoning here. The MCU is way more popular than the DCEU, just saying. No need for an argument, that was simply my opinion.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: I'll change my mind if you have a good enough argument. But usually, I am almost always right, as no one does as much research on a single character as I do. You chose to criticize me and completely disregard my inquiries. So, if you would like to stay on topic, and not veer off into a completely different topic, that would be amazing.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
Superman You deserve the criticism. I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
Thor I mean, if what you provide is not canon, or doesn't prove your claim, or is PIS or WIS, among a lot of other things, yes, I am for sure going to dismiss your claims. But if your claim is argued well, I am more than welcome to change my mind. But it is all the same with you Superman nerds: the character you chose to defend has insufficient feats to prove that they would defeat Thor in a fight to the death, so instead, y'all choose to extrapolate evidence to fit your own twisted narrative, which is dishonest.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Superman They are ridiculous claims. I have no idea how you don't see that it's ridiculous to think that base Thor beats the ENTIRE justice league on his own, many of which are just as powerful as he is. Oh and the anti-monitor, who the spectre (who you've admitted yourself beats Thor) had to have help to take on. This is delusion. Plain and simple. And as a side note, you aren't the one who decides what's canon and what isn't or what supports what position. That is simply your opinion, unless you have actual proof of such claims. You aren't a fact machine.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Thor@Mr_incognito Its just that whenever Superman has the lead no one really complains but when Thor does, his fans start saying its laughable or its bots etc.
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
not voted@SirSpidey You are no OG of this site; you're just a bad influence here. If there's one thing @Incognito was 100% right about, it was you should've been kicked off this site a long time ago, especially after how you act to everyone, including @Galactus.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: The 4 years badge says differently, child. And as I told Incognito, if you can't stand my presence, leave. Don't obsess over me. Geez. It's like tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum out here.
Thor@windshadow: I assume you are speaking to me, but I honestly just gave up because I accidentally erased my entire response and got mad. I was new to ComicVine and didn't know how to do things on it and how it worked. I didn't really like the format.
not voted@SirSpidey I am a 23-year-old, full-time employed, registered-to-vote, licensed-to-drive, 6'3" and 200 lb. grown man, you cretinous, inattentive, vexatious, egocentric, derogatory, prejudiced waste of life, reality, time and space! Stop assuming how old people are and acting like you're the only man here.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Thor Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life.
Superman@SirSpidey Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Superman@SirSpidey
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
Superman Allow me to tell you a little story. Being a superhero fan, I sometimes get curious about two heroes going against each other. I think it's fun. So I decided to look up a battle between Thor and another character and I found the link to this site. One of the first comments I come across has some kid calling his opponents fanboys and insulting them left and right. Whatever, freedom of speech. I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league, and what do I see? The same kid being super toxic and making ridiculous assertions. And a lot of his opponents were just sitting there and taking it. I ended up clicking on his profile and looking through his comments, and there were pages upon pages of these kinds of angry and narcissistic comments. They actually made me frustrated just reading them because of how badly they were written and how annoying the person was. This person was you. After reading so much of this stuff, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, I was fed up and wanted to give my two cents, and thus I made an account. So no, i'm not some dude in his parent's basement scrutinizing every detail about you. I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
Superman Excuse me @HolyJoe but I've told you already I don't go off of spideys dumb logic and reasoning, don't assume I even talk to him I haven't in months, the people who persuaded me on rkt scaling are Lucifer and Hyku, I didn't even remotely say any scaling close to spideys
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: Thanks for admitting to everyone that you have no evidence to suggest that you are a 23 year old, full time employed, registered to vote, licensed to drive, 6'3" and 200 lbs grown man.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
Thor Sarcasm? You didn't even say anything, imbecile. That is why I said that.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
Thor Well, I don't care what you are trying to say. I care what you actually say. Say what you mean and mean what you say. "What the hell do you mean "safe space?"" A safe place is a place where snowflakes go to escape from reality so that they don't melt under the pressure of the real world. It is a place where snowflakes can go and get some coloring books so that they can cope with their stress. "I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you." Again, that accomplishes nothing. We need to create a dialogue in which both sides have input and both side take that input into account and work out their problems. What you are doing is completely idiotic and close minded. "I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point." And what point is that? "Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty." Good. Know your place, little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Thor Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past? You already admitted that my opponents were the ones who started the insulting first. So if you want me off the site, I guess that means you and everyone else on this website, which is probably half the active community, would have to get kicked as well. Is that really what you want? You are thinking like a child. If you don't like me insulting others, than maybe this website isn't for you, as that is what a lot of people like to do on this website. If it was up to me, no one would be cussing at no one. But everyone just likes to mess with the bull, so they suffer the consequences. "Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space." You see, that is the thing. You could have just ignored what I had to say, but instead, you chose to act out as a child and keep reading my debates to the point that you let them trigger you. That isn't my fault. That is all on you. Personally, I want people to read my debates, so that they can be informed of what the comics have to say and dictate. But if you can't just read the arguments I am making and get over the fact that I insulted my opponents, then just don't read them. Stay ignorant and childish. "No, I'm not gonna step down." Oh, you will. Just wait. "Nobody cares about your opinion either." Is that why I am the subject of so many discussions? Is that why I've had the privilege of getting to edit a work in progress Thor? Don't make claims that you can't back up. "Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims." When did I say that? "Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status." No one just calls out someone for insulting others when they first insulted him. There is an underlying reason you called me out. You want that fame. You want that notoriety. I'm happy to appease. And when that day finally comes, you'll be telling your girl back home that it is red panty night. You'll be saying, "Baby, we done it. We're famous, baby. SirSpidey made us famous. Bring out the red panties. We're famous, baby." "I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you." Says the one who "researches" me and the one whose only reason they made an account was to call me out. "After all, you're the one who responded to me." Yeah, because I was looking for an argument. Not sure how that means I am obsessed with you, but okay.
Thor "I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league...." How would you know of this battle if you are brand new to the website, and I'm assuming haven't even made an account yet? You are sounding like you are an alternate account. Especially when that battle is extremely hard to find. There was only one way in which I could view that battle and it was by editing the preexisting Justice League vs Avengers battle, of which I don't even think I can do anymore. Fishy, to say the least. As for your story, that is just you seeing things out of context and you being childish. "I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions." Well, running from the argument wasn't going to allow you to voice your opinions.
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
Thor "Dude, why in hell's name do you want proof? What does he have to gain about lying about his age?" So that I can know that he made unsubstantiated claims and in turn, gets exposed for being a lying rat.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
Superman@SirSpidey Your last 5 comments are not about debating. If you keep doing this, I will have to delete them.I warn you in advance because your comments are longer than my university Thesis and I did not want your efforts to be wasted.
not voted@SirSpidey No, none of them are about debating. Thanks for showing us that you lack both the intellect and creativity to use some other insult other than "you little b***h", you boring stale SOB. And I'm actually glad you found my words very kind, because I have plenty more where that came from, so ask and you shall receive, you little desperate b****h.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
Superman He's mainly talking about you dude, hate to tell you. Unconventional is not a synonym for deluded. Prove that you know more than me or @Joe. Don't tell anyone else to chill when you're the one who needs to chill the most. Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's unconventional.
not voted@SirSpidey Good God! You are still replying? Do you have some sort of hateboner or natural obsession with us? Seriously, stffu! You know absolutely zilch about comics, you know that? My ass you "know more than" us. You're just a stupid, dumb, f***ing Thor fanboy who can't even prove how arguably the most powerful version of some character is "omnipotent" and above TOAA. You are literally just as much of a cancerous fanboy as @soratoumiga was with all the Scarlet Witch w*nk, and if anyone "doesn't have a life" here it's you. Stop replying to everything and find something better to do, you goddamn child.
Superman Stop discouraging other people. You guys literally wasted about 3/4 of paragraphs (They are getting deleted potentially. No more discouraging, threats, or socialism bs.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Thor Thor was able to keep up with silver surfer and surfer is equal or faster than superman so there's that also Superman's weakness is magic so Thor takes it
Superman Until surfer can move 1.85 sexdecillion times light speed, he isn't as fast as Superman. The only speed argument Thor fans ever use is silver surfer. It's pretty telling.
Thor That feat might not even be valid due to the time hax that Zillo Valla used along with how questionable the feat is by itself. Also, Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.
Superman Silver Surfer didn't outfly the destruction of multiverse. He tried to travel back in time because there was no future (he can travel time due to speed). And before he even succeeded, another Dawn Greenwood told current Dawn that they should escape to the outside and they did.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
Superman The feat has been calculated numerous times by many different sources and all have come to the same conclusion. In just my opinion, Superman is faster.
Superman I'm not "pulling a number out" Clint. I showed plenty of evidence as to how that conclusion was reached. Superman is shown to be consistently faster.
Thor Not really true. SS is very much known for his speed and it takes a lot to keep up with him. To say Superman's more consistently faster is unfair on SS
Thor@Mr_Incognito Plenty of sources can calculate it. It's not the math they're messing up... it's just that they're really forgetting to look back into what even happened.
Superman@Mr.Incoginto: I am literally not attacking the math or the calc. My point is any measurable speed feat, any feat that's possible to calculate pales in comparison to Thor's speed feats. Thor can travel to higher dimensions, travel through time and travel infinite distance within finite amount of time. @Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
Thor He did outfly the destruction but at that point, he was moving so fast he was starting to travel back in time. As for infinite universes collapsing, infinity minus two would still be infinity.
Superman He outflied it due to time travel.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Superman "A single panel"
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
Superman The realms being infinite in size was mere speculation. Also, Thor has been blitzed by slower opponents, so him scaling to Surfer in speed is questionable.
