Superman@Tyrannus I think Superman takes it because he’s been shown to be far faster, and while strength is debatable I think Superman has the edge, though slightly. While Thor does have things like magic and Mjolnir, I’m not sure if that would guarantee a win for Thor. Superman has fought beings just as powerful as Thor, like Black Adam and has come out on top. Not all the time of course, but he’s done it more than a few times.
I say mid to high difficulty because, there are instances where I believe Superman speed blitzes Thor, but most cases that won’t happen. I think if the fight drags out for too long, Superman will eventually overpower Thor, but it’s not a stomp by any means.
Thor Mjolnir makes up for the stats he lacks. As you said, their already quite comparable in stats so surely magic would be the breaking point which tips the scales towards Thor.
Also Superman did not come out on top of Black Adam. This is a lie. In fact he's never beaten BA.
In regards to mjolnir and magic, yes I do believe those would give Thor an edge in some aspects, but I still don’t think it would necessarily give him the win. My reasoning is that magic is something that Superman is simply not invulnerable to, but not exactly a weakness as people think.
Obviously, some magic can harm him, but magic can do so to pretty much anyone else to. It’s not a “weakness” per say. Unless it’s properties are, say, damage oriented, I don’t think magic and magic weapons would hurt Superman.
Now, I may be wrong about this so please feel free to correct me, Mjolnir’s enchantment enhances its wielder and grants them the powers of Thor. With that in mind, I don’t think it’s magic properties would come into play against Superman other than enhancing Thor and slightly evening the stats.
Unless of course, I’m forgetting something, again please correct me if I’m wrong.
Thor Very close, both infinite strength and speed. Thor durability, battle iq experience >
And superman agility iq stamina >
Thor abilities power and MAGIC they make Thor win but not easily, superman sometimes even against magic divinity resist and some times won
Superman As much as I like Thor over Superman, I's say Superman has a slight advantage. Firstly, Superman's speed gives him a good chance of overpowering Thor combined with his strength. Yes, Superman is weak to magic, But most of Thor's attacks aren't "Magic" per say, Loki's powers are considered more "Magic." Thor controls lightning which isn't really magic, although Mjolnir is made or Uru in the comics, which is enchanted and absorbs magic itself. It may damage Superman, but after a few hits he should realise it's power and use his speed to stay out of it's way. Superman also bet Thor in a Marvel/DC crossover.
Thor Bro you are kinda right. Superman's speed is great but thor has reacted even to silver surfer so this is no big deal. Thor lightning manipulation and mjolnir are indeed magic. So thor wins mid to high diff
Superman But the comic I'm referring to shows Superman grabbing Thor's hammer and punching him so hard that he sends Thor FLYING, no joke. Also, CBR.com has also stated that Superman would win. Yes, Thor DOES have magic by his side and obviously, it would be difficult for Superman to face Thor cuz of that but that doesn't mean Thor would win. Superman, however, is much QUICKER than Thor which gives him the victory. If you want the words from the website, I'd be happy to copy and paste that too
Thor@CapnLincoln U r ignoring 100s of speed feats that r posted on this site itself,and using uselss crossover and statements from uselss websites to prove ur point.This is so funny
Superman@Siddu in all honesty, I like Thor BETTER but from the way everything was portrayed to me by both characters, Superman has the victory. And where you said that Thor has one-shotted a minotaur, Superman could do THE SAME EXACT THING
Superman To me, it's not about what character I like BETTER than the other, it's really about who's more likely to win. Sure, from your scans, Thor is hella powerful. However, Superman is MUCH FASTER than Thor and would come out on top eventually
Thor@CapnLincoln Literally every Superman fan on internet be like,"I REALLY LiKe Thor more than Superman,but honestly speaking ,Superman stomps Thor.WAKE UP TO REALITY"..I beg u to try something new.Ok?
Ur not the one to decide who is "much faster" than whom,U r acting like Thor is a slow brick and struggles against characters like Superman who r soo fast,but in reality Thor casually blitzes beings who makes Superman look like a snail (Silversurfer).Characters like Captain Marvel,Soloman Grundy,Green Latern,Wonderwoman,damage,etc had already been fought Superman and statlemated him.They r as fast as Thor,some are even slower,so this "Speed" arguement is actually invalid here,unless u bring some random low end speed feats from disrespect threads of Thor. Then, again i came bring some lowend durability feats of Superman,infact there are "many" of those.
Thor can also manuplate winds or can summon a powerful cyclone/storm around him like "wind of 1000 worlds" which cancels Supermans's speed.He can create forcefields to avoid blitzes.
Superman Is Thor slow? I think so, since he couldn't even hit Quicksilver directly. @Siddu Calm down and do not respond badly to others. @CapnLincoln thanks for the scan. What crossover is it?
Thor@Juggenaut "He couldn't even hit quicksilver directly".Again talking about mcu Thor.Looll.
616 Thor har already beat quicksilver and even stated that he has defeated faster enemies than quicksilver.When did i respond badly to others??
