Thor I think Thor has the upper hand in this match cuz his mjolnir throw was so painful that even galactus admitted that was his first time his limbs felt pain in a millennium. So imagine what this can do to supes if Thor let's loose n goes psycho.
Superman Only JLA/Avengers is. Not the other one. Proof?
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
Superman Ok, this is the last time i’m going to say this. THE FIRST crossover was fanvoted, “DC vs Marvel.” The SECOND crossover was NOT fanvoted and is canon. So no, the first crossover shouldn’t be used as main points of evidence. The second crossover is fair game.
Superman@ThorMathews superman is one of the most worthy character in DC, saying that lifting Mjolnir was because Odin let him, it’s seems the rules of lifting Mjolnir changed
Thor@DrOccult Superman is not worthy. Being worthy doesn't mean being a great guy otherwise CA would be able to lift it, not Thor. Being worthy is selective but as Odin cast the spell its who's worthy in his eyes which means being a noble warrior as well as being able to rule Asgard. This is why Beta Ray Bill can.
Thor Yes, easily god blast can kill him and he also have spirit of thunder which has hurted mikaboshi(multiversal threat) in chaos war timeline and that can easily kill superman
Thor Prove that he can.
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
Thor Al principio puede haber una muy interesante intercambio de golpes, dado que tienen una resistencia y fuerza parecidas (pienso que Thor más), empezarían a usar otros ataques como el clima, Thor sus truenos y Superman su visión de calor (el calor no afecta a Thor a ninguna temperatura), y por último podrían empezar con los ataques mas fuertes. No tengo claro si Superman sobreviviría al God Blast con el que Thor logró dañar a Galactus hambriento, pero superman no tiene ninguna habilidad más para dañar a Thor. Y en el caso de que quedaran dudas Thor puede usar magia y acabar con el. En todos los términos físicos son parecidos, pero el uso de la magia unido a que Superman necesita radiación de un sol amarillo constante para tener fuerza creo que decantan la balanza, y esto sin entrar en que Thor, con el Mjolnir, puede hacer cosas como absorber energía cósmica ilimitada, transmutar la materia ...
Superman My bad. I change vote Superman. I know Superman absorb the sun if increase strength and speed. Thor's Mjölnir hitting superman hurt, then Superman try dodge without blocking. This right, Superman wins.
Superman I see Thor vs Phoenix? There Thor carry item absorb fire. Phoenix will drain then she will be egg. ok... I change vote thor wins if I find battle Thor vs Phoenix.
Thor Thor's magic gives him the biggest advantage in this fight. Superman's other weaknesses like kryptonite and red sun can also be used to Thor's advantage.
Superman@windshadow Superman has faster combat speed than zoom which was shown @Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
Thor That was while he was sundipped and you say that as if Thor doesn't have higher-end speed feats either. Superman WAS dying before that and he gained his power back the moment after he sundipped in the first one. The scan literally states he needs more power in order for what would happen next so he flies through a couple of other suns.
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
Thor I love Superman allot more then Thor but Thor win s cause of his magic and he's a better fighter, and they are approximately on the same level with strength and durablity
Superman It isn't simple because sometimes the comics say it's his weakness, while other times the comics and writers say it's just a vulnerability. It's complicated.
Thor He's vulnerable to it, not weak to it. Like he is invulnerable to bullets, but not invulnerable to magic. Magic doesn't weaken him like kryptonite, it just can harm him like bullets can't
Thor The definition of the word 'weakness' is, "the quality or state of being weak." The definition of the word 'weak' is, "not able to resist external force or withstand attack." The definition of the word 'vulnerability' is, "the quality or state of being exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally." They literally mean the same exact thing. So, @Mr_Incognito, please explain to me how I am assuming the conclusion that fits my narrative better.
Thor Why do Superman defenders always try to downplay the magic weakness as much as possible?
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Superman@SirSpidey A weakness is something that weakens you. Kryptonite is Superman's weakness because it takes away his powers and weakens him. A vulnerability is something you can be harmed by. Batman is vulnerable to being punched, but I think it would be foolish to say that just because his opponent can punch him means they win.
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Not only did @Tyrannus debunk you using the very comics themselves, not some external input that a writer made, but also, Kurt Busiek never said anything about magic not being a weakness to Superman. In fact, he said the exact opposite. He said that Superman is vulnerable to magic, and as I proved above, the word weakness and vulnerability mean the exact same thing. He was just saying that just because Mjolnir has magical enchantments, that does not mean it would go right through Superman. The only reason Mjolnir would go through Superman is due to the force at which Thor threw Mjolnir, not because of its enchantments. But that in of itself is not correct, which is said to say about a writer who has done work on Thor. Mjolnir is literally stated in the comics to be made out of Uru, THE MAGIC MINERAL. So if we go by what Busiek said, Mjolnir realistically should go right through Superman. But those aren't my words, those are the words of Busiek, a writer you seem to have high regards for.
Thor@Mr_Incognito I did say its not like magic's mere presence is enough to kill Superman but Thor is the god of thunder. If anyone's magic is powerful to have an effect it's Thor. Again no one said Thor or mjolnir will just melt through Superman either but it's a major hindrance in the fight. That's probably what those tweets were in reply to. You can still be vulnerable to a weakness.
Superman Most people are just like "He's got a big hammer!" "Magic!" Hammer + Magic = Thor Wins! No. Not only has Superman already beaten Thor canonically, but his speed is too much. Plus he's smarter, stronger, and tougher. Also a lot of people are just voting Thor bc of MCU.
Thor Crossovers generally aren't canon. Even if you assume so, that isn't a direct confirmation that Superman wins. As for strength and durability... they're too close to call so it wouldn't be a definitive advantage for Superman. Thor is also pretty intelligent and would have the experience and hax advantages so again, it's a close fight.
Superman Superman is stronger and tougher. By how much i'm sure we could debate for a week. The main thing that gives Superman the win is his genius level super brain that can react in a femtosecond and his overwhelming speed.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Lmao. What feats does Superman have that prove he is stronger than Thor? Also explain how being stronger would win Superman a victory over Thor. And give me examples of Superman being tougher than Thor. In which comic did Superman react within a femtosecond? I'm pretty sure that isn't canon anymore. And Thor can fight at picosecond speeds, so I'm pretty sure Thor is much faster than Superman, the canon version that is. Lastly, this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. So just keep that in mind if you decide to continue this debate with me.
Superman Oh great, look who it is. I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor. Are you seriously asking me how superior strength would give Superman the win when you yourself have said that Thor wins because of superior strength?
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Why is it always laughable when the vote isn't your way but when Superman starts taking the lead you don't say anything? This is a very close fight regardless of where you stand. Saying anyone stomps is probably biased.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
Superman It isn't always laughable, don't make sweeping generalizations. It's because in my opinion, Superman would clearly take the majority. I don't think anyone stomps here, but I don't agree with a lot of people's reasoning here. The MCU is way more popular than the DCEU, just saying. No need for an argument, that was simply my opinion.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: I'll change my mind if you have a good enough argument. But usually, I am almost always right, as no one does as much research on a single character as I do. You chose to criticize me and completely disregard my inquiries. So, if you would like to stay on topic, and not veer off into a completely different topic, that would be amazing.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
Superman You deserve the criticism. I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
Thor I mean, if what you provide is not canon, or doesn't prove your claim, or is PIS or WIS, among a lot of other things, yes, I am for sure going to dismiss your claims. But if your claim is argued well, I am more than welcome to change my mind. But it is all the same with you Superman nerds: the character you chose to defend has insufficient feats to prove that they would defeat Thor in a fight to the death, so instead, y'all choose to extrapolate evidence to fit your own twisted narrative, which is dishonest.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Superman They are ridiculous claims. I have no idea how you don't see that it's ridiculous to think that base Thor beats the ENTIRE justice league on his own, many of which are just as powerful as he is. Oh and the anti-monitor, who the spectre (who you've admitted yourself beats Thor) had to have help to take on. This is delusion. Plain and simple. And as a side note, you aren't the one who decides what's canon and what isn't or what supports what position. That is simply your opinion, unless you have actual proof of such claims. You aren't a fact machine.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Thor@Mr_incognito Its just that whenever Superman has the lead no one really complains but when Thor does, his fans start saying its laughable or its bots etc.
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
Thor@SirSpidey You are no OG of this site; you're just a bad influence here. If there's one thing @Incognito was 100% right about, it was you should've been kicked off this site a long time ago, especially after how you act to everyone, including @Galactus.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: The 4 years badge says differently, child. And as I told Incognito, if you can't stand my presence, leave. Don't obsess over me. Geez. It's like tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum out here.
Thor@windshadow: I assume you are speaking to me, but I honestly just gave up because I accidentally erased my entire response and got mad. I was new to ComicVine and didn't know how to do things on it and how it worked. I didn't really like the format.
Thor@SirSpidey I am a 23-year-old, full-time employed, registered-to-vote, licensed-to-drive, 6'3" and 200 lb. grown man, you cretinous, inattentive, vexatious, egocentric, derogatory, prejudiced waste of life, reality, time and space! Stop assuming how old people are and acting like you're the only man here.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Thor Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life.
Superman@SirSpidey Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Superman@SirSpidey
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
Superman Allow me to tell you a little story. Being a superhero fan, I sometimes get curious about two heroes going against each other. I think it's fun. So I decided to look up a battle between Thor and another character and I found the link to this site. One of the first comments I come across has some kid calling his opponents fanboys and insulting them left and right. Whatever, freedom of speech. I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league, and what do I see? The same kid being super toxic and making ridiculous assertions. And a lot of his opponents were just sitting there and taking it. I ended up clicking on his profile and looking through his comments, and there were pages upon pages of these kinds of angry and narcissistic comments. They actually made me frustrated just reading them because of how badly they were written and how annoying the person was. This person was you. After reading so much of this stuff, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, I was fed up and wanted to give my two cents, and thus I made an account. So no, i'm not some dude in his parent's basement scrutinizing every detail about you. I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
Superman Excuse me @HolyJoe but I've told you already I don't go off of spideys dumb logic and reasoning, don't assume I even talk to him I haven't in months, the people who persuaded me on rkt scaling are Lucifer and Hyku, I didn't even remotely say any scaling close to spideys
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: Thanks for admitting to everyone that you have no evidence to suggest that you are a 23 year old, full time employed, registered to vote, licensed to drive, 6'3" and 200 lbs grown man.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
Thor Sarcasm? You didn't even say anything, imbecile. That is why I said that.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
Thor Well, I don't care what you are trying to say. I care what you actually say. Say what you mean and mean what you say. "What the hell do you mean "safe space?"" A safe place is a place where snowflakes go to escape from reality so that they don't melt under the pressure of the real world. It is a place where snowflakes can go and get some coloring books so that they can cope with their stress. "I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you." Again, that accomplishes nothing. We need to create a dialogue in which both sides have input and both side take that input into account and work out their problems. What you are doing is completely idiotic and close minded. "I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point." And what point is that? "Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty." Good. Know your place, little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Thor Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past? You already admitted that my opponents were the ones who started the insulting first. So if you want me off the site, I guess that means you and everyone else on this website, which is probably half the active community, would have to get kicked as well. Is that really what you want? You are thinking like a child. If you don't like me insulting others, than maybe this website isn't for you, as that is what a lot of people like to do on this website. If it was up to me, no one would be cussing at no one. But everyone just likes to mess with the bull, so they suffer the consequences. "Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space." You see, that is the thing. You could have just ignored what I had to say, but instead, you chose to act out as a child and keep reading my debates to the point that you let them trigger you. That isn't my fault. That is all on you. Personally, I want people to read my debates, so that they can be informed of what the comics have to say and dictate. But if you can't just read the arguments I am making and get over the fact that I insulted my opponents, then just don't read them. Stay ignorant and childish. "No, I'm not gonna step down." Oh, you will. Just wait. "Nobody cares about your opinion either." Is that why I am the subject of so many discussions? Is that why I've had the privilege of getting to edit a work in progress Thor? Don't make claims that you can't back up. "Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims." When did I say that? "Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status." No one just calls out someone for insulting others when they first insulted him. There is an underlying reason you called me out. You want that fame. You want that notoriety. I'm happy to appease. And when that day finally comes, you'll be telling your girl back home that it is red panty night. You'll be saying, "Baby, we done it. We're famous, baby. SirSpidey made us famous. Bring out the red panties. We're famous, baby." "I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you." Says the one who "researches" me and the one whose only reason they made an account was to call me out. "After all, you're the one who responded to me." Yeah, because I was looking for an argument. Not sure how that means I am obsessed with you, but okay.
Thor "I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league...." How would you know of this battle if you are brand new to the website, and I'm assuming haven't even made an account yet? You are sounding like you are an alternate account. Especially when that battle is extremely hard to find. There was only one way in which I could view that battle and it was by editing the preexisting Justice League vs Avengers battle, of which I don't even think I can do anymore. Fishy, to say the least. As for your story, that is just you seeing things out of context and you being childish. "I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions." Well, running from the argument wasn't going to allow you to voice your opinions.
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
Thor "Dude, why in hell's name do you want proof? What does he have to gain about lying about his age?" So that I can know that he made unsubstantiated claims and in turn, gets exposed for being a lying rat.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
Superman@SirSpidey Your last 5 comments are not about debating. If you keep doing this, I will have to delete them.I warn you in advance because your comments are longer than my university Thesis and I did not want your efforts to be wasted.
Thor@SirSpidey No, none of them are about debating. Thanks for showing us that you lack both the intellect and creativity to use some other insult other than "you little b***h", you boring stale SOB. And I'm actually glad you found my words very kind, because I have plenty more where that came from, so ask and you shall receive, you little desperate b****h.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
Thor I know, right? These guys get all riled up whenever they see someone with unconventional knowledge and thinking. Like, chill. Just because I know more than you, doesn't mean you have to get mad.
Superman He's mainly talking about you dude, hate to tell you. Unconventional is not a synonym for deluded. Prove that you know more than me or @Joe. Don't tell anyone else to chill when you're the one who needs to chill the most. Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's unconventional.
Thor@SirSpidey Good God! You are still replying? Do you have some sort of hateboner or natural obsession with us? Seriously, stffu! You know absolutely zilch about comics, you know that? My ass you "know more than" us. You're just a stupid, dumb, f***ing Thor fanboy who can't even prove how arguably the most powerful version of some character is "omnipotent" and above TOAA. You are literally just as much of a cancerous fanboy as @soratoumiga was with all the Scarlet Witch w*nk, and if anyone "doesn't have a life" here it's you. Stop replying to everything and find something better to do, you goddamn child.
Superman Stop discouraging other people. You guys literally wasted about 3/4 of paragraphs (They are getting deleted potentially. No more discouraging, threats, or socialism bs.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Thor Thor was able to keep up with silver surfer and surfer is equal or faster than superman so there's that also Superman's weakness is magic so Thor takes it
Superman Until surfer can move 1.85 sexdecillion times light speed, he isn't as fast as Superman. The only speed argument Thor fans ever use is silver surfer. It's pretty telling.
Thor That feat might not even be valid due to the time hax that Zillo Valla used along with how questionable the feat is by itself. Also, Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.
Superman Silver Surfer didn't outfly the destruction of multiverse. He tried to travel back in time because there was no future (he can travel time due to speed). And before he even succeeded, another Dawn Greenwood told current Dawn that they should escape to the outside and they did.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
Superman The feat has been calculated numerous times by many different sources and all have come to the same conclusion. In just my opinion, Superman is faster.
Superman I'm not "pulling a number out" Clint. I showed plenty of evidence as to how that conclusion was reached. Superman is shown to be consistently faster.
Thor Not really true. SS is very much known for his speed and it takes a lot to keep up with him. To say Superman's more consistently faster is unfair on SS
Thor@Mr_Incognito Plenty of sources can calculate it. It's not the math they're messing up... it's just that they're really forgetting to look back into what even happened.
Superman@Mr.Incoginto: I am literally not attacking the math or the calc. My point is any measurable speed feat, any feat that's possible to calculate pales in comparison to Thor's speed feats. Thor can travel to higher dimensions, travel through time and travel infinite distance within finite amount of time. @Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
Thor He did outfly the destruction but at that point, he was moving so fast he was starting to travel back in time. As for infinite universes collapsing, infinity minus two would still be infinity.
Superman He outflied it due to time travel.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Superman "A single panel"
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
Superman The realms being infinite in size was mere speculation. Also, Thor has been blitzed by slower opponents, so him scaling to Surfer in speed is questionable.
Superman Dismissing an evidence when there is nothing contradicting they are infinite? Nice one.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.
Thor@Clint_Barton I have, so what you're saying is Surfer and Dawn only outpaced the shockwave of the incursion of both universes? It's actually pretty likely after reading the comics again but I'll look into it since it keeps saying they outsurfed the literal end of EVERYTHING (which could be seen in two ways).
Wolverine. I know that people call this pis but wanted to mention it anyways. Marvel Editor Tom brevoort admits Thor is slower in reflexes than wolverine.
He also says Thor is not a speedster.
Fails a speed test that Captain America did with ease.
Thor@MrIncogito: is there anything in the universe that can get through your thick head because my debunks can't?
1: that's because he's holding back. Prove Matt can do that again without Thor underestimating him. All that ever showed was Matt dodging one attack so why's it such and anti feat again?
2: nice try to only cherry pick two scans. Thor was keeping up and even forced him to flee once he showed him his true godly speed. Mongoose didn't blitz Thor, he didn't even win the fight. Mongoose couldn't even land a hit while Thor landed multiple hit! That second fight Mongoose only hit him because he dunked a bunch of poison gas on him and hit him while he was suffocating and weakened. Already proven that run is inconsistent.
3: Erik is not Odinson, that's also from the same comic where Peter beat Firelord so if you want to count that you also have to use that aswell.
4: he didn't admit he was faster and he wasn't even going all out.
5/6: why is an editor who's never written for the character relevant?
7: Erik is not Odinson. Comparing Erik to Odinson is like comparing a firecracker to the Big Bang.
I've already told you all this on your profile page, not sure why you're in denial?
Superman God, Thor fans are the worst.
Your "debunks" are poor and non-convincing, that's why I'm still using scans.
It's not a matter of denial. Just because you say you've debunked something doesn't mean you have.
Thor How so?
Don't call it poor and non convincing if you can't contest it!
Prove that I didn't debunk them! And while you're at it try to actually rebuke my arguments because I've sank all your ships by now.
Superman In our argument on my page, we went back and forth for a long time and then you just completely went on a tangent. I responded to your arguments and then you made a huge reply just attacking me and saying how salty i am.
I did contest it, and taking into account how your last post on the subject was nothing but calling me salty, i seem to have won that debate.
It's because a lot of your arguments don't make any sense. You haven't sank jack sh*t man, sorry to tell you. You haven't given any arguments for why Thor is fast, all you've done is try to refute why he isn't slow by trying to debunk the scans i showed.
On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light.
Superman Thank you Joe for showing me some actual evidence and not just throwing a fit over people not agreeing with you.
Thor Talk isn't a great source to use for info, considering he uses his own calcs which aren't always very accurate.
But I still appreciate the scans. I still think Superman is faster, but thank you regardless.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: that's because those arguments were so stupid and easy to debunk. Besides taking the L you claimed I was "reaching" and instead of explaining why half of your OOC lies are anti feats, you completely ignored my questions. If you want to argue Thor is slow at least give me a challenge! You're Conveniently ignoring the debunks I gave rather and only focusing on how I detected salt from you.
"I did contest it" how so? I clearly remember putting holes in everything you said. Check again because I did far more than call you salty.
How don't they make sense? I'd honestly like to know and see if I can fix them. Yes I did, since you're Amnesiac I'm going to repeat myself: he's fast because he scales to plenty of fast characters, he's reacted to Mjolnir as it flew back to him from behind meaning he scales above his travel speed, etc. You claimed those guys either weren't impressive or that they hold back; both claims were literally just two more ships sank. You mean I completely destroyed them and you didn't have a rebuttal so you blamed me? Name something you have debunked! If you want to actually debate me then prove he wasn't holding back rather than blaming me for stating the fact and while you're at it address the rebuttals I just gave either here or on your profile page before you declare yourself the winner.
Thor Also, Thor was able to drive Storm breaker into the chest of Thanos. Unfortunately, he should've went for the head. Saying this, if Thor can end up getting Storm breaker into Superman's chest, it's game over. If he cannot then he will survive by attacking Superman with Kryptonite, due to his dimensional travel ability.
Thor Based on the stats of this database thor won. However, thor is smart so he would probably get his hands on Kryptonite, or he would be able to fight and some of his pals would help him.
Superman Superman has once moved at speeds of 1.85 sexdecillion times the speed of light in his missile feat. (1.85^51 the speed of light. 51 zeros)
Basically, he flew 200 trillion light years before Lois Lane's heart could beat once.
While i generally don't link youtube videos, here is someone very knowledgeable on the topic who explains this feat in detail around the two minute mark.
He also has immeasurable speed feats like defying death while breaking through time and space itself.
All this is just to say, to those of you who say that Thor equals Superman in speed? Not exactly. The man is fast, like really fast. Big advantage.
Superman There is enough time for him to perform this feat, it only requires him to be massively faster than light, which he is. It's comics, real life logic usually doesn't apply there. If you want to apply real life logic, then no character can be faster than light, despite many characters being massively faster than light (Superman included) and transcending time (again Superman included). You running 200m in a 100m race is not the same as Superman's feat.
Thor You misunderstand. I'm not doubting his ability to go faster than light or whether it's possible in comics I'm saying there isn't light-years in a heartbeat to move faster than.
Superman Yes there is. I even showed the calculation of how fast he would have had to have been moving in order to go that far in less than a second. It's massively FTL. It's an astronomically large number, but you saying it's impossible is foolish.
Thor@Mr_Incognito That feat was taken into deeper consideration and I believe people decided that it can't be accurately scaled due to all the weird stuff revolving around the Monitor Sphere, Limbo, and time manipulation...
Superman Idk what you mean by saying ''there isn't light-years in a heartbeat to move faster than.'' It was literally stated in the comic and it has been calced. Regardless, Thor has shown multiple immeasurable speed feats as well.
Superman@Darkwing pushing through time and space itself, traveling across everywhere in the entire multiverse within 1 second, pushing darkseid through multiple plains of existence onto the source wall in a few moments, showing equal speed to Zoom, breaking the bonds of infinity on accident
^ 5 examples of Supermans immeasurable speed, don't downplay his speed
Thor@Empty Your misunderstanding as well. I'm not doubting his speed ability (and stop assuming I do) I was doubting how that was possible time wise give there wasn't enough time in that time.
4) Wonder Woman's feat with Zoom was more impressive as it was actually shown on panel that Zoom was moving through physical time when she caught him. Also, this was Reverse-Flash (PZ is a stupid name) and he said Superman's speed RIVALS his own. That means they're somewhat relative, but not quite which makes sense considering Thawne would be faster than Superman via scaling to the Flash (don't even try with the Superman VS Flash argument). Also, Green Lantern who is relatively in the same ballpark as Superman in terms of speed said that Reverse-Flash was too fast to get a good look on. Superman knocked him down by moving in front of him so Reverse-Flash ended up smashing into his arm.
5) That would be infinite speed and more importantly, that was Pre-Crisis Superman.
Superman Superman's survived a point blank shot from the omega beams without a scratch and was able to equal them with his heat vision. SS was one-shot by the same omega beams, so you could say the same for Superman.
Superman Actually, this crossover WAS Canon. Both companies have approved it actually was canon since this event was referenced in both later on in canonical titles. If you want the proof i'm happy to provide it.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Even so, it doesn't necessarily mean Superman actually would defeat Thor. Both of the characters have undergone much more development over the years and the outcome would be entirely different than in the crossover.
Superman@Akhil No, that was the first crossover back in 1996 determined by fan votes. The second (and most recent) crossover in 2007 (JLA/Avengers) is the one where Superman defeats Thor after a good fight. This crossover is actually canon to both companies, to my surprise as well. @Joe I see your point and i get where you're coming from. However, personally i think it does follow that if Superman has won in the past, he most likely would do it again. I'm not sure it would be that different than the crossover, at least in my eyes, but who knows. I'm just saying that there is a canon fight in which Superman was victorious.
Thor Lex Luthor vs Superman = Superman #149
Harley Quinn vs Superman = Harley's little black book #5
Joker vs Superman = Doesn't really count because Joker stole Mxyzptlk's powers to 'win'.
Superman 1. Lex Luthor is one of the smartest people in DC. He has above a 12th level intellect, something only brainiac shares. Lex gets you on his cunning.
2. They were on a planet with a red sun. Obviously under normal circumstances it would be different.
3. Emperor Joker is a 5th dimensional imp, so no point in that.
Superman@duskpikachu aight if you keep sending out of context scans I'm about to get severely pissed off at you, lex luthor is a god damn genius so that doesn't prove he's not smart, Superman himself is a genius, he has intelligence feats way beyond a lot of DC characters, for Harley Quinn you realize he was exposed to red sun radiation same with the time he fought Muhammad Ali which means he was POWERLESS, and why show an emperor joker scan? Emperor joker scales beyond the spectre you realize, so omg stop sending those scans
Thor Thor has survived in the core of the sun on more than one occasion. If y'aall wanna go down that route I guess I can claim Thor's lighting can OHK Clark uwu.
Superman >normal Thor can not survive in Sun
Wtf is this ignorance lmfao. Thor has survived far worse. Sun has to step up it's game to hurt this tough boi.