Superman Dismissing an evidence when there is nothing contradicting they are infinite? Nice one.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.
Thor@Clint_Barton I have, so what you're saying is Surfer and Dawn only outpaced the shockwave of the incursion of both universes? It's actually pretty likely after reading the comics again but I'll look into it since it keeps saying they outsurfed the literal end of EVERYTHING (which could be seen in two ways).
Wolverine. I know that people call this pis but wanted to mention it anyways. Marvel Editor Tom brevoort admits Thor is slower in reflexes than wolverine.
He also says Thor is not a speedster.
Fails a speed test that Captain America did with ease.
Thor@MrIncogito: is there anything in the universe that can get through your thick head because my debunks can't?
1: that's because he's holding back. Prove Matt can do that again without Thor underestimating him. All that ever showed was Matt dodging one attack so why's it such and anti feat again?
2: nice try to only cherry pick two scans. Thor was keeping up and even forced him to flee once he showed him his true godly speed. Mongoose didn't blitz Thor, he didn't even win the fight. Mongoose couldn't even land a hit while Thor landed multiple hit! That second fight Mongoose only hit him because he dunked a bunch of poison gas on him and hit him while he was suffocating and weakened. Already proven that run is inconsistent.
3: Erik is not Odinson, that's also from the same comic where Peter beat Firelord so if you want to count that you also have to use that aswell.
4: he didn't admit he was faster and he wasn't even going all out.
5/6: why is an editor who's never written for the character relevant?
7: Erik is not Odinson. Comparing Erik to Odinson is like comparing a firecracker to the Big Bang.
I've already told you all this on your profile page, not sure why you're in denial?
Superman God, Thor fans are the worst.
Your "debunks" are poor and non-convincing, that's why I'm still using scans.
It's not a matter of denial. Just because you say you've debunked something doesn't mean you have.
Thor How so?
Don't call it poor and non convincing if you can't contest it!
Prove that I didn't debunk them! And while you're at it try to actually rebuke my arguments because I've sank all your ships by now.
Superman In our argument on my page, we went back and forth for a long time and then you just completely went on a tangent. I responded to your arguments and then you made a huge reply just attacking me and saying how salty i am.
I did contest it, and taking into account how your last post on the subject was nothing but calling me salty, i seem to have won that debate.
It's because a lot of your arguments don't make any sense. You haven't sank jack sh*t man, sorry to tell you. You haven't given any arguments for why Thor is fast, all you've done is try to refute why he isn't slow by trying to debunk the scans i showed.
On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light.
Superman Thank you Joe for showing me some actual evidence and not just throwing a fit over people not agreeing with you.
Thor Talk isn't a great source to use for info, considering he uses his own calcs which aren't always very accurate.
But I still appreciate the scans. I still think Superman is faster, but thank you regardless.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: that's because those arguments were so stupid and easy to debunk. Besides taking the L you claimed I was "reaching" and instead of explaining why half of your OOC lies are anti feats, you completely ignored my questions. If you want to argue Thor is slow at least give me a challenge! You're Conveniently ignoring the debunks I gave rather and only focusing on how I detected salt from you.
"I did contest it" how so? I clearly remember putting holes in everything you said. Check again because I did far more than call you salty.
How don't they make sense? I'd honestly like to know and see if I can fix them. Yes I did, since you're Amnesiac I'm going to repeat myself: he's fast because he scales to plenty of fast characters, he's reacted to Mjolnir as it flew back to him from behind meaning he scales above his travel speed, etc. You claimed those guys either weren't impressive or that they hold back; both claims were literally just two more ships sank. You mean I completely destroyed them and you didn't have a rebuttal so you blamed me? Name something you have debunked! If you want to actually debate me then prove he wasn't holding back rather than blaming me for stating the fact and while you're at it address the rebuttals I just gave either here or on your profile page before you declare yourself the winner.
Thor Also, Thor was able to drive Storm breaker into the chest of Thanos. Unfortunately, he should've went for the head. Saying this, if Thor can end up getting Storm breaker into Superman's chest, it's game over. If he cannot then he will survive by attacking Superman with Kryptonite, due to his dimensional travel ability.
Thor Based on the stats of this database thor won. However, thor is smart so he would probably get his hands on Kryptonite, or he would be able to fight and some of his pals would help him.
Superman Superman has once moved at speeds of 1.85 sexdecillion times the speed of light in his missile feat. (1.85^51 the speed of light. 51 zeros)
Basically, he flew 200 trillion light years before Lois Lane's heart could beat once.
While i generally don't link youtube videos, here is someone very knowledgeable on the topic who explains this feat in detail around the two minute mark.
He also has immeasurable speed feats like defying death while breaking through time and space itself.
All this is just to say, to those of you who say that Thor equals Superman in speed? Not exactly. The man is fast, like really fast. Big advantage.
Superman There is enough time for him to perform this feat, it only requires him to be massively faster than light, which he is. It's comics, real life logic usually doesn't apply there. If you want to apply real life logic, then no character can be faster than light, despite many characters being massively faster than light (Superman included) and transcending time (again Superman included). You running 200m in a 100m race is not the same as Superman's feat.
Thor You misunderstand. I'm not doubting his ability to go faster than light or whether it's possible in comics I'm saying there isn't light-years in a heartbeat to move faster than.
Superman Yes there is. I even showed the calculation of how fast he would have had to have been moving in order to go that far in less than a second. It's massively FTL. It's an astronomically large number, but you saying it's impossible is foolish.
Thor@Mr_Incognito That feat was taken into deeper consideration and I believe people decided that it can't be accurately scaled due to all the weird stuff revolving around the Monitor Sphere, Limbo, and time manipulation...
Superman Idk what you mean by saying ''there isn't light-years in a heartbeat to move faster than.'' It was literally stated in the comic and it has been calced. Regardless, Thor has shown multiple immeasurable speed feats as well.
Superman@Darkwing pushing through time and space itself, traveling across everywhere in the entire multiverse within 1 second, pushing darkseid through multiple plains of existence onto the source wall in a few moments, showing equal speed to Zoom, breaking the bonds of infinity on accident
^ 5 examples of Supermans immeasurable speed, don't downplay his speed
Thor@Empty Your misunderstanding as well. I'm not doubting his speed ability (and stop assuming I do) I was doubting how that was possible time wise give there wasn't enough time in that time.
4) Wonder Woman's feat with Zoom was more impressive as it was actually shown on panel that Zoom was moving through physical time when she caught him. Also, this was Reverse-Flash (PZ is a stupid name) and he said Superman's speed RIVALS his own. That means they're somewhat relative, but not quite which makes sense considering Thawne would be faster than Superman via scaling to the Flash (don't even try with the Superman VS Flash argument). Also, Green Lantern who is relatively in the same ballpark as Superman in terms of speed said that Reverse-Flash was too fast to get a good look on. Superman knocked him down by moving in front of him so Reverse-Flash ended up smashing into his arm.
5) That would be infinite speed and more importantly, that was Pre-Crisis Superman.
Superman Superman's survived a point blank shot from the omega beams without a scratch and was able to equal them with his heat vision. SS was one-shot by the same omega beams, so you could say the same for Superman.
Superman Actually, this crossover WAS Canon. Both companies have approved it actually was canon since this event was referenced in both later on in canonical titles. If you want the proof i'm happy to provide it.
not voted@Mr_Incognito Even so, it doesn't necessarily mean Superman actually would defeat Thor. Both of the characters have undergone much more development over the years and the outcome would be entirely different than in the crossover.
Superman@Akhil No, that was the first crossover back in 1996 determined by fan votes. The second (and most recent) crossover in 2007 (JLA/Avengers) is the one where Superman defeats Thor after a good fight. This crossover is actually canon to both companies, to my surprise as well. @Joe I see your point and i get where you're coming from. However, personally i think it does follow that if Superman has won in the past, he most likely would do it again. I'm not sure it would be that different than the crossover, at least in my eyes, but who knows. I'm just saying that there is a canon fight in which Superman was victorious.
Thor Lex Luthor vs Superman = Superman #149
Harley Quinn vs Superman = Harley's little black book #5
Joker vs Superman = Doesn't really count because Joker stole Mxyzptlk's powers to 'win'.
Superman 1. Lex Luthor is one of the smartest people in DC. He has above a 12th level intellect, something only brainiac shares. Lex gets you on his cunning.
2. They were on a planet with a red sun. Obviously under normal circumstances it would be different.
3. Emperor Joker is a 5th dimensional imp, so no point in that.
Superman@duskpikachu aight if you keep sending out of context scans I'm about to get severely pissed off at you, lex luthor is a god damn genius so that doesn't prove he's not smart, Superman himself is a genius, he has intelligence feats way beyond a lot of DC characters, for Harley Quinn you realize he was exposed to red sun radiation same with the time he fought Muhammad Ali which means he was POWERLESS, and why show an emperor joker scan? Emperor joker scales beyond the spectre you realize, so omg stop sending those scans
Thor Thor has survived in the core of the sun on more than one occasion. If y'aall wanna go down that route I guess I can claim Thor's lighting can OHK Clark uwu.
Superman >normal Thor can not survive in Sun
Wtf is this ignorance lmfao. Thor has survived far worse. Sun has to step up it's game to hurt this tough boi.
Thor Why Thor would win:
He uses magic, which Superman has no defense against.
He is a literal GOD. Superman is still mortal, so Thor can only be killed by the Midgard serpent, as far as I know.