Superman@Juggenaut to answer your question, I can't really show you the crossover cuz the computer won't let me but I DID send a link that you could just copy and paste from and take a look over there
Superman@Siddu when did I ever say "I like Superman better than Thor"? It's not about who I like better, it's about who is most likely to win based on how everything has been portrayed. But then again, Superman has beaten people like Darkseid BY HIMSELF before while Thor has beaten by people like Thanos
Superman Question. How does a guy who uses Mjolnir in most fights win against a guy who never has to even use a thing like that when fighting? Superman doesn't need to rely on Mjolnir in order to defeat Doomsday, Brainiac, Darkseid, and so on. Thor has to rely on Mjolnir to assist the Avengers against Loki, Ultron, Thanos, or pretty much any other Marvel villain who faces The Avengers
Superman OK, but Superman doesn’t need to rely on a magical object like Mjolnir. Thor is pretty much powerless without it (let’s ignore the MCU, DCEU, or any other comic versions of either combatant). What if Superman found a way to disarm Thor’s hammer and started beating him down? Thor’s strength is useful but Superman has more feats than Thor does. Superman has the advantage over Thor on this one. Unlike the other battle you and I are discussing (Hulk vs Superman), this one doesn’t go both ways. They have fought before and Superman beat Thor’s ass. Check out the YouTube channel, Batinthesun, episode 7, which is Superman vs Thor
Thor That was the old Thor. He's not as useless as you'd think. He's lifted Asgard on his shoulders (with BRB's help).
And also Superman's has no way of disarming Thor anyway. The hammer doesn't affect Thor's durability.
Bathinthesun isn't a canon example.
Thor@CapnLincoln Iam back to debunk false claims of SupeFanboys.
Thor dont have any need to be relied on mjolnir. Its just he is popular with mjolnir ,also inorder to make him more mythologically accurate,he was always shown to be holding mjolnir(by writers),no matter he is fighting with a street level character or Galactus level beings..
But,by feats he dont even have a need to carry mjolnir,expect for the part mjolnir provides additional hax.
He is strong enough to hit with the power of supernova
His blows itself can destroy surrounding planets(not a hammer strike,just blows made by his hand)
Oneshotted a minataur who is AS STRONG AS HULK(its literally oneshot!)
Broke Silversurfer's forcefields with one hit which can take hulk's hits
Can release Godblast from his body even without mjolnir
Unworthy Thor, without Mjolnir, was powerful enough to blast a visible hole in a solar system-sized ship with his lightning
Even,durability wise,he has solar system tier durability.
Survived destruction of the solar system sized ship that i've mentioned above(also,this is weakened Unworthy Thor)
Survived an explosion which destroyed mjolnir itself(same mjolnir which can contain a galaxy destroying bomb)
Survived another solar system sized explosion
Thor@CapnLincoln Without mjolnir,can summon storms as big as realms itself(which are universes)
And finally,if needed he can unleash power of his mother Gaea which were gifted to him,which makes him even powerful than Odin and grants additional abilities like Geokinesis,terrakinesis,Plant manuplation, etc.
Thor is evenly matched with Superman without mjolnir.But with mjolnir and the hax provided by it,he can easily beat superman.
Now let me ask u,
How does a random alien who literally needed stars to survive can win against a god who is source himself???
Superman@Siddu look. Superman has beaten people with magical powers before. As said by CBR.com (Ion really read comic books), Superman has beaten people with magical powers before. High chance he can beat Thor
Superman@Siddu and OK, I've changed my perspective on that to a certain extent so maybe current Thor might win but I've always been introduced to a Thor that has always needed to rely on Mjolnir in order to fight with powers. In other words, that's how I've always seen him (until Thor: Ragnarök, of course)
Thor@CapnLincoln Superman had already magical users before,.But,he never beat any magical user who is physically as strong as Thor.I mean,both are equal in terms of striking power nd strength. But,Thor have an extra advantage over Superman,and that is magic weakness.His magical lightning is powerful enough to hurt multiversal beings, .
This is the reason,Superman regularly gets his ass beaten by Black Adam,who is not even as strong as Thor.
And what do u mean by "current Thor"??
R u referring to mcu Thor or Current Allfather Thor??
I mean,yes.Its current Allfather Thor present in the scan i've posted,but he is not using odinforce,he is using powers of his mother gaea by unlocking them.He already did it few times before.
So,it is safe to consider that Thor always had access to Gaea's powers which he unlocks when needed..
Superman@Drmanhattan42 so does Superman win in your opinion? I think Superman wins based on what I've heard about him compared to Thor. Also, let's not forget Superman holding a black hole WITH JUST ONE HAND. Can Thor do that? Probably not
Thor Thor isn't even slow and has excellent reaction speeds. He's moved faster than scientifically possible.
Not only that, he can actually teleport. Something Superman cannot do.
I should note these feats came from @SirSpidey on his Thor respect thread. Its been very helpful.
Superman Superman is more powerful than Thor in Comics world. he faced DC characters such as Anti-Monitor, Imperiex and Darkseid in DC comics. It's just that Thor's supervillains at Marvel are nothing compared to those of the DC Comics superman who stood up. If Thor confronts Mister Mxyzptlk, one of Superman's many enemies, Mister mxyzptlk, will turn Thor into a flower.
Superman This site is such a joke.
It places RKT at the same level as the LT, the beyonder, multi oblivion.
I mean come on sure an overrated guy. Doesn't mean he can made pre retcon beyonder man.
Superman Completely different. Both have been debunked but here I'll explain.