Thor Why Thor would win:
He uses magic, which Superman has no defense against.
He is a literal GOD. Superman is still mortal, so Thor can only be killed by the Midgard serpent, as far as I know.
People say Superman can speedblitz Thor, but Thor can keep up with beings that can cross the galaxy in seconds. Thor is on par with Superman in strength and durability, but is more experienced in combat and wisdom, as he is over a thousand years old.
Superman Superman defeated Darksied. Hurculs.. Darksied is a fully God and immortal... Thor is not immortal not fully God... Darksied is more powerful than Thor
Thor Thor has also pushed all 9 realms back into place when the apocalypse began, ACCIDENTALY knocked out Namor the Sub-Mariner (who can fight the Sentry, who is Superman's equivalent at least), casually ripped apart and pulled together millions of tons of earth, broke adamantium cables simply by flexing, defeated the Phoenix Force, cracked the skull of a Celestial, knocked over Galactus, destroyed a planet in a single blow, defeated Thanos and Mangog back-to-back, punched a dimensional rift, threw a planet out of orbit by arm wrestling, easily destroyed Silver Surfer's force field, pushed over the Leaning Tower of Piza with one finger, lifted the Midgard Serpent, and matched the Hulk in terms of strength for an hour. Meanwhile, Superman struggles to get through Booster Gold's force field.
Superman Booster gold's force field is no joke. It's survived an attack capable of destroying a planet at the molecular level, shots from trigon, and blows from doomsday.
Thor Yes, but Thor can destroy forcefields with nearly identical feats, such as Silver Surfer's. Also, Thor has defeated beings like Mangog and Thanos, which are about on par with Doomsday in terms of strength. Superman got killed by Doomsday, but Thor actually defeated both of them back-to-back.
Thor@Ssaroj123, why isn't Thor a god? It's been stated over and over that he is the GOD of Thunder. Also, you spelled Darkseid and Hercules wrong, or at least, that's what I think you're trying to say.
Thor I understand that Superman can lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand and hold a black hole, but my point is that my opinion isn't going to change very easily.
Superman It's pretty funny that Thor fans flood Superman comments with downvotes but you never really see the reverse, at least not as much. Why is that? Also why is it that any comment about Thor gets a bunch of likes but not the opposite is true? Insecurity?
Thor Yeah because instead whenever the vote favours Thor we all get called bots instead.
I'm not one of those people who downvotes but the system is there if you disagree. I get downvoted all the time and will probably get downvoted again now
Thor I Want to debunk Intelligence, ok now I Say Thor is smarter Now this picture shows him using his intelligence, now read what Thor says and I'm going to quote it: "You shouldn't have thrown Away that Club! It Might've given you a Chance against me Titania!" this shows that Thor is telling Titania to grab the club that she threw because Thor knows He would easliy beat titania so he's giving her a chance, if superman was in the same scenario, Superman would lose because he's brawling and not thinking, Thor is smarter overall
Thor What I think that most people won't consider is that Thor has the advantage due to his primary method of attack being superman's second weakness. Superman is weak to magic. Thor matches him in nearly every aspect plus he has superior combat ability and magic hammer and lightning. the fight could honestly go either way (because supes is no stranger to facing magic users) but Thor certainly has the advantage.
Superman Superman has faced magic users before. It isn't the deciding factor here. Thor also is not as fast, can't hit as hard, and is not as durable. I agree this fight could go either way, but magic is not the deciding factor.
Thor No one ever says magic alone is why Superman loses but it's quite the hindrance and gives Thor an important edge when they're already quite similar
Superman I've seen people say that quite a bit on this site. It doesn't even make that much of a difference tbh. He's fought on par with Shazam, Black Adam, Hawkman w/ the Claw of Horus, and even Mordru.
Thor Think about. Thor and Superman are already quite similar in almost everything. The only difference is that Thor has a magic advantage which should be enough to tip the scales
Superman Not true. They have many different abilities and their physiology is quite different. Also, Superman is faster and stronger/more durable while Thor has more combat experience. However, even if it were true that they were completely equal in all categories, Thor's magic wouldn't tip the scales. See the examples i've provided above. Many of those characters would clean thor's clock and superman took them on
Thor I meant they're similar in strength, durability, speed etc. I wouldn't say Superman's better given he's been knocked out a few times while Thor always gets up again.
The same could be said about Thor who's been able to beat Mangog, nearly killed Galactus and kept fighting after nearly having his jaw taken off. The former 2 would beat Superman
Superman@ThorMathews, Thor is the god of thunder not strength. While superman have carried a whole solar system in a chain like array without even sweating just because it's sun is dying. People keep saying superman is weak to Thor's magic, but I don't see where Thor is invulnerable to Superman's heat vision, plus when lois lane got the powers of superman, she killed Black Adam who is a powerful magic user
Thor@DrOccult Thor is the God of Thunder, Lightning, Strength, Oak trees, and is also a War God as well, associated with fertility also. He's the god of more things than one. Thor has casually fought in the middle of the sun, 27 million degrees fahrenheit, I think he can take a little Superman heat vision lol. The solar system feat is pre crisis anyways and Thor as lifted much more regardless. Magic or no magic weakness, Thor will still win this fight
Superman@ThorMatthews How am I delusional? Thor is the god of thunder, not strength. Until Thor lifts something equivalent to all of existence, he isn't as strong as Superman.
Thor@Mr_Incognito, Once again like I said before he's the God of multiple things🤦🏼♀️ Superman has never lifted all of existence, the book of infinite page feat isn't that. Name another feat that is actually quantifiable then you have an argument but Superman doesn't have a feat greater than over 2 octillion tons
Thor Clearly you don't know about Marvels mythology or Norse mythology at all. He IS The God of STRENGTH,Thunder, Lightning, Oak trees, Protection, among other things. The Vikings literally prayed to Thor for strength in battle!
Superman Mandrakk stated that the book contained all of existence itself and had the entire multiverse growing inside of it.
Where are you getting the Octillion tons feat? The 20 planets feat i've already debunked and the neutron star is a durability feat, not strength. Superman moves the chains of Maggeddon, which has been stated to be four times heavier than Jupiter, which by itself is over a septillion tons. He's also pushed against Warwold (much larger than earth) while it was being powered by the big bang. He's lifted and thrown an entire solar system on his own and also pulled highfathers staff out of the source wall. There's examples of lifting greater than octillions, not even including slowing the spectre's descent. Proof the heavens are infinite weight and that hercules lifted them?
Superman@ThorMathews Now there is no need to emphasize on your ignorance against Superman, you keep saying Thor is god of many things is not logical. I understand what it meant to be god in both dc and marvel, a god can possess some features of other gods doesn't mean he is the god of it
Thor Superman (and Shazam) dropped the book of infinity. They couldn't hold it.
The solar system feat is pre-crisis.
He needed help just slowing Spectre unconscious body falling. Not that impressive.
Thor@Mr_Incognito the book contains all of existence as in all knowledge of all books possible. If it were truly infinite why would Superman struggle moving the moon and the earth before? The nuetron star is a lifting feat. He breaks free from it. Once again your logic to debunking makes no sense Thor lifted himself while under the weight of twenty planets thus lifting the weight. Hercules is lifting the universe when he does it. Best lifting feat in comics no cap. Thor has match Hulk for an entire hour also. Superman is not stronger than the Hulk, not even close. Hulk, Herc, and Thor, are all stronger than Supes. Supes is much faster tho
Thor@DrOccult Thor is the God of Strength for the NORSE PANTHEON! Hercules is the God of Strength for the Olympian pantheon. If you knew anything about mythology 🙄... Odin is also the God of more than one thing, Wisdom, Magic, Poetry, War, and that is FACT!
Superman@Tyrannus the feat was actually Post-Crisis.
@ThorMathews It was literally said that the multiverse grows within it. Mandrakk stated the entire existence is contained in the book. Nowhere it stated it was only the knowledge. Before you say that Ultraman read the last page, that was later contradicted. He said he read the last page and saw Mandrakk win. Guess what? Mandrakk lost. Stop using low-end feats to lowball Supes. Thor has plenty of low-end as well. Why are you talking about mythology, dude? Mythology =/= comics. Being god of multiple things isn't going to help Thor win this fight lmao. Superman is comparable to Thor in power, but puts him to shame in terms of speed. He makes him look like a turtle. He has much better feats and scaling overall, gg. Btw. Don't think of me as Superman fanboy, because I actually prefer Thor over Superman, but I know his limits.
Thor From what I've seen of all Superman and Thor's strength feats Thor consistently shows he's stronger. Yes Superman is faster. But Thor is greater than or equal to him in every other category. Thor's done fine against beings just as fast or faster than Superman, Silver Surfer for example and speed was never an issue
Superman@Tyrannus He did lift it. He and shazam moved the book.
Yes, he pulled a solar system on his back in pre crisis, but here he is throwing an entire solar system post-crisis, way more than 2 octillion tons. https://m.imgur.com/a/D9eD4
Thor@Mr_Incogito a neutron star is 1.4 times the weight of the sun. The sun is approximately 2 octillion tons. Making a neutron star 2.8 octillion tons. You can fit 1000 Jupiter's inside the sun. Even to take 9 Jupiter's and the sun being generous as the solar system that doesn't touch the weight of a neutron star. Neutron Star> Solar System. However that feat is very impressive and I personally consider it supes best strength feat. Considering he did it by himself and it is somewhat quantifiable
Superman@ThorMatthews I mean, i think that Superman's book feat is more impressive but ok. Lifting strength really isn't that important in this fight. Striking strength is more important and I think Superman has the edge. But i can at least agree both are impressive feats. I mean, it technically was just a bomb that simulated a neutron star's pressure, but i won't get into semantics.
Superman I also just wanna add that pushing against a giant-sized planet that's being powered by the big bang itself is nuts. Superman pushed a planet against the weight and power of a universe. Him removing the staff from the source wall is also universal strength.
Thor Like i said before, thor is stronger, even in lifting strength, If Superman needed Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter to lift the Earth while Thor didn't need Juggernaut or World War Hulk for help, I Think we already know Who is stronger
Thor@Mr_Incognito over 2 octillion tons is more than anything supes has done. Not to mention the world engine which connects the 9 realms. Thor casually walks in the middle of the sun, has fought Zeus for months, and taken blast from celestials. Thor is a much better tactician, Thor is much more experienced and wiser in battle.
Superman Superman moved the chains of Maggeddon which dwarfs earth hundreds of times over. Also there's slowing the descent of the spectre and lifting a book of infinite pages (that has been confirmed by the Writer) and Mandrakk stated it to contain all of existence. So no, 2 octillion is not. Superman has also pulled highfather's staff out of the source wall. The only feat of those that is impressive is taking celestial blasts, but Superman has taken blasts from Mordru, the Anti-monitor, Imperiex (powered by the big bang), and Darkseid. He's also survived shots from the void hound, survived the source wall exploding in his face, and being in the middle of Apokolips and new genesis colliding. Oh, and survived getting hit into space by Emperor Joker. Superman has a super brain that can process information thousands of times fast, has a perfect photographic memory, and a genius-level intellect. He can even read and memorize someone's DNA. Superman can punch hard enough to shatter multiple realities.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Hundreds of times the earth still is not as heavy as 2 octillion tons. The infinite page feat he needed Shazams help, and Ultraman said he read the last chapter. It's more like it contained every book possible. And may I ask why Superman has needed help to move the Earth and moon before?
Superman Superman has lifted more than that. It doesn't matter if shazam was there, it's still infinite weight. Ultra man was proven wrong later in the series. Superman needing help is outliers. He's done both plenty of times on his own.
Thor If the Spectre weighed infinite that planet beneath would of been crushed. If you truly think Superman lifted "infinite" you must think he's infinitely strong, all of supes greatest feats have been assisted, do you want me to make the argument Wonder Woman or Shazam is stronger than him? Lol. You must think supes is stronger than the Hulk to 😂
Superman Spectre didn't weigh infinite, you're correct. That's a pretty bold statement that all of his greatest feats have been assisted. Why do you even care about lifting strength? It doesn't matter that much in a fight. What matters is striking strength and in that category Superman is stronger. You could make the argument if you'd like, doesn't mean it'd be accurate though. I don't know who's stronger between Supes and hulk. I do know that both have ways to increase their strength, but that the sun is more reliable than anger
Thor Superman can what, shake planets with punches? Thor can tank a star-busting attack pretty easily. And he can shatter planets with shockwaves of his punches and hits with Mjolnir with ease. Superman can react in milliseconds whereas Thor can react in mere microseconds. He can keep up with Silver Surfer and can throw Mjolnir faster than light speed. And you can't really say Superman is nearly as fast as the Flash because Flash screws around every time they fight or race, he even admitted it and proceeded to show his true speed.
Thor And now Superman's only real chance of winning (speed) is now off the table. Thor outclasses Superman in everything else, and many people doubt Thor's intelligence. He has a REALLY old God who has had centuries of battle combat and experience.
Thor Superman and Shazam actually dropped the book of infinity implying it was too much for them.
The Spectre's weight was described as the collective consciousness of eternity. Eternity has no weight, it's a measure of time. Even so Superman had help and was only slowing his decent.
Hulk's feats have surpassed Superman and has shown he is the strongest one there is. It's just that he's not put into these situations as often as Superman so gets mistaken for weaker.
Superman Superman actually can shatter multiple planes of reality with a single punch. Superman can actually react down to the femtosecond. Speed is not Kal's only advantage. He can hit harder, is more durable, and more intelligent. Thor has wisdom, sure, but he doesn't have a brain faster than a super computer. Superman actually beat the flash in a race in Superman flyby #4, so yes he can be scaled to the flash who is faster than surfer.
Thor Flash once stated that he only lets Superman catch up to him in races because it's usually for charity but when he really needs to he leaves Superman behind
Thor I can't remember the comic where he said he slowed down for charity but in the Justice comic, Superman says that he feels as though Barry always held back when racing as he couldn't catch him now.
Thor The one where Flash says that is about charity fun runs. It's the scan I'm trying to find now for you. The one I sent is from Justice. Superman does say Barry holds back here when running
Superman Mjolnir is a hell of a weapon, but Superman's raw strength, speed, durability, and super brain would turn the tide. Superman has fought on par with magical beings such as Shazam, Black adam, Hawkman with the claw of horus, and even Mordru. He's survived a double black hole, a red sun exploding in his face (50 supernovas), getting hit with gog's staff (can harm fifth dimensional imps), the source wall exploding right in front of him, shots from the void hounds (which destroyed 20 star systems on its test run) and even getting hit with punches hard enough to shatter multiple planes of reality (which he can do himself). He can easily go trillions of times the speed of light. Once he even stopped reality blitzing missiles that were going to sterilize the entire universe in a single heartbeat. That's sextillions of times light speed. Thor is no pushover, but the Man of Steel is written to be stupidly OP. That's like the point of his character.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Those are all great points! However, I'd like to talk about some of them.
1) Superman's biggest advantage against Thor is his speed. Thor however, has fought people like Silver Surfer and Sentry who are all on par with Superman when it comes to strength, and they are both faster than Thor so it means that Thor can fight characters faster than him. Speed isn't the determining factor here.
2) Strength and durability wise, Thor can match Superman. Thor scales Hulk who has shattered the time barrier, tore apart Nightmare's dimension with sheer power alone, and Hulk even shook the multiverse before. This makes sense as Thor has an even record against him with more wins than not. Thor by himself has destroyed planets, destroyed star-sized objects, lifted Asgard alongside Beta Ray Bill which is one of the nine realms, and he's pushed the World Engine which held the World Tree, Yggdrasil in place. This is impressive because Yggdrasil contains the 9 realms (and possibly an infinite amount more) which have been stated to have their own universal spacetime continuums. When it comes to attack potency, Thor has harmed Galactus with a hammer throw, temporarily knocked out the Phoenix Force, and split apart Celestial armor. Thor's durability is even greater than his strength as he's taken hits from Odin, Zeus, Galactus, and a Celestial. He's also survived planetary destruction, supernovas, solar systemic destruction, and explosions that scaled to galaxy level or even higher considering he's survived a bomb which could have killed basically every god in existence (although he needed to absorb some of it into Mjolnir)...
3) Thor has stated his divinity transcends dimensions and he literally tore a singularity through spacetime. He also has superior hax which he can counter Superman's versatility with such as his weather manipulation, energy manipulation, energy absorption, dimensional travel, elemental control, matter manipulation, magic nullification, spell casting, and stuff like that. You also can't forget his Godblast, Thermoblast, and the Anti-Force.
Superman Likewise. Superman also has some less talked about abilities, such as his super flare, molecular oscillation, phasing, and what have you. He could also do to Thor what he did to Manchester Black and lobotomize his brain with his heat vision, or phase through him and pull out his heart/brain, or even vibrate until he literally explodes. On the speed topic, yes. Thor has fought fast characters, sure. But there's really no denying that Superman is faster than Thor, and by a considerable amount. That gives him a major advantage because it will be difficult for Thor to land any hits on him. Lifting strength isn't really important in a fight, but in terms of striking strength, Superman can shatter multiple planes of reality just with his punches. Thor may be tough, but that kind of power would definitely do some crippling damage. Durability is close, but I give Superman the nod for consistently surviving Solar System and Universal+ attacks, from Gog's staff to Emperor Joker to the Source Wall exploding in his face. This is a good fight, and both of them hold back. However, I think a going all-out or bloodlusted Superman would take the win here.
I have an observation i'd like to share. Whenever a new superhero or character comes into the mainstream, who do they always seem to compare them to in terms of strength, speed, etc? Superman is used as the measuring stick to compare other characters' power with. The very nature of Superman is to be OP. That's why so many of the popular battles that are debated involve him. I mean, he's on the popular battles page on this site like seven times at least.
Thor 1) Thor has shown resistance to all that stuff, especially matter manipulation or things like that. He's fought Sentry and the Silver Surfer who have MUCH more hax than Superman. They're also as fast if not faster than Superman meaning they also have a considerable speed advantage against Superman but when Thor started to try and used his combat speed to his peak, they lost their advantage of possibly blitzing him.
2) When it comes to striking power, Thor has feats on that same level, especially hurting people like Galactus, the Phoenix Force, and Celestials. Cracking Celestial armor is already a feat on part with skyfathers and Thor has fought other beings like that too such as Surtur. He scales to people like Hulk, Sentry, and Silver Surfer who have fought people VASTLY higher than their tier. Hulk has fought people like Dormammu while Surfer has taken on Mephisto and Knull. There's no denying it that Thor has feats on that same tier when it comes to strength and Mjolnir gives him a MASSIVE advantage.
3) Durability is very close but Thor also has solar system to universal+ feats. Celestial attacks, godbomb, attacks from Gorr, reality warping resistance, matter manipulation resistance, soul manipulation resistance... etc.
4) True. I can't argue with that, but that's just how it turned out to be. Superman was the first superhero and he holds the title as one of the most powerful, but that doesn't mean he's inherently more powerful than anyone else compared to him.
Thor@Mr_Incognito he moves himself with one arm thus moving the weight. Thor's reversed the world tree connecting the 9 realms. Has also broke free of the weight of a nuetron star, that's over 2 octillion tons!
Superman He pushed back against it. He never lifted it. Nice other feats. Superman has survived being in between apokolips and new genesis colliding as well as a black hole collapsing on top of him.
Thor Superman's advantages:
Intelligence
Strength
Speed
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Thor's advantages:
Tactical intelligence
Striking power
Durability
Versatility
Firepower
Skill
I'd say Thor wins, as tactical intelligence and striking power are greater advantages than scientific intelligence and lifting power in a battle. Superman's main advantage is speed, but Thor has consistently beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster. Mjolnir is a wild card that gives a great advantage to Thor. Superman will get in more hits but Thor will get in better and more coordinated hits, eventually winning him the day. Thor wins 55-65% of the time.
Thor Thor has mjolnir. Most of Superman's greatest striking feats have a lot of context behind them, for example, KOing the world forger, in which he was amped by like 10-gagillion suns.
Thor Let's Debunk a few things
1. Thor is by far more durable, I Mean Supes is Vulnerable to Kryptonite while Thor isn't
2. Thor is by Stronger, Supes needed the Justice League to lift the Planet while Thor didn't need World Breaker Hulk or Juggernaut to help lift the Midgard Serpent
3. Thor has done better against People like superman, Examples are Hyperion and Gladiator
4. Supes has lost more fights than thor has
5. Thor has magic and that magic will effect supes
Thor 1 don't Mean anything Thor is vurnable to other things weakness have nothing to do with durability 2 Superman has destroyed a solar system before so .... 3 gladiator and Hyperion are way weaker Then Superman 4 how do you know 5 magic is not even a weaknes to him he is just vurnable to it
Superman 1 Thor isnt vulnarable kryptonite how this is an arguement? Kryptonite is in dc dude and kryptonite cant affect supes if he rages enough or goes solar flare
2 wtf Superman was weakened there and he literally has waaaay more impressive feats,midgard serpent? Lmao
3 Thor has done better? Against people like superman those dudes you mentioned would get oblitaired by Superman,and when you say "better" you need to compare two things Superman fought and clapped dudes way stronger than thor
4 proof?
5 thats a ******* urban fantasy supes tanked magical attacks that would atomize Thor ill post you on discord if you want
Thor Superman wouldn't obliterate Gladiator.
Superman is weak against magic. Name examples of magical attacks that would kill Thor but Superman tanked?
Superman 1. Moot point.
2. Superman bench pressed the earths weight for five days with no sunlight on his own and has dragged and pushed planets by himself on many occasions, so that one time isn't that important.
3. That's true. Superman has also held his own against magical beings.
4. I'm going to need some serious evidence for that statement. Superman has been in comics for much longer than Thor also, so kind of unfair.
5. It won't weaken him, but yeah his invincibility does not extend to magic so fair point.
Thor People are really overhyping Superman. He isn't any more special than he was a couple months ago. Superman's biggest advantage is his speed. He isn't leagues above Thor in strength or anything, and to be fair, Thor does have better striking power so...
Superman He never lifted 20 planets with one arm. That panel is constantly taken out of context by Thor fans. He resisted the pressure, that's it. It's durability, not strength.
Superman@Dark_Wing: Warriors madness Thor was able to fight Mangog, also using his full potential, he defeated Majeston Zelia who had Odin's powers at that moment.
Superman No one cares if Thor is Bloodlusted since it doesn't change anything, Superman is comparable to him in power but dwarfs him so much in speed that he's gonna blitz him before he can lift his hammer
Superman Unless you can show me Thor speed feats including being fast enough to bfr someone through all DC's plains of existence up to the source wall instantaneously, or speed being so fast that when at full potential consistently puts Wally west flash to shame, Superman makes Thor look like a turtle in speed
Superman I didn't prove doesn't necessarily mean mxy is below skyfather fact u didn't accept mxy is above them , hurting brainiac and mxy with pure strength >>anything that thor has did with his pure strength
Superman Superman was able to beat up king Shazam who scales above gods like Ares, Rao, Ares in particular scales to Source tier. I see Superman taking this comfortably.
Thor The first fight did have a conclusion, Shazam won. Superman even shouts at Batman telling him he beat them both. And you said I'm wrong.
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Shazam actually had Superman at his mercy and would have turned him if Batman hadn't intervened. https://i2.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Batman-Superman-2-Page-3.jpg?resize=677%2C1028
In the second fight Shazam wasn't defeated he was just distracting Superman.
Thor The same thing's happened to Shazam in the past where he'd be beating Superman then for no reason Superman wins.
Superman technically won the second fight but that's because Shazam and Supergirl attacked each other. They were only trying to distract him anyway.
Superman ok so you agree that Superman beat up King Shazam? the only reason Shazam won the first fight was cos Superman held back, and Superman evaded Shazams blast he didn't purposely attack Supergirl.. and Shazam wasn't distracting him but ok then, good that we're on the same page.
Thor Never said that. Superman losing isn't only because he held back. Even when he's gone all out he can't win.
Shazam was distracting him because Batman had to tell him to leave them. Shazam wanted him to keep fighting.
Superman bruh I don't understand? I literally showed you and angry Superman stomping King Shazam and Supergirl in their next fight and your just denying it? Superman in the first fight was holding back, and what suggests in their second fight that Shazam was distracting him? literally nothing.
Superman bud I read the comic over and over and literally nothing suggests Shazam was distracting him at all lmao, your simply denying it to support your argument.
Thor It didn't make sense TBH. Batman had to tell Superman to leave them. They had other things to do.
If we look at their previous fights Shazam tends to have the upper hand. One of Superman's best fights was when he was possessed by Eclipso and even then he was straining against Shazam who was holding back.
Superman I can actually see this going either way. I voted for Thor to even it up. Post-Crisis Supes has some bs scaling, but then again Thor has fuckton of abilities at his disposal with Mjolnir.
Superman Because Post-Crisis Superman is most consistently universal+ (just like Thor), and he has immeasurable speed, unless he farts out boomtubes. And I don't think he is allowed to have an platonic level size amp here. Assuming Thor has incredibly many haxxes, he should get this one.
Superman I found thor speed is overrated here because he tagged silver surfer , so i can make a argument that batman is faster than thor because he tagged reverse flash
Superman I do agree that Thor isn't faster just because he's beaten silver surfer. The fact that most people defend Thor's speed by automatically resorting to him fighting the Silver Surfer explains a lot. If your main argument for a character being fast is based on them fighting someone else who is fast, that says a lot. Just because Thor has fought surfer doesn't mean he is as quick. It's telling that Thor fans will often fall back on the "But, he beat Silver Surfer!" statement whenever they can't find a good speed feat.
