Thor Thor can draw magnetic energy using mjolnir and can hit superman.He drew magentic enrgy from the core of the planet and used it as an Omega level attack on celestial Arishem.
What's speacial with this??
A similar attack from Hawkman with the "Claw of Horus" laid Superman out.
Thor can draw the solar energy out of Superman like he did the Presence. The Presence was easily Herald level if not close to Skyfather level
Thor can absorb Superman's heat vision in his hammer and fire it back at Superman with 100x or even 1000x times modified magnified.
Thor absorbs and redirects a planet destroying beam of energy from amped Thanos.
Not to talk of it can absorb Loki’s immortality.
Just a small focused blast of heat vision was able to make Superman bleed. Imagine what a full power blast of heat vision made 100x more powerful would do to clark..
Thor A lot of your arguments are almost exclusively for Thor. And considering the way you like to skew things for Thor, its become apparent they perhaps the fanboy here is you.
Thor@Tyrannus Why exclusive for thor?
I've provided evidences to proove those abilities could work on superman,considering the way hawkman was able to k.o superman and his heat vision pierced his own skin..
Thor I only talk about how thor wins because i personally think there is no way for superman beating thor..Its my personal opinion,u cant oppose this..
There r lot of people here dont even know what are thor's powers and abilities, and they dont even try to know about them.They simply assume themselves as thor is only about a hammer and lightning.That's why i post scans of thor's abilites..I've also provived proofs to show how these powers affect superman.
And yes,iam a thor fanboi.But,i've never argued in the wrong way,i've never been too toxic on anyone like some of the superman fanbois in this site,i always tried my best to provide proofs for my statements.
Ok,i know the reason behing ur reply ..
I am sorry to call Gladiator fanboi..But,answer me honestly, Are'nt u a Hulk fanboy?
Thor@Siddu You accused me of being a Gladiator fanboy even though I like Thor more. However whenever I see your comment its all about how Thor wins. The problem isn't with me, its you.
Trust me, most people here know what Thor's capable of. He's arguably the most talked about hero here with his feats being shown almost daily.
No because I actually prefer the Red Hulk. What makes you think I prefer the green?
Thor Yeah,Most of the time i only comment about thor,but not all the time.Go to my latest comments,and check..Its because i dont want to interfere in other arguments,i will interfere in arguements related to thor because i know completely about thor and iam confident at what i was commenting..Like i already said,i talk about thor wins only when he really wins(atleast when iam truely confident)..
I bet most of the people here dont have any idea about hawkman beating Superman with claw of horus,there are some people here who want to defend superman' vulnerability to magic,so i posted scans about them..I dont know anout this site,but i found people acknowledging about thors power set at many places..
Thor@Tyrannus Actually, ur the one who made that battle page,voted him,tagged my name and u've stopped argueing me in hulk vs gladiator page ,and commented "ur arguments make more sense"..I know,u've done this just to insult me and make my arguements look like a "joke".These things increased my anger and made me to call u a "fanboy"..
Just because i talk about thor most of the time doesn't mean iam biased towards thor and doesnt proove iam "problematic".
If u really have a serious problem with me,i will never argue u again in my life..
Thor I didn't know you've commented on Hulk vs Gladiator. I'll check after this.
I don't insult people, I was just calling you out on the hypocrisy of calling me a Gladiator fanboy. You've since retracted though so its ok.
You admitted that your a Thor fanboy though.
Thor@Tyrannus I've mentioned u a fanboy only in the battle page u've created ,as a reply to what u have done to me.If u dont want to insult me,why did u create that page,why did u tag my name?,U should have done that if i failed to reply u in hulk vs Gladiator page,but i didnt...By,the time u created that page, i've already replied u..Did i mention u as a gladiator fanboy anywhere else other than single page ??What is the need to reply saying iam biased in this battle page??So,u want to tell people in this battle page that ,iam a biased fanboy because i've called u a gladiator fanboy in a page where there are hardly 10 people are present..If i really wanted to insult u,i might have mentioned u as a gladiator fanboy in other battle pages like galdiator vs sentry or gladiator vs silversurfer, vs hulk,..(Once again sorry for mispronunciations)
Thor@Siddu What did I do to you? Create that battle page? That doesn't justify insults. I made that page because everything you were saying made sense there. Because Gladiator wasn't just facing Thor.
I'm pretty sure I did ping your name on Hulk vs Gladiator.
Like I've already said, I never called you a fanboy back. Stop lying now.
I voted against Gladiator on Hulk and Sentry so what you said doesn't make sense. And even on Silver Surfer its because Thanos saw him as the bigger threat. @MaseTheFace Who said its beef? Your acting like you've never seen a debate before.
Thor in terms of pure physical strength superman may have an edge but if we take all their abilities together then thor is above him in most. so thor will win but with a hard fight
Thor Superman is considered as slightly above thor in terms of pure strength ,because he have 5-6 "infinte" strength feats whereas thor have 2-3 .This is because,the way writers write them and give them feats.Even,thor have potential to perform feats done by superman.But,still superman was assumed as 2nd most strongest hero after hulk,and thor as 3rd.But,Thor's striking strength is higher than superman's.Thor with mjolnir have way better striking feats compared to superman., upon that mjolnir is an enchanted weopon to which superman is extremely vulnerable.
Thor thor's full potential is way more than super man's potential but thor barely uses it . if he uses it then it will be a threat to the whole universe. so superman cannot win and the things u say are pretty correct
Thor Comparable stats but Thor doesn't have any weaknesse. Superman is weak to red sun radiation and Magic.
Thor can just open a portal to a red star
Thor wins due to magic & Mjolnir haxs IMO
Thor Superman is probably vulnerable (not weak, just susceptible like your average human being) to Thors lightning... and if that's the case, Thor has this battle in the bag. Amplifying the power of lightning by 10,000x and then on top of that, Thors "Warrior Madness", Superman is finished. Superman might get a few good hits in, but Thor being the literal God he is can take a few Super punches.
Thor Exactly!Superman was shown vulnerable to magical attacks from even street tier villains,especially Magical lightning!If thor uses magical powers gifted by his mother,superman gets stomped!..Nomatter how hard these fanbois defend there hero,truth is truth!
Thor This is for the people who think superman dont get hurt by thor's lightning -
#In Action comic #835,Livewire fights superman,though it didnt kill superman,but it hurt him badly,
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightning
#it was summoned with the Trident so yeah it’d still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#And this..
# superman himself once stated ,his powers dont work against magic,including invulnerablility(to Phantom Stranger)
And yes,magic may not kill superman, because he is superman,but it definitely hurts him more badly compared to others!Atleast magical lightning...
Now,take a look at Thor's lightning-
#His lightning made Death Seed Sentry scream in pain,Sentry was actually flying at light speed during that time,so dont expect superman to dodge every lightning attack from thor!(And it was sentry in full potential, sentry is more durable than superman if iam not wrong!)
#And my favourite one is,it even hurt Amatsu Mikaboshi badly and made him scream in pain,a being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!!
#Even knocked Savage hulk temporarily,
#Shattered a dimensional barrier created by Odin!
#Thor's lightning killed Void(though sentry himself wants to die,still it was a good feat for thor,because sentry knows only thor has enough power to do it)
Still there are tons of other lightning feats i can show,and i am not even talking about Godblast,.and thorforce..
And apart from his ligning,thor also have powers of his mother Gaea.He can use it whenever he wants.Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand ,as she is a multiversal god(i dont mean thor is also a multiversal god,but he have access to her power),and thor rarely revokes that power,(which includes Earth manuplation, Elemental control,terrakinesis,etc).Thor also had access to her magic...
"LET THY POWER BE REVOKED"
Its funny to see how majority of the people acknowledge the fact,thors powerset also includes-Magical powers gifted by gaea,learnt some sorcery from loki,can even can cast illusiom and magical spells,and his hammer is pure magical..Imagine superman's condition if thor uses his magical powers,
For me,this is a STOMP..
Neutral This fight for me is honestly 50/50. The 2 already did clash in a canon JLA/Avengers Crossover. Superman said that he "barely" beat Thor. He also said Thor is the single hardest opponent he has ever beaten, so technically Thor could win if the fight again. So the fight is 50/50.
Thor@BaroBeo Even,comicvine,killermovies, vsbattle,quora,etc are full of fanbois..Fanbois are everywhere.I personally found this website is bit better than those crap websitez.
Thor@phamhungbao Nope.Nobody attacks u.Just ignore them(toxic fanbois).I myself a thor fan,but not a toxic fanboi like most of the sup's fanbois in this site.Heroes like sentry,silver surfer,dr strange have better hax but lack Superstrength;Heroes like hulk,hercules have superstrength but lack hax/Versaitility,But Thor is the one who can match superman in strength and speed, can outclass superman in durability, power and Versaitility in powers.That's why thor beats superman pretty much easily..
Neutral@Siddu yeah I agreed with the hardcore toxic fanboys.Honestly if somehow Screw Attack Death Battle made Thor vs Supes they gonna end it like Goku vs Supes part 1&2 and I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.
Neutral Funny coming from toxic dc fanboys lol. Just because more people are actually saying why Thor wins there not Marvel tards there actual debaters and don’t sit here complaining like you both
Neutral DC fanboys, 73% of people like Marvel more than DC both companies are great, but just cause you a lazy ass doesn't mean your husband Superman takes this.
Thor If thor knows superman's weakness to redsun,he does this😅-
He can simply open portal to redsun by swinging mjolnir in the speed of 3xftl,.
Here,thor opening a portal covering entire town,!!and remember, thor can open portals to whereever he focus and imagins.. .
"SHOULD THE PORTAL HE IS CREATING OPEN TO A SUN OR STAR"
Here,thor shows how easily he can open portal (within less than a second).
So,Either superman gets weakend by redsun radiations or thor pushes him to portal opening directly to surface of redsun using all of his strength ,superman should run away from battlefield inorder to be alive...
Here,thor teleported a group of villains without even them noticing.Thor can just teleport/banish superman to dark dimension or redsun without even superman noticing..
Neutral for me it’s a toss up, Superman is amazing but so is Thor. in terms of strength Thor isn’t far from Supes. And as for speed, Thor can react to Silver Surfer who is actually much faster than Superman in my opinion. Thor has way more experience and he has his thousands of years of battle knowledge. But The Man of Steel is great too, he had dealt with many gods in the past. I give the fight a 50/50.
Thor@Hyperbacha,No ur wrong!Winner is who ever is more durable.Durable in the sense who evr have "PlotArmour".So,the winner is Who ever the writer wants to😂😉
Thor Glad to see the votes are still where they should be. I remember a time when Superman had more votes, but then @Galactus deleted a ton of alternate accounts, which in turn made it to where Thor was winning. Makes you think who the worst fanboys are.
Superman@Sirspidey Tell me how many people have showed arguments for Superman on this website. I've only seen Mr_Incognito and Emptyhand support him.
If you keep scrolling down. There's pictures of Thor with a beaten up Superman. Also there's you. You vote Rune King Thor over the One-Above-All. There's people that overrate Thor on this site a bunch they put him at 465 BILLON which is dumb. Is Superman overrated on this site? Not as much as Thor.
Thor@SSpiderGwen Bro,sorry to interfere.R u checking votes count??I can see constant rise in votes for both superman and thor.Too many thor fanbois in a single website??how is it possible bro??And This is the only website in which instead of only arguements,people can cast their votes to their respective character.If thor is truly overrated in this website,there would be a significant votes gap between superman and thor.But,only 4.2% gap??Do u think this small gap is due to thor fanbois?Even if u go to quora,and searth thor and superman,u will find most of the comic experts stating thor wins over superman.So,u think even quora is full of thor fanbois?
And if thor is overrated,Rkt might have more votes over cas,thor might have more votes over sentry,dr strange,dr fate,and many more...
Superman@SSpiderGwen I agree with you 100% also there are a ton of legit comics that I can't copy and paste for some reason that Superman beat the crap out of Thor and even stopped his hammer.. unfortunately I think I need an I phone of something...also so.eone said about someone having multiple accounts, man do you actually think the guy had like 68 email accounts just to have Superman win,I'll tell you how Thor is winning,he's winning because as of now he's more popular in the media right now like movies etc etc..it's not a popularity contest or who you like more,if that was the case I would vote HULK on every single battle because he's like one of my top favorite characters,but he would lose to Superman as well.. anyway IMO SUPERMAN WOYKD DESTROY THOR AND TO BE HONEST I ACTUALLY LIKE THOR A TINY BIT MORE THAN SUPERMAN
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys Bro,this is battle between comic verisons thor and superman,there is a separte pagw for move verisons.People are smart enough to know what page is between comic verisons and what is between movie verisons.Why r u bringing about popularity all the time??Do u know how much popularity does superman has??Superman is worlds 2nd most popular hero,.What makes u think in that manner?Even there are many snyderverse and dceu Superman fans present here.If this is battlr between superman dceu and thor mcu i wilk agree,superman may defeat thor,but thor in comics is beast compared to a cat in mcu.Even if people consider mcu verison of thor,nobody would vote for thor if they have seen snydercut.Do u know how popular is jl snydercut??It was still trending in hbo max.
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys
And never again dare to say u like thor more than superman...U dont deserve to say that!According to u superman is better hero than thor,superman is stronger and durable than thor ,thor is an ant infront of superman,superman stomps thor and u say u like thor bit more than superman. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Superman@Siddu
I hear you bro..by the way I know people asked you before,how do you post up pix on this website,I'm unable to do it on Samsung..tried everything..?? please let me know.. anyway my point is I know it's the comics,but certain people will still look at the NOW meaning the box office success of MCU and also their favorite character ,yea Superman is recognized as the most popular character ,it all started with him..he's #1 on IGN TOP HEREOS BUT you have a bunch of kids that will vote for Thor not even knowing how powerful Superman is .for instance I like the hulk and Batman top 3 HEREOS but I won't vote Batman or hulk over Superman even though I like them better..other people..as far as the punk ass that is kinda threatening on the post below you,he's probably lives at home with mommy an daddy and thinks he's a tuff guy who has superpowers...maybe he's Thor's father ODIN..at least your mature about your post..that shows your personality traits are better..when you get a chance maybe give me some advice.. regardless Thor is very powerful and I do like him little better than Superman but I still think Superman would kill him...Oh my bad ,that punk is you hahaha...oh well that's funny,I don't know how to take that comment..maybe you should apologize and I'll take what I said back..cool?
Thor So,ur taking back ur words?Ok then,i apologize😅!
(caustion:I was gamaatically bit weak,plz try to understand if u find any grammatical errors in my explanation 😅)Actually even i too dont know how to post pics before. @phamhungbao explaned me everything clearly whem i asked him..Ok,follow these steps:
1)First what u have to do is,copy the link text of image and paste it here.
2)Then keep "img" in [ ]at the starting of link and keep "/img" in [ ]at the ending of link,..then ur imahe will get posted.
3)For example,i will replace 'g' in img with imn and www with yyy and com with zzz.
[imn]yyy . sdd . zzz[/imn]
Superman Thor's hammer could be taken away. What if Superman becomes worthy then? Fight's over then. All Superman has to do is just dodge his lightning strikes and since he's faster than Thor. He could probably dodge a Godblast from him as well. Thor is a good hero but Superman is just a better one at it. Superman is a really good person and even Batman has admitted this. He said deep down Superman is a good person and deep down he isn't. Superman saves people everyday and he's humble unlike Thor. Thor is a barbarian that's who he is. I'm not trying to put a dispatched dislike comment on him. I'm just saying he isn't anywhere of the good deeds of what Superman does.
Thor So,thor is a badguy.Superman good guy.And thors hammer is toy which can be lifted by any fool on earth.Godblast can be dodged...Superman is more humble,but thor is drunkard!
(seems like ur Jason Auron's assistant 😅)
Kids now a days...
Superman He's not saying he's a bad guy, your taking it out of perspective..he just saying superman saves people on a daily basis and Thor goes into wars most of the time..Thor still good he's fighting bad people..but he's right Superman would dodge anything coming from Thor..I said that I'n a prior post..and he's alot stronger and durable...Thor would lose
Thor Nah bro,it depends on how fast he throws mjolnir. He casually throws mjolnir at normal speeds agsint mortals.But,when he needed,he can throw mjolnir to infinite speeds.I already said,thor once thrown mjolnir to 10 universe which travelled and came back in less than a minute,in another issue,thor throws mjolnir to farthest region in galaxy which again travelled and returned back in 58 seconds. U under estimate thor alot bruh.Thor even thrown mjolnir more than "thought" speed of loki.In mu,speed of thoght is almost "uncaluclable".It was caluclated as almost trillion times faster than light.I am not wanking thor,everthing was calucalted by many comic experts in youtube,quora,etc.If thor throws mjolnir with his true might!then superman can never dodge it.
Silver surfer a being who can move 5million times faster than light with less than 0.001 nano seconds reaction speed,failed to dodge mjolnir,not once ,many times.There are many more scans to proove this.Thor usually dont throw mjolnir that hard against mortals on earth,that is why some may dodge it,but ss is a cosmic being.Earth has avengers ,avengers has hulk ,so there is no need of thor most of the time because most of earthly villains in marvel are << thor even if u consider their feats in comic.Thor and superman are equally durable according to feats,both tanked universal level attacks,nuclear Explosions and many more.But,thor has advantage over superman, he can create force feilds with the help of mjolnir,can absorb almost everytype of radiation or enrgy or any magical attacks with mjolnir and he is even durable to magic to some extent,even lokis magic has no use on thor,loki needed power from surtur to make his magic effective on thor.But,superman??he is severaly vulnerable to magic ,i am not saying he is weak to magic,but he has no defence against magic and gest hurted by magic just like a normal being hurted.Ther are even some feats to proove superman is weak to magical lightning, but...i dont want to argue on that!
Thor This is what thor usually does when he stops holding back speed-
Here,it was mentioned clearly that he was fighting faster than light speed!
Here,Jane foster an inferior version of thor operating multiple people in fraction of secondsJane stated that she moved in speed of lightning.She has to think,percieve things, move hands and operate in lightning speed...
Here,thor blitzing loki literally faster than thought speed!!!In marvel universe,speed of thought is far faster than speed of light..
Here,thor moving his hand nd punching in microsecond(0.0000001th second)!!
Thor is fast enough to evade tank shells.
Here,thor blitzing entire army of malekith forces across all the continents on earth in "seconds"!!And he did it without mjolnir!
Thor once again running in lightning speed and punching venom..
Here,in the above feats,thor is moving faster than light or atleast he can move in the speed of lightning he commands,so it may be faster than speed of normal lightning!..
There are even plenty of feats more from classic days ,modern age and current verison to proove Thor is a lot faster.
Technically,he can be "As Fast AS HE NEEDED"!
I have seen many fools in comicvine and other websites trieng to downplay thor and misleading things by showing those "debunked" antifeats again nd again,but they acknowledge tons of other speed feats.
Thor "Superman speed kill thor",lol!!
Thor is actually a superspeed guy.Thor is initially lot faster,but he restrains his "superspeed" and can use only when needed just like he uses for wind manup,lightnings,transmutation,energy absorption,etc.He can even move in speed of his own lightning if he stops restrainng it.Hela,adam warlock,stated it,and thor himself stated it twice.This is why Jane a normal human being after weilding mjolnir does some crazy things like performing surgery of multiple people in fraction of seconds with "lightning speed"(same mentioned in that issue),stopped bullet in midair,fighting odin in space when flying in ftl speed,and many more...This is because "any being who weilds mjolnir possess powers of thor"(stated by Odin), those powers also includes "Superspeed".It was even mentioned in offical marvel website that superspeed is an ability granted by weilding mjolnir.So,this abilities can be "restrained" and used when needed.This is what thor does when he faces street level heroes or any mortal being.
He himself mentions it manytimes.I know,even heroes like superman holds back a lot on earth but he cant restrain his speed ability unlike thor, cause it was a godly type ability but not scientifical type ability.
Here captain america states that his clones cant restraint like thor so they are pretty hard to dealt with.
Thor once clearly mentions that he holds back his "true might" on earth.
But,still these lowballer goes on pointing his antifeats facing with mortal beings..
Thor @ Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys,Did u even watch that video?only thumbnail contains there movie verison images,in video he explained who will win in comic verions clearly,he made a separate video on mcu and dceu versions..
Thor@Mr_Incognito I know a salty fanboi is gonna argue on that channel😂.What more can i except from a superman fanboi??..and nobody is arguing that,this video is any kind of proof for showing thor>superman or anything else...If u dont want to agree this,then dont agree!why to give hate to him!??..Danco was never biased towards anybody,he dont have any need to be biased to towards anyone.. whenever he gives victory to a marvel character,few guys appear in comment section ,they are gonna abuse him like hell🤦♂️,they are absolutely toxic😂 ...