1. He destroyed Yggdrassil not the multiverse. It might contain a multiverse but destroying a multiverse is different. Hela was able to destroy Yggdrasil too, so was Odin with the Odin sword. And Odin amped by destroyer armor + odin sword + 6 skyfathers + entire asgard (-Thor) + 6 other Pantheons were fodder to Celestials. So the Yggdrasil feat <<< Celestials not even beyonders.
2. TWSAIS were speculated to be Beyonders but aren't confirmed to be. Besides, Thor didn't overpower them or even fight them. He destroyed the Tapestry of Fate and cast then out. He only cast them out because the Ragnarok Cycle had ended and so had they. So again he isn't more powerful than TWSAIS who aren't confirmed to be Beyonders.
He didn't kill Those Who Sit Above In Shadow because he understood that wouldn't have ended the cycle of Ragnarok. The only way to end the cycle of Ragnarok was to destroy the Loom of the Fates.
Thor If this were a basic fair fight where they just blitz each other and beat each other to death, then Superman wins, and this is basically what happens in the crossover right?
But if they are actually trying to kill each other I think tactics are different and I do not see how Superman can counter many of Thor's abilities. Here are a few ways Thor can easily win
1) Thor uses Mjolnir to teleport them both between solar systems. In the absence of any solar energy, Thor should win pretty easily. If that isn't enough see 4
2) Thor portals back in time and fights Infant Superman while he's strapped into his crashed pod. Or even better, kills baby Superman (or any ancestor) on Krypton
3) Thor sends Superman into another dimension, preferably one without stars, and Superman is stuck or dies.
4) Thor portals to Krypton, collects a bunch of kryptonite, weakens Superman, kills him
I can't think of any tactics like this Superman has available that would basically cheat the fight. Superman's only winning tactic is hope they start close enough to each other that he can blitz Thor before Thor can do any of the above, and likewise stay on him throughout the fight preventing Thor from doing these things if Thor finds himself losing.
My knowledge of the comics is not that great, but just from a description of their abilities Thor should win if he has has any intelligent strategy. Superman may be smarter but Thor's IQ is listed as 160 which is genius level. If I can think of these simple strategies so could Thor. He might not utilize them if he wants to win in a fair fight to see who is stronger or whatever, but if say Superman goes insane and starts murdering Asgardians, then I think Thor might try a conventional fight at first but would not hesitate to use banishment, time travel, or other strategies to weaken Superman if he were losing.
People should also keep in mind Superman's feat list is longer than Thor's for a simple reason that has nothing to do with their abilities. Superman is a far older character, and far more popular, so he appears in way more comics. And again the fact Superman defeated Thor in a crossover doesn't tell us much. It is basically a given that Superman would win because he is so much more popular, iconic etc. It would be very strange for DC to allow their prime property Superman to be defeated by the relatively obscure (at the time) Thor.
Thor@Unknown: A few things. First off, what do you mean Thor can't teleport with Mjolnir? He has been shown to do that since his earliest appearances in comics.
Secondly, the speed of Mjolnir transcends time, so it can easily banish Superman to wherever Thor chooses, no matter how many times the speed of light Superman can travel.
Lastly, referring to instances in the comics where Thor "struggles" against lesser beings proves that you don't know anything about the character of Thor. Thor has made vows in the past to never physically harm a mortal being. he has also stated multiple times that he holds back against his friends as a means to not humble them. He has also stated that he is too concerned with the fates of others, which is often the reason he loses. There are countless examples in the comics depicting Thor holding back against lesser beings, that it would be illogical to refer to examples of Thor "struggling" against those beings.
Superman ok yea he hasn't done it in a while I would have just forgotten he can teleport with it.
now I'm not doubting you but could you show some scans of him banishing someone. And when he fought wolverine he literally said wolverine was too fast but he's durable enough to take his attacks. He wasn't harming him he was physically immobalizing him.
Thor@Unknown: Here are instances of Thor banishing someone or something that I have compiled so far...
Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #103, Pages #12, 13 - While his power was reduced to half, Thor banished Skurge and the Enchantress by creating a vortex with Mjolnir.
Thor Volume 1 #136, Pages #10, 11 - With only the fury of Mjolnir, Thor can banish beings to an entirely different Universe.
Thor Volume 1 #140, Page #16 - Thor can banish beings and objects beyond all time and space by using Mjolnir to place them within a universal infinity vortex, which is a faster than light continuum which causes cataclysmic displacement.
Thor Volume 1 #142, Pages #15, 16 - Thor eternally banishes the Super Skrull from Earth back to where he came from in the mainstream Universe.
Thor Volume 1 #173, Pages #15, 16 - Thor banishes Ulik back to the realm from whence he came.
Thor Volume 1 #185, Pages #14, 15 - Using the power of the storm, Thor creates a vortex that flung his foes through space itself at speeds faster than the speed of light to arrive at Asgard.
Thor Volume 1 #393, Pages #19, 20 - Thor whirls Mjolnir until it is moving far faster than the mortal mind can conceive, then throws it with its speed increasing by the microsecond, until it finally transcends the boundaries between time and space in order to open a dimensional seam to transport a building to a distant world.
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As for the Wolverine fight, that still doesn't change the fact that Thor holds back against lesser beings and his friends.
Thor The expirienced elite viking warrior Egil the Red is about to battle the christian part time warrior Elijah Williams.