Superman@Mr_Incoginto: Have you seen the fights between Norrin and Thor? Thor reacts him, throws hammer fast enough to catch him.
Mjolnir has feats like entering the 4th dimension of time through speed, time travelling through speed, flying as fast as Silver Surfer and etc.
He consistently reacts and fights people who reacts Mjolnir.
He can fight on par with Gladiator without using his haxxes and keep in mind Gladiator fought Hyperion in matter of nanoseconds (10^-9 seconds, a simple move would be FTL). No one cares if Thor being fast will make DCtards have butthurt.
Superman Can't really understand much of that, worded pretty weird. If you're calling me a DCtard or butthurt, that's really unnecessary. It's just my opinion on Thor's speed.
Superman Sorry for that, @Incoginto, I wasn't in my best mood at that moment. But anyway, you better not have opinions that you can't back up with evidence. There have been times Thor blitzed Surfer, travelled time due to his speed, fought Hulk who consistently reacts Miolnir, Miolnir has once transcended 3D space due to speed and etc.
Superman Well a fight between both these characters would be epic and I believe DC and Marvel have already done a Crossover with both these characters fighting and Superman winning that encounter.
Thor Depends on how the fight goes. If it's a brawl only using strength, speed, toughness, and one hammer probably Supes 6/10 if he utilizes his speed right.Thor's greater combat skill and striking power should keep it close. Thor can in modern comics fight at super speed even light speed (Thor The Deviant Saga). That said Clark is faster. If both are going all out willing to win at all cost I'll say Thor wins at least 6/10. Thor has multiple magical energy attacks that should bypass Superman's invulnerability and any lighting emanating from Mjolnir is magical in nature enhancing it's non magical blunt force. Superman greater strength, speed, invulnerability (harder to injure) Thor greater combat skill, striking power, durability (ability to continue after taking damage) and greater ranged attacks ( heat vision and freeze breath will have little effect). My analysis.
Thor Superman is a bit stronger and faster.
Thor is more durable, more powerful and more skilled. He has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman. Mjolnir has traveled at great speeds, and is extremely powerful. Superman is faster, but not fast enough to speedblitz, and Thor can hit him with his hammer and lightning. I'd say Thor mostly wins because of Mjolnir. He has the advantage of arguably greater striking power with it, as well as lightning, combined with his experience and superior durability, takes the win, just barely. Nobody wins in a stomp.
Thor wins 51-55 percent of the time.
Thor This is pretty much how I view the outcome too. Both have outstanding feats. I feel like Thor has a better chance of winning from what he's survived and due to mjolnir being a wildcard that can act as a weapon/distraction.
Superman Or lobotomize him with heat vision. Or incinerate him with a super flare. Or phase through him and rip his heart out. Or molecularly oscillate him. Or use his vibrations to cancel out his essence. Or IMP him. Or grab his hammer and use it against him. Or hit him with a punch so hard it shatters reality. Or hit him with thousands of light speed punches in a second.
Thor Silver surfer is faster than Superman and more powerful, and yet last time I checked, they either stalemated or Thor won. So speed blitz isn't a guaranteed victory.
Thor Incognito, he wouldn't lobotomize Thor it's not in his character. Thor has survived the heat of the sun. I don't think Superman has the ability to phase thru objects. He could imp him, but not a guarantee Vic. Even if the hammer decided Superman was worthy, it would not necessarily listen to Superman. It would actually follow the commands of Thor unless for some reason Thor became unworthy. Thor has kept up with silver surfer who is faster than Superman. And you make these statements like Thor is just gonna be taken down by one hit. He's fought and stalemated/won against silver surfer. Fought and damaged thanos who is far more powerful than Superman. I'm not saying Thor is going to win necessarily everytime they fight each other. But you're making it sound like Thor is going to lose every time they fight.
Superman I'm just listing many ways Superman could take him down. If Supes was bloodlusted he would. Superman does have phasing, check the comment section of Superman's profile. Surfer being faster than a Superman is debatable. People defending Thor need to stop falling back on the "But he beat Silver Surfer therefore he's as fast as him!" argument.
Superman Superman's super flare is equivalent to every cell in his body going supernova. That's the power of trillions of Supernovas. No, I don't think Superman would win in one punch or every single time, i'm just pointing he has plenty of ways he could take Thor out.
Thor It's not debatable, he is faster than Superman. It's not a question it's a statement. People aren't falling back on it, it's a feat. It shows how fast reacting Thor is. You pretending it's not a feat of speed or just a feat in general is hilarious. And if Thor went into warriors madness he gets amplified as well and would lose control.
And if super flare missed, he's completely vulnerable and easy target. It's a gamble more than anything. You rattled off ways he could win but most likely wouldn't.
Superman Superman has tagged the flash who is faster than surfer. Yes, thor has reacted to the surfer, but he had also been blitzed by Spider-man, wolverine, and mongoose. The super flare covers the area of an entire city. If Thor is anywhere near him, it would hit. Superman's missile feat or speed trumps all of surfers speed feats.
Superman@Lantern That panel says that Surfer gets from one side of the universe to the other by going through a black hole as a shortcut. He didn't cross that distance himself.
Superman I've seen other sources mention that scan as being a shortcut since he traveled through a black hole to appear on the other side of the universe. But yes, an impressive durability feat.
Thor And Superman was defeated by a man in a bat suit. Every hero has a pis moment. And you're forgetting that Thor has his own move the god blast. It's an even match that could go either way. I give the edge to Thor, barely.
Superman That's because Batman used kryptonite. No PIS involved. Superman could dodge the godblast, it's not instantaneous. He has incredibly fast speed and reaction time, so i doubt the godblast would hit him.
Superman Ok, just for the sake of argument, let's say that what you said matches with the scan (which it doesn't). That still doesn't mean it would hit Superman. Not only has Superman also done that while blitzing the missiles, but he has femtosecond reaction time. He would be able to see Thor getting ready to fire the blast before he shot it, and dodge accordingly.
Thor You're saying that superman can move faster than thor is capable of reacting but a guy in a bat suit can get the drop on superman? He's been decked by aqua man, a much slower hero. He's been tagged by slower beings. Saying he can react and dodge a move as powerful as the god blast is a questionable one. Thor has fought faster beings than superman. Speed isn't the deciding factor in this battle.
Superman Well Thor has been speed blitzed by Wolverine, Spiderman, and Mongoose. Both have some low end showings. Aquaman can keep up with Wonder Woman, so i mean he's not that slow. Batman only beat Superman by using kryptonite, a crippling weakness. That's the only reason he can even hurt him.
Thor I'm not going to go in circles with you. You clearly think supes wins cuz of speed cuz thats all you've mentioned. I don't think a fight like this would be decided by speed. If speed was the reason a battle was won, Flash would never lose. I've countered you're statement and you now are restating the same thing again. So i say good day to you.
Thor I would say Thor, they are both around the same strength with both being able to lift the weight of dozens of planets and Thor still has his warriors madness, Thor is a better fighter, Superman is faster, they have around the same durability, but Thor has more had abilities, matter manipulation, portals, energy manipulation, and the god blast that sent galactic running
Thor Actually Thor has more powers. They are even in strength and durability. Superman is a little faster. Thor is a better combatant. Superman is smarter. Thor is more experienced.
Superman@Dean I agree with the second part of that sentence but not the first. Supes has the edge in raw strength and in durability too, I would argue.
Thor A weakened Thor overpowered the world engine. Lifted the weight of 20 planets with one are casually. Matched Hulk in strength for an hour. Survived a supernova. Survived a blast that Odin thought could defeat him. He defeated Abomination with a punch. He easily overpowered the gravitational force of a neutron star.
Superman My god, everyone takes that "20 planets" feat out of context. Thor never lifted 20 planets with one arm. He broke free of an energy field worth the weight of 20 planets that's as restraining him. He never lifted the weight.
Thor Silver Surfer is faster and more powerful than Superman, and Thor defeated him. Superman is faster than Thor, but not fast enough to speedblitz or garuntee a win. In addition to this you've claimed:
--Batman vs Spectre wasn't PIS because Batman's gadgets are OP (provides no evidence.)
--Catwoman would beat Spider-man because she beat three speedsters at once (also PIS)
--Deathstroke is stronger and faster than Spider-man.
--Wonder Woman has better feats than Thor.
And now: Superman can match Odin.
You must not know a lot about Marvel or are biased for DC, it seems.
Thor "If I'm so confident." Why are you? You've made so many biased remarks, many that are'nt true. The only thing you 'explained' was Superman beating Odin, which he wouldn't do, considering Odin fought and defeated Infinity, in a battle that destroyed galaxies, and repaired that damage. He removed the 10th Realm from Yggdrasil, and the realms are stated to be universes, which means that he removed an entire universe from Yggdrasil.
He also one-shots Hela, recreates the Universe and damage caused to galaxies multiple times Odin is also able to knock out a nourished Galactus. Surtur's Eternal flame was said to be able to destroy the Multiverse, but Odin was able to contain it. All that and many other things. There is plenty more out there. Odin is too much for Superman.
If you want to debate me on Superman vs Odin, we'll do it on the page for Superman vs Odin (I'll make one if it doesn't exist yet), or Thor vs Superman (we'll debate here) or Batman vs Spider-man (we'll do it on the Batman vs Spider-man page.)
Thank you.
Thor But Superman is planetary or solar system level, Odin is around low multiversal. Superman cannot hope to match such a powerful being. If you want to know more go to the Odin vs Superman page, which will show you hopefully why Odin wins. I'll debate you there if you want. And if you aren't biased why have you made so many untrue remarks that you often see from biased voters? (Batman *Cough* staggering *cough cough* unbound spectre *ehem*)
Superman Dam,alot of people make alot of effort and have tons of time intheir life's to keep track of other people's comments,I've read one of this person is common and have to agree with him
Superman I'll make another comment about why Superman wins.
As long as there is sun for Superman. He will keep coming at Thor persistly. It will be a long ending battle but I think Superman takes it at the end if he doesn't hold back. Clearly in the comics despite him not using his full momentum. Superman has holded back against Doomsday though in the end it only took a couple of shots to bring him down when he doesn't hold back.
So in conclusion I do believe Superman will hold back against Thor from the beginning. Though when he just sees there's too much destruction I believe Superman will get amped up and either knockout thor or potentially kill him.
Thor Superman vs thor is just a bad matchup and yeah spidey vs tribunal is a horrible fight but i like it, this one, i mean thor is basically shazam with centuries of fighting vs a kryptoian who's lost to solomon grundy and even joker and lex luthor
Superman@DeanDinosaur it's not even a battle, but don't bother asking anything to @Blotskygei, I've been keeping a list of smart claims he's made
"Spiderman is more experienced than the living tribunal"
"Spiderman existed longer than TLT"
"Space punisher hulk beats Emperor joker"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Superman really easily"
"Hulk is physically superior to the one above All"
"Doomsdays durability Is atleast equal to the power of the Beyonder"
"God emperor doom stomps pre retcon beyonder"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Daredevil"
"Antimonitor is DCs version of Thanos because of the way they look and similar feats"
"Mxy has done everything doctor manhattan did" (in this context I mention doctor Manhattan destroying mxy, so mxy destroyed himself lmao)
"Superman loses to DAREDEVIL"
"Sentry loses to Daredevil"
"Captain America beats Captain Atom"
"Captain America stomps Martian manhunter"
"Spiderman absolutely stomps Martian Manhunter"
"Doctor Manhattan loses to silver surfer"
"Antimonitor stomps Eternity"
"Power absorption > Omnipotence"
"The one above all = Dark Infinity, but Dark infinity > The one above all"
"Cosmic Ghost rider solos Beyonder and living tribunal"
He's questioned these things lol:
-why can't we steal other characters names and make fusions?
-are fusion Characters allowed?
-WHERE ARE MY OCS? (In this context every last one of his oc's were simply "MarDC" fanfiction freaks)
-Why does dark infinity Get hate? (Obviously not because his writer is a complete and total unimaginative piece of absolute 3 year old garbage that cries over his oc not getting votes)
He's even admitted to these things:
-he worships YouTubers
-doesnt read comics
-Dark infinity was created
-Dark infinity is Universal
He's also done this:
-reported comments that shouldn't be reported
-same with downvoting
-made a discord server and blamed people for braking rules (when they didn't even remotely break rules)
-always Hates on people that disagree with him
Also @Blotsky: he's destroyed those 2 more timed than he lost, many many times you ignorant moron, go touch a comic and then come back, superman only lost when under a red son you idiot, and shazam/Thor are NOTHING alike.
Thor here are stuff you said
Superman Stomps Silver Surfer
Green Lantern or Captain America or Wolverine can Beat a Omnipotent Being
Living Tribunal Beats The Ivory Kings
Spectre beats the Ivory Kings
Batman Who Laughs Beats King Thanos
Batman Who Laughs Beats Unstoppable Colossus
Man-Thing Beating Lifebringer Galactus
Superman Stomps Thanos
Thor Beats World War Hulk
Constantine Beats Ghost Rider
Thor@BlotskyA I like Spider-man a lot, but the only world he beats Living Tribunal in is a world where Batman doesn't have plot armor (which means never.) Wait...Spidey and Batsy are from different universes...not sure if that messes everything up or not.
Thor And @EmptyHand, to add to your list of things BlotskyA has said.
--Thanos stomps Galactus
--Punisher, Spider-man and Captain America solo the Justice League
--Iron Man's armor isn't durable
--Batman is more durable than Superman
--Batman can beat Superman using pressure points
--Joker beats Loki
--Joker is as durable as Loki
--Super-boy Prime beats Odin
--Wonder Woman would lose to street-levelers
--Deathstroke has a more powerful healing factor than Deadpool
--Batman is too powerful for Wolverine, Silver Surfer, Daredevil, Captain America, Carol Danvers, Black Panther and Spider-man to handle.
--Bane (3-4 tons) and Killer Croc (2 tons) are stronger than Spider-man (25 tons)
--Iron Man is a bad prepper
--Daredevil and Sentry are evenly matched
--Daredevil beats Superman
--Black Panther can beat Hyperion
--Predator beats Kratos
--Batman is physically stronger and faster than Wolverine.
--Batman solos the Sinister Six without prep
--Thor beats Darkseid
--Batman beats Thor
--Black Widow beats Wonder Woman
--Spider-man beats Flash
--Batman beats Flash
--Wolverine beats Aquaman
--Batman can survive blasts from Iron Fist (who took down a helicarrier)
*Oh here's the best one*
--Spider-man beats the ENTIRE Justice League, alone, except for...wait for it... Batman. I mean, Spider-man DESTROYS Batman is a 1v1 fight but should have no chance against Superman or Green Lantern or many others.
*Oh wait here's an even better one.*
CAPTAIN AMERICA solos the Justice League except for Batman (one of the few he could beat) and Flash.
He's admitted he doesn't read comics, just 'looks them up.' He claims to be unbiased and doesn't troll.
He's claimed he knows more about Hulk and Thor than @Dark_Wing and others which is 'sad because they've been on this site longer than I have been," and yet fails to disprove anybody.
A few things. I think I'm missing some. Sorry if I got any information wrong.
Superman Last time i checked he was immune to magic
,He was so much more strong than thor , and so mush so durable than Thor, his speed is million,billion , trillion times faster than thor,
Last time i checked thor can be knock out by nice clear one punch of Superman , thor can do nothing to take down Superman;)
Superman @ Mxyzptlk. I agree with you for most of it Thor doesn't have magic like Dr fate or strange and as powerful as athor is , Superman would take this..that. Goes to show you how powerful Superman is..
Superman I was able to copy this from reliable source..
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Superman is physically the most power character in DC Comics, he may as well be a god. He's stronger than both Thor and Hercules, putting him above Odin the physical strength because Thor is the strongest one from Asgard.
Thor Actually thor has even the lifting strength because Clark NEED The Entire Justice League to help me lift planets while Thor DIDN'T need World War Hulk, Juggernaut, Hercules, World Breaker Hulk or Space Punisher hulk to lift the Midgart serpent
Superman I've never seen a single time Superman needed the entire league to lift the earth. There's a single time I can remember when he needed help, and that's with MM and WW. But he's lifted the and pulled the earth plenty of times by himself.
Thor Thor's hammer is magic based sups does have a resistance but enough will take its toll if this was a better version of sups which it's not then sups would win but it's not so thor wins
Superman I got to give Thor a hell of alot better fighter with a doubt but as far as being STRONGER MORE DURABLE HE DOESN'T COMPARE TO SUPERMAN..SONT GET ME WRONG THOR IS INSANELY TUFF, STRONG, DURABLE AND POWERFUL BUT HE WOULDN'T WIN.SUPERMAN WOULD DO CIRCLES AROUND HIM WITHOUT THOR SEEING HIM AND JUST BEAT HIM DOWN
Thor I say Superman is only a little stronger and faster. But Thor is more durable and a better combatant. Superman is smarter and Thor is more powerful. I just think Thor wins 51/10.
Superman Ok fine
Strength :- Superman >thor
Speed. :- Superman >>thor
Durability :- Superman>thor
Power overall :- Thor >> Superman
Now power cancelled speed superman wins by greater strength and durability
All right I won
Thor I'd say Thor is barely more durable. I say he wins because of combat. But it really could go either way. I could make an argument for Superman winning. I think Thor wins 51 times out of 100 and Superman wins 49.
Thor I think Thor will just outlast Superman. After hours to maybe days left, Thor might just be too superior in combat and experience. It could go either way. Superman is a little bit faster and barely stronger. Superman is also smarter. I think Thor will just barely outlast Superman
Thor Thor
Mostly because Thor doesn't loose his power as Supes would away from the yellow sun. So it depends. Most of these battles are up to fans or writer interpretation as we've seen Superman to have almost infinity power to de-powered depending on the story. Thor has been pretty much consistent across all story lines.
not voted Let me debunk something first
Superman never showed weakness to magic instead he showed resistance to it when Black Adam and shazam hit him with their lightning blasts let's just say he isn't invulnerable to magic .
Now here are some feats Superman Vaporized half and galaxy and sneezed away all the solar systems and bench pressed earth for 5 days straight and he lifted spectre also I have to say he also lifted book of infinity because he was pure of heart and makes him capable of wielding mjolnir which he already done it he also one shotted thor in that crossover he also defeated hulk and Hercules while thor stalemated Hercules and got beaten up by hulk . Superman defeated darkseid he is also fast enough to travel 20 light years away from earth in matter of minutes he can speed blitz thor also thor got speed blitz by people who isn't even fast as spider man like wolverine that's why they call him slowdinson
Thor Okay, all that evidence of Superman lifting Eternity and Infinity has been debunked so many times it doesn't even count as "evidence". In fact, they're outliers. Superman needed help to lift the Spectre and he dropped the book of infinite pages. For him to actually do it, Superman's strength would have to be infinite and he wouldn't have needed any help carrying the Spectre nor would he have dropped the book.
Thor@Omegabeams_spam Almost everything you said is opposite to the truth. Superman is weak against magic which is why it's said so many times in the comics and has good effect on him too.
Spectre called Superman's angriest punches "snowflakes" and would not allow Superman to leave. Moving the solar system has since been retconned. That was pre-crisis Superman.
Thor let Superman use Mjolner, afterwards he couldn't. He never one shotted Thor in fact he called it the hardest fight of his life. It was revealed Thor held back.
Superman can't beat Hulk. Never has never will.
not voted@_holy_Joe_
Nope it wasn't debunked at all and it still count as a evidence . superman didn't even need the help of wonder woman to lift spectre because superman pulled the entire galaxy by himself .
I never downplayed any character don't blame me ( Blame the writers) I just say what I read in the comics . Thor got beaten by Street level characters also wolverine did speed blitz thor and thor didn't even go after spiderman because spiderman was too fast for him to catch
Also being invisible to the human isn't really a great feat just like galactus said . Superman went 20 light years away from earth and when crisis happened he arrive in earth in matter of minutes he also tagged the flash and caught him and he was keeping up with Jay garrick
Wielding mjolnir isn't about thor giving permission it was built for the pure of heart people or whoever doesn't regret what they did
Again if thor throw mjolnir at superman he can react to it or wield it himself and beat thor
Thor defeating galactus and being faster than silver surfer ?? Even in superman's feats it shows he is faster than flash and supergirl one shotted anti monitor who is 10x times stronger than Galactus which makes superman capable of doing the same thing
Thor escaped the black hole ? Guess what superman was holding the black whole in his hand
Superman have invulnerability while thor can easily get killed by piercing weapons
not voted@Tyrannus
Give me a proof that magic effects superman then I will believe .. like I said superman showed resistance to pure magic lightning blasts from Shazam and Black Adam , if magic effects on superman than he should've been dead by now instead he defeated shazam .
Yeah spectre did call superman's angriest punches " snowflakes " because it was compared to him and you do realize he is the 5th strongest character in Dc Universe after Michael and Lucifer but here is a feat of superman angriest punch.
Mongul is invulnerable to harm, it takes more than just physical strength to take him down but Superman let loose against Mongul with a powerful punch, banishing him into a black hole
Yeah I know moving all solar systems are Pre-Crisis but it also means the post-crisis superman can do the same thing .
Thor didn't let superman to wield his mjolnir, he was wielding it himself but then he refused to kill and he couldn't wield it after that .
Nope the writers were drunk it wasn't his hardest fight of his life because there wasn't any single scratch on superman when he fought Thor but he was injured badly when he fought doomsday also superman defeated Hercules while thor was struggling fighting Hercules and they ended up draw .
Bruh thor getting getting defeated by superman and he was holding back ? I mean wow the logic you do realize superman was also holding back in all of his fight except fighting with doomsday
Yeah superman did defeat hulk in crossover hell yeah even batman knocked out hulk with his mighty kick
Thor@Omegabeams_spam I mean it's common knowledge that Superman is weak against magic.
Shazam said Superman never does any good against magic in Superman/Batman Public Enemies. It's because of that fact that Shazam has beaten Superman before. Superman's even admitted to the Phantom Stranger that his powers don't work against magic. This link sums it up https://www.quora.com/Is-Superman-really-weak-to-magic
Spectre's probably higher that 5th which makes your claim that he can lift Spectre void.
No. Part of the reason why pre-crisis happened was because Superman was too powerful. He hasn't been that powerful since.
Thor lets him use Mjolner. Read the comic.
Claiming the writers were drunk is being stupid now. Do you mean Superman should have lost to Thor then? Superman's costume was torn and he was visibly tired. Superman doesn't hold back when he fights tough opponents. He's admitted he has to go all out when fighting Black Adam for example.
Hercules actually beat Superman Wonder Woman and Yellow Lantern in Injustice. This was a Superman who doesn't hold back anymore and he still lost.
Superman never beat Hulk, he just calms him down. He even admits as Hulk gets angrier the outcome suddenly becomes uncertain showing that Hulk would eventually overpower Superman. What you said about Batman was completely wrong. Batman kicks his stomach so Hulk would breath in the gas he threw. Even then that makes no sense because Hulk would have just backhanded Batman killing him and his healing factor should have negated the gas.
Thor Ummm no Superman called Thor his toughest opponent
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Then Hercules came over and knocked out superman
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Thor Thor's gonna win this. It's gonna be a close fight, but Thor is gonna win.
Speed--Superman is a bit faster, but Thor has beaten faster opponents
Strength--Equal
Durability--Superman
Power--Thor
Thor's magic and hammer is extremely powerful, and nothing can stop it's return to Thor's hand, not even Superman. Superman is known for being unhurt by gunfire, but he can be harmed by things other than kryptonite, and magic is one of them. Because of this, Thor has the ultimate advantage. All of Superman's power would wound Thor, but a hit from Thor's lightning with the power of asgard is also a tough hit, even for Superman.
Thor@emptyhand it was a joke. I had more reason behind it. Supermans powers are removed when under a red sun. Thors powers are eternal not made from his genetic make up. Besides, Livewire has simular powers to thor and she was able to beat him with her powers several times. Then you ad that power from thor timesing it by ten superman doesnt stand a chance.
Superman BASE Superman vs BASE Thor both bloodlusted Superman will win 7/10. Superman base has punched hard enough to draw blood from the phantom stranger, this feat lowball is high-multiversal keep in mind this is his base. He has also been able to fight on par with black adam who has his own set of multiversal feats. Like when he hurt the spectre and by himself defeated the entire JSA. (https://m.imgur.com/a/bp7QI). (https://m.imgur.com/a/FCtNI) (https://images.app.goo.gl/Rgm4Cr6Rc7CuofWU7
Thor Come ON guys. Please stop ******* Superman and downplaying Thor, *and for some people, STOP acting like Superman is fodder and Thor is above Anti-Monitor, thank you very much.* Thor isn't getting blitzed or pummeled into oblivion. Superman isn't getting one-shotted or transmuted into helium 2 seconds before the fight starts because Thor does NOT transcend time, but guess what? Superman doesn't either. It's a close fight.