Thor@Siddu You talk of toxicity and being a salty fanboy but the way you reacted to @Mr_Incognito's comment was almost like that of what you just described.
Thor@Tyrannus Yeah😅 I was bit too toxic.
sorry @Mr_Incognito,..but,I dont mean to be hurt him,but i found many guys in comment section who are too toxic on that youtuber(Danco).There's nothing wrong in that video,if somebody dont like his videos,no need to watch his videos,why to spread hate on him?
Neutral@Siddu totally agreed DC fans are toxic than Marvel fans.Thor fought beings like the Hulk,Silver Surfer,Thanos,Galactus,Odin the all father,Sentry,Phoenix Force,Hyperion on daily basis and DC fans “ Superman solo fictions no way anyone can beat him”.This website is full of marvel,dc toxics even more toxic than anime fans
Neutral @ here the link https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/a6/a4/b3a6a43ca4fbe702477b5362b83d51c8.jpg.if you want to post this picture touch the help button and read the examples of how to post image pictures https://www.superherodb.com/superman-vs-thor/90-103/#comment_help
Neutral@Siddu here the link https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/a6/a4/b3a6a43ca4fbe702477b5362b83d51c8.jpg .Do you see the image or img word in help button.Just put the img in [ ] in the front of the link and put /img in [ ] at the end of the link. If you succeed the it will post the picture like this
Neutral@Siddu Similar to YouTube,here the YouTube link:https://youtu.be/77bKf_fgR7U
If you want to post YouTube videos put yt in [ ] in the front of the link and put /yt in [ ]at the end of the link.If you do it correctly it will post the YouTube video
Neutral@Siddu here the quora link:https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman just type the url and put url in [ ] in the front of the link and type /url and put /url in [ ] at the end of the link,if you do this correctly it will post like this https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman
Thor Thanks a lot for repling.
It actually worked for posting yt video.But..but..not working for posting image😭😭😭 . i typed
img in [ ] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/423338433731876303/ /img in [ ] (i entered img inside [ ] only)..
But after posting it,nothing is showed,.my answer was blank!
Superman DESTROYED A GALAXY WITH A SNEEZE
comics!
13 DESTROYED A SUN.
14 DRAGGED A GALAXY. ...
15 CREATED A SUN. ...
16 HELD A BLACK HOLE IN HIS HANDS. ...
17 MOVED THE SUN. ...
18 BENCH PRESSING THE EARTH (FOR FIVE DAYS) ...
19 PUNCHING TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. ...
20 200 QUINTILLION TONS... ONE-HANDED. ...
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Superman@Tyrannus but still he sneezed a bunch of stuff out of the way like planets etc if that's true what you say..it's still classified as a feat..bottom line is it would be a tuff fight..and it's Superman,don't matter which one..imo
Superman Ps I'm.nit a Superman fannn ummm.more of a hulk or Batman or Dr Manhattan but I'm basing this on reality..if this was real Thor would have a problem..he can throw his hammer all day because Superman would dodge anything that comes at him..he's way too fast took durable and way stronger..if he can lift with ease a quintillion lbs with one arm I'm sure he could reach up to more than a sextillion lbs or beyond like septillion or octillion lbs.. Thor is not as strong
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys It does matter because not only was Pre-crisis Superman more powerful, he'd inhaled the magic dust from Mxy.
The myth of Superman being faster is getting a bit ridiculous now. I can see others are starting to use my original scans for Thor so I'll provide some new ones.
Thor shifted the World Engine attached to yggdrasil (multiversal feat).
Durability may go to Superman but then again Superman's weak to magic while Thor is magic.
Superman Superman has superior speed feats, such as the monitor ship missiles he destroyed by flying around the entire volume of the DC multiverse in the space between a heartbeat. Thor is by no means slow, but Superman is faster.
Thor@Mr_Incognito,👏😂
This wanking superman to next level.
Supermans best feat is flying across Dc universe "after sixty days" and ur bringing feats from ur imagination.
Thors best feats is throwing mjolnr to 10 universes in a minute or less and returned back to him.Thor himseld stated that he can travel evenly with speed of mjolnir
Thor@Mr_Incognito,the feat u have mentioned is not really happened.Before the whole story started time was frozen.
She states-"I invented this..hmm..chrono paralizer to freeze time here in universe designate zero"..
Superman Well, time was moving when he performed the feat, otherwise he would be frozen too lmao. And I didn’t make the feat up, you just recognized that.
Thor Did u see my comment?She wantedly frozen time for superman.So she exlcluded superman from that effecr.If she will include superman, what is use of freezing time?😅..I enquired many feats bruh,the best i found was that flying across dc universe including black holes in 60 days.Even,many superman experts in quora mentioned same feat!..
Superman That also isn’t true because if everything besides Superman was frozen then Lois Lane’s heart wouldn’t beat and the monitor ships wouldn’t be moving.
Thor Nah bro..Luis Lane's heart beat was been stopped."As it thaws her heart beat will beat once only without ur aid and then "STOP""!!Even in that picture,in the heart rate monitor, her heart beat was shown stopped..
Thor Thor has lifted 20 planets with one hand and stalmated hurc in a arm wrestle the same guy who lifted the heavens and he's reversed the world engine which is infinite in weight he's injured chaos king with lightning killed glory with ten thousand gods in one also he knocked knull jaw off and only way knull won is because he detracted him and knull ripped sentry in half and eat the void he's throw hulk to space with one hand he's consistently clapped galactus and one shotted death and you guy thing so Cape boy can win thor is above superman in every stat by miles
Superman Where are the facts? Superman can lift dozens of planets too ,he actuyblew one up by sneezing...Superman is FASTER,Thor wouldn't see him coming
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys
Lmao,bro u dont know anything about thor ,this thing was clear🤣😂.
Thor can clearly see Ego the living planet moving in Hyperspace,i.e.5000×light speed and he even outraced it!Not once,3 TIMES!!!
Thor Its because of comments like this that I haven't changed my vote from Thor to neutral.
Magic's the only reason why I think Thor can edge the win but when I ask for counter arguments all I hear are "magic's not a weaknesses".
Thor Thor has lifted 20 planets with one hand and stalmated hurc in a arm wrestle the same guy who lifted the heavens and he's reversed the world engine which is infinite in weight he's injured chaos king with lightning killed glory with ten thousand gods in one also he knocked knull jaw off and only way knull won is because he detracted him and knull ripped sentry in half and eat the void he's throw hulk to space with one hand he's consistently clapped galactus and one shotted death and you guy thing so Cape boy can win thor is above superman in every stat by miles
Thor Thors lightning is magical,evrytime superman got beatenup by blackadam lightning.Thors lightning has no limit,and it is pure magical..Thor easily hurts superman.
Superman I voted for Superman but I have to say Thor’s magic is a good argument, hand to hand I feel like Superman would take it but Thor with Mjolnir would be a big problem
Thor Only fanboys think superman is not weak to magic.Atlas knockd superman badly,wonder woman defated suprman 2 times,enchantress defeated superman,and there instances when whole jl is not affected by magic but only superman git affected,evn in dceu kryptonians are weak to magic,wonderwoman couldnt even bring a crack to stepen wolf axe but she easily cut doomsday leg like slicing butter,ww sword is magically enchanted,superman can absorb vey few kinds of magic that too weak magic,thors magical life force almost killed galactus,asgaurdian magic is universal level , and odin used asguardian magic to defeat multiversal beings also,Supeman gest cuberstomped!
Thor There was a time when superman was immune to everything,literally everything,that is silver age superman ,but that one is rebooted,current new 52 sup or post crisis superman has many feats which proves he is too weak to magic!
Superman Superman who is weak to magic is Pre-Crisis, for the current version the author himself says that he is not weak to magic but can still be affected by magic like other characters.
Thor Silver age superman superman is not weak,dc just depowered characters after end of silver age for plot purposes,dc introduced him few weaknesses high frequencypitch, powerful magic(not ordinary).He may immune to some weak kinds of magic but he is weak to powerful magic.U may argue ,then how could he killed gods ?? Answer is simple,all the gods he defeated is not himself alone,he got his team,and additional weopons temlararily(ex: an encharted sword which absorbs sunlight sword),the main weopon he has is so called "PLOT DEVICE",but that doesn't work when he battles with another plot device carrier,
Thor yeah,i agree he is not weak to that extent to which kryptonite,like he couldnt even breathe in a room containing kryptonite, but he is surely weak,no matter to what extent fanbois defend there hero.
Check these issues:
1.PC Superman Cut By Double Down’s Magic Playing Cards. Superman Secret Files and Origins 2004
2. PC Superman v Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman 219 (2005)
3. PC Superman v Viking. Superman-Batman 21 (2005)
4. PC Superman v Shazam. Superman 216 (2005)
5. PC Superman v Arion. Superman 663 & 664 (2007)
6. PC Superman v Atlas. Superman 678 & 679 (2008)
7. New 52 Superman Cut To Ribbons By Magic Teeth. Justice League Dark 1 (2011)
8. New 52 Superman Wrecked By Magic Lightning. Justice League 16 (2013)
9. Rebirth Superman. Wrecked By Enchantress. Justice League vs Suicide Squad 2 (2017
Thor if u stilk think superman is not weak to magic,then black adam almost killed superman with his magical lightning, i already mentioned thor the god of thunder whose lightning is magical and godblast is to another level it is even thors lifeforce,superman could turn into ashes!
In an animated show "justice league unlimited" ,shazam mentions "you know you've never been any good against magic and magic what i am all about!"when fightning with superman,same shazam knocked out by batmans missile.All this things are PLOT things!In other fights where superman won against magical enemies due to just plot armour!
I dont know why nobody enquires and cares about all these things,they simply state superman is not weak to magic and they try to defend him!
Thor Yeah,sometimes plot needs him to win! But not all the time,majority of the times he got beaten up with magic,u should take consideration of the antifeats which i have mentioned!ok according to u superman is not weak to magic but one thing is sure that superman is enough vulnerable to magic,he himself once stated with phantom stranger that “my powers doesnt work with magic”.And his speed factor didnt work well enough with solomun granyd(technically a magical based enemy),enchantress,and others.
Thor Upon this point,Thor has great advantage here.Both superman and thor are equally durable accoriding to there feats,both tanked universal level attacks, massive explosions,supernova explosions,blackholes,….many more,….But thor is extra resistent to magic! Evn loki’s magic doesn’t work with thor,loki needed his magic at full potential and with powers of surtur who is at odinlevel could barely work on thor! So thor is more durable than superman if u take consideration of my point.And thor can easily hurt superman with his magic, i have already mentioned that superman is not weak to magic to extent of kryptonium but is more vulnerable to superman than others.Superman can able to defeat shazam majority or times because ,first of all PLOT freind,PLOT!,and secondly shazam has power of gods but not all the magic of gods and same in the case of black adam also,only there lightning is magical not there strentgh,and shazam is not more stronger than superman and shazam dont even have enough feats that could match superman or thor, but in the case of thor,thor is alot stronger than shazam(according to feats) , and thors additional strentgh mjolnir which is an enchanted weopon could even hurt superman more.Thor has odin force or thor force which at full potential is at multiversal level!And shazams lightning is limited,it is not that level to what thor uses…Thor can even hurt ego the living planet which a celestial level being with his lightning , and there is no limit to thors lightning, and thor once stated that ‘“All the lighting in all the worlds in universe flows in my veins”.
Thor brucewayne123,how is superman winning.Didnt thor defeat the "glory and the patheon of 10000 gods"??didnt he defeat mephisto in his dimension who accoring to living tribunal a multiversal threat,didnt he defeat dark winter with godblast,didnr he almost killed galactus,??😏
Superman Unfortunately it's a popularity contest vote..all the movies and stuff..I mean Thor is extremely powerful I give that to him but Superman is on another level..as far as strength, durability and speed...I also think he's alittle more intelligent than Thor as far as combat , Thor probably has that on SUPERMAN..I don't think alot of people know what Superman can do and his feats etc..
Thor unfortunately u 2 guys dont know about feats of thor in comics.If u know them u must have known that both superman and thor has equal feats,durability, strength, speed.Even Stan lee said that he created thor as rival to superman and he also said that "someone who is stronger than hulk cant be human,so i created a god "thor" who has is comparable to superman".The thing was u fanbois cant bere the fact that thor has majority of votes.All of them known thor has magical advantage over superman.
Thor Many guys think superman can sundip and defeat thor ..but they dont even know the fact ..that thor has WARRIOR MADNESS,belt of strength, destroyer armour,iron gaunlets, powers of his mother gaea(gaea is a multiversal god who easily overpowered classicdr strange, silversurfer along with few sidekicks,and thor stated he had accessto gaeas powers and he never used it, cause he rarely invokes this power),antiforce, and Odinforce and many magical abilities .It was stated that,Warrior madness thor is atleast 10x powerful and ,stronger than normal thor,and also superman (even after sundip) cause wm thor dont feel pain,his speed and reflexes increases drastically!!And strength increases by 10x..superman needed several months or may even years of sundipp or may not enough to fight WM Thor.Thor knocked betaraybill single handedly in wm!That is without any weopon(mjolnir) .Not enough?he alone stomped silver surfer,adam warlock,power gem amplified drax(classic drax) and ,gaurdians of galaxy, together!.so i think,superman even after sundipping dont stand a chance against WM.Thor most likely uses godblast in wm so superman has no counter for that.Normal thor when bloodbusted even matched thanos who one shotted many strongest heros of marvel before,this is thor with 10x strength amp.Nobody ever overpowered wm thor in comics,base thor moved world engine along with ygdrassil (which cantains a metaverse),resisted gravity of neutronstar,lifted weight of 20planets with single hand when fighting enchantress,.Even if superman tries to hurt thor,he fails eventually ,because thor in wm never feals pain and superman drains out of his stored energy after some particular time,then thor slaps superman to ground...(same thing happens everytime he fights doomsday )..
Thor I know superman is resistant to Lightning but Thor’s lightning is mythical, magical and godly so superman is definitely not immune to godly and magical attacks.
Thor Only only way Superman can win if he puts Thor in space for ages (because Thor can survive in space without breathing for a very long time) but Superman can’t restrain in space Thor because Thor is a lot stronger and more powerful. Also Thor has way better combat and fighting skills. Finally if you say superman is faster. Do you know how fast Thor is when he takes off with Mjolnir so speed is about equal.
Thor no bro..mjonir speed can reache to infinte speed ...mjolnir can travel whole f**g unuverse in just in 1min...superman fastest feat also dont reach that!mjolnir is10billion times faster than superman..but these fanbois dont agree😅
Thor Chijb . Bro Superman highest speed feat is traveleing through whole dc universe in 60days!!! Recently in thor 2020 issue mjolnir travelled 10 unvierses!!!and returend to king thor in 1min!!! This is possible cause mjolnir is a magically enchanted “thing” and magic has no speed limit.But supermans speed depends on himself and he have to keep effort on it and it is impossible of flying into infinite speed on his own speed.By the way i am not fanboy iam just sharing my opinion.Mjolnir transcends 3d time.First enquire on it and then u reply simply dont push me into uselss “fanboii”category
Thor ArdaX000991 is a lier!Go nd check official marvel website, there it is mentioned as"Ulik was defeated by Thor in what would be the first of countless defeats at the hands of the Odinson."!lol fanboys these days are horrible!
Thor Ulik has defeated Thor many times before (I noticed when I started reading the Thor comic book series again) and Superman>>Kalibak>>>Ulik. What do you say to that? @Tyrannus@Savage or anyone else who voted for Thor. (I'm not insulting, I'm just curious about your opinion)
Thor and also silver surfer can drain supermans energy and defeats him.But ss cannot do this with thor because mjolnir itself can drain cosmic power from silver surfer and thor defeated ss 3 times in comics.So technically thor slaps superman…sorry to say
Thor And the reason the SS defeated Superman is because he was able to steal Superman's energy. He can't do the same to Thor because Thor can survive without energy. What you're saying Looks like this: with Kryptonite, Batman defeats Superman, then he can also defeat GL or Wonder Woman or The Flash.It's Superman's weakness that he's tied to the sun. And Unlike SS, Thor it is not capable of stealing energy.
Thor Bro mjolnir can absorb energy fields,force fields, and any type of enregy and mjolnir also have transmutation ability.Yes he is capable of stealing enrgy
Thor Because mjolnir can steal opponents energy and can anle project back to them with 5 times amplified.Thor defeated glory 10000 gods by pulling or stealing or absorbing his energy with mjolnir and he projected that huge beam enrgy towards glory...Mjolnir increased the power of 10000 gods by 5times and projected it back.Hence glory defeated.Thor couldn't have won that intence battle without this ability. Can ur sup have any chance against glory who have equal strength and power of thor.But superman lacks versatility in powers and vast range of powers thor own.Supeman stuff like speed blitzing or even solar flare wouldnt have work out there.
Thor And supermans speed factor is also useless infront thor.Because thor himself speed blitzed and defeated silver surfer who couldn't even catch thor.and ss can even move in 0.1nano seconds.And hyperion also couldn't even beat thor with his speed blitz .Thor also won against glasiator who is another speedstar of marvel.So thor wins
Thor Also, the speed factor definitely works. The SS can only move at the speed of light. Thor is 2 times faster than light. But Superman is 50000000 times faster. There's a 25000000-fold difference between them. Also, their speed in the atmosphere is different. Thor is slower in the atmosphere.
Thor both silver surfer and thor are far times faster than light go nd enquire there feats u know supermans feats so u simply mentions 500000...(as of ur wish).How can u simply decide thor is only 2times faster than light???Thor can react in more than1000mach in comics.But often he dont show up his speed when fighting with mortals (like spiderman,wolverine,captain america.etc).But when comes to beings of his level like Hyperion, gladiator, sentey,silver surfer..etc,they cant even blitz and reach thor ,thors reaction speed is that fast.Thor can react to speed of thought which accoring to marvel comics is 100trillion times speeder than light.Thor is not slower in earths atmosphere he faster everywhere.Gods dont have speed limits.And thor is able to react and defeat and aslo proven to be faster than quicksikver, makkari(fastest eternal).
Thor yeah i agree superman is faster than thor.And his speed in his full potential is fartimes faster than thors combat speed.But i am sure he dont use his speed in full potential only at the beginning of battle.The thing is superman has more speed feats and proven to be a speedstar superhero.But few writers of thor forgot about thors speed and not utilized his ability well.We cant decide who is faster cause stan lee himself said he created thor as rival to superman in both strength and speed.Think logically, if superman attacks thor he dont attack in his full speed potential, thor can easily defend himself and quickly attacks superman easily.Superman also may react to thor and counter.Speed is not any advantage to superman in my opinion.Thor has odin force,access to bifrost, can create dimensionalportals, can transmuatate metals(he may create kryptonite),weather manuplation,super hearing,hurrican breathe,and many more these extra versatility in powers gives thor a great edge
Thor batman almost killed superman but he cant touch thor cause thor dont have any weakness😅.What do u say about this.
Shazam also almost killed superman but thor defeated shazam once and Thor defeated doomsaday also,doomsaday wooped superman ass many times
Thor almost killed galactus with godblast but superman cant even bring a scratch to doomsday with his most powerful attack solar flare
And at the end i say ulik>>>superman!Can u say superman can beat ulik???cause u dont have any proof🤣.
Remember one thing thor can teleport superman to a place where yellow sun is not in range...so technically superman dont stand a chance against thor
Thor I'm really on the edge when it comes to this battle. I might just change my vote to neutral because this seems very equal. Only reason why I voted Thor is because he has the magic advantage
Thor Tyrannus, bro go and check about ulik in official marvel website,there it is clearly mentioned that thor defeated ulik manhtimes, what is wrong with you??!!! U seem to an imposter.Superman didnt have single advantage, speed- thor handled speedstrs(i mean superman is still very faster than them if he uses speed in his full potential) , i am sure thor would stomp superman before maxes his speed cause thor very very fast,in comics,his reflexes are 10million times fatser than humans so thor can easily catch him,if goes strength,power thor and superman both have equal feats but mjolnir gives thor an edge,mjolnir has unlimited strength and power,no being cant stop it(even galactus,phoenix,celestials)which are more than cosmic beings!!!So think about it! And odin force is on different level
Superman Superman has insane feats that scale him way higher than thor, he has litteraly broken the source wall, and held up the heavens, strength goes to him. He also speed blitzed the flash, and he goes many, many times faster then light, speed also goes to Superman. I'd say he also wins in Intelligence and Durability
Neutral This battle is very close because the man of steel is amazing but so is the sun of odin. But superman has weaknesses unlike thor and one of supes weaknesses are magic so that gives thor the edge over him.
Superman THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. It happened in a crossover event and Superman beat him with one blast of heat vision. I am also a fan of marvel and even I say Superman takes this.