People say Superman can speedblitz Thor, but Thor can keep up with beings that can cross the galaxy in seconds. Thor is on par with Superman in strength and durability, but is more experienced in combat and wisdom, as he is over a thousand years old.
Superman Superman defeated Darksied. Hurculs.. Darksied is a fully God and immortal... Thor is not immortal not fully God... Darksied is more powerful than Thor
Thor Thor has also pushed all 9 realms back into place when the apocalypse began, ACCIDENTALY knocked out Namor the Sub-Mariner (who can fight the Sentry, who is Superman's equivalent at least), casually ripped apart and pulled together millions of tons of earth, broke adamantium cables simply by flexing, defeated the Phoenix Force, cracked the skull of a Celestial, knocked over Galactus, destroyed a planet in a single blow, defeated Thanos and Mangog back-to-back, punched a dimensional rift, threw a planet out of orbit by arm wrestling, easily destroyed Silver Surfer's force field, pushed over the Leaning Tower of Piza with one finger, lifted the Midgard Serpent, and matched the Hulk in terms of strength for an hour. Meanwhile, Superman struggles to get through Booster Gold's force field.
Superman Booster gold's force field is no joke. It's survived an attack capable of destroying a planet at the molecular level, shots from trigon, and blows from doomsday.
Thor Yes, but Thor can destroy forcefields with nearly identical feats, such as Silver Surfer's. Also, Thor has defeated beings like Mangog and Thanos, which are about on par with Doomsday in terms of strength. Superman got killed by Doomsday, but Thor actually defeated both of them back-to-back.
Thor@Ssaroj123, why isn't Thor a god? It's been stated over and over that he is the GOD of Thunder, and he is the son of Odin and Gaia, both of which are gods. Also, you spelled Darkseid and Hercules wrong, or at least, that's what I think you're trying to say.
Thor I understand that Superman can lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand and hold a black hole, but my point is that my opinion isn't going to change very easily.
Superman It's pretty funny that Thor fans flood Superman comments with downvotes but you never really see the reverse, at least not as much. Why is that? Also why is it that any comment about Thor gets a bunch of likes but not the opposite is true? Insecurity?
Thor Yeah because instead whenever the vote favours Thor we all get called bots instead.
I'm not one of those people who downvotes but the system is there if you disagree. I get downvoted all the time and will probably get downvoted again now
Thor I Want to debunk Intelligence, ok now I Say Thor is smarter Now this picture shows him using his intelligence, now read what Thor says and I'm going to quote it: "You shouldn't have thrown Away that Club! It Might've given you a Chance against me Titania!" this shows that Thor is telling Titania to grab the club that she threw because Thor knows He would easliy beat titania so he's giving her a chance, if superman was in the same scenario, Superman would lose because he's brawling and not thinking, Thor is smarter overall
Thor What I think that most people won't consider is that Thor has the advantage due to his primary method of attack being superman's second weakness. Superman is weak to magic. Thor matches him in nearly every aspect plus he has superior combat ability and magic hammer and lightning. the fight could honestly go either way (because supes is no stranger to facing magic users) but Thor certainly has the advantage.
Superman Superman has faced magic users before. It isn't the deciding factor here. Thor also is not as fast, can't hit as hard, and is not as durable. I agree this fight could go either way, but magic is not the deciding factor.
Thor No one ever says magic alone is why Superman loses but it's quite the hindrance and gives Thor an important edge when they're already quite similar
Superman I've seen people say that quite a bit on this site. It doesn't even make that much of a difference tbh. He's fought on par with Shazam, Black Adam, Hawkman w/ the Claw of Horus, and even Mordru.
Thor Think about. Thor and Superman are already quite similar in almost everything. The only difference is that Thor has a magic advantage which should be enough to tip the scales
Superman Not true. They have many different abilities and their physiology is quite different. Also, Superman is faster and stronger/more durable while Thor has more combat experience. However, even if it were true that they were completely equal in all categories, Thor's magic wouldn't tip the scales. See the examples i've provided above. Many of those characters would clean thor's clock and superman took them on
Thor I meant they're similar in strength, durability, speed etc. I wouldn't say Superman's better given he's been knocked out a few times while Thor always gets up again.
The same could be said about Thor who's been able to beat Mangog, nearly killed Galactus and kept fighting after nearly having his jaw taken off. The former 2 would beat Superman
Superman@ThorMathews, Thor is the god of thunder not strength. While superman have carried a whole solar system in a chain like array without even sweating just because it's sun is dying. People keep saying superman is weak to Thor's magic, but I don't see where Thor is invulnerable to Superman's heat vision, plus when lois lane got the powers of superman, she killed Black Adam who is a powerful magic user
Thor@DrOccult Thor is the God of Thunder, Lightning, Strength, Oak trees, and is also a War God as well, associated with fertility also. He's the god of more things than one. Thor has casually fought in the middle of the sun, 27 million degrees fahrenheit, I think he can take a little Superman heat vision lol. The solar system feat is pre crisis anyways and Thor as lifted much more regardless. Magic or no magic weakness, Thor will still win this fight
Superman@ThorMatthews How am I delusional? Thor is the god of thunder, not strength. Until Thor lifts something equivalent to all of existence, he isn't as strong as Superman.
Thor@Mr_Incognito, Once again like I said before he's the God of multiple things🤦🏼♀️ Superman has never lifted all of existence, the book of infinite page feat isn't that. Name another feat that is actually quantifiable then you have an argument but Superman doesn't have a feat greater than over 2 octillion tons
Thor Clearly you don't know about Marvels mythology or Norse mythology at all. He IS The God of STRENGTH,Thunder, Lightning, Oak trees, Protection, among other things. The Vikings literally prayed to Thor for strength in battle!
Superman Mandrakk stated that the book contained all of existence itself and had the entire multiverse growing inside of it.
Where are you getting the Octillion tons feat? The 20 planets feat i've already debunked and the neutron star is a durability feat, not strength. Superman moves the chains of Maggeddon, which has been stated to be four times heavier than Jupiter, which by itself is over a septillion tons. He's also pushed against Warwold (much larger than earth) while it was being powered by the big bang. He's lifted and thrown an entire solar system on his own and also pulled highfathers staff out of the source wall. There's examples of lifting greater than octillions, not even including slowing the spectre's descent. Proof the heavens are infinite weight and that hercules lifted them?
Superman@ThorMathews Now there is no need to emphasize on your ignorance against Superman, you keep saying Thor is god of many things is not logical. I understand what it meant to be god in both dc and marvel, a god can possess some features of other gods doesn't mean he is the god of it
Thor Superman (and Shazam) dropped the book of infinity. They couldn't hold it.
The solar system feat is pre-crisis.
He needed help just slowing Spectre unconscious body falling. Not that impressive.
Thor@Mr_Incognito the book contains all of existence as in all knowledge of all books possible. If it were truly infinite why would Superman struggle moving the moon and the earth before? The nuetron star is a lifting feat. He breaks free from it. Once again your logic to debunking makes no sense Thor lifted himself while under the weight of twenty planets thus lifting the weight. Hercules is lifting the universe when he does it. Best lifting feat in comics no cap. Thor has match Hulk for an entire hour also. Superman is not stronger than the Hulk, not even close. Hulk, Herc, and Thor, are all stronger than Supes. Supes is much faster tho
Thor@DrOccult Thor is the God of Strength for the NORSE PANTHEON! Hercules is the God of Strength for the Olympian pantheon. If you knew anything about mythology 🙄... Odin is also the God of more than one thing, Wisdom, Magic, Poetry, War, and that is FACT!
Superman@Tyrannus the feat was actually Post-Crisis.
@ThorMathews It was literally said that the multiverse grows within it. Mandrakk stated the entire existence is contained in the book. Nowhere it stated it was only the knowledge. Before you say that Ultraman read the last page, that was later contradicted. He said he read the last page and saw Mandrakk win. Guess what? Mandrakk lost. Stop using low-end feats to lowball Supes. Thor has plenty of low-end as well. Why are you talking about mythology, dude? Mythology =/= comics. Being god of multiple things isn't going to help Thor win this fight lmao. Superman is comparable to Thor in power, but puts him to shame in terms of speed. He makes him look like a turtle. He has much better feats and scaling overall, gg. Btw. Don't think of me as Superman fanboy, because I actually prefer Thor over Superman, but I know his limits.
Thor From what I've seen of all Superman and Thor's strength feats Thor consistently shows he's stronger. Yes Superman is faster. But Thor is greater than or equal to him in every other category. Thor's done fine against beings just as fast or faster than Superman, Silver Surfer for example and speed was never an issue
Superman@Tyrannus He did lift it. He and shazam moved the book.
Yes, he pulled a solar system on his back in pre crisis, but here he is throwing an entire solar system post-crisis, way more than 2 octillion tons. https://m.imgur.com/a/D9eD4
Thor@Mr_Incogito a neutron star is 1.4 times the weight of the sun. The sun is approximately 2 octillion tons. Making a neutron star 2.8 octillion tons. You can fit 1000 Jupiter's inside the sun. Even to take 9 Jupiter's and the sun being generous as the solar system that doesn't touch the weight of a neutron star. Neutron Star> Solar System. However that feat is very impressive and I personally consider it supes best strength feat. Considering he did it by himself and it is somewhat quantifiable
Superman@ThorMatthews I mean, i think that Superman's book feat is more impressive but ok. Lifting strength really isn't that important in this fight. Striking strength is more important and I think Superman has the edge. But i can at least agree both are impressive feats. I mean, it technically was just a bomb that simulated a neutron star's pressure, but i won't get into semantics.