Thor Okay, this downplay of Thor's speed needs to seriously stop. Thor's not that slow, Superman can't speed blitz him that easily and you all know it. On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Superman Supes still faster than Thor,stronger,and more invulnerable. Current Superman maybe loose,but Silver Age Superman would stomp every form of Thor even RKT.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Thor@shadowatti I hope you know rkt defeated a group of 5 beyonders and it only took 3 to kill the living tribunal
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Thor CA Superman is not greater than the living tribunal 😂 if he was he wouldn't be losing the battle and ca Superman can't beat rkt because he's omnipotent
Thor Lt blink stomps the thought robot no feat nor hype nor evidence can prove he is above the living tribunal
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
Thor "Cas is outerversal"you have no evidence of that claim and you have no evidence he's above the living tribunal (which he's not you can debate me on it)"rkt not even multiversal"except for the fact that he killed 5 beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal who is outerversal so yes rkt is outerversal
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
Superman So you say RKT is above Lucifer and Michael too? :D It's funny. Those Beyonders were weak and just because they could defeated LT,it means nothing. LT has never been outversal btw,stop ******* The Living Tribunal,who isn't even stronger than Unbound Spectre.
Thor "So you say rkt is above Lucifer and Michael too"?Well that ones up for debate but rkt is outerversal
"It's funny those beyonders were weak"they weren't weak it was never implied nor hinted at
"Lt has never been outerversal btw"except he is and has shown it like when he held the amalgam brothers with one hand
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5754727-7368726379-12309.jpg
The same people who ragdolled the spectre
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers2.jpg
So my point still stands Rkt>beyonders>lt>spectre>cas>any other version of Superman
Superman That comic was not canon,so LT still not outversal.
Marvel hasn't got outversal characters.
Unbound Spectre>LT>Spectre .
CAS=PR Beyonder>LT>Rkt
Thor Here the lt stands above eternity and infinity (both of which are high hyperversal)so he has power greater than high hyperversal which is outerversal so yes lt is outerversal
https://m.imgur.com/nKFqaOs
"Marvel hasn't got outerversal characters"um hello have you never heard of pr beyonder or molecule man or god emperor doom or hotu thanos?I can name more but I'm just to lazy to type them all
"Unbound spectre>Lt>spectre.
CAS=PR Beyonder>Lt>Rkt"
Unbound spectre got one shotted by Michael demurgios who didn't even go all out
CAS gets one shotted by PR Beyonder(id like to debate on that)
"Lt>Rkt"no he isn't LT was killed by beyonders the same group of people that rkt oneshotted
So my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>Lt>>>CAS
Superman CA Superman stomps RKT, CA Superman is as strong as he needs to be to win. And he even if RTK is stronger than CAS then he will just increase in power and surpass RTK https://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Thor If he can increase his power to win then why did mandrakk injure him beyond repair and kill him?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
Thor Thought robots a overrated jobber who had to throw mandrakk into the over monitor just to win https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11129/111291753/5451796-2643562619-54510.jpg
Superman Still CAS at base is still high multiversal and he will get stronger than anyone he fights, you haven't disproved me, Read the scan (https://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium) just cause you don't believe doesn't disprove it, it is stated in the scan.
Thor "Still cas at base is still high multiversal"and rkt is omnipotent equal to the one above all so that puts him infinitely above the thought robot
"Just cause you don't believe it doesn't disprove it,it is stated in the scan"so going by your logic then the living tribunal is Omnipotent because it was stated https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108047/2046547-omnipotetnt.jpg
So then rkt one shotted 5 beyonders and it only took 3 beyonders to beat the living tribunal so my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>>CAS
Superman PR Beyonder is the strongest marvel character (Under TOAA) and he is not outversal. There is no outversal character in marvel except Toaa.
also HOTU Thanos isn't canon.
Michael one shotted the Spectre who is much stronger than Pr Beyonder and MM and LT. Unbound Spectre wouldt still win against RKT and LT.
Cas>LT>Rkt.
Thor "PR Beyonder is the strongest marvel character (Under TOAA) and he is not outversal"pr beyonder is beyond everything he is beyond marvel beyond dimensions and beyond any power in the multiverse and has shown multiple outerversal feats
"Also hotu thanos isn't canon"What does being canon have to do with anything everything is canon just some things aren't head canon
Just because something isn't canon doesn't mean it can't be taken into account
Using your logic then I claim dc has no outerversal characters because Lucifer Morningstar and Michael demurgios aren't canon.
"Spectre would still win against rkt and lt"How would the spectre beat rkt if he's omnipotent?and stop dodging this question
"Cas>Lt>Rkt"
Absolutely wrong 💀😂
Are you genuinely dumb?Ive proven to you that rkt already killed beyonders which killed the living tribunal so rkt>lt>cas
Why don't you wanna debate me on cas vs lt?
And for the "marvel has no outerversal characters"it does actually the beyonders are outerversal and so is lt (he is above multi eternity and infinity who are high hyperversal.power greater than high hyperversal is outerversal)lt sits on a throne outside creation itself
God emperor doom is outerversal,molecule man is outerversal,so is hotu thanos,regulator thanos,god quarry thanos,king thanos,multi oblivion,pre retcon molecule man,and beyonder are all outerversal
Superman Only TOAA outversal in marvel. Unbound Spectre>CAS>LT>RKT. Btw Michael is much stronger than Pr Beyonder so yes Michael one shots Spectre. So is LT. CAS=Pr Beyonder. CAS=Pr Beyonder>LT>>>Rkt.
Thor "Only TOAA outerversal in marvel"no I just listed about 20 people who are outerversal and you can't prove that none of them aren't outerversal
"Unbound spectre>CAS>LT>Rkt"
Okay so explain exactly how CAS is above the living tribunal and how the living tribunal is above rkt when Rkt killed beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal
All your doing is restating yourself I've debunked all of your claims and you still have yet to debunk any of mine
"CAS=PR Beyonder"no beyonder one shots the thought robot who couldn't even beat mandrakk the same guy who was injured by green lantern
Superman Your list is wrong. No one on that list are outversal. Beyonder hasn't shown any outversal feats so rkt and Lt.
Lucifer and Michael aren't canon so dc has no outversal characters you said. And you say I am dumb...:D Both of Luci and Michael are canon,and there are many outversal feats in dc,if you want to ignore the angels. For example Monitor Mind is canon. :)
So yes Hotu Thanos is still not canon so it doesn't matter.
rkt is not omnipotent :D Rkt has never been omnipotent,are you trolling?
Nope,u wrong. CAS is stronger than LT so Cas>Lt>>>Sword of Superman>>>rkt...
Pr Beyonder can never one shots TH. They 're equal or almost equal. Btw in my opinion Cas is stronger by feats.
Cas is outversal while LT,Rkt is not.
Thor "Your list is wrong"how is it wrong beyonder himself is outerversal and proved it when he was way to big for the multiverse and nearly destroyed it by existing https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125547/3344653-scan1.jpg
"Luci and Micky are canon"no there not there both vertigo characters which don't directly apply to dc universe
And how is oblivion not outerversal his true form would literally kill you if you even stared at it
"Rkt is not omnipotent"yes he is in the words of the author himself
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9bc771060ac17cfa150410cb64cd264
He controls everything he wants making him omnipotent
And how does beyonder not one shot TR
Superman Nah,Beyonder feats prove only that he is high multiversal,not outversal.
Nah Luci and Mich is canon, Luci has already met with the jla in the comic. Also Vertigo is a part of dc. :) Presence is the creator of DC universe and his childs are Luci and Mich.
Oblivion still not outversal.
RKT is a low budget omnipotent maybe in the 3D realm but thats all. Weak as Infinity Gauntlet and he looses badly against CAS.
CAS and Beyonder are equal or almost equal maybe PR Beyonder a lil' bit stronger but if it's true this is still not a one shot. So that's how Beyonder doesn't stomp Cas.
Thor No if your greater than all of existence then your outerversal
And no vertigo is supposed to account for things that happen outside of dc (non canon things like luci)
And how is oblivion not outerversal if he can kill the reader?Please explain how that isn't outerversal
And no rkt isn't omnipotent in a 3D scale there's no such thing as omnipotence in different dimensions your either omnipotent or not
So yeah rkt is omnipotent
And beyonder is way more powerful than the tr
TR couldn't beat mandrakk and had to throw him into the overmonitor and then died shortly after
And if TR is outerversal then why isn't beyonder since you say there "equals"
Superman Nope if u greater than existence than you are metaversal,not outversal :)
Vertigo story is canon and it's a part of DC.
Oblivion has never shown that he can kill the reader. He still lives in the creation and he has no impressive feats.
Rkt is not omnipotent,only in the 3d realm and it still not sure. And there is a difference between 3d and higher dimensional omnipotence.
So yeah Rkt is not omnipotent,Rkt is nothing even compared Silver Age Superman. :)
Mandrakk is stronger than the beyonder and i changed my mind CAS godstomps the beyonder,he is nothing.
Thor No if your greater than all of existence then your outerversal
Hence the name "outer"versal
And no vertigo isn't part of dc it's supposed to show all different branch realities
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/37/Oblivion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130702041935
Here oblivion takes over the comic in order to confront you and states that the way you see him is an illusion and that if he stared at you in his true form you would cease to exist.The only reason why he doesn't kill you is because it wouldn't really please him
So yes oblivion is outerversal
And no rkt killed 5 beyonders
It took 3 to kill the living tribunal who is outerversal
The living tribunal transcends all of marvel (which is composed of infinite dimensions)and all other multi abstracts like eternity (who are all infinite dimensional)and are only a fraction of his being
And those beyonders killed him
And rkt killed them so no rkt is omnipotent In a outerversal scale
And no tr is a fodder who couldn't beat mandrakk
And here we see mandrakk being hurt by green lantern
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23992/4746094-final%20crisis%20007-027.jpg
So no beyonder would one shot the thought robot who died after throwing mandrakk into the over monitor http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
Superman No if u greater than existence you aren't outversal. :)
Vertigo is a part of dc in fact. Is it hurt you? I can understand it because Luci and Michael together can stomp the whole marvel fiction after TOAA has been nerfed.
Oblivion is not that strong man,stop talking silly things. Oblivion is almost equal with Eternity,who is nothing in this leauge.
RKT is not stronger than Beyonders :DD Rkt is a universal fodder nothing more In 3D scale.
CAS has beaten Mandrakk,who can destroy Rkt with ease. CAS>>>Lt>>>Rkt.
And well no again. Beyonder can't one shot CAS. Cas would punch the sht out of Beyonder.
Thor No if your beyond dimensions,space,and time (like TLT,oblivion,beyonder,and just about anyone above the living tribunal)then you are outerversal
Stop denying that oblivion is outerversal just because it ruins your argument.You can ask @EmptyHand@Oblivion@DarkWing@Jongensoden
And they'll all say that oblivion is outerversal
And your saying that vertigo is canon because it's apart of DC
So by using your logic I can claim that HOTU,Regulator,And God quarry thanos are all canon because it's apart of marvel
And no CAS loses badly to Pre retcon beyonder
And also that whole "TOAA was nerfed"wasn't actually TOAA it was the above all others who is just an aspect of TOAA not actually TOAA
TOAA=TOBA=>RKT>Pre retcon beyonder>Beyonders=GED>CAS>Mandrakk
And also please explain how RKT isn't stronger than beyonders if he one shotted them?
Superman Hahh LT and Oblivion is not outversal.
Oblivion is on Eternity's level.
They're all saying he is outversal so what? The whole ComicVine is saying that he isn't,so do i.
Vertigo is a part of DC in fact you can check out and it is canon not just because it's a part of dc universe.
HOTU story isn't a part of marvel and it is non-canon you can look after that too.
Nope, CAS still stomps Beyonder out of existence without trying.
That was the real TOAA who is not omnipotent anymore because of nerf.
TOAA>>>Pr Beyonder>Pr Molecule Man>NonCanon Hotu Thanos>Protege>Oblivion>God Doom>Beyonders(Ivory dudes)>LT>>>>so many > Chaos King >>>Punny Rkt who is only universal and it has proven. TOAA>Cas(stpid plot machine)>Pr-Beyonder>>> >>> >>> Rkt slowdinson.
Beyonders are weak. They are only on Lt's level and its nothing compared CAS,exspecially they aren't outversal lol.
Thor How is living tribunal not outerversal I've already proven to you how he is and all you do is say "no he's not"like dude your getting destroyed your only argument is "no it's not true because I said so"and who cares about what the people on comic vine think if they're the same people who called odin planetary
And you still have yet to prove how vertigo is canon all your doing is saying that it is but still haven't proven it
And please prove how oblivion is only on eternity level if I've already shown you how he's outerversal and all you do is say "no he's on eternity level"
And even then In the chaos war story the chaos king had nearly killed eternity and it was then revealed that the chaos king was simply a infinitely small aspect of oblivion
And how are the beyonders only on the Living tribunal level if there the same people who killed him
Rkt is omnipotent as I've already proven to you and how is he universal if the living tribunal (the cosmic overseer of marvel beyond all dimensions,space,and time which would make him outerversal)who was killed by the beyonders (who are also outerversal)were killed by Rkt
And until you provide evidence for anything you claim then I'll dismiss it as false
Also let me explain how beyonder one shots thought robot
You see thought robot was hurt by the power of 52 universes
Meanwhile beyonder was stated to be "millions of times"more powerful than the multiverse (which is composed of infinite universes I'm marvel)https://imgur.com/F4KYtNF
And also here's some confirmation that the above all others is only an aspect of TOAA https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Above_All_Others
Superman First of all I don't need to prove you anything exspecially because you can find these facts on the internet and in the comics.
After that you have never proven to me that LT is outversal you talking about stupid things starting with Rkt is above CAS . LT is not outversal,LT is a jobber compared to dc heavy hitters like Perpetua for example.
Vertigo is a part of DC while HOTU isn't.
On comic vine there are some interesting silly people,but the most of users are fine and experienced about comics,so yeah you can check comic vine and many sites which will prove you my arguements instead of me. You and your ideas is one versus so many ppl,and im sure about that they know better than you.
I can also say that rkt is a fodder and he is much weaker than LT even Silver Age Superman lol.
Oblivion is still not outversal and CAS would beat the shieet out of Pr.Beyonder. He is a plot device,he can always adapt the story. Against CAS ,Beyonder has no power any longer.
Only TOAA was outversal in marvel corps and it has been retconned too.:DD
There is only Ret.Toaa now this is the ugly truth accept it marvel guy. :) The One Above Almost All...
Thor Okay so first of all don't insult me about being stupid if you can't spell to save your life
And second of all how is the lt not outerversal your making yourself look stupid by claiming he is bound by dimensions and time when he is above both of those concepts (infinity and eternity)
Third of all how are you going to claim something without proving it I've shown you multiple pieces of evidence to debunk every single claim you've made and your excuse is "no it's not true because I said so"
Hotu and every single other "nOn cAnOn" story is part of marvel so therefore it is canon according to your standards
Also how are you going to have a debate and say "I don't have to prove anything" you are far by the worst debater I've ever met if you think you don't have to prove your claims
So I'm going to use your logic and say that base Thor solos all of DC because I said so
And don't call me a fanboy when you claim that the pre retcon beyonder isn't outerversal and that the thought robot would beat him because he's a "plot device"
But yet he failed to actually beat mandrakk in raw power and died in his own issue
Not only that but he was injured by 52 universes while beyonder was stated to be more powerful than a million multiverses
Thank you once again for proving your arrogance this is probably the easiest debate I've had in a while
Not only that but I've proven to you that oblivion is also outerversal and you claim he isn't because you've seen some guy on comic vine say so
Superman OK dude you have just proven that you aren't ok. I never have called you stupid I only said u talking stupid things.
Let's play your game then. First of all you don't know what does outversal mean thats why u sayin eternity and infinity outversal. They are only universal.
Second of all you still didn't prove me anything ,you only saying stupid things but its ok for a guy who can't understand what does outversal mean. You can think it you're right.
HOTU is not canon while Vertigo is.
Also i don't want to debate you i just typed here to my opinion thats all. I dont't have to prove anything exspecially because if you aren't mental you can look after my arguements on the internet,where are many sites and many pepople that can explain you to my opinions.
And my logic is still more valid than your silly things. Thor never can solo DC even Green Lantern with white ring. :D
pr. beyonder isn't outversal and CAS would **** him not just because he is a plot device. :) It's just one thing why he can destroy the entrie marvelverse.
Btw CAS has stomped Mandrakk who can also beat Beyonder anyways.^^
The sad thing is that u haven't debated me and you are the only one who have any arrogance here but it is not a problem for me silly dude.
Comic Vine people have already proven that Oblivon is not outversal too. The only difference is that you are 1 guy who don't even know what he says and you have proven that many times for example rkt is stronger than CAS, Eeternity is outversal versus so many guy who have interesting arguements and legit opinions with so much comicbook knowedge. :)
Well thats all have a nice day.
Thor Okay so first of all I never claimed that eternity and infinity are outerversal this entire time I claimed that the living tribunal is (which I've already proven to you a million times he is so yes he is outerversal)Second of all eternity and all infinity are hyperversal (eternity is the sum of all existence and is infinite dimensional and infinity was stated to be his equal)
Second of all don't call me stupid when your using fake terms like "MetAvErSal"and then claim that "yOu hAvEnT pRovEn ANyThIng"when I've shown you about 20 scans proving every single one of my claims
You probably can't even count to ten
Can't spell outerversal so you spell it outversal
How dense is your skull if your so biased to dc and claim that the thought robot could potentially solo marvel
And third of all STOP DENYING THAT OBLIVION IS OUTERVERSAL IF MARVEL THEMSELVES CONFIRM HE IS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/p4PnWF6IhWGYkgjvf2ZWAY54e6fftRzuFe8gF-DQzvfZu0ApHMpB7wpV79s3_7KInbMJc8z9kqSi=s0
You can't deny oblivion is outerversal anymore because marvel themselves support me regardless of what your biased comic vine fanboys tell you
Pr beyonder is outerversal and he'd slap the thought bot garbage
And you have a nice day to :)
Btw if you weren't trying to debate then why even bother replying you just wasted both of our time?
Superman Ok so first of all u haven't proven me that LT is outERversal,what you did is only talking about stpid things so no he is not outerversal.
Second of all Eternity and Infinity are only universal.
Third of all you corrected me about outERversal so pls let me correct you too. After second of all you should use third of all,not second of all again.
You can't even count nor use punctuation marks.
And u started to call me stupid because you can't even read tho.
TR can still solo Marvel except maybe TOAA.
And finally i don't stop anything if i'm right. Oblivion is not outerversal.
Nope CAS still murderstomp that non-outerversal pr belower.
Superman You are the only one who has mental illnes,and you have proven it many times in our conversations. You haven't got even a brain i guess.
Also you don't even know your own universe where you are one of the biggest fanboy ever and talking a lot of shi*s about it.
I did spell it correctly but now i know you are blind too not only an idiot.
If you want tell me how to spell words correctly first you should learn it S T U P I D bot.
I will answer till you can't stop being an ***hole because you are so funny and i have fun a lot on you dude.
Im sure you're just trolling because i can't believe that you're serious if you are then something is not really ok in your head.
Thor Illness*
"You haven't even got even a brain I guess"
I can't even understand what you meant by that was that an insult?
And how don't I understand what universe I'm from?Better yet you mind elaborating on what that even means?
I'm sorry your extremely illiterate I'm literally losing brain cells reading this.
You spelled what correctly?If your referring to outerversal then no you didn't 😂 you spelled it "oUtvEsAl"
First learn what?Spelling?I make grammar mistakes but no where near as much as you.
"I will answer till you can't stop being an ***"
Can*
"I have a lot of fun on you dude"
I didn't know you can have fun on top of someone but ok buddy
"I'm pretty sure your trolling"
No I really ain't,better yet can you prove the thought robot can solo all of marvel with feats?Last time I checked majority of people in marvel don't get hurt by the power of 10 billion suns sooo...
Thor I agree with @EmptyHand. Thor doesn't body Superman. Thor makes Superman eat his s**t, b***h slaps him a couple of times, and then sets Mjolnir on top of Superman so that Superman can think about why he would ever try to fight him.
Thor The problem I have with most of these fights is that nobody really specifies which version of a character they're using I have seen a few that do but in this case it's base form versus base form so using Feats outside of sand forms seems redundant since they can't be taken into account. That being said I gave the victory to soar primarily due to his vast experience in fighting powerful foes I'm having Magic on his side doesn't hurt either and what a lot of people don't understand is that magic can hurt Superman but he's not weak to it it's not like hitting them with a fireball is going to burn him. Mjolnir has an infinite capacity for energy absorption which could very easily be used to absorb the solar energy that strapped in Superman cells not that he would do that but he could I think that a debate like this should take into account the factors of what could happen not just stats or alleged feats. Though I gave the win to Thor I will say that it will not be an easy when I would say that maybe 55% of the time Thor would come out on top mostly because of his fighting experience as well as his vast array of powers that has Hammer gives him. I do give Superman props in this fight due to his speed and actual ability to fly where is Thor doesn't really fly he just holds on to his hammer.
Superman Even though I voted Superman, I think there actually equal. Both characters are the mightiest beings in their respected universes. Both lifts entire planets, defeated gods, defeated reality-threatening villains, and could bust anything in their path. Both could win a fight here and there, Stalemate.
Thor Surely if you believe that then you wouldn't vote or what I'm trying to do and vote for whoever has the least votes at the time to make the vote a tie
Superman Superman's speed is so ridiculous I have no idea how anyone thinks Thor could react to him. Superman caught up to and destroyed reality-blitzing missles, which were said to sterilize the entire universe in a single heartbeat. This feat is lowballed at Sextillions of times faster than light. He's also crossed the entire universe in 60 days, which is trillions of times faster than light. He can react in a femtosecond. I think Supes and Thor are pretty close in most other categories, with some slight edges, but Superman's speed and reaction times are insane. Thats what gives Superman the edge.
Thor The silver surfers has been able to cross a galaxy 5 times in one second and Thor kept up with him and beat him Thor is just as fast if not faster than Superman
Superman Superman routinely keeps pace with the flash who outran instant teleportation. Flash dwarfs surfer in speed. Superman is faster than surfer. His missile feat is Sexdecillions of times faster than light. Btw surfer didn't actually cross 5 times in one second. He used a shortcut to cross that distance.
Thor I actually searched up how fast the feat was and the speed is only 36.5 quadrillion times faster than light not sixdecillion and flash is absolutely faster than Superman flash has outright admitted it and so has supes
Superman Can i see where you found that? Because the consensus for that feat is that it's much faster than that. Regardless, flash is much faster than surfer and superman has matched his speed and reacted to him before. He's only slightly slower than barry, who is significantly faster than Surfer. Superman has way faster reaction feats too. Thor is not as fast as supes.
Superman Supes and flash have fought on multiple occasions. People on this site are split on the fight. Flash does not stomp supes. It does make sense to compare. Flash is faster than surfer and superman has kept pace with the flash, therefore he is faster than thor. I have numerous speed and reactionary feats for superman that blow thor's out of the water if you'd like to see. He's even broken the barriers of time, space, and life before.
Superman I said thor, not surfer.
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Thor Incorrect actually not once has it been stated that he crossed the universe in a heartbeat but the missles took an hour to cross the universe (and that's a highball you have zero evidence that proves it was in seconds)not only that but you also doubled the size of the dc universe your taking all of it out of context and applying things that haven't even been stated so like I said
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Superman Dude it literally says in the comic that the missiles were going to sterilize the entire universe in a heartbeat. In that scan it says Superman was teleported across half of the universe, 100 trillion light years. So twice that is 200 trillion light years. Nowhere does it say that it took an hour. It says a heartbeat. I'm not taking anything out of context. I showed you proof of the length of the universe and that it was in a heartbeat. So Superman's feat > Surfer's feat.
Superman https://imgur.com/a/voGE9
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
Thor Actually the one that I said was a mid ball (I wanted to be neutral since I wanted to lowball it but you wanted to high ball it so I figured to go with the middle end)but Thor once travelled a whole universe away before an alien could finish praying https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-504fca2295796e1e7e5484c8806d2653
Superman In that comic Thor implies he was in Asgard at the time. You can see the portall effect from the bifrost hitting the ground in the scan you posted. Also check this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/speed-who-can-replicate-this-thor-feat-1906058/
Most users agree he is teleporting.
Thor And if he did use the bifrost then why didn't he use it while leaving the planet there's nothing that even implies that he used the bifrost so I don't really see where your getting that from
Thor No actually I'm reading the comic nowhere does it state he's in Asgard and neither does it show the teleporting effects from the bifrost stop making things up
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
Superman He implies he's in Asgard. I'm not making things up. You can also clearly see the effect in the second panel. You have no evidence to show that this is a speed feat. It doesn't show Thor flying at all and the only discussion I could find on this feat shows that most people think he is teleporting. You need to prove this is a speed feat.
Thor "He implies he's in Asgard"no he doesn't he just simply states that he's a warrior from Asgard
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
Superman Look man, regardless of our perceptions of the feat, you're the one claiming it's a speed feat and that it's as fast as Superman. You haven't provided any evidence that it's a speed feat. It doesn't show him flying at all. He simply appears. This is consistent with teleporting, and not at all with flying. Prove with evidence from the comic that this is a speed feat, since you're the one claiming it is. Until you do, and also provide proof that it's as fast as Superman, it can be dismissed.
Thor Okay so let's use common sense
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
Thor Flash has stated that when he races Superman and gives him a chance it's usually for charity or something like that. During the Justice graphic novel Superman states that whenever they race he felt like Flash always held back.
Superman 1. The portal effect can be seen
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
Thor "1.You can see the teleporting effect"no you can't ive already proven to you that it's just mjolnir hitting the ground the narration further proves my point
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
Superman 1. Let's just agree to disagree. He isn't flying at all though
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
Thor "1.Lets just agree to disagree"how about we agree that your argument isn't getting you anywhere all your doing is repeating yourself after being debunked
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
Superman 1. You haven't debunked s**t. Mjolnir hitting the ground doesn't mean he flew. He hovered after he appeared. Your evidence is bad. End of story.