Elijah born and raised as a peseant on the English countryside serve in the kings army at times of war.
He is incredibly strong and got great physical abilities working hard on the farm but also doing some combat training when possible.
The last time Elijah participated in battle he sustained injury and losed an eye, a limitation and set back when engage in combat.
The christian part time warrior wields a normal sword and a shield the weapons he is used to.
Egil the Red serves the king of Konstantinopel as an elite guard and is a mercenary warrior.
When not engaged in battle he is training to become the very best warrior possible, he is strong and got great physical abilities.
Egil wields the sword "Sculd" a legendary weapon forged by the very best weapons smith in the ancient world.
The iconic sword is known to pierce the defences of the enemy destroying armor and weapons.
He also got a shield and a chainmail armor of highest quality he is prepared for battle in the best way possible.
Egil and Elijah face each other to battle, who do you think would win ?
Thor I just like checking in on this website every now and then to see Thor beating Superman in these votes. It truly is a sight to see. It's almost as if I had a hand in the outcome.
Superman My guy slowdinson doing nothing. This site overrates Thor so much obviously he has more votes. In any yt channel which has an educated comic fanbase you'd see the tide in the other direction. About 20k votes and 72 percent in favour of supes.
Thor@Unknown Youtube comments is one of the most toxic place you'll see. Anyone who doesn't follow the mainstream hero Superman gets attacked and called biased.
Thor@Unknown educated comic fanbase??What r u speaking mate?
Can u name one educated Youtube channel pls.Because as far as i know,in most of the channels and there videos i've seen,people actually prefered Thor over Superman(in battle)..
Thor Its not possible to use crossover comics to prove own preference being the legitimate outcome in a physical conflict.
The writer decides outcome because of preference and plot not logic.
I dont think Venom actuelly could beat Superman, being more objective the symbiote would have no chans at all.
Batman kicking Hulk in the stomach and he became knocked out because of breathing a gas afterwards, this is also not possible.
If being objective Superman would not prevail against a magical warrior god wielding the most iconic magical weapon in fiction.
Thor got to many advantages to lose this battle something already presented.
I think its more rewarding to campare characters strength and weaknesses for an objective winner of the battle.
Superman Yes, it is. And you can’t argue that it’s just because the writers are biased since Kurt Busiek, the main writer of the crossover has written stories for both companies. I agree Batman beating the Hulk was dumb, but that was in a non-canon crossover. Superman beating Thor happened in canon.
What the comics dictate always comes first. Superman beat Thor in a hard and tiring fight. A comic certainly bears more fruit than the way that you analyze your battles.
Thor If using only the comics as source of prof and no logical reasoning this site will be unnesassary.
There will be no diffrence in thoughts because all anwers may be found in the comics.
All it takes is a victory and its prof of any physical conflict between the characters.
The writer is objective and got no preference, the story is never limited because of plot.
All characters are portrayed in the best way using all powers, weapons and abilities.
Strengths and weaknesses is always used the way they should.
Im of a diffrent opinion i belive the comics are inconsistent often supporting the hero and the most popular characters.
I also belive writers support plot before logic.
Superman@God_of_Thunder Just gonna point out you are named after and have a profile pic of one of the characters in this fight, so it's incredibly difficult to see you as objective. The writers for these don't get to just write whatever they want, they're under heavy scrutiny especially with a crossover. DC and Marvel both had to be happy with the results and the fact Marvel agreed should tell you something. It's also canon, as Marvel still acknowledges the fact it happened:
(the last two silhouettes acknowledge Supes wielding Mjolnir from this crossover and Wonder Woman doing the same in the previous event)
Thor I do belive its possible to be objective and analyze characters regardless if you got some distance.
Also i have had other avatar pictures as Shazam and Doctor Strange.
Crossover comics is realy nothing to refer to, Venom beating Superman or Batman beating Hulk is examples.
But of course i respect youre strong belives in the comics and the writers
Superman Ok, this is the millionth time i've had to say this, but i'll say it one more time. Venom vs Superman and Batman vs Hulk were made in NON-CANON comics, ok? JLA/Avengers, where Superman beats Thor, is canon to both DC and Marvel.
Thor Its a crossover being canon or not but im very suprised Dc allowed Superman lose together with Spiderman.
But again we dont analyze battles the same way you only want to use the comics and i belive its more than a single story of a writer.
Lets just agree that we dont agree
Thor Not @Mr_Incognito trying to say the DC vs Marvel comics are canon. Even if they were canon, he doesn't have a logical explanation as to why Superman would actually defeat Thor, only that "Superman already beat Thor in a canon comic book."
Superman Oh great, not you again. I proved that JLA vs Avengers was canon and you yourself agreed with me. I’ve already given reasons why Superman would win, mainly because he has superior speed and intellect and is equal to Thor in strength and durability, if not higher. His AP is also higher. And yes, Superman beating Thor in canon is a very good reason to believe Superman wins. If DC and Marvel both agreed on that outcome and it went in the comic, that means a lot. What the comics dictate always comes first.
Thor When did I agree with you that JLA/Avengers was canon?
How does Superman have superior speed? Thor’s hammer moves at a speed that transcends time. Has Superman ever accomplished a feat like that?