Thor That croosover is noncanon and the writers are biased towards superman beacuse thor is not much popular at thr time.If are a true thor fan,u should know how strong and powerful thor is.
Evn i can say i am a superman fanboi but i honestly believe thor wins,nobody cares thos type of sh..t..
Thor Thor has more combat experience, doesn’t have a physical weakness like Superman, and doesn’t need the sun to have powers..Thor is Thor everywhere, Superman is only Superman within range of a yellow sun. Superman can also be affected by magic. If you say Superman is way more powerful, you don’t know Thor well enough. He’s basically Marvel’s Superman, yes there are characters that seem more similar like Hyperion and Sentry, but Thor was created to rival the Hulk in strength. Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times and Silver Surfer can beat Superman.
Superman Fight can go either way. Superman is leagues faster than Thor and he's more intelligent. Superman would definitely stomp Thor if he was sun-dipped right away. He can destroy Darkseid when he's sun-dipped. As long as there's a sun, I believe Superman could pull off the victory because it's his most greatest weapon. If Thor destroys the Sun. I believe this would make him unworthy. Why? It's because Thor would be killing quadrillions of Humans and this would make him unworthy to use the Hammer. I believe without the sun he would be at least frozen or numb not being able to move and Superman is as well. Though Thor wouldn't do this. I mean it can go either way just like I said.
Thor Thor is more intelligent as Donald Blake he created an A.I with an i.q. of 300, since Thor is 1000s of years old or even older all if this has added to his experience.
Thor@ArdaX000991 Superman's only real advantage is speed, and Thor is generally more powerful, so why would Clark win? Speed wouldn't make much difference
Thor@Savage Speed makes a big difference. Superman can fly too fast for Thor to not see. And even if thor does hurt him, Superman can go to the sun in 2 seconds and heal his wound.
Superman Thor is extremely powerful and the scary thing is, SUPERMAN is much more powerful than Thor... Superman is way too much durable ,way too much faster and way too much stronger than Thor... THOR is no pushover but DC universe has more insanely more powerful heroes/villians.. different ball game...Thor can only travel faster via using his hammer thru the biofrost,so he can get to another part of the universe faster than Superman otherwise in battle, Superman would hut him like a thousand times before he can react and those hits are extremely powerful...sorry Thor... actually my dog's name isThor lol
Thor@UltraInstinctMarvelMasterX To use Thor Godblast, he has to aim his hammer somewhere and turn it for almost half a minute. By that time, Superman will have already toured the world 5 times.
Superman The godblast is an ability Thor's used like five times in his entire comics history. People act like he'd just use it in any fight. Plus, it tires him out afterwards.
Thor I mean superman could dodge stormbreaker/mjolnir and he can easily pluck Thor’s head off and don’t say Thor wins cuz he is a god cuz that is not true.
Thor Thor wins because he has the god blast which has destroyed the likes of Galactus and let me remind you his herald can move way faster than superman
Thor He may dodge mjolnir a few times but not all the time. Mjolnir's been able to move from Asgard, past several realms, to earth within a few seconds. Even the Silver Surfer struggled to keep up with it
Thor Bro it doesn't matter if superman can throw him into the sun. If you had all the information, you would know that Thor has had an entire conversation in the sun. Thor wins but it isn't an easy battle
Thor I’m joking mate I know Thor can survive greater attacks than the sun like other bigger and hotter stars and attacks from cosmic entities like Galactus and stuff.
Superman Superman how tf is thor winning?
Superman is stronger, smarter, faster, and more powerful than thor
Thor is more durable and better in combat
Before y'all say supes is weak to magic, just remember that he isn't WEAK to it, he just doesn't have a special defense against it, and yes I know about the shazam comic it's just that superman has bested more magical foes in the past so he shouldn't have any problem against thor, and thor's "magic" is lightning, and if you read superman's powers he has "electricity resistance" so thor wouldn't do very much to superman.
Superman Superman has lifted planets, thor has destroyed one. Superman has more than thor in powers, such as heat vision, x-ray vision, faster than him, freeze breath, strong wind breath (I think that's what it's called)
Thor Thor has pushed the world engine, lifted the world serpent, and closed a universal divergence with a punch. Destroying planets is more impressive than simply moving them. He's moved a neutron star, and on another occasion 20 planets. He once molded uru with his finger without even realizing it was uru! He just thought it was stone and didn't even notice! Thor doesn't know his own strength.
Thor You put it in hyphens as if you were being sarcastic. And yes Superman is weak to magic. Just because he's survived weaker magic before doesn't make him immune to all magic.
Superman I was not being sarcastic, why do you think magic is superman's weakness, sure he doesn't have any special defense against it, but isn't any defenseless than other human beings to magic, his weakness is kryptonite
Thor Magic is Superman's weakness because its been stated to be his weakness several times and it bahaves like a weakness would.
Kryptonite can also cause cancer to humans when exposed to humans long term. That's doesn't suddenly stop it from being a weakness to Superman.
Thor I agree on all points, except my conclusion is that Thor would win. Intelligence won't make a huge difference in this fight, and strength is virtually tied. How is speed more important than durability, combat, and power?
Thor@Savage I am not sure. I think it's because Superman won by a wide margin at speed. But if superman hadn't been so fast, thor would have crushed him. A very close battle. I changed my mind 10 times during this war.
Thor Is there really that large a margin is speed? I would say there's more of a difference in general power than in speed. I've also changed my opinion on this multiple times.
Thor Strength: Thor. Thor's pushed the world engine which connects the 9 realms which each contain infinite universes. Yeah no question in the strength department
Thor@NorrinRadd Thor can't have kryptonite because there's no prep time. Also, superman is very fast and can find him, even if the yellow sun is not in the environment where they will fight.
Thor The "Superman is faster" argument is countered by the fact that mjonir trancends time.
Thor's reaction speed isn't that much slower to make a difference
Thor@Tyrannus
Superman's speed in space: 50.000 times the speed of light.
Thor's speed in space: 2 times the speed of light.
Superman's speed in atmosphere: 340km/sec
Thor's speed in atmosphere: 1,5km/sec
as for the speed of the mind. That's a little closer. But still, superman is faster. I'm not say Thor slow, it's just that superman is so fast that he can travel through time like flash and even the prime one million version's speed can bend reality.
Thor Thor very rarely gets speed blitzed. The Silver Surfer is arguably the fastest being in Marvel and Thor's consistently matches his speed.
And even if we go to the extreme and assume Superman's speed dwarf's SS's, time as we know it means little to the god of thunder.
Thor@Chijb the silver surfer is certainly not as fast as superman. Superman has caught up with flash, whose speed in space is 127,000,000 times faster than the speed of light.
Thor@MoNsTeR tell this gig silver surfer is faster than superman. Look at this @ArdaX00099q https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiVgu2ezL3xAhULY8AKHR0oClUQFjABegQICRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysuperheroes.com%2Fcomics%2Fcomic-news%2F5-comic-book-characters-who-are-faster-than-superman%2F&usg=AOvVaw0WNY55gdOPNhAqTQ3DHv14
Superman There are some reasons Superman will win
This normal version of Thor is not a heavy magician
Thor cannot just erase him
Thor can knock him not kill him
Thor That's actually my favorite thing about Thor. he's powerful, but almost all of his enemies are much more powerful than he is (Yimir, Surtur, Mangog, Destroyer, ect.). This is pretty unique to Thor, since usually heroes have rouge galleries that are all weaker than them.
Thor Superman lifted atlantis and the huge Islands. And Thor was crushed under a rock that the Hulk threw at him. (I cant send JPG) Thor is only hurt superman with a Mjonir
Thor@ArdaX000991@Savage Thor broke out of chains that held thousands of gods including a god that wrestled black holes for fun. He broke free of the weight of a neutron star, lifted 20 planets, stalemated both Hulk and Hercules in strength, and Pushed the world engine which is a multiversal strength feat. So no supes ain't stronger.
Thor@ThorMathews I've never seen the original Thor wrestle a black hole. He would only be with Odinforce, or a few cycles before. Can you send JPG. note: Superman can also survive a black hole, Silver Surfer can survive, maybe even Ironman can. That doesn't make Thor particularly strong.
Neutral I don’t know why people keep debating, this fight could go either way since they are from different universes, and both have their strong sides. This is just a question about do you prefer Marvel or DC.
Thor Yeah, I saw you and SirSpidey try to tear each other apart. Your main point seems to be that superman is faster, but
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
Superman Superman just edges him out in most categories besides experience, combat skill, and the fact Mjolnir is enchanted. But besides that, Kal is stronger, faster, more durable, and much smarter. However, the only category with a significant difference is speed and intelligence, both of which Superman is better at.
Thor Thor has strength feats to match clark. Can you prove he's more durable?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
Superman Superman too durable,way way toouch stronger and faster than Thor..Thor is crazy powerful,but no match for the DC hero who is on a whole another level
Thor I really want to vote superman, but this is original superman who hasn't improved so much. So basically, he is still vulnerable to magic. That is a big disadvantage for superman. He might probably lose against thor.
Thor I would defentitly say Superman is the more powerful hero but Thor takes this because of Superman's weakness's to red solar energy and magic both of which Thor can manipulate
Thor I honestly am not sure. Superman could pick up the hammer for sure so if Thor ever threw it he wouldn't get it back. Also, since mjolner is actually able to be destroyed superman might be strong enough to destroy it. If he could neutralize mjolner Superman will definitely win. If he cannot Thor might. As the lightning from mjolner is magical this means that it could hurt Superman on a greater level, kind of like Shazam. Shazam has beaten Superman before. That being said, Thor himself is nowhere near as strong as Superman or Shazam, but with the hammer under his control, I would say he has a fair shot at winning. I am going to assume this for the sake of the fight so that each is at their best and say that Thor sadly wins.
Thor Superman CANNOT pickup Mjölnir, he isn't a warrior and isn't a killer. He picked it up in the crossover because Odin let him. He later couldn't pick it up. Superman could no way break Mjölnir. Thor isn't as strong? Thor has Stalemated, Hulk and Hercules, lifted the Midgard Serpent, broke free from the weight of a neutron star, broke free from chains that held thousands of gods including a god that wrestled black holes for fun. Thor also has pushed the world engine which is a multiversal strength feat. Thor is at least on par with Superman in strength and I'd argue Thor is actually stronger.
Thor I was saying he could pick up Mjolner based on his character alone, not the crossover. If Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, Vision, etc. are "worthy" Superman, the embodiment of virtue, would most definitely be able to as well. Also, if characters like Hela are able to destroy it, so would Superman. And as far as strength. Superman is capable of literally destroying the universe and recreating it. He picked up an infinite mass (black holes aren't even infinite). And Hercules and Hulk are weaker than Superman. Also Superman BLEW a giant star to move it. He also, as a teen, threw a neutron star to anther galaxy. He also survived a black hole. Yeah, so while your arguments are very astounding, they still do not prove otherwise to my points.
Thor Its because of his character that he can't lift the hammer because as @ThorMathews said he isn't a warrior or killer. Also I think your getting the movies confused for the comics because Vision and CA aren't fully worthy either. Being worthy doesn't mean pure of heart otherwise Spider-Man should be able to lift it too.
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
Thor And how does "warrior" make you "worthy"? At that point it sounds more like a plot device to pick and choose who picks it up. And the entire purpose of the hammer was not just war but also creation. Superman can defeat his foes without killing them because he is incredibly strong willed. The fact that someone with such strength is capable of NOT hurting someone is incredible. What struggles has Thor gone through that Superman has not had something equal to prove himself? And I was just mentioning characters who have at one point or another picked up the hammer. You say "dropped" which means he did in fact lift it, even for a split second. And as far as destroying the universe he can as his punches against Superboy prime were ripping holes in reality. And he can reverse time (has before), therefore "recreating" it. No he is not god. But he is undeniably the embodiment of what societies deem a "hero". Just take a look at his name... His costume is the icon for costumes... He is THE hero. He is the only hero that is a household name. An idiom even. I think that to suggest that anyone is greater than Superman is not true. Yes he is not the fastest, yes he is not the strongest, yes, he has even died... but he always wins, he always meets the mark, he even resurrects because society chose him as the symbol of heroism. That is my reasoning. If I am wrong please inform me.
Thor@EmptyHand Never mind buddy but I am disagreeing with you. Saying superman only wins because if his story of superman power is actually wrong. In marvel every gods including thor are living stories and metaphor , even if omniverse destroys but still marvel's stories will not gonna end, and thor is one of the stories those stories. And omniverse is defined as this ,
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god , so thus, thor is a jung carl archetype characters and jung carl archetype characters are universal ,,so thor should win this fight.
Superman Can you all stop taking my words as me saying that superman only wins because of the story? Supermans story is far beyond anything marvel story except the hoi stories, I have actual reasons for why superman wins here, not just because of that
Thor@EmptyHand You are accepting house of ideas is above Story of superman but house of ideas is where stories of marvel are born and house of ideas also contains the story (books) of thor
Superman No offense but your arguments for who wins is going by whos stories have a higher existence, ofc all the stories of the heroes in marvel are contained in the house of ideas, but do you HONESTLY think base thor scales to that? no in fact, he literally is just inside those stories so that argument is completely invalid, and btw, the story of superman would be beyond any story in marvel that is not contained in the HOI because for 1, the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, the overvoid contains beings like the presence & lucifer Morningstar inside of it and they are limited to it, meaning the story of superman has a higher existence than those beings, but then again the only reason i brought up the story of superman is because some people are like "Thor wins becuz god blast gg" and superman having the story back him up is basically the same thing as thors god blast, so i brought it up, but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Well i just did it to give a back up to thor. I never said base thor scales to HOI. You said story of superman is below hoi and that's why I said thor is one of the stories in HOI. By the way I am disagreeing with your some points . "the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, " - I need the scan and name of the issue where it is stated SOS created overvoid and overvoid is defenceless infront of him.
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules and hercules was able to hold the door of house of ideas , and writer already explained why hercules is was able to do that , so story of hercules=Thor
Superman@Tahsin Give me some time to get the one where it basically created the overvoid, but i can give you these scans for now
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
Thor@EmptyHand 1. I almost agree with your all scans except this. , I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu,
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed, if this is not enough then I have another argument. That is in comics at many places thor had used his mjolnir as for teleportation. For example in thor blood oath he used mjolnir for teleportation ,, and I don't think superman can match thor's speed if he teleportes himself to another place.
Superman 1. "Monitor has zero defenses" is in reference to the overvoid if you remember the previous scan
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
Superman "I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu"
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Ok.
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands, and thor already had a great disadvantage on that fight. Thor became injured when he was trying to take the cosmic seed from the Yggdrasil. Also it was not looking like silver surfer was doing hold back. Why would he hold back? He is the herald of galactus and at that time galactus came to earth to consume it. So I don't see any reason for which we can consider silver surfer was doing hold back.
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.,
6. , so at some points flash should be faster than supes
Superman 1. Thor can't kill superman lol, also Zeus vs Superman literally happened in injustice which is completely non canon, the story of superman only works for the main superman that we all know, so bringing that up doesn't mean anything, also you have not given any proof of why thor can "kill superman"
2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power 🗿, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thor has teleportation ability and thor can teleport superman to a place where is no sun. Even batman also told that if he removes the sun then superman will gonna die , and like that way thor can beat superman . Also superman says this , and thor says this ,
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second , also silver surfer can also travel to hyperspace , and I think you didn't get me. I showed that scan just proof thor is not slow. In speed both superman and thor should be equal or atleast thor should be near to superman in speed. But your sentence was indirectly saying "thor's speed is not even close superman ". And thor was also doing hold back in that race. Thor also everytime holds back.
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
Superman 1. If you think superman being in an existence where there is no sun will kill him you're completely forgetting the superman where is thy sting story.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. When world forger trapped superman in a galaxy superman was literally dying., superman only survived because batman literally gave chance to superman and he didn't remove suns so that superman will not die. Otherwise superman would have died. So I don't know which type of hax of superman you were talking about but still I want the name of the comic where superman defeated death. Also thor many times went toe to toe with hela who is the queen of death. Even thor defeated mephisto in his dimension two times ,,, and mephist was stated to be the threat for the balance of the multiverse , Btw that was a small dead moon of saturn , also if you wanna say something then go and say that to the writer of that comic not me. By the way thor exists in asgard and asgard is beyond space and time and exists beyond dimensional seas. So thor is also beyond space and time ,,,,,"superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before,"- Thor itself is multiversal. Thor's divinity transcends dimensions ,
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force , so I will really like to see hear your explanation that why and how will superman deal with mother storm. Also i never said base thor is equal to HOI.
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input, so that means thor even didn't use mjolnir at it's full potential.
Thor@EmptyHand "also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling"- By feats superman is actually universal or multiversal and I accept that. But don't forget it is fiction. Everything can happen in fiction. For example: lord chaos and master order are weaker than living tribunal but in Ultimates 2 they defeated Living tribunal, source wall was capable of locking super celestial like perpetua but still justice league broke source wall. While in power level justice league are not even close to perpetua. Also don't take that seriously.
Superman 1. @Tahsin world forger trapped superman in the 6th dimension, which is a different story, plus that's not to say that superman can't just come back himself going by the scans I've sent earlier, also I already said the name of the superman story, it's "superman where is thy sting", also the stakes were higher In the story I showed so it makes sense that superman would do such a thing as just hax his way back. Also he was able to clash with mephisto because of strength but in raw power we see in the first scan mephisto admits that he was stronger than him already, plus that's not to say superman couldn't do the same to mephisto since he's done the same with other powerful threats.
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thanks for tellling the name.By the way every villains tells that they are stronger than the opponents which is false. Here thor defeats mephisto again,,, also I know that the thor that exists in asgard is true form thor. But even his avatars can also circumvent time ,
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him., , , and if still this is not enough then problem. I have another point. Jane foster needed mother storm to violate phoenix while thor even without god blast or mother storm violated phoenix , ,,, , ^^ In the first fight thor violated badly. And in the second one I know phoenix defeated thor after that but if you look properly than you will find one point that thor actually defeated phoenix. Phoenix became so much helpless that she needed to absorb a planet's energy to restore his power while thor was already used much of his stremgth fight phoenix. So honestly, if phoenix didn't absorb the planet then she would have lost to thor.
3. This is thor's speed combat , so how will superman blitz thor?
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost , even if thor holds back he can go toe to toe with sentry ,
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden , o living tribunal indirectly told that no one has ever seen his true form. So that was just a aspect of living tribunal. Btw superflow is where the most powerful aspect of Lt and true form of lord chaos and master order exists. By the way while fighting with the dark multiverse justice league broke source wall
Thor Yes, I just love Superman and all of his basic level powers. He is the most powerful superhero in existence. He beats Thor because he is Superman.
Superman “Basic level powers” lmao. Nobody would actually use that as an argument. By the way, those “cute little laser beams” can vaporize entire planets and ships that destroy universes. Oh, and melt your brain.
Thor I mean, they ARE basic. They are child's play compared to what Thor can do. Lmao, so Superman's laser vision is Planetary in power, can burn through some metal (I'm assuming), and melt fodder beings brains. That's cute.
Superman “Child’s play” lmao. Nah, Superman disintegrated Doomsday’s brain, and if he can do it to a monster who adapts to any threat, he can do it to Thor. He has hundreds of other abilities Thor would have no chance against.
Superman Superhuman 5 senses, microscopic vision, telescopic vision, vibration cancellation, vibrational song, x ray vision, phasing, infinite mass punch, resistance to mind control and reality warping, invulnerability, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, can manipulate electricity, regeneration, astral projection, pressure points, air manipulation, can thunderclap, can manipulate radiation and energy, can see someone’s soul and interact with it, genius level intellect with photographic memory, space-time manipulation, after images, illusions, and the super flare. Many more to lose but this was getting long.
Superman I beg to differ. Imp certainly would. The super flare destroyed an entire pocket universe. It KO’d a being who absorbs energy. It would be an instant winner. His phasing would let him walk through all of Thor’s attacks and phase through him to pull out organs. On top of that he could lobotomize Thor just like he did to Doomsday and erase his brain. Also, he could simply cancel out his vibrations to remove him from existence.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: In which comic did Superman disintegrate Doomsday's brain with his laser vision? Regardless, Thor is much more resistant to injury than Doomsday. He has resisted back to back to back blasts from beings as powerful as Celestials. So, if Superman isn't as powerful as three Celestials, I find it counter productive to claim Superman can hurt Thor in any shape or form. As for Superman's powers, superhuman senses, microscopic vision, x ray vision, telescopic vision, resistance to mind control and reality warping, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, regeneration, astral projection, seeing and interacting with someone’s soul, genius level intellect with photographic memory, invulnerability, after images, and illusions can't hurt Thor. I have no idea what vibration cancellation and vibrational song are. Thor can hit intangible beings, so phasing is pointless. The Infinite Mass Punch is weak. In which comic does Superman manipulate electricity and to what extent? Pressure points. That's cute. In which comic did Superman manipulate the air and to what extent? Thunderclap. Probably weak considering it is coming from Superman. Radiation and energy manipulate. When and to what extent? In which comic did Superman manipulate space and time? The super flare. Weak. Anymore?