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
Thor (To lazy to quote you so just know that each number is supposed to represent an answer to your argument)
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
Superman Nice ad hominem. I don't have to quote you. Also, some punctuation would really help you. You sound like you're 10 years old.
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
Thor 1.I didn't say to circle mjolnir I said to circle the teleporting effect quit dodging that question
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
Superman 1. I corrected myself
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
Superman Superman can also do that.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Superman Don't remember the exact issue, but it's in the issue when he survived the death of the universe: caused by the literal personification of Death. He broke through the barriers of space and time to fight the angel of death. Look that up and I think you'll find it.
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
Thor Or Superman one shots Thor who is physically weaker than the Hulk who struggles to pull a planet back together. And even a small black hole is still infinite mass
Thor "Or Superman one shots Thor who is physically weaker than the hulk who struggles to pull a planet back together"but yet Thor lifts 20 planets with one hand here https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6927794e0811388638b1ec559dccdc0e
"And even a small black hole is still infinite mass"a black hole doesn't have infinite mass and even if it did you know there are levels to infinity right?
Superman Atomic, I think it's been established through our debate that you don't know what you're talking about. Please type with some grammar too.
That scan doesn't show thor lifting anything? I'm confused. If you're referring to the part later in the comic where he breaks free of the pressure of a "score of planets", that's misleading at best. He broke free of the energy construct but nowhere does it show him lifting the weight, not with one arm either. It isn't even 20 planets, it's an energy construct with the pressure of 20 planets that he broke free of. That isn't him lifting that amount.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/thor-feats-of-strength/amp/
Website agrees
Thor No it was the weight of 20 planets the only thing suggesting it's a energy construct is that there isn't literal planets there.And no I will type however I want this aint about grammar.And didn't that article show him pushing the world tree
You know the thing that holds all 9 realms
Which are universes
https://pm1.narvii.com/6440/0abfcf74265c34d385e24459e344bf089594cce3_hq.jpg
RUNE KING THOR IS GREATER THAN THE THOUGHT ROBOT
Superman It just makes it inconvenient to read.
The context of the World Tree feat is that its supporters like to claim it shows how Thor was strong enough to move the entire 9 Realms by pushing the World Tree Engine, an incalculable feat of strength. What they forgot to remember is that all Thor was doing was pushing the wheel that turned the engine for the World Tree, nothing else. And he was having trouble doing that as well, though I hear his powers were in flux or something at the time.
About the thought robot, I'd move the discussion to that page, not here. I haven't read much about RKT, but my only point is that CAS is incredibly broken. Though Robot is PIS in walking form. His power is literally plot manipulation, he can change the plot of the story to make himself win and can even sense the reader.
Thor Didn't he push the engine to?
And yeah he was unworthy at the time or sum like that so he wasn't at full strength
And would you like to discuss the thought robot vs rkt
Superman I think it was just the wheel based on the text, but there's no consensus on the feat. I haven't read a lot on rkt, so I might not have the full picture, but I do know at least a decent amount about thought bot. Im open to being swayed in that topic. I'd be fine discussing it
Superman Hmm that's tough. Thought Bot exists beyond the multiverse and can touch limbo and creation itself. He's also literally as strong as he needs to be: http://i.imgur.com/myZCk4L.png he can match his opponents strength. He can also sense the reader and adjust the plot to make himself win. That's OP AF. However I don't want to lowball LT here. He's literally the overseer of the entire multiverse, topped only by the beyonder and Toaa, if I remember correctly. He's insanely powerful. He's literally toyed with classic strange and swatted the infinity gauntlet. The only distinction is that Thought Bot exists on a higher plane than LT. Not same universe but still. I think it's possible, but not likely, given how broken Thought Bot is. It's literally walking PIS, the power to make itself win. So if they fought I think Bot at least takes the majority. But yeah, i'd say its possible.
Superman Sorry for the late reply. I know there's a group of beyonders that exist outside the multiverse. I think that's what you're talking about? I'm honestly unsure about this one. Both exist outside the multiverse, beyonders are nigh-omnipotent and TR is broken so I don't know what i'd say to that
Superman I feel like this is going in the direction of the "Thor beat a group of beyonders" argument. I read about that earlier. Those who sit above in shadow are celestial beings, but I highly doubt they're beyonders. Loki said "maybe beyonders" so he wasn't sure. Plus, Loki is god of mischief, so he could easily have been lying. Also, the beyonders and Those who sit above in shadow are separate characters on this site. I could be wrong, but I feel that the direction you're going is: "RKT beat a group of beyonders!", "Can TR?", "RKT>Beyonders>TR!" The A>B>C comparison is generally avoided in comic arguments. I don't want to accuse you of doing that, but just know that argument isn't always sound.
Thor Well it's not just that Loki said that they might have been beyonders but the fact that there first words were "verbatim" which means in word for word of the same group
You go read secret wars
And the beyonders first words were "verbatim"I highly doubt they'd just coincidentally say the same the word which mean in word for word of the same group and then later on hinted that they may be of the same race.It seems like a creative way of confirming it
It's a long story so I summarized it as best as I could
Superman@Clint_Barton Even if i grant you that Thor is automatically as fast as the surfer simply because he's beat him before, Superman still has better speed feats
Superman Superman(post crisis) has tanked Darkseid's omega beams and countered it with his heat vision. He'll easily avoid Thor's god blast or even if it hits him one won't kill him.
Thor If anything he's weakness to magic is understated because whenever people use magic and Superman in the same sentence the Superman defenders quickly say "Superman doesn't really have a weakness to magic" even though it's been stated many times in comics how it's a weakness
Superman No it isn't Joe. If magic was Superman's weakness then he'd never be able to beat Shazam, Black Adam, Doctor fate, etc. He just has no defense against it. Kryptonite is a weakness because once you expose Superman to kryptonite he loses his powers and can die. Magic can hurt him, but doesn't weaken him or take away his powers. There's a key difference. Let me give an example: Batman is vulnerable to being punched. Does that mean someone who can punch automatically beats him? Of course not. He is simply vulnerable to it. If you poisoned Batman, that's a weakness. He'd be extremely weak and might even die as a result. That's the difference. Supes has stood up against magic numerous times.
Superman Also, many of the magical beings Superman has fought and even beaten are as powerful if not more powerful than Thor. Such as Mordru, Doctor fate, Black Adam, and Shazam.
Thor@Mr_Incognito You've basically just described why Superman is weak against magic. Weaknesses don't all need to have the same effect. Superman's never defeated Back Adam or Dr Fate and he always struggles against Shazam
Superman@Tyrannus No, i described why he's hurt by it. Magic can hurt him, but it doesn't weaken him. The one time Superman and Adam fought in post crisis Superman was about to hit him with a moon destroying punch but stopped when he realized all the collateral damage he would cause. He was about to win. He beat Dr fate on earth 2. Him and shazam have both won in their fights. Also see Moreau and Claw of horus
Thor@Mr_Incognito Superman is invunerable to pretty much everything else. If someone was going up against and thought what can hurt him, krytonite and magic would come to mind. That's a weakness. It doesn't have to make Superman himself weak but he is weak against against.
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Superman This ignorance lol,superman tanked a magic attack that could destroy a universe,enchantress whose magic is far beyond thor's couldnt scratch him,he tanked from wizard (multiversal) while he was weakened even beat dr fate on earth2
Thor Superman's also been clapped many times by magic users like Shazam and Black Adam. Also when has Superman taken hits from universal destroying magic and the Wizard?
Superman Yes, but he's also beaten both of them. Superman fought on par with Mordru, one of the Lords of Chaos, who has universal levels of magical power. He was blasted by him several times and kept fighting. He's also been hit with the claw of horus, a magical item that hits with the force of a planet.
Superman@Tyrannus the one time adam and supes fought superman was about to win but stopped due to collateral damage. How did he cheat? He threw shazam in front of his own lightning. Regardless he fought on par with mordru who's a universal magical being. Also got hit with the claw. Magic is not a game ender for the man of steel. If anything, it's an annoyance
Thor I said he has to cheat when fighting Shazam not Adam. He's never been able to beat Adam. He stopped because Adam turned his back on him, nothing to do with collateral damage. If he was concerned about that he wouldn't have said that he needs to go all out when fighting Adam.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
Thor Superman was defeated by Batman, Muhammad Ali, Hawkman, and the Joker. Thor and Superman are really even. A fight between the two would last days.
Superman I am gonna end this lowball: I am open minded here and ready to change my opinion. But I think Thor wins:
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
Superman Kryptonian martial arts isnt an amp clint,and im sure you dont know anything about them so superman is stronger but you fandiot calling his consistent feats outlier,pis or similar bs thor isnt more durable wtf superman tanked multi universal attacks like nothing,youre lying gorr cucked him every time they throwed hands Thor has a larger set of powers,bs you literally know nothing about how powerul superman is or what is he capable of
Superman The only reason Superman ever lost to Batman and Joker was because they had kryptonite. Also he fought Ali on a planet with a red sun. He didn't have his powers. Not the same as Thor having his full powers and still getting blitzed.
Thor Shazam is not stronger than Thor. Thor, Shazam, Superman, Hulk, Hercules (Marvel), Wonder Woman, Sentry, and Martian Manhunter are around the same strength. Kal-el cant speedblitz, Thor has is a little slower than Silver Surfer (who is faster than Superman), but superman overall is a little faster. Thor has a major advantage in combat that I think he would win.
Thor I would say this is a fair point to make actually because it gives us an idea of what would actually happen of the two fought. The only thing is that the outcome was based upon fan votes and Superman is the most popular superhero in comics.
Superman Sups was in the lead by about 10 points but someone used a lot of alt accs to give Thor the edge, pathetic. sups is stronger, more durable, and faster, and smarter, that's just the truth and what the creater of the characters would say. But they might say Thor is more durable so I'm 50/50 on that one.
Superman@Bane stronger huh? Is that why he needed help to move Warworld and planet? More Durable? Lol. Thor has taken attacks from Odin, Odin is at least low multiversal. Faster? Well, that's arguable. But you are probably right. Smarter? Lmfao. Thor has 10000+ years of fighting experience. He is a warrior. He has beaten Hercules who is great fighter. Thor managed to hurt Odin, Thor hurts mikaboshi. I know you said you don't read much Marvel, but please, don't lowball The Mighty.
Superman Here is a response to whatever Akhil said
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
Thor Thanks for the compliments @MoP. I only said rude stuff twice and one of those times was when you asked me something that you should have known if you've read the comic and that kinda pissed me off. I'd gladly like to see that Bible of debunks BTY but I'd rather let you do what you want. And why can't you continue this debate?
Superman@Jon I doubt you beat current @Dark_Wing. I never debated you as @Darth_Doom. Remember when I one shotted you twice on Discord?
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
Superman Oof sorry. It is a Google Doc link. You must have a Google Doc account. Which means Email. So....yeah, I wouldn't sign in if you don't want your email exposed
Superman "In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast?" "Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who>Odin and Zeus" "Galactus has a reason to fear it
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
https://m.imgur.com/Yte4HSw
https://m.imgur.com/QsCAqWV
https://m.imgur.com/1Mn0Hzt
https://m.imgur.com/8gIu3Oe
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
Superman 'I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.'
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
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I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Superman "Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times."
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
Thor "Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on"
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
Thor "No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?"
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Thor@ManofPower - No....Thor was holding back against Wolverine to the fullest because he was a friend while Wolverine was trying to kill him and guess what....he COULDN'T kill Thor while Thor with a lightning blast put Wolverine down onto the ground so hard his mind-control "broke". Two, Loki is INSANELY powerful and this downplay is like saying Shazam beating Superman or Wonder Woman beating Superman is Superman being a weak *****. Gorr and Void are more powerful than Thor just like how Darkseid or Imperiex would be more powerful than Superman. Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor and more powerful than Superman too but in certain contexts, Thor has beaten the Surfer. Thor also beat Red Hulk....but you know, since you want to downplay Thor, let's look at the times Superman lost to Batman, but you know, let's ignore the context. Thor has beaten Hulk, Red Hulk, Enchantress, Loki, Surtur, Fenris, Sentry, Majeston Zelia, a weakened Galactus....you get my point. He fought beings like Thanos, Gorr, the Void,Zarathos, and Mephisto even if he knew he'd lose, and guess what? When Thor is bloodlusted, he has shown the capability to at least fight with these guys and other skyfather level beings...even if he couldn't win. He has SO much magical firepower and immeasurable amounts of physical might, regardless of the PIS and outliers.
Superman@Oblivion looks like you think n52 superman can beat Thor. That's pretty funny. Rebirth Superman doesn't stomp, infinite pages feat is debunked 6 trillon times every day.
Superman you didnt debunked a **** i stomped you every time we debate and infinite pages happened in post crisis era this is rebirth superman he does stomp go read it lol
Thor Lol, calm down @Oblivion. There's no need to get mad over other people's opinions. I personally think this could go either way, tbh, but I'm not completely saying Superman can beat Thor or Thor can beat Superman. Besides, it's not like one character can win all the time against another certain one. Try to have some respect for what the others think.
Thor@Oblivion Remember you started by calling this site full of ignorant Marvel fans. I voted Thor but I can see this going either way. I'm open to having my mind changed
Superman yes i did bc theyre ignorant marvel fans im saying this generally,no offense ofc there are open minded people like you,but rn this site is full of ignorant fandiots who thinks thor beats supes bc of some horrendous claims ,perhaps due to their lack of knowledge about dc
Thor It's Mostly bc Superman is weak vs magic and He barley beat Thor in other dc and marvel crossover comics
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
Superman You admit that supes beat thor
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
Superman Superman's weakness to magic isn't crippling he's just as vulnerable to magic as most other heroes. He's fought Shazam and Black Adam so Thor is nothing new.
Superman@Tyrannus Many people do. He would only be fighting against the odds if his opponent was equal to him or surpassed him AND possessed magic. A being with magic that Superman is above in power or speed would lose to Supes. He's only fighting the odds if the opponent is his equal or superior in every way and has magic. Since Thor is below Superman in more than one category, Supes is not fighting the odds here.
Superman Also, he has a point. Even if it's the case that his opponent is his equal and has magic, it doesn't mean too much. Superman has faced Shazam, Black Adam, Doctor Fate, Phantom Stranger, Mordru, and Hawkman with the Claw of horus and came out in one piece. He won some of those fights too. Magic only hurts Superman, he can shrug it off.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Claiming magic is an automatic win makes no sense in the same way having krytonite isn't an automatic win. If his opponent was equal to or stronger than Superman, magic wouldn't be needed. Magic helps make up the difference however Thor is already more than a match for Superman. His magic just seals the deal.
Superman's also lost a considerable amount of times to magic users too so that doesn't help him. Magic can kill him
Thor Simple One has weaknesses and the other doesn't, Also one has a god level weapon and the other doesnt, also one has magic and the other is weak to magic simple
Superman What are Superman's advantages?
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Thor Superman is faster: he's equal to the Flash who can move at 14 trillion times the speed of light
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
Superman 1. How Flash is 14 trillons time faster than light? Any proofs? And Clark is slower than Flash (Barry Allen).
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
Superman 1. Tbh, @DarkWing that is pretty impressive. But Superman isn't as fast as him.
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
Superman@Clint
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
Thor 1: what has Thor done that is faster?
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
Thor@MoP the GodBlast was a move that can kill Immortals like Skyfathers ie Odin who was stalemated Galactus and Galactus was hungry when Thor did that feat, it's not PIS. Thor didn't just beat Silver Surfer he went blow for blow with him being on par with him in speed.
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Superman@MoP do you know how strong godblast is? I have done some research, and I think God blast is at least universal (probably multi universal ) attack. And Thor has beaten SS, I mean he can beat a speedster means he can beat another. Thor's strength feats:
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
Thor Those calculations for the Midgard Serpent aren't accurate; they always ignore the fact that it's a magic shapeshifting being it's size has nothing to do with its weight, its weight is unknown.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
Superman@Dark_Wing okay listen:
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
Superman He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way, Supes is probably equal with him. His only advantage is godblast
Thor "He used it against Galactus and I think he will use because he can't gind an other way"
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Superman@Dark_Wing Did you read my comment? Dude, I ve written there thor has advantage is combat and experience. Others are about equal I have never said it is a stomp or Thor has every advantage. It very close so Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts.
Superman 1. Because combat and experience isn't going to do much in this battle.
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Thor "You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip."
Thor Is @ManofPower STILL trying to say Superman is more powerful than Thor? Even after our debate that I destroyed him in? As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't take his opinion seriously, guys.
Superman Wow...lol @SirSpidey, Are we not allowed to have opinions bruh?
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
Thor "Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit."
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
Superman Ouch, That was a good one. I'll return the favor soon
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Thor What? Darkseid at his peak is far above universal, he's on the same level as Galactus and Odin and here's your proof: 1: during the New 52 JL run Darkseid was able to defeat the Anti Monitor who was amped by the Anti Life Equation which is relative to The Source 2: during Final Crisis his fall (keep in mind he was mortally injured before this) just his fall would have destroyed the entire DC multiverse 3: he's been able to get into the Source Wall which is extremely impressive when you know what the Source Wall is 4: he can wield the Anti Life Equation which is a piece of The Source 5: he's strong enough to one shot Allen Scott who harnessed ALL of The Green 6: he could casually ragdoll Pre Crisis Superman which is still canon to him because of how he works which is explained in Final Crisis. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Thor Dc And s superman fanbois, for your kind information superman isn't worthy, in jl/av crossover thor let him to held his hammer. But at the end superman isn't able to pick that hammer again. READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY
Superman Here's the thing says the comics Thor will be weak and then become powerless within a minute away from his hammer also his electricity isn't magical enough to hurt him even though he's not any more vulnerable to magic than the average jo
Thor Bruh, Thor stopped having the Donald Blake identity in Thor #159 1960 where he became the full time God of Thunder and didn't even need Mjolnir to have his Thor powers.
not voted It's hard as hell. Thor is way more powerful than Superman, no doubt because he have powers like Transformation,Weather Control,Matter Manipulation,Thermo-blast,Energy Absorption,God Blast,Invisibility and Intangibility etc. And he is way more skilled in combat+ton of experience. He fought with Silver Surfer,who is faster than light and he can cross galaxies in seconds,so supes canno't really speedblitz him,it's just less possible scenario. Now Superman is way faster than Thor,cause he can reach speed of light easily, travel unthinkable speeds,and his is almost equal to Flash,so that will be a problem for God of Thunder. Supes also is probably stronger,because he can move entire solar system,lift 200 quntilion tons,lift infinity,his blows are creating shockwaves and he can create Infinity mass punch,Thor can lift 20 planets with one arm sure,but i don't really think that he be able to compete with supes with his bare strength alone,without his hammer. If he looking at Durability then it's close one,but i will give small edge to the Thor,because he doesn't have any weakness but Superman weakness are: Kryptonite,magic,red sun etc. And if Superman get's hit by GodBlast then it will most likely not survive it. It's close one but i will give 50/50 to the both,Thor can win in in certain circumstances if he will be prepared for supes speed and he will not holding back,and use his powers wisely. Superman can win if he will use his speed mostly do dodge Thor powerful attacks,and blows and cut lose for while to knock out thor by his strong blows.
Thor@Oblivion Superman's never been able to beat Black Adam or Dr Fate on earth 1. Superman's only ever been able to overcome Shazam by cheating or having help otherwise Shazam would kill him
Superman Superman is given the ability to fly, has extraordinary strength and is almost perfect, & Superman also has eyes that can fire hot lasers, can see from the largest size to microscopic or smallest size, can function as x-rays and radio waves
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Thor Even if it were canon, Thor still has the connection with the hammer. Even if Superman could lift it, Thor could take it away. It has 1 true wielder. But in the end, it's not canon. It was all fan voted for Christ sake.
Superman Superman is worthy so he can pick thor's Hammer so this one goes to supes. Plus the thought robot(superman) got plot manipulation and y'all fan boy tell me how Thor can beat that? So superman got this victory easy.
Superman Well, aren't you just *pleasant.* Version of Superman or not, The Thought Robot isn't not the one in this battle. Also this Superman is Post-Crisis Superman, just so you know.
Thor white shark, STUPID READ THAT COMIC PROPERLY, SUPERMAN WASN'T WORTHY, IT WAS THOR WHO UNDERESTIMATED SUPERMAN AND LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER. BUT AT THE END THEY SHOWED THAY SUPERMAN WASN'T ABLE TO HELD THOR HAMMER IN HIS HAND. AT THAT TIME THOR TOLD SUPERMAN THAT HE HIMSELF LET HIM TO PICK HIS HAMMER
Thor Some common knowledge for you apocalypse defeated a much younger Thor and that too can be considered as an outlier. It's like saying superman was knocked out by a supernova without knowing it was in his early days
Superman Thor has greater striking power because of Mjolnir,has a more diverse power set and has much more combat experience. But Superman is much faster and people overstate how vulnerable he is to magic. He's weak to it but he's just as vulnerable to it as most heroes in DC.
Thor Superman Is a little stronger and faster, but Thor may be too durable and trained. It is one of the closest fights ever, but Thor barely takes the win.
Superman There durability is pretty much even. Thor's combat experience is definitely an advantage but Superman's intelligence if often over looked. He can process information in a couple seconds that would take a supercomputer years. I love this fight though it's always sooo close I know I voted for Superman but either combatant has a great chance of winning.
not voted i have been studing andDC's Kryptonian hero used to be able to tow several planets back in the pre-crisis days - and he can still bench-press individual planets for days on end in the New 52 timeline - but classically he is capable of moving and cracking planets with great effort. He has held mini black holes in his hands, punched opponents into space and caught and thrown moon-sized spaceships.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
Thor Argubly each universe, Marvel and Dcs most powerful superheroes !
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
Thor I can see Thor winning this in a couple of ways. Since Superman's powered by the sun, Thor could summon a storm cloud to block out the rays. With the Gift of Forgetfulness, he can erase Superman memories or, since Superman has enhanced hearing, Thor could use the Mjolnir to create a deafening sonic boom.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
Superman This is extremely close and Both sides have a strong chance of winning. But Superman edges out Thor 5.5 time out of 10. Superman has better lifting strength but Thor has slightly better striking strength because of Mjolnir. Superman is much faster than Thor but in combat it's slightly more even. Thor's powers are more diverse but Superman's vulnerability to magic isn't as crippling as some people portray it as considering he's regularly fought Shazam and Black Adam. Both have shown they can physically hurt the other and tank whatever blows they throw at each other. This is going to be a long and close fight but Superman edges it out barley.
Superman It is one of the closest matchs. But Thor is god. GOD! He has better combat and his powers isn't just big strengh. Thor is god of thunder and if he gets Odin force (death of superR.I.P.)
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
And also
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
I just used it as an example.
@Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Yeah, but I am an OG. You are just a wannabe.
Then quit whining, you little b***h.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions.
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/704513847020748871/717583463896711199/image0.png
@Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.
@Akhil yee
Can't hit daredevil.
Mongoose blitzes.
Getting blitzed by spider-man.
Wolverine. I know that people call this pis but wanted to mention it anyways. Marvel Editor Tom brevoort admits Thor is slower in reflexes than wolverine.
He also says Thor is not a speedster.
Fails a speed test that Captain America did with ease.
1: that's because he's holding back. Prove Matt can do that again without Thor underestimating him. All that ever showed was Matt dodging one attack so why's it such and anti feat again?
2: nice try to only cherry pick two scans. Thor was keeping up and even forced him to flee once he showed him his true godly speed. Mongoose didn't blitz Thor, he didn't even win the fight. Mongoose couldn't even land a hit while Thor landed multiple hit! That second fight Mongoose only hit him because he dunked a bunch of poison gas on him and hit him while he was suffocating and weakened. Already proven that run is inconsistent.
3: Erik is not Odinson, that's also from the same comic where Peter beat Firelord so if you want to count that you also have to use that aswell.
4: he didn't admit he was faster and he wasn't even going all out.
5/6: why is an editor who's never written for the character relevant?
7: Erik is not Odinson. Comparing Erik to Odinson is like comparing a firecracker to the Big Bang.
I've already told you all this on your profile page, not sure why you're in denial?
Your "debunks" are poor and non-convincing, that's why I'm still using scans.
It's not a matter of denial. Just because you say you've debunked something doesn't mean you have.
Don't call it poor and non convincing if you can't contest it!
Prove that I didn't debunk them! And while you're at it try to actually rebuke my arguments because I've sank all your ships by now.
I did contest it, and taking into account how your last post on the subject was nothing but calling me salty, i seem to have won that debate.
It's because a lot of your arguments don't make any sense. You haven't sank jack sh*t man, sorry to tell you. You haven't given any arguments for why Thor is fast, all you've done is try to refute why he isn't slow by trying to debunk the scans i showed.
On the Marvel wiki, Thor's listed as having level 7 speed. That's just as much as his strength.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light.
Let's start with his travel speed. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. Thor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
Now, let's take a look at his reactions. Right here, Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him and Beat Quicksilver, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
I also found this little video made by Thor Talk discussing Thor's speed.
I appreciate your scans for Superman's speed, but I think you're heavily underestimating how fast Thor is.
Thor Talk isn't a great source to use for info, considering he uses his own calcs which aren't always very accurate.