Superman I also just wanna add that pushing against a giant-sized planet that's being powered by the big bang itself is nuts. Superman pushed a planet against the weight and power of a universe. Him removing the staff from the source wall is also universal strength.
Thor Like i said before, thor is stronger, even in lifting strength, If Superman needed Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter to lift the Earth while Thor didn't need Juggernaut or World War Hulk for help, I Think we already know Who is stronger
Thor@Mr_Incognito over 2 octillion tons is more than anything supes has done. Not to mention the world engine which connects the 9 realms. Thor casually walks in the middle of the sun, has fought Zeus for months, and taken blast from celestials. Thor is a much better tactician, Thor is much more experienced and wiser in battle.
Superman Superman moved the chains of Maggeddon which dwarfs earth hundreds of times over. Also there's slowing the descent of the spectre and lifting a book of infinite pages (that has been confirmed by the Writer) and Mandrakk stated it to contain all of existence. So no, 2 octillion is not. Superman has also pulled highfather's staff out of the source wall. The only feat of those that is impressive is taking celestial blasts, but Superman has taken blasts from Mordru, the Anti-monitor, Imperiex (powered by the big bang), and Darkseid. He's also survived shots from the void hound, survived the source wall exploding in his face, and being in the middle of Apokolips and new genesis colliding. Oh, and survived getting hit into space by Emperor Joker. Superman has a super brain that can process information thousands of times fast, has a perfect photographic memory, and a genius-level intellect. He can even read and memorize someone's DNA. Superman can punch hard enough to shatter multiple realities.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Hundreds of times the earth still is not as heavy as 2 octillion tons. The infinite page feat he needed Shazams help, and Ultraman said he read the last chapter. It's more like it contained every book possible. And may I ask why Superman has needed help to move the Earth and moon before?
Superman Superman has lifted more than that. It doesn't matter if shazam was there, it's still infinite weight. Ultra man was proven wrong later in the series. Superman needing help is outliers. He's done both plenty of times on his own.
Thor If the Spectre weighed infinite that planet beneath would of been crushed. If you truly think Superman lifted "infinite" you must think he's infinitely strong, all of supes greatest feats have been assisted, do you want me to make the argument Wonder Woman or Shazam is stronger than him? Lol. You must think supes is stronger than the Hulk to 😂
Superman Spectre didn't weigh infinite, you're correct. That's a pretty bold statement that all of his greatest feats have been assisted. Why do you even care about lifting strength? It doesn't matter that much in a fight. What matters is striking strength and in that category Superman is stronger. You could make the argument if you'd like, doesn't mean it'd be accurate though. I don't know who's stronger between Supes and hulk. I do know that both have ways to increase their strength, but that the sun is more reliable than anger
Thor Superman can what, shake planets with punches? Thor can tank a star-busting attack pretty easily. And he can shatter planets with shockwaves of his punches and hits with Mjolnir with ease. Superman can react in milliseconds whereas Thor can react in mere microseconds. He can keep up with Silver Surfer and can throw Mjolnir faster than light speed. And you can't really say Superman is nearly as fast as the Flash because Flash screws around every time they fight or race, he even admitted it and proceeded to show his true speed.
Thor And now Superman's only real chance of winning (speed) is now off the table. Thor outclasses Superman in everything else, and many people doubt Thor's intelligence. He has a REALLY old God who has had centuries of battle combat and experience.
Thor Superman and Shazam actually dropped the book of infinity implying it was too much for them.
The Spectre's weight was described as the collective consciousness of eternity. Eternity has no weight, it's a measure of time. Even so Superman had help and was only slowing his decent.
Hulk's feats have surpassed Superman and has shown he is the strongest one there is. It's just that he's not put into these situations as often as Superman so gets mistaken for weaker.
Superman Superman actually can shatter multiple planes of reality with a single punch. Superman can actually react down to the femtosecond. Speed is not Kal's only advantage. He can hit harder, is more durable, and more intelligent. Thor has wisdom, sure, but he doesn't have a brain faster than a super computer. Superman actually beat the flash in a race in Superman flyby #4, so yes he can be scaled to the flash who is faster than surfer.
Thor Flash once stated that he only lets Superman catch up to him in races because it's usually for charity but when he really needs to he leaves Superman behind
Thor I can't remember the comic where he said he slowed down for charity but in the Justice comic, Superman says that he feels as though Barry always held back when racing as he couldn't catch him now.
Thor The one where Flash says that is about charity fun runs. It's the scan I'm trying to find now for you. The one I sent is from Justice. Superman does say Barry holds back here when running
Superman Mjolnir is a hell of a weapon, but Superman's raw strength, speed, durability, and super brain would turn the tide. Superman has fought on par with magical beings such as Shazam, Black adam, Hawkman with the claw of horus, and even Mordru. He's survived a double black hole, a red sun exploding in his face (50 supernovas), getting hit with gog's staff (can harm fifth dimensional imps), the source wall exploding right in front of him, shots from the void hounds (which destroyed 20 star systems on its test run) and even getting hit with punches hard enough to shatter multiple planes of reality (which he can do himself). He can easily go trillions of times the speed of light. Once he even stopped reality blitzing missiles that were going to sterilize the entire universe in a single heartbeat. That's sextillions of times light speed. Thor is no pushover, but the Man of Steel is written to be stupidly OP. That's like the point of his character.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Those are all great points! However, I'd like to talk about some of them.
1) Superman's biggest advantage against Thor is his speed. Thor however, has fought people like Silver Surfer and Sentry who are all on par with Superman when it comes to strength, and they are both faster than Thor so it means that Thor can fight characters faster than him. Speed isn't the determining factor here.
2) Strength and durability wise, Thor can match Superman. Thor scales Hulk who has shattered the time barrier, tore apart Nightmare's dimension with sheer power alone, and Hulk even shook the multiverse before. This makes sense as Thor has an even record against him with more wins than not. Thor by himself has destroyed planets, destroyed star-sized objects, lifted Asgard alongside Beta Ray Bill which is one of the nine realms, and he's pushed the World Engine which held the World Tree, Yggdrasil in place. This is impressive because Yggdrasil contains the 9 realms (and possibly an infinite amount more) which have been stated to have their own universal spacetime continuums. When it comes to attack potency, Thor has harmed Galactus with a hammer throw, temporarily knocked out the Phoenix Force, and split apart Celestial armor. Thor's durability is even greater than his strength as he's taken hits from Odin, Zeus, Galactus, and a Celestial. He's also survived planetary destruction, supernovas, solar systemic destruction, and explosions that scaled to galaxy level or even higher considering he's survived a bomb which could have killed basically every god in existence (although he needed to absorb some of it into Mjolnir)...
3) Thor has stated his divinity transcends dimensions and he literally tore a singularity through spacetime. He also has superior hax which he can counter Superman's versatility with such as his weather manipulation, energy manipulation, energy absorption, dimensional travel, elemental control, matter manipulation, magic nullification, spell casting, and stuff like that. You also can't forget his Godblast, Thermoblast, and the Anti-Force.
Superman Likewise. Superman also has some less talked about abilities, such as his super flare, molecular oscillation, phasing, and what have you. He could also do to Thor what he did to Manchester Black and lobotomize his brain with his heat vision, or phase through him and pull out his heart/brain, or even vibrate until he literally explodes. On the speed topic, yes. Thor has fought fast characters, sure. But there's really no denying that Superman is faster than Thor, and by a considerable amount. That gives him a major advantage because it will be difficult for Thor to land any hits on him. Lifting strength isn't really important in a fight, but in terms of striking strength, Superman can shatter multiple planes of reality just with his punches. Thor may be tough, but that kind of power would definitely do some crippling damage. Durability is close, but I give Superman the nod for consistently surviving Solar System and Universal+ attacks, from Gog's staff to Emperor Joker to the Source Wall exploding in his face. This is a good fight, and both of them hold back. However, I think a going all-out or bloodlusted Superman would take the win here.
I have an observation i'd like to share. Whenever a new superhero or character comes into the mainstream, who do they always seem to compare them to in terms of strength, speed, etc? Superman is used as the measuring stick to compare other characters' power with. The very nature of Superman is to be OP. That's why so many of the popular battles that are debated involve him. I mean, he's on the popular battles page on this site like seven times at least.
Thor 1) Thor has shown resistance to all that stuff, especially matter manipulation or things like that. He's fought Sentry and the Silver Surfer who have MUCH more hax than Superman. They're also as fast if not faster than Superman meaning they also have a considerable speed advantage against Superman but when Thor started to try and used his combat speed to his peak, they lost their advantage of possibly blitzing him.
2) When it comes to striking power, Thor has feats on that same level, especially hurting people like Galactus, the Phoenix Force, and Celestials. Cracking Celestial armor is already a feat on part with skyfathers and Thor has fought other beings like that too such as Surtur. He scales to people like Hulk, Sentry, and Silver Surfer who have fought people VASTLY higher than their tier. Hulk has fought people like Dormammu while Surfer has taken on Mephisto and Knull. There's no denying it that Thor has feats on that same tier when it comes to strength and Mjolnir gives him a MASSIVE advantage.
3) Durability is very close but Thor also has solar system to universal+ feats. Celestial attacks, godbomb, attacks from Gorr, reality warping resistance, matter manipulation resistance, soul manipulation resistance... etc.
4) True. I can't argue with that, but that's just how it turned out to be. Superman was the first superhero and he holds the title as one of the most powerful, but that doesn't mean he's inherently more powerful than anyone else compared to him.
Thor@Mr_Incognito he moves himself with one arm thus moving the weight. Thor's reversed the world tree connecting the 9 realms. Has also broke free of the weight of a nuetron star, that's over 2 octillion tons!
