Thor It's Mostly bc Superman is weak vs magic and He barley beat Thor in other dc and marvel crossover comics
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
Superman Superman's weakness to magic isn't crippling he's just as vulnerable to magic as most other heroes. He's fought Shazam and Black Adam so Thor is nothing new.
Thor Simple One has weaknesses and the other doesn't, Also one has a god level weapon and the other doesnt, also one has magic and the other is weak to magic simple
Thor What are Superman's advantages?
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Thor Superman is faster: he's equal to the Flash who can move at 14 trillion times the speed of light
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
Thor 1. How Flash is 14 trillons time faster than light? Any proofs? And Clark is slower than Flash (Barry Allen).
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
Thor 1. Tbh, @DarkWing that is pretty impressive. But Superman isn't as fast as him.
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
Superman@Clint
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
Thor 1: what has Thor done that is faster?
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
Thor@MoP the GodBlast was a move that can kill Immortals like Skyfathers ie Odin who was stalemated Galactus and Galactus was hungry when Thor did that feat, it's not PIS. Thor didn't just beat Silver Surfer he went blow for blow with him being on par with him in speed.
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Thor@MoP do you know how strong godblast is? I have done some research, and I think God blast is at least universal (probably multi universal ) attack. And Thor has beaten SS, I mean he can beat a speedster means he can beat another. Thor's strength feats:
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
Thor Those calculations for the Midgard Serpent aren't accurate; they always ignore the fact that it's a magic shapeshifting being it's size has nothing to do with its weight, its weight is unknown.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
Thor@Dark_Wing okay listen:
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
Thor He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way, Supes is probably equal with him. His only advantage is godblast
Thor "He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way"
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Thor@Dark_Wing Did you read my comment? Dude, I ve written there thor has advantage is combat and experience. Others are about equal I have never said it is a stomp or Thor has every advantage. It very close so Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts.
Thor 1. Because combat and experience isn't going to do much in this battle.
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Thor "You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip."
Thor Is @ManofPower STILL trying to say Superman is more powerful than Thor? Even after our debate that I destroyed him in? As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't take his opinion seriously, guys.
Thor Dc And s superman fanbois, for your kind information superman isn't worthy, in jl/av crossover thor let him to held his hammer. But at the end superman isn't able to pick that hammer again. READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY
Superman Here's the thing says the comics Thor will be weak and then become powerless within a minute away from his hammer also his electricity isn't magical enough to hurt him even though he's not any more vulnerable to magic than the average jo
Thor Bruh, Thor stopped having the Donald Blake identity in Thor #159 1960 where he became the full time God of Thunder and didn't even need Mjolnir to have his Thor powers.
not voted It's hard as hell. Thor is way more powerful than Superman, no doubt because he have powers like Transformation,Weather Control,Matter Manipulation,Thermo-blast,Energy Absorption,God Blast,Invisibility and Intangibility etc. And he is way more skilled in combat+ton of experience. He fought with Silver Surfer,who is faster than light and he can cross galaxies in seconds,so supes canno't really speedblitz him,it's just less possible scenario. Now Superman is way faster than Thor,cause he can reach speed of light easily, travel unthinkable speeds,and his is almost equal to Flash,so that will be a problem for God of Thunder. Supes also is probably stronger,because he can move entire solar system,lift 200 quntilion tons,lift infinity,his blows are creating shockwaves and he can create Infinity mass punch,Thor can lift 20 planets with one arm sure,but i don't really think that he be able to compete with supes with his bare strength alone,without his hammer. If he looking at Durability then it's close one,but i will give small edge to the Thor,because he doesn't have any weakness but Superman weakness are: Kryptonite,magic,red sun etc. And if Superman get's hit by GodBlast then it will most likely not survive it. It's close one but i will give 50/50 to the both,Thor can win in in certain circumstances if he will be prepared for supes speed and he will not holding back,and use his powers wisely. Superman can win if he will use his speed mostly do dodge Thor powerful attacks,and blows and cut lose for while to knock out thor by his strong blows.
Superman Superman is given the ability to fly, has extraordinary strength and is almost perfect, & Superman also has eyes that can fire hot lasers, can see from the largest size to microscopic or smallest size, can function as x-rays and radio waves
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Thor Even if it were canon, Thor still has the connection with the hammer. Even if Superman could lift it, Thor could take it away. It has 1 true wielder. But in the end, it's not canon. It was all fan voted for Christ sake.
Superman Superman is worthy so he can pick thor's Hammer so this one goes to supes. Plus the thought robot(superman) got plot manipulation and y'all fan boy tell me how Thor can beat that? So superman got this victory easy.
Superman Well, aren't you just *pleasant.* Version of Superman or not, The Thought Robot isn't not the one in this battle. Also this Superman is Post-Crisis Superman, just so you know.
Thor white shark, STUPID READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY, SUPERMAN WASN'T WORTHY, IT WAS THOR WHO UNDERESTIMATED SUPERMAN AND LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER. BUT AT THE END THEY SHOWED THAY SUPERMAN WASN'T ABLE TO HELD THOR HAMMER IN HIS HAND. AT THAT TIME THOR TOLD SUPERMAN THAT HE HIMSELF LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER
Thor Some common knowledge for you apocalypse defeated a much younger Thor and that too can be considered as an outlier. It's like saying superman was knocked out by a supernova without knowing it was in his early days
Superman Thor has greater striking power because of Mjolnir,has a more diverse power set and has much more combat experience. But Superman is much faster and people overstate how vulnerable he is to magic. He's weak to it but he's just as vulnerable to it as most heroes in DC.
Thor Superman Is a little stronger and faster, but Thor may be too durable and trained. It is one of the closest fights ever, but Thor barely takes the win.
Superman There durability is pretty much even. Thor's combat experience is definitely an advantage but Superman's intelligence if often over looked. He can process information in a couple seconds that would take a supercomputer years. I love this fight though it's always sooo close I know I voted for Superman but either combatant has a great chance of winning.
not voted i have been studing andDC's Kryptonian hero used to be able to tow several planets back in the pre-crisis days - and he can still bench-press individual planets for days on end in the New 52 timeline - but classically he is capable of moving and cracking planets with great effort. He has held mini black holes in his hands, punched opponents into space and caught and thrown moon-sized spaceships.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
Thor Argubly each universe, Marvel and Dcs most powerful superheroes !
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
Thor I can see Thor winning this in a couple of ways. Since Superman's powered by the sun, Thor could summon a storm cloud to block out the rays. With the Gift of Forgetfulness, he can erase Superman memories or, since Superman has enhanced hearing, Thor could use the Mjolnir to create a deafening sonic boom.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
Superman This is extremely close and Both sides have a strong chance of winning. But Superman edges out Thor 5.5 time out of 10. Superman has better lifting strength but Thor has slightly better striking strength because of Mjolnir. Superman is much faster than Thor but in combat it's slightly more even. Thor's powers are more diverse but Superman's vulnerability to magic isn't as crippling as some people portray it as considering he's regularly fought Shazam and Black Adam. Both have shown they can physically hurt the other and tank whatever blows they throw at each other. This is going to be a long and close fight but Superman edges it out barley.
Thor It is one of the closest matchs. But Thor is god. GOD! He has better combat and his powers isn't just big strengh. Thor is god of thunder and if he gets Odin force (death of superR.I.P.)
Superman As far as I know, Superman was the one that defeated Thor in the only battle they had in an official Crossover. And it was in a 1v1 Battle. In fact, after Thor was defeated, other Marvel heavy hitters assembled in a group effort to punch Supes.
Superman Did you saw supermans latest feat where he did a little sunbath moved at a speed beyond physics and cracked the 6th dimension and one shotted World forger AND destroyed dark multiverse lol
Thor I'm still saying Thor became of faster fighting, combat, more durable, and with Mjolnir he just barely gets the win. Superman is smarter, a little stronger and a little faster.
Thor Superman is a little stronger if we are going by comics. The three physically strongest heroes are 1. Superman 2. Hulk 3. Thor.
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
Thor Thor wins. it is a close fight, but he wins. Superman is a little stronger and faster. Thor is very fast. He caught up to Silver Surfer (who in my opinion is faster than Superman). Thor is so much better at combat and is much more experienced than Kal-El. Thor is a little more durable. He can God Blast him or just put the hammer on Superman.
Thor@Bane333
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Superman Thor's lightning is not magical people, he uses magic to summon the lightning but the lightning itself is more physical, thus, it is a tickle for MoS.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
Superman Actually sups is more durable, I ain't saying Thor is weak just saying sups is more durable, sups is better in every attribute except power and combat.
Thor@Bane333 Nope. Thor and Superman are equal in durability and strength. If anything, Thor is more durable and stronger. You also forgot that Thor has more versatility. Why are you underestimating the Odinson like this? So annoying.
Superman I agree.Thor will not win against Superman..Superman durability and strength surpass hulks and speed..again, Superman for God's sake can tow planets, blow the sun out with his breath and he's dangerous when he he sneezing could blow up a planet I think..he could move faster than speed of light.. Superman would be Thor's worst nightmare
Superman Superman is stronger in lifting strength, sups can lift at maximum strain 4 to 5 times the earths weight, Thor on the other hand can lift at maximum strain 1 to 1 and a half times the earths weight while hulk is around half the weight of the earth to maybe 1 maybe.
Superman Even though he beat him of course he would. Thor wouldn't even see Superman coming if he has bad combat reaction time. So we can assume that Thor would be defeated because Superman is way too fast for Thor to handle.
Thor What are you talking about? "Thor having bad combat speed" Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, knocked out the Phoenix Force which travels at the speed of thought, tagged Quicksilver who can outrun a radio wave, and can dodge attacks from celestials. None of those sound like bad reaction feats to me.
Superman I'm getting tiring of people saying he defeated Silver Surfer. I'm assuming that if Thor defeated the Silver Surfer he must have not used his combat he must have used his physical magicial Thunder whatever. I'm talking about combat where it's like hand to hand.
Thor Thor beat him and physical combat, you obviously have not read that comic. I'll give you this youtu.be/FiSIutHBB-0. a video from one of my favorite YouTubers.
Thor Other than admitting that captain America shield feat was an outlier, how else do you explain Thor keeping up with Silver Surfer and dodging attacks from celestials?
Superman Superman wins this isn't Thor from Avengers Endgame. This is a different Thor, Superman can beat this Thor. Thor has bad combat reaction time. Plus Superman can dodge his Godblast
Superman Superman is more intelligent, strength, speed, durability, power. Combat same. Superman can also lift Thor's hammer look at the Dc Marvel crossover comic Superman vs Thor. Thor can't tap into the Odinforce
Thor Thor is WAY better at combat than superman and a little more durable, Thor said that odin made superman worthy, and Thor can use the god blast, use the elements of the Earth, or just put the hammer on him. Also, Thor is really fast, he has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver surfer before, superman is a little stronger and faster though.
Superman Superman will defeat Thor without much effort and I don't even want to talk about the most powerful version of Superman. Rune King Thor will be nothing in front of cosmic armor superman.
Superman it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman it depends in which universe this battle takes place in MCU superman destroys thor because there is no kryptonite in MCU therefore he is invincible. in DCEU thor can get his hands on kryptonite and win. only Superman has the willpower anyways.
Superman Sure with speed like traveling when your walking and running Thor wins. But i'm talking about combat speed reaction time Thor is not faster than Wolverine dodging bullets.
Superman@lordtracer you are biased as **** don't talk about a character you don't know superman was able to achieve infinity speed and if you were able to travel that well you are able tO react the things coming to you at infinity speed and reaction speed is part of combat speed again you have been downplaying Superman the guy have destroyed universes just with simple punches and pass through infinity realities through soulfire Darkseid who is omniversal through Emperor joker a character that was with mxy powers who is able to put a ******* multiverse in his hands and through the phantom stranger that was stated being impossible to do that and also I am not even using his durability that has his best feats so shut up and don't talk about a character you don't know
Thor Thor is very underrated in speed. He has caught up to Quicksilver and Silver Surfer. Thor can probably manipulate elements of the Earth or God Blast Kal.
Superman Superman can move more than the speed of light and mjolnir can move roughly at 770 miles per hour. So even if stormbreaker is sound speed, Thor can't defeat Thor in power and in JLA/Avengers crossover Superman defeated Thor easily. See:
Superman Some people said Thor is equal or stronger than Superman..I highly doubt that.although he's extremely powerful and strong Superman speed, durability and strength are on a whole different level .. Superman pretty much is so fast he can travel thru time and he can tow planets together and prettying mu ch fky directly into the sun and not even get a tan.
Superman I have underestimated Thor before, and I respect him a lot more than I did, but I just don't see a way past Superman's speed, durability, and strength. As much as I like Stormbreaker Thor from the MCU, I still have to go with Superman.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman Superman maybe your favorite character but you now know if you think that nerfed version of Thor in the MCU can defeat Superman. Superman will win this battle in less than a minute even if we're being generous to Thor.
Superman Intelligence - Superman
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Superman (Agreed), that's sound about right except,
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
Superman I agree 100%,Superman can move close to speed of light and Thor won't see him coming also Superman's durability and strength way surpasses Thor's,even Thor is crazy strong and durable but not on Superman levels.. sorry Superman takes this in 30seconds
Thor superman maybe smarter
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
Thor Superman is faster, Thor is marginally stronger and more durable, and a much better combatant. But none of that matters because Thor can drain radiation. Solar radiation. Which means he can depower good old supes. Of course even without depowering I still think Thor would win.
Superman Magic isn't a weakness of Superman. He's just vulnerable to it. Much like a plethora of other characters. Their strength is about even, but Superman is quicker, and faster. I'm taking Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Thor has superspeed too. And Thor can make superman vulnerable with magic. His lightning bolts will be able to strike superman down and if he put magic in it that could harm superman a bit. Then he can just put Mjolnir on his chest keeping Superman their. Now he can't do anything and Thor can take him out.
Thor Thor has magic which is one of superman's weaknesses. Also he has Mjolnir which superman can't lift so if thor can get superman down to the ground all he has to do is put Mjolnir on his chest and then he won't be able to get up.
Superman Although Thor is one of the strongest superheroes he cannot beat Superman, Superman can pretty much take on ironman, captain America,hulk and Thor at once..he is just too powerful..I'm a huge hulk fan too more than Superman but he's too much for them
Supermanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTGk-pgTnw Superman has more super Strength, more durable, way more powerful, more intelligence, and he can just go near the sun to get stronger.
Superman Need feats for that though. All I know of now is that Superman is faster than Thor, but they are equals in strength and durability. Thor has the combat, experience, and versatility advantage.
Thor I may seem biased here because thor is my favorite character but Superman is faster and stronger Thor is a better fighter has better armor and last time i checked Superman was weak to magic that if why thor has a 51 percent chance of winning in my opinion
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy.
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Superman Another theory, in Marvel and DC's 1996 Crossover event, Superman did lift Thor's hammer and use it. It wasn't canon, but it would be pretty awesome to see Superman catch Moljnier in mid air, and use it against Thor. Honestly this fight could go anyway. Remember, Superman is a power harvester so he could in theory absorb all of Thor's powers, leaving him completely and utterly useless. You mentioned taking Superman to Asgard and I agree that if Thor has the home field advantage he will defeat Superman. Thor draws his powers from Asgard, and when exposed to Asgard, he draws a lot more powers that I understand Superman couldn't handle. Not to mention, Thor would have all his Asgardian buddies to help pummel Superman. Same for Supes. If Superman and Thor are fighting in front of a yellow star, who you suppose will win? Not to mention, Superman is much faster than Thor, and his heat vision can exceed to over 50,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (27,777,760 degrees Celsius), making it capable of burning through Thor completely cutting him in half! In the end, I think without home advantages Base Superman wins.
Thor Thor has sat in the Core of a Sun without NO discomfort, so it is safe to say that he can handle twice the amount of heat. Plus, while Superman might win in front of a star, Thor will see how he gets stronger as he has divine wisdom, and BFR him to another dimension using Mjolnir. There, they can fight. Plus, Thor's lightning is tens of thousands of times deadlier than regular lightning, plus it is magical in nature, which can harm Superman. Plus, Thor has the God-Blast which can harm a weakened Galactus, so it can harm Superman. Superman is faster than Thor: That is true, but Thor has fought Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and even the Void, which are all close to Superman in speed. In fact, SS is faster than Supes, and Thor has held his own, so he won't lose because of speed. Superman cannot lift Mjolnir in canon because he is not willing to kill to gain an honorable victory in battle or war, so he is not worthy. Plus, Thor can absorb the energy from Superman with Mjolnir, maybe even depowering him with it. Plus, Thor can withstand Superman's freeze breath as he has survived the Casket of Ancient Winters unleashing its frostbitten power upon him. Plus, Thor can also control the elements on a fundamental level, even transmuting them in any way he wants.
Thor Superman Prime 1 Million beats Thor- I agree, no way around that- but then, you need a more powerful version of Thor like Odin-Force or King Thor, and those guys beat SPOM- Not even including Old King Thor or Rune King Thor.
Superman@AkhilPDX, Go read "All-Star Superman" where in the story it tells us that Supe's power's triple every 15 minutes he spends in the sun. He spent around 15,000 years in our sun. So that's 4x24(365)x15,000=525,600,000. It would be N(3^525,600,000)= infinity which tells us every physical trait of Superman is boosted by infinity! Also, I agree that Superman is weakened by magic, but so is Thor. Supes has also gotten so powerful that kryptonite and magic doesn't even affect him. "Powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space. Powers beyond any HELD by ANY metahuman EVER". SPOM is immortal and is a "power harvester". This means he can harvest the powers of any living organism (including Rune King Thor) and use it against them. If his powers are growing, then there is no limit to his power. In theory, SPOM will someday be the strongest character in comic book history. Remember, take my words lightly, for it is just my opinion
Thor It's kind of late, so this will be the last reply for today- However, this isn't Superman Prime One Million, and Base Thor has enough versatility to put down Superman. He can use his lightning to strike down Superman and imbue it with enough magic to seriously harm him. However, while Thor doesn't usually use the God-Blast, if he does, Superman will be incinerated. However, even if Thor doesn't use it, he can use the Thermoblast which can harm Superman, or use the Anti-Force which can knock the Man of Steel out. Or, Thor can use his elemental control to manipulate the fundamental forces or nature to defeat Superman. He can also transport him to other dimensions, such as Asgard where Thor has the home field advantage. Superman cannot speed-blitz either since Silver Surfer is faster than him, and Thor reacted to him. Plus, he can also fly faster than light, so he can keep up with Superman. Thor can also drain energy from beings, so, even though it is unlikely, Thor might be able to absorb the solar energy from Superman.
Thor@Dan_the-Man? Come on, Thor beats Superman. He is equally strong and durable, and with Mjolnir- he hits harder. Did you know that Thor can even transmute matter, manipulate the weather, absorb and manipulate energy, create force-fields, disrupt invisibility and intangibility, absorb magic, and transmute the elements on a subatomic level. Yeah, he can also use the God-Blast which can hurt Galactus and he has the Anti-Force which is Magical Energy which can take out multiple people at once and even devastate entire armies? Do you still think Supes beats Thor?