How does Superman have superior intellect? Not only does Thor possess gifted knowledge from his Donald Blake alter ego, which gives Thor the ability to comprehend complex scientific works, but he has also been around for thousands of years, maybe even longer. So, if intelligence is the capacity to remember past experiences and apply it to the present state of the world, logically, Thor should be more intelligent, especially since he has gifted knowledge and expertise from Donald Blake.
How is Superman equal to Thor in strength? When has Superman pushed the weight of an entire Multiverse?
How is Superman equal to Thor in durability? When has Superman survived the energy blasts of three Celestials back-to-back-to-back and got back up as if nothing happened?
How is his attack potency higher? Superman can't even destroy the Earth with the impact of his punches.
And no, Superman beating Thor in canon is a terrible explanation for Superman beating Thor. Given that DC was doing much better in terms of comic book sales in the early 2000s, it would of course be the logical thing to make Superman defeat Thor, as to not piss off the larger fan base; you know, the people who pay their salary. Not only that, but also, given this is only solitary evidence of a comic portraying Superman defeating Thor, logically, you shouldn't even be using this example as evidence, because I could easily argue that it was only plot induced stupidity or writer induced stupidity. I mean, if there were a couple of instances of Superman defeating Thor, okay, now that would be more believable. But only one example is not enough for a definitive answer. If that were the case, then Red Hulk would be more powerful than Thor. Also, when did Thor use his vast arsenal of abilities to try and defeat Superman? Did Thor at least try to use the Godblast? Did Thor try to strip Superman of his solar energy? Did Thor try to disperse Superman's molecular, or even atomic structure? Did Thor try to use the Thermoblast? Did Thor use his mastery over the elements to transform Superman into Helium? Did Thor travel back in time to a more opportune time to try to defeat Superman? Did Thor circumvent time itself and create a time warp, thereby freezing everything around him as a means to immobilize Superman? Did Thor banish Superman to another dimension whence he can't escape? Need I go on? If not, then this example of Superman defeating Thor can easily be relegated to being writer induced stupidity.
Lastly, I like how you mention everything except hax when giving your explanation as to why Superman would win. I think deep down inside, you understand that Thor has way too many hax at his disposal that he can use to defeat Superman. You just like to avoid that particular area of battle because it doesn't fit your narrative that, "Oh, Superman is faster, so he will just blitz him. He can punch harder. He can withstand more damage. He can devise a better plan to defeat Thor. Blah, blah, blah, blah." None of that matters if Superman just gets blimped to an entirely different Dimension. And to my knowledge, Superman has never displayed the ability to traverse different Dimensions on his own, so he would be f'd.
Superman Debating you is a waste of my time, I’ve already proven all of my claims to you in the past. I’ll answer the last part though. It’s ridiculous to say that it has to happen more than once to count. That’s just stupid. What you’re doing is grasping at straws to find any reason to discredit the comic, such as calling it writer stupidity or based off popularity. And Thor apparently has to use all of his abilities in order for the battle to count? Superman didn’t come close to using all of his either. So that point is also moot. Thor’s hax won’t matter when he gets inevitably speedblitzed. And Superman has resistances to literally everything Thor can throw at him. Including hax wasn’t necessary. Superman beat Thor in a canon crossover that was decided on by Marvel and DC writers. If you don’t like that, take it up with them.
Thor That's what they all say when they have no argument and can't counter any points. I'm the sole reason you joined this website, so obviously you have time to waste on me. Quit acting like you don't want to debate me.
How is stating outliers don't count stupid? That is one of the most widely accepted concepts in versus debating.
Grasping at straws? I literally spouted off three prime examples explaining that it is illogical to use that comic as evidence. Now unless you can counter these points, simply stating they are wrong is going to get us nowhere.
I think you should reread what I said. I never said any of these characters have to use all of their abilities in order for the fight to count. All I'm saying is there are countless win conditions for Thor that the writer obviously didn't consider.
"Superman didn’t come close to using all of his either." What, like shooting him with some lazers? His cute little solar flare? Superman is so limited in his abilities that it wouldn't make any difference.
"Thor’s hax won’t matter when he gets inevitably speedblitzed. And Superman has resistances to literally everything Thor can throw at him." Lol, I literally called it. You're too predictable. Not only can you not prove Thor would get speed blitzed, but you also have no evidence to suggest Superman has resistances to everything Thor can throw at him. So instead of just making empty statements, how about you prove your argument correct by giving me evidence.
"Superman beat Thor in a canon crossover that was decided on by Marvel and DC writers." 1, prove to me it's canon, 2, it's an outlier, 3, it was a popularity contest, 4, there was some degree of writer induced stupidity, 5, quit using this washed up argument.
Superman@Mr_Incognito in all honesty, I really like THOR better and I've been bored of Superman stories ever since Batman became my favorite DC superhero (though I prefer Marvel mostly) but Superman wins. I completely agree with you
Superman I guess i'd like to share my opinion on this fight. It would be a super arduous fight. I don't even think there is a clear winner here but I voted for Superman because he stands for greatness and does the right things for his powers, instead of using them to battle other mighty foes for a challenge for him. Also Superman once said that the S stood for "Hope" making it more encouraging to people to become inspired by him. I know a bit about Thor but not too much, i know that Thor is the god of thunder and has saved people. Though one thing I dislike is the term "God" it sounds like your acting like your superior to everyone. I know it's fiction and all that but Superman doesn't refer himself as to a "God" you know? That's why I like Superman more in my opinion. Thank you!