Superman Wow, very poor indeed. The infinite mass punch is apparently weak, yet it hits with the force of a white dwarf star and breaks planets like glass. The super flare is more powerful than anything Thor has. It is the equivalent of every single cell in Superman’s body going supernova. The body contains 37.2 trillion cells, and the average supernova hits with 10 octillion megatons of force. That means the super flare would deliver 3.72 duodecillion megatons of force, or 37.2 trillion supernovas to Thor. That’s not weak. That would kill Thor instantly. That is 3720000000000000000000000000000000000000000 megatons of force. There are 125 billion galaxies in the universe, meaning that the super flare has the energy equivalent to destroy 298 universes. It’s a multiversal busting move. So yeah, not weak. Stuff like “that’s cute” and “probably weak coming from Superman” honestly just work against you, because you just look petty and immature. On the celestial page, Superman has taken attacks that even Mr. Mxy couldn’t handle and beaten the crap out of imperiex, who eats galaxies and is powered by the Big Bang. So unless Thor is as powerful as a 5th dimensional imp, he could not hurt Superman.
Superman It’s more than that, I was pointing out how easily it can do that. And for the super flare you’re wrong.
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars. So yeah, it would destroy Thor instantly.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxy’s powers.
Thor Okay? Still doesn't change the fact that you only proved the Infinite Mass Punch is Planetary in power. Lmao, you are STILL being dishonest. Not only does that scan say "miniature supernovas", but also, the Earth obviously still exists, so the Super Flare is not even Planetary in power. Lol. I'm telling you, Superman is one of the weakest, most basic characters ever. Find someone better. And you act as though Thor can't survive Universal level attacks. Thor can survive Universal level attacks threefold and act like nothing happened. So once Superman exerts his most powerful attack on Thor, and turns into a human essentially, Thor would just smack him to death. Too easy. As for Superman getting flicked by Emperor Joker, Emperor Joker was obviously just toying with Superman. He wasn't trying to kill him, so it is safe to conclude that using Emperor Joker flicking Superman as a means to prove Superman can survive attacks from Mr. Mxy is not valid, nor logical in any way. Plus, it is debatable weather Emperor Joker is even canon or not.
Superman He wasn’t on earth in that scan. And yes, miniature referencing cells. My point still stands. Considering Superman destroyed an entire multiverse with a single punch, he isn’t very weak. “Act like nothing happened” lol. When he took those celestial blasts his clothes were torn and he was exhausted. Emperor joker literally clocked him across the solar system and he was just fine. Plus Mxy himself tried to erase Superman and was unable to.
Thor Regardless, Earth still exists, so your claim that the Super Flare is a Multiversal level attack makes absolutely no sense and is invalid. Just admit it, the Super Flare won't do anything to Thor. Lol, in which comic did Superman destroy a Multiverse with a punch? Your clothes being torn doesn't determine if you are tired or not. That makes no sense. And Thor was, literally, immediately ready to fight again. He literally acted like nothing happened. And just quit using the Emperor Joker stuff. It is obvious Emperor Joker wasn't trying. It is absurd to use that as evidence for Superman's durability. Now, are there any other abilities that Superman has that you think Superman can use to defeat Thor with? If not, just admit it, Superman cannot harm Thor in any way, shape, or form. It's too easy.
Neutral I think if screw attack made Supes fight Thor I am afraid that their bias research made Thor lose to Supes like Thor lost to Wonder Woman in death battle and Thor should have won against Wonder Woman in that fight.Thor,Goku,Ben 10,Hulk,Thanos is underrated,overrated,underestimated and nerf in screw attack death battle
Neutral Actually Thor is very powerful in his own right and Thor don’t have actual physical weakness,Thor is god of thunder and mighty prince of the asgardian race also Thor can trade blows with Frost Giants(Jotunheim) for months,fight and stalemate the Hulk in hour,push the world engines,held 20 planets in one arm,lift the Midgard serpants,beat Silver Surfer and Knocked out the Phoenix force for a short amount of time with 1 hammer throw.Tank a celestial blast and crack a celestial skull, Knocked out The Sentry with a single strike after being bull-rushed by him, Caved in Death-Seed Sentry’s head with a single blow, Thor arm-wrestles Hercules to a draw, causing the area to collapse and shifting the planet out of orbit. Thor lightning hurt and stunned Amatsu-Mikaboshi which is an evil entity who had just wiped out 98.76% of the marvel multiverses. Knocked over Galactus with a physical strike after and while fighting Silver Surfer. Fights with Zeus for months without stopping
Neutral I think Asgardians is the most powerful race in the entire universes,Asgardian have more advanced technology and high equipment armory and combine with magic plus highly train and excellent combat strategy and techniques and fight and combat for peace thought millenias,Kryptonians also have advance technology as well and well trains soldiers while Kryptons is alien scientific planet they depend on the yellow suns way too much and Kryptons people pray to Rao which is Sun God of Kryptons mythology and Kryptonians also vulnerable to red suns,magics.Saiyans is a warrior barbaric race like to conquer planets but most them don’t have enough s cells to transform into super saiyan and don’t have enough pure hears to do the rituals of super saiyan gods,Amazon is basically female warrior race live in themyscira which is the home of the Amazons a land of female warrior that are hidden from the outside world. Nemekians(Piccolo),Martians(Martians Manhunters),Tamaran(DC Star Fire),...
Superman Will do. Busiek was the one who wrote the crossover and he is confirming its canon. https://mobile.twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/1202334028965150720
He says it’s not complicated and that it’s acknowledged by both companies as normal canon. Can’t get much clearer than the writer himself confirming it.
Thor Interesting. Now that it appears that comic is canon, I'll need to read it for myself to get a better understanding.
Upon further analysis of 'JLA/Avengers Volume 1 #2' on Page #36, Superman supposedly bests Thor. But what is odd, on the very same page, Iron Man blasts Superman and Wonder Man follows up with a slug to the face, which knocks Superman out. That would mean, according to Kurt Busiek, Wonder Man/Iron Man > Superman > Thor. I don't know about you, but I don't agree with this at all, given that the comics paint a completely different picture, such as in 'The Avengers Volume 1 #9, Page #16' when Thor gets surprise sucker punched by Wonder Man and is completely unharmed. Also, when Thor literally godhandled Iron Man in I forget which comic. But you get the point. Unless you think Wonder Man and Iron Man are more powerful than Superman and Thor, which is an entirely different argument. So yeah, if anything, this was a poorly written comic that has illogical portrayals within the very same page of itself. The only reason Superman beat Thor was because of writer induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity. Not entirely sure which one. I guess you can use this comic as evidence of Superman being able to beat Thor, but I will say it is extremely poor evidence.
Superman Well, considering he just finished fighting Thor and was clearly tired, it makes sense. But you missed something important. Vision, Hercules, and She-Hulk all attacked him right after that too and that's what took him down. So in reality he was put in a 1v5 right after fighting Thor. And again, this was a tired Superman.
Thor Difficult to say, I think it depends on which version of Thor vs which vs of Superman, I mean, Rune King Thor could lol stomp most versions of superman, but not Superman Prime One Million who can also alter reality that would be a difficult fight for both sides mind you and I can't decide who would win, so I'm gonna go... Thor I think, mainly because I think if we put all versions of superman vs all versions of Thor in a hour length round Team fight at the end of the day I think that more Thors would be on their feet then Supermen, lame excuse I know, you will have to forgive me.
Neutral Last time I check Superman have many weakness like red sun,kryptonite,magic and high pitch frequency like Injustice storyline Black Canary scream very loud make Superman ears bleed because Supes also have super hearing ability
Thor Well their both equal in terms of strength and durability, superman main advantage is his speed his heat vision and freeze breath aren't going to do anything to thor. And with supermans speed thor has fought people who are roughly as fast as superman like sentry, hyperion and gladiator and people who are way faster like silver surfer and thor has beaten them on several occasions whilst thors advantage is mjolnir which gives thor a ton of abilities especially the anti force and the god blast. Thor also has more years of experience over superman and he is the better in combat. Plus thors powers are magical based which mean his attacks are going to be very effect since superman is not invulnerable to magic. Overall thor is more powerful, more experience, he is the better fighter and he is more tougher. Also this fight is pretty much like an alien vs a God. So my vote goes for Thor.
Neutral Bruh I just found it there are 3 Golden Superman in DC comics similar to 3 three Joker in Batman:Three jokers comics the first Golden Superman who is skinny Golden Superman in issue #4 Electric Warriors was written by Steve Orlando and
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
Neutral I remembered that’s one time Superman lift Thor hammer and Captain America shield in JLA/Avengers from Marvel/DC comic book crossover was written by Kurt Busiek and the artist George Pérez,wait a minute so JLA/Avengers limited comic book crossover was canon ?
Thor There both fast enough that a little speed difference makes a lot of difference. Plus, superman has much better strength feats. Thor is a wayyyy better character though
Thor Superman has better strength feats? Thor's midgard serpent feat is a 105 sextillion ton feat. He also lifted 20 planets with one arm which if you say that they were earth sized it's a 132 sextillion ton feat. He broke free of the weight of a neutron star which is a feat over 2 octillion tons, he stalemated Hulk for an hour who I'd say is stronger than Superman. He's stalemated Hercules who's lifted the heavens which is said to be infinite. Thor has also moved the world engine which is a universal level strength feat.
Thor@ThorMathews In fact, moving the world engine is a Multiversal feat, because that implied also moving the Yggdrasil itself (it's much more than only 10 universes/realms) plus Thor was weakened there and that makes this feat even more impressive.
Thor Thor keeps up with Sentry and Silver Surfer so I think he can keep up with Supes. Speed will help Supes in this fight but I don't think it will be a deciding factor.
Thor The downvotes speak for themselves.
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
Superman I think you underestimate the potential of Superman.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Thor Thor's feats are still comparable to Superman even when he isn't holding back.
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
Neutral In the CANON crossover Superman was bloodlusted and Thor was pissed but not going for the kill and Superman said he barely won. Also during the crossover in the fight we saw Thor who is mega pissed fighting both Superman and Martian Manhunter off for a
little bit.
Superman I checked some of the blank profiles that voted Thor and they are definitely alts. The NightMonkey account activity is basically only voting for Thor or a variation of Thor.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Bruh, people downvote because they disagree with him, that literally the whole point of the downvote system. Are you fr? No reason? What reason do YOU use for downvoting people, other than because you disagree with them?
Superman Yep, which proves my point about the bias. And I disagree, I think you should downvote someone if they insult or degrade someone else, not just because you disagree. If you disagree, say why. That’s the thing, I only downvote people if they are mean or go against the site rules.
Superman It isn’t a matter of being informed. Being informed on a topic has nothing to do with downvoting someone. You can have greater knowledge of a character than me, but that doesn’t mean you would automatically downvote me.
Thor But superman warthy for mjolnir so superman power+ Thor power vs Thor
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
Thor Superman isn't worthy of Mjolnir. He was given permission to use it but afterwards he couldn't. And TBH the writers only allowed him to use the hammer because they knew it'd be a cool look.
Thor Thor with a hammer would win obviously, but take it away and see what happens. Superman is super fast and strong which could help him win but he isn't a God. I still think Thor wins especially with the hammer and lightning. It's like 50/50 odds for me cause they are kind of the same when you take away the hammer.
Thor GTFO! Thor wins this 4/5 if anyone here is being honest!!! Thor is stronger, no mistake or fake power grabs here. Thor is more powerful: he has more powers and MORE versatility. Thor has access to greater power and strength #PERIOD!! despite superduds "possibly faster speed" which is arguable because Silver Surfer is MUCH faster than superduck and Thor beats him EVERYTIME they tussled! the speed advantage most dctards complain about is null and void since THOR is a better, more experienced fighter #FACT!! and I've yet to bring up the abilities of Mjolnir...#Thafuggouttaheahwiddatshit I just upped my rating to THOR FTW 5/5 since base Thor is already a casual planet buster and high Herald without any power ups or amped. ROFL!!!
Neutral That’s not really related to what me and @Ezio where talking about, I mean it is but this really wasn’t the comments to respond too to say that.
Thor sup gets his power from the sun and he has no defense from magic which Thor can use he can get superman to the dark dimension and boom or he can just use magic Lol.
Superman It would be extremely close, but in the comics, Thor can be beaten in multiple ways, whereas the only thing that can defeat or kill Superman is Kryptonite and if Thor knew about that, then he’d win, but if he didn’t, then Superman is pretty much invincible.
Thor well here is the thing superman gets his power from the sun and Thor knows magic but I thing he could use the bi frost to get him in to the dark dimension.
Neutral Thor takes 6/10 times I think this would be very hard for one to beat the other. I can see Superman beating Thor due to greater speed and strength but Thor has better striking feats(At least I think) and has the magical and tactical advantage
Thor@terminator1898 Hey there's no need for that that kind of language here. And for the record, yes he has gone up against those magical beings before. And he's lost.
Neutral@terminator tf why Jesus Christ do you get that rude because someone else has a different opinion than you, over a freaking debate about Superman vs Thor. Also @Tyrannus thank you very much I appreciate that.
Superman Superman way too much durability and way much stronger and way much faster...it's like a tank vs motorcycle..that's how powerful SUPERMAN is and Thor is super powerful...
Thor@Tyrannus
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
Superman Did you copied this from How cani sound more cringe:101 the book?
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei Yes, the same hammer which was wielded by iron man when the enchantment was not there.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei I wasn't even the one who called it a piece of metal, @Oblivion did. I actually defended mjolnir. You may have pinged the wrong person lol.
Thor That was a funny meme. I'm not defending the original point but mjolnir is more than just a piece of metal. Its one of the most powerful weapons in comics.
Thor And even if feats point slightly towards Superman (do they?) it won't matter because Superman could be more powerful than Thor (I doubt it) and still lose.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Thor is centuries older than Superman. He can never compare to Thor there.
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times. @Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
Superman@Taurus Superman will learn how he fights quickly and will predict his movements. @Tyrannus True, but that’s experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Thor Experience is arguably better and Thor knows more than he lets on.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.
Thor Prove Taskmaster's subconscious isn't fast enough.
Anyhow, my point was that guessing what your opponent will do next is not enough to secure a win.
Superman lol
Superman is not weak to magic, he just has no special defense against it. His invulnerability does not extend to magical attacks, but they don't weaken him like kryptonite does. Thor also isn't a spellcaster or magician. The only magical thing about him is the enchantment on his hammer.
Thor Even so its not really relevant because the movie versions were so different. In the MCU Hulk was laughable and Captain Marvel was stronger than Thanos.
Superman if he always holding back against mortals, he would definitely get used to fighting mortals without getting harmed 😉👎🏻
Even the writer has confirmed it 😝😝😝
Superman superman saves a girl which cannot be saved in a attosecond means that he performed a "zeptosecond" feat the best non infinite speed feat in history of comics, while thor has femtosecond feats at best superman blitzes.(im not even talking about the strength or hax diffrence between them)
Thor your favourite?? so what. I might say captain america is my favourite now if someone pits him against superman and if I write "ahh my favoutire dude in fiction is losing against some fodder(superman) in votes..."
You know how stupid it sounds,right. Your favourite character won't win against everyone. If you think that , you are a biased fanboy.
Thor@Oblivion Majority doesn't think superman stomps, and first of all stomp is not suited in this scenario. Whosoever wins, it will be a bare victory.
Thor Why is it whenever Superman has the lead, the Thor voters and fans say nothing but as soon as Superman loses his lead, his fans make all sorts of excuses.
Superman We superman fans,especially higher level thinkers like me,do excuses bc this is completely wrong,thor fans however sits down like a butthurt bitch bc they have nothing to say,thats the thing don't corrupt it @Tyrannus
Thor@Oblivion Lol wrong . @Tyrannus is right .Superman fans just vote him against everyone. He got 17.5 % votes against beyonder and has got 4% votes against TOAA. People think he would destroy all heroes of earth if he was in marvel, whereas truth is dozens of heroes can beat him. He is always hyped. Though thor is also way too overrated, but he still is powerful enough to beat someone whom superman can't beat.
Superman Do you decide whats wrong or right?
No one votes superman over toaa or beyonder bc they think he beats them but because of how poorly written those charecters are compared to superman,
Who did thor beat superman cannot? Did he beat dudes on par with world forger or dominus or darkseid?No he didn't,and yes superman destroys all solar system-multi solar system heroes of marvel @Dhruv
Superman İts pretty obvious you don't know know shit about him which marvel hero can resist a mindrape from torquams vo or can stand against solar flare's 4d attack potency? Did those heroes ever beat someone on par with guys i mentioned above?
Thor@Oblivion Many heroes can beat superman. Thor, sentry, gladiator, hulk,iceman , starbrand,doctor strange, scarlet witch, phoenix, silver surfer can beat superman easily. Sentry has stalemated galactus and defeated molecule man who can fix the multiverse with his finger and is equal to beyonder.
Thor and hulk both have defeated sentry, and hulk was holding back.
Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods, fought an amped hulk and thing together and managed to bfr hulk , caused galactus to scream from pain, toppled the great arishem who is one of the most powerful celestials, made a crack in exitar's skull and all this was done in base form. With hulk's case, he has defeated onslaught when entire avengers and x-men were not able to put a scratch on him, resisted mind control from most powerful telepath on earth, shook infinite dimensions and beyonder said hulk has infinite strength, broke adamantium on several occasions, regenerated from a skeleton, destroyed US with a single step when going wbh , defeated sentry who has an unfair advantage over hulk as he calms hulk down pretty easily. List goes on and on andon, superman loses against everyone of these.
Superman > Many heroes can beat superman. Thor, sentry, gladiator, hulk,iceman , starbrand,doctor strange, scarlet witch, phoenix, silver surfer
İceman... none of those fodders (except phoenix who probably wins if she fights with her full potential) stands a chance
You are ignorant as hell...that is pre retcon mm the one sentry defeated was cosmic cube mm (which is even lower than post retcon beyonder who is universe+ at best)
>Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods,what is the power level of those gods?
>caused galactus to scream from pain,considering how unimpresive galactus is,that isnt big thing superman stomped world forger,a being who scales to a realm which transcends the entire dc with a finite amp,he was able to beat dominus who created his own phantom zone which is infinite d whith kryptonian martial arts and was completely unaffected by his hax and reality warping,he can go solar flare and absorb them or all simply can beat them to death,he can stop whatever pathetic haxxes they have with beta state and send them more powerfuly with Alpha state,also none of those attacks from those charecters you mentioned can hurt him (godblast etc)
here he tanks a magical blast which can destroy a universe
here he tanks another magical attack from the wizard(multiverse+) while he was terribly weakened
İm not even mentioning the speed diffrence between them at base he also becomes nigh omnipresent with rao state
here he rips evolved doomsday (which is way more powerful than base doomsday)in half
also keep in mind that a huge part of feats i mentioned here is new52 or post crisis and current rebirth superman in unimagenably beyond both of them.
hope never dies
Thor Looks like anyone who can beat superman is a fodder for you. Even superman fans agree scarlet witch and doctor strange mop the floor with him. Their strength is superman's weakness. SS beats superman without much trouble. You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes. Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly. Phoenix bodies him.Sentry defeats him easily. He stalemated galactus, ripped ares in half and starbrand has handled the entire avengers simultaneously while holding back. Dont wanna argue about hulk or gladiator beating superman, otherwise debate might go pretty long.
Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal so superman tanking universe busting attack is not very impressive.
Ripping apart doomsday is not great. Thor also cracked exitar's skull who is one of the most powerful celestials .Thor has no weakness. Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness.
Superman >Even superman fans agree scarlet witch and doctor strange mop the floor with him.
no,no one does actually,he speedblitzes them easily.
>Their strength is superman's weakness
Another big NO,in the comment i posted above he no sells magical attacks from magical beings way above than wanda or stephen. here he no sells another magical attack from enchantress.