Superman@AkhilPDX, There's a couple different ways to think about it. At base forms, Superman beats Thor, but you bring up Thor at his peak strength. Superman Prime 1 Million which can break planets with ease, can hold black holes in his hands, break light speed,and go much faster, (mach 9350)! Remember, it's just my opinion, while Thor does have a chance of winning, I do believe Superman has a better chance.
Superman Superman in Raw strength, speed, durability.
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Thor I actually change my mind, I think I have overrated superman way too much... I think Thor would win cause he is an actual god, Superman is just a hero who has his weeknesses
Superman "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes." That's the definition of a god so technically isn't Superman also a god? You also bring up the fact Superman is just a hero with weaknesses, yet Thor is also a hero, and Thor also has weaknesses which proves that your argument is false, and from my understanding, you're very ignorant on the subject.
Thor He isn't really ignorant, but yeah, Superman CAN beat Thor, but I don't think it'll happen the majority of the times. Superman is just an alien, not the hybrid between a Skyfather and an Elder Goddess. Thor has some really good divine benefits from their traits, so I think he'll win because he can use his magic to use against the vulnerability of Kryptonians, which will work if used in the right way.
Superman Final Crisis #7
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
Superman It never specify Superman anywhere its talking about every crisis ever made if you think I'm I'm lying go readcomicsonline and look up the comic justice league new 52 #40
Superman It not talking about superman it's every single event that happened and also final crisis superman is the same Superman which is pre crisis superman just depowered
Thor Every single event that happened in DC is canon I know whatever, point is, you can't use Final Crisis feats because that's not the version of Superman we're using. If we allowed Final Crisis feats we also have to allow any feat that Superman has ever done, which isn't how we've been doing it. Same for every character on the site
Superman post crisis superman is final crisis superman the writers don't say it I've checked this website this is base Superman who also infinite crisis,identity crisis and final crisis this is the superman of all those crisis.
Thor 1. It's not specified on the site itself, but ask any debater on here. Everyone uses a composite of Pre/Post-Crisis
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
Thor What? OK, let me prove you wrong
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
Thor Omfg, we're going in circles here. THIS IS POST/PRE-CRISIS SUPERMAN! Or at least what people on the site consider canon. (And even Post-Flashpoint but the majority of heroes are weaker then so those feats are not required.) Get that through your head.
Superman it doesn't say anything on this sight about what version of Superman this is it the new superman post/new 52/convergence/infinite crisis/final crisis/zero hour/pre crisis/and flashpoint this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one he,s the main one from rebirth right now prove me wrong on this.
Thor Omg. Seriously. If you are just going to keep repeating yourself just quit the debate. Now let me repeat for the 31st time. No, it is not specified on the site, however, if you actually got into debates, you would know that everyone uses the Pre/Post-Crisis versions. Superman beating True Form Darkseid would possibly put him above IG Thanos, which obviously isn't true. So not only is it not canon but even if it was canon, it would be PIS. " this superman is the one we all know even from death of Superman this is that Superman stop saying he,s most powerful one". Yes but no one on the site uses that Superman. We've moved on from the conversation of whether it's canon or not, and we're now talking about what people on the site use. Now, you said "stop saying he,s most powerful one" 1. Huh? What are you talking about? I never said anything even related to that. And 2. Please try to spell better so I can understand your sentences.
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Superman I never said he was the powerful version I said final crisis is canon that what said and that this main canon Superman since rebirth and everything is canon
Superman I never said they can't have supes power . They can't becomevas power as he is . Man of Steel isn't apart of the canon DC Multiverse
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
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Thor People please put your bias aside here. Superman is a Kryptonian, an alien race, he is not special. Any kryptonian could be superman. Thor is a God. Born of Odin the all father of Asgard and Gaea the elder earth goddess making him the strongest being in the universe. Thor alone shares many of superman traits matching his strength not matching his speed but is a 10x better combatant. This is shown when superman fought batman and while superman lost his powers temporarily from kryptonite he was getting wrecked. Superman just benefits from our sun. on krypton he like all kryptonians were as human as can be. Now add Mjolnir to the equation. It has the force to crack a celestials skull. Celestials are god like universal entities like galactus. Now Thor only uses 1/3 of his total power against mortals and superman is mortal because he has been killed before and even for fear of his own life would never use all his power against a mortal. BUT if Thor is enraged enough to enter into a state of warriors madness he would no longer be holding back at all and not only this but warriors madness increases Thors strength tenfold now Thor is twice as strong than superman in warriors madness but at Thors belt megingjord which Thor always wears and that doubles all of Thor strength and speed. Now you have plain old super and Thor enraged and quadrupling his total power level. Its complete annihilation of superman. And say Thor doesn't choose this route? Can summon a storm with cloud thick enough to black super precious sun and wreck him this way. What can super do to win? Speed isn't enough here and really isn't even a factor to begin with. If you possibly think superman wins this fight you're to selfish to put your feelings aside and wake up to reality.
Superman Dude do you know who supetman even is .
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
Thor First yes any kryptonian can possess the powers of supes as seen in man of steel with zod hell even Ursa whipped supes. second faster yes but Thor can track objects at light speed and strength is pretty even if you look at each of their feats such as for Thor lifting the Midgard serpent which wraps around the earth. Third Thor has destroyed silver surfers force field and hell even dented his head, Thor defeated the sentry and killed bob Reynolds removing the threat of the void and Thor matched hulks strength for an hour before the battle ended in a stale mate. and Hercules and Thor threw a planet out of orbit while arm wrestling before that ended in a stalemate. As for super beating darkseid batman also shares this feat so lets dial back the gravity of that. Thor mortally wounded galactus with a god blast and sent him fleeing so why the hell would a god blast not take out supes. Thor defeated mangog and thanos back to back and also fought the entire frost giant army for 9 months straight without rest or sustenance. Thor knocked out the phoenix force, knocked out namor with a single punch and namor has even held his own against the hulk and sentry. But enough about feats. Thor possesses all of superman strength while lacking slightly in speed and while not having heat vision or freeze breathe give me mjolnir over those everyday except the ones that don't end in "Y" but superman is susceptible to magic. He has had trouble dealing with Shazam and has lost to black Adam. Thors attacks are all magic based obviously not the strikes but the lighting is summoned by magic. Thors only weakness is that he overlooks his opponent at times but he wouldn't overlook superman, well the avengers/jla crossover he did but that cant considered canon. Thor is almost tailored to be able to defeat superman in everyday. Especially since super has lost to doomsday from a stab wound and not any sort of kryptonite removing the fact that kryptonite isn't required to beat superman
Superman Really? There's still people who believe that Slowdinson garbage? Thor is not slow in the slightest. Dude is thousands of times faster than light.
Thor 1. Thor hasn't really lost to someone because of speed
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
Superman yes i heard of a God blast and i dont mean superman cannot be affected by he can,, so can everyone else just dat people always say it like its kryptonite and superman has survive a supernova whilst being weakened by a red sun.. but not sayin' he will tank it unharmed
Superman Galactus has much more than multi-galaxy level durability. And Superman once destroyed a structure that withstood the Big Bang, which would give him universal levels of power, far more than multi-galaxy level.
Superman Also too in comic 649 the final panel shows not just prime eart or earth 2 superman fighting its shows every other version fighting in the back ground It's every superman version in every reality fight to so it's the same fight.
Superman i believe, irrespective of magic, superman wins,,i mean??? his faster, definitely stronger and has more endurance. and magic is not a weak ness, its a vulnerability!!! it just means he can be affected by it,,just like every one else. and its not as if Thor is pure magic,,he powers are mostly physical and he has used lightning on stark before but only normal damage was done,,and remember tony can be affected by magic,,even in the comics,,superman won,,,i mean,,all the odds are stacked against Thor...superman wins
Thor 1. Superman beating Thor was non-canon
2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
Superman Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman has a known vulnerability in magic, so even if he outclasses Thor in everything, he loses in a solo fight. Just the same with Wonder Woman almost beating him in fights, even if not only Supes, but also Thor, outclass her in everything. But I admit Thor could never beat Thanos, but Supes can.
Superman Superman has the advantage in strength, speed, intelligence, power. He wins 7 out of 10 times. The only thing Thor has is combat experience which is not enough of an advantage.
Thor Superman is an alien "man"! Thor is the "God of Thunder". But don't worry they will create "Superman 1 Billion" and "Superman Armor of Infinity" etc, etc until he is the most boring God of all Superheros.
Superman@SirSpidet even though I'm not even clos to done with my research do you want to do a warm up .(I want actual feats and not that beyonde **** bro)
Thor Did you not read what it said on the bottom of the page?
"Take note, True Believer! This crowd-sourced content has not yet been verified for accuracy by our erudite editors!"
Superman@SirSpidey and? Like you said every time I want comic book evidence! You can't prove nothing.RKT can be easy defeated by Eternity.And No were writers say TWSAIS are The Beyonders.
Thor Superman potentially has the advantage in speed, though I doubt it's vastly different than Thor's, Thor is just not often seen using it or relying on it. Thor is basically Marvel's Superman (of course there are other imitations like Sentry and Hyperion) and was created because Marvel needed someone who could rival the Hulk's strength. Between the two of them Superman has all of the disadvantages though (need to absorb electromagnetic radiation or photons from the yellow end of the spectrum from our white sun and weakness or loss of powers near other radiation [kryptonite, "red sunlight"], and not invulnerable to magic) so if I'm thinking of who would win anytime, anyplace it's Thor, because if Superman is away from our sun long enough eventually he'd lose his powers and even with his powers they're on the same level (we're not even talking about Odinforce Thor or Rune King Thor) . Also, Thor has more experience & is a better combatant...and he lives for the fight, he was bred to be a warrior king...and Supes?...they call him the Big Blue Boy Scout
Thor Hey, look over there! It's Thor knocking over Galactus! - http://i.imgur.com/WSKJMwx.jpg He just did it again! - http://i.imgur.com/b7Cwf25.jpg Oh, look... it's Superman moving some clouds... - http://i.imgur.com/n8xwbu5.jpg
Thor Hey, what is Thor doing over there? Really? He just defeated Galactus within one blast? Amazing! (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oh13ASSw_Z4/VnpeYkHYT7I/AAAAAAAAPr4/QP74nFgKcLs/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg)
Thor Can anyone prove, using the comics, that Superman would defeat Thor? I have yet to see one person do so. Or just give me a list of his greatest feats and we can compare them to Thor's
Superman Thor had trouble against chars like Wolverine, Cap. America and Black Panther over the years cuz of combat speed. And Superman is far far faster, responsive and precise all of those street levelers. Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too. Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman. Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts. Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter. Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic. I'll go with the Supe
Thor After doing some research, this is a tough fight. Though thor has his magic and superior experience to Superman, Superman has fought Diana and Shazam, characters with magic and superior experience(not shazam). But thor is superior to these guys too. So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Thor Over all I like Superman far better then Thor as a character but like should have nothing to do with deciding fight. So looking at both of them this is close. Superman has the speed advantage and Thor's main advantage is magic abilities. This is very close but I give to Thor. Main reasoning is he matches Superman in many areas since taking over as ruler of Asguard, also he is a better combatant with years more experience and has extremely powerful magic abilities.
Superman Superman is faster then lightspeed to. Just depends on the writer. He has also beaten Thor in a cross over. Superman has the advantage in this.
Superman Thats irrelevant. If you are talking feats then you pull what is considered fun, sells well and what people remember. The cannon argument does not work since this site literally has JL and Avenergers battle. But aside from that if you look at default Superman and Default Thor, Superman has the edge in every area. Honeslty I think a better match up would be Thor vs Wonder Woman, with Thor having the advantage.
Thor That cross over is before Thor took over as leader of Asguard and far less powerful. Thor now has held is own against Galactus and fought the likes of Silver Surfer. While I believe this would be very close I do think Thor takes this barely.
Superman So you are saying its Thor once he became leader of Asgard. So we are not going default settings of these characters. Then a counter argument would be pre-52 Superman. He still has the advantage. This comes down to each characters limits and Thor clearly has more then Superman does.
Thor Thor fights Silver Surfer to stand still he has held his own for a time against Galactus. His magical capabilities or all at or neat cosmic levels and he has been fighting for centuries. Look I love Superman way better character then Thor but I to fan influences out and only looked at abilities. I do believe this could go either way fight is very very close but Thor would win. However I do also see your reasoning for Superman
Thor Thor has fought the Silver Surfer 6 times and won 4 and tied 2 due to outwardly intervention. He is vastly more superior to Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer even admitted that Thor's Magic is stronger than his Power Cosmic. And Thor didn't just hold his own against Galactus, Thor literally defeated Galactus within one blast
Thor Thor would win 8/10 times, yes superman has speed but don't forget Thor has fought many people who where faster than than him and won, plus Mjornir is faster than light speed which would be a massive boost on Thor winning, and then again Thor has magic which is one of superman's main weakness, then gold blast would just be able to finish him, I like both characters but Thor would Just obliterate him
Thor I do not think Thor would win that easily and think 6/10 times is more likely. Superman would use his speed advantage and would not pull punches against Thor. But I believe Thor would win for reasons you listed combat experience and magic capabilities
Thor Superman is without a doubt one of the strongest ever. Thor on the other hand just has the advantage. Thor has beaten Shazam in the DC Marvel Crossover and that was when Shazam was regarded as equal or stronger than Superman. Super also has a weakness to magic, and Thor's entire attack strategy is based on his magic lightning and his magic hammer, Mjornir. Supes can speed blitz but Thor has been recorded moving at light speed. Eventually they'd reach a red sun which is also a weakness of Superman. Yes, Superman could win. There's just a better chance for Thor.
Superman Stops the Brainiac Mothership from colliding with Earth, with the help of Martian Manhunter, which was huge Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite Casually carries a submarine Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth Lifts a ship Hits Wraith with a large ship
Superman Lol, "casually carries a submarine". A submarine is NOTHING. Thor has reversed the world engine, which was moving Yggdrasil. the tree that connects the 9 worlds - http://i.imgur.com/NBmQa8j.jpg - Also, speaking of casually, a casual throw of Mjolnir hurt Galactus, who has around galaxy level durability. Now, what do you think is more impressive, harming Galactus who has galaxy level durability, or lifting a submarine, which would have been around 40,000 - 50,000 tons. As for your other feats, none of them equal to harming Galactus - http://i.imgur.com/1WpCk32.jpg
Thor People need to get over the popularity contest that people make this match out to be. One is a god for a reason. Thor lived in the center of the sun and fought the FROST GIANTS for 9 months straight so that virtually removes the advantages of supes heat vision and freeze breath. Thors hammer is the most devastating weapon from either dc or marvel universes. Its abilities alone outmatch supermans all together. Thor has also fought and defeated celestial beings before so superman wouldn't even be Thors toughest opponent he's ever faced. Thor has also fought the likes of silver surfer and has defeated him and he can move as fast or maybe even faster than superman so the speed difference between the two wouldn't be a huge factor. Finally and I don't think anyone has ever taken this into consideration is that Thors weather manipulation can block the sun with the clouds which is supes source of strength and I'm not even mentioning the possibility that thor gets his hands on kryptonite. Listen i love superman and his selflessness is awe inspiring but this is one match the man of steel doesn't walk away from.
Thor First off, Thor has been shown to move faster than FTL speeds. Being able to reguarly travel across the 9 realms without the bifrost in a short amount of time. Not to mention the 9 realms are totally separate universes, so that means he can move a lot faster than FTL speeds. He has godlike stamina, as he has fought an army of frost giants for 9 months without getting tired. He has thousands of year of experience, weapons training and has the ability to exploit his opponents weaknesses to his advantage. He has also headbutted the Silver Surfer which actually dented him. While Thor only had a bruise
Superman Well superman has survived Darkseid s omega beams , he has held together a universe , he has sneease away a solar system , he has defeated the Jla and he's defeated shazam who is similar to thor
Thor Shazam is nowhere near on Thor's level. And also, I think fighting an army of frost giants for nine months is better than one blast of Darkseid's omega beams. Thor also has the Warrior Madness. An ability which he rarely uses but allows him to go berserk for a couple of minutes which would let him utterly destroy Thor. The god blast and the magic is enough for Superman
Superman Yeah CV can be pretty toxic at times and their formatting wasn't the greatest. The site also kind of looked dull in general. I drifted away from that site years ago.
Superman I would have to say that the two attacks are about equal in destructive power, although the Omega beams are capable of more things then the God blast. Superman not surviving the god blast would be correct, due to the fact that he is not invulnerable to Magic.
Thor Oh, like the Omega Beams being incapable of killing aliens like Superman, while the Godblast is shown being capable of defeating beings like Galactus?
Superman@Spidey you are correct the Omega Beams are much much weaker than godblast The Godblast has harmed galactus (Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
Thor I can only laugh on those DC fan boys who think Superman will win bcz Superman cant even beat SHAZAM... If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God... Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
Thor@InfiniteDestruction I can tell we are going to get along very well. I also read your profile, and I can near guarantee you that if that happens I will do my best to help you out. Welcome to the site :)
Thor Thanks man! But I wouldn't worry I've been on here before for about a week a year ago and I don't know why I just stayed other than have to deal with that crap on CV.
Superman It's never been officially determined, but I think the most fair way is to count Superman as a mix of Pre and Post-Crisis. Oh, and by the way, this is Odin Force Thor.
Thor@SirSpidey If this battle were to actually take place, how would you truthfully see it going down? Do you think it'll last for awhile or do you believe Thor simply destroys him early? I'm genuinely curious since this seems to be the most popular battle on this site.
Thor It would be a complete and utter godstomp. That is if Thor wasn't holding back. If Thor were to hold back, It would take longer, but it would still be a stomp
Superman No it would not be a godstomp, Thor has been overwhelmed multiple times by Beta Ray Bill, at the time Bill was no more powerful then Superman.
Thor Beta Ray Bill is vastly more powerful than Superman. While Superman can only shake a single planet with his punches, Beta Ray Bill completely destroys them in one go. As for Thor vs Beta Ray Bill, there first encounter was not fair as Thor was still in communion with his mortal form Donald Blake, so if Thor were to be separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds, he would turn into Donald Blake. Unfortunately, Thor did get separated from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds which caused Thor to turn into Donald Blake, as previously mentioned, so Beta Ray Bill took advantage and knocked Donald Blake out. In there second encounter, Thor was without Mjolnir and Beta Ray Bill had the advantage because his body was more acclimated to the environment that they were fighting in
Superman As I said at the time Beta Ray Bill was no more powerful than Superman, and I do believe it was only after Stormbreaker that Bill was capable of destroying planets.
Superman Everyone saying Thor is a god is WRONG. Thor is a DEMI-GOD (HALF HUMAN, HALF GOD) Superman is Kryptonian. 0% Human. He is a superior life-form. Superman wins. Literally in strength, speed, combat, Abilities and in everything! Superman doesn't have a weakness against lightning and thunder. So....??? SUPEY WINS
Superman I don't know what Marvel comics you've been reading, but Thor is zero percent human. Thor is fifty percent Asgardian and fifty percent Elder God.
Thor Superman doesn't have a weakness to regular lightning, but he does have a weakness to magic. Thor's lightning IS magic. Superman is weak to it, therefore he would lose.
Thor There are more than only three ways Thor could win. That is an ignorant statement @remy94. In which comic does it state that Superman is immune to magic if he has the Sun?