Superman True..even though Superman would've considered a god..look the definition up,and you decide...I don't really have a favorite but Superman I think would take this,he's no joke..I mean THOR isn't either but I don't see him coming out on top of this..my dog name is THOR though lol..also had my other furry buddy name HULK..
Superman@vonKonigsberg
I'm this comic,was this the only page of them fighting???,he says it was his toughest opponent he ever faced but looks to me he finished him off pretty quickly that's how strong Superman is and powerful just out of curiosity thanks
Superman@Drmanhattan42 I believe they only fight the once as the rest of the comic the Avengers and JLA team up. There was more to the fight, but I couldn't find good scans, although I think Supes had taken out a large portion of the Avengers like Ms. Marvel and Wonderman earlier in the scuffle. The closest there is to a rematch is when Thor throws Mjolnir to Superman so that he can deal the final blow. Afterwards Superman can't pick Mjolnir up anymore and Thor gets a victory of sorts there. It's been ~ a decade since I'e read the comic, so take my statements with a grain of salt.
Thor Superman's powers and abilities:
1)Near unlimited strength(have similar strength compared to Thor)
2)Super human speed and reflexes
3)Superhuman durability
4)Heat vision
5)Solar flare
6)Freeze breathe
7)Supersenses,Enhanced Vision (In the form of X-Ray Vision, Microscopic Vision and Telescopic Vision),Enhanced hearing,etc.
8)Can control his own body vibrations
9)Radiation Absorption and Empowerment
10)Regeneration ability
Now take a look at Thor's powerset:
1)Near unlimited Strentgh(2nd most physically strongest superhero)
-Can destroy planets as side effect of his blows
-Took the weight of 20planets in one hand
-Pushed world engine which is connected to Ygdrassil tree which contains a complex multiverse.
-Can shatters planets and stars like pebbles
-Destroyed Surturs galactic core with help of Beta ray bill.
2)Superhuman durability and telepathy resistance
3)Superhuman speed, superhuman reflexes
and infinte travel speed.
-Can move as fast as lightning.
-Silver surfer who can cross galaxy in the span of a blink,can fight in nano seconds,who statlemated The Runner(fastest speedstar in mu),is "Too Slow" for Thor,and failed to percieve Thor's movements..
-Fought speedsters like quicksilver,hermes, beings like Hyperion,Gladiator,Sentry who can fight in mftl speeds.
-Stated that has defeated enemies who are even faster than quicksilver.
-Mjolnir can travel 10 realms(universe) and return back in 1 minute.(it took 60 days for Superman to reach the end of the universe)
4)Longevity
5)Heightened senses-God level senses,sight,hearing
-Can hear prayers from a universe away.
-Thor (comparable to Heimdall) can see objects that lie on the edge of the solar system.
-Thor has claimed to be able to hear cries from the other side of the world
6)Unlimited lightning manuplation
and Weather manuplation
-Can summon ice storms
-Can even summon a storm inside people
-Rain fire
-summon storms equal to size of a realm
7)Wind manuplation
-Planet sized cyclones,tornadoes
-whirl winds
-wind of thousands worlds
8)Lifeforce manuplation
9)Electromagnetic spectrum manuplation
10)Energy manuplation
11)Antimatter manuplation
12)Earth manuplation
-Also can summon earthquakes at his will.
13)Geokinesis and terrakinesis
-Plant life manuplation
14)Matter manuplation
15)Can create Force fields
16)Superbreath
17)Regeneration ability
18)Teleportation-
1)Cab rip apart space by his bare hands and travel anywhere
2)Can open portals using mjolnir
3)Can teleport others via mjolnir
19)Energy absorption and reverse projection(by amping it to 1000× times using his life force)
20)Allspeak
21)God blast
-Able to kill hungry galactus,able to provide enough energy to save 1/4 th of the marvel multiverse!!
22)Antiforce blast
23)Thermoforce blast
24)Warrior madness
25)Omnidirectional lighting projection
26)intangibility disruption
27)Magneitsm manuplation
28)Can gain even more power by awakening his mother Gaea's powers which were gifted to him
29)Can control all four elements of earth
30)Knows some magical spells learnt from loki.
31)illusions creation
32)Resurrection
33)Light manuplation via mjolnir.
34)Gift of forgetfullness/Memory Alteration
Now it is up to u to decide who ever wins.
Thor Well done you show and explain what the Thunder God is capable of.
There is a lot of comic book readers especially Dc and Superman fans who got very little knowledge of Mighty Thor.
Superman beats everyone because he is the strongest and fastest there is and because he is Superman !
If being objective Superman would definitily lose to Mighty Thor.
Thor@Siddu Thor managed to dodge mjolnir while he was off-guard. Mjolnir is fast enough to cross the 10 realms with each of them being infinite in size. Bad thing is not many people actually know this stuff and their only research is through quora or tiktok
Thor@MoNsTeR which is called inconcistency exactly. The same way hawkman or aquaman can hurt superman. Also it still doesn't change the fact mjolnir is as fast as I mentioned and Thor dodged it consistently.