>You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes
People are ignorant,im not a huge part of this site is mcu fans who doesn't know shit about dc or marvel fans who never read a dc comic and choose to downplay superman to hell and wank others to heavens, i dont really care what others think,but power scaling and feats clearly show he stomps
>Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly no he cant superman wasn't affected by fucking omega beams,what makes you think iceman can even touch to him,also keep in mind,SPEEDBLİTZ,superman has a zeptosecond feat while those charecters you mentioned have femtosecond,superman has speed advantage between 1m and 1b times,
>Ripping apart doomsday is not great. it is also like i said his world forger and dominus feats>>>beating some fodder celestial
Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness,marvel fan bullshit nothing else please stop using this for fucks sake
>Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal,a mildly fed galactus is barely multi galaxy,while darkseid's omega beams and the universal magical blast he tanked scales way above than galactus's dumb blast.
also i repeat rebirth superman is consistently universal
Give feats rather than saying:PHoenİx bOdiEs hiM.SEnTry deFeaTs hiM eaSily
Also a friendly advice, dont debate about charecters you don't know shit about
Thor Lol galactus bodied darkseid and darkseid omega beams had no effect on galactus when they met and then you say his omega beams are more powerful .
This site has mcu fans. Ironic, ss has never appeared in mcu. People vote to their favourite character and supes way more popular than ss still he is losing. SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.
Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed?Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot and scarlet witch can warp reality and has faced off against thor who is way above ftl. Speed aint helping against these two. Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial. Do you really think supes stands a chance even against the weakest celestial. I mean avengers can barely do anything to them. Thor's god blast, which can kill immortal beings, barely made a crack in his skull. I have already given sentry's feats of defeating molecule man who still in his weak form can erase superman with a wave of his hand and he stalemated galactus who wouldnt even notice superman as he no sells attacks of avengers and has defeated thanos (who solos avengers and would body superman). Phoenix is a galactus level being and if she becomes dark phoenix bye bye superman. Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman.
Superman İGNORANCE ALARM♿♿♿♿♿♿♿♿
Crossovers are non canon and the darkseid was used in the crossover was his solar systemic avatar,Superman was able to resist omega beams from a universal+ avatar and beat him.
Superman >Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed,Yes i do,they aren't worth mentioning compared to superman.
>Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot,and he loses also nothing puts current dormammu above low2c
>scarlet witch can warp reality,Superman negs it with krptonian martial arts
Phoenix is a galactus level being,galactus is less than fodder compared to rebirth superman
>Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial,Yes i did bc he beat beings who would solo entire race of celestials,(dominus,wf)
>Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman. you dont get it with the finite amp he got from 102 suns he oneshotted an being who transcends dc multiverse,he with an finite amp performed a feat infinite infinities greater than marvel heroes ever did
>SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.won't work superman stores light in his cells he can keep up for a long time withou sun and speedblitz him or can crush him with his superior AP
Thor@Oblivion You just proved me right. Like many biased Superman fans most of what you say is you sending insults and getting yourself worked up while the people who voted Thor stay calm. Also like many others the main crux of your argument is that because Superman stands for hope he must win. But in a fair fight he will lose against Thor.
Also some of those feats were misrepresented in a biased manner. Shazam fought Eclipso Superman (who boosts his hosts) while holding back the whole time.
Superman İ never insulted anyone,please mind your own business and try not to annoy me,no one asked for your extremely unneeded opinion that i don't give two fucks about.@Tyrannus
Thor You called Thor voters "butthurt bitch", you kept talking down to @Dhruv like he didn't know (even though it was you who got the feats wrong) and funnily enough you did so again in your very last reply. Stop whining and being so sensitive
Thor Lol @Tyrannus Let him insult others. I agree i am not the thor expert on this site. @Oblivion As i said i can bring out feats to downplay his speed and strength. Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor. At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth.
It doesnt really matter if you are giving feats of sundipped superman. Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor. WWH defeated zom fused dr strange, the same zom who was defeated only by living tribunal and dormammu fears him making him easily multiversal+. Not only did he not resist 8 to 10 attacks, he proceeds to beat him while he was holding back and that was after he already fought black bolt, hulkbuster, the majority of avengers and x men and us military. It doesnt make sense of giving feats of amped versions. As i said he struggled to move planets and thor resisted weight of 20 planets with one hand. If you were not unbiased, you would know galactus and dormammu and dr strange or scarlet witch or phoenix shits on whole jl. Heck, even ss could wipe out most members. SS can also absorb radiation from superman's cells, precisely what he does against hulk to revert him to banner. I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
Superman@Oblivion You’re making us Superman fans look bad. Stop insulting people. @Dhruv WW and Green Lanten being slow compared to Thor? Lol. WW has blocked god shards at quintillions times light speed and fought zoom on her own. Hal has flown across the ENTIRE universe in just an hour, quadrillions of times light speed. He’s also fought and held his own against Superman and Barry possessed by parallax. If anything it’s the other way around.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Good to see you apologise on @Oblivion's part. At least you are not biased like him. But that definitely doesnt really change the fact superman has been tagged by batman whose speed at least i can say is way lower than thor. Maybe you can make that dude understand superman loses against galactus, dormammu ,phoenix or dr strange or scarlet witch, but if you think supes defeats them , then its your choice.
Superman Ok mister i got every scan of mine debunked and started crying
>Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor
First of all they aren't racing there,its impossible a make a speed comparison from that feat,also hal was able travel from universe's one corner from another in 10 ours,making him 87,6 quadrillion times faster than light.
>Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor
Do it if you really want,superman is still superior like i said with a finite amp he beat world forger infinite infinities beyond everyone you mentioned
>At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth. which version of Superman is that? also im pretty sure he was weakened there,also take a look at this
>At least you are not biased like him
İ am an extremely knowledgeable person who is capable of seeing what are charecters and what is their potential excatctly,i dont room around like sUpeRmaN loSeS tO thİs coMpletElY hAxLeSs bAreLy sOlar sYsTeM cHarEcTer bC i dOn'T KnOw anytHiNg aBouT hİm.
>I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
like i said i don't really care about what others think and vote,also yes i do still think that.
Also i kindly ask to 3rd people who has nothing to do with the debate but here to annoy me please don't.
Superman Also where does it states he was there in "seconds" and this is his movement speed his reaction speed is all that matters in a h2h combat and supes can easily kep up with the likes of flash.
Even in movement speed supes is superior
he beat flash in a running race and flaying superman>>>running superman
Superman Superman can travel across imfinite universe means he has infinite speed,and no superman would blitz everyone you mentioned with ease he never fought with them with his full power.him not reacting to them with his best doesn't means he is compareble to them
Thor Superman faster than flash.What?? I think even @Mr_Incognito who likes superman agrees flash is way faster than him.
Superman says he has won previous races against flash and then flash says it was just for charity and then just disappears in front of superman's eyes.
Superman So what? go read the comic (superman up in the sky issue 4) they both raced with all of their potential,and superman won also it was a "running" race and where superman truly shines is flying speed
Thor@Oblivion Eclipso wasn't weakened, that's how he is. His best showings are when he gets boosted. I don't think you read the comics where your scans come from because you've missed the context a few times now.
Thor@Oblivion
Notice superman is actually flying and fails to keep pace with both barry and wally. Flash always destroys superman in terms of speed unless he holds back.And superman up in the sky you can clearly see its just for fun and charity , see the crowd and cameraman just enjoying the race. Superman wins in such fun matches but always loses when flash becomes serious. Supes won because he let him win.I have already given two scans of flash running faster than flash which you can clearly see are not for charity or fun.
Superman I am unbiased fan and just appecriate both universes, Marvel and DC but this one goes to Superman, here is my logic: starter Superman beats starter Thor, I think most people can agree with that. If we count Thor with god blast and his best feats we then compare him to Superman prime: One million, this is a hard battle at first but Superman can use his reality warping at anytime he wants and wipe Thor and/or potentially depower him. people say Thor wins becuase they are comparing Thor best form with god blast agiant starter Superman. If you can counter this arguement please tell me..
Thor Actually god blast is an attack thor uses rarely but even base thor can do god blast at will. Its just the damage it causes to the surroundings that he resists using it.
Thor Why do people think that fan made version of the crossover is the official one? Its like most people here don't even read the comic themselves they just see and copy from other biased fans. Superman actually said Thor was the hardest fight he'd ever had.
Thor sure i agree starter superman beats starter Thor but an correct me if i'm wrong but in the new Thor issue 1 galactus comes to Thor for help to stop a literal universal destroyer with that being said Thor is given power cosmic added on to all father Thor,i mean he literally helped the avengers with fighting a monster using one throw through all 10 realms to earth,an he has a almost impenetrable armor an his left arm do i need to go on because i think Thor now may just be one of the strongest in the marvel universe
Thor Well, anyone could come on top with both equal with strength and durability. But superman is faster than Thor and that's a fact but also Thor is the better and more experienced fighter. Not to mention he has fought people like sentry and silver surfer who could faster or just as fast as superman. But I have to give the slight edge to Thor, Thor could just use mjolnir to absorb all the solar energy from superman and he would be helpless. Plus superman is vulnerable to magic so Thor lighting can definitely do some damage. Also superman's heat would do nothing to Thor and just put him at a disadvantage cause Thor could just absorb it. But superman is quite strong and fast and could dodge most of Thor's attacks and land more of his but Thor could create impenetrable force fields around him. Thor just has more versatilities and superman has never come across something like mjolnir. Thor wins 6/10
Thor Let's just agree that both Thor and superman are in the same league and it should be a very close fight, but I have a feeling that "Is Thor being overrated these day or he just that powerful ?"
Thor Thor is no doubt powerful but some people do overrate him very much. I don't think nowadays anyone overrates thor considering the fact that he is currently very weak in comics but he did got his redemption as cosmic king thor (I actually thought that the run was good but when CKT killed galactus, that too a well fed one, I knew it was somewhat stupid).
Thor Keep in mind that Mjonir is the most powerful weapon that Thor has, and Odin is the only one who remove the enchantment that allow superman to hold the hammer, if not Thor would slap Superman at the moment he try to block the hammer
Thor You've missed the point. Any machine or unliving thing can lift the hammer but to have access to mjolnir's power you need to be worthy. And barely anyone is.
Thor You once told me you shouldn't have to refer to youtube videos to make your case. And I'm still not sure where the link between Thor having god blast (which is apart of his abilities anyway) and this story of Superman.
Superman That video at least isn't a wack video and explains everything i would've explained for story of superman, and the story is one of his abilities now watch the video
Thor@Tyrannus Well you're a lot smarter than me because I went into the video expecting something fruitful. It's just a fanmade theory. While this concept actually exists in comics, Superman being able to tap into it whenever he needs or even that at all is purely nothing more than headcanon and shouldn't even be included if we composite Superman.
Thor Thor can actually use the Godblast when he needs to. Superman can't use this hypothetical theory filled with a bunch of headcanon whenever he wants. The "Story of Superman" (which isn't even the name) is just the concept of Superman across DC as a whole. It's not relevant in fights like these. If it was, there would also be a Story of Thor and a Story of Batman and a Story of Spider-Man.
Thor@ThorMathews Even if they were basing it off movie version, DCEU Superman was shown to be quite OP. I was going to say maybe Thor's more popular but that really not true. @Mr_Incognito So what did you mean then?
Superman It just saddens me to know that so many people just stan marvel. It’s really a shame that there are so many die hard marvel fans on this site and hardly any DC ones besides a few.
Superman The problem is that i can guarantee you 80% of people on this battle just vote for their favorite character, not ever thinking about the fight. Bias plays a big role in the votes, and since Marvel has more fans on this site and is more popular right now thanks to the movies, the votes don’t genuinely reflect who would actually win. Add on top of that the fact that people love to hate Superman and he’s always been the character to beat, and the battle is clearly slanted in Thor’s favor without even considering the fight. That’s my problem, and nobody seems to acknowledge this. Most people on this site just vote for their preferred character.
Thor Yes your right. Bias does play a big part to play here but that benefits Superman better than literally any other hero apart from maybe Batman. Most casual fans will just vote Superman because of who he is. I personally voted Superman when I first joined this site because its easy to think Superman will win. Even now after I've changed my vote to Thor I'm still sure this is a very close fight.
9/10 if someone's unsure, they'll vote Superman because most comic book fans are Superman fans.
When I made the Do You Like or Hate This Hero forum, the top 3 loved were DC and the top 3 hated were Marvel. 8/12 liked heroes were DC and 10/13 hated were Marvel. https://www.superherodb.com/top-10s/100-4000/
Thor I think Thor has the upper hand in this match cuz his mjolnir throw was so painful that even galactus admitted that was his first time his limbs felt pain in a millennium. So imagine what this can do to supes if Thor let's loose n goes psycho.
Superman Only JLA/Avengers is. Not the other one. Proof?
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
Superman Ok, this is the last time i’m going to say this. THE FIRST crossover was fanvoted, “DC vs Marvel.” The SECOND crossover was NOT fanvoted and is canon. So no, the first crossover shouldn’t be used as main points of evidence. The second crossover is fair game.
Superman@ThorMathews superman is one of the most worthy character in DC, saying that lifting Mjolnir was because Odin let him, it’s seems the rules of lifting Mjolnir changed
Thor@DrOccult Superman is not worthy. Being worthy doesn't mean being a great guy otherwise CA would be able to lift it, not Thor. Being worthy is selective but as Odin cast the spell its who's worthy in his eyes which means being a noble warrior as well as being able to rule Asgard. This is why Beta Ray Bill can.
Thor Prove that he can.
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
Superman So what? Before he'd have a chance to use it Superman could attack him or knock him out of the way. Or he could use the super flare as a counter.
Thor@Lapis_Lazuli I've voted Thor and even I'm saying this is going to be a close match. To say someone stomps here is bias because both are titans in their respective comics.
Thor Al principio puede haber una muy interesante intercambio de golpes, dado que tienen una resistencia y fuerza parecidas (pienso que Thor más), empezarían a usar otros ataques como el clima, Thor sus truenos y Superman su visión de calor (el calor no afecta a Thor a ninguna temperatura), y por último podrían empezar con los ataques mas fuertes. No tengo claro si Superman sobreviviría al God Blast con el que Thor logró dañar a Galactus hambriento, pero superman no tiene ninguna habilidad más para dañar a Thor. Y en el caso de que quedaran dudas Thor puede usar magia y acabar con el. En todos los términos físicos son parecidos, pero el uso de la magia unido a que Superman necesita radiación de un sol amarillo constante para tener fuerza creo que decantan la balanza, y esto sin entrar en que Thor, con el Mjolnir, puede hacer cosas como absorber energía cósmica ilimitada, transmutar la materia ...
Superman My bad. I change vote Superman. I know Superman absorb the sun if increase strength and speed. Thor's Mjölnir hitting superman hurt, then Superman try dodge without blocking. This right, Superman wins.
Superman I see Thor vs Phoenix? There Thor carry item absorb fire. Phoenix will drain then she will be egg. ok... I change vote thor wins if I find battle Thor vs Phoenix.
Thor Thor's magic gives him the biggest advantage in this fight. Superman's other weaknesses like kryptonite and red sun can also be used to Thor's advantage.
Superman@windshadow Superman has faster combat speed than zoom which was shown @Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
Thor That was while he was sundipped and you say that as if Thor doesn't have higher-end speed feats either. Superman WAS dying before that and he gained his power back the moment after he sundipped in the first one. The scan literally states he needs more power in order for what would happen next so he flies through a couple of other suns.
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
Superman@Akhil@Tyrannus being sundipped doesn't amp superman his speed it amps his power, and with that speed he would be going through each sun so fast he wouldn't be in there for enough time to truly get all that amped
Thor Most people who've voted for Thor don't claim that Thor's gonna speed blitz Superman, at least I don't anyway. @EmptyHand Its through that increase in power that his speed goes up. And he was still very clearly amped enough from those suns or else he wouldn't have just gone through them for fun. @Mxy You literally do the exact same thing all the time
Thor@EmptyHand Superman's powers come from the sun, including speed. He had some speed left, and with that, he charged himself back up to full power, and eventually, his speed started to increase more and more. Plus all of that took place in the 6th Dimension which means the suns were 6th Dimensional in nature.
Superman Having an increase in power doesn't mean your speed goes up, Superman should be fast enough to do that on his own going by feats so saying he was amped by the sun doesn't mean anything
Thor Actually it does because power by itself isn't helpful its how it boosted your other abilities. You say based on his other feats but the best one you had to show was a several sun dipped version.
Thor I love Superman allot more then Thor but Thor win s cause of his magic and he's a better fighter, and they are approximately on the same level with strength and durablity
Superman It isn't simple because sometimes the comics say it's his weakness, while other times the comics and writers say it's just a vulnerability. It's complicated.
Thor He's vulnerable to it, not weak to it. Like he is invulnerable to bullets, but not invulnerable to magic. Magic doesn't weaken him like kryptonite, it just can harm him like bullets can't
Thor The definition of the word 'weakness' is, "the quality or state of being weak." The definition of the word 'weak' is, "not able to resist external force or withstand attack." The definition of the word 'vulnerability' is, "the quality or state of being exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally." They literally mean the same exact thing. So, @Mr_Incognito, please explain to me how I am assuming the conclusion that fits my narrative better.
Thor Why do Superman defenders always try to downplay the magic weakness as much as possible?
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Superman@SirSpidey A weakness is something that weakens you. Kryptonite is Superman's weakness because it takes away his powers and weakens him. A vulnerability is something you can be harmed by. Batman is vulnerable to being punched, but I think it would be foolish to say that just because his opponent can punch him means they win.
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Not only did @Tyrannus debunk you using the very comics themselves, not some external input that a writer made, but also, Kurt Busiek never said anything about magic not being a weakness to Superman. In fact, he said the exact opposite. He said that Superman is vulnerable to magic, and as I proved above, the word weakness and vulnerability mean the exact same thing. He was just saying that just because Mjolnir has magical enchantments, that does not mean it would go right through Superman. The only reason Mjolnir would go through Superman is due to the force at which Thor threw Mjolnir, not because of its enchantments. But that in of itself is not correct, which is said to say about a writer who has done work on Thor. Mjolnir is literally stated in the comics to be made out of Uru, THE MAGIC MINERAL. So if we go by what Busiek said, Mjolnir realistically should go right through Superman. But those aren't my words, those are the words of Busiek, a writer you seem to have high regards for.
Thor@Mr_Incognito I did say its not like magic's mere presence is enough to kill Superman but Thor is the god of thunder. If anyone's magic is powerful to have an effect it's Thor. Again no one said Thor or mjolnir will just melt through Superman either but it's a major hindrance in the fight. That's probably what those tweets were in reply to. You can still be vulnerable to a weakness.
Superman Most people are just like "He's got a big hammer!" "Magic!" Hammer + Magic = Thor Wins! No. Not only has Superman already beaten Thor canonically, but his speed is too much. Plus he's smarter, stronger, and tougher. Also a lot of people are just voting Thor bc of MCU.
Thor Crossovers generally aren't canon. Even if you assume so, that isn't a direct confirmation that Superman wins. As for strength and durability... they're too close to call so it wouldn't be a definitive advantage for Superman. Thor is also pretty intelligent and would have the experience and hax advantages so again, it's a close fight.
Superman Superman is stronger and tougher. By how much i'm sure we could debate for a week. The main thing that gives Superman the win is his genius level super brain that can react in a femtosecond and his overwhelming speed.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: Lmao. What feats does Superman have that prove he is stronger than Thor? Also explain how being stronger would win Superman a victory over Thor. And give me examples of Superman being tougher than Thor. In which comic did Superman react within a femtosecond? I'm pretty sure that isn't canon anymore. And Thor can fight at picosecond speeds, so I'm pretty sure Thor is much faster than Superman, the canon version that is. Lastly, this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. So just keep that in mind if you decide to continue this debate with me.
Superman Oh great, look who it is. I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor. Are you seriously asking me how superior strength would give Superman the win when you yourself have said that Thor wins because of superior strength?
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Why is it always laughable when the vote isn't your way but when Superman starts taking the lead you don't say anything? This is a very close fight regardless of where you stand. Saying anyone stomps is probably biased.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
Superman It isn't always laughable, don't make sweeping generalizations. It's because in my opinion, Superman would clearly take the majority. I don't think anyone stomps here, but I don't agree with a lot of people's reasoning here. The MCU is way more popular than the DCEU, just saying. No need for an argument, that was simply my opinion.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: I'll change my mind if you have a good enough argument. But usually, I am almost always right, as no one does as much research on a single character as I do. You chose to criticize me and completely disregard my inquiries. So, if you would like to stay on topic, and not veer off into a completely different topic, that would be amazing.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
Superman You deserve the criticism. I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
Thor I mean, if what you provide is not canon, or doesn't prove your claim, or is PIS or WIS, among a lot of other things, yes, I am for sure going to dismiss your claims. But if your claim is argued well, I am more than welcome to change my mind. But it is all the same with you Superman nerds: the character you chose to defend has insufficient feats to prove that they would defeat Thor in a fight to the death, so instead, y'all choose to extrapolate evidence to fit your own twisted narrative, which is dishonest.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Superman They are ridiculous claims. I have no idea how you don't see that it's ridiculous to think that base Thor beats the ENTIRE justice league on his own, many of which are just as powerful as he is. Oh and the anti-monitor, who the spectre (who you've admitted yourself beats Thor) had to have help to take on. This is delusion. Plain and simple. And as a side note, you aren't the one who decides what's canon and what isn't or what supports what position. That is simply your opinion, unless you have actual proof of such claims. You aren't a fact machine.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Thor@Mr_incognito Its just that whenever Superman has the lead no one really complains but when Thor does, his fans start saying its laughable or its bots etc.