Superman Literally Superman. Anyone can hold Mjolnir who is true of heart and Wonder Woman was one of the heroes who actually was able to carry it and Superman too on the DC x Marvel crossover. Plus thor's Weakness is piercing weapons. Superman wins.
Superman I change my mind on this battle all the time. I'm sure my mind will change to Thor in a couple days and i'm pretty sure I'll never have a definitive answer in a while
Thor Thor is more versatile, has more abilities, with Mjolnir attacks stronger than Superman and his energy projection is far superior to Superman, but Superman's combat speed is higher. Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Thor I think the issue is DC just constantly reboots/ recons Superman, so @SirSpidey excuses most arguments that are made. Which isn't a bad thing. However if Pre-Crisis Superman was included/ cannon I am sure people could think of a lot more arguments for Superman.
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman Yeah I'm not into rebirth of new 52 in my agreements i bring pre crisis supes if you go down below you'll see that's basically all I was talking about
Superman First I have come back for one purpose and one purpose only. To prove @SirSpidey wrong that Superman is weak. I respect Thor and I give him a lot of credit, like beating Galactus. I will use canon comic book references to give you a list of feats that will prove to all of you that Superman is not as weak as @SirSpidey makes out. I will start as soon as @SirSpidey replies to me.
Thor It's not that Superman is weak, it's just that his strength isn't comparable to that of Thor's. Superman's greatest feat of strength is benching the weight of the mere Earth for five days straight. I have done the math and that would come out to be 2.6 octillion tons that Superman was lifting. So while you can actually calculate Superman's greatest feat of strength, there is no possible way to calculate Thor's greatest feat of strength as you would have to figure out how many planets are in the Universe and know how much they way
Superman Ok put strength on the side for now. I will start with durability. Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level) www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/pc-superman-even-can-survival-big-bang-1456568/ http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004635-enduresentirecreation.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004637-enduresentirecreation2.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004636-enduresentirecreation1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004634-2908743-action553_22.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004639-survivesbigbang1.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397/3004638-survivesbigbang.jpg
Superman Superman fights Blackstarr, an extremely powerful cosmic reality warper, and tanks the force of a million galaxies. We can calculate the "force of a million galaxies" in many ways. When Blackstarr says the "force of a million galaxies", she most likely means force, in newtons, equivalent to the mass of 1 million galaxies. So we can use Work = Force x Distance to obtain a figure for the feat. (Yield: 2.0704806066321756E59 J, Galaxy Cluster Level+) Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg. Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth. http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr5.jpg.html http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr6.jpg.html
Thor@Darth_Doom: Well for starters, you cannot use the Avengers/Justice League crossovers as evidence because those are not canon. As for the speed of Thor, a ton of people like to reference the time Thor had trouble with Wolverine because that is one of the very few low showings of Thor. It was indeed plot induced stupidity considering the fight took place in Thor vs Wolverine and the only way to please the audience (or Wolverine fanboys) was to make Thor extremely less powerful than he usually is. Lastly, Thor on foot can go faster than light. Thor with the help of Mjolnir can go at speeds that transcend time. That is my opinion on the matter, but I can back it up with comic book evidence if need be
Thor Ok did you look at it on the site i have you if so I give up i can't win the debate I've been doing this for some days now first with @IMABATA N 42 THEN you I just can't win it also are we cool No hard fellings
Thor Ok and do you play last of us my dad might play with you I don't feel like playing it right now but he might also I'm trying to get him to join superherodb he's a giant Batman fanboy
Superman It's absolutely incredible. One of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had, I've played the story at least 7 times and it keeps getting better. I honestly envy you since you get to experience it for the first time whenever you play it.
Thor I could have played it I've watched my dad play it numerous times I just don't like story mode but I m might try it and how excited are you about tlou 2 and do you know that lasts of us is one of the most popular games ever up their with a certain mari o game
Thor@DarkProdigy: While canon Thor decimates beings like Galactus, the Void, a more powerful version of Odin, and even Thanos who was so amped he was equal to Death in power, non-canon Thor gets beat by mere aliens like Superman
Superman@Darth_Doom Damn you have no idea excited I am for The Last of Us 2. Beyond excited, hell like I said I can't put it into words. I've been waiting 5 years for the sequel and yeah whenever you get the chance play the story it's a once in a lifetime experience.
Superman Yes there is no need to kick I'm off the site, he just needs to rethink his approach when he comments, and start respecting other people's opinions.
Superman Sirspidey yeah good idea for my advice you can start not replying on the people that don't use facts about this battle but reply on the people who actually issue the comic for evidence.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Superman@Darth_Doom Why would Galactus kick him off? I'm not trying to get into this but I don't believe he should be kicked off the site just for debating. I mean this site is supposed to fun not sure why you want him off.
Thor By kick him off i mean straighten him off and he was to cussing @Remy94 out and talking about a second account t is not debating it's trying to get under his skin and I already said this he has no respect he always has to be right but I don't want him off the server i just want him to stop being disrespectful to us (not me)
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor My brother wants to know why flash beats sonic i say it's because flash is better in all feats but can you say why so me a nd him don't start please thnks
Thor Raven as shazam And Mr myxzptlk are except for shazam more powerful than thorn in magic And what what about ra iden dark Khan black ada m Zhao Khan and so on
Thor Raven definitely doesn't have more powerful magic. Shazam has equal magic in base but Thor's hammer definitely gives him the edge. If Mr. Mxyzptlk was actually serious in a fight with Superman, Superman would stand no chance whatsoever, Mxy could literally think him away. Do you mean the Mortal Kombat characters, dude, that was a video game. Black Adam may be slightly more powerful than Shazam, but it still doesn't matter. Keep em coming, I can do this all day.
Thor And I know she has defeated him before but what about wonder woman magic wonder woman defeated Thor and Diana has more magic and yeah I can keep going to @IMABATMAN42
Thor *Screaming on the inside* Why do you keep mentioning Death Battle?!? They do not use even an ounce of factual evidence, literally all they do is say things and expect you to believe them. Look at this for example https://goo.gl/images/KtLsNE if you zoom in on Goku's base speed it is actually greater than it is in SS1, proof that Death Battle did their calculations wrong. Yeah Diana has magic, not projectile magic, like Thor's but she has a magic weapon, that can, wait for it, CUT THROUGH KRYPTONIAN'S. http://imgur.com/a/xOBXe
Thor 😦🔫 i have no other people left to try and stump you i give up but wait a second this match isn't about Canon this is about overall but your opinion is yours my opinion there hahahahahahaha i enjoyed debating with you my friend 😀😃😁😃😁
Thor Wait a second you just said something that means I win you said Diana atom sword cuts through kryptonians just like can barbarians and other beings that means superman can lobotomize Thor and win
Thor 😤😰😣😥😣😧😱😲😵😷👻 i give up this debate is driving me nuts i can't take it no more y'all no more than I in comic books and I just give up😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😄😃😁😁😁😁
Thor Lmao I just can't keep debating I'm going so I don't know as much but come on I'm not stupid i know their common and uncommon known powers Thor has been seen dead by deadpool so I'm just done debating about this match
Thor Ok you're not thinking about the time the heat vision would take to reach Thor, by then Thor would have moved, quite a bit actually. Superman will have no choice but to fight him head on, a fight that he will eventually lose. Also, when has Superman ever used this ability, other than that one movie.
Thor I'm a couple comics actually but I don't remember the names but I remember reading them and also be has done this on doomsday and since superman has the strength advantage what if he holds Thor down to do it
Thor On my God I just saw a comic book that ultrama n lifted the book by himself but still what about a black hole he's held one with his hands and black holes by my knowledge are infinit e density
Thor Superman has lifted INFINITY AND ETERNITY HE HAS DESTROYED PLANETS BEFORE AND HAS HELD A BLACK HOLE BEFORE SUPERMAN HAS SURVIVED MAGIC ATTACKS FROM BEINGS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN THOR
Thor First off, the black hole Superman was holding was a SPECK, a SPECK that he was struggling to hold, a SPECK that only had the gravitational pull of a small planet, at most. Oh, look, here's Thor breaking out of a gravitational pull the same as a neutron star, http://imgur.com/PnBvsUE. He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Thor Superman and Wonder Woman failed to stop Spectre from falling to the Earth and Superman DID NOT lift the Book of Infinite Pages. It was ULTRAMAN who lifted it
Thor No. The first attempt was indeed by Superman and Shazam who couldn't even budge the book. Fanboys just like to twist what the comic conveys to fit their fanboyistic desires. That is the only reason you hear people say Superman lifted an infinite amount of weight. However, the second attempt was by Ultraman who managed to actually carry the book to the Ultima Thule, a task Superman and Shazam were physically incapable of doing
Thor K thought you guys were done but remember Imabatman superman can focus on the flash moving faster than light speed Thor normally can not to faster than light on earth
Thor Superman has never hit the Flash with his heat vision, it's just not fast enough. And everyone keeps saying that Superman can dodge Thor's Godblast, but Thor can do the same to Superman's heat vision, as they are both a one direction beam. Superman also doesn't go faster than light on the Earth, as it would destroy it.
Thor Okay, let me repeat myself, a theme that is very common with you @remy94, nothing has proven to be able to even harm Thor's brain physically. So try again
Thor Shall I repeat myself again? Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lasers ain't gonna do shit to Thor. Lol, "there is no reason this attack wouldn't hurt Thor." Whatever kid
Thor Remy Sirspidey shut up theirs no reason to arguing on here like this there kids on this site Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
Superman This battle could very well be over before it began, Superman could just lobotomize Thor just by looking at him. "Heat vision focused through your pupil like a scalpel, instant lobotomy" -Superman
Thor Your basically forgetting that they'll both be zipping around the battle field, and Superman won't have time to focus his heat vision, if he's constantly getting pounded into the ground by Thor, at Mach speeds.
Thor I can agree I'm selling him a bit short, but what I meant is that Superman won't be able to concentrate with Thor fighting him, on near equal terms at very fast speeds. Labotomy would not work. So he would have to resort to a physical battle, one that, in time, he would lose thanks to his disadvantage, he is "weak" to magic.
Superman I'm pretty sure during some point in the battle these two characters are going to make eye contact. Plus as long as Superman has sunlight, magic isn't going to effect him.
Thor Dude, you're wanking Superman to oblivion, I mean the dude struggled to destroy the shadow moon, which is only a star level feat. Besides, and this is a major plot hole, Thor could just destroy the sun. Speaking of that, why have none of Superman's villains destroyed the sun, just to get rid of Superman?
Superman Superman has a lot greater feats than destroying a moon, Clark has destroyed entire dimensions, and has held a black hole in his hands. Even if Thor was capable of destroying the sun (Which he wouldn't because that would be the end of earth) Sups could very well instantly fly to the first star he sees.
Thor@IMABATMAN42 Are you seriously using Superman's Shadow Moon feat as his greatest feat? You're only trying to lowball Superman so you can suck off Goku. But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
Thor Yeah, I know Shadow Moon isn't his best feat, it's actually one of his worst, and that's why I bring it up in my arguments, as the force of him doing that, KNOCKED HIM OUT. And he struggled, struggled, to do that, a star level feat, he struggled to accomplish a star level feat. While Thor is easily Solar System+, and Goku is easily universal+.
Thor Tell me what rest has Thor lifted infinity and also superman has supported infinity an eternity superman beats hulk Thor goku saitama and avenger why would Thor be stronger than superman and he is no we're close superman has faced to a distant star and back i n about 10 b notes Thor has not Thor relies on teleportation so MMH can beat Thor keep it coming I can do this all day
Thor Unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, Superman's cute little lazers ain't going to do shit to Thor. Also, @remy94, when did Superman destroy a dimension?
Thor Ok I guess Jonathan is offline so I'll debate with y'all and Remy superman won't lose to God blast because juggernaut just shook God blast off and superman durability is better than juggernauts and stas Thor has more experience superman has like 20 years while Thor ha s thousands of years thank you very much 😉
Thor Unless Superman is more durable than Galactus, Superman has zero chance of surviving the God Blast. Also, the only reason Juggernaut survived the God Blast was because he had a mystical barrier protecting him. Lastly, what is your evidence to suggest that Superman has more durability than Juggernaut?
Thor For one darkseid lasers can erase God's can kill people instantaneously and also the only people to survive the omega be ams are superman and doomsday the only reason doomsday survived is because of his immortality darkseid has even blasted galactus so just stop prove it your really annoying me with you and @remy 94 fighting its just annoying so just stop alright this is meant for fun ok
Thor While Darkseid's Omega Beams can be resisted by Superman, Doomsday, and immortals, the God Blast has only been resisted by one being, the Celestial named Exitar The Executioner. The God Blast also obliterates immortals, unlike the puny Omega Beams
Thor Actually the omega beams do kill immortals i said doomsday because you know him he survived from nothing and also doomsday beats Thor darkseid beams has killed immortals before and hurt beings like that celestial like Galactus who easily is more powerful than a celestial Thor in the Thor vs darkseid battle his own brother the Highfather i think his name is his fellow old gods and he's laser beams shattered lantern barrier like it was nothing is laser beams are also faster than Thor s God blast they can hit the flash of it was little faster and also darkseid has shot anti monitor with the beams and severely hurt him even though he got killed omega force is better than Odin force
Thor Lol, your logic is painful to deal with. I honestly don't even want to try and rebuke everything you said. It would be too much of a hassle considering how much of it is incredibly wrong
Superman Well after seeing Superman tank one of Shazam's lightning bolts with little to no real pain, I'd wager Superman most likely has this one. Both are Solar-System level fighters, but Superman has edge in intelligence and experience, and his power kit is much more flexible than Thor. Thor's God Blast is potentially Multi-Solar System in power, but I won't count it since there is barely much info on its actual power.
Thor Barely much information on the God Blast!? We have enough information to know that it easily destroys beings like Galactus, a more powerful version of Odin, Surtur, and hurts Celestials like Exitar The Executioner. If instant teleporters can't react to the God Blast, Superman of course can't
Thor Remy94 i forget you actually right but imabatman shazam has very powerful magic that's where his power comes from not form his physical power he has the magic of the gods i forg ot so I do not submit haha haha I still can win the debate 😉
Superman I don't mind if you disrespect me, because you do it all the time. But if you are going to disrespect my brother then you and I are going to have problems.
Superman@SirSpidey Not saying remy94 is spectre94, (I don't wanna get involved) but is there really anything wrong with having a 2nd account? It's only a problem if they start using it to their advantage
Thor Well, you get more votes, you can team up on people, and not to mention it is morally questionable especially when you claim it isn't your 2nd account
Superman I agree on that last part but it really doesn't bother me if he uses two accounts on big battles like this because it doesn't really make a difference, but if he started double voting on smaller battles or he has more than 2 accounts then I have a problem.
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Thor Yo @remy94 i know @Sirspidey is disrespecting your brother and all but before that what s your best with him maybe I can talk to him because he is really starting to annoy me
Superman@Darth_Doom I wouldn't bother, I've been debating with this guy for quite some time, he has very little respect, it will just end up coming back at you.
Thor Alright I'm was only going to do that because I like the way you debate @SirSpidey is just one of those guys who think people don't know nothing maybe we can try talking to @Galactus try to get him to shut @SirSpidey up because I'm sick of him and I've seen the comments he's wrote to you he s just a spoiled brat
Superman Well thanks for your support, I think once @Galactus starts to see that everyone is having a problem with him, he'll probably do something about it.
Thor Thank you I just got sick of him he is so disrespectful to people and someone has to put a stop to him I'm just sick of it so what if @remy94 has a second account it's not going to hur t nobody can you tell me how to talk to galactus please
Superman Forum, General conversation or you'll have to wait until he gets on, and then private message him. It was my brothers account, but even if it was me, which it wasn't, I'm obviously not using it to get ahead on anything.
Thor Yeah thank you and can @Galactus kick @SirSpidey off and I believe you I just don't understand this website was made for the fun of debating and learning not disrespecting people and cussing them out I mean I'm going and I've told people that @SirSpidey just doesn't care
Thor@remy94: If it didn't really matter to you, you wouldn't be responding to my comments. The only reason it always comes back at you is because I am always in the right. If I wasn't always correct, there would be nothing to come back at you, but no, you always refuse to be wrong. It is one of your greatest downfalls. The only reason everyone has a problem with me is because I don't sugarcoat shit. So what if I cuss, it's not like it is wrong. It would only be wrong if I were to curse at people, something I try very hard not to do. Your not using your second account to get ahead on anything!? Are you serious? In the past, you have ganged up on me with your second account. So don't lie to us and say you haven't done anything wrong. Lastly, please explain to me how me accusing you of having a second account equates to me disrespecting you. It honestly makes zero sense to me
Thor@SirSpidey i would like to apologize me and @remy94 said stuff no better than you we disrespecting you as well trying to get you kicked off the server i am sorry
Thor@Darth_Doom: Really? You have been here for 13 days and already trying to kick someone off? I'm going to take it easy on you considering you are only 13, but you seriously need to watch yourself. Not only am I moderator, but I have been doing this same exact thing for 2 years and as of yet have had zero problems with @Galactus. The opinion of a little kid like you is not anywhere close to that of the creator of this entire website
Superman Sirspidey have you ever had a problem in your life that was conflicting you while you was off this site and facing this problem in the real world?
Thor Ok and I'm not really thirteen I'm 19 i just tell people that so they don't mess with me and no you didn't anger me I just didn't like you and remy94 fighting it was pretty annoying and also I wasn't really trying to get you kicked off the server i was trying to get you to be quiet but are we cool because I definitely don't want to get kicked off the server but truce P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
Superman Sometimes I meet with these people whether they have a reason why they have a conflict, I have a conflict for myself today everytime I go to school I would always have something that would be bothering me like people trying to stare at me while my head is down like I always do since I have autism-Aspergers and other times that happen to me is when there's a lot of noise everytime I go to a classroom and they would never be quiet it happens everyday to me and so sometimes I like to be mean to people that's why.
Thor@Bbq444: Hey man, you be you no matter what people may think. Yes, people are extremely annoying and even clueless at times, but they are still human. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, but we as a human race need to try our hardest to love each other. As Jesus once said, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." I think this verse from the Bible perfectly applies to your current situation. So that is my advise. Now it is up to you what you do with it
Thor@SirSpidey That is probably the most bad ass thing I have ever seen you type on this site. I have a close friend with similar obstacles as @Bbq444 and he struggles with similar things. I am going to share your comment with my friend, because I think it sends a very powerful message.
Thor Alright this is my last time trying i know this is probably bull but I'm going to try it anyway it said superman has pushed Thor s hammer back with Thor pushing on it and it said Thor with out the hammer is slower than wolverine with is little F TL and I'll send you the site i saw I t on https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up
Thor Yeah but he took Trigon punches which like you said is multi galactic levels so Thor once again magic should not hurt superman as much as you think actually after you messAge I'll go see about thor s magic so I understand better cause I like Thor but I don't actually know a lot about him so I'll research him a bit more and also my fave hero is the flash also how wins flash of sonic the hedge hog
Thor Was this in the movie? Because if so it's not canon, but I'll attempt to debunk it anyway. So, Trigon's power could reach multi-galactic scales, yes, but his physical strength, while being impressive, isn't comparable to blows from Thor's hammer, which has caused beings like The Hulk, who have comparable durability to Superman, under normal circumstances, that is, because of Superman's "weakness" to magic he is more susceptible to Thor, than say someone of equal durability, such as The Hulk.