Neutral None of them can really put the other down for Good. they would most likely either stop fighting and work together or destroy the entire galaxy together. no one wins and no one loses...except earth
Thor To suggest Superman being the winner in battle against the Silver Surfer or Mighty Thor is only done because of preference.
A superhero or character with serious weaknesses to be exploited may not overpower a magical based "Warrior God" or someone imbued by the "Power Cosmic".
The "Kryptonian Alien" is vulnerable to magical based attacks, the warhammer Mjolnir is perhaps the most iconic magical weapon in fiction.
The solar energy that powers Superman may be manipulated or absorbed, Silver Surfer got vast energy manipulation control powers.
With Mjolnir Thor may do the very same thing and drain or manipulate the energy weaken, injure or kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is the champion of earth and humankind raised on a farm in Kansas Usa.
He is about 35 years of age with perhaps 20 years of expirience from battle and Combat training.
Mighty Thor is raised in a warrior culture and got expirience from some thousend years of combat and training.
Being the champion of Asgard and Middle earth he have fought everything as giants, trolls, monsters and demons.
The Silver Surfer is a very old Alien with some thousend years of expirience, he is not a warrior and a pacifist. Surfing the universe for an extended time in search of planets to his all powerful master he got vast expirience.
To refer feats in comics is of less value, all three got incredible feats of diffrent kinds.
Feats of strength, speed, durability and diffrent powers as energy manipulation and control or magical attacks.
The versatility is superior of Silver Surfer and Mighty Thor allowing more kinds of feats using diffrent powers. This may be the most important reason why Silver Surfer and Thor beats Superman in battle.
With time for planing Batman a "Super normal" human defeated the "Kryptonian" exploiting his weakness.
This should not be possible but with an incredible versatility of a "Warrior God" or Super powerful "Alien" Superman will not prevail.
The objective winner in a conflict between Superman and Silver Surfer or Mighty Thor is not the "Kryptonian".
Superman Maybe it's just because I've recently read not one but two of my new favorite superman comics ever for the first time. Superman smashes the Klan, for one. Amazing comic. More importantly for this though, Superman: Up In the Sky. It just proves that superman can do literally anything. His willpower is insane. In the comic he: literally defies science and logic through pure willpower, beats the flash in a foot race, beats an opponent who's far stronger than he is purely by never giving up, breaks through metal only broken by inverted black holes, and much more. It's mainly about willpower though. Up in the Sky proves that even if Thor was much more powerful, Superman will. not. lose.
Superman Smashes the Klan was freaking amazing. And, yeah, Up in the Sky is just full of insane feats like him finding where the girl was taken in a Zeta beam and him destroying an army of robots designed explicitly to kill him purely because there was nothing that was gonna get in his way to save that little girl. Fan-freaking-tastic!
Thor I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble here but the willpower argument also goes in Thor's favour.
Also the reasoning for Superman winning almost every single battle is literally just because he's Superman. Superman's known for always saving the day the same way Spider-Man always has bad luck and how the X-Men are always hated. But if you take away that plot armour then Thor will win. @God_of_Thunder made a recent answer explaining why.
Superman The hype generated by the very good Marvel movies and the fact that Thor is one of Marvel's coolest characters, i'd say this is more of a popularity contest rather than a serious look at both characters. Also, the problem with Superman are all the retcons.
But "current Thor" and "current Superman" are ridiculous to bring up. I consider all canon and what they've both accomplished (at base power) since their beginning. And Superman wins on that front.
Superman@Poe Who is Superman currently popular with? People who would come here, or older people? The Marvel movies have put Thor, Iron Man, and others on top to a generation that matters.
Neutral Tons of surveys show he’s more popular going around and asking people if they know who Superman is 99% of people will know who he is. He is one of the most popular fictional characters of all time
Superman Thor faced silver surfer before in space. Though Superman would win this fight because that's where it would lead to eventually. And if it's in space? Guess what? Superman can use the source of the sun to regen.
Neutral when you think bout it , i kinda hate the fact that many marvel fanboys consider dc characters as very much overpowered. For eg: say in this case, is superman overpowered? YES!
Is thor overpowered? NO. So can superman win against thor? Ofcourse not, hes the god of thunder.
Similarly, for batman and ironman, people always criticise batman for his PREP TIME. But iron man has like 1000s of his buster armors ranging in power
Superman Superman is OP He's very powerful One of the most in DC universe actually probably top 10 and DC universe is completely on different scale than marvel that means DC characters are more powerful than marvel
Neutral all depends on writers, i guess : ). Base supes himself is kinda multiversial so, yeah he is powerful, but what i said above are some common things which toxic marvel fanboys say. You may know the toxicity of marvel fanboys in the internet, but in india ,ive seen them live dude, its kinda irritating
Thor If they were Marvel fanboys then they're unlikely to call DC characters overpowered then because it defeats the purpose of them thinking the Marvel character will win. No ones going to say Thor's not OP then also say he wins because he's a god. I'm not sure who you've been talking to.
I think what they mean to say is on average DC's heroes are stronger. Just look at the average members of the JL and then the Avengers and you'll see the power difference.
People criticise Batman more because he's known for his prep and a lot of people vote for him assuming he's allowed prep in these battles. They don't do the same for Iron Man.
Also how is base Superman multiversal?