Superman He pushed back against it. He never lifted it. Nice other feats. Superman has survived being in between apokolips and new genesis colliding as well as a black hole collapsing on top of him.
Thor Superman's advantages:
Intelligence
Strength
Speed
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Thor's advantages:
Tactical intelligence
Striking power
Durability
Versatility
Firepower
Skill
I'd say Thor wins, as tactical intelligence and striking power are greater advantages than scientific intelligence and lifting power in a battle. Superman's main advantage is speed, but Thor has consistently beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster. Mjolnir is a wild card that gives a great advantage to Thor. Superman will get in more hits but Thor will get in better and more coordinated hits, eventually winning him the day. Thor wins 55-65% of the time.
Thor Thor has mjolnir. Most of Superman's greatest striking feats have a lot of context behind them, for example, KOing the world forger, in which he was amped by like 10-gagillion suns.
Thor Let's Debunk a few things
1. Thor is by far more durable, I Mean Supes is Vulnerable to Kryptonite while Thor isn't
2. Thor is by Stronger, Supes needed the Justice League to lift the Planet while Thor didn't need World Breaker Hulk or Juggernaut to help lift the Midgard Serpent
3. Thor has done better against People like superman, Examples are Hyperion and Gladiator
4. Supes has lost more fights than thor has
5. Thor has magic and that magic will effect supes
Thor 1 don't Mean anything Thor is vurnable to other things weakness have nothing to do with durability 2 Superman has destroyed a solar system before so .... 3 gladiator and Hyperion are way weaker Then Superman 4 how do you know 5 magic is not even a weaknes to him he is just vurnable to it
Superman 1 Thor isnt vulnarable kryptonite how this is an arguement? Kryptonite is in dc dude and kryptonite cant affect supes if he rages enough or goes solar flare
2 wtf Superman was weakened there and he literally has waaaay more impressive feats,midgard serpent? Lmao
3 Thor has done better? Against people like superman those dudes you mentioned would get oblitaired by Superman,and when you say "better" you need to compare two things Superman fought and clapped dudes way stronger than thor
4 proof?
5 thats a ******* urban fantasy supes tanked magical attacks that would atomize Thor ill post you on discord if you want
Thor Superman wouldn't obliterate Gladiator.
Superman is weak against magic. Name examples of magical attacks that would kill Thor but Superman tanked?
Superman 1. Moot point.
2. Superman bench pressed the earths weight for five days with no sunlight on his own and has dragged and pushed planets by himself on many occasions, so that one time isn't that important.
3. That's true. Superman has also held his own against magical beings.
4. I'm going to need some serious evidence for that statement. Superman has been in comics for much longer than Thor also, so kind of unfair.
5. It won't weaken him, but yeah his invincibility does not extend to magic so fair point.
Thor People are really overhyping Superman. He isn't any more special than he was a couple months ago. Superman's biggest advantage is his speed. He isn't leagues above Thor in strength or anything, and to be fair, Thor does have better striking power so...
Superman He never lifted 20 planets with one arm. That panel is constantly taken out of context by Thor fans. He resisted the pressure, that's it. It's durability, not strength.
Superman@Dark_Wing: Warriors madness Thor was able to fight Mangog, also using his full potential, he defeated Majeston Zelia who had Odin's powers at that moment.
Superman No one cares if Thor is Bloodlusted since it doesn't change anything, Superman is comparable to him in power but dwarfs him so much in speed that he's gonna blitz him before he can lift his hammer
Superman Unless you can show me Thor speed feats including being fast enough to bfr someone through all DC's plains of existence up to the source wall instantaneously, or speed being so fast that when at full potential consistently puts Wally west flash to shame, Superman makes Thor look like a turtle in speed
Superman I didn't prove doesn't necessarily mean mxy is below skyfather fact u didn't accept mxy is above them , hurting brainiac and mxy with pure strength >>anything that thor has did with his pure strength
Superman Superman was able to beat up king Shazam who scales above gods like Ares, Rao, Ares in particular scales to Source tier. I see Superman taking this comfortably.
Thor The first fight did have a conclusion, Shazam won. Superman even shouts at Batman telling him he beat them both. And you said I'm wrong.
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Shazam actually had Superman at his mercy and would have turned him if Batman hadn't intervened. https://i2.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Batman-Superman-2-Page-3.jpg?resize=677%2C1028
In the second fight Shazam wasn't defeated he was just distracting Superman.
Thor The same thing's happened to Shazam in the past where he'd be beating Superman then for no reason Superman wins.
Superman technically won the second fight but that's because Shazam and Supergirl attacked each other. They were only trying to distract him anyway.
Superman ok so you agree that Superman beat up King Shazam? the only reason Shazam won the first fight was cos Superman held back, and Superman evaded Shazams blast he didn't purposely attack Supergirl.. and Shazam wasn't distracting him but ok then, good that we're on the same page.
Thor Never said that. Superman losing isn't only because he held back. Even when he's gone all out he can't win.
Shazam was distracting him because Batman had to tell him to leave them. Shazam wanted him to keep fighting.
Superman bruh I don't understand? I literally showed you and angry Superman stomping King Shazam and Supergirl in their next fight and your just denying it? Superman in the first fight was holding back, and what suggests in their second fight that Shazam was distracting him? literally nothing.
Superman bud I read the comic over and over and literally nothing suggests Shazam was distracting him at all lmao, your simply denying it to support your argument.
Thor It didn't make sense TBH. Batman had to tell Superman to leave them. They had other things to do.
If we look at their previous fights Shazam tends to have the upper hand. One of Superman's best fights was when he was possessed by Eclipso and even then he was straining against Shazam who was holding back.
Superman I can actually see this going either way. I voted for Thor to even it up. Post-Crisis Supes has some bs scaling, but then again Thor has fuckton of abilities at his disposal with Mjolnir.
Superman Because Post-Crisis Superman is most consistently universal+ (just like Thor), and he has immeasurable speed, unless he farts out boomtubes. And I don't think he is allowed to have an platonic level size amp here. Assuming Thor has incredibly many haxxes, he should get this one.
Superman I found thor speed is overrated here because he tagged silver surfer , so i can make a argument that batman is faster than thor because he tagged reverse flash
Superman I do agree that Thor isn't faster just because he's beaten silver surfer. The fact that most people defend Thor's speed by automatically resorting to him fighting the Silver Surfer explains a lot. If your main argument for a character being fast is based on them fighting someone else who is fast, that says a lot. Just because Thor has fought surfer doesn't mean he is as quick. It's telling that Thor fans will often fall back on the "But, he beat Silver Surfer!" statement whenever they can't find a good speed feat.
Superman@Mr_Incoginto: Have you seen the fights between Norrin and Thor? Thor reacts him, throws hammer fast enough to catch him.
Mjolnir has feats like entering the 4th dimension of time through speed, time travelling through speed, flying as fast as Silver Surfer and etc.
He consistently reacts and fights people who reacts Mjolnir.
He can fight on par with Gladiator without using his haxxes and keep in mind Gladiator fought Hyperion in matter of nanoseconds (10^-9 seconds, a simple move would be FTL). No one cares if Thor being fast will make DCtards have butthurt.
Superman Can't really understand much of that, worded pretty weird. If you're calling me a DCtard or butthurt, that's really unnecessary. It's just my opinion on Thor's speed.
Superman Sorry for that, @Incoginto, I wasn't in my best mood at that moment. But anyway, you better not have opinions that you can't back up with evidence. There have been times Thor blitzed Surfer, travelled time due to his speed, fought Hulk who consistently reacts Miolnir, Miolnir has once transcended 3D space due to speed and etc.
Superman Well a fight between both these characters would be epic and I believe DC and Marvel have already done a Crossover with both these characters fighting and Superman winning that encounter.
Thor Depends on how the fight goes. If it's a brawl only using strength, speed, toughness, and one hammer probably Supes 6/10 if he utilizes his speed right.Thor's greater combat skill and striking power should keep it close. Thor can in modern comics fight at super speed even light speed (Thor The Deviant Saga). That said Clark is faster. If both are going all out willing to win at all cost I'll say Thor wins at least 6/10. Thor has multiple magical energy attacks that should bypass Superman's invulnerability and any lighting emanating from Mjolnir is magical in nature enhancing it's non magical blunt force. Superman greater strength, speed, invulnerability (harder to injure) Thor greater combat skill, striking power, durability (ability to continue after taking damage) and greater ranged attacks ( heat vision and freeze breath will have little effect). My analysis.
Thor Superman is a bit stronger and faster.
Thor is more durable, more powerful and more skilled. He has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman. Mjolnir has traveled at great speeds, and is extremely powerful. Superman is faster, but not fast enough to speedblitz, and Thor can hit him with his hammer and lightning. I'd say Thor mostly wins because of Mjolnir. He has the advantage of arguably greater striking power with it, as well as lightning, combined with his experience and superior durability, takes the win, just barely. Nobody wins in a stomp.
Thor wins 51-55 percent of the time.
Thor This is pretty much how I view the outcome too. Both have outstanding feats. I feel like Thor has a better chance of winning from what he's survived and due to mjolnir being a wildcard that can act as a weapon/distraction.
Superman Or lobotomize him with heat vision. Or incinerate him with a super flare. Or phase through him and rip his heart out. Or molecularly oscillate him. Or use his vibrations to cancel out his essence. Or IMP him. Or grab his hammer and use it against him. Or hit him with a punch so hard it shatters reality. Or hit him with thousands of light speed punches in a second.
Thor Silver surfer is faster than Superman and more powerful, and yet last time I checked, they either stalemated or Thor won. So speed blitz isn't a guaranteed victory.