Thor Ok I done some more research it said that most of Thor magic comes from the belt and goe s to the hammer his other magic he has very hard time using it but I don't know how cause that research was of a post almost 8 years so I submit Thor can beat superman i can't get around any other corner apparently you t more into heroes than I am and that is way something because I watch imaginary axis variant comics and tons other comics stuff but you have to be right cause you actually have a reasonable point and I'm surprised normally I'm a very stubborn person but you are right my friend also is the r a way I can message you privately on this site
Thor Superman would have a very good chance of winning, if magic hadn't been one of his "weaknesses", because they are near physical equals. Oh and yes you can message me, just go to my account, click on messages and type something. Note: I don't really check my messages that often, but I'll try and look at them more. 👍
Thor He doesn't, but if magic hadn't been one of Superman's weaknesses, well, there's a possibility, I'd actually say without the magic weakness it would go 50/50.
Thor How though? Thor is factually a smarter fighter, stronger, faster, vastly more durable, etc. Prove to me Superman would win even if Thor didn't have magic
Thor He actually has have you watched justice league vs teen titans i mean superman didn't actually hurt Trigon but still Trigon dark magic is more powerful than thors and also darkseid actually does possess some magic it's just not well known and cosmic is another form of somewhat magiclike even though it isn't a weakness to superman
Thor I haven't actually watched it yet, but either way Superman still gets completely stomped, because Trigon is like, multi-galaxy level, possibly higher.
Thor Shazam, while being very powerful, is more of a physical based character, and isn't much of a "powerhouse", that is to say his magical prowess isn't very impressive.
Superman Shazam's magical abilities all come from gods that are very comparable to Thor, Zeus for example. Plus Thor's magic are mostly for physical enhancement, he's not a spellcaster.
Thor He has never faced anyone with magic as powerful as Thor's, to my knowledge. To debunk some of your statements, Darkseid no magic, and he still loses to him, Green Lantern no magic, Imperiex no magic, grant it, I don't know much about this character, and current Superman has never faced Anti-Monitor, but Anti-Monitor has no Magic either. Also to give you perspective on how powerful Thor's magic can be, taking a feat from @SirSpidey with this one, he has damaged Galactus before, who is easily galaxy level+. He has also knocked out the Hulk, who has comparable durability to Superman. Oh and thank you, I'm enjoying this too.
Thor Ok I give you that but I don't know cause I don't read that many comics but doesn't Groton posses some sort of magic i mean he is a demon and what about shazam magic isn't that as powerful as Thor i know Thor wears his belt of magic but still superman can resist his magic some and I'll ask you this time king Thor or superman prime 1000000 and I don't know if you can but let me know what matches you vote on so I can debate you some more haha haha lol😁😆😆
Thor But still superman has face foes with magic of cosmic power he's faced darkseid shazam green lantern monthly imperiex antimonitor etc Thor magic is powerful i give you that but superman has some resistance to magic and keep coming i like debating with you my friend but tell me just how powerful th ors magic will be against superman please do
Thor Image than what do you mean death battle is not a reliable source and also I done research i was just doing a reference superman is stronger faster more durable and is way more power ful cause actually I like Thor better than superman it's just superman is more powe rful so if you want a debate I'll give you a debate also Thor is ma ybe 30% less popular than superman so tell how does Thor win superman strength is powerful enough to shatter planets punch through space and time so he should be able to wield the hammer or stormbreaker still this isn't about who is more popular it's about who is more powerful so I done research and superman has what it takes to take on Thor the god of thunder so debate if you wantonly just keep coming back at y'all there you go imabatman42
Thor I mean that, at the time, Wonder Woman was more popular because of her movie, so to not disappoint their many subscribers, they highballed Wonder Woman to make her win. Strength, speed, power, doesn't matter either way, Superman is weak to magic, Thor uses magic, very powerful magic, at that.
Thor On people listen this match is putting a God of lightning against an nearly immortal powerful alien superman wins because superman brute strength dims those by a lot i mean Thor couldn't even beat wonder woman on death battle so how in the world is he suppose to beat superman a guy who can beat darkened single handed Thor can't even stand up against thano s so that's my opinion but Thor possibly could do a little bit of damage with his magic but still Superman>Silver surfer>wonder woman>thor>Martian manhunt it's simple so all those people do your research because I have its time for a good battle 😁
Thor Death Battle is not a reliable source of information, considering they lowball the character that is less popular and highball the one that is popular. Silver Surfer = Thor > Martian Manhunter > Wonder Woman = Superman, there is only a slight difference in power between all of them, being that they are all about mid/high herald tier.
Thor How is the Silver Surfer the equal to Thor? The closest thing Silver Surfer got to beating Thor was a stalemate. Thor on the other hand has beaten the Silver Surfer two or three times in the past
Thor Thor has the Odin Force in his rune king form...he's omnipresent, destruction level is multi-universe scale and has rune magic (reality warping, dimension and energy manipulation etc) among many others ...the only one above him in RK form is the living tribunal....and as for any version of Superman, take away the yellow sun and power slowly starts fading away.... and if kept away from the sun for a considerable amount of time, he becomes like a normal kryptonian on krypton.....plus oh yeah, Kryptonite =P
Thor I wanted you to go more in depth about why you have Superman because he's fast and saying Thor is "slow", I wanted to hear your reasoning and I'm not saying you're wrong it's opinionated, I'm just curious.
Superman Superman has taken beating from magic users and still ends up beating the snot out of them, he's beaten people who've used kryptonite and red sun radiation which are bigger weaknesses than magic. The MCU has given Thor a lot of momentum recently so I get the hype and he's a great character, but if you think Thor's magic gives him advantage then you're dead wrong I'm sorry. I also saw someone say Thor has faster reflexes, I thought that was hilarious, he tagged quicksilver, so what? Superman has tagged the flash on multiple occasions and flash is significally faster than quicksilver.
Thor what you superman voters are forgettin is thate superman is weak to magic wich thor can use therfor thor has the combat skill and one of supermans weaknesses
Superman Thor allowed him to lift the hammer but certainly Odin considers Superman worthy to use the hammer as has been seen in other circumstances anyhow. Superman only just barely beat Thor. It was a close fight and both admitted it could have gone either way. I see this as a VERY VERY close battle but imo Supes takes it
Superman They already fought, and the outcome is obvious. Superman tossed the goddess of thundering farts off his high horse and served him some humble pie.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Where's your evidence for that? And don't even think about using that non-canon s**t as evidence! It may be canon in the DC verse, but it sure as hell isn't in the Marvel verse.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Okay, Thor: Lifted the Midgard Serpent. Tagged Quicksilver. KO'd the Phoenix Force. Shattered planets. Survived a planet busting bomb. Endured 17 days of torture. Destroyed a helicopter while depowered. Defeated Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, & Hulk. Escaped a Black Hole. And btw, it's "says THERE are". Are you gonna explode or what?
Superman I've noticed that most of the comments are supporting Thor, and not a lot are supporting Superman and this leads me to believe the fact the people that voted Superman are fanboys with 1-3 people with knowledge and proof that Superman would win.
Superman@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Tbh I have tons of respect for you and @Durge1 for defending your choice in this fight, but still @DarkProdigy has a point, there are few comic fans that know what they're talking about like you sticking up for Superman and lots for Thor
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Lol, you call referencing a non-canon comic book over and over again "defending Superman"? PATHETIC. If you would actually have a debate with me, maybe we could settle some things. Instead of saying the same thing over and over again
Superman I'm surprised so many people voted for thor, I thought it'd be obvious, superman is a decent bit stronger, a decent bit more durable, has many different abilities, and is... better at flying? Idk, thor often needs his hammer to fly, superman can fly on his own. I'm talking about at their normal strength levels by the way.
Thor Thor is a better fighter and his hammer is much stronger than superman punch can ever be. Thor's lightning is also much stronger than Superman's laser beams. Plus, Thor has taken hits from people much stronger than him, he can take a beating!
Thor I always assume that Thor and Superman are about physical equals, but the reason Thor would win is because he can use magic, and has more power output.
Thor@jongensoden Thor has god-like stamina! He fought an army of Frost Giants for 9 months without tiring, and an army of undead for 40 days and 40 nights straight, spent 9 months without ever sleeping after losing Mjolnir, and gave Malekith a beating after his liver got transmuted into a mangle of broken glass. It's far superior to any ordinary Asgardian, who can live for 5 minutes after losing their hearts.
Superman I am sorry, but this battle has already been done. Clark beat the cocky, overrated goddess of thundering farts. Not to mention he also lifted the hammer, and used its power.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll Don't even use that non-canon s**t as evidence! It may be canon in the DC verse, but it sure as hell isn't in the Marvel verse.
Superman Superman wins this. Superman is far stronger than thor, faster by light years and infinitely smarter. And for the record, marvel has stated that asgardians are an advanced race of being that have mastered both magic and science and have been able to combine the two. But are worshipped as gods. So they are no more godlike than superman who came from a world that was scientifically advanced. Superman would realize the threat the hammer poses and he would easily avoid its attacks. Unlike thor he is capable of faster than light combat speeds that would leave thor unable to touch him. Combine that with strength far greater than Thors, heat vision, and freeze breath and he wins, but not easily. Also thor's hammer is imbued with magic which allows it to summon attacks like lightning, portals.....etc. The hammer itself isn't magical, therefore the lightning it summons is just that, lightning. Which doesn't hurt superman. And for the record, everyone is susceptible to magic, unless they are magic resistant, lol. Super man is fast enough to track objects travelling at light speed, such as Mjolnir. which would give him the ability to dodge or catch it. The hulk has defeated thor despite thor wielding the hammer, and the hulk is just brute strength. Superman is far stronger than the hulk, smarter, faster and more versatile, I just don't see thor winning.
Superman Quitting Superherodatabase not logging back on ever again I think this base is just boring to me but it's just my opnion so see you guys whoever knew me.
Thor Darkseid is a new God, he is a legitimate God dude, more powerful than an old god such as Zeus or Thor, but Superman CAN NOT normally beat Darkseid alone with any enhancements or sun dips, etc.
Thor@TheSuspect666 and @TheNemianLion: Well clearly ya'll don't know the origin of Darkseid. The comics depict Darkseid as being a Mud-Grubber, or in other words, a freaking farmer. He was a mere alien from an unknown planet who stole the powers of some supposed gods and then became kinda powerful. He does not have a heritage as a true god like Thor does. So stop saying Darkseid is a god. He may be a New God, but that is not a god. New Gods are just a race of aliens
Thor My god, the both of you. Unlike what I see from both of you, I know both sides like the back of my hand. And I can say, Superman, isn't nearly as powerful as people claim to believe. And Thor, he's sometimes underestimated. First: Darkseid is a 5th-dimensional god, who Superman would never be able to fight his true form (All he fights is Darkseid's avatars) Second: Thor is a god, and Superman isn't. That doesn't mean much though, as Superman has fought and beaten gods before. Third: Superman is only slightly physically stronger, but Thor is much more powerful and has far more experience when it comes to fighting. (did you say Thor is stupid? He's extremely intelligent, he may as well be a genius for humans, he's had thousands of years to learn) Fourth: Speed, Slowdinson isn't a thing. Thor is AT LEAST the speed of light, he tends not to use this speed unless he needs it. Fifth: @CaptainAmericaTakesAll If you can actually come up with a good argument, and not be a hypocrite than I can discuss this with you. Sixth: @SirSpidey I understand that you like Thor, but to me, you've proven to me you don't know very much about DC (And you don't seem to know too much about Thor either) Final: Thor's combination of magic, strength, power, and skill would outmatch Superman (Unless it's on Earth, cause Thor ALWAYS holds back on Earth, in fact, Thor almost killed Hulk with one blow when he forgot to hold back)
Thor Edit: @SirSpidey Ahh, I was wrong about you not knowing about Thor, but I was right about DC. (Why can't they add an edit button to the comments?)
Superman Remove Superman limits. Also, that video used Man of Steel superman? If we're talking about late superman b4 prime, and the latest thor. My money is on Superman. Thor lost to Red Hulk and was burned badly even at his prime. Summoned a devastating bolt of lighting and even crashed at the speed of lightning into red hulk and barely bruised him. Also, without his hammer, he becomes very weak. Screw that film, the Hammer is still a weapon and a key to dimensions. The red hulk, hulk, vision, shazam, Loki, Angela, Sentry and even Ghostrider either took the hammer or used it against him. There was even Avengers vs Justice League and Superman won against Thor.
Superman I am calling @TheOverlord,@Klappy, @SirSpidey, and @batsheet to read this. Guys, really, look around you. Why would you start calling each other names, just because someone doesn't agree with you over who would win in a battle composed of characters that will never make it past a comic book page or a movie, really? C'mon guys, lets have a friendly conversation about this, instead of being a bunch of jerks about it.
Superman Calm down there is no really any reason you guys need to start some dumb arguement just try to ignore kids sometimes so you don't have to get so frustrated about it and yeah I told him to shut up that was a mistake I should have ignored that but really if something is making you really mad just try to relax.
Superman That has been my argument the whole time. I dont know about the rest of you, but i did actually read and listen to what SirSpidey said, and while i still think Superman would win...probably. I now respect Thor a lot more then before, and the battle isn't as one sided in my mind as it was before. But when one stoops to insults and downplaying others for their own gain, that is too far. We all make mistakes, and slip up sometimes, but if we cant forgive and forget then we are no better then those who we seek to have a civil debate with. I think most of us have said something that we probably wish we hadn't, but its when we continue to act in such an disrespectful manner that one honestly looses credibility.
Superman ok so everyone i will explain all of this ok........first, texts can mean different things and depends on how you read it. second I'm not mad nor am i picking on others because i think superman will win .....i do respect thor i do indeed, but my opinion is fact . third in all fairness a little name calling isn't bad, its fun..... grow some, its not that bad..... but yeah we all have superheros in common and wish they were real and mean so much to us. that's why i say what i say....... i could cuss but i don't because that's wrong but i read some of sirspideys comments and it just triggered me because he had huge paragraphs saying false things about my third beloved superhero. this is fact and of course you can disagree (opinion) omg but superman is SHOWN to be stronger. FASTER THAN THOR maybe not his HAMMER, thor has experience but whats experience to Intelligence.
Superman@Bbq444 ...................im calling him out because he thinks he knows all..... i don't know all but i do know somethings like superman will beat thor.
Superman@sirspidey IM NOT DONE lets talk about the character and what they stand for.......thor yes he is good and will save the day but he is arrogant and thinks he is better than most. superman, truth and justice. let's talk about the background. thor so called God from asgard (prince). Superman home planet destroyed, earth dad died protects a planet with people who criticize him.. with all that power he can chose to be bad but doesn't he lives among the people as one of them to fit in to be apart of them. I like thor but with this fight thor sucks... REALIZE that superman means much more... bro died and came back to life, bro has his own theme song, bro is somewhat limitless. what does thor have..... you like thor right? remember avengers.... yeah your homie got stabbed with a knife. hey did you see ragnarok, yeah the GOD OF THUNDER got smacked with a little lighting. all in all superman is better inside and out and even tho thats movies not comics the truth still stands....... superman has way stronger enemies and Sir SPIDEY Wonder woman can beat thor you goofy!!!!! the real god of thunder is zeus WW papa!!!
Thor Yet again on SirSpidey's behalf until he arrives I will speak. Yeah they have different backgrounds and yes Superman was supposed to be the story of an immigrant trying to fit in. And Thor is the story of a god learning humility and learning that he isn't better then everyone else just because he is a god. Superman died and came back to life, but so did Thor so that means nothing. Thor's people are doomed to repeat a cycle of destruction and rebirth, so actually krypton was only destroyed once Asgard has been destroyed countless times so that's another point for Thor. They both choose to use their power for good so that also means nothing. Theme song also means nothing, that's mostly a DC thing. Both of them are somewhat limitless so that also means nothing. Thor has a one of the most powerful weapons in comic history, a godly warriors lineage, powerful magical attacks, and the knowledge of battle to easily defeat someone like Wonder Woman. SO nothing you have said proves anything, most of it is so irrelevant it doesn't even deserve to be commented on. Thor still wins you incompetent fool.
Thor I'm not usually one for name calling but the way this person talks just infuriates me. Especially since he clearly came here looking to pick a fight but failed to make any logical sense in his argument nor contribute to this debate in any way. So sorry for the name calling but seriously, the guy makes no sense.
Superman ok I agree I was just saying superman means more in my opinion. that paragraph was meant to mean nothing just a funny thing to say my bad you took it the wrong way.... " incompetent fool." is that all that's in your vocabulary you need to read more comics because the more you know will show and what i see is a little kid typing thor would win because he saw the avengers....
Thor Actually time can vary depending on a plethora of factors and also whichever theory of time you choose to believe in. Some theories state that time is like a river and it would be very hard to go back and fight the current if not impossible. Other theories state that time cannot be traveled back in, regardless of how many times the speed of light you go and yet still other theories state that one would simply have to travel faster then light to go back in time. It is therefore entirely possible that the DC universe and Marvel universe comply to different theories of time and therefore one cannot speculate that speed and time are related in both universes. As to Thor's speed I never stated Thor can move that fast(Unless of course he is holding the hammer when thrown and it drags him across the universe) but this isn't a race, it's a fight. And Thor can swing the hammer fast enough to tag both quicksilver and defeat the Silver Surfer, who is one of the fastest beings in comics. And finally strength. I'll be honest I don't read DC that often(I have read some Batman and some of the newer stuff they have because I honestly kind of enjoy the new 52) so I can't really argue that point of Superman's strength.
Thor (Seems I commented on the wrong comment that was meant for the lower one my screen is lagging from the amount of responses on this page.) Now as to my insults I would like to apologize for that but still my vocabulary is quite large, however I try my hardest not to insult so forgive me if my insults are not par the course for the internet. And now my comic love. I have been reading the comics for longer then you have been alive, and I loved the Xmen and the Avengers far before Marvel started their cinematic universe. Thor is actually among my least favorite avengers to date, I personally Prefer Iron Man or Hulk. I have read hundreds of comics, so no I am quite well versed on the marvel side of things. Are you?
Superman@sirspidey if you still can't see that superman can beat thor then lets take it up a notch shall we.....Cosmic armour superman vs rune king thor.............Cosmic armour superman will kill rune king thor no doubt about that (PLOT DEVICE)
Superman@sirspidey im calling you out! Thor vs superman you said "Don't debate me unless you are prepared to reference comics as evidence for the things you say. My knowledge is mostly revolved around Thor and Captain America since they are the most interesting Superheros...." "reference comics as evidence" JLa vs avengers crossover..... Superman wins. DON"T YOU DARE SAY CROSSOVERS DON'T COUNT. THEY INDEED DO! IF BOTH SIDES CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS FACT EVEN IF WRITERS STRETCH SOMETHING IF IT IS PUBLISHED IT WILL INDEED BE CONSIDERED FACT!!!!! YOU ALSO SAID "Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely" IF YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT tell me what the time barrier is .....DON'T KNOW? well is 10 times the speed of light and super has done that and gone faster than that.... you are so bias about thor you cant see fact!!!!!!!!!!