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
not voted@SirSpidey You are no OG of this site; you're just a bad influence here. If there's one thing @Incognito was 100% right about, it was you should've been kicked off this site a long time ago, especially after how you act to everyone, including @Galactus.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: The 4 years badge says differently, child. And as I told Incognito, if you can't stand my presence, leave. Don't obsess over me. Geez. It's like tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum out here.
Thor@windshadow: I assume you are speaking to me, but I honestly just gave up because I accidentally erased my entire response and got mad. I was new to ComicVine and didn't know how to do things on it and how it worked. I didn't really like the format.
not voted@SirSpidey I am a 23-year-old, full-time employed, registered-to-vote, licensed-to-drive, 6'3" and 200 lb. grown man, you cretinous, inattentive, vexatious, egocentric, derogatory, prejudiced waste of life, reality, time and space! Stop assuming how old people are and acting like you're the only man here.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Thor Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life.
Superman@SirSpidey Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Superman@SirSpidey
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
Superman Allow me to tell you a little story. Being a superhero fan, I sometimes get curious about two heroes going against each other. I think it's fun. So I decided to look up a battle between Thor and another character and I found the link to this site. One of the first comments I come across has some kid calling his opponents fanboys and insulting them left and right. Whatever, freedom of speech. I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league, and what do I see? The same kid being super toxic and making ridiculous assertions. And a lot of his opponents were just sitting there and taking it. I ended up clicking on his profile and looking through his comments, and there were pages upon pages of these kinds of angry and narcissistic comments. They actually made me frustrated just reading them because of how badly they were written and how annoying the person was. This person was you. After reading so much of this stuff, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, I was fed up and wanted to give my two cents, and thus I made an account. So no, i'm not some dude in his parent's basement scrutinizing every detail about you. I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
Superman Excuse me @HolyJoe but I've told you already I don't go off of spideys dumb logic and reasoning, don't assume I even talk to him I haven't in months, the people who persuaded me on rkt scaling are Lucifer and Hyku, I didn't even remotely say any scaling close to spideys
Thor@_Holy_Joe_: Thanks for admitting to everyone that you have no evidence to suggest that you are a 23 year old, full time employed, registered to vote, licensed to drive, 6'3" and 200 lbs grown man.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
Thor@Mr_Incognito:
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
Thor Sarcasm? You didn't even say anything, imbecile. That is why I said that.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
Thor Well, I don't care what you are trying to say. I care what you actually say. Say what you mean and mean what you say. "What the hell do you mean "safe space?"" A safe place is a place where snowflakes go to escape from reality so that they don't melt under the pressure of the real world. It is a place where snowflakes can go and get some coloring books so that they can cope with their stress. "I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you." Again, that accomplishes nothing. We need to create a dialogue in which both sides have input and both side take that input into account and work out their problems. What you are doing is completely idiotic and close minded. "I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point." And what point is that? "Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty." Good. Know your place, little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Thor Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past? You already admitted that my opponents were the ones who started the insulting first. So if you want me off the site, I guess that means you and everyone else on this website, which is probably half the active community, would have to get kicked as well. Is that really what you want? You are thinking like a child. If you don't like me insulting others, than maybe this website isn't for you, as that is what a lot of people like to do on this website. If it was up to me, no one would be cussing at no one. But everyone just likes to mess with the bull, so they suffer the consequences. "Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space." You see, that is the thing. You could have just ignored what I had to say, but instead, you chose to act out as a child and keep reading my debates to the point that you let them trigger you. That isn't my fault. That is all on you. Personally, I want people to read my debates, so that they can be informed of what the comics have to say and dictate. But if you can't just read the arguments I am making and get over the fact that I insulted my opponents, then just don't read them. Stay ignorant and childish. "No, I'm not gonna step down." Oh, you will. Just wait. "Nobody cares about your opinion either." Is that why I am the subject of so many discussions? Is that why I've had the privilege of getting to edit a work in progress Thor? Don't make claims that you can't back up. "Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims." When did I say that? "Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status." No one just calls out someone for insulting others when they first insulted him. There is an underlying reason you called me out. You want that fame. You want that notoriety. I'm happy to appease. And when that day finally comes, you'll be telling your girl back home that it is red panty night. You'll be saying, "Baby, we done it. We're famous, baby. SirSpidey made us famous. Bring out the red panties. We're famous, baby." "I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you." Says the one who "researches" me and the one whose only reason they made an account was to call me out. "After all, you're the one who responded to me." Yeah, because I was looking for an argument. Not sure how that means I am obsessed with you, but okay.
Thor "I eventually come back to the site to look for another battle, this time involving the justice league...." How would you know of this battle if you are brand new to the website, and I'm assuming haven't even made an account yet? You are sounding like you are an alternate account. Especially when that battle is extremely hard to find. There was only one way in which I could view that battle and it was by editing the preexisting Justice League vs Avengers battle, of which I don't even think I can do anymore. Fishy, to say the least. As for your story, that is just you seeing things out of context and you being childish. "I came across your comments by chance and wanted to give my opinions." Well, running from the argument wasn't going to allow you to voice your opinions.
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
Thor "Dude, why in hell's name do you want proof? What does he have to gain about lying about his age?" So that I can know that he made unsubstantiated claims and in turn, gets exposed for being a lying rat.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
Superman@SirSpidey Your last 5 comments are not about debating. If you keep doing this, I will have to delete them.I warn you in advance because your comments are longer than my university Thesis and I did not want your efforts to be wasted.
not voted@SirSpidey No, none of them are about debating. Thanks for showing us that you lack both the intellect and creativity to use some other insult other than "you little b***h", you boring stale SOB. And I'm actually glad you found my words very kind, because I have plenty more where that came from, so ask and you shall receive, you little desperate b****h.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
Superman He's mainly talking about you dude, hate to tell you. Unconventional is not a synonym for deluded. Prove that you know more than me or @Joe. Don't tell anyone else to chill when you're the one who needs to chill the most. Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's unconventional.
not voted@SirSpidey Good God! You are still replying? Do you have some sort of hateboner or natural obsession with us? Seriously, stffu! You know absolutely zilch about comics, you know that? My ass you "know more than" us. You're just a stupid, dumb, f***ing Thor fanboy who can't even prove how arguably the most powerful version of some character is "omnipotent" and above TOAA. You are literally just as much of a cancerous fanboy as @soratoumiga was with all the Scarlet Witch w*nk, and if anyone "doesn't have a life" here it's you. Stop replying to everything and find something better to do, you goddamn child.
Superman Stop discouraging other people. You guys literally wasted about 3/4 of paragraphs (They are getting deleted potentially. No more discouraging, threats, or socialism bs.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Thor Thor was able to keep up with silver surfer and surfer is equal or faster than superman so there's that also Superman's weakness is magic so Thor takes it
Superman Until surfer can move 1.85 sexdecillion times light speed, he isn't as fast as Superman. The only speed argument Thor fans ever use is silver surfer. It's pretty telling.
Thor That feat might not even be valid due to the time hax that Zillo Valla used along with how questionable the feat is by itself. Also, Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.
Superman Silver Surfer didn't outfly the destruction of multiverse. He tried to travel back in time because there was no future (he can travel time due to speed). And before he even succeeded, another Dawn Greenwood told current Dawn that they should escape to the outside and they did.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
Superman The feat has been calculated numerous times by many different sources and all have come to the same conclusion. In just my opinion, Superman is faster.
Superman I'm not "pulling a number out" Clint. I showed plenty of evidence as to how that conclusion was reached. Superman is shown to be consistently faster.
Thor Not really true. SS is very much known for his speed and it takes a lot to keep up with him. To say Superman's more consistently faster is unfair on SS
Thor@Mr_Incognito Plenty of sources can calculate it. It's not the math they're messing up... it's just that they're really forgetting to look back into what even happened.
Superman@Mr.Incoginto: I am literally not attacking the math or the calc. My point is any measurable speed feat, any feat that's possible to calculate pales in comparison to Thor's speed feats. Thor can travel to higher dimensions, travel through time and travel infinite distance within finite amount of time. @Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
Thor He did outfly the destruction but at that point, he was moving so fast he was starting to travel back in time. As for infinite universes collapsing, infinity minus two would still be infinity.
Superman He outflied it due to time travel.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Superman "A single panel"
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
Superman The realms being infinite in size was mere speculation. Also, Thor has been blitzed by slower opponents, so him scaling to Surfer in speed is questionable.
Superman Dismissing an evidence when there is nothing contradicting they are infinite? Nice one.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.
What's speacial with this??
A similar attack from Hawkman with the "Claw of Horus" laid Superman out.
Thor can draw the solar energy out of Superman like he did the Presence. The Presence was easily Herald level if not close to Skyfather level
Thor can absorb Superman's heat vision in his hammer and fire it back at Superman with 100x or even 1000x times modified magnified.
Thor absorbs and redirects a planet destroying beam of energy from amped Thanos.
Not to talk of it can absorb Loki’s immortality.
Just a small focused blast of heat vision was able to make Superman bleed. Imagine what a full power blast of heat vision made 100x more powerful would do to clark..
I've provided evidences to proove those abilities could work on superman,considering the way hawkman was able to k.o superman and his heat vision pierced his own skin..
There r lot of people here dont even know what are thor's powers and abilities, and they dont even try to know about them.They simply assume themselves as thor is only about a hammer and lightning.That's why i post scans of thor's abilites..I've also provived proofs to show how these powers affect superman.
And yes,iam a thor fanboi.But,i've never argued in the wrong way,i've never been too toxic on anyone like some of the superman fanbois in this site,i always tried my best to provide proofs for my statements.
Ok,i know the reason behing ur reply ..
I am sorry to call Gladiator fanboi..But,answer me honestly, Are'nt u a Hulk fanboy?
Trust me, most people here know what Thor's capable of. He's arguably the most talked about hero here with his feats being shown almost daily.
No because I actually prefer the Red Hulk. What makes you think I prefer the green?
I bet most of the people here dont have any idea about hawkman beating Superman with claw of horus,there are some people here who want to defend superman' vulnerability to magic,so i posted scans about them..I dont know anout this site,but i found people acknowledging about thors power set at many places..
Just because i talk about thor most of the time doesn't mean iam biased towards thor and doesnt proove iam "problematic".
If u really have a serious problem with me,i will never argue u again in my life..
I don't insult people, I was just calling you out on the hypocrisy of calling me a Gladiator fanboy. You've since retracted though so its ok.
You admitted that your a Thor fanboy though.
I'm pretty sure I did ping your name on Hulk vs Gladiator.
Like I've already said, I never called you a fanboy back. Stop lying now.
I voted against Gladiator on Hulk and Sentry so what you said doesn't make sense. And even on Silver Surfer its because Thanos saw him as the bigger threat.
@MaseTheFace Who said its beef? Your acting like you've never seen a debate before.
Thor can just open a portal to a red star
Thor wins due to magic & Mjolnir haxs IMO
#In Action comic #835,Livewire fights superman,though it didnt kill superman,but it hurt him badly,
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightning
#it was summoned with the Trident so yeah it’d still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#And this..
# superman himself once stated ,his powers dont work against magic,including invulnerablility(to Phantom Stranger)
And yes,magic may not kill superman, because he is superman,but it definitely hurts him more badly compared to others!Atleast magical lightning...
Now,take a look at Thor's lightning-
#His lightning made Death Seed Sentry scream in pain,Sentry was actually flying at light speed during that time,so dont expect superman to dodge every lightning attack from thor!(And it was sentry in full potential, sentry is more durable than superman if iam not wrong!)
#And my favourite one is,it even hurt Amatsu Mikaboshi badly and made him scream in pain,a being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!!
#Even knocked Savage hulk temporarily,
#Shattered a dimensional barrier created by Odin!
#Thor's lightning killed Void(though sentry himself wants to die,still it was a good feat for thor,because sentry knows only thor has enough power to do it)
Still there are tons of other lightning feats i can show,and i am not even talking about Godblast,.and thorforce..
And apart from his ligning,thor also have powers of his mother Gaea.He can use it whenever he wants.Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand ,as she is a multiversal god(i dont mean thor is also a multiversal god,but he have access to her power),and thor rarely revokes that power,(which includes Earth manuplation, Elemental control,terrakinesis,etc).Thor also had access to her magic...
"LET THY POWER BE REVOKED"
Its funny to see how majority of the people acknowledge the fact,thors powerset also includes-Magical powers gifted by gaea,learnt some sorcery from loki,can even can cast illusiom and magical spells,and his hammer is pure magical..Imagine superman's condition if thor uses his magical powers,
For me,this is a STOMP..
Superman easily stomps him!
He can simply open portal to redsun by swinging mjolnir in the speed of 3xftl,.
Here,thor opening a portal covering entire town,!!and remember, thor can open portals to whereever he focus and imagins..
"SHOULD THE PORTAL HE IS CREATING OPEN TO A SUN OR STAR"
Here,thor shows how easily he can open portal (within less than a second).
So,Either superman gets weakend by redsun radiations or thor pushes him to portal opening directly to surface of redsun using all of his strength ,superman should run away from battlefield inorder to be alive...
Here,thor teleported a group of villains without even them noticing.Thor can just teleport/banish superman to dark dimension or redsun without even superman noticing..
If you keep scrolling down. There's pictures of Thor with a beaten up Superman. Also there's you. You vote Rune King Thor over the One-Above-All. There's people that overrate Thor on this site a bunch they put him at 465 BILLON which is dumb. Is Superman overrated on this site? Not as much as Thor.
And if thor is overrated,Rkt might have more votes over cas,thor might have more votes over sentry,dr strange,dr fate,and many more...
And never again dare to say u like thor more than superman...U dont deserve to say that!According to u superman is better hero than thor,superman is stronger and durable than thor ,thor is an ant infront of superman,superman stomps thor and u say u like thor bit more than superman. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
I hear you bro..by the way I know people asked you before,how do you post up pix on this website,I'm unable to do it on Samsung..tried everything..?? please let me know.. anyway my point is I know it's the comics,but certain people will still look at the NOW meaning the box office success of MCU and also their favorite character ,yea Superman is recognized as the most popular character ,it all started with him..he's #1 on IGN TOP HEREOS BUT you have a bunch of kids that will vote for Thor not even knowing how powerful Superman is .for instance I like the hulk and Batman top 3 HEREOS but I won't vote Batman or hulk over Superman even though I like them better..other people..as far as the punk ass that is kinda threatening on the post below you,he's probably lives at home with mommy an daddy and thinks he's a tuff guy who has superpowers...maybe he's Thor's father ODIN..at least your mature about your post..that shows your personality traits are better..when you get a chance maybe give me some advice.. regardless Thor is very powerful and I do like him little better than Superman but I still think Superman would kill him...Oh my bad ,that punk is you hahaha...oh well that's funny,I don't know how to take that comment..maybe you should apologize and I'll take what I said back..cool?
(caustion:I was gamaatically bit weak,plz try to understand if u find any grammatical errors in my explanation 😅)Actually even i too dont know how to post pics before. @phamhungbao explaned me everything clearly whem i asked him..Ok,follow these steps:
1)First what u have to do is,copy the link text of image and paste it here.
2)Then keep "img" in [ ]at the starting of link and keep "/img" in [ ]at the ending of link,..then ur imahe will get posted.
3)For example,i will replace 'g' in img with imn and www with yyy and com with zzz.
[imn]yyy . sdd . zzz[/imn]
https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/58d0V2kuasbx
(seems like ur Jason Auron's assistant 😅)
Kids now a days...
Silver surfer a being who can move 5million times faster than light with less than 0.001 nano seconds reaction speed,failed to dodge mjolnir,not once ,many times.There are many more scans to proove this.Thor usually dont throw mjolnir that hard against mortals on earth,that is why some may dodge it,but ss is a cosmic being.Earth has avengers ,avengers has hulk ,so there is no need of thor most of the time because most of earthly villains in marvel are << thor even if u consider their feats in comic.Thor and superman are equally durable according to feats,both tanked universal level attacks,nuclear Explosions and many more.But,thor has advantage over superman, he can create force feilds with the help of mjolnir,can absorb almost everytype of radiation or enrgy or any magical attacks with mjolnir and he is even durable to magic to some extent,even lokis magic has no use on thor,loki needed power from surtur to make his magic effective on thor.But,superman??he is severaly vulnerable to magic ,i am not saying he is weak to magic,but he has no defence against magic and gest hurted by magic just like a normal being hurted.Ther are even some feats to proove superman is weak to magical lightning, but...i dont want to argue on that!
Here,it was mentioned clearly that he was fighting faster than light speed!
Here,Jane foster an inferior version of thor operating multiple people in fraction of secondsJane stated that she moved in speed of lightning.She has to think,percieve things, move hands and operate in lightning speed...
Here,thor blitzing loki literally faster than thought speed!!!In marvel universe,speed of thought is far faster than speed of light..
Here,thor moving his hand nd punching in microsecond(0.0000001th second)!!
Thor is fast enough to evade tank shells.
Here,thor blitzing entire army of malekith forces across all the continents on earth in "seconds"!!And he did it without mjolnir!
Thor once again running in lightning speed and punching venom..
Here,in the above feats,thor is moving faster than light or atleast he can move in the speed of lightning he commands,so it may be faster than speed of normal lightning!..
There are even plenty of feats more from classic days ,modern age and current verison to proove Thor is a lot faster.
Technically,he can be "As Fast AS HE NEEDED"!
I have seen many fools in comicvine and other websites trieng to downplay thor and misleading things by showing those "debunked" antifeats again nd again,but they acknowledge tons of other speed feats.
Thor is actually a superspeed guy.Thor is initially lot faster,but he restrains his "superspeed" and can use only when needed just like he uses for wind manup,lightnings,transmutation,energy absorption,etc.He can even move in speed of his own lightning if he stops restrainng it.Hela,adam warlock,stated it,and thor himself stated it twice.This is why Jane a normal human being after weilding mjolnir does some crazy things like performing surgery of multiple people in fraction of seconds with "lightning speed"(same mentioned in that issue),stopped bullet in midair,fighting odin in space when flying in ftl speed,and many more...This is because "any being who weilds mjolnir possess powers of thor"(stated by Odin), those powers also includes "Superspeed".It was even mentioned in offical marvel website that superspeed is an ability granted by weilding mjolnir.So,this abilities can be "restrained" and used when needed.This is what thor does when he faces street level heroes or any mortal being.
He himself mentions it manytimes.I know,even heroes like superman holds back a lot on earth but he cant restrain his speed ability unlike thor, cause it was a godly type ability but not scientifical type ability.
Here captain america states that his clones cant restraint like thor so they are pretty hard to dealt with.
Thor once clearly mentions that he holds back his "true might" on earth.
But,still these lowballer goes on pointing his antifeats facing with mortal beings..
sorry @Mr_Incognito,..but,I dont mean to be hurt him,but i found many guys in comment section who are too toxic on that youtuber(Danco).There's nothing wrong in that video,if somebody dont like his videos,no need to watch his videos,why to spread hate on him?
If you want to post YouTube videos put yt in [ ] in the front of the link and put /yt in [ ]at the end of the link.If you do it correctly it will post the YouTube video
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-fight-between-Thor-and-Superman
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comics!
13 DESTROYED A SUN.
14 DRAGGED A GALAXY. ...
15 CREATED A SUN. ...
16 HELD A BLACK HOLE IN HIS HANDS. ...
17 MOVED THE SUN. ...
18 BENCH PRESSING THE EARTH (FOR FIVE DAYS) ...
19 PUNCHING TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. ...
20 200 QUINTILLION TONS... ONE-HANDED. ...
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Thor saved the multiverse with 1/4 of his power
The myth of Superman being faster is getting a bit ridiculous now. I can see others are starting to use my original scans for Thor so I'll provide some new ones.
Thor shifted the World Engine attached to yggdrasil (multiversal feat).
Durability may go to Superman but then again Superman's weak to magic while Thor is magic.
This wanking superman to next level.
Supermans best feat is flying across Dc universe "after sixty days" and ur bringing feats from ur imagination.
Thors best feats is throwing mjolnr to 10 universes in a minute or less and returned back to him.Thor himseld stated that he can travel evenly with speed of mjolnir
She states-"I invented this..hmm..chrono paralizer to freeze time here in universe designate zero"..