But I still appreciate the scans. I still think Superman is faster, but thank you regardless.
Thanks for your input; and don't worry about your edit request. I've got it taken care for you.
"I did contest it" how so? I clearly remember putting holes in everything you said. Check again because I did far more than call you salty.
How don't they make sense? I'd honestly like to know and see if I can fix them. Yes I did, since you're Amnesiac I'm going to repeat myself: he's fast because he scales to plenty of fast characters, he's reacted to Mjolnir as it flew back to him from behind meaning he scales above his travel speed, etc. You claimed those guys either weren't impressive or that they hold back; both claims were literally just two more ships sank. You mean I completely destroyed them and you didn't have a rebuttal so you blamed me? Name something you have debunked! If you want to actually debate me then prove he wasn't holding back rather than blaming me for stating the fact and while you're at it address the rebuttals I just gave either here or on your profile page before you declare yourself the winner.
You have got to be kidding me if you think I'm "throwing a fit" when I rip apart the BS.
Basically, he flew 200 trillion light years before Lois Lane's heart could beat once.
While i generally don't link youtube videos, here is someone very knowledgeable on the topic who explains this feat in detail around the two minute mark.
He also has immeasurable speed feats like defying death while breaking through time and space itself.
All this is just to say, to those of you who say that Thor equals Superman in speed? Not exactly. The man is fast, like really fast. Big advantage.
^ 5 examples of Supermans immeasurable speed, don't downplay his speed
2) That would be infinite speed at max.
3) Boomtube.
4) Wonder Woman's feat with Zoom was more impressive as it was actually shown on panel that Zoom was moving through physical time when she caught him. Also, this was Reverse-Flash (PZ is a stupid name) and he said Superman's speed RIVALS his own. That means they're somewhat relative, but not quite which makes sense considering Thawne would be faster than Superman via scaling to the Flash (don't even try with the Superman VS Flash argument). Also, Green Lantern who is relatively in the same ballpark as Superman in terms of speed said that Reverse-Flash was too fast to get a good look on. Superman knocked him down by moving in front of him so Reverse-Flash ended up smashing into his arm.
5) That would be infinite speed and more importantly, that was Pre-Crisis Superman.
@Joe I see your point and i get where you're coming from. However, personally i think it does follow that if Superman has won in the past, he most likely would do it again. I'm not sure it would be that different than the crossover, at least in my eyes, but who knows. I'm just saying that there is a canon fight in which Superman was victorious.
Joker
Harley Quinn
Batman
Lex Luthor
Wonder Woman
...
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Superman lost to Harley Quinn on 1-1 hand combat!!
Harley Quinn vs Superman = Harley's little black book #5
Joker vs Superman = Doesn't really count because Joker stole Mxyzptlk's powers to 'win'.
2. They were on a planet with a red sun. Obviously under normal circumstances it would be different.
3. Emperor Joker is a 5th dimensional imp, so no point in that.
Wtf is this ignorance lmfao. Thor has survived far worse. Sun has to step up it's game to hurt this tough boi.
@Ssaroj123: Google isn't always reliable.
He uses magic, which Superman has no defense against.
He is a literal GOD. Superman is still mortal, so Thor can only be killed by the Midgard serpent, as far as I know.
People say Superman can speedblitz Thor, but Thor can keep up with beings that can cross the galaxy in seconds. Thor is on par with Superman in strength and durability, but is more experienced in combat and wisdom, as he is over a thousand years old.
https://www.superherodb.com/team-debate-tournament-by-booyah/100-4345/
I'm not one of those people who downvotes but the system is there if you disagree. I get downvoted all the time and will probably get downvoted again now
The same could be said about Thor who's been able to beat Mangog, nearly killed Galactus and kept fighting after nearly having his jaw taken off. The former 2 would beat Superman
Where are you getting the Octillion tons feat? The 20 planets feat i've already debunked and the neutron star is a durability feat, not strength. Superman moves the chains of Maggeddon, which has been stated to be four times heavier than Jupiter, which by itself is over a septillion tons. He's also pushed against Warwold (much larger than earth) while it was being powered by the big bang. He's lifted and thrown an entire solar system on his own and also pulled highfathers staff out of the source wall. There's examples of lifting greater than octillions, not even including slowing the spectre's descent. Proof the heavens are infinite weight and that hercules lifted them?
The solar system feat is pre-crisis.
He needed help just slowing Spectre unconscious body falling. Not that impressive.
@ThorMathews It was literally said that the multiverse grows within it. Mandrakk stated the entire existence is contained in the book. Nowhere it stated it was only the knowledge. Before you say that Ultraman read the last page, that was later contradicted. He said he read the last page and saw Mandrakk win. Guess what? Mandrakk lost. Stop using low-end feats to lowball Supes. Thor has plenty of low-end as well. Why are you talking about mythology, dude? Mythology =/= comics. Being god of multiple things isn't going to help Thor win this fight lmao. Superman is comparable to Thor in power, but puts him to shame in terms of speed. He makes him look like a turtle. He has much better feats and scaling overall, gg. Btw. Don't think of me as Superman fanboy, because I actually prefer Thor over Superman, but I know his limits.
Yes, he pulled a solar system on his back in pre crisis, but here he is throwing an entire solar system post-crisis, way more than 2 octillion tons. https://m.imgur.com/a/D9eD4
Superman's Strongest Feat is destroying a planet 10 times Earths size and weight.
Thor's Strongest is creating a small supernova so if we're talking a Strength and Durability feats Thor takes it
The Spectre's weight was described as the collective consciousness of eternity. Eternity has no weight, it's a measure of time. Even so Superman had help and was only slowing his decent.
Hulk's feats have surpassed Superman and has shown he is the strongest one there is. It's just that he's not put into these situations as often as Superman so gets mistaken for weaker.
I'm trying to find the charity fun run scan too.
1) Superman's biggest advantage against Thor is his speed. Thor however, has fought people like Silver Surfer and Sentry who are all on par with Superman when it comes to strength, and they are both faster than Thor so it means that Thor can fight characters faster than him. Speed isn't the determining factor here.
2) Strength and durability wise, Thor can match Superman. Thor scales Hulk who has shattered the time barrier, tore apart Nightmare's dimension with sheer power alone, and Hulk even shook the multiverse before. This makes sense as Thor has an even record against him with more wins than not. Thor by himself has destroyed planets, destroyed star-sized objects, lifted Asgard alongside Beta Ray Bill which is one of the nine realms, and he's pushed the World Engine which held the World Tree, Yggdrasil in place. This is impressive because Yggdrasil contains the 9 realms (and possibly an infinite amount more) which have been stated to have their own universal spacetime continuums. When it comes to attack potency, Thor has harmed Galactus with a hammer throw, temporarily knocked out the Phoenix Force, and split apart Celestial armor. Thor's durability is even greater than his strength as he's taken hits from Odin, Zeus, Galactus, and a Celestial. He's also survived planetary destruction, supernovas, solar systemic destruction, and explosions that scaled to galaxy level or even higher considering he's survived a bomb which could have killed basically every god in existence (although he needed to absorb some of it into Mjolnir)...
3) Thor has stated his divinity transcends dimensions and he literally tore a singularity through spacetime. He also has superior hax which he can counter Superman's versatility with such as his weather manipulation, energy manipulation, energy absorption, dimensional travel, elemental control, matter manipulation, magic nullification, spell casting, and stuff like that. You also can't forget his Godblast, Thermoblast, and the Anti-Force.
I have an observation i'd like to share. Whenever a new superhero or character comes into the mainstream, who do they always seem to compare them to in terms of strength, speed, etc? Superman is used as the measuring stick to compare other characters' power with. The very nature of Superman is to be OP. That's why so many of the popular battles that are debated involve him. I mean, he's on the popular battles page on this site like seven times at least.
2) When it comes to striking power, Thor has feats on that same level, especially hurting people like Galactus, the Phoenix Force, and Celestials. Cracking Celestial armor is already a feat on part with skyfathers and Thor has fought other beings like that too such as Surtur. He scales to people like Hulk, Sentry, and Silver Surfer who have fought people VASTLY higher than their tier. Hulk has fought people like Dormammu while Surfer has taken on Mephisto and Knull. There's no denying it that Thor has feats on that same tier when it comes to strength and Mjolnir gives him a MASSIVE advantage.
3) Durability is very close but Thor also has solar system to universal+ feats. Celestial attacks, godbomb, attacks from Gorr, reality warping resistance, matter manipulation resistance, soul manipulation resistance... etc.
4) True. I can't argue with that, but that's just how it turned out to be. Superman was the first superhero and he holds the title as one of the most powerful, but that doesn't mean he's inherently more powerful than anyone else compared to him.
Good points though!
Thor 7 out of 10.
Intelligence
Strength
Speed
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Thor's advantages:
Tactical intelligence
Striking power
Durability
Versatility
Firepower
Skill
I'd say Thor wins, as tactical intelligence and striking power are greater advantages than scientific intelligence and lifting power in a battle. Superman's main advantage is speed, but Thor has consistently beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster. Mjolnir is a wild card that gives a great advantage to Thor. Superman will get in more hits but Thor will get in better and more coordinated hits, eventually winning him the day. Thor wins 55-65% of the time.
1. Thor is by far more durable, I Mean Supes is Vulnerable to Kryptonite while Thor isn't
2. Thor is by Stronger, Supes needed the Justice League to lift the Planet while Thor didn't need World Breaker Hulk or Juggernaut to help lift the Midgard Serpent
3. Thor has done better against People like superman, Examples are Hyperion and Gladiator
4. Supes has lost more fights than thor has
5. Thor has magic and that magic will effect supes
2 wtf Superman was weakened there and he literally has waaaay more impressive feats,midgard serpent? Lmao
3 Thor has done better? Against people like superman those dudes you mentioned would get oblitaired by Superman,and when you say "better" you need to compare two things Superman fought and clapped dudes way stronger than thor
4 proof?
5 thats a ******* urban fantasy supes tanked magical attacks that would atomize Thor ill post you on discord if you want
Superman is weak against magic. Name examples of magical attacks that would kill Thor but Superman tanked?
2. Superman bench pressed the earths weight for five days with no sunlight on his own and has dragged and pushed planets by himself on many occasions, so that one time isn't that important.
3. That's true. Superman has also held his own against magical beings.
4. I'm going to need some serious evidence for that statement. Superman has been in comics for much longer than Thor also, so kind of unfair.
5. It won't weaken him, but yeah his invincibility does not extend to magic so fair point.
Superman is weak to magic.
Also, you couldn't prove Mxy is equal to Skyfathers, let alone being far above.
He would end up beating them both
Most of those links didn't work. Try actually sending them or putting url around it.
Shazam actually had Superman at his mercy and would have turned him if Batman hadn't intervened.
https://i2.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Batman-Superman-2-Page-3.jpg?resize=677%2C1028
In the second fight Shazam wasn't defeated he was just distracting Superman.
Superman technically won the second fight but that's because Shazam and Supergirl attacked each other. They were only trying to distract him anyway.
Shazam was distracting him because Batman had to tell him to leave them. Shazam wanted him to keep fighting.
If we look at their previous fights Shazam tends to have the upper hand. One of Superman's best fights was when he was possessed by Eclipso and even then he was straining against Shazam who was holding back.
Mjolnir has feats like entering the 4th dimension of time through speed, time travelling through speed, flying as fast as Silver Surfer and etc.
He consistently reacts and fights people who reacts Mjolnir.
He can fight on par with Gladiator without using his haxxes and keep in mind Gladiator fought Hyperion in matter of nanoseconds (10^-9 seconds, a simple move would be FTL). No one cares if Thor being fast will make DCtards have butthurt.
I don't think he is faster than Superman either, just saying he can keep up with him.
Thor throws his hammer at Superman, who tries to hold it. He is pinned to the ground. Thor then hits Superman again and again.
Thor is more durable, more powerful and more skilled. He has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman. Mjolnir has traveled at great speeds, and is extremely powerful. Superman is faster, but not fast enough to speedblitz, and Thor can hit him with his hammer and lightning. I'd say Thor mostly wins because of Mjolnir. He has the advantage of arguably greater striking power with it, as well as lightning, combined with his experience and superior durability, takes the win, just barely. Nobody wins in a stomp.
Thor wins 51-55 percent of the time.
SPEED-BLITZ
And if super flare missed, he's completely vulnerable and easy target. It's a gamble more than anything. You rattled off ways he could win but most likely wouldn't.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b23456ffb6c2595ec0d59ad96496d45b
Didn't it say he warped space and time and just ended up coming out through a black hole
And also wouldn't the black hole be pulling him back making it an even greater feat?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57845/1417676-scope.jpg
BLITZKRIEG.
--Batman vs Spectre wasn't PIS because Batman's gadgets are OP (provides no evidence.)
--Catwoman would beat Spider-man because she beat three speedsters at once (also PIS)
--Deathstroke is stronger and faster than Spider-man.
--Wonder Woman has better feats than Thor.
And now: Superman can match Odin.
You must not know a lot about Marvel or are biased for DC, it seems.
He also one-shots Hela, recreates the Universe and damage caused to galaxies multiple times Odin is also able to knock out a nourished Galactus. Surtur's Eternal flame was said to be able to destroy the Multiverse, but Odin was able to contain it. All that and many other things. There is plenty more out there. Odin is too much for Superman.
If you want to debate me on Superman vs Odin, we'll do it on the page for Superman vs Odin (I'll make one if it doesn't exist yet), or Thor vs Superman (we'll debate here) or Batman vs Spider-man (we'll do it on the Batman vs Spider-man page.)
Thank you.
As long as there is sun for Superman. He will keep coming at Thor persistly. It will be a long ending battle but I think Superman takes it at the end if he doesn't hold back. Clearly in the comics despite him not using his full momentum. Superman has holded back against Doomsday though in the end it only took a couple of shots to bring him down when he doesn't hold back.
So in conclusion I do believe Superman will hold back against Thor from the beginning. Though when he just sees there's too much destruction I believe Superman will get amped up and either knockout thor or potentially kill him.
"Spiderman is more experienced than the living tribunal"
"Spiderman existed longer than TLT"
"Space punisher hulk beats Emperor joker"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Superman really easily"
"Hulk is physically superior to the one above All"
"Doomsdays durability Is atleast equal to the power of the Beyonder"
"God emperor doom stomps pre retcon beyonder"
"Doctor manhattan loses to Daredevil"
"Antimonitor is DCs version of Thanos because of the way they look and similar feats"
"Mxy has done everything doctor manhattan did" (in this context I mention doctor Manhattan destroying mxy, so mxy destroyed himself lmao)
"Superman loses to DAREDEVIL"
"Sentry loses to Daredevil"
"Captain America beats Captain Atom"
"Captain America stomps Martian manhunter"
"Spiderman absolutely stomps Martian Manhunter"
"Doctor Manhattan loses to silver surfer"
"Antimonitor stomps Eternity"
"Power absorption > Omnipotence"
"The one above all = Dark Infinity, but Dark infinity > The one above all"
"Cosmic Ghost rider solos Beyonder and living tribunal"
He's questioned these things lol:
-why can't we steal other characters names and make fusions?
-are fusion Characters allowed?
-WHERE ARE MY OCS? (In this context every last one of his oc's were simply "MarDC" fanfiction freaks)
-Why does dark infinity Get hate? (Obviously not because his writer is a complete and total unimaginative piece of absolute 3 year old garbage that cries over his oc not getting votes)
He's even admitted to these things:
-he worships YouTubers
-doesnt read comics
-Dark infinity was created
-Dark infinity is Universal
He's also done this:
-reported comments that shouldn't be reported
-same with downvoting
-made a discord server and blamed people for braking rules (when they didn't even remotely break rules)
-always Hates on people that disagree with him
Also @Blotsky: he's destroyed those 2 more timed than he lost, many many times you ignorant moron, go touch a comic and then come back, superman only lost when under a red son you idiot, and shazam/Thor are NOTHING alike.
Superman Stomps Silver Surfer
Green Lantern or Captain America or Wolverine can Beat a Omnipotent Being
Living Tribunal Beats The Ivory Kings
Spectre beats the Ivory Kings
Batman Who Laughs Beats King Thanos
Batman Who Laughs Beats Unstoppable Colossus
Man-Thing Beating Lifebringer Galactus
Superman Stomps Thanos
Thor Beats World War Hulk
Constantine Beats Ghost Rider
--Thanos stomps Galactus
--Punisher, Spider-man and Captain America solo the Justice League
--Iron Man's armor isn't durable
--Batman is more durable than Superman
--Batman can beat Superman using pressure points
--Joker beats Loki
--Joker is as durable as Loki
--Super-boy Prime beats Odin
--Wonder Woman would lose to street-levelers
--Deathstroke has a more powerful healing factor than Deadpool
--Batman is too powerful for Wolverine, Silver Surfer, Daredevil, Captain America, Carol Danvers, Black Panther and Spider-man to handle.
--Bane (3-4 tons) and Killer Croc (2 tons) are stronger than Spider-man (25 tons)
--Iron Man is a bad prepper
--Daredevil and Sentry are evenly matched
--Daredevil beats Superman
--Black Panther can beat Hyperion
--Predator beats Kratos
--Batman is physically stronger and faster than Wolverine.
--Batman solos the Sinister Six without prep
--Thor beats Darkseid
--Batman beats Thor
--Black Widow beats Wonder Woman
--Spider-man beats Flash
--Batman beats Flash
--Wolverine beats Aquaman
--Batman can survive blasts from Iron Fist (who took down a helicarrier)
*Oh here's the best one*
--Spider-man beats the ENTIRE Justice League, alone, except for...wait for it... Batman. I mean, Spider-man DESTROYS Batman is a 1v1 fight but should have no chance against Superman or Green Lantern or many others.
*Oh wait here's an even better one.*
CAPTAIN AMERICA solos the Justice League except for Batman (one of the few he could beat) and Flash.
He's admitted he doesn't read comics, just 'looks them up.' He claims to be unbiased and doesn't troll.
He's claimed he knows more about Hulk and Thor than @Dark_Wing and others which is 'sad because they've been on this site longer than I have been," and yet fails to disprove anybody.
A few things. I think I'm missing some. Sorry if I got any information wrong.
https://www.superherodb.com/team-shazam-wizard-vs-team-cyclops/90-407949/#
,He was so much more strong than thor , and so mush so durable than Thor, his speed is million,billion , trillion times faster than thor,
Last time i checked thor can be knock out by nice clear one punch of Superman , thor can do nothing to take down Superman;)
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Superman is physically the most power character in DC Comics, he may as well be a god. He's stronger than both Thor and Hercules, putting him above Odin the physical strength because Thor is the strongest one from Asgard.
https://www.superherodb.com/team-world-war-hulk-vs-team-thor/90-405006/#
I wish @Galactus could check how many alt accs are one both sides.
Strength :- Superman >thor
Speed. :- Superman >>thor
Durability :- Superman>thor
Power overall :- Thor >> Superman
Now power cancelled speed superman wins by greater strength and durability
All right I won
Mostly because Thor doesn't loose his power as Supes would away from the yellow sun. So it depends. Most of these battles are up to fans or writer interpretation as we've seen Superman to have almost infinity power to de-powered depending on the story. Thor has been pretty much consistent across all story lines.
Superman never showed weakness to magic instead he showed resistance to it when Black Adam and shazam hit him with their lightning blasts let's just say he isn't invulnerable to magic .
Now here are some feats Superman Vaporized half and galaxy and sneezed away all the solar systems and bench pressed earth for 5 days straight and he lifted spectre also I have to say he also lifted book of infinity because he was pure of heart and makes him capable of wielding mjolnir which he already done it he also one shotted thor in that crossover he also defeated hulk and Hercules while thor stalemated Hercules and got beaten up by hulk . Superman defeated darkseid he is also fast enough to travel 20 light years away from earth in matter of minutes he can speed blitz thor also thor got speed blitz by people who isn't even fast as spider man like wolverine that's why they call him slowdinson
How many times are you people gonna downplay Thor's speed?
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. hor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him and Beat Quicksilver's ass, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
Especially when I'm eating something way too hot... look at my hand!
Spectre called Superman's angriest punches "snowflakes" and would not allow Superman to leave. Moving the solar system has since been retconned. That was pre-crisis Superman.
Thor let Superman use Mjolner, afterwards he couldn't. He never one shotted Thor in fact he called it the hardest fight of his life. It was revealed Thor held back.
Superman can't beat Hulk. Never has never will.
Nope it wasn't debunked at all and it still count as a evidence . superman didn't even need the help of wonder woman to lift spectre because superman pulled the entire galaxy by himself .
I never downplayed any character don't blame me ( Blame the writers) I just say what I read in the comics . Thor got beaten by Street level characters also wolverine did speed blitz thor and thor didn't even go after spiderman because spiderman was too fast for him to catch
Also being invisible to the human isn't really a great feat just like galactus said . Superman went 20 light years away from earth and when crisis happened he arrive in earth in matter of minutes he also tagged the flash and caught him and he was keeping up with Jay garrick
Wielding mjolnir isn't about thor giving permission it was built for the pure of heart people or whoever doesn't regret what they did
Again if thor throw mjolnir at superman he can react to it or wield it himself and beat thor
Thor defeating galactus and being faster than silver surfer ?? Even in superman's feats it shows he is faster than flash and supergirl one shotted anti monitor who is 10x times stronger than Galactus which makes superman capable of doing the same thing
Thor escaped the black hole ? Guess what superman was holding the black whole in his hand
Superman have invulnerability while thor can easily get killed by piercing weapons
Give me a proof that magic effects superman then I will believe .. like I said superman showed resistance to pure magic lightning blasts from Shazam and Black Adam , if magic effects on superman than he should've been dead by now instead he defeated shazam .
Yeah spectre did call superman's angriest punches " snowflakes " because it was compared to him and you do realize he is the 5th strongest character in Dc Universe after Michael and Lucifer but here is a feat of superman angriest punch.
Mongul is invulnerable to harm, it takes more than just physical strength to take him down but Superman let loose against Mongul with a powerful punch, banishing him into a black hole
Yeah I know moving all solar systems are Pre-Crisis but it also means the post-crisis superman can do the same thing .
Thor didn't let superman to wield his mjolnir, he was wielding it himself but then he refused to kill and he couldn't wield it after that .
Nope the writers were drunk it wasn't his hardest fight of his life because there wasn't any single scratch on superman when he fought Thor but he was injured badly when he fought doomsday also superman defeated Hercules while thor was struggling fighting Hercules and they ended up draw .
Bruh thor getting getting defeated by superman and he was holding back ? I mean wow the logic you do realize superman was also holding back in all of his fight except fighting with doomsday
Yeah superman did defeat hulk in crossover hell yeah even batman knocked out hulk with his mighty kick
Shazam said Superman never does any good against magic in Superman/Batman Public Enemies. It's because of that fact that Shazam has beaten Superman before. Superman's even admitted to the Phantom Stranger that his powers don't work against magic. This link sums it up https://www.quora.com/Is-Superman-really-weak-to-magic
Spectre's probably higher that 5th which makes your claim that he can lift Spectre void.
No. Part of the reason why pre-crisis happened was because Superman was too powerful. He hasn't been that powerful since.
Thor lets him use Mjolner. Read the comic.
Claiming the writers were drunk is being stupid now. Do you mean Superman should have lost to Thor then? Superman's costume was torn and he was visibly tired. Superman doesn't hold back when he fights tough opponents. He's admitted he has to go all out when fighting Black Adam for example.
Hercules actually beat Superman Wonder Woman and Yellow Lantern in Injustice. This was a Superman who doesn't hold back anymore and he still lost.
Superman never beat Hulk, he just calms him down. He even admits as Hulk gets angrier the outcome suddenly becomes uncertain showing that Hulk would eventually overpower Superman. What you said about Batman was completely wrong. Batman kicks his stomach so Hulk would breath in the gas he threw. Even then that makes no sense because Hulk would have just backhanded Batman killing him and his healing factor should have negated the gas.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/6/69951/1321977-jla___avengers__2_page_37.jpg
Then Hercules came over and knocked out superman
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/SZnENpGHCRkeiLhgUTsXiSUTQDJIzZMGgPuhDmxffVZJD2XhO_HP1nwjE87vGdodxMuvfbNEGi9w=s1600
Speed--Superman is a bit faster, but Thor has beaten faster opponents
Strength--Equal
Durability--Superman
Power--Thor
Thor's magic and hammer is extremely powerful, and nothing can stop it's return to Thor's hand, not even Superman. Superman is known for being unhurt by gunfire, but he can be harmed by things other than kryptonite, and magic is one of them. Because of this, Thor has the ultimate advantage. All of Superman's power would wound Thor, but a hit from Thor's lightning with the power of asgard is also a tough hit, even for Superman.
Here, Thor ran across Rainbow Bridge so fast he became invisible to the human eye. Sure, maybe that's not as fast as other speedster like the Flash, but for him to do that, he'd be well faster than light. I know that
Let's start with his travel speed. Thor's easily able to move at faster than light speeds with little to no letup, as he was shown to catch up to a ship that moved several times the speed of light. Not only that, but he also escaped a black hole while carrying the Rulk. Thor himself is also capable of speed blitzing. Here, Thor busted Galactus' head and he went so fast that not even the Silver Surfer could stop him.
To those of you that chose Thor over the Surfer here but voted Superman in this battle, answer me this: How's it Thor can beat the Surfer but not Superman?