Thor On SirSpideys behalf for the moment I will say this you incompetent and insufferable fool. I don't often agree with SirSpidey when it comes to Thor's powers, I think he trumps him up a lot and vastly overestimates him, but he isn't wrong in this fight. Yeah, the JLa vs Avengers comics aren't cannon, they were decided by fans and have the same meaning in a real fight as someones fan fiction battle. Believe it or not everything written in comics is not fact, if a company declares a comic not cannon that's it it no longer matters to the main characters storyline. So no, Thor has never actually lost to Superman because they have never fought in a cannon comic series, get over it. Secondly the time barrier in DC may be ten times the speed of light as you say but in marvel it may be different. The fact is time isn't related to speed, so to transcend time means that speed becomes irrelevent which is why Thor can throw his hammer across the entire universe in minutes, which by the way is HUNDREDS OF TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
Superman ok @theoverlord I agree about it not being cannon. I don't agree that the time barrier is different You are the incompetent and insufferable fool because time barrier is the same every where no matter what. all you said was thors HAMMER not thor his hammer can do that not him self. like I said superman can lift INFINTIY and Eternity has thor ever done that nooooooo. so that means superman is stronger and look this up "fastest superheros ever" will you see thor ....noooo will you see superman yes....
Superman sir spidey is ignorant because he said "Superman can only lift 2.6 octillion tons. Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman" that it self proves he indeed knows nothing........."Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman" Thor does not have infinite strength...........Superman Already beat thor just read the comic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thor cant fly without the hammer. thor is not FASTER THAN SUPERMAN SUPERMAN IS MEANT TO BE THE BEST, OVERPOWERED, IN A WAY A GOD. of course others can beat him im not saying that its just in this scenario superman will WINNNNNNN EVERYONE WATCH VARIANT COMICS ON WHY SUPERMAN IS THE MOST POWERFUL HERO!!!!!!!!
Thor Wow, a matchup between the god of thunder and a godlike alien! A lot of my real life friends would consider Thor to be the winner, and they have reasons that I agree with like the fact that Thor has Mjolnir which is one of the most powerful weapons in comics. Both characters are some of the strongest, in my opinion, Superman is stronger though, if he wanted to he could just punch the whole planet in 2, Thor still has Mjolnir which only Thor or many other Asgardians can lift, Superman, can't lift Mjolnir and Thor can, So that makes Superman have a lower chance of winning. Eventually, you have to come to come to a conclusion, I think Superman could win mainly because Thor doesn't use magic or have any kryptonite!
Superman Everyone is dumb.......Thor can't beat superman i don't care what anyone says. superman can lift infinity and eternity. The marvel fan boys always say JL or superman is "OVERPOWERED" which makes no sense because they then say avengers would win. If someone is overpowered THEY ARE OVERPOWERED. They also say thors a god well that doesn't mean he's the god like ToAA. Gods have been known to get killed like ares killed all the gods. and who beat ares......WONDER WOMAN....and who can beat wonder woman.........Superman. one last thing hercules is factually the physically strongest marvel character...and wonder woman has roughed him up before soooo my point exactly on superman is stronger he also is faster (fact), and smarter.......besides SUPERMAN HAS BEATEN THOR BEFORE IN A CROSSOVER AND BEATEN HULK. SUPS has wielded thors hammer and has had caps shield at the same time!!!
Superman Power: Superman Endurance: Superman Speed: Superman Durability: Superman Strength: Superman Combat: Thor Thor only has one category, sorry but it's true. And I expect @SirSpidey to intervene.
Thor@Martin: Thor can lift the weight of the entire Universe. Superman can only lift 2.6 octillion tons. Thor is infinitely times stronger than Superman
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: How is Superman more powerful? How does Superman have more endurance? How does Superman have more speed? How does Superman have more durability? How does Superman have more strength?
Thor Regular Thor can't destroy Galaxies, but Warriors Madness Thor can easily destroy Galaxies. I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact. Why are you denying the facts? I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact. Why are you denying the facts? I have already proved that Thor beating Superman is fact. Why are you denying the facts? It all come down to one word.....fanboyism
Superman You have not proven any of the so called "facts". If you have proven them, stop being a lazy bum and type the the comic book in which he does these "facts". You have not proven Thor can beat Superman, you just keep saying that you do, and praise Thor. A very poor debating strategy if you ask me, and if my favorite superhero is Captain America, how can I be a fanboy. If anyone is a fanboy here, it is by all means you, @SirSpidey.
Thor Cap here are some scans of Thor fighting inside the heart of a star, so SirSpidey is correct about Thor easily surviving being thrown into a sun. Supes would have to find some other way to beat Thor. Also Just to add my comment but Supes could never throw Thor into the Sun anyways, Thor can fly in space so if supes threw him he'd come straight back anyways. Anyhow, here are some scans. https://i.imgur.com/JeqH4bq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HTcFYEV.jpg
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Since your simple mind cannot just scroll down in the comments section: - What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact" > Evidence: Thor Volume 1 #494 - What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact" > Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: I have already proven that Thor can beat Superman. Let me just type it all out again for your simple mind: - First off, Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver (Quicksilver can run at light speed) and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that. Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds. Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes). Thor has microsecond reaction time. Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hear cries from the other side of the planet. So, Im pretty sure Thor could keep up with Superman very easily. Also the Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon. Plus the winners of the battles in those comics were dictated by who had more votes
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: For intelligence, Superman did not come from Krypton. All of his knowledge came from Earth. Just because you are a certain race does not mean you are smarter than other races, if that is what you are trying to imply. If anything, Thor is smarter because he is thousands upon thousands of years old. If you cant agree with that, let me ask you this. Would a 30 year old man be smarter than a several thousand plus year old man? Of course not, that just doesn't make any sense. For strength, Superman and Shazam, as seen in the comic, were not able to even budge the Book of Infinite pages. It was Ultraman who lifted it and Superman is no Ultraman. Thor is physically the strongest of the Asgardian gods and his strength has been called unlimited. Thor pushed the weight of Yggdrasil and all 10 worlds which is estimated to weigh close to 104.5 octillion tons. Thor pulled off the Midgard Serpent from the Earth which was coiled around Earth at least twice around. That would weigh 100 sextillion tons. The force of his punches shatter entire worlds. He physically held together the fissures of a badly damaged moon. He has effortlessly snapped adamantium alloy cables by simply flexing. His punch when met with the same amount of force has closed dimensional rifts. Wonder Man conceded Thor as his superior in strength. He has also resisted the gravity of a neutron star. He was able to break Silver Surfer's force field with a single blow. He has also stalemated Hercules and the Hulk in various contests of strength and nearly rendered the Juggernaut unconscious after negating his mystical defenses. He has also sent the Hulk-like Bodolf the Black right through the entire Earth with a single punch. Thor has greater feats of strength compared to Superman. For speed, Thor is much faster, he can be anywhere in seconds. That is greater of an accomplishment than Superman could ever dream of doing
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: For durability, There are many characters who have defeated Superman in a physical fight like Wonder Woman for instance. Thor has tanked being blasted by Celestials, some of the most powerful beings in all of comics, three times in a row and got back up to continue the fight easily. Thor is invulnerable to powerful energy blasts, weighted impacts, falls from great heights, explosions and various other opposing forces. Even without his godly power Thor is still physically the strongest and most durable of all the Asgardians. Being a god whose heritage is both half-Asgardian and half-Elder God affords Thor virtual invulnerability and immunity to any such human ailments as diseases, toxins, poisons, corrosives, fire, viruses, electrocution, and asphyxiation. He has an immunity to heat, subzero temperatures, lead, and radiation poisoning. Thor has flown through the heart of stars. He withstood the weight of a score of planets. Thor was able to survive direct multiple blasts from the Asgardian Destroyer. Thor once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of ravaging an entire planet and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria. He has withstood several blasts from Odin. Thor is truly extremely difficult to kill as his life force is stated to be augmented by his godlike heritage and Mjolnir. Also, with Thor using his other powers, he can regenerate missing limbs or organs. That is much more than what Superman has been proven to be capable of. Thor has fought and defeated Surtur, a being who trumps Doomsday in power and strength as if it were an ant, metaphorically and literally
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Oh yea. I almost forgot. Thor is capable of creating powerful barriers, force fields, and vortexes that are impenetrable. Not even Earth's most advanced weapons could weaken Thor's barrier field that shielded the U.N. headquarters. Thor stated that he could have contained a cosmic flash attack from Stellaris, this blast was strong enough to destroy the planet Earth. These vortexes and barriers are so immensely durable that Thor was able to completely contain the explosion generated by a life bomb, which is so powerful it would have completely destroyed a fifth of the Marvel Universe, without the vortex even faltering, meaning that Thor literally contained a blast that is capable of annihilating millions upon millions of galaxies. Superman would never get through something like that. Thor is vastly beyond what Superman could ever be in terms of durability
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Ooooo, wow. Superman took out a bunch of clones and destroyed a planet? Very impressive. LOL, Thor clearly is more powerful than Superman by a far margin if those are the best feats Superman has. Thor has energy manipulation powers that are on par with the Silver Surfer. He is armed with Mjolnir, the mystical warhammer that has been shown to be capable of opening passageways through space and time, blocking all sorts of energy blasts, and bending the elements to its master's will. He has complete mastery over the weather, he can open chasms in the Earth, and if worst comes to worst, use the dreaded Godblast, an attack that is so powerful that one time Mjolnir shattered from the amount of power Thor channeled into it. This Godblast has even caused a crack in the armor of the Celestial Exitar, the force of which created a shock wave which rocked the planet Pangoria to its foundations. Thor's immortal life-force is more powerful than the mystical properties of Mjolnir. Thor can use his breath to create hurricane force winds. He has the ability to control the Earth. He is able to create continental-spanning chasms and earthquakes, that are off the Richter Scale, in the Earth itself. He can control landslides and avalanches. When he was trapped in the Tesseract (a pocket universe prison) from the Collector, Thor determined the boundaries of the Tesseract and escaped. His natural powers surpass most Asgardian gods
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: He can easily go toe to toe with Zeus's own extreme powers. During Ragnarok, Thor had seen his family and friends fall to Loki's army and he reached down into himself for strength he never realized before and projected an energy blast so powerful that he knocked out Durok the Demolisher, who was so powerful that Thor, even with Mjolnir, was barely able to hold his own against. He can always project omni-directional blasts. He is capable of discharging lightning bolts from his hands. He also summoned a lightning bolt from the sky without Mjolnir to strike Hogun to revive him from near death. He summoned a lightning bolt to strike Hercules (which brutally injured him) to break his grip on him. He once mended together a badly damaged moon with his lightning
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can erase the memories of Superman's with the wave of his hand. Additional enchantments placed upon it by Odin made it virtually indestructible. It has survived heat as extreme as the heart of suns and blasts powerful enough to destroy planets. Almost nothing is capable of withstanding a blow from Mjolnir, not even the armor of the powerful Celestials. Mjolnir has countless of mystical attributes and powers such as manipulation of the fundamental forces of the universes, including the electromagnetic spectrum and gravity. The enchantment is so powerful that even with the hammer cut in half, it's still in effect. Mjolnir can pass through nearly any barrier to reach Thor should he so choose. Mjolnir will even carve its way through the very center of entire planets to get back to its master. Wielding Mjolnir grants its master the ability to control rain, wind, thunder, lightning and more (although Thor can control them by himself, it seems that Mjolnir boosts his ability of controlling the base elements of a storm)
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. It can also create any of these phenomena individually. Mjolnirs user can create storms on a planetary wide scale or larger if needed, and is not limited to the normal limits of Mother Nature and can go beyond and defy what natural weather can do such as creating rain in space where there is no atmosphere. The ability of Thor to control and create storms extends to any and all storms as he has been shown to control and create raging temporal storms in time, create Solar Flares, powerful stellar winds in space, and so on. His godly energy is so vast and powerful, that even when reinforced with the Belt of Strength, which should double Mjolnir's fortification and durability, that when Thor channeled his godly energies into Mjolnir to destroy the Brain Dome of the mighty Celestial Exitar, the hammer shattered from the amount of power Thor channeled. The Godblast is so immensely powerful and destructive that it has proven capable of destroying beings as large and as powerful as Galactus, who was forced to flee for his life.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Thor can send the Godblast to the core of Ego the Living Planet and Alter Ego and render both comatose. He has also used the Godblast to defeat immortals such as Surtur, Ymir, Juggernaut, and Zelia. Thor is capable of producing an indescribably powerful blast known as the Anti-Force Blast which is capable of annihilating entire planets. This blast is so powerful that with just a single emission, Thor was capable of putting down and killing the powerful entity Mangog himself. Thor has the ability to produce a universe shaking Thermo Blast capable of decimating even entire planets and beings as durable as Ego the Living Planet. Thor is able to use Mjolnir to absorb any energy blasts directed towards him as means of attack. Once the energy is absorbed, Thor can redirect it back amplified many times over towards the source and/or use it as a weapon of his own. Thor has used Mjolnir to reflect the vast and hazardous amounts of energy being emitted by the biological weapon implanted within the Wasp's body by the Skrulls back at her while all of Earth's other superheros were helpless. Thor used Mjolnir to absorb Ultron's entire energy source, the Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic, Sky-Walker's Cosmic Tempest, radio active energy, magnetism, such as Magneto's personal magnetic field, and a portion of Pangoria's planetary magnetic field.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: Mjolnir's ability to absorb energy is so powerful he managed to absorb, contain and redirect the entire energy of the Null Bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy the entire galaxy, and absorb mystical energies such as Pluto's mystic flame. He was even able to absorb a portion of the mystical energies from every god pantheon and absorbed the electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship. Thor can channel energies for the purpose of Wormholes through means of a vortex and in this vortex time has no meaning, which means he and others can pass through it to their destinations instantaneously. Thor has used Mjolnir to rip the fabric of the universe to send Surtur and Ymir to the Death Dimension. He has sent an entire population to Limbo and Thor can also use Mjolnir to travel through portals anywhere within the same dimension. By spinning Mjolnir in a precise manner at cyclotronic speeds, Thor can manipulate matter from a molecular level to a vast scale, which allows him to create other configurations and even allows him to transmute the elements themselves. This ability was evident when he transmuted the Absorbing Man's wood and iron body to the gas helium. While channeling his power through Mjolnir, Thor was able to resurrect a man he had wrongly killed. Thor's hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and can use it to atomize any weaponry. He has the power to negate any form of mystical energy. He used this ability on the Juggernaut himself to negate the mystical energies that grant him his mystical invulnerability, allowing him to defeat Juggernaut in combat.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: He was also able to stop Mephisto from taking human souls to the Dark Dimension. Thor can use Mjolnir to tap into the power of the Nether Worlds (dark dimensions). Mjolnir allows Thor to produce and control Cosmic Energy to an unknown limit for a variety of purposes. Thor was able to absorb and manipulate the electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mothership. Thor can turn himself or others completely intangible and/or invisible. An offshoot of this ability is that Thor can use Mjolnir to completely disrupt the phasing abilities of super humans such as the Vision, Shadowcat, and etc. Thor's hammer has the ability to manipulate souls. Thor can absorb the Life-Force of someone. Thor used this ability on the super villain the Presence, who was forced to surrender to prevent himself from being reduced to a lifeless husk. Mjolnir can distinguish images, holograms, and different illusions from reality. This is evident whenever Thor commanded his hammer to strike the demon lord Mephisto, who was hiding among false images of himself. Even without activating the powers of Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, enchanted by Odin, is impervious to all forms of change, as he himself claimed that no power in the universe but the All-Father's could affect Mjolnir. Shown when Amora's magical efforts during her first confrontation with Thor to change Mjolnir into a deadly serpent availed her naught. In spite of Immortus taking away Mjolnirs time travel abilities, Mjolnir is still capable of manipulating time to some extent. So, unless Superman has better feats than these, Thor obviously is the more powerful of the two by a faaaaaaaaar margin
Thor Ok, so I'm gonna list a few ways this battle could play out. If it's base to base then Thor wins with relative ease thanks to magic. If Superman makes it to the sun there's really nothing Thor can do. If it's bloodlusted then I think Thor would win, again thanks to magic.
Thor Wha you said except when Superman makes it to the sun Thor has held a casual conversation in the center of the sun so he would just follow him to the sun and use his god blast.
Thor If Superman gets to be Sun empowered, Thor gets to go into Warriors Madness state. Thor would win without a doubt if he goes into Warriors Madness state
Thor When wielding Mjolnir, Thor can travel at ludicrous speeds. In some versions, Thor's not only one of the strongest characters in the Marvel Universe, but also one of the fastest, which is clear by his ability to travel faster than the speed of light. Thor took down Quicksilver which is due to him being able to track objects moving at several times the speed of light. He also once said that, on Earth, he can travel at supersonic speeds, but in space, he could travel around the Sun and across the universe in a matter of seconds. That is all probably due to Mjolnir's power transcending both time and space. Yes, time - Thor once traveled through time. Also, he can regularly travel across the universe or between the 9 Realms without the aid of the Bifrost in a very short amount of time. The 9 Realms have sometimes been shown to be separated universes.
Thor Your a complete foolish fanboy. SUPERMAN CANT MELT THOR'S HAMMER YOU FOOL! AND EVEN IF HE DOES SHOOT LASERS AT MJOLNIR, NO EFFECT WILL HAPPEN, OR THOR CAN ABSORB IT!
Thor Why do ya'll think Superman wins? I mean Thor has better feats of strength, speed, durability, and power. Prove to me that Superman wins. Unless you are voting because you like Superman more. I guess that is okay?
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll: For strength, considering Thor pushed the weight of the entire Universe, I'm pretty sure he is stronger than Superman. For Speed, Thor can run at the speed of light
Superman Well, @SirSpidey. You say the comics depict a Thor victory? Well how so? Why do you say that? I will say, i dont know a whole lot about Thor, and i'm more of a DC guy. But i do try to keep an open mind about characters. So could you please inform me of why you believe Thor would beat Superman?
Superman I have, i find them inconclusive. Though i would like to ask you a question. Some of the feats which you have stated for Thor. are they current? Or are they from a random comic twenty years ago? Or are they current "cannon" Thor abilities?
Superman I will take that as, "They *are* cannon." Thank you. The thing is, you have listed a number of rather impressive accomplishments by Thor. But its not like Superman hasn't done things like that. Now, i'm not an expert. Just a guy who likes super heroes, so i am probably somewhat ignorant in some areas. But i still believe that you have somewhat underestimated Superman.
Superman Superman benched the earth for five days. According to comic vine, thats bench pressing 1 decillion 50 nonillion 14 octillion pounds for 250,000 reps. Don't tell me that Thor is stronger than Superman.
Superman By the the way, 1. Thor never moved the Universe and 2. just because Thor beat Quicksilver in a race doesn't mean he can run the sped of light. Quicksilvers max speed was as fast radio waves, which is not even close to the speed of light, and if I am wrong about Thor " lifting the Universe" tell me the series of comic books what number it is.
Thor@Durge1: Yes, everything I say is canon. The thing is, Superman has never accomplished feats like the ones Thor has accomplished or at least the New 52 Superman. I am not underestimating Superman. Superman is just fighting someone who can beat Galactus in a fight
Superman@SirSpidey i have thought about this topic somewhat, and i have decided that i am not qualified to debate you. You obviously are better versed in the comics aspect. While i still dont agree with you, i have decided to concede. I took your advise and read some of your debates with other members, and it is clear that i will be unable to change your mind. And as for all of your information, i would like to inquire to something my associate @CaptainAmericaTakesAll, could you please specify when Thor "Moved the Universe" ? I'm personally just curious.