Thor Incognito, he wouldn't lobotomize Thor it's not in his character. Thor has survived the heat of the sun. I don't think Superman has the ability to phase thru objects. He could imp him, but not a guarantee Vic. Even if the hammer decided Superman was worthy, it would not necessarily listen to Superman. It would actually follow the commands of Thor unless for some reason Thor became unworthy. Thor has kept up with silver surfer who is faster than Superman. And you make these statements like Thor is just gonna be taken down by one hit. He's fought and stalemated/won against silver surfer. Fought and damaged thanos who is far more powerful than Superman. I'm not saying Thor is going to win necessarily everytime they fight each other. But you're making it sound like Thor is going to lose every time they fight.
Superman I'm just listing many ways Superman could take him down. If Supes was bloodlusted he would. Superman does have phasing, check the comment section of Superman's profile. Surfer being faster than a Superman is debatable. People defending Thor need to stop falling back on the "But he beat Silver Surfer therefore he's as fast as him!" argument.
Superman Superman's super flare is equivalent to every cell in his body going supernova. That's the power of trillions of Supernovas. No, I don't think Superman would win in one punch or every single time, i'm just pointing he has plenty of ways he could take Thor out.
Thor It's not debatable, he is faster than Superman. It's not a question it's a statement. People aren't falling back on it, it's a feat. It shows how fast reacting Thor is. You pretending it's not a feat of speed or just a feat in general is hilarious. And if Thor went into warriors madness he gets amplified as well and would lose control.
And if super flare missed, he's completely vulnerable and easy target. It's a gamble more than anything. You rattled off ways he could win but most likely wouldn't.
Superman Superman has tagged the flash who is faster than surfer. Yes, thor has reacted to the surfer, but he had also been blitzed by Spider-man, wolverine, and mongoose. The super flare covers the area of an entire city. If Thor is anywhere near him, it would hit. Superman's missile feat or speed trumps all of surfers speed feats.
Superman@Lantern That panel says that Surfer gets from one side of the universe to the other by going through a black hole as a shortcut. He didn't cross that distance himself.
Superman I've seen other sources mention that scan as being a shortcut since he traveled through a black hole to appear on the other side of the universe. But yes, an impressive durability feat.
Thor And Superman was defeated by a man in a bat suit. Every hero has a pis moment. And you're forgetting that Thor has his own move the god blast. It's an even match that could go either way. I give the edge to Thor, barely.
Superman That's because Batman used kryptonite. No PIS involved. Superman could dodge the godblast, it's not instantaneous. He has incredibly fast speed and reaction time, so i doubt the godblast would hit him.
Superman Ok, just for the sake of argument, let's say that what you said matches with the scan (which it doesn't). That still doesn't mean it would hit Superman. Not only has Superman also done that while blitzing the missiles, but he has femtosecond reaction time. He would be able to see Thor getting ready to fire the blast before he shot it, and dodge accordingly.
Thor You're saying that superman can move faster than thor is capable of reacting but a guy in a bat suit can get the drop on superman? He's been decked by aqua man, a much slower hero. He's been tagged by slower beings. Saying he can react and dodge a move as powerful as the god blast is a questionable one. Thor has fought faster beings than superman. Speed isn't the deciding factor in this battle.
Superman Well Thor has been speed blitzed by Wolverine, Spiderman, and Mongoose. Both have some low end showings. Aquaman can keep up with Wonder Woman, so i mean he's not that slow. Batman only beat Superman by using kryptonite, a crippling weakness. That's the only reason he can even hurt him.
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
It's gotta be thor
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact
this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.
6.
2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power 🗿, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him.
3. This is thor's speed combat
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxy’s powers.
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
little bit.
Thor is a noble warrior,I bet Thor won’t use Kryptonite to harm Supes although Thor don’t know what Kryptonite is
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
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5 - from superman vote
And besides, this whole business is kinda sketch anyhow, and if you can't undertsand that then I don't know what to tell you.
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
dc fans never know Thor
even mjolnir solo can beat kal el
he is not worthy
first read the damn comic
then vote
Yeh like a piece of metal is capable of fighting,definetly makes sense.
@Incognito What will his supercomputer brain tell him that will win him the fight?
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times.
@Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
@Joe But as Banner he does?
@Tyrannus True, but that’s experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.
Anyhow, my point was that guessing what your opponent will do next is not enough to secure a win.
It certainly helps.
Do you know what doesn't help though? Having magic as a weakness when fighting someone like Thor...
Superman is not weak to magic, he just has no special defense against it. His invulnerability does not extend to magical attacks, but they don't weaken him like kryptonite does. Thor also isn't a spellcaster or magician. The only magical thing about him is the enchantment on his hammer.
Yeah Thor isn't a magician like Dr Strange or Constantine. He's only a GOD OF THUNDER.
Even the writer has confirmed it 😝😝😝
You know how stupid it sounds,right. Your favourite character won't win against everyone. If you think that , you are a biased fanboy.
No one votes superman over toaa or beyonder bc they think he beats them but because of how poorly written those charecters are compared to superman,
Who did thor beat superman cannot? Did he beat dudes on par with world forger or dominus or darkseid?No he didn't,and yes superman destroys all solar system-multi solar system heroes of marvel @Dhruv
Thor and hulk both have defeated sentry, and hulk was holding back.
Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods, fought an amped hulk and thing together and managed to bfr hulk , caused galactus to scream from pain, toppled the great arishem who is one of the most powerful celestials, made a crack in exitar's skull and all this was done in base form. With hulk's case, he has defeated onslaught when entire avengers and x-men were not able to put a scratch on him, resisted mind control from most powerful telepath on earth, shook infinite dimensions and beyonder said hulk has infinite strength, broke adamantium on several occasions, regenerated from a skeleton, destroyed US with a single step when going wbh , defeated sentry who has an unfair advantage over hulk as he calms hulk down pretty easily. List goes on and on andon, superman loses against everyone of these.
İceman... none of those fodders (except phoenix who probably wins if she fights with her full potential) stands a chance
You are ignorant as hell...that is pre retcon mm the one sentry defeated was cosmic cube mm (which is even lower than post retcon beyonder who is universe+ at best)
>Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods,what is the power level of those gods?
>caused galactus to scream from pain,considering how unimpresive galactus is,that isnt big thing superman stomped world forger,a being who scales to a realm which transcends the entire dc with a finite amp,he was able to beat dominus who created his own phantom zone which is infinite d whith kryptonian martial arts and was completely unaffected by his hax and reality warping,he can go solar flare and absorb them or all simply can beat them to death,he can stop whatever pathetic haxxes they have with beta state and send them more powerfuly with Alpha state,also none of those attacks from those charecters you mentioned can hurt him (godblast etc)
here he tanks a magical blast which can destroy a universe
here he tanks another magical attack from the wizard(multiverse+) while he was terribly weakened
İm not even mentioning the speed diffrence between them at base he also becomes nigh omnipresent with rao state
here he rips evolved doomsday (which is way more powerful than base doomsday)in half
also keep in mind that a huge part of feats i mentioned here is new52 or post crisis and current rebirth superman in unimagenably beyond both of them.
hope never dies
Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal so superman tanking universe busting attack is not very impressive.
Ripping apart doomsday is not great. Thor also cracked exitar's skull who is one of the most powerful celestials .Thor has no weakness. Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness.
no,no one does actually,he speedblitzes them easily.
>Their strength is superman's weakness
Another big NO,in the comment i posted above he no sells magical attacks from magical beings way above than wanda or stephen.
>You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes
People are ignorant,im not a huge part of this site is mcu fans who doesn't know shit about dc or marvel fans who never read a dc comic and choose to downplay superman to hell and wank others to heavens, i dont really care what others think,but power scaling and feats clearly show he stomps
>Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly no he cant superman wasn't affected by fucking omega beams,what makes you think iceman can even touch to him,also keep in mind,SPEEDBLİTZ,superman has a zeptosecond feat while those charecters you mentioned have femtosecond,superman has speed advantage between 1m and 1b times,
>Ripping apart doomsday is not great. it is also like i said his world forger and dominus feats>>>beating some fodder celestial
Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness,marvel fan bullshit nothing else please stop using this for fucks sake
>Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal,a mildly fed galactus is barely multi galaxy,while darkseid's omega beams and the universal magical blast he tanked scales way above than galactus's dumb blast.
also i repeat rebirth superman is consistently universal
Give feats rather than saying:PHoenİx bOdiEs hiM.SEnTry deFeaTs hiM eaSily
Also a friendly advice, dont debate about charecters you don't know shit about
This site has mcu fans. Ironic, ss has never appeared in mcu. People vote to their favourite character and supes way more popular than ss still he is losing. SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.
Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed?Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot and scarlet witch can warp reality and has faced off against thor who is way above ftl. Speed aint helping against these two. Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial. Do you really think supes stands a chance even against the weakest celestial. I mean avengers can barely do anything to them. Thor's god blast, which can kill immortal beings, barely made a crack in his skull. I have already given sentry's feats of defeating molecule man who still in his weak form can erase superman with a wave of his hand and he stalemated galactus who wouldnt even notice superman as he no sells attacks of avengers and has defeated thanos (who solos avengers and would body superman). Phoenix is a galactus level being and if she becomes dark phoenix bye bye superman. Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman.
Crossovers are non canon and the darkseid was used in the crossover was his solar systemic avatar,Superman was able to resist omega beams from a universal+ avatar and beat him.
>Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot,and he loses also nothing puts current dormammu above low2c
>scarlet witch can warp reality,Superman negs it with krptonian martial arts
Phoenix is a galactus level being,galactus is less than fodder compared to rebirth superman
>Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial,Yes i did bc he beat beings who would solo entire race of celestials,(dominus,wf)
>Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman. you dont get it with the finite amp he got from 102 suns he oneshotted an being who transcends dc multiverse,he with an finite amp performed a feat infinite infinities greater than marvel heroes ever did
>SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.won't work superman stores light in his cells he can keep up for a long time withou sun and speedblitz him or can crush him with his superior AP
Also some of those feats were misrepresented in a biased manner. Shazam fought Eclipso Superman (who boosts his hosts) while holding back the whole time.
It doesnt really matter if you are giving feats of sundipped superman. Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor. WWH defeated zom fused dr strange, the same zom who was defeated only by living tribunal and dormammu fears him making him easily multiversal+. Not only did he not resist 8 to 10 attacks, he proceeds to beat him while he was holding back and that was after he already fought black bolt, hulkbuster, the majority of avengers and x men and us military. It doesnt make sense of giving feats of amped versions. As i said he struggled to move planets and thor resisted weight of 20 planets with one hand. If you were not unbiased, you would know galactus and dormammu and dr strange or scarlet witch or phoenix shits on whole jl. Heck, even ss could wipe out most members. SS can also absorb radiation from superman's cells, precisely what he does against hulk to revert him to banner. I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
@Dhruv WW and Green Lanten being slow compared to Thor? Lol. WW has blocked god shards at quintillions times light speed and fought zoom on her own. Hal has flown across the ENTIRE universe in just an hour, quadrillions of times light speed. He’s also fought and held his own against Superman and Barry possessed by parallax. If anything it’s the other way around.
>Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor
First of all they aren't racing there,its impossible a make a speed comparison from that feat,also hal was able travel from universe's one corner from another in 10 ours,making him 87,6 quadrillion times faster than light.
>Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor
Do it if you really want,superman is still superior like i said with a finite amp he beat world forger infinite infinities beyond everyone you mentioned
>At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth. which version of Superman is that? also im pretty sure he was weakened there,also take a look at this
>At least you are not biased like him
İ am an extremely knowledgeable person who is capable of seeing what are charecters and what is their potential excatctly,i dont room around like sUpeRmaN loSeS tO thİs coMpletElY hAxLeSs bAreLy sOlar sYsTeM cHarEcTer bC i dOn'T KnOw anytHiNg aBouT hİm.
>I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
like i said i don't really care about what others think and vote,also yes i do still think that.
Also i kindly ask to 3rd people who has nothing to do with the debate but here to annoy me please don't.
Thor says he heard the prayer from other side of the universe which signifies his superhuman senses
Even in movement speed supes is superior
he beat flash in a running race and flaying superman>>>running superman
Superman says he has won previous races against flash and then flash says it was just for charity and then just disappears in front of superman's eyes.
Notice superman is actually flying and fails to keep pace with both barry and wally. Flash always destroys superman in terms of speed unless he holds back.And superman up in the sky you can clearly see its just for fun and charity , see the crowd and cameraman just enjoying the race. Superman wins in such fun matches but always loses when flash becomes serious. Supes won because he let him win.I have already given two scans of flash running faster than flash which you can clearly see are not for charity or fun.
Exhasted from battle
- Superman
-Thor
Holds together 1/4 of the multiverse
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Nearly kills Majeston Zelia who absorbed the power of odin and dark gods
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Thor’s godblast can tear the fabric of universe
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I think thor will take this with high difficulty.
@Akhil it's shown in comics he can use it
@Mop legit, people bringing up the god blast for Thor is the same idea, I'm bringing it up because it's like saying HoM counts for base scarlet witch
@Mr_Incognito So what did you mean then?
9/10 if someone's unsure, they'll vote Superman because most comic book fans are Superman fans.
When I made the Do You Like or Hate This Hero forum, the top 3 loved were DC and the top 3 hated were Marvel. 8/12 liked heroes were DC and 10/13 hated were Marvel. https://www.superherodb.com/top-10s/100-4000/
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
And also
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
I just used it as an example.
@Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
@EmptyHand Its through that increase in power that his speed goes up. And he was still very clearly amped enough from those suns or else he wouldn't have just gone through them for fun.
@Mxy You literally do the exact same thing all the time
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Yeah, but I am an OG. You are just a wannabe.
Then quit whining, you little b***h.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions.
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
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@Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.
@Akhil yee
Can't hit daredevil.
Mongoose blitzes.
Getting blitzed by spider-man.
Wolverine. I know that people call this pis but wanted to mention it anyways. Marvel Editor Tom brevoort admits Thor is slower in reflexes than wolverine.
He also says Thor is not a speedster.
Fails a speed test that Captain America did with ease.
1: that's because he's holding back. Prove Matt can do that again without Thor underestimating him. All that ever showed was Matt dodging one attack so why's it such and anti feat again?
2: nice try to only cherry pick two scans. Thor was keeping up and even forced him to flee once he showed him his true godly speed. Mongoose didn't blitz Thor, he didn't even win the fight. Mongoose couldn't even land a hit while Thor landed multiple hit! That second fight Mongoose only hit him because he dunked a bunch of poison gas on him and hit him while he was suffocating and weakened. Already proven that run is inconsistent.
3: Erik is not Odinson, that's also from the same comic where Peter beat Firelord so if you want to count that you also have to use that aswell.
4: he didn't admit he was faster and he wasn't even going all out.
5/6: why is an editor who's never written for the character relevant?
7: Erik is not Odinson. Comparing Erik to Odinson is like comparing a firecracker to the Big Bang.
I've already told you all this on your profile page, not sure why you're in denial?
Your "debunks" are poor and non-convincing, that's why I'm still using scans.
It's not a matter of denial. Just because you say you've debunked something doesn't mean you have.
Don't call it poor and non convincing if you can't contest it!
Prove that I didn't debunk them! And while you're at it try to actually rebuke my arguments because I've sank all your ships by now.
I did contest it, and taking into account how your last post on the subject was nothing but calling me salty, i seem to have won that debate.
It's because a lot of your arguments don't make any sense. You haven't sank jack sh*t man, sorry to tell you. You haven't given any arguments for why Thor is fast, all you've done is try to refute why he isn't slow by trying to debunk the scans i showed.
On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light.
Let's start with his travel speed. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. Thor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
Now, let's take a look at his reactions. Right here, Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him and Beat Quicksilver, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
I also found this little video made by Thor Talk discussing Thor's speed.
I appreciate your scans for Superman's speed, but I think you're heavily underestimating how fast Thor is.
Thor Talk isn't a great source to use for info, considering he uses his own calcs which aren't always very accurate.
But I still appreciate the scans. I still think Superman is faster, but thank you regardless.
Thanks for your input; and don't worry about your edit request. I've got it taken care for you.
"I did contest it" how so? I clearly remember putting holes in everything you said. Check again because I did far more than call you salty.
How don't they make sense? I'd honestly like to know and see if I can fix them. Yes I did, since you're Amnesiac I'm going to repeat myself: he's fast because he scales to plenty of fast characters, he's reacted to Mjolnir as it flew back to him from behind meaning he scales above his travel speed, etc. You claimed those guys either weren't impressive or that they hold back; both claims were literally just two more ships sank. You mean I completely destroyed them and you didn't have a rebuttal so you blamed me? Name something you have debunked! If you want to actually debate me then prove he wasn't holding back rather than blaming me for stating the fact and while you're at it address the rebuttals I just gave either here or on your profile page before you declare yourself the winner.
You have got to be kidding me if you think I'm "throwing a fit" when I rip apart the BS.
Basically, he flew 200 trillion light years before Lois Lane's heart could beat once.
While i generally don't link youtube videos, here is someone very knowledgeable on the topic who explains this feat in detail around the two minute mark.
He also has immeasurable speed feats like defying death while breaking through time and space itself.
All this is just to say, to those of you who say that Thor equals Superman in speed? Not exactly. The man is fast, like really fast. Big advantage.
^ 5 examples of Supermans immeasurable speed, don't downplay his speed
2) That would be infinite speed at max.
3) Boomtube.
4) Wonder Woman's feat with Zoom was more impressive as it was actually shown on panel that Zoom was moving through physical time when she caught him. Also, this was Reverse-Flash (PZ is a stupid name) and he said Superman's speed RIVALS his own. That means they're somewhat relative, but not quite which makes sense considering Thawne would be faster than Superman via scaling to the Flash (don't even try with the Superman VS Flash argument). Also, Green Lantern who is relatively in the same ballpark as Superman in terms of speed said that Reverse-Flash was too fast to get a good look on. Superman knocked him down by moving in front of him so Reverse-Flash ended up smashing into his arm.
5) That would be infinite speed and more importantly, that was Pre-Crisis Superman.
@Joe I see your point and i get where you're coming from. However, personally i think it does follow that if Superman has won in the past, he most likely would do it again. I'm not sure it would be that different than the crossover, at least in my eyes, but who knows. I'm just saying that there is a canon fight in which Superman was victorious.
Joker
Harley Quinn
Batman
Lex Luthor
Wonder Woman
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Superman lost to Harley Quinn on 1-1 hand combat!!
Harley Quinn vs Superman = Harley's little black book #5
Joker vs Superman = Doesn't really count because Joker stole Mxyzptlk's powers to 'win'.
2. They were on a planet with a red sun. Obviously under normal circumstances it would be different.
3. Emperor Joker is a 5th dimensional imp, so no point in that.
Wtf is this ignorance lmfao. Thor has survived far worse. Sun has to step up it's game to hurt this tough boi.