Now, let's take a look at his reactions. Right here, Thor stopped a Hyperion from speed blitzing him and Beat Quicksilver's ass, who in this scan, was fast enough to dodge Thor's lightning. Ulik clearly said he barely saw Thor move here and Thor threw Mjolner at the speed of light.
This has gotta stop! Quit w*nking Superman's speed and downplaying Thor's.
And silver age Superman wouldn't beat rkt
Rune King Thor hung himself,defied death, and regained the Odin Force, erased Mangog form existence with Rune Magic, broke the dimesnional barrier to Valhalla with a blast, and even erased Yggdrasil out of existence and made it into a multiverse.
You can't say Silver Age would beat Rune King Thor, let alone every version of Thor. That version of Supes doesn't even have the capabilities of Rune King.
Living tribunal>Thought robot>Superman prime one million>superboy prime>SA Superman
Beyonders>living tribunal>cas>any other version of Superman
CAS still the winner.
And the "jObbERyoNdErS"have already proven themselves above the living tribunal
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d3bbebe9f1b45ff25e1e2d1e48dfda79-c
That was only 3 of them rkt ONESHOTTED 5 of them so rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>cas
(Please show me the "facts"that you claim that the thought robot is greater than the living tribunal)
read comicvine fot more facts.
"Read comic vine for more facts"why would I go on there if they have no proof that he's below multiversal and anyways rkt has multiple multiversal feats and outerversal feats
"It's funny those beyonders were weak"they weren't weak it was never implied nor hinted at
"Lt has never been outerversal btw"except he is and has shown it like when he held the amalgam brothers with one hand
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5754727-7368726379-12309.jpg
The same people who ragdolled the spectre
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers2.jpg
So my point still stands Rkt>beyonders>lt>spectre>cas>any other version of Superman
Marvel hasn't got outversal characters.
Unbound Spectre>LT>Spectre .
CAS=PR Beyonder>LT>Rkt
https://m.imgur.com/nKFqaOs
"Marvel hasn't got outerversal characters"um hello have you never heard of pr beyonder or molecule man or god emperor doom or hotu thanos?I can name more but I'm just to lazy to type them all
"Unbound spectre>Lt>spectre.
CAS=PR Beyonder>Lt>Rkt"
Unbound spectre got one shotted by Michael demurgios who didn't even go all out
CAS gets one shotted by PR Beyonder(id like to debate on that)
"Lt>Rkt"no he isn't LT was killed by beyonders the same group of people that rkt oneshotted
So my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>Lt>>>CAS
"Just cause you don't believe it doesn't disprove it,it is stated in the scan"so going by your logic then the living tribunal is Omnipotent because it was stated https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108047/2046547-omnipotetnt.jpg
So then rkt one shotted 5 beyonders and it only took 3 beyonders to beat the living tribunal so my point still stands
Rkt>beyonders>living tribunal>>CAS
also HOTU Thanos isn't canon.
Michael one shotted the Spectre who is much stronger than Pr Beyonder and MM and LT. Unbound Spectre wouldt still win against RKT and LT.
Cas>LT>Rkt.
"Also hotu thanos isn't canon"What does being canon have to do with anything everything is canon just some things aren't head canon
Just because something isn't canon doesn't mean it can't be taken into account
Using your logic then I claim dc has no outerversal characters because Lucifer Morningstar and Michael demurgios aren't canon.
"Spectre would still win against rkt and lt"How would the spectre beat rkt if he's omnipotent?and stop dodging this question
"Cas>Lt>Rkt"
Absolutely wrong 💀😂
Are you genuinely dumb?Ive proven to you that rkt already killed beyonders which killed the living tribunal so rkt>lt>cas
Why don't you wanna debate me on cas vs lt?
And for the "marvel has no outerversal characters"it does actually the beyonders are outerversal and so is lt (he is above multi eternity and infinity who are high hyperversal.power greater than high hyperversal is outerversal)lt sits on a throne outside creation itself
God emperor doom is outerversal,molecule man is outerversal,so is hotu thanos,regulator thanos,god quarry thanos,king thanos,multi oblivion,pre retcon molecule man,and beyonder are all outerversal
"Unbound spectre>CAS>LT>Rkt"
Okay so explain exactly how CAS is above the living tribunal and how the living tribunal is above rkt when Rkt killed beyonders the same people who killed the living tribunal
All your doing is restating yourself I've debunked all of your claims and you still have yet to debunk any of mine
"CAS=PR Beyonder"no beyonder one shots the thought robot who couldn't even beat mandrakk the same guy who was injured by green lantern
Lucifer and Michael aren't canon so dc has no outversal characters you said. And you say I am dumb...:D Both of Luci and Michael are canon,and there are many outversal feats in dc,if you want to ignore the angels. For example Monitor Mind is canon. :)
So yes Hotu Thanos is still not canon so it doesn't matter.
rkt is not omnipotent :D Rkt has never been omnipotent,are you trolling?
Nope,u wrong. CAS is stronger than LT so Cas>Lt>>>Sword of Superman>>>rkt...
Pr Beyonder can never one shots TH. They 're equal or almost equal. Btw in my opinion Cas is stronger by feats.
Cas is outversal while LT,Rkt is not.
"Luci and Micky are canon"no there not there both vertigo characters which don't directly apply to dc universe
And how is oblivion not outerversal his true form would literally kill you if you even stared at it
"Rkt is not omnipotent"yes he is in the words of the author himself
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9bc771060ac17cfa150410cb64cd264
He controls everything he wants making him omnipotent
And how does beyonder not one shot TR
Nah Luci and Mich is canon, Luci has already met with the jla in the comic. Also Vertigo is a part of dc. :) Presence is the creator of DC universe and his childs are Luci and Mich.
Oblivion still not outversal.
RKT is a low budget omnipotent maybe in the 3D realm but thats all. Weak as Infinity Gauntlet and he looses badly against CAS.
CAS and Beyonder are equal or almost equal maybe PR Beyonder a lil' bit stronger but if it's true this is still not a one shot. So that's how Beyonder doesn't stomp Cas.
And no vertigo is supposed to account for things that happen outside of dc (non canon things like luci)
And how is oblivion not outerversal if he can kill the reader?Please explain how that isn't outerversal
And no rkt isn't omnipotent in a 3D scale there's no such thing as omnipotence in different dimensions your either omnipotent or not
So yeah rkt is omnipotent
And beyonder is way more powerful than the tr
TR couldn't beat mandrakk and had to throw him into the overmonitor and then died shortly after
And if TR is outerversal then why isn't beyonder since you say there "equals"
Vertigo story is canon and it's a part of DC.
Oblivion has never shown that he can kill the reader. He still lives in the creation and he has no impressive feats.
Rkt is not omnipotent,only in the 3d realm and it still not sure. And there is a difference between 3d and higher dimensional omnipotence.
So yeah Rkt is not omnipotent,Rkt is nothing even compared Silver Age Superman. :)
Mandrakk is stronger than the beyonder and i changed my mind CAS godstomps the beyonder,he is nothing.
Hence the name "outer"versal
And no vertigo isn't part of dc it's supposed to show all different branch realities
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/37/Oblivion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130702041935
Here oblivion takes over the comic in order to confront you and states that the way you see him is an illusion and that if he stared at you in his true form you would cease to exist.The only reason why he doesn't kill you is because it wouldn't really please him
So yes oblivion is outerversal
And no rkt killed 5 beyonders
It took 3 to kill the living tribunal who is outerversal
The living tribunal transcends all of marvel (which is composed of infinite dimensions)and all other multi abstracts like eternity (who are all infinite dimensional)and are only a fraction of his being
And those beyonders killed him
And rkt killed them so no rkt is omnipotent In a outerversal scale
And no tr is a fodder who couldn't beat mandrakk
And here we see mandrakk being hurt by green lantern
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23992/4746094-final%20crisis%20007-027.jpg
So no beyonder would one shot the thought robot who died after throwing mandrakk into the over monitor http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/111/1114806/4389104-0749094105-TQzVY.jpg
and also... why the f*ck are you saying RKT is actually above beyonders...
Vertigo is a part of dc in fact. Is it hurt you? I can understand it because Luci and Michael together can stomp the whole marvel fiction after TOAA has been nerfed.
Oblivion is not that strong man,stop talking silly things. Oblivion is almost equal with Eternity,who is nothing in this leauge.
RKT is not stronger than Beyonders :DD Rkt is a universal fodder nothing more In 3D scale.
CAS has beaten Mandrakk,who can destroy Rkt with ease. CAS>>>Lt>>>Rkt.
And well no again. Beyonder can't one shot CAS. Cas would punch the sht out of Beyonder.
Stop denying that oblivion is outerversal just because it ruins your argument.You can ask @EmptyHand @Oblivion @DarkWing @Jongensoden
And they'll all say that oblivion is outerversal
And your saying that vertigo is canon because it's apart of DC
So by using your logic I can claim that HOTU,Regulator,And God quarry thanos are all canon because it's apart of marvel
And no CAS loses badly to Pre retcon beyonder
And also that whole "TOAA was nerfed"wasn't actually TOAA it was the above all others who is just an aspect of TOAA not actually TOAA
TOAA=TOBA=>RKT>Pre retcon beyonder>Beyonders=GED>CAS>Mandrakk
And also please explain how RKT isn't stronger than beyonders if he one shotted them?
Oblivion is on Eternity's level.
They're all saying he is outversal so what? The whole ComicVine is saying that he isn't,so do i.
Vertigo is a part of DC in fact you can check out and it is canon not just because it's a part of dc universe.
HOTU story isn't a part of marvel and it is non-canon you can look after that too.
Nope, CAS still stomps Beyonder out of existence without trying.
That was the real TOAA who is not omnipotent anymore because of nerf.
TOAA>>>Pr Beyonder>Pr Molecule Man>NonCanon Hotu Thanos>Protege>Oblivion>God Doom>Beyonders(Ivory dudes)>LT>>>>so many > Chaos King >>>Punny Rkt who is only universal and it has proven. TOAA>Cas(stpid plot machine)>Pr-Beyonder>>> >>> >>> Rkt slowdinson.
Beyonders are weak. They are only on Lt's level and its nothing compared CAS,exspecially they aren't outversal lol.
And you still have yet to prove how vertigo is canon all your doing is saying that it is but still haven't proven it
And please prove how oblivion is only on eternity level if I've already shown you how he's outerversal and all you do is say "no he's on eternity level"
And even then In the chaos war story the chaos king had nearly killed eternity and it was then revealed that the chaos king was simply a infinitely small aspect of oblivion
And how are the beyonders only on the Living tribunal level if there the same people who killed him
Rkt is omnipotent as I've already proven to you and how is he universal if the living tribunal (the cosmic overseer of marvel beyond all dimensions,space,and time which would make him outerversal)who was killed by the beyonders (who are also outerversal)were killed by Rkt
And until you provide evidence for anything you claim then I'll dismiss it as false
Also let me explain how beyonder one shots thought robot
You see thought robot was hurt by the power of 52 universes
Meanwhile beyonder was stated to be "millions of times"more powerful than the multiverse (which is composed of infinite universes I'm marvel)https://imgur.com/F4KYtNF
And also here's some confirmation that the above all others is only an aspect of TOAA https://debatesjungle.fandom.com/wiki/Above_All_Others
After that you have never proven to me that LT is outversal you talking about stupid things starting with Rkt is above CAS . LT is not outversal,LT is a jobber compared to dc heavy hitters like Perpetua for example.
Vertigo is a part of DC while HOTU isn't.
On comic vine there are some interesting silly people,but the most of users are fine and experienced about comics,so yeah you can check comic vine and many sites which will prove you my arguements instead of me. You and your ideas is one versus so many ppl,and im sure about that they know better than you.
I can also say that rkt is a fodder and he is much weaker than LT even Silver Age Superman lol.
Oblivion is still not outversal and CAS would beat the shieet out of Pr.Beyonder. He is a plot device,he can always adapt the story. Against CAS ,Beyonder has no power any longer.
Only TOAA was outversal in marvel corps and it has been retconned too.:DD
There is only Ret.Toaa now this is the ugly truth accept it marvel guy. :) The One Above Almost All...
And second of all how is the lt not outerversal your making yourself look stupid by claiming he is bound by dimensions and time when he is above both of those concepts (infinity and eternity)
Third of all how are you going to claim something without proving it I've shown you multiple pieces of evidence to debunk every single claim you've made and your excuse is "no it's not true because I said so"
Hotu and every single other "nOn cAnOn" story is part of marvel so therefore it is canon according to your standards
Also how are you going to have a debate and say "I don't have to prove anything" you are far by the worst debater I've ever met if you think you don't have to prove your claims
So I'm going to use your logic and say that base Thor solos all of DC because I said so
And don't call me a fanboy when you claim that the pre retcon beyonder isn't outerversal and that the thought robot would beat him because he's a "plot device"
But yet he failed to actually beat mandrakk in raw power and died in his own issue
Not only that but he was injured by 52 universes while beyonder was stated to be more powerful than a million multiverses
Thank you once again for proving your arrogance this is probably the easiest debate I've had in a while
Not only that but I've proven to you that oblivion is also outerversal and you claim he isn't because you've seen some guy on comic vine say so
Let's play your game then. First of all you don't know what does outversal mean thats why u sayin eternity and infinity outversal. They are only universal.
Second of all you still didn't prove me anything ,you only saying stupid things but its ok for a guy who can't understand what does outversal mean. You can think it you're right.
HOTU is not canon while Vertigo is.
Also i don't want to debate you i just typed here to my opinion thats all. I dont't have to prove anything exspecially because if you aren't mental you can look after my arguements on the internet,where are many sites and many pepople that can explain you to my opinions.
And my logic is still more valid than your silly things. Thor never can solo DC even Green Lantern with white ring. :D
pr. beyonder isn't outversal and CAS would **** him not just because he is a plot device. :) It's just one thing why he can destroy the entrie marvelverse.
Btw CAS has stomped Mandrakk who can also beat Beyonder anyways.^^
The sad thing is that u haven't debated me and you are the only one who have any arrogance here but it is not a problem for me silly dude.
Comic Vine people have already proven that Oblivon is not outversal too. The only difference is that you are 1 guy who don't even know what he says and you have proven that many times for example rkt is stronger than CAS, Eeternity is outversal versus so many guy who have interesting arguements and legit opinions with so much comicbook knowedge. :)
Well thats all have a nice day.
Second of all don't call me stupid when your using fake terms like "MetAvErSal"and then claim that "yOu hAvEnT pRovEn ANyThIng"when I've shown you about 20 scans proving every single one of my claims
You probably can't even count to ten
Can't spell outerversal so you spell it outversal
How dense is your skull if your so biased to dc and claim that the thought robot could potentially solo marvel
And third of all STOP DENYING THAT OBLIVION IS OUTERVERSAL IF MARVEL THEMSELVES CONFIRM HE IS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/p4PnWF6IhWGYkgjvf2ZWAY54e6fftRzuFe8gF-DQzvfZu0ApHMpB7wpV79s3_7KInbMJc8z9kqSi=s0
You can't deny oblivion is outerversal anymore because marvel themselves support me regardless of what your biased comic vine fanboys tell you
Pr beyonder is outerversal and he'd slap the thought bot garbage
And you have a nice day to :)
Btw if you weren't trying to debate then why even bother replying you just wasted both of our time?
Nigh Omnipotence>>> >>> >>>outerversal
Outerversal is beyond dimensional, high outer is beyond time space and dimensions, nigh Omnipotent is way beyond that
Second of all Eternity and Infinity are only universal.
Third of all you corrected me about outERversal so pls let me correct you too. After second of all you should use third of all,not second of all again.
You can't even count nor use punctuation marks.
And u started to call me stupid because you can't even read tho.
TR can still solo Marvel except maybe TOAA.
And finally i don't stop anything if i'm right. Oblivion is not outerversal.
Nope CAS still murderstomp that non-outerversal pr belower.
Thanks, have another nice day bro. :D
For now i don't know. Maybe because its funny.
And also outerversal learn how to spell stoopid
Also you don't even know your own universe where you are one of the biggest fanboy ever and talking a lot of shi*s about it.
I did spell it correctly but now i know you are blind too not only an idiot.
If you want tell me how to spell words correctly first you should learn it S T U P I D bot.
I will answer till you can't stop being an ***hole because you are so funny and i have fun a lot on you dude.
Im sure you're just trolling because i can't believe that you're serious if you are then something is not really ok in your head.
"You haven't even got even a brain I guess"
I can't even understand what you meant by that was that an insult?
And how don't I understand what universe I'm from?Better yet you mind elaborating on what that even means?
I'm sorry your extremely illiterate I'm literally losing brain cells reading this.
You spelled what correctly?If your referring to outerversal then no you didn't 😂 you spelled it "oUtvEsAl"
First learn what?Spelling?I make grammar mistakes but no where near as much as you.
"I will answer till you can't stop being an ***"
Can*
"I have a lot of fun on you dude"
I didn't know you can have fun on top of someone but ok buddy
"I'm pretty sure your trolling"
No I really ain't,better yet can you prove the thought robot can solo all of marvel with feats?Last time I checked majority of people in marvel don't get hurt by the power of 10 billion suns sooo...
And flash is way faster than Superman it ain't even a contest
https://m.imgur.com/p3sWez4
That feat is good but not fast enough. Rebirth Superman has flown several miles in under an attoseond.
See my missile feat also. Superman flew the length of the universe in a heartbeat to blitz the missiles.
The DC observable universe is 200 trillion light years wide: https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04
An average person has a heart rate of 70-100 bpm. I'll lowball this to 70bpm. This means at maximum Superman flew 200 trillion light years in under one second.
This is 114,070,000,000,000,000,000,000x light speed or over 114 Sextillion times the speed of light.
Surfer's feat is impressive but not on this level. Superman is faster. Crossing the entire universe in one second>>> crossing half the universe in a few minutes.
Also, Thor himself is not capable of those speeds. Mjolnir is.
Superman is also capable of lifting the hammer. He fits all of the requirements. The hammer lacks the maneuverability of true flight, which Superman has. Thor can't fly without the hammer, and since Superman could lift/push it away, he has a big advantage.
Crossing half the universe in minutes>Crossing the universe in an hour
Here is the feat calculated by someone else: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:X_Heart_of_Steel_x/Post-Crisis_Superman_Speed_Feat
Look at the scans. In the last one it says "In the space between one heartbeat..."
The comic is literally saying that Superman did it in a heartbeat, which is calculated to be 100 trillion light years per 1 second = 3,155,692,600,000,000,000,000 c (3.15 sextillion c) ftl.
They even lowball the feat to be one hour, which is where you got the quadrillion ftl from. The comic says a heartbeat. You just looked at someone else lowballing the feat and used that number instead of what the comic implies.
So no Thor is just as fast as supes
Most users agree he is teleporting.
And so what if people think he's teleporting it doesn't mean anything if they have any actual evidence to suggest he is
"I'm not making things up you can also clearly see the effect in the second panel"incorrect actually that just shows mjolnir hitting the ground it even states that he hit the ground till water gushed out of it
"The only discussion I could find on this feat is people thinking he's teleporting"there was only about 5 people who said he teleported and all 5 of them got shut down so what exactly is your point?
1.It never shows any signs of him using the bifrost
2.if he used it to get there then why didn't he use it to leave
3.it literally shows him flying in the next panel why would they show that rather than him using the bifrost
4.The same could be said towards you that you have zero evidence he was teleporting
5.why didn't they state he was using the bifrost if they were well aware that people would think of it as a speed feat
2. How am I supposed to know that? It's up to the writers
3. Again, that's up to the writers. But your skepticism doesn't make the feat a speed feat
4. You're the one making the claim, so it's on you to provide evidence, which so far you haven't provided any convincing evidence. I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to.
5. Making these claims doesn't change the feat. They didn't say he was teleporting. So what? As I already showed you more people think that is a teleport, not a speed feat.
"2.How am I supposed to know that?Its up to the writers"why would the writers add that in other than to support the fact that he was flying
"3.Again that's up to the writers"
The writers wouldn't toss in that little detail for no reason it was obviously there to support my point"
"4.your the one making the claim so it's on you to provide the evidence,I've provided more evidence than you even though I don't need to"ok so not only is there no evidence that supports him teleporting there but it even shows him hovering to the floor why exactly would he hover if he teleported there?You haven't provided any evidence other than you can see the teleporting effect (which I've already debunked that it's just mjolnir the text supports it to)but your the one who's claiming it's a teleportation feat so you need to provide evidence as to why it is
"5.Making these claims doesn't change the feat"except it kinda does when you can't debunk any of it and there's hints all over the place just supporting my point
2. Why would the writers add what in?? The scan you provided shows Thor suddenly appearing. NOWHERE IN THE PANEL DOES IT SHOW HIM FLYING. If the writers wanted to show he was flying, they would... show he's flying. Instantly appearing is what happens when someone teleports.
3. What little detail? It doesn't even show Mjolnir hitting the ground. It just shows a big pillar of light and he appears.
4. There is zero evidence that Thor flew. The comic doesn't show he's flying, Thor never says he flew, the comic implies teleportation, a pillar of light that looks awfully like the effect of Thor teleporting is seen, and to top it all off the forum I showed you has a consensus that it is a teleporting feat, not a speed feat. My evidence for teleportation is miles better than your faulty evidence for him flying, even though the comic never even shows him flying. The burden of proof rests on you. You're the one making the claim. Your evidence is faulty and unconvincing. I was being generous providing evidence. I'm trying to keep my cool with you dude but you're coming across really ignorant. Just provide a different feat.
5. Not a single thing you've said even indicates that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer. The comic never shows him flying and he instantly appears after a pillar of light. This is not at all consistent with flight, but makes perfect sense for teleportation. Your only proof is that "Mjonlir hit the ground" and questioning the writers.
"2.why would the writers add in what?It literally shows him appearing out of nowhere"yes that usually what happens when your moving so fast and it shows him hovering to the floor why would he hover to the floor if he teleported there?
"3.what little detail?It doesn't even show mjolnir hit the ground"once again that "teleporting effect"wasn't even the bifrost it was mjolnir hitting the ground the text literally states that he hit the ground till water gushed out why would it say that about him teleporting?And why would the bifrost have lightning around it?
"4.There is zero evidence that Thor flew"and there's zero evidence that Thor teleported so what's your point all you do is bring up the "teleporting effect"that I've debunked multiple times and all you do is say that it ain't debunking but don't explain why
"5.Not a single thing you said indicated that Thor flew the distance to reach the prayer"other than him hovering down to ground and that he decided to fly off the planet rather than use the bifrost (which makes no sense as to why he wouldn't if he took it there)
All your doing is restating yourself and showing zero evidence and calling me arrogant you keep saying that there's a teleporting effect and if there is can you maybe circle it and show me it because the only thing that looks remotely close to the bifrost was when mjolnir hit the ground and I've already proven to you that it ain't the bifrost that and also why do you bring in others opinions on it if the same people (comic vine users)think that the living tribunal is omnipotent and called Odin a galaxy level threat?
2. BS. He hovered after he appeared. For the millionth time, the comic never shows him fly.
3. When he teleported he hit the ground. I don't understand how you're missing the point. The effect around him is common when he teleports.
4. Again, for the millionth time, you have no evidence Thor flew. The comic never shows him flying. You're just trying to make it seem like he did. There is more evidence that he teleported than that he flew. You haven't proved jack. Stop trying to change the feat.
5. So your argument boils down to... "Why did he teleport to get there if he didn't teleport to leave?" That's a terrible argument. That doesn't disprove him teleporting, sorry. You keep saying I haven't provided evidence when i've provided way more than you. When someone flies or runs in a comic, you SEE. THEM. FLY. OR. RUN. The comic never shows Thor flying, and that's that. Him hovering after and the hammer hitting the ground does nothing to prove he flew. Let me ask you a question, if the writers wanted this to be a speed feat, why did they not show him flying at all? Why have him just appear?
Who cares what the comicvine users think about other characters? LT and Odin aren't part of this debate. My point in showing you that thread was that literally everyone on that thread except the Thor fan who created it agrees that he was teleporting. If Thor is so fast, you should have no problem providing other feats of similar speed. Stop trying to change this feat. Even IF this feat was a speed feat (which i've already demonstrated it isn't) it still isn't as fast as the missile feat.
1.I didn't say that mjolnir hitting the ground meant he was flying your just twisting my words your claim was that mjolnir hitting the ground was a teleporting effect when it wasn't and why are you denying that I debunked just because it destroys your argument doesn't mean that it's BS if I didn't debunk it then you wouldn't have had a problem just circling the part where you see the "teleporting effect"which I've already asked you to do but you avoided it for some reason
2.So did he just decide to hover because he was bored.And if the writers didn't want people to take that out of context why didn't it just show him teleport?
3.Not once do you see him hit the ground the entire time he stays in the air.
4.Again for the millionth time you have provided zero evidence he teleported except for the "teleporting effect"which I've already debunked a million times but every time I do you say it's "BS"if it really was you wouldn't have avoided just circling the teleporting effect
5.And your whole argument boils down to "it didn't show him flying there so therefore he didn't"tell me if you take the bus to school do you take it back home or do you walk?If you say that you walk your just straight up dumb and lying.And I brought them up because there opinions don't really matter when they make claims like that (and they got shut down not once did anyone reply to him)so go ahead and call him a "Thor fan"but for all I know when the missle feat stated that it crossed the universe in a heartbeat I can use your logic and say something dumb like "oh it was just a hyperbole it never actually showed the missle cross the universe it just appeared there"your same logic can be used against you to disprove your claims
1. I shouldn't have to circle where Mjolnir hits the ground. It's in the second panel.
2. The whole hovering thing is beyond irrelevant. Also, it does show him teleport.
3. Dude, you sound so f*cking stupid. I'm not even going over this again.
4. Nice job copying my comment. I have provided plenty of evidence he teleported. You're an idiot if you think i haven't. The only evidence you've given him is nonsense. So freaking what that he was hovering in one little panel? That does jack to prove he flew there.