Superman I will not concede like @Durge1, but I will call this a draw. If you want to continue this I will gladly defend the most powerful super hero of all time. Superman.
Superman@CaptainAmericaTakesAll I only conceded the argument because i have no intention to continue a discussion with someone who has no respect for those he debates. (I read his other comments.) I also doubt the authenticity of his arguments. (I have been unable to find any proof of his statement that Thor "Moved the universe." Superman still wins, but i dont want to get into an insult-fest with a man who obviously is biased against DC. I claim a moral victory.
Superman I would like to add though, if @SirSpidey does offer solid evidence to his claim i will gladly retract my statement regarding the accountability of his word.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll/Durge1: ComicVine is not reliable. Everything everyone says on ComicVine are their own personal opinions unless, of course, they prove their opinions fact. If you look at my analysis of Supermans feat of strength, nothing about it is questionable. It is all fact. I suggest you use my calculations. You can even try and debunk my calculations if you want, but I have it all backed up with facts. As for evidence that Thor lifted the weight of the Universe, refer back to my previous comments. As for the speed of Quicksilver, Radio Waves are as fast as light, look it up. As for Superman racing the Flash, the Flash was not moving as fast as he could, as stated in the comic. The Flash also goes on to beat Superman very casually.
Thor@CaptainAmericaTakesAll/Durge1: The only reason you are unable to change my mind is because you have no evidence to back up your claims. Until you do so, Thor factually wins. Also, what is so unfactual about Thor lifting the weight of the Universe? Did I not provide the comic? Explain to me how Superman is the most powerful superhero of all time. I´m dying to hear it. And I don´t want your opinion, prove it with facts. Lastly, what is so inauthentic about my arguments?
Superman I disagree, that is not a valid argument. Just because his name has the word "super" in it. Does not mean he wins..... though he does win. Sorry Thor fans, i know he is strong. But Super Man is just....too strong.
Superman The battle could go either way but it would take a lot of hours to end the fight, I only choose superman because he was born with his powers Thor was only gifted his hammer by his father Odin.
Thor It would be super close but in the end, I think Thor's magic will end up killing Superman. It would be super close though. Thor would be left with like 20% health
Superman Superman has beaten Shazam before. Shazam has the same manic capabilities as Thor. Let's not forget,didn't Superman bench press he weight of the Earth, WITHOUT Solar Energy for 5 days without breaking a sweat. This was New 52 Superman too...
Thor You cannot say that because Superman beat Shazam, Superman beats Thor. Shazam isn't anywhere close to the power of Thor. If you read my comment below about these two characters strength, you will see that Thor is 40 times stronger than Superman
Thor Speed: Thor can officially run at light speed due to the fact that he has struck down a speeding Quicksilver. The speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time and space. So in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and has stopped completely. This means that Superman would be dead, within no specified amount of time because Mjolnir transcends time, without Superman even knowing. As a result of Mjolnir transcending time, Thor can appear anywhere in the Universe in just seconds. So unless Superman transcends both time and space, Thor isn't going to break a sweat fighting him. Thor has also swung Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. He is also able to detect objects moving several times the speed of light. Thor is clearly the faster character unless, of course, Superman has better feats ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Evidence: The Mighty Avengers #34, Thor #393, Thor #337, Thor #166, Fantastic Four #339, and Journey Into Mystery #102
Thor Just because a comic is old, does not mean it is not canon. For DC that is true, but Marvel isn't terrible like DC. These comics happened in Earth 616 so they are in the mainstream continuity
Thor And you're point is......? Because that comic is in Earth 616, it is canon. Marvel isn't awful as DC is. DC is so terrible that they had to erase 70 years worth of comic book continuity due to terrible and dreadful writing and disorganization
Thor Marvel has never been bankrupt. If they ever have, which they haven't, they came back pretty quick. Also, being bankrupt is a much better situation to be in rather than having terrible comics
Superman I suggest you do some research Marvel did go bankrupt in the 90s because their comics were bad, and had to sell a number of their characters to save the business.
Thor No, Marvel did not file bankruptcy because their comics were bad, that's a DC problem. They filed bankruptcy because comic books in general were dying off in the 90's and seven of Marvel's most influential writers just decided, with no reason, to leave Marvel and make their own comic book company called Image Comics
Superman Ya, they did almost go bankrupt because their comics are horrible. And the guys that run Mavel are such losers that they decided to tell comic book shops to destroy "x" amount of DC comics, and in return Marvel would give the shops special edition copies of certain Marvel issues
Thor Lol, now you're just making things up. As I said, Marvel went bankrupt because seven of their writers left them and comics were dying in the 90's. Besides, Marvel came back extremely quick, they recovered in less than a year. And don't get me started on the time Marvel almost bought out DC
Superman The fact they went bankrupt means neither business is perfect, they are both excellent and both bad at the same time. They both have the same ups and downs.
Thor Ah, so at first you are saying that Marvel has bad comics and then you say that they both Marvel and DC are equal. You know nothing of what you talk about. You are a typical fanboy. Marvel's bankruptcy was not their fault, they had no say in the matter. DC almost got bought out by Marvel solely because Warner Bros. thought DC was dead weight and so they offered Marvel, whose management they believed to be superior since their comics were selling better, the opportunity to take over stewardship of DC's characters. Marvel would have continued to publish DC's seven most popular titles (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Justice League, Teen Titans, and Legion of Superheros) and would have room to expand the titles later if they so chose, but Marvel declined the offer because they thought the reason DC was failing was because of the characters and that DC would have unlikely been a profitable venture for Marvel. Marvel is clearly the better company
Thor You said quote on quote, "At least Dc didn't go bankrupt because their comics were bad like Marvel did" You screwed yourself, you can't lie to us now
Thor Strength: Yes, Thor pulling the Midgard Serpent off of the Earth is a great feat, but defiantly not his best one. Thor's greatest feat that trumps anyone of Superman's feats is pushing Yggdrasil and all ten worlds connected to it which world weigh approximately 104,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (octillion) tons. Superman's greatest feat is bench pressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. If Superman were to be doing 1 bench press per 1 second, that would be 86,400 bench presses per day. If we multiply 86,400 by 5, you get 432,000. If we multiply 432,000 by the weight of the Earth, you only get 2,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (octillion) tons. Thor is 40 times stronger than Superman
Thor Intelligence: Thor is several of thousands years old. Has learned and experienced several thousands of more and different things as Superman. He possesses and retains the intellect and knowledge of Donald Blake even as Thor. Donald Blake/Thor are so smart that they once built an android that had an IQ of 375 and durable enough to withstand blows from Mjolnir. That androids IQ is 183 points more than Batman's IQ. Thor's time with Tony Stark and the Avengers also gave him great knowledge of complex Earthly systems of electronics and the ability to modify the systems for his own purposes. He is shown to be an avid reader of books written by other deities when he needs to learn new information ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #111, Journey Into Mystery #95, Thor: God of Thunder #20 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ *Note - For your evidence, please don't give me websites or speculations. Websites are not reliable sources. Only give me comics. Also, You cannot use Golden Age or Silver Age feats of Superman. Those Are not canon feats. DC fans can only use New 52 feats because that is DC's new canonical timeline
Thor@TheTrueSuperman: Lets cut out all of this bullshit and start anew. Lets exchange evidence and feats. Whoever has better feats and can prove there feats with evidence, wins the debate. The category's are Intelligence, Strength, Speed, Durability, Power, and Combat. Ill start first
Thor Now, it is time for the fun stuff, now that I have proved my argument to be all true. I will debunk practically every statement of @TheTrueSuperman
Thor No, I specifically said that I will provide my evidence for the debunks I made against @wolfdragon123. That evidence I provided were not my debunks made against you. Maybe if your simple mind would go back and read all my comments all over again you will figure it out. Also, how can comics suck? I used comics to prove every single feat of Thor's. The comics are what proved my argument to be true. Also, to see if you have been following along, what do you think my argument is? And I don't want a fanboy answer
Superman@SirSpidey Why do you feel the need to call people fanboys all of the time? You can think they have bias towards a character, but do you really need to resort to name calling?
Thor I don't see it as name calling. I see it as what they are. Being a fanboy and having bias towards a character is the exact same thing so stop trying to be politically correct
Superman How is that politically correct? And how is it not name calling? You are calling them a fanboy (a name). And I know that it's the same thing. Saying 'you are clearly biased towards this character' is much more mature than saying 'you are a fanboy'.
Superman First of all, I can still debate Superman. I just don't want to debate Superman V Thor with you because I see no end, and if there is no ending than what is the point? I thought someone who acts as "high and mighty" as you would think of this, but some people in this world just aren't gifted with an actual brain. Your facts, although you may have more doesn't mean they are better. If I took as much time as you I could find just as many or more facts and evidence for how Superman could do better feats than that, but since after that you could do the same it would never end. Then your little "fanboy" thing is such a joke and SO hypocritical. You call me a fanboy yet you can't stand it if your hero loses even if it is a logical and full sided loss against Thor. You know it deep down but you won't admit it because if you did, you wouldn't even have an argument anymore. Deny it all you want, we both know its true no matter how hard you try to hide it.
Thor It is politically correct because saying, "you are a fanboy" means the exact same thing as, "you are biased towards that character." This is the problem with our society now a days. People think that saying something a way people want to hear it matters. It doesn't, just man up and get on with the argument. "Oh, he just called me a fanboy. Im going to hide in this corner so that people cant see me." Dude, its not a big deal
Superman@SirSpidey Also I want to add that-- where did political correctness come into play? Nowhere is the correct answer. Also, it is name calling because you are giving me a title/name, which is absolutely childish... are you too arrogant and dumb to realize this? For someone who knows a lot about Comics, you sure don't know a lot about other things like Common friggin' Sense. You are biased in every fight against Thor for how much you like him and for some reason, you seem to have a bias against Superman based off of many fights you have voted on. You also make fun of my debating yet you can't seem to actually structure a real argument. Listing evidence is a good start though. But don't worry, maybe someday when you are older you just might reach close to my level. You have shown that you wanted an argument when all I asked for was a debate, so here is what you asked for.
Thor@TheTrueSuperman: If you would scroll almost all the way down, you will see my argument against @wolfdragon123's reason Superman would win. I am proving my argument against @wolfdragon123 with this evidence
Superman I'm not making a big deal about it. I am just asking a question. And I am not trying to be politically correct, hell, I'm the farthest thing from it.
Superman I still don't think that is being politically correct, like @LordTracer I am the furthest thing from politically correct. I think it is stupid and shows just how weak people have become. About the name calling, I don't give a crap that you call me a name, its funny. What I am saying is it makes you look like a loser and makes what should be a friendly debate into just a flat-out argument that doesn't even regard the point of this website. Looking at some of your "structured arguments" that you claim to have. Yes, they are more structured than what you were trying to throw at me in our debate, but they still seem weak. You also don't incorporate the evidence into them, you just kind of say stuff and act like it is real even if it is not or has never had any proof to be. So back to what I said, maybe someday you just might be close to my level. Then when you say "questioning something that isn't really a big deal means that for some reason it is a big deal to you" is false. You can question/ask what time it is from someone but not really care what time it is, or even care that much if you find out. You are just proving right to me that you just want to argue, not debate about superheroes, but just argue about random crap. You probably feel like if you argue and insult some other people it will make you better than them or more special. Sorry to break it to you pal, but you aren't. So suck up your problems and actually debate rather than just argue for no reason.
Thor As for @TheTrueSuperman starting with your first comment: Comment #1: There is an end to this debate......whenever someone wins. Lol, Everyone has a brain in this world, I don't get your point in that statement :). What your saying is that websites, created with the opinions of some random people, are a better source of evidence than actual comics written by the characters creator? Very smart and logical @TheTrueSuperman. Some advice, saying it is one thing, but actually doing the things you say is completely different. Take as much time as I did and find some feats of Superman that are better. The only reason you are saying this debate would never end is to cover up the fact that you have not opened up one comic so you are trying to hurry up and end the debate before you have to provide us with some factual evidence. Your arguments are illogical and pathetic. For some weird reason you think you are winning in this debate but yet, you have only given me some opinion based websites, 6 non-canon comics, and only 1 canon comic. I have given you a whole 128 canon comics for evidence of my feats for Thor. Your going to have to do a lot better than that to beat me. Again, as I have said before, I am not a fanboy if I use facts. I have yet to see one Superman fanboy, including you, debunk my factual evidence and feats, with factual evidence and feats. Its pitiful, you Superman fanboys
Thor For @TheTrueSuperman's second comment: Comment #2: If you could actually effectively use your brain, you would know that political correctness came into play with @LordTracer's comment for why I say, "fanboy" instead of saying, "You are biased towards this character." For your next idiotic point, what you are saying is that you are offended by people calling you by your name? Well thats extremely logical. Don't talk to me about common sense whenever you say things like, "It is name calling because you are giving me a title/name." Boi, doesn't common sense dictate that your very own name is a "title/name." As I have stated before, I only use canonical factual evidence and logic for my reason for someone winning. Again, I want to know what you think my argument is. Also, I'm curious, what is your level? Lastly, common sense also dictates that in a debate, there are arguments, you dim wit
Thor For @TheTrueSuperman's third comment: Comment #3: Says the one who gets offended by me, like a girl, calling him a fanboy. What else would you rather me call you other than what you are? First off, I want to get some things straight. This whole me "calling you names" (Boo-Hoo, we feel so sorry for you) all started when you came into @JuggarNot and I's discussion saying, quote on quote, "Sir Spidey... do you actually believe Thor can beat Superman, Silver Surfer, and Martian Manhunter at the same time? No offense, but I think you are too much of a Thor fanboy. I haven't seen you vote against Thor on any fight, even fights (like this one) that he obviously loses." So don't come at me saying that since I called you some names (Geez, this whole name calling thing is like I'm talking to 5 year old), it makes me look like a loser and makes what should be a friendly debate into just a flat-out argument that doesn't even regard the point of this website. News flash, your calling yourself a loser. Your the one who wanted to start an argument. Here is the link to the battle in which you said that if you want, https://www.superherodb.com/battle/thor-vs-team-superman/45-21809/. When did I ever say that my arguments are well structured? My god, how stupid can you get? If you weren't 5 years old, you could actually conceptualize what I'm trying to do. ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT I PROVIDED (all the comic books that I referenced), ARE ALL EVIDENCE TO WHAT I WAS SAYING TO @wolfdragon123 ALMOST ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE COMMENTS SECTION. Its actually quite simple. As for your idiotic time statement, if it isn't a big deal to you, why even ask what time it is? Your logic is excruciatingly painful to deal with. Again, the only reason a debate can exist is if you have a well thought out and logical argument, of which you do not have
Thor Again, you are the reason this society is so weak. @TheTrueSuperman asked for me to bash him and I did. All of this "name calling and insults" are all started by @TheTrueSuperman, not me
Superman I am the reason? I'm the only reason. Because that makes sense. Look, I can take an insult. And I can dish them out. I just don't see the point of insulting someone you've never seen before over something so trivial as what fictional character would win against another fictional character.
Thor Why aren't you saying this to @TheTrueSuperman? He is the one who started it all. He is the one who wanted for me to bash him. I could be having a nice chill debate with TheTrueSuperman using feats and giving evidence for those feats, but no, TheTrueSuperman does not want that. So, if this is such a big deal to you, why give me crap for it?
Superman First of all SirSpidey, YOU started all this and you alone. Look at how many comments I commented trying to say that we should have a friendly debate, and you trashed all that and went straight for a fight. So don't pin your mistakes on me. Also, you said that I said I was offended by people calling me names... did you not read my comments? I said the complete opposite of that. I said it was a joke, and that it made them look childish. Your "Politically Correct" argument is still crap, I started to see what you were saying but the thing is it doesn't work. Phrasing things differently to give a more respectful tone in a debate is different than actually changing terms just so people feel "special." Then this is my favorite part. You say that I get all offended and act like a girl when you call me a fanboy and that is SO SO SO hypocritical. What are you? A friggin liberal? Then you act like a victim when @LordTracer tries to help me out (Thanks by the way LordTracer). This debate doesn't have an end because neither one of us is going to change our minds, no matter how many sources we each share with each other. Also, you say that you have "128 Canon Comics" for sources. Well good for you... I guess it doesn't matter then that half of them have little to do with anything.
Superman Again, your arrogance amuses me. You claim how much of a good debater you are, but the thing is-- you aren't even a debater. Your style of "debate" is to make personal attacks against whoever opposes you and then try to argue about how much better you are than them. If Thor was real, he would be highly disappointed in you kid. You are a coward, dishonorable, and arrogant. All of which Thor is not. Thor also is respectful to others, and the main moral of many of his comics is to learn humility. You are the type of person who has turned what is usually something fun to talk about, into a useless fight because your pride punched you in the gut and you just let it. It is sad to see another human being like this. I hope someday you revaluate who you want to be, and that time I truly hope for your and everyone who comes to know you's sake, you choose the right way to go.
Thor I feel a couple comments I made helped to trigger this debate that devolved into a fight. Anytime there is a debate it is good to present evidence and point out flaws in the others evidence /arguments, but it is never productive to have personal attacks or call names. It isn't a political correctness thing, it just derails good debates and conversations. In one of my early comments an already frustrated SirSpidey grouped me in with "Superman fanboys". Had I just come back with an insult of my own we would have never started a dialog, which would have been regrettable, because I feel I have learned a lot. In my opinion it is also a little lazy to throw in a barb in the middle of a good argument/debate. It takes away from the quality of an good point and actually exposes an insecurity in yourself. This applies to an unprovoked insult or when responding to an insult with another insult. The best debaters are those that respond to an insult with calm and logic- they will inevitably make the other person look foolish for resorting to name-calling. Just wanted to throw in my two cents because I have enjoyed reading the posts from all those involved in this. I chose a goofy pic to go next to my name because I want to remember to keep this fun and light, I have to fight too much in my "real life", as many of us do. A debate or disagreement can be fun, a fight never is. If you read all this, thank you for your time and thoughts.
Thor It has to do with literally everything this whole "fanboy" argument is derived from. Since you and TheTrueSuperman think that calling someone a fanboy is wrong and you should go to Hell for it, this is what started it all. TheTrueSuperman barging into other peoples discussions saying what a fanboy they are whenever they actually use facts
Superman That is not what I said. I said it makes you seem childish. And honestly, that battle makes it seem like you have a large bias towards Thor. I'm not saying @TheTrueSuperman was in the right for calling you a fanboy, but saying Thor can defeat Martian Manhunter, Superman and Silver Surfer at the same time seems quit biased.
Thor That is exactly what you said. You did not say anything remotely close about me seeming childish. You said, "I'm sorry, what does that have to do with literally anything?" You are completely disregarding the point I was trying to make. Why give me crap about something that someone else started? Lol, Do you seriously hate me that much? As for that battle, I am not being a fanboy due to the fact that I used facts. If Thors hammer transcends time, time has no meaning in the "eyes" of Mjolnir. This means that the Silver Surfer, Martian Manhunter, and Superman would all be dead in no specified amount of time because Mjolnir transcends time. They would all be smashed to death by Mjolnir without any of them even knowing. So, please explain to me how exactly I am a fanboy if I use facts?