Lmao,bro u dont know anything about thor ,this thing was clear🤣😂.
Thor can clearly see Ego the living planet moving in Hyperspace,i.e.5000×light speed and he even outraced it!Not once,3 TIMES!!!
My right brain: Vote for thor
Magic's the only reason why I think Thor can edge the win but when I ask for counter arguments all I hear are "magic's not a weaknesses".
Check these issues:
1.PC Superman Cut By Double Down’s Magic Playing Cards. Superman Secret Files and Origins 2004
2. PC Superman v Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman 219 (2005)
3. PC Superman v Viking. Superman-Batman 21 (2005)
4. PC Superman v Shazam. Superman 216 (2005)
5. PC Superman v Arion. Superman 663 & 664 (2007)
6. PC Superman v Atlas. Superman 678 & 679 (2008)
7. New 52 Superman Cut To Ribbons By Magic Teeth. Justice League Dark 1 (2011)
8. New 52 Superman Wrecked By Magic Lightning. Justice League 16 (2013)
9. Rebirth Superman. Wrecked By Enchantress. Justice League vs Suicide Squad 2 (2017
In an animated show "justice league unlimited" ,shazam mentions "you know you've never been any good against magic and magic what i am all about!"when fightning with superman,same shazam knocked out by batmans missile.All this things are PLOT things!In other fights where superman won against magical enemies due to just plot armour!
I dont know why nobody enquires and cares about all these things,they simply state superman is not weak to magic and they try to defend him!
https://youtu.be/FiSIutHBB-0
Shazam also almost killed superman but thor defeated shazam once and Thor defeated doomsaday also,doomsaday wooped superman ass many times
Thor almost killed galactus with godblast but superman cant even bring a scratch to doomsday with his most powerful attack solar flare
And at the end i say ulik>>>superman!Can u say superman can beat ulik???cause u dont have any proof🤣.
Remember one thing thor can teleport superman to a place where yellow sun is not in range...so technically superman dont stand a chance against thor
So, you can easily get to 1500 votes in 10 years.
Evn i can say i am a superman fanboi but i honestly believe thor wins,nobody cares thos type of sh..t..
Thoughts anyone?
Strength: Superman
Speed: Superman
Power: Superman
Superman has electricity resistance powers which thor always uses, superman stomps
Superman is stronger, smarter, faster, and more powerful than thor
Thor is more durable and better in combat
Before y'all say supes is weak to magic, just remember that he isn't WEAK to it, he just doesn't have a special defense against it, and yes I know about the shazam comic it's just that superman has bested more magical foes in the past so he shouldn't have any problem against thor, and thor's "magic" is lightning, and if you read superman's powers he has "electricity resistance" so thor wouldn't do very much to superman.
So superman stomps
Kryptonite can also cause cancer to humans when exposed to humans long term. That's doesn't suddenly stop it from being a weakness to Superman.
Strength: Superman (with a little difference)
Speed: Superman (with big difference)
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Superman wins. Because Superman is ahead on more important issues. If anyone disagrees, let's discuss it.
Thor - 0
Superman - kryptonite, needs yellow sun
Thor's reaction speed isn't that much slower to make a difference
Superman's speed in space: 50.000 times the speed of light.
Thor's speed in space: 2 times the speed of light.
Superman's speed in atmosphere: 340km/sec
Thor's speed in atmosphere: 1,5km/sec
as for the speed of the mind. That's a little closer. But still, superman is faster. I'm not say Thor slow, it's just that superman is so fast that he can travel through time like flash and even the prime one million version's speed can bend reality.
And even if we go to the extreme and assume Superman's speed dwarf's SS's, time as we know it means little to the god of thunder.
This normal version of Thor is not a heavy magician
Thor cannot just erase him
Thor can knock him not kill him
Ordinary Superman >>> any version of Thor
Superman >> Any Version Of Thor wth is that messed up logic Rune King Thor, Cosmic King Thor and normal Thor win
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
It's gotta be thor
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact
this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.
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2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power 🗿, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him.
3. This is thor's speed combat
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxy’s powers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/1202334028965150720
He says it’s not complicated and that it’s acknowledged by both companies as normal canon. Can’t get much clearer than the writer himself confirming it.
Also heres a site with a lot of scans that mention the crossover in both companies.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jeremiahkleckner.wordpress.com/2019/11/03/jla-avengers-is-canon/amp/
Upon further analysis of 'JLA/Avengers Volume 1 #2' on Page #36, Superman supposedly bests Thor. But what is odd, on the very same page, Iron Man blasts Superman and Wonder Man follows up with a slug to the face, which knocks Superman out. That would mean, according to Kurt Busiek, Wonder Man/Iron Man > Superman > Thor. I don't know about you, but I don't agree with this at all, given that the comics paint a completely different picture, such as in 'The Avengers Volume 1 #9, Page #16' when Thor gets surprise sucker punched by Wonder Man and is completely unharmed. Also, when Thor literally godhandled Iron Man in I forget which comic. But you get the point. Unless you think Wonder Man and Iron Man are more powerful than Superman and Thor, which is an entirely different argument. So yeah, if anything, this was a poorly written comic that has illogical portrayals within the very same page of itself. The only reason Superman beat Thor was because of writer induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity. Not entirely sure which one. I guess you can use this comic as evidence of Superman being able to beat Thor, but I will say it is extremely poor evidence.
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
little bit.
Thor is a noble warrior,I bet Thor won’t use Kryptonite to harm Supes although Thor don’t know what Kryptonite is
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
/s
5 - from superman vote
And besides, this whole business is kinda sketch anyhow, and if you can't undertsand that then I don't know what to tell you.
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
dc fans never know Thor
even mjolnir solo can beat kal el
he is not worthy
first read the damn comic
then vote
Yeh like a piece of metal is capable of fighting,definetly makes sense.
@Incognito What will his supercomputer brain tell him that will win him the fight?
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times.
@Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
@Joe But as Banner he does?
@Tyrannus True, but that’s experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.
Anyhow, my point was that guessing what your opponent will do next is not enough to secure a win.
It certainly helps.
Do you know what doesn't help though? Having magic as a weakness when fighting someone like Thor...
Superman is not weak to magic, he just has no special defense against it. His invulnerability does not extend to magical attacks, but they don't weaken him like kryptonite does. Thor also isn't a spellcaster or magician. The only magical thing about him is the enchantment on his hammer.
Yeah Thor isn't a magician like Dr Strange or Constantine. He's only a GOD OF THUNDER.
Even the writer has confirmed it 😝😝😝
You know how stupid it sounds,right. Your favourite character won't win against everyone. If you think that , you are a biased fanboy.
No one votes superman over toaa or beyonder bc they think he beats them but because of how poorly written those charecters are compared to superman,
Who did thor beat superman cannot? Did he beat dudes on par with world forger or dominus or darkseid?No he didn't,and yes superman destroys all solar system-multi solar system heroes of marvel @Dhruv
Thor and hulk both have defeated sentry, and hulk was holding back.
Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods, fought an amped hulk and thing together and managed to bfr hulk , caused galactus to scream from pain, toppled the great arishem who is one of the most powerful celestials, made a crack in exitar's skull and all this was done in base form. With hulk's case, he has defeated onslaught when entire avengers and x-men were not able to put a scratch on him, resisted mind control from most powerful telepath on earth, shook infinite dimensions and beyonder said hulk has infinite strength, broke adamantium on several occasions, regenerated from a skeleton, destroyed US with a single step when going wbh , defeated sentry who has an unfair advantage over hulk as he calms hulk down pretty easily. List goes on and on andon, superman loses against everyone of these.
İceman... none of those fodders (except phoenix who probably wins if she fights with her full potential) stands a chance
You are ignorant as hell...that is pre retcon mm the one sentry defeated was cosmic cube mm (which is even lower than post retcon beyonder who is universe+ at best)
>Thor defeated glory who had power of 1000 gods,what is the power level of those gods?
>caused galactus to scream from pain,considering how unimpresive galactus is,that isnt big thing superman stomped world forger,a being who scales to a realm which transcends the entire dc with a finite amp,he was able to beat dominus who created his own phantom zone which is infinite d whith kryptonian martial arts and was completely unaffected by his hax and reality warping,he can go solar flare and absorb them or all simply can beat them to death,he can stop whatever pathetic haxxes they have with beta state and send them more powerfuly with Alpha state,also none of those attacks from those charecters you mentioned can hurt him (godblast etc)
here he tanks a magical blast which can destroy a universe
here he tanks another magical attack from the wizard(multiverse+) while he was terribly weakened
İm not even mentioning the speed diffrence between them at base he also becomes nigh omnipresent with rao state
here he rips evolved doomsday (which is way more powerful than base doomsday)in half
also keep in mind that a huge part of feats i mentioned here is new52 or post crisis and current rebirth superman in unimagenably beyond both of them.
hope never dies
Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal so superman tanking universe busting attack is not very impressive.
Ripping apart doomsday is not great. Thor also cracked exitar's skull who is one of the most powerful celestials .Thor has no weakness. Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness.
no,no one does actually,he speedblitzes them easily.
>Their strength is superman's weakness
Another big NO,in the comment i posted above he no sells magical attacks from magical beings way above than wanda or stephen.
>You can see the battle between ss and superman supes only has around 20% votes
People are ignorant,im not a huge part of this site is mcu fans who doesn't know shit about dc or marvel fans who never read a dc comic and choose to downplay superman to hell and wank others to heavens, i dont really care what others think,but power scaling and feats clearly show he stomps
>Iceman can freeze supes blood to ko him instantly no he cant superman wasn't affected by fucking omega beams,what makes you think iceman can even touch to him,also keep in mind,SPEEDBLİTZ,superman has a zeptosecond feat while those charecters you mentioned have femtosecond,superman has speed advantage between 1m and 1b times,
>Ripping apart doomsday is not great. it is also like i said his world forger and dominus feats>>>beating some fodder celestial
Tho uses magic based attacks which is superman's weakness,marvel fan bullshit nothing else please stop using this for fucks sake
>Thor has tanked blasts from galactus who is way above universal,a mildly fed galactus is barely multi galaxy,while darkseid's omega beams and the universal magical blast he tanked scales way above than galactus's dumb blast.
also i repeat rebirth superman is consistently universal
Give feats rather than saying:PHoenİx bOdiEs hiM.SEnTry deFeaTs hiM eaSily
Also a friendly advice, dont debate about charecters you don't know shit about
This site has mcu fans. Ironic, ss has never appeared in mcu. People vote to their favourite character and supes way more popular than ss still he is losing. SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.
Doctor Strange and scarlet witch- Do you even know their speed?Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot and scarlet witch can warp reality and has faced off against thor who is way above ftl. Speed aint helping against these two. Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial. Do you really think supes stands a chance even against the weakest celestial. I mean avengers can barely do anything to them. Thor's god blast, which can kill immortal beings, barely made a crack in his skull. I have already given sentry's feats of defeating molecule man who still in his weak form can erase superman with a wave of his hand and he stalemated galactus who wouldnt even notice superman as he no sells attacks of avengers and has defeated thanos (who solos avengers and would body superman). Phoenix is a galactus level being and if she becomes dark phoenix bye bye superman. Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman.
Crossovers are non canon and the darkseid was used in the crossover was his solar systemic avatar,Superman was able to resist omega beams from a universal+ avatar and beat him.
>Strange fights dormammu who is above galactus and darkseid by a lot,and he loses also nothing puts current dormammu above low2c
>scarlet witch can warp reality,Superman negs it with krptonian martial arts
Phoenix is a galactus level being,galactus is less than fodder compared to rebirth superman
>Again you used 'fodder' word against celestial,Yes i did bc he beat beings who would solo entire race of celestials,(dominus,wf)
>Lol you are just cherrypicking one or two best feats which he would have done after sundipping (doesnt classify as base supes then). Otherwise i can give feats of amped versions of thor but this is just base thor vs base superman. you dont get it with the finite amp he got from 102 suns he oneshotted an being who transcends dc multiverse,he with an finite amp performed a feat infinite infinities greater than marvel heroes ever did
>SS can absorb the sun's radiation and make supes hell weak.won't work superman stores light in his cells he can keep up for a long time withou sun and speedblitz him or can crush him with his superior AP
Also some of those feats were misrepresented in a biased manner. Shazam fought Eclipso Superman (who boosts his hosts) while holding back the whole time.
It doesnt really matter if you are giving feats of sundipped superman. Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor. WWH defeated zom fused dr strange, the same zom who was defeated only by living tribunal and dormammu fears him making him easily multiversal+. Not only did he not resist 8 to 10 attacks, he proceeds to beat him while he was holding back and that was after he already fought black bolt, hulkbuster, the majority of avengers and x men and us military. It doesnt make sense of giving feats of amped versions. As i said he struggled to move planets and thor resisted weight of 20 planets with one hand. If you were not unbiased, you would know galactus and dormammu and dr strange or scarlet witch or phoenix shits on whole jl. Heck, even ss could wipe out most members. SS can also absorb radiation from superman's cells, precisely what he does against hulk to revert him to banner. I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
@Dhruv WW and Green Lanten being slow compared to Thor? Lol. WW has blocked god shards at quintillions times light speed and fought zoom on her own. Hal has flown across the ENTIRE universe in just an hour, quadrillions of times light speed. He’s also fought and held his own against Superman and Barry possessed by parallax. If anything it’s the other way around.
>Superman regularly gets tagged by batman, wonder woman or green lantern whose speed is FODDER compared to thor
First of all they aren't racing there,its impossible a make a speed comparison from that feat,also hal was able travel from universe's one corner from another in 10 ours,making him 87,6 quadrillion times faster than light.
>Giving feats of him is like giving feats of wwh or old king thor
Do it if you really want,superman is still superior like i said with a finite amp he beat world forger infinite infinities beyond everyone you mentioned
>At the same time superman struggles to move apart planets and moons and requires help of other members to move earth. which version of Superman is that? also im pretty sure he was weakened there,also take a look at this
>At least you are not biased like him
İ am an extremely knowledgeable person who is capable of seeing what are charecters and what is their potential excatctly,i dont room around like sUpeRmaN loSeS tO thİs coMpletElY hAxLeSs bAreLy sOlar sYsTeM cHarEcTer bC i dOn'T KnOw anytHiNg aBouT hİm.
>I also found superman vs abraxas where he got some 12.5% of votes. Now you would say he got votes because he is poorly written. You think that everyone need to be written as good as superman to contend with him lol.
like i said i don't really care about what others think and vote,also yes i do still think that.
Also i kindly ask to 3rd people who has nothing to do with the debate but here to annoy me please don't.
Thor says he heard the prayer from other side of the universe which signifies his superhuman senses
Even in movement speed supes is superior
he beat flash in a running race and flaying superman>>>running superman
Superman says he has won previous races against flash and then flash says it was just for charity and then just disappears in front of superman's eyes.
Notice superman is actually flying and fails to keep pace with both barry and wally. Flash always destroys superman in terms of speed unless he holds back.And superman up in the sky you can clearly see its just for fun and charity , see the crowd and cameraman just enjoying the race. Superman wins in such fun matches but always loses when flash becomes serious. Supes won because he let him win.I have already given two scans of flash running faster than flash which you can clearly see are not for charity or fun.
Exhasted from battle
- Superman
-Thor
Holds together 1/4 of the multiverse
https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-04a4a6bfc91e978247cd84e200adcc3
Nearly kills Majeston Zelia who absorbed the power of odin and dark gods
https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b5ada8de92d7e95071b4490e83eb2442
Thor’s godblast can tear the fabric of universe
https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67bfb89e462526361b890f0bd6133af
I think thor will take this with high difficulty.
@Akhil it's shown in comics he can use it
@Mop legit, people bringing up the god blast for Thor is the same idea, I'm bringing it up because it's like saying HoM counts for base scarlet witch
@Mr_Incognito So what did you mean then?
9/10 if someone's unsure, they'll vote Superman because most comic book fans are Superman fans.
When I made the Do You Like or Hate This Hero forum, the top 3 loved were DC and the top 3 hated were Marvel. 8/12 liked heroes were DC and 10/13 hated were Marvel. https://www.superherodb.com/top-10s/100-4000/
JlA / Avengers is cannon approved by the both companies
Marvel references :
Reference in Marvel Grand master (616) Bio
Another reference in Photon Bio (616)
"replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extradimensional emerald gladiator", that's Green Lantern being referenced right there.
Impossible man bio
DC references :
JL/Avengers crossover referred in JL issue 107
the Cosmic Egg that Krona became at the end of the crossover appears in trinity event in DC
And also
Juggernaut has magic resistance granted to him from a being who is light years above Superman. Prove that Juggernaut can consistently do that!
I just used it as an example.
@Tyr legit don't you know if you read the story he was in a dying state prior to it, and then he used the sun's to get his base power back?
@EmptyHand Superman does not have faster combat speed than Zoom so don't take that scan out of context.
@EmptyHand Its through that increase in power that his speed goes up. And he was still very clearly amped enough from those suns or else he wouldn't have just gone through them for fun.
@Mxy You literally do the exact same thing all the time
It's stated too many times that its a weakness to be denied. It's a WEAKNESS.
And it's not like its some weak magician, its from the god of thunder
Kurt Busiek is one of the writers for Superman who's written Superman #650-675, 712, Annual #13 (2006-2011), Superman: Secret Identity #1-4 (2004), and Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #5 (1996). He has also written for Thor: Thor: Godstorm #1-3 (2001-2002). Here is what an actual writer of both characters say about it.
So there is a writer who's written both Superman and Thor, saying that magic is not a weakness.
A picosecond is a trillionth of a second while a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second. There you go.
Yep, that's you in a nutshell. Either your opponent admits they're wrong, or you'll debate them until time ends. That is a sign of someone who's in denial and being petty, not a good debater.
This would also end quickly if you realized that sometimes you aren't correct and you're one of the most deluded people on this site despite thinking you're one of the best debaters.
I'm not going to waste my time debating you. You're a toxic and deluded fanboy who has zero self-awareness. You even put in your bio: "The King of Superhero Database" despite you being one of the most biased and hypocritical debaters on this site. A lot of people on this site put up with your crap, but i'm not taking any of it.
By the way, I know that your response will probably be something like "Oh you're just scared i'd win" or "You're mad I have facts when you don't." Those are child's insults. Grow up kid.
You ridicules it but magic and mjolnir are very good reasons why Thor wins.
You could argue people are only voting Superman becasue of how OP he was in the DCEU.
As for Superman's speed, yeah, you see, that was way before DC's last couple reboots, so that isn't even canon anymore. So, as I said, Thor outmatches canon Superman in speed.
Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me.
I can admit that I am incorrect sometimes, but that is a very rare occurrence. Not sure how this debate would end quickly just by realizing that, but okay. And please, prove how exactly I am "deluded" whenever I only use the comics to prove my claims.
If you are not willing to defend your claims, you should not have claimed anything in the first place. I'm fine with you not wanting to debate me, but you are just going to have to concede that Thor would win and never say otherwise again, or else I'm going to have to say something about your claims. Prove how I am a fanboy when everything I claim are facts. Prove to me how I am biased and hypocritical when everything I claim are facts. And you will take some of my "crap" as long as you keep up this s**t. So please, be my guest and continue.
I mean, all of that is true, but I think you just don't want to be proven wrong so you are going to go into your little safe space where no one can harm you. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Defend yourself, you little b***h. Fight for what you think is right.
"Agreed. If you are tirelessly proven wrong time and time again and you still have the audacity to keep debating, you are not a good debater and you are in complete denial of the truth. Fortunately, that is not the case with me." That is exactly what you do when it comes to Thor.
You want proof you're deluded? Here are some claims you've made.
Base Thor solos the entire Justice League
Base Thor beats the anti-monitor by himself
Base Thor beats Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Silver Surfer at the same time
Mjolnir would kill Superman in a single hit
Thor with Mjolnir is faster than the Flash
RKT is omnipotent and equal to TOAA
Those are ridiculous claims. That's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you.
Lol, you're funny. You aren't going to force to me concede jack. I'll say otherwise as much as I want. If you feel the need to respond to my claims, by all means, go ahead, but if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate. "Everything I claim are facts" yeah, no. That's just a flat out lie. The thing is, i'm not going to keep this up.
Yeah, you admit you use fifth-grade insults. You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try. Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision.
Aww, did me not starting a debate with you make you upset? Literally already just cussing me out for no reason. Unlike many of your past opponents, I don't care. I don't care how many insults or personal attacks you send my way. I don't care how hard you try to discredit me. You aren't gonna faze me. You think you're the best when all you do is ad hominem in all your debates. A good debater doesn't cuss out and insult their opponent.
You should've been kicked off this site a long time ago. You're lucky you're even still around. You aren't gonna scare me into backing down.