@Ssaroj123: Google isn't always reliable.
He uses magic, which Superman has no defense against.
He is a literal GOD. Superman is still mortal, so Thor can only be killed by the Midgard serpent, as far as I know.
People say Superman can speedblitz Thor, but Thor can keep up with beings that can cross the galaxy in seconds. Thor is on par with Superman in strength and durability, but is more experienced in combat and wisdom, as he is over a thousand years old.
https://www.superherodb.com/team-debate-tournament-by-booyah/100-4345/
I'm not one of those people who downvotes but the system is there if you disagree. I get downvoted all the time and will probably get downvoted again now
The same could be said about Thor who's been able to beat Mangog, nearly killed Galactus and kept fighting after nearly having his jaw taken off. The former 2 would beat Superman
Where are you getting the Octillion tons feat? The 20 planets feat i've already debunked and the neutron star is a durability feat, not strength. Superman moves the chains of Maggeddon, which has been stated to be four times heavier than Jupiter, which by itself is over a septillion tons. He's also pushed against Warwold (much larger than earth) while it was being powered by the big bang. He's lifted and thrown an entire solar system on his own and also pulled highfathers staff out of the source wall. There's examples of lifting greater than octillions, not even including slowing the spectre's descent. Proof the heavens are infinite weight and that hercules lifted them?
The solar system feat is pre-crisis.
He needed help just slowing Spectre unconscious body falling. Not that impressive.
@ThorMathews It was literally said that the multiverse grows within it. Mandrakk stated the entire existence is contained in the book. Nowhere it stated it was only the knowledge. Before you say that Ultraman read the last page, that was later contradicted. He said he read the last page and saw Mandrakk win. Guess what? Mandrakk lost. Stop using low-end feats to lowball Supes. Thor has plenty of low-end as well. Why are you talking about mythology, dude? Mythology =/= comics. Being god of multiple things isn't going to help Thor win this fight lmao. Superman is comparable to Thor in power, but puts him to shame in terms of speed. He makes him look like a turtle. He has much better feats and scaling overall, gg. Btw. Don't think of me as Superman fanboy, because I actually prefer Thor over Superman, but I know his limits.
Yes, he pulled a solar system on his back in pre crisis, but here he is throwing an entire solar system post-crisis, way more than 2 octillion tons. https://m.imgur.com/a/D9eD4
Superman's Strongest Feat is destroying a planet 10 times Earths size and weight.
Thor's Strongest is creating a small supernova so if we're talking a Strength and Durability feats Thor takes it
The Spectre's weight was described as the collective consciousness of eternity. Eternity has no weight, it's a measure of time. Even so Superman had help and was only slowing his decent.
Hulk's feats have surpassed Superman and has shown he is the strongest one there is. It's just that he's not put into these situations as often as Superman so gets mistaken for weaker.
I'm trying to find the charity fun run scan too.
1) Superman's biggest advantage against Thor is his speed. Thor however, has fought people like Silver Surfer and Sentry who are all on par with Superman when it comes to strength, and they are both faster than Thor so it means that Thor can fight characters faster than him. Speed isn't the determining factor here.
2) Strength and durability wise, Thor can match Superman. Thor scales Hulk who has shattered the time barrier, tore apart Nightmare's dimension with sheer power alone, and Hulk even shook the multiverse before. This makes sense as Thor has an even record against him with more wins than not. Thor by himself has destroyed planets, destroyed star-sized objects, lifted Asgard alongside Beta Ray Bill which is one of the nine realms, and he's pushed the World Engine which held the World Tree, Yggdrasil in place. This is impressive because Yggdrasil contains the 9 realms (and possibly an infinite amount more) which have been stated to have their own universal spacetime continuums. When it comes to attack potency, Thor has harmed Galactus with a hammer throw, temporarily knocked out the Phoenix Force, and split apart Celestial armor. Thor's durability is even greater than his strength as he's taken hits from Odin, Zeus, Galactus, and a Celestial. He's also survived planetary destruction, supernovas, solar systemic destruction, and explosions that scaled to galaxy level or even higher considering he's survived a bomb which could have killed basically every god in existence (although he needed to absorb some of it into Mjolnir)...
3) Thor has stated his divinity transcends dimensions and he literally tore a singularity through spacetime. He also has superior hax which he can counter Superman's versatility with such as his weather manipulation, energy manipulation, energy absorption, dimensional travel, elemental control, matter manipulation, magic nullification, spell casting, and stuff like that. You also can't forget his Godblast, Thermoblast, and the Anti-Force.
I have an observation i'd like to share. Whenever a new superhero or character comes into the mainstream, who do they always seem to compare them to in terms of strength, speed, etc? Superman is used as the measuring stick to compare other characters' power with. The very nature of Superman is to be OP. That's why so many of the popular battles that are debated involve him. I mean, he's on the popular battles page on this site like seven times at least.
2) When it comes to striking power, Thor has feats on that same level, especially hurting people like Galactus, the Phoenix Force, and Celestials. Cracking Celestial armor is already a feat on part with skyfathers and Thor has fought other beings like that too such as Surtur. He scales to people like Hulk, Sentry, and Silver Surfer who have fought people VASTLY higher than their tier. Hulk has fought people like Dormammu while Surfer has taken on Mephisto and Knull. There's no denying it that Thor has feats on that same tier when it comes to strength and Mjolnir gives him a MASSIVE advantage.
3) Durability is very close but Thor also has solar system to universal+ feats. Celestial attacks, godbomb, attacks from Gorr, reality warping resistance, matter manipulation resistance, soul manipulation resistance... etc.
4) True. I can't argue with that, but that's just how it turned out to be. Superman was the first superhero and he holds the title as one of the most powerful, but that doesn't mean he's inherently more powerful than anyone else compared to him.
Good points though!
Thor 7 out of 10.
Intelligence
Strength
Speed
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Thor's advantages:
Tactical intelligence
Striking power
Durability
Versatility
Firepower
Skill
I'd say Thor wins, as tactical intelligence and striking power are greater advantages than scientific intelligence and lifting power in a battle. Superman's main advantage is speed, but Thor has consistently beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster. Mjolnir is a wild card that gives a great advantage to Thor. Superman will get in more hits but Thor will get in better and more coordinated hits, eventually winning him the day. Thor wins 55-65% of the time.
1. Thor is by far more durable, I Mean Supes is Vulnerable to Kryptonite while Thor isn't
2. Thor is by Stronger, Supes needed the Justice League to lift the Planet while Thor didn't need World Breaker Hulk or Juggernaut to help lift the Midgard Serpent
3. Thor has done better against People like superman, Examples are Hyperion and Gladiator
4. Supes has lost more fights than thor has
5. Thor has magic and that magic will effect supes
2 wtf Superman was weakened there and he literally has waaaay more impressive feats,midgard serpent? Lmao
3 Thor has done better? Against people like superman those dudes you mentioned would get oblitaired by Superman,and when you say "better" you need to compare two things Superman fought and clapped dudes way stronger than thor
4 proof?
5 thats a ******* urban fantasy supes tanked magical attacks that would atomize Thor ill post you on discord if you want
Superman is weak against magic. Name examples of magical attacks that would kill Thor but Superman tanked?
2. Superman bench pressed the earths weight for five days with no sunlight on his own and has dragged and pushed planets by himself on many occasions, so that one time isn't that important.
3. That's true. Superman has also held his own against magical beings.
4. I'm going to need some serious evidence for that statement. Superman has been in comics for much longer than Thor also, so kind of unfair.
5. It won't weaken him, but yeah his invincibility does not extend to magic so fair point.
Superman is weak to magic.
Also, you couldn't prove Mxy is equal to Skyfathers, let alone being far above.
He would end up beating them both
Most of those links didn't work. Try actually sending them or putting url around it.
Shazam actually had Superman at his mercy and would have turned him if Batman hadn't intervened.
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In the second fight Shazam wasn't defeated he was just distracting Superman.
Superman technically won the second fight but that's because Shazam and Supergirl attacked each other. They were only trying to distract him anyway.
Shazam was distracting him because Batman had to tell him to leave them. Shazam wanted him to keep fighting.
If we look at their previous fights Shazam tends to have the upper hand. One of Superman's best fights was when he was possessed by Eclipso and even then he was straining against Shazam who was holding back.
Mjolnir has feats like entering the 4th dimension of time through speed, time travelling through speed, flying as fast as Silver Surfer and etc.
He consistently reacts and fights people who reacts Mjolnir.
He can fight on par with Gladiator without using his haxxes and keep in mind Gladiator fought Hyperion in matter of nanoseconds (10^-9 seconds, a simple move would be FTL). No one cares if Thor being fast will make DCtards have butthurt.
I don't think he is faster than Superman either, just saying he can keep up with him.
Thor throws his hammer at Superman, who tries to hold it. He is pinned to the ground. Thor then hits Superman again and again.
Thor is more durable, more powerful and more skilled. He has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman. Mjolnir has traveled at great speeds, and is extremely powerful. Superman is faster, but not fast enough to speedblitz, and Thor can hit him with his hammer and lightning. I'd say Thor mostly wins because of Mjolnir. He has the advantage of arguably greater striking power with it, as well as lightning, combined with his experience and superior durability, takes the win, just barely. Nobody wins in a stomp.
Thor wins 51-55 percent of the time.
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And if super flare missed, he's completely vulnerable and easy target. It's a gamble more than anything. You rattled off ways he could win but most likely wouldn't.
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Didn't it say he warped space and time and just ended up coming out through a black hole
And also wouldn't the black hole be pulling him back making it an even greater feat?
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