Superman I do not hate you. Why would I have hatred for someone on the Internet I do not know? And please show me something where Mjolnir can transcend time, post-Secret Wars.
Thor Well, you definitely are biased towards @TheTrueSuperman. It doesnt matter if it is post Secret Wars or not. Everything before Secret Wars is still canon. What made you believe it wasn't? The comic is: Thor #393
Superman No, you just act like a douche sometimes. And Secret Wars was a reboot, was it not? Has Thor done this any other time? Back when those comics were written, heroes gained whatever powers they needed to make the plot go in their favor. If Thor could still do this, why not do it against Thanos? Or some other threat that the Avengers have to face off against?
Thor Oooohhh, so now I'm the douche for barging into other peoples discussion calling them what a fanboy they are even though they have used facts to prove there argument. That seems logical and fair. TheTrueSuperman asked for it and I gave it back to him tenfold. Secret Wars was not a reboot. Marvel just decided to make a story arc where Earth-1610 and Earth-616 were conjoined. That is all Secret Wars was. Why do you think it was a reboot?
Superman Again, back when those comics were written, heroes gained whatever powers they needed. Either way, as far as I see, the vortex only transports people, it doesn't damage them. That could give Thor a win due to BFR, but since he has to wind up Mjolnïr to make the vortex, that's more than enough time for Superman (someone who can move faster than an instant) to stop Thor from BFRing him.
Thor You can say that about any comic new or old. I don't see your point in that statement. Even if Mjolnir isn't capable of harming someone, Thor can still teleport Superman to a Red Sun at the blink of an eye, as the comic says, and kill him there
Superman Not really now. Heroes have their powers set, they don't just gain and lose powers every comic because the plot says so. And the blink of an eye is slower than half an instant. So again, while Thor is winding up Mjolnir, Superman could attack him. And how would Thor know where a Red Sun is?
Thor First off, comics give and take away powers of characters all of the time. I thought you would know this since you seem to read comics. Why are you in denial? I'm pretty sure that if Mjolnir has done it 3 times before it isn't Plot Induced Stupidity. Secondly, the blink of an eye is commonly referenced when describing an "instant." Third, since you love for me to reference comic issues for some reason, I have decided to ask for you to return the favor and give me the comic issue in which Superman moves in half an instant, or whatever you said. And it better be New 52. Lastly, Thor would know where a Red Sun is because he always travels the universe doing some kind of mission. You just have to know who Thor is for that one
Superman https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/superman-165/greatest-new-52-superman-feats-1592365/ Just scroll down a bit, you'll see the scan of Superman moving at half an instant. And for the third time, Superman can attack Thor while he is winding up Mjolnir. And a Red Sun is in the Prime Earth DC universe, not the 616 Mavel Universe. So Thor would not find it during his explorations.
Thor Why do ya'll always give me some websites and images to look at? Is it really that hard to just read one simple comic? It just proves how limited your knowledge is of the character you are talking about. If you use the internet to get all of your information from, you are being limited to only some pictures and some opinions of random people from the web. In your picture @LordTracer, I do not know if this is New 52 or not, so you cannot rely on that one PICTURE for your whole argument. Once I get some confirmation that it is New 52, I just might consider it. Until then, that picture is useless.
Thor Since nothing on the picture says New 52, I'm assuming it isn't New 52. Almost everyone on ComicVine are either trolls, don't know about anything, or are just fanboys. Either way its just the opinion of a random dude. It is not fact
Thor Look, your lucky I'm even commenting back on you comments. How can I debate with someone who hasn't even read one comic book? He knows nothing of what he is talking about except the opinions of other people on the internet. Until you give me a comic book issue that has confirmation saying it is New 52, I am not considering it. Go read some comics and get back with me. Its as simple as that. I'll even help you out a little bit: http://readcomiconline.to/
Thor Okay, so first of all, holy crap SirSpidey! You went and pinned down all of those comics (or read all of them, which in that case, good job). That's impressive! Also, TheTrueSuperman, you did a good job too. I mean, I'm team Thor, but still, nice job. Okay, so here's why I think Thor would win (I don't have comic evidence, so sorry). First of all, Mjolnir. Mjolnir is very strong. I mean, it's an enchanted hammer that only the worthy can lift. I know Superman has lifted the hammer in that crossover, but that was once, while he probably won't be able to do it again. Next, Thor has his lightning, which could be magic, but I'm not sure (SirSpidey, if you know this one, then please confirm or die). So IF Thor has magic, then Superman has a big disadvantage. As for Superman's stats: Intelligence, Strength, Speed, Durability, Power, and Combat, some are pretty even, which I will get to on my next comment (because I don't know how long it will be and I don't want this comment to be to long).
Thor@BobbitsC: Thank you. I actually try to provide y'all with good, logical, canonical, and factual evidence, unlike some people. Don't buy into anyone's argument if they say that Superman has lifted Thor's hammer. First off, Those crossovers are not canon at all. Which means they cannot use those crossovers in an argument. Secondly, the winners of those crossovers were all dictated by who got more up votes by fans. Yes, the whole Amalgam Universe (the crossovers) is based off of the votes of the fans. As for Thor's lightning, everything about Thor derives from his limitless supply of magical energy that flows through him. So yes, Thor's lightning is magical
Superman Actually, @SirSpidey, if I may correct you, some of the battles were decided by fans. Most battles were decided by the writers of the comics themselves. The battles that were decided by fans are these: - Superman v. Hulk - Spider-Man v. Superboy - Batman v. Captain America - Wolverine v. Lobo - Storm v. Wonder Woman All others were decided by the writers.
Thor Ah, yes. I was informed incorrectly. Either way though, the Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon so therefore can not be used as evidence for a character winning over the other
Thor@SirSpidey I just realized you changed your image, just for this argument. That's pretty funny. I'm pretty sure you and TheTrueSuperman will never agree on this one.
Superman I have to do this in chunks because it wouldn't let me post due to the comment being too long. Also, this is nowhere near as good as my original comment but I am not taking the time to rewrite all that so consider this a long summary ; ) Why I believe Superman would beat Thor. 1. He IS faster. It is said on the official Marvel Comic's website --Marvel.com-- that Thor is able to travel at speeds a little over Mach 32 or 24,000MPH. Superman's top speed has never been calculated or seen but his fastest speed shown UNDER Earth's atmosphere was 7,200,000MPH which is Mach 9,350. It is also been said that Superman can travel far beyond the speed of light in the vacuum of space. Also it has been told that Superman can travel faster under Earth's atmosphere than previously stated, but he doesn't due to the damage it would cause. 2. Superman IS smarter, or at least uses his smarts in a much more efficient way. Thor is a highly intelligent being but has never shown impressive instances of intelligence. He has shown that he has a high intelligence in terms of strategy and street smarts, but there is a lack in the book smarts area. Superman is known to have "Super Intelligence" which is due to his braining also absorbing solar radiation constantly, in results to this he is able to remember/retain EVERY bit of knowledge he has learned. Superman learns many things due to his Earthly job, Heroic duties, Galaxy travels, and in some cases he has learned many things from Jor-El in his Fortress of Solitude. Superman has also shown high intelligence in the cases where he has beaten Mr. Mxyzptlk.
Superman 3. Superman IS stronger. Superman has been shown to lift 200 Quintillion Tons, bench press the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight without breaking a sweat and while losing the solar radiation from his cells, move planets by himself, and literally hold a black hole in-between his hands so it wouldn't expand. I then went and researched Thor's most impressive strength feats. He has many but it is said by fans and other readers that his most impressive strength feat is when he lifted the Midgard Serpent which is said to be about half to the whole weight of the Earth. I looked for more impressive strength feats (strength in regards to pulling/lifting/pushing) for Thor but couldn't find any. So send me a link to greater strength feats if you know of any. 4. Superman is flat out more powerful. Thor is known for being a powerhouse, which he is. His God Blast is so powerful that Galactus has even said that it could kill him. Superman has a solar flare which is immensely powerful (but not even close to the God Blast). So why does Superman take this category? Well Superman (even though this is cheesy and flat out dumb) has sneezed so hard it destroyed a whole solar system, it's dumb but it happened. Thor's lightning I believe to be more powerful than Superman's heat vision, but then Superman also has his freeze breath which he frequently uses. 5. Combat: Thor takes it easy. Superman has learned boxing and some brawling tactics, but compared to Thor that is nothing. Overall, Superman wins due to his greater speed, strength, overall power, and ability to use his smarts in a more significant way. It is also shown in a JLA+Avengers crossover that Superman and Thor fought and after a long well fought battle from each of them, Superman came out victorious. This is not as well put together as the original comment I had wrote, but I am not taking the time to re-write all of that again. So this I think is a good sized summary for the most part. Also here are some sources for information.
Superman I also hope you guys enjoy what I put together, I spent more time on this than I probably should of =) || I have homework I should've been getting done lol. Also, I just want to put it out there that I absolutely LOVE Thor. I also do love Superman, but I am just stating my honest opinion on who I think would win. Ok, enjoy.
Superman Also, instead of Superman and Thor fighting all the time here is a fight I want you guys to vote on. https://www.superherodb.com/battle/superman-and-thor-vs-spectre/45-21865/
Thor Now it is my turn to ask you for evidence like you asked of me in the Hulk vs Superman battle. I cant trust anything you said in this comment if you don't reference the comic issues that you used to get your evidence. Once you do that, I will go on to debunk you statements and also give my evidence as well but only if you do what I asked. Links to websites are great and all, but if they don't reference comic books, they are just the OPINION of the person who edited the page on the website
Superman The thing is these websites aren't opinions (most at least) a lot of them are referencing and taking their information from comics and just explaining it without making you read the whole comic. I'm doing my best to find which comics the sources were taken from, so here you go. Flash v2, #220. Superman v3, #13. Action Comics v1, #273. Superman v1 #5. Superman v1 #38. JLA v1 #77. Superman: World of New Krypton v1 #3 Here are just a few references to his Speed, Strength, Intelligence, Power, & Combat skills.
Thor Since both your argument and evidence is so pathetic, Ill give you a pass because I truly believe you are hopeless. I will first give my evidence and then continue to debunk pretty much every statement you typed. I'm telling y'all. Its too easy with you fanboys
Thor@TheTrueSuperman: I suggest you take notes because this is how it is done. Evidence for Debunk #1: - What I said: "Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver" > Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34 - What I said: "Quicksilver can run at light speed" > Evidence: Son of M #5 - What I said: "has claimed to have fought foes faster than him" > Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34 - What I said: "Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that" > Evidence: Thor #185 - What I said: "He can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light" >Evidence: Thor #140 and Thor #274 - What I Said: "swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half" > Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #102 - What I Said: "Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air" > Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #107 - What I Said: "change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought" > Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #120 - What I Said: "the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space" > Evidence: Thor #393 - What I Said: "Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds" > Evidence: Fantastic Four #339 and Thor #166 - What I Said: "Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes)" > Evidence: Invaders #33 and Avengers #281 - What I Said: "Thor has microsecond reaction time" > Evidence: Thor #382 - What I Said: "Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System" > Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #85 - What I Said: "allow him to track objects traveling faster than light" > Evidence: Thor #337 - What I Said: "and hear cries from the other side of the planet" > Evidence: Thor #341-343
Thor About the Mach 24k. That's movie form lmao. If you read some comics you would know how fast Thor is. Superman is not faster than Silver Surfer, of course you probably know that. Thor has caught up to Silver Surfer and beat him down as well. So you're wrong about his speed. Thor has even gone faster than Ego. Thor has gone as fast as 4x speed of light before! And about intelligence... well you're very very wrong about that lmao. Unless if your a complete fanboy, then you would know Thor is smarter in both combat and just knowledge in general. Thor has way more experience than Superman too, which actually does give him an edge... even though Thor's already had the edge... Magic, absorption, and when thor awakens warrior madness, strength too ;) P.S Superman IS weak against MAGIC! Its as if Thor is Tailored and made to defeat Superman lol.
Superman Thanks, @JuggarNot, it is pretty funny. It seems @SirSpidey doesn't see it that way though. It seems his only true argument is calling me a Superman fanboy. He is arguing against Marvel's own facts themselves (not MCU, but actual Marvel Comics) to make Thor seem more powerful. Thor is very powerful, I am not denying that. I do believe in some cases he can beat Superman, but just on a regular day Supe's wins. Also SirSpidey, your arrogance amuses me. Your little "I suggest you take notes because this is how it is done," line makes me laugh. You call me hopeless yet you seem so desperate to find ways Thor might even have a chance that you literally put "and hear cries from the other side of the planet" for one of Thor's best feats. Superman does that every day just to make sure Lois is ok.
Superman Also, @ThunderFlameOdinson welcome to this debate. Glad to have you. So I did read your comment and am going to say false, the Thor facts I stated were not MCU. They were from the official Marvel Comics website, not the Marvel Studios website. I also researched more into his speed, also taking into account some of SirSpidey's evidence. What I found was that Thor does have an insanely fast reaction time, has taken down Quicksilver, and has gone faster than the speed of light by about x3-4 (while being in space) like you guys were saying, yet it is never specifically stated. Thor took down Quicksilver which you said traveled at the speed of light which is false. Quicksilver eventually got to that speed, but in the issue you stated Mighty Avengers #34 when Thor does take him down, he is not yet able to travel at those speeds yet. Meaning he only took down a maybe slightly over the speed of sound Quicksilver making that feat useless in this battle. Looking more into his speed, he has shown to go faster than the speed of light, but his fastest speed shown is nothing compared to the calculated (thanks to The Imaginary Axis) top speed Superman has ever shown which is-- 273,750,000,000x the speed of light.
Superman Now for intelligence, I am not saying Superman is smarter because I am a fanboy, but neither of you two have shown factual evidence showing Thor use his smarts like I did for Supes. I also researched for both of them, and while Thor is smart especially from his many years of life, Superman has just shown to use his smarts in situations way more often than Thor. Also look at the stats on this website for each character, of which the people voted on. Thor's intelligence is significantly lower than Clarks. You can't just shrug that off and say "Oh, all those 450 people who entered stats in for those characters don't know anything." Everything leans toward Superman when it comes to speed and intelligence. Then there is strength. Superman has shown many more feats than Thor involving strength, and I showed amazing feats for both heroes, but Superman has more and greater ones than Thor. SirSpidey didn't even show an argument or reference a comic where Thor did a better feat than that of which I stated for him. Then also again with the stats people voted on-- Supermans strength is higher. Again Thor stomps it in combat, but everything else just points to Superman. Also, many of your references SirSpidey just explain how Mjolnir is really fast and powerful when thrown, which is true. But Superman doesn't need to be thrown to travel faster than "several times the speed of light." Then there is the big one where actual Marvel and Dc creators sat down and talked about who would win a fight, and Superman won.
Superman Which I highly respect. I try to stand up for my heroes too when I feel like they are being underestimated. What I don't like about SirSpidey's approach is that he isn't trying to make his hero look better, or even your hero worse. He just tells everyone that you as a person must be an un-credible, illogical, dumb, fanboy just because you believe someone other than Thor wins every fight. I think that is a person who doesn't want to have a fun debate (which is the reason for this website), that is the type of person who just wants to get in a fight. Legit I don't give a crap whether you think Superman or Thor wins, I just l
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
2: how is Thor's strength limitless?
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
I am listening. Carry on
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Yes but then you said "his only advantage is the godblast"
"Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts."
Didn't I just debunk that?
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Uh, okay :D
Wow what an absurd thing to believe
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Aka, not in this battle.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
THOR GIVE FIGHT BACK BUT SUPERMAN BEAT HIM AND LEFT THE HAMMER
Thor is a faster fighter, more durable, way better combatant, and has magic (even though it only effects him as much as a normal human). Superman is faster, stronger and smarter though, but Thor wins.
1. The crossover isn't canon.
2. Odin got rid of the enchantment then.
3. Superman is a worthy hero, but not the same worthy that is required to lift Mjolnir. He isn't a warrior and he doesn't rush into battle with the thought of killing at the back of his head. It only appears when he absolutely needs to.
Durability= maybe thor is a little more durable but under a yellow sun superman is much more durable
Strength= Superman outclasses Thor in punching and lifting strength
Speed= I guess I don't have to speak about this ( Bifrost is different than speed, ut is used to move between realms or planets or galaxies, it is not counted as battle speed) superman can react in an attosecond and think faster, thor is slower than wolverine
Intelligence= Isn't clearly the field of thor, he has a hammer he uses it, that's it he doesn't think. Unlike superman who is very strategical and due to his powers he can analyze and come up with a new plan to defeat his foes
The only chance for thor here is to use superman's non killing rule against him which superman can ignore it if he gets mad enough due to killing someone he loves or if he feels there isn't other way to save the people.
Thor would be long gone in a fee seconds if supes lets go
He is much faster than Wolvie
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
B: he wasn't expecting it.
B: Thor was holding back
C: Wolverine has tagged Speed Demon and contented with The Hulk on multiple occasions.
1 the crossovers are not canon
2 this is not thor mcu
Over all sups wins.
(Medium fight)
Strength - Roughly equal
Speed - Superman
Durability - Superman
Power - Thor
Combat - Thor
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Keep in mind I'm only counting Post-Crisis version of Superman, which would beat Thor 7-7.5/10 times, if I used Pre-Crisis, it would be a total stomp in Superman's favour, where not even Odin would be able to help him much.
Intelligence - Thor (way older)
Speed - Superman all the way
Strength - I don't know really
Durability- Thor (survived a beating from three celestial)
Power -Thor
Combat- Thor
Sups is stronger than Thor
By Like 3 times,
Sups max strength is
4 times the mass of the earth,
So he can lift 4 earths max,
I believe Thor wouldn't even get 1 earth,
Thor could probably get 75% of the earth lifted but not a full 100%.
but they are almost equal in strength asgardians are stronger then kryptonians
superman maybe faster but not much faster
they are ALMOST equal in durability and power there is just i a bit more durable and powerfull
in combat thor easily stomps
overall this will be a hard battle wich thor wins and will not take 30 seconds
thor fought 4 days whitout giving up
New 52 - Thor
Post-Crisis - Thor
Pre-Crisis - Superman
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Without Mjolnir - Superman barely wins
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Chances of Winning
Superman 54%
Thor 46%
Thor has magic to call lightening but the lightening is not magical like Shazam, and even at that Superman has still won those fights..
This being rebirth Supes is a very powerful version
Superman uses a super scram and destroys True Darjseid who is at least multiversal
Death of the new gods
Superman cuts soul fire darkseid in half . a being who scares the source. A outerversal being
2. By Post-Crisis, we mean Crisis on Infinite Earths. Just because they have "Crisis" in their name does not mean that it is the same thing
1. DC Wikia is not run by DC themselves, it is nothing more than a VSBW page, which we all know is incorrect sometimes. So don't act like this is the official DC web page
2. I'm sorry what? What are you trying to say? Because it's on a DC wikia it's canon? Please explain
And as for the comic, I'm not reading the whole thing. Give me a scan or at least the page number
Thor can track light speed opponents but Superman is much MUCH faster than light
Strength isn't even as close as you think .