When have I ever been proven wrong in regards to Thor?
Why are those such ridiculous claims? Do you not read comic books? Are you thinking for yourself, or are you basing your opinions off of the opinions and claims of others?
You literally already started this with me by responding to me. And wow. You joined this site for the sole purpose of debunking me, but when you are faced with the challenge, you crumble under the pressure. You are a weak minded individual, my son.
Okay, so you admit that you prefer to live in ignorance. The mind of the weak is a beautiful place, isn't it? And yes, consider me a leech that you just seem to not be able to get rid of that eats away at you consciousness until you are driven mad. I'm gonna be on your ass like white on rice. So prepare yourself, little boy. Prove that my arguments are "bulls**t." Prove that everything I say aren't facts, my child.
"You aren't going to prove me wrong...." So you are saying that you will refuse to admit to being wrong right after claiming that I "never change my mind" and that I "disregard all evidence brought forth to me." Intelligence at its finest. A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h. Running away from the argument isn't making you look good. It is only making you look bad. And I love how you are talking about throwing insults at your opponent when you were the first one to do it. You are a hypocrite and you don't even know it. This is just a testament to how much I get into my opponent's minds.
I mean, not really considering you are arguing with me at this very moment. B***h boy, you were the first one to insult anyone, so why the f**k are you talking about me insulting you? You don't like being insulted? Then don't insult people. How do you earn respect? By showing respect. Simple as that. And don't say you don't care. You have literally responded to all of my comments. Obviously, you care. I could have done better in the past, but generally, I try not to insult people until they insult or disrespect me first. And unfortunately (or fortunately in my case, because I kinda like it), a ton of people have insulted me. So that is why a bunch of my debates regress into a lot of ad hominem. Is tat my fault? Debatable. But one fact remains, no ad hominem would have taken place if they didn't insult me. And this could be the case in our debate. I'll give you a pass.
You don't simply "kick" an OG off of this site. I am a part of the glue that holds all of this together. All of the contributions that I have made to this site completely outweigh any mere insults I have made. I am here to stay, and if you don't like it, you can leave yourself, little boy. And imagine, just imagine, wanting someone kicked off of the site because you were insulted by them. That is just the thinking of a weak mind.
Yep, i'm definitely crumbling under the pressure. Says the guy who immediately tries to force me to admit i'm wrong at the start of the debate. If you want facts and debunks, I have plenty. Here I am responding to you! My maturity is just beyond your understanding. Calling me "little boy" when you're younger than me is just hilarious.
Nice job completely taking what I said out of context. To reiterate, I said, "You aren't going to prove me wrong, but you're welcome to try." I'm saying you lack the skill to prove me wrong, not that i'm unable to have my mind changed. "A mature person would stand up for themselves and not cower down to someone and be their b***h." Spoken like a true immature hack. This is what you do. You condescendingly talk down to your opponents and make them feel that they're cowards unless they debate you, when some simply may just not be interested. Like I predicted, you're trying to twist my words into making it sound like i'm running away. Nope. I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you. I just came to point out your character flaws and hypocrisies. Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back. An eye for an eye, if you will.
I'm arguing with you because this has been a long time coming. Eventually, we would cross paths and I would unload all of my frustration onto you. You don't deserve anyone's respect on this site, considering the amount of harassment people on this site have had to put up with because of you. I don't care about your insults, it as simple as that. I'm only giving you the luxury of a response because I feel inclined to do so and since I knew you'd just call me a coward or say i'm too afriad to debate you. The thing is, YOU are the one who starts a lot of the insults and personal attacks, not your opponents. Don't play the victim card every time. I'm sure there are cases where the other person has started it, but from what i've seen that is not normal. And you say you like getting insulted? That explains a lot. Are you admitting you make intentionally outrageous statements and claims in order to get insulted by others so you have a reason to fire back? A bait-and-switch routine?
Really? A lot of people on this site are sick of you, myself included. Considering this site operated just fine for months in your absence, you clearly are not as important as you think you are, and not the glue. Your ego shines through more than any contribution I have seen. I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago. And also, no. Don't try to say that I want you gone because of this debate that started today. I want you gone because of many, many bad arguments, personal attacks, cussing people out for no good reason, calling people fanboys 24/7, and generally being a toxic person. THAT is why I want you gone. I've done my research on you. Not because of some petty argument. It's your history on this site that makes me not like you, not you calling me b*tch one time. That's just stupid.
Now personally, I believe that there is good in every person and I do my best to look past anyone's flaws, even yours. Just do me a favor and for the love of god stop being so toxic. Just chill out. Thank you
Superman was shown to be far stronger than the rest in the DCEU while Thor in the MCU had his ups and downs. This would get fans to vote Superman.
To be fair you were the one who made the debate about @SirSpidey instead of actually debating him when he made a valid response.
All you do is harass the people here into getting whatever you want to do like editing Rune King Thor, and when it comes down to debating you throw out unnecessary insults with swearing.
Several users on this site have debunked your claims and proven you wrong on many occasions, and you haven't even bothered to realize when you're wrong and how flawed your thinking is. Your baseless claim where you said RKT is omnipotent and above TOAA is unequivocally ludicrous and and you don't even have a single shred of evidence to prove otherwise.
Your so-called "unbiased opinion" is absolutely horrendous. The fact that you voted on battles like RKT over TOAA or Thor over Aztar is evident enough that you are clearly a Thor fanboy who knows absolutely zilch about any other character from comics.
I'll take that as you agree with what I said.
I'll take this as you have no evidence that suggests I have been proven wrong in regards to Thor.
What if I told you that none of the Justice League members are as powerful as Thor? What if I told you that the Anti-Monitor is only as powerful as Darkseid, who the Justice League beat? I can tell you a ton of things. Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong. When did I say I am the one who decides what is canon? Something you should realize with me is that everything I claim is based off of the comics. And the comics dictate that DC rebooted completely after the events that happened during your scan. Therefore, it is not canon. Especially when it is in regards to Superman, whose character has been changed probably more times than any other character. So this is not my opinion. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. Ever. If I ain't a fact machine, I am pretty d**n close to being one.
Yes, indeed you are. I mean, if you aren't willing to defend your claim, you basically just conceded. So really, I don't even need you to admit you are wrong. GG. Your "maturity." Quit thinking you are mature, you little b***h. Men don't run from their problems, they face them head on, wait for it... LIKE A MAN. If you run away from a fight, you are considered a coward. Simple as that. So stop with your delusion. Oh, so now you want to claim you are older, as if that changes anything. Okay, dumba*s, prove that you are older than me. Send me a picture of your ogre looking a*s, especially when you think it is so hilarious. I'll bet you my left leg you don't have the balls, nor the nerves to do it.
How exactly does that prove I took what you said out of context? I purposely took out the, "...but you're welcome to try" part, because it has no relevancy. You are literally claiming that it is a fact I can't prove you wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing, you dishonest *****. And how is that immature? That is life, you ogre. Get out of your little safe space and live in reality. I'm not trying to make you think anything. I am just stating facts. And it is a fact that you are a coward if you just run from your problems. And obviously you are interested in having a debate with me, considering I am the sole purpose you joined this site. Plus, you keep responding to me. I'm not twisting anything. You literally are running away. Lol. So if you don't want to be considered a coward, debate me and workout your problems with me. You are wasting your energy on me right now, you imbecile. You are clueless. My character flaws? The very "flaws" that you came at me with first? If anyone is a hypocrite, it is you. And you don't even know it, which is the sad thing. You even admitted it, "Considering the amount of insults and unnecessary comments you've made on this site, you deserve plenty back." My god, you must be a troll, huh? You are going to do the very thing you are accusing me of doing. Intelligence, people. Intelligence.
I'll admit that I started it a few times, but that was very rare. And I only did it to get inside my opponents minds. But, if you can give me evidence of me starting it more times than my opponents have started it, I'm willing to admit that I am in the wrong. But I guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to do that. People just don't like unorthodox (often superior and more sophisticated) thinking whenever it opposes their own views, so their first response is to call it fanboyistic, or delusional, or whatever. Only because it is unconventional. Which is sad and close minded.
Okay. If you are sick of me, just leave. Though, I'm not sure why you are sick of me when I have been gone for months on end, but okay. Children will be children. "I personally don't care if you stay or go, i'm saying if it were up to me you would have been kicked off a while ago." So you do care if I stay or go. Way to directly contradict yourself. Oh d**n, even worse. You want we kicked off of the site because of what I said to other people. Now that is the epitome of a weak mind. Bro, give me a favor and mind your own d**n business. Why do you care so much about my dealings with other people? No one likes nosy people who think they gotta run s**t. Child, know your place and just step the f**k down. No one cares about your opinion. Especially when you haven't even been on this site for at least a year. And why are you picking on me, you clout b***h? Why not call out all of the people who first insulted me? I mean, I know I am the best debater here, but at least be genuine. Don't just do it for the clout. You're making yourself look stupid. And what do you mean by, "I've done my research on you?" What do you do? Just sit in your basement and look up everything I have said and study it and memorize it? I mean, I know I am a great influencer and all, but honestly, that just seems like you are obsessing over me. Especially when you even admitted that the sole purpose you joined the site for was to debunk me. Just get that picture in your head. It is honestly kind of creepy.
I'm only toxic if others are toxic to me. And you are a fine one to talk. Because you are perfectly fine with insulting me first, but when I insult you, you cry like a little b***h. Again, children will be children.
I honestly don't give your lazy, dumb, stupid, fat, dead carcass about how long you've been here. You're not an editor like me and you don't even have the ability to vote for suggestions.
Nobody's leaving this place because they don't like you and you can't make them. You're not the one who made this site and you certainly don't own it!
Yeah, but I am an OG. You are just a wannabe.
Then quit whining, you little b***h.
"Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?
I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault.
It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot.
Nope, definitely don't agree with what you said. Maybe go take some English class and learn what sarcasm is.
What if I told you that there's a invisible purple walrus orbiting Jupiter? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect. Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid? "Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly. Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all? I'll wait.
I am absolutely willing to defend my claim. I have countless times on this thread with other people. With you, it would be a battle that would never end. If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you. Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch." Yeah, you'd know a lot about being a man lol. You're the furthest thing from it at least on this site. I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything. I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron.
I'm trying to say it is HIGHLY unlikely you will prove me wrong based on your past arguments. Oh great, again with the ogre. What the hell do you mean "safe space?" Did I trigger you that much? Like idek some of the stuff your saying. Yes, obviously I keep responding to you. What do you think you would say if I didn't? "I scared him off" or "He's a coward". I'm already working out my problems with you, i'm saying what I don't like about you. I think that's about seven insults so far, good job proving my point. Now I personally am not going to throw many insults or ad hominem your way, but you sure as hell deserve plenty.
So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them. Nice. This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better." You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong.
Oh and you mentioned you're the best debator on this site. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah nice one kid. I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you. Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best. Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king.
I actually was doing quite well until you came back. I had hoped you had disappeared for good, but you decided to return. In my opinion (and others as well) you deserve the boot. However i am powerless to do so, so I accept that you'll continue to wreak havoc on this site. This is a public site. Don't call me nosy or tell me to mind my business when any of your arguments are on the internet for anyone to see. If you don't want anyone to read your arguments, then maybe you're the one who needs the safe space. No, I'm not gonna step down. Nobody cares about your opinion either. Who cares how long i've been on the site? That doesn't determine the validity of my claims. Wow, you really think i'm doing this for clout. Just wow. No, I don't care whether or not you're the most popular or most irrelevant person on the site. I don't like you, i'm going to call you out regardless of status. I'm honestly not the least bit obsessed with you. After all, you're the one who responded to me.
I actually came to like the site otherwise and mainly just ignored and forgot about you. I've interacted with plenty of other people and honestly haven't been very concerned with you at all lately, mainly because of your absence and you not saying anything I felt the need to answer. By the way, i'm not constantly checking your profile and you activity either. I just sometimes look at your comments. So no, not an obsession but a frustration.
I have no desire to continue this argument, so if you'd like to actually debate this subject professionally, let me know. I am perfectly capable of backing my claims and having a formal debate. I had one recently with @_Holy_Joe_ about Ghost Rider vs Alucard. It was a lot of fun and very non toxic with plenty of respect. I am not sure if you are capable of doing the same, but if you think you can, let me know.
How can I be a fanboy if everything I claim comes straight from the comics?
Sure, you little b***h.
Really? I'm glad to know that I have enlightened at least one person. There is hope. I've made plenty of contributions. Way more than you have. Prove that the only contributions I have given the site are nothing but fanboyism, bigotry, and insults.
Prove it.
Very kind words from someone who is completely opposed to insults. Thank you.
If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions.
"Every comment you write just shows how defensive and butthurt you are, it's pretty funny." Defensive? Yeah. You are calling me out. What do you expect me to do? Run away like a b***h? Probably. Butthurt? Mmmmno, not really. Not sure how you came up with that. You have literally done nothing.
""Prove it. And I don't think being 23 and being on a website debating teenagers is something to brag about. If anything, that just proves you have no life." So you're saying he has no life, but here you are responding to him. Huh?" Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things. He claims to be a grown a*s man doing teenager things. He has no life.
"I love how defensive and angry you're getting as usual. Your true colors are shining through. Notice how i've remained pretty calm throughout this discussion, while you're calling me every name in the book and saying i don't have any balls and other crap. You sir, are very immature. To a fault." Yeah, if you mess with the bull, you get the horn. I've told others this and I'll tell you, if you want to insult me, I'm going to come at you a hundred fold since you asked for it. You are experiencing what happens when you **** SirSpidey off. So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
"It's hard to win an argument with a genius, it's even harder to win one with an idiot." Yeah, so stop being an idiot.
That is why I have every claim that I make backed up with evidence. "You could say that none of the JLA are as powerful as Thor, but that would be incorrect." Prove it. "Exactly how is the anti-monitor, a being who the wrath of god needed help to beat, only on par with Darkseid?" Because they essentially fought on par in 'Justice League Volume 2 #44'. ""Doesn't matter though, because you already made up your mind that you can't be wrong." I think you just explained yourself perfectly." I literally said you can change my mind. I was describing you, Captain Clueless, as you literally said I can't change your mind. "Can you show me the comic in which Thor beats the spectre...." No, they are from a completely different fiction, Captain Clueless. "...or where Rune king thor fights evenly with the one above all" No, because they have never fought before. I say that Rune King Thor and The One Above All are even in power because they are both the supreme being in their respective Multiverses. For someone who studies everything I say, you sure don't know my arguments very well.
"With you, it would be a battle that would never end." You see? There you are again with your close minded thinking. I already told you this debate won't go on very long as long as you admit that you are wrong. I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. This has to be a two way street. Not a one way street. "If you would like to debate, I would need your word that you would not in any way be toxic or use ad hominem and keep it professional. If you are capable of doing that, which I doubt, then i'd debate you." Neighbor, what? You were the one who set the tone right out of the gate. Now you don't want to insult anymore? What is this? You can't take being called a b***h? Whatever. And what happened to "I could supply you with plenty of feats, but i've done enough research on you to know that you never change your mind under any circumstance when it comes to Thor", and "I'm not going to waste my time debating you", and "I'm not going to bother answering your questions since all you'll do is disregard any amount of evidence I bring to the table", and "I'm not starting it with you. You are the reason I joined this site. I joined this site in the beginning with the sole purpose of responding to you because of how bad and infuriating your comments are. I'm more than capable of defending my claims, but I'm not doing it with you", and "...if your arguments are BS, which they usually are, I'm not going to give you the privilege of a debate", and "Not starting an argument with someone you know will throw insults your way and act like a five-year-old isn't pathetic, it's a mature decision", and "I'm simply not going to waste my energy on someone like you?" Why the change of heart? Why are you being disingenuous? Oh, I see. It's because I called you out on your bulls**t. That's why. Okay. I'm down. "Love how you're trying to tell me i'm not mature by saying "Little B*tch."" Yeah, that's how men talk to each other. We don't powder coat s**t. We call each other out if someone is being a little b***h. You see, being a man isn't for the faint of heart. So if you can't take being called a b***h, then you might as well be considered a little boy. SirSpidey Manhood Lessons 101. "I have faced my problem head on... YOU. I've said what I don't like about you. You are the problem. I'm not running from anything." Calling me "deluded", and a "fanboy", and a "kid" isn't accomplishing anything. You had a problem with my claims as they relate to Thor, I asked you to debate me, and you said no. That is literally running away from your problems. "I only brought up age since you kept calling me "child" and "boy" and whatnot. This man really just called me an ogre xD like I can't even with you dude. Yeah, i'm totally gonna send a random stranger a picture of myself. That's not a matter of having balls, that's a matter of not being a moron." Okay, then if you don't have the balls to prove your claim, don't get offended when I call you a little boy.
"So basically, your strategy in debating is to **** your opponent off as much as possible so that you can mess with them." Only the people that I don't like. But I admit that it was wrong. So let's move on. "This is rich that you're trying to sell your thinking as superior and sophisticated, when it all basically boils down to: "Keep dreaming fanboy" and "Thor is better."" Prove it. "You're full of crap if you think that your wack opinions are somehow proof you're smart. Just because you're the only one who votes Thor on a battle doesn't mean you're more intelligent than everyone else. Generally speaking, it means you're misinformed or wrong." How can one be misinformed when everything they claim comes straight from the comics? You aren't thinking clearly. If everything I claim is backed up with comics, then everything I say should be correct, right? Considering what I say would be fact, not opinion? The answer is yes. It really isn't my own thinking that is unconventional and sophisticated. It is just that I go by what the comics say and dictate while everyone else goes by what secondary sources of information say and dictate. And I guess you concede that my opponents are the ones who start the insulting first.
"I can name ten people off the top of my head that are much better at it than you." That literally isn't proving anything. That is like if I said, "I can name ten characters off the top of my head that are much better than The One Above All." Like, okay? You want a cookie? "Nobody who's the best actually calls themselves the best." Umm, yeah they do. All the time. Ever heard of bragging? "Nobody who is the king of this site would actually put in their bio that they are the king." Why not?
Seems like an obsession to me...
I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along. You were the one who decided to go off on a tangent and talk about me. So I don't know why you are telling me this. We all know I'm ready for a debate. The question is, are you ready for a debate. Especially since you already said you won't give me the "luxury" of a debate.
"If you always require proof for every assertion someone makes, then you also need to give reasonable proof for your assertions." Not every assertion. Every claim. But regardless, ask and you shall receive.
> So take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences. You keep saying I'm immature, but I fail to understand how you came to this conclusion. It's honestly just strange.
Again, ironic and hypocritical on your part. You just admitted that you're too vapid to realize that all the insults you use in debating makes you immature.
> Yeah. I'm a teenager doing teenager things.
Nice job admitting it, you dumb dips**t. Now everyone knows that you're not an adult here with even half a pair.
> I've been wanting to debate the subject of Thor vs Superman all along.
Pretty evident that you're the only one here with an obsession, stupid-@ass. Way to contradict yourself there.
> Why do you want me kicked off of the site so bad? Literally. What have I done to you in the past?
We already gave you a bit of reasons, but since you asked kindly, we can give you more. For one, the way you talked to the owner of the site, you blind simpleton.
You claiming that we don't have a life when you are literally wasting what little time people have left on this earth with your sad BS quips is just digging you a bigger ditch. Get off your lazy carcass and do something productive other than replying to everything said.
The votes are prob bots I will agree with that. Stop getting upset and just debate and @Sirspidey I would like if you don't go typing negative criticism. Like saying "Your thinking isn't unconventional, it's bad and deluded." Stop with that.
I would like to say that your writing @Sirspidey is better for Comic Vine. There is a low minority people here. You know alot about Thor and your a professional with him, I agree. Though I should tell you to take it to comic vine if you keep with the negative criticism.
Plus the last incursion where 7th cosmos died there were only two universes left.
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@Akhil: Yeah they were traveling to past until they found a tear, that's what I said.
Still doesn't matter since what you said ("Silver Surfer once outflew the destruction of the multiverse (7th Cosmos Multi-Eternity) who contains infinite universes, realities, dimensions, and planes of existence within himself.") is wrong, because even your scan confirms that only two universes were left.
What? Dude only two universes left from infinite, have you read secret wars and time runs out? I assume no. They were the last two universes hence why destruction of them was the end of the multiverse.
Explains how little knowledge about Thor you have.
Thor has shown ability to travel through time due to raw speed, his hammer is implied to be 4 dimensional due to its speed, he has shown ability to throw hammer through realms (which are infinite in size and there is infinite void between realms) and etc. He also scales to Silver Surfer in speed on consistent basis. So no, numbers don't matter.
I also like how you only answered one thing from the list of feats I told.
Everyone has outliers, Thor consistently f*ucks with surfer.