5. Nice job copying my comment again. It doesn't show him flying. Why in the hell should i accept he flew if there is no panel showing him fly? Wtf is your school bus analogy. That is a terrible comparison. Can a school bus teleport across an entire universe instantly? NO. Do school buses have magical powers? NO. Do school buses move faster than light? NO. The comicvine opinions matter. They show that you're in the minority to thinking this is a speed feat. By the way, the missile feat DOES show the missiles moving across the universe, and it DOES show superman flying after them and destroying them. That's the difference between the two feats. Superman IS shown flying and the missiles ARE shown flying. Thor is not. The comic not showing him flying is sound reasoning that he didn't fly. "Because crappy reasons" is not good reasoning to accept your claim. The fact of the matter is that YOU have made the claim, with the intention of convincing ME of its veracity. It is my standard of evidence that's relevant not yours. If it wasn't you could just say "Thor is faster because he's Thor" and demand that i refute that. Horses**t. You have no evidence he was flying other than faulty reasoning and questioning the writers, it is never stated by Thor or the writers that he flew, the comic never shows him fly, you never debunked my portal effect point, and to top it off you haven't provided any reason for your claim to be believed. Stop beating this dead horse. Show me other feats.
2.Never shows him teleport just because he appeared there doesn't mean he teleported try again
3.insults not much to address you don't wanna go over it because your wrong
4.You say my evidence is non sense but this entire time you haven't shown any evidence other than "why didn't it show him fly"you haven't provided any evidence
5.And doesn't show him teleport all you do is claim there's a "teleporting effect"that you keep refusing to show me.
And the school bus analogy was to give you a realistic picture it obviously doesn't move faster than light but you are slower than a school bus in the same way that Thor and Superman are slower than the bifrost.
And if all your going to do is avoid an arguement (cuz you've dodged half of my points)and insult me then I guess I won because your resorting to insulting rather than debating.
Your telling me that I seem like a ten year old but here you are getting mad and insulting me as if you were ten.Act your age don't be childish good day :)
2. Same can be said about your argument, it makes more sense for mine
3. Its on you to provide evidence not me. I gave you four other points of evidence.
4. Again, I showed more. You're just too ignorant to admit that
5. I showed you. Bad analogy. Didn't dodge any point, nice try. Nope, you lost pretty badly man, hate to break it to you. I destroyed you. Nah, i'm just pointing out how dumb you sound. Pretty hypocritical to tell me to act my age, huh? Good day.
In post-crisis he broke the barriers of time and space to punch the embodiment of death in the face.
https://imgur.com/gallery/7Pb6Dgq
Also, he did the same thing in infinite crisis when he fought his post-crisis counterpart. He was literally shattering the boundaries of space and time (reality) with his punches. Side note: I know the whole thing about Dan Didio saying none of the crisis are canon indirectly on facebook, but after all the backlash he later said they were canon.
"And even a small black hole is still infinite mass"a black hole doesn't have infinite mass and even if it did you know there are levels to infinity right?
That scan doesn't show thor lifting anything? I'm confused. If you're referring to the part later in the comic where he breaks free of the pressure of a "score of planets", that's misleading at best. He broke free of the energy construct but nowhere does it show him lifting the weight, not with one arm either. It isn't even 20 planets, it's an energy construct with the pressure of 20 planets that he broke free of. That isn't him lifting that amount.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/thor-feats-of-strength/amp/
Website agrees
You know the thing that holds all 9 realms
Which are universes
https://pm1.narvii.com/6440/0abfcf74265c34d385e24459e344bf089594cce3_hq.jpg
RUNE KING THOR IS GREATER THAN THE THOUGHT ROBOT
The context of the World Tree feat is that its supporters like to claim it shows how Thor was strong enough to move the entire 9 Realms by pushing the World Tree Engine, an incalculable feat of strength. What they forgot to remember is that all Thor was doing was pushing the wheel that turned the engine for the World Tree, nothing else. And he was having trouble doing that as well, though I hear his powers were in flux or something at the time.
About the thought robot, I'd move the discussion to that page, not here. I haven't read much about RKT, but my only point is that CAS is incredibly broken. Though Robot is PIS in walking form. His power is literally plot manipulation, he can change the plot of the story to make himself win and can even sense the reader.
And yeah he was unworthy at the time or sum like that so he wasn't at full strength
And would you like to discuss the thought robot vs rkt
(The race of aliens that killed the living tribunal)
You go read secret wars
And the beyonders first words were "verbatim"I highly doubt they'd just coincidentally say the same the word which mean in word for word of the same group and then later on hinted that they may be of the same race.It seems like a creative way of confirming it
It's a long story so I summarized it as best as I could
Superman stopped because Adam turned his back on him. Adam had already done well against Superman and Superman not only admitted he had to go all out when fighting Adam but he was also angry because Adam threw a girl against the wall.
Shazam's lightening is he weakness. To be fair Shazam should have seen that coming.
Magic negates his invulnerability opening him up to be defeated. Sure if it's some lame sorcerer then they won't do much but someone like Shazam or Thor backed by magic will be more than enough
1. Superman is an kryptonian with an extremely powerful body and some coll powers (such as vision blast and vision forms). But Thor is different, Thor hardly uses his quarter power and it makes people lowball him. Thor is as fast as Silver Surfer so stop calling him slowdinson. Thor KO'D Phoenix force. Thor pushed the Ygrassadil Tree (9 realms, as heavy as universe), is equal of Hercules in terms of Strength (lifted entire universe), broke Adamantium multiple times (adamantium took hits from Phoenix Force), easily shattered planets, can shatter suns, demolish worlds, close a dimensional hole.
Thor can manipulate time
Thor was able to keep up with Gorr the God butcher, and Gorr butched entire the god race of a realm. Thor took hits from Phoenix Force, Gorr, Odin, Thanos and etc.
Thor is stronger/more durable
Superman is faster/better reflexes
Thor is better fighter
Superman is more intelligent
But Thor has way larger set of powers (I ignore amps, solar flare, kryptonian martial arts, godblast, thermo blast and antiforce). So i think Thor wins but this is very close fight tho.
@Tyrannus thanks!
I didn't downplay Loki for Christ's sake. I was simply making a point. Every debate I get into you have to involve yourself somehow. Please cut it out. You wonder why I don't like debating, either You or Soul butt in (No offense @Soul, you barely do it anymore)
@Dark_Wing this was fun, but tbh I won't be able to keep continuing this back and forth. So, I'll let you take the W. GG, But one piece of advice, Being rude to your opponent is kinda pitiful. It makes the debate less fun and interesting and can ruin a person's respect for you (I had a whole another comment of debunks but figured it was pointless, you truly are a better debater ;) I regret slacking on my debating skills now :,( )
If you would like me to post what I had wrote then I will. (I hope not lol) But I truly am proud of you, You beat a High B tier debater. Which in my books means you High B-Low A
@Dark_Wing I read comics, Just not as often as others. Life can really be busy at times, I just like debating. (I read the comic like 6 months ago, I didn't remember every key detail)
If you really want to then sure. I can easily keep the debate going but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over.
I agree, I don't read comics too much either so I don't really have the right to criticize you for it.
Also what the heck was in those links? They asked me for my email etc.
"but it will eventually lead to us repeating our same claims over and over."
I agree with you on that point, good bye for now.
Thor Volume 2 #12, Also he didn't stop the god blast. He took it head on
2.Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin?
3. When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment?
"Eternity is a measurement of time not weight"
"Eternity", within the context of that feat, clearly refers to something other than the "infinite time" definition normally used, seeing that it has weight, and thus mass. For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity."
Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people.
https://m.imgur.com/Yte4HSw
https://m.imgur.com/QsCAqWV
https://m.imgur.com/1Mn0Hzt
https://m.imgur.com/8gIu3Oe
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/
Also that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the "last" chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book. Ultraman clearly went insane during the reading of the Book of Infinite Pages, making this explanation valid. One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
No. No you didn't, Can you prove Kyle lifted Hal by himself?
"Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again."
First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unimaginable?s=t Synonym to Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/beyond%20comprehension let me get to the point. For many of us, it's easy to understand the concept of infinity, but we can't comprehend how "big" or "never-ending" it is, or how UNIMAGINABLY humongous it is or in this case how much force is required. A bit of a stretch I know, but I wouldn't post it if I was not confident about it.
"Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams."
Take a chill pill, get a glass of water and calm down. No one is trying to upset you @Wing
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
"1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one."
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-76c2b7d0e13682d93f8380d0aa49ee31
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_SVHdMfklqqsadWvXwGxOZ21oZWFPOs4jnDXggl58kXKe79Oacp6GVlKtUL2MKfQ3scGnrEU7at319V-m3Mpzg-r_C10ufWTRIqo7nHZtz-WUc-2SRiB3ypKazZ8drlsREuB8rzJ=s320
I honestly can't remember the comic issue.
"yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number."
Can you provide a scan please?
*slowly claps hands* Wow....just wow. Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor (Ask Nrmian for the scan), Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk etc etc.
This is fun, hope you can return it :)
Which year was that comic? And that's clearly PIS since the GodBlast can hurt Celestials and was created to kill immortals.
"Um, Can you please prove that claim? I know King Thor is powerful but are you sure he is above Zeus and Odin"
Not only it's stated in God of Thunder by Jason Aaron King Thor also held his own against Galactus for a while when Odin could barley scratch Galactus despite being amped and using all his energy, and the whole reason Odin chilled with an Elder Goddess was to create a son who would surpass him, also there is the simple logic that Odin is only the most powerful Asgardian because of the Odin Force and without it thor would reign supreme.
"When did I ever mention Galactus in my last comment"
Uh, this entire section of this debate started because you thought Galactus being afraid of the GodBlast was PIS.
"For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best: "The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity'
Then why didn't they say Spectre weighed as much as "Infinity?" Also you're ignoring that Hal Jordan Spectre doesn't weigh as much as eternity. I know you're not trying to use Reddit to debate this. And you're also forgetting that Hal was laying down on the ground so dose the Earth now have infinite strength to hold him up? If so then why do heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman have to constantly hold back there power?
"Like....what? Did you read the comic? https://m.imgur.com/a/LPsi32J Mandraak stated it contained all of existence. Meaning the entire DC Multi/Omniverse. And you're going to say "DC only has 52 universes" An infinitely powerful and god-like version of Brainiac abducted multiple superheroes and their core cities from various alternate Earths and eras of the Multiverse and pitted them against one another. Because of the heroes' efforts for the survival of reality during this event, the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour were averted and there is once more an infinite Multiverse beyond the core 52 universes which have made up the local Multiverse since Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint. The original Multiverse coexists along with the collapsed Earth, the core 52 worlds, and all other versions of the Multiverse that have ever existed. In the Dark Nights: Metal storyline, it is revealed that each reality of the Multiverse has a negative counterpart created by the fears of a universe's people."
So is Ultraman now omniscient? Remember The Presence has stated that he's notOmniscient and has proven it by being tricked by John Constantine, so I guess that'll make Ultraman > The Presence. And the Book of Infinite pages is stated to be every book in the multiverse. Also the book of infinite pages was stated by Superman like this: "A book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space"," this contains every book possible!" But remember every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. There is no context to the weight. I guess Superman and Mandrakk contradict each other. Also you have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ultraman didn't read the whole thing static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4187151-4956899914-Super.jpg
The proof is called reading the comic for yourself rather than copying and pasting stuff like a kid who doesn't even read comics.
"First off, you need to make your own style. Don't copy Tracer."
Oh, I'm sorry did @LordRecolorsPowerGirlVSBWslaveTracer trademark the phrase "try again?" I wasn't even thinking about that guy when I wrote that.
"Unimaginable is Unknowable in which Beyond Comprehensible is the synonym to Unknowable"
To us human even a universal feat would be labeled as unimaginable and guess who those comics are supposed to be read by?
Oh, and those Omega Beams would have caught up to Superman had he of not guided them back at Darkseid.
"Can you provide a scan please?"
"Hulk has bodied Warrior's Madness Thor"
Oh my god you're another one of those Hulk fanboys. Aren't you? If you're talking about Hulk #440 then 1: PIS 2: Hulk didn't body Thor he threw him into space the only reason the fight ended was because the government shot nukes at the two nukes that would have killed Thor and before that Thor was matching him blow for blow 3: that wasn't normal Hulk, that was the Maestro which is a different Hulk from the one Stan Lee creates. Don't mind @Nemian he is possessed by Hulk's outlier feats. And I'm pretty sure that Ghosts of the Future isn't canon and takes place in a possible future that's more than likely not going to happen.
"Mangog has bodied Thor, Loki has beat Thor, Wolverine stalemated Thor, Silver Surfer has stalemated Thor IIRC, Death Seed bodied Thor, Void bodied Thor, Gorr bodied Thor, Red Hulk'
I didn't know we were going to use PIS to lowball our characters too but in that case 1: Thor beats Loki more times that vice versa 2: when has if you're talking about Seige then Thor not only defeated but killed Void 3: and if you actually read the comic Thor got right back up after Red Hulk hit him, rushed him down, and was about to kill Red Hulk before the green Hulk stepped in 4: Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times 5: Thor was clearly holding back against Wolverine. Superman has been beaten by Wonder Woman, Shazam, Darkseid, Doomsday, Zod, Back Canary, Deathstroke, and has even been beaten by freaking Alfred of all people despite being able to lift a book that was titled "book of infinite pages" and lifting a green guy who represented time.
Superman fans: *gets angry* Bot, booot, bbboootttsss!
pc superman,mid diffs
n52,high diffs
Odin was the reason why Superman was able to lift the hammer
Superman only has speed bt Thor has magic and super man got no defense vs magic
kid,superman isnt weak to a magical person or object hes weak to magic itself
Supes is weak to magic yet he beat dr fate whose magic is far beyond thors,supes
has defense its called beta state he can stopped magical attack of multiversal dominus with that
Superman's also lost a considerable amount of times to magic users too so that doesn't help him. Magic can kill him
Speed? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer, who is faster than Superman.
Strength? About equal
Combat? Thor is far better fighter.
Durability? About equal
Experience? Thor is much older and have more battle experience
And what if Thor uses godblast? Does Kal has resistance for something can badly hurt Galactus?! Thor wins after a hard fight
Strength without equipment: Superman (can injure Darkseid avatars who are at bare minimum universal)
Strength with equipment: Thor (can knock over Galactus, and injure the Phoenix Force with Mjolnir)
Durability: Thor
Skill/experience: is this even a question?
Power/hax: Thor (magic hammer says it all)
Thor would never use a God Blast on a mortal like Clark or even use his full power in general on a mortal; if he holds back against powerhouses like Hulk and Sentry he'll definitely hold back against Clark.
2. Thor is as strong as Clark without weapons. Clark is fodder to an Avarege avatar. Thor's strength is about limitless like Clark.
2: how is Thor's strength limitless?
2. Who can physically overpower him?
He is god of strength.
And superman will make a great fight. Thor can go warrior madness or see him as a threat. And assuming Sentry and Hulk are Thor's friends. But Clark isn't so he can use godblast
"What are Superman's advantages? Speed? Thor defeated Silver Surfer who is faster than Superman"
1. Just because you defeat someone does not mean you're equal in speed.
2. Superman has outpaced omega beams, raced against Barry and Wally, strike Eobard Thawne, Fly across the universe in 60 days, and more.
"And what if Thor uses a godblast? Does Kal have resistance for something that harmed Galactus?"
You want to use PIS? Lol, Superman has tanked The Omega Beams, Attacks from Soulfire Darkseid, Infinity Man, Parallax, Galaxy destroyers, The Big Bang, Reality Warpers etc. Superman should have the durability to take at least one Godblast, Also what makes you think it could even hit Supes? I already shown his speed.
"Thor's strength is limitless, like Clark's"
No....just no. Neither have "limitless" strength, it can be measured. Superman has shook reality, shatter planets, lift infinite weight 3 times. (The Book of Infinity, The Spectre, And The Source), Thor is strong...but if we include Supe's high showings? No competition
@Dark_Wing you're actually very wrong on Flash's speed, He has quintillions, even reaching into the numbers I can not list. He can travel each individual (I think it was planet) in the DC universe in a day. So...
2: "who can overpower him" uh, Hulk? Hulk at peak rage went blow for blow with Warriors Madness Thor _Hulk 440. "He is god of strength." this is Marvel Comics not Norse mythology.
3: Thor is almost never inclined to use Warriors Madness or the God Blast as his first moves. "Clark isn't so he can use godblast" in mythology "mortal" can be used to describe beings beneath the gods like aliens ie Kryptonians ie Clark Kent and Thor would never use the Godblast on a mortal heck he wouldn't even use half his power on a mortal (read Civil War for evidence).
The Spectre dose not have a known weight it could be just as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, he could be heavy, it could be heavier. The Book of Infinite pages isn't even Infinite Ultraman read through it all. Is he now omniscient? Superman and Diana barley lifted The Spectre and if you read past that point you'd like that Green Lantern was the one holding him; is he know stronger than Diana and Clark combined? When did Superman lift The Source? And didn't Pre Crisis Superman take the Omega Beams, outraced Omega Beans, tanked galaxy destroyers, and the Big Bang? Thor revered the World Engine which I believe held up Infinite universes...so...
Do you have any proof that The Flash is quintillions of times FTL?
Lift 20 planets by one arm (at least earth sized planets)
Throw a planet (godbomb) to the blackhole
Overpower Midgard Serpent (with some calculations it is equal to 170+ sextillion tones of force).
Throw a man outside the atmosphere
Hurt Phoenix
Beat Hulk, Sentry, Hercules and etc.
"Throw a man outside the atmosphere" pfft easy stuff for a superhuman like even Carol Danvers can do that.
"Hurt The Phoenix" A: it was mindraped and weakened before Thor's fight with it B: by catching it off guard C: it was injuring Thor just by exiting and it one shotted him as soon as it realized Thor was a threat. Thor is NOWHERE near the Phoenix Force even as RKT he's still an ant to it.
"Throwing a planet into a blackhole" that's only a planetary feat.
"I didn't say first move. After a very good fight, Thor's attack is going to be godblast. Because Superman is OP like Thor" Superman is still what the Asgardians would call a mortal and he won't use the GodBast on him. For Asgard's sake it's called the God Blast not the "Mortal Blast"
1. Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast
I am listening. Carry on
"Asgardians would call Clark mortal. But after a great fight, Thor will see he is on his level (which Thor thinks is immortal), so he can use GodBlast"
Thor = Asgardians, Asgardians would call Superman a mortal; why would Thor think he's an immortal just because he's comparable to him in strength? Remember Thor goes up against people who aren't gods who rival if not surpass his power examples: Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, Mephisto, Silver Surfer, etc. if he didn't use the God Blast on any of them then why the heck would he do it to Superman? Thor isn't even friends with half the people on that list heck he hates Thanos, Galactus, and Mephisto BTY.
I believe Galactus is a celestial being whose power transcends that of any Asgardian god. Thor also doesn't hold back against people who can take it like Thanos, Mephisto, and Galactus.
"His only advantage is godblast"
Went from thinking Thor had every advantage to thinking his only advantage is his most powerful move in just a few hours. What's changed about you dude?
Yes but then you said "his only advantage is the godblast"
"Thor should use GodBlast before Supes uses Kryptonian Martial Arts."
Didn't I just debunk that?
2. You know better than me how long will this battle countinue. Both are going to stop holding back. They'll get tired of fighting. So Thor will probably use it. Otherwise it is kind of a coin flip.
Uh, okay :D
@Dark_Wing I'm sorry, I didn't read this. That is a very good comment that you wrote, gg.
"MoP the Godblast is a move that can kill immortals like skyfathers like Odin"
Lemme stop you there....I've read quite a few Thor comics and a severely weakened Odin took a Godblast at full force... So...I know The Godblast is powerful...but it isn't going to instantly kill Supes, It'll be a game changer I do admit.
"The Spectre does not have a known weight."
Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity.
"The Book of Infinite Pages is not infinite weight due to Ultrsman reading it"
IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books...
"Superman and Diana barely lifted The Spectre....Green Lantern lifted him"
Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre.
"When did Superman lift the Source"
He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength"
"Didn't Pre Crisis take the Omega Beams, outraced the omega beams, take the big bang?"
No...Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times, He outraced them before and if I could remember the comic I would. It was the same comic that Darkseid hit himself with the beams. He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang
"Thor reversed The World Engine, which holds infinite universes"
Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk
"Do you have proof of Flash being that fast?"
Read my Flash vs Juggernaut battle
In which comic did a weakened Odin stop a GodBlast? The GodBlast has cracked Celestial armor on two separate occasions and damaged Gorr who is stronger than King Thor who is stronger than Odin and Zeus. So uh Galactus dose have a reason to be afraid of it.
"Dude....the writer said eternity. You know, the 4D construct of infinity"
Dude eternity is a measurement of time not weight. Try again. The Unbound Spectre is eternity but that was Hal Jordan Spectre which you'd know if you actually read the comic.
"IIRC he read ONE possibility, I'll have to read the story again but I'm pretty sure that is what it was. The book is the platonic concept of books.."
No, he read the entire comic. Please read these comics before you debate.
"Superman and Diana barely lifted INFINITE weight. Was it Hal Jordan? Cause you know. He was the Spectre."
I've already debunked that it was Infinity and yes It was Hal Jordan but Kyle Rayner was the one lifting him which you'd know if you've read the comic.
"He didn't, He pulled High father's staff from the Source. Which requires "unimaginable strength""
Unimaginable doesn't mean infinite. Try again.
"Superman in post crisis and new 52 has took hits from The Omega Beams numerous times,"
Don't put words in my mouth I never asked wasn't it PC Superman who took hits from Darkseid I asked didn't PC Superman "OUTRACE" the Omega Beams.
"He's outraced the Omega Beams in the same comic where Darkseid hit himself with the Omega Beams and He has tanked blasts from Imperiex. Who has the power equivalent to The Big Bang"
1: In which comic did either of those happen? 2: Big Bang is universal PIS addition Thor has multiversal and even a hyperversal one.
"Doesn't it only have 9 realms? Or was it infinite dimensions? Idk"
yes it holds up infinite universe the nine realms are the ones Odin rules over but there's more to Yggdsail than what Odin rules over. If you want proof it's been implied that Yggdrasil holds up an infinite amount of realms I just can't remember the comic number. Thor has another infinite strength feat and here it is: in Secret Wars the Beyonder says Hulk has infinite physical strength and Thor has locked arms with him proving to be his equal, stalemated him without weapons, and has beaten him like ten times what makes this more impressive is when you realize Thor always holds back even while fighting powerhouses like the Hulk and Sentry which has been stated and shown multiple times.
(You caught me, I don't really read comics that much. Just a knowledgeable person. You might be above me debate wise @Dark_Wing which I am proud to say. You have evolved so much as a debater)
Wow what an absurd thing to believe
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). While in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Invulnerable (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Sun's Earth without getting hurt, holding back the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous red Sun weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. It can make this ray invisible and reduce its scale to microscopic. His heat vision is able to burn and melt whatever he wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body continually absorbs and saves which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that is able to be lifted is not known until now, indicating that the alien from Krypton is almost able to lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun) , he will definitely win the fight against THOR!!
Aka, not in this battle.
Marvel's Asgardian hero has casually lifted the biggest mountain in his home realm, he has punched so hard that he nearly killed the Hulk himself in a physical altercation, he has opened a black hole through the sheer impact of his punches alone and he made a nearby moon crumble in the same way.
The creators of bouth choose to have them be something much more than only Human.
They are beyond the human species and our planet earth because they are more powerful than anything coming from this world. A Mythological warrior God worshiped in northern europe around 200 Ad to 1100 Ad. The Scandinavian vikings Thundergod and champion who battled the giants and the Serpent larger than our planet Jormungander with his mighty warhammer Mjolnir.
An Alien from the planet called Krypton with powers on pair with he gods, a Superpowerful Alien with godlike powers.
The sun feeds the Kryptonians cells with power and makes Superman extremely powerful.
The superior Combat skills and expirience of Mighty Thor gives him an advantage in this battle.
The Versatility is superior for the god allowing diffrent ways to defeat his opponent. Mjolnir may absorb the energy straight out of the Kryptonians body leaving him weak.
Superman is weak to magic and Mighty Thor is based of Magic. He may use diffrent types of magical fueled attacks to defeat Superman.
The life energy of a god the Godforce may be realsed in devastating blasts called the Godblast. Magical in nature and with devastating power this attack would kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is faster and his chans to be victorious is to use this advantage trying to separate Mjolnir from Thor.
Then use this advantage to punch the god more times than Thor punch him.
They are very even in strength bouth able to increase it several times over again.
Mighty Thor got more advantages and the edge, the God of Thunder wins.
He might not be as smart, but we can't forget that Thor is much older than Superman, giving him the edge in combat. He shouldn't have a problem coming up with a plan, let alone exploiting Superman's weaknesses.
These are just a couple of ways I see Thor winning. I might add on later.
THOR GIVE FIGHT BACK BUT SUPERMAN BEAT HIM AND LEFT THE HAMMER