Black Adam and Shazam's magic is much more powerful than Thor's Batman had prep and radion . Plus the Hellbat suit .
Superman won with pure poet
Show me the comic/scan of Thor facing Mangog and Thanos back to back
Thor blasting Galactus is (I believe) Non Canon it was in the 60's for crying out loud
Superman as I said destroyed Impetiex .
Had destroyed Green Lanterns constructs .
Survived Omega beams
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Red Sun and Magic are not his weaknesses . He is Vulnerable to it
Heck thor himself is vulnerable to magic .
Part 1
While Thor is a extremely powerful for he cannot defeat Superman
Saying any Kryptonian can become Superman is like saying any Asgardian could wield Mjolnir . Which is FALSE
Supes is faster and stronger than Thor .
Thor is not even close to the strongest being
Hulk , Hercules and Silver Surfer surpasses him
Cracking a celestials skull ha
Superman obliterated Imperiex
Superman has beaten Darkseid , Mongul and Parallax . All who equal (except Mongul) a Celestial in power
Thor and Superman are both able to be killed . Thor's "Immortality" is a form of Infinite Longevity .
Thor couldn't defeat the Sentry . A being weaker than Supes .
And block the sun really?
Superman can either absorb sunlight from the earth or just store his energy . Plus Superman can move the clouds
Thor and Superman are near equals but Superman takes the win
Thor would either stalemate or lose to the man of steel
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While I disagree with you and say that Thor is much faster than light, I got to give you credit for "Swinson"- it's hilarious ;)
He shattered Space and Time with a single blow againstc Kal-L
https://www.google.com/search?q=superman+%23649&client=ms-android-americamovil-us&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis6o3YvfXdAhVHoVMKHceNAHAQ_AUICigD&biw=320&bih=452#imgrc=wHY6HEPrJS-drM%3A
2. I'm sorry? "It just means he can be affected by it" You're acting like that doesn't affect him at all
3. Ever heard of a God Blast?
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He just did it again! - http://i.imgur.com/b7Cwf25.jpg
Oh, look... it's Superman moving some clouds... - http://i.imgur.com/n8xwbu5.jpg
Thor's some attacks has FTL speeds but So Superman has too.
Eventually Modern Age Thor w/o Odin-Force cant injure Superman heavily also he is gonna has problems to tag Superman.
Superman can evade, counter attack or just phase into Thor's attempts.
Superman -> faster, stronger, smarter.
Thor -> More experienced, more endured and has magic.
I'll go with the Supe
So after a hard fight, Thor wins due to his greater versatility, magic and experience to Superman 6/10 times.
Bench-pressed the Earth's weight for five days with no access to sunlight, also stated he could toss the moon out of orbit
Pushes Warworld into the Phantom Zone, right after being exposed with kryptonite
Casually carries a submarine
Carries a large spaceship into orbit while weakened
Catching an aircraft carrier with Wonder Woman
Stop the watchtower from falling back to Earth
Lifts a ship
Hits Wraith with a large ship
Thor - 30
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Thor Wins
And on second thought please don't call me @Mop
I thought @Mop would sound cooler but then I realized it was a cleaning utensil 😂
The Godblast has harmed galactus
(Even though this isn't canon) Darkseid has blasted galactus with the Omega Beams and they done absolutely nothing
If you find a battle btwn Shaman and Thor on this site you will get Thor as a Winner
Thor is much more powerful than Shazam he is a God...
Superman can only give him a tough fight but at last Thor Will win...
With that being said
@Infinitedestruction do you want to join the varosverse
Remember your with the cool kids 😎
Thor wins 6/10 or 7/10
Superman tanks the Big Bang and destroys an object that can withstand the Big Bang. (Yield: Low Universe Level)
www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/pc-superman-even-can-survival-big-bang-1456568/
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Mass of the Milky Way = 1.153359E42 kg.
Force of a galaxy = 1.153359E42 newtons
Force of a million galaxies = 1.153359E48 newtons
Distance that Superman was flung = 1.2 to 2.2 AU, as he was flung so far that he hit the asteroid belt from Earth.
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Precrisis/supermansupergirlvsblackstarr5.jpg.html
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No hard fellings
http://imgur.com/PnBvsUE.
He took magical attacks from beings more powerful than Thor, when exactly? The Eternity feat wasn't Infinite weight, as when Spectre fell, I believe it was Spectre, he did not destroy the Earth. This could've happened for two reasons that I can think of, one gravity doesn't affect Eternity the same as it does other things, or two Eternity's weight isn't Infinite, either way Superman did not lift Infinite weight. With the Infinite book you could say the exact same, as it was floating in the air, so you know gravity doesn't work the same on it.
Sirspider superman lasers do pierce beings like Thor and Thor is not as powerful as 3 celestial and stop being jerks to each other
But I still think Thor's more powerful, far stronger and almost as fast, Thor supported infinite weight, Superman has only done that due to misinterpretation of books, the infinite pages are not infinite because they take up a space, Eternity is a measure of time, no weight.
P.s do you want to debate some more I've done more research on the characters
If you find a way to debunk that I have no way of getting around I'll just simply change my vote i should give up
Physical damage at all.
How old are you ?
Thor is too much muscles that slow him in a fight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy
Lifted the Midgard Serpent.
Tagged Quicksilver.
KO'd the Phoenix Force.
Shattered planets.
Survived a planet busting bomb.
Endured 17 days of torture.
Destroyed a helicopter while depowered.
Defeated Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, & Hulk.
Escaped a Black Hole.
And btw, it's "says THERE are". Are you gonna explode or what?
First: Darkseid is a 5th-dimensional god, who Superman would never be able to fight his true form (All he fights is Darkseid's avatars)
Second: Thor is a god, and Superman isn't. That doesn't mean much though, as Superman has fought and beaten gods before.
Third: Superman is only slightly physically stronger, but Thor is much more powerful and has far more experience when it comes to fighting. (did you say Thor is stupid? He's extremely intelligent, he may as well be a genius for humans, he's had thousands of years to learn)
Fourth: Speed, Slowdinson isn't a thing. Thor is AT LEAST the speed of light, he tends not to use this speed unless he needs it.
Fifth: @CaptainAmericaTakesAll If you can actually come up with a good argument, and not be a hypocrite than I can discuss this with you.
Sixth: @SirSpidey I understand that you like Thor, but to me, you've proven to me you don't know very much about DC (And you don't seem to know too much about Thor either)
Final: Thor's combination of magic, strength, power, and skill would outmatch Superman (Unless it's on Earth, cause Thor ALWAYS holds back on Earth, in fact, Thor almost killed Hulk with one blow when he forgot to hold back)
Thor lost to Red Hulk and was burned badly even at his prime. Summoned a devastating bolt of lighting and even crashed at the speed of lightning into red hulk and barely bruised him. Also, without his hammer, he becomes very weak. Screw that film, the Hammer is still a weapon and a key to dimensions. The red hulk, hulk, vision, shazam, Loki, Angela, Sentry and even Ghostrider either took the hammer or used it against him.
There was even Avengers vs Justice League and Superman won against Thor.
But when one stoops to insults and downplaying others for their own gain, that is too far. We all make mistakes, and slip up sometimes, but if we cant forgive and forget then we are no better then those who we seek to have a civil debate with.
I think most of us have said something that we probably wish we hadn't, but its when we continue to act in such an disrespectful manner that one honestly looses credibility.
Thor vs superman
you said "Don't debate me unless you are prepared to reference comics as evidence for the things you say. My knowledge is mostly revolved around Thor and Captain America since they are the most interesting Superheros...." "reference comics as evidence" JLa vs avengers crossover..... Superman wins. DON"T YOU DARE SAY CROSSOVERS DON'T COUNT. THEY INDEED DO! IF BOTH SIDES CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS FACT EVEN IF WRITERS STRETCH SOMETHING IF IT IS PUBLISHED IT WILL INDEED BE CONSIDERED FACT!!!!! YOU ALSO SAID "Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely" IF YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT tell me what the time barrier is .....DON'T KNOW? well is 10 times the speed of light and super has done that and gone faster than that.... you are so bias about thor you cant see fact!!!!!!!!!!
Or trow him in black hole or sun
Strength: Superman/don't know much about Thot strength
Speed: Maybe equal
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Endurance: Thor
Brutality: Thor/warrior madness.
So winner is obviously Thor
Endurance: Superman
Speed: Superman
Durability: Superman
Strength: Superman
Combat: Thor
Thor only has one category, sorry but it's true. And I expect @SirSpidey to intervene.
Strength: Thor
Speed: Thor
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Endurance: Thor
Brutality: Thor
Versatility: Thor
Equipment: Thor
Experience: Thor
Strategic Mindset: Thor
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And so on
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- What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor pushing the weight of the Universe is fact"
> Evidence: Thor Volume 1 #494
- What I Said: "I have already proved that Thor running at the speed of light is fact"
> Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
- First off, Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver (Quicksilver can run at light speed) and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that. Thor can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half. Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air and change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought. Not only that, but the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space. So, in the "eyes" of Mjolnir, time has no meaning and is stopped completely. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds. Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes). Thor has microsecond reaction time. Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hear cries from the other side of the planet. So, Im pretty sure Thor could keep up with Superman very easily. Also the Marvel/DC crossovers are not canon. Plus the winners of the battles in those comics were dictated by who had more votes
And as for all of your information, i would like to inquire to something my associate @CaptainAmericaTakesAll, could you please specify when Thor "Moved the Universe" ? I'm personally just curious.
I claim a moral victory.
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Evidence: The Mighty Avengers #34, Thor #393, Thor #337, Thor #166, Fantastic Four #339, and Journey Into Mystery #102
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Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #111, Journey Into Mystery #95, Thor: God of Thunder #20
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*Note - For your evidence, please don't give me websites or speculations. Websites are not reliable sources. Only give me comics. Also, You cannot use Golden Age or Silver Age feats of Superman. Those Are not canon feats. DC fans can only use New 52 feats because that is DC's new canonical timeline
Also, it is name calling because you are giving me a title/name, which is absolutely childish... are you too arrogant and dumb to realize this? For someone who knows a lot about Comics, you sure don't know a lot about other things like Common friggin' Sense. You are biased in every fight against Thor for how much you like him and for some reason, you seem to have a bias against Superman based off of many fights you have voted on. You also make fun of my debating yet you can't seem to actually structure a real argument. Listing evidence is a good start though. But don't worry, maybe someday when you are older you just might reach close to my level. You have shown that you wanted an argument when all I asked for was a debate, so here is what you asked for.
Comment #1: There is an end to this debate......whenever someone wins. Lol, Everyone has a brain in this world, I don't get your point in that statement :). What your saying is that websites, created with the opinions of some random people, are a better source of evidence than actual comics written by the characters creator? Very smart and logical @TheTrueSuperman. Some advice, saying it is one thing, but actually doing the things you say is completely different. Take as much time as I did and find some feats of Superman that are better. The only reason you are saying this debate would never end is to cover up the fact that you have not opened up one comic so you are trying to hurry up and end the debate before you have to provide us with some factual evidence. Your arguments are illogical and pathetic. For some weird reason you think you are winning in this debate but yet, you have only given me some opinion based websites, 6 non-canon comics, and only 1 canon comic. I have given you a whole 128 canon comics for evidence of my feats for Thor. Your going to have to do a lot better than that to beat me. Again, as I have said before, I am not a fanboy if I use facts. I have yet to see one Superman fanboy, including you, debunk my factual evidence and feats, with factual evidence and feats. Its pitiful, you Superman fanboys
Comment #2: If you could actually effectively use your brain, you would know that political correctness came into play with @LordTracer's comment for why I say, "fanboy" instead of saying, "You are biased towards this character." For your next idiotic point, what you are saying is that you are offended by people calling you by your name? Well thats extremely logical. Don't talk to me about common sense whenever you say things like, "It is name calling because you are giving me a title/name." Boi, doesn't common sense dictate that your very own name is a "title/name." As I have stated before, I only use canonical factual evidence and logic for my reason for someone winning. Again, I want to know what you think my argument is. Also, I'm curious, what is your level? Lastly, common sense also dictates that in a debate, there are arguments, you dim wit
Comment #3: Says the one who gets offended by me, like a girl, calling him a fanboy. What else would you rather me call you other than what you are? First off, I want to get some things straight. This whole me "calling you names" (Boo-Hoo, we feel so sorry for you) all started when you came into @JuggarNot and I's discussion saying, quote on quote, "Sir Spidey... do you actually believe Thor can beat Superman, Silver Surfer, and Martian Manhunter at the same time? No offense, but I think you are too much of a Thor fanboy. I haven't seen you vote against Thor on any fight, even fights (like this one) that he obviously loses." So don't come at me saying that since I called you some names (Geez, this whole name calling thing is like I'm talking to 5 year old), it makes me look like a loser and makes what should be a friendly debate into just a flat-out argument that doesn't even regard the point of this website. News flash, your calling yourself a loser. Your the one who wanted to start an argument. Here is the link to the battle in which you said that if you want, https://www.superherodb.com/battle/thor-vs-team-superman/45-21809/. When did I ever say that my arguments are well structured? My god, how stupid can you get? If you weren't 5 years old, you could actually conceptualize what I'm trying to do. ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT I PROVIDED (all the comic books that I referenced), ARE ALL EVIDENCE TO WHAT I WAS SAYING TO @wolfdragon123 ALMOST ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE COMMENTS SECTION. Its actually quite simple. As for your idiotic time statement, if it isn't a big deal to you, why even ask what time it is? Your logic is excruciatingly painful to deal with. Again, the only reason a debate can exist is if you have a well thought out and logical argument, of which you do not have
Just scroll down a bit, you'll see the scan of Superman moving at half an instant. And for the third time, Superman can attack Thor while he is winding up Mjolnir. And a Red Sun is in the Prime Earth DC universe, not the 616 Mavel Universe. So Thor would not find it during his explorations.
Okay, so here's why I think Thor would win (I don't have comic evidence, so sorry). First of all, Mjolnir. Mjolnir is very strong. I mean, it's an enchanted hammer that only the worthy can lift. I know Superman has lifted the hammer in that crossover, but that was once, while he probably won't be able to do it again. Next, Thor has his lightning, which could be magic, but I'm not sure (SirSpidey, if you know this one, then please confirm or die). So IF Thor has magic, then Superman has a big disadvantage. As for Superman's stats: Intelligence, Strength, Speed, Durability, Power, and Combat, some are pretty even, which I will get to on my next comment (because I don't know how long it will be and I don't want this comment to be to long).
The battles that were decided by fans are these:
- Superman v. Hulk
- Spider-Man v. Superboy
- Batman v. Captain America
- Wolverine v. Lobo
- Storm v. Wonder Woman
All others were decided by the writers.
Why I believe Superman would beat Thor.
1. He IS faster. It is said on the official Marvel Comic's website --Marvel.com-- that Thor is able to travel at speeds a little over Mach 32 or 24,000MPH. Superman's top speed has never been calculated or seen but his fastest speed shown UNDER Earth's atmosphere was 7,200,000MPH which is Mach 9,350. It is also been said that Superman can travel far beyond the speed of light in the vacuum of space. Also it has been told that Superman can travel faster under Earth's atmosphere than previously stated, but he doesn't due to the damage it would cause.
2. Superman IS smarter, or at least uses his smarts in a much more efficient way. Thor is a highly intelligent being but has never shown impressive instances of intelligence. He has shown that he has a high intelligence in terms of strategy and street smarts, but there is a lack in the book smarts area. Superman is known to have "Super Intelligence" which is due to his braining also absorbing solar radiation constantly, in results to this he is able to remember/retain EVERY bit of knowledge he has learned. Superman learns many things due to his Earthly job, Heroic duties, Galaxy travels, and in some cases he has learned many things from Jor-El in his Fortress of Solitude. Superman has also shown high intelligence in the cases where he has beaten Mr. Mxyzptlk.
4. Superman is flat out more powerful. Thor is known for being a powerhouse, which he is. His God Blast is so powerful that Galactus has even said that it could kill him. Superman has a solar flare which is immensely powerful (but not even close to the God Blast). So why does Superman take this category? Well Superman (even though this is cheesy and flat out dumb) has sneezed so hard it destroyed a whole solar system, it's dumb but it happened. Thor's lightning I believe to be more powerful than Superman's heat vision, but then Superman also has his freeze breath which he frequently uses.
5. Combat: Thor takes it easy. Superman has learned boxing and some brawling tactics, but compared to Thor that is nothing.
Overall, Superman wins due to his greater speed, strength, overall power, and ability to use his smarts in a more significant way. It is also shown in a JLA+Avengers crossover that Superman and Thor fought and after a long well fought battle from each of them, Superman came out victorious. This is not as well put together as the original comment I had wrote, but I am not taking the time to re-write all of that again. So this I think is a good sized summary for the most part. Also here are some sources for information.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/80312/how-do-we-know-the-flash-is-faster-than-superman
http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3784825
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8o3UJ_n9--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18ffkaj960gqqjpg.jpg
https://kotaku.com/superman-s-new-power-makes-him-a-little-less-super-a-l-1683782553
@JuggarNot
https://www.superherodb.com/battle/superman-and-thor-vs-spectre/45-21865/
Flash v2, #220.
Superman v3, #13.
Action Comics v1, #273.
Superman v1 #5.
Superman v1 #38.
JLA v1 #77.
Superman: World of New Krypton v1 #3
Here are just a few references to his Speed, Strength, Intelligence, Power, & Combat skills.
Evidence for Debunk #1:
- What I said: "Thor has struck down a speeding Quicksilver"
> Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
- What I said: "Quicksilver can run at light speed"
> Evidence: Son of M #5
- What I said: "has claimed to have fought foes faster than him"
> Evidence: Mighty Avengers #34
- What I said: "Thor has been clocked flying at three times the speed of light and is capable of achieving speeds far greater than that"
> Evidence: Thor #185
- What I said: "He can throw Mjolnir at several times the speed of light"
>Evidence: Thor #140 and Thor #274
- What I Said: "swing Mjolnir at several times the speed of light while his strength was reduced in half"
> Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #102
- What I Said: "Mjolnir can also perform complicated maneuvers in the air"
> Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #107
- What I Said: "change course in mid-flight at the speed of thought"
> Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #120
- What I Said: "the speed of Thor's hammer transcends both time & space"
> Evidence: Thor #393
- What I Said: "Thor can appear anywhere across the universe or other dimensions in just seconds"
> Evidence: Fantastic Four #339 and Thor #166
- What I Said: "Thor can visually detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire and when he saw the speeding god Hermes)"
> Evidence: Invaders #33 and Avengers #281
- What I Said: "Thor has microsecond reaction time"
> Evidence: Thor #382
- What I Said: "Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System"
> Evidence: Journey Into Mystery #85
- What I Said: "allow him to track objects traveling faster than light"
> Evidence: Thor #337
- What I Said: "and hear cries from the other side of the planet"
> Evidence: Thor #341-343
And about intelligence... well you're very very wrong about that lmao. Unless if your a complete fanboy, then you would know Thor is smarter in both combat and just knowledge in general. Thor has way more experience than Superman too, which actually does give him an edge... even though Thor's already had the edge... Magic, absorption, and when thor awakens warrior madness, strength too ;) P.S Superman IS weak against MAGIC! Its as if Thor is Tailored and made to defeat Superman lol.