Neutral@Tyrannus i know guys, maybe not in this site, but i know guys that did say shit like that; i meant those points. But i do agree i shouldnt consider all fanboys like that. Batman is just human at peak human conditioning with gadgets and stuff, he could do almost nothing to other powerful beings without prep time, what i meant is that,not in these battles, but iron man having buster armors should be kinda considered prep time
Thor I'd argue people are even more biased to Superman outside of this site. On Quora the majority consensus is that Superman beats pretty much anyone anytime anywhere. And you can usually see they just don't want to accept Superman can lose to someone.
The difference with Iron Man is that not only is he less known for his prep, even the people who do think of it can't use that argument because there are separate versions of Iron Man with all the other suits.
Neutral well, maybe youre right, other than seeing posts in social medias,in my state's official dc fandom group, people post some cringey comments(from other social medias) some of what ive said in the og comment ,but now i realise that true fans never say like that...
Superman What's Thor gonna actually do to Superman??throw or put his hammer on him? FIRST off if that even happened which it wouldn't cause Superman is way too fast,for arguments sake he would just punch behind him creating a huge crack so he would be able to get back up...just because the hammer is on someone their is a way to get out of that situation..and Superman is known for his strength and durability..he would toss him around like a potato..yes Thor is crazy strong but not compared to Superman...
Superman Thor's lighting wouldn't help..combat is probably close and intelligence probably goes to Superman.. people keep saying magic.. listen he's not Dr fate or Dr strange or scarlet witch..even if he had something Superman would be too fast for him to use it..I know Thor is fast too but he's not known for it..I know I read somewhere but I'm not sure if it's made up that he actually ran at like mach 3 or whatever it was..still nothing to superman's speed..
Thor I don't know man. Mjolnir when launched has been able to outrace the SS.
"he would just punch behind him creating a huge crack so he would be able to get back up". I don't know what you meant here. You saying Superman would fly past the hammer and punch Thor in the back?
What would Superman do if pinned by the hammer?
I can't say who's stronger or more durable but to say Superman tosses Thor around like a potato shows a massive lack of understanding who Thor is.
Thor may not be a sorcerer but he doesn't have to be. He's a god. Zeus isn't a well known magician either but his lighting bolts are known for its devastating effects.
Not being known for speed or anything is a poor reason to discount someone and it actually explains how Thor would win as Superman would underestimate Thor's speed and lose.
Thor @ Drmanhattan42 There is no need for having dr strange/dr fate level or atleast scarlet witch level magic to beat superman..LOOOL.Thors magical powers which are gifted by his mother gaea are more than enough to beat the crap out of Superman
Superman Superman ragdolls magical enemies quite often. While magic "as a weakness" has only been used as a plot device to make it something Superman "overcomes".
Thor What I meant was the fact that both Thor and Superman are absolute units but the only reason I think Thor can edge out Superman even a little bit is with magic. And Thors god blast is magic that will shred almost anything. And Superman is as weak to magic as any human is so a god blast would be devastating
Superman There was only one time they fought I’m pretty sure. It was the JLA/Avengers which was confirmed by Busiek to be canon to both companies. Superman won after a good fight, saying Thor was one of the toughest opponents he ever faced.
Thor@vex69 idk how it was cannon(it wasn’t) but they said plot armor because when they made marvel vs dc they made the more popular hero win, simple as that
Thor When comparing two characters battling there are several statistics to concider.
+ Origin and origin of power because this explain the source of power used of the superhero or character.
+ Weakness and limitations of the character.
+ Versatility, a character with a lot of diffrent powers may exploit weaknesses attack in diffrent ways and change tactics.
+ Powerful artifacts and weapons used by the character to increase power.
+ Maximum power output, the force of a characters most powerful attacks !
+ Combat skills and expirience.
+ The level of basic statistics as strength, speed, durability, reflexes, endurance, intelligens etc
+ Meanes of travel, may the character fly or is he or she grounded.
+ Extraordinary feats in the comics !
+ Origin and origin of power for Superman and Mighty Thor.
An Alien Kryptonian born powered threw dna and herritage.
Powered from solar energy that fuels his body.
A God, eldergod hybreed born with his power from herritage, a magical origin.
Wielding powerful magical artifacts created of the gods.
+ Severe weakness to Kryptonite, radiation from the rock weakens Superman and may even kill him.
Red solar energy weakens the Kryptonian severly.
Finaly Superman got a weakness to magical attacks.
Mighty Thor do not have a true weakness but may be depowered if removing Meginjord the magical belt of strength and Mjolnir the magical warhammer.
+ Versatility, Superman got heat vision and frost breath also its possible to mention his incredible speed. The Kryptonian got a good Versatility, its not great but better than a lot of the superheroes.
Mighty Thor got a great Versatility able to perform a lot of stunts.
Weather manipulation as storms, totnados and lightning. Energy absorbation, matter manipulation, blasts of magical energy as Antiforce or the Godblast. Magical energy enhanced blows from Mjolnir.
Create powerful foce shields, wake the dead, dimensonal travel threw portals, teleport, manipulation of souls and much more !
+ Superman do not have any weapon or artifact, he relays on herritage and the sun.
Mighty Thor wields the magical warhammer Mjolnir crafted of dwarfs and enchanted by Odin king of the gods.
The belt Meginjord is charged by magical energy to futher increase his strength.
+ Superman is capable of releasing an attack called the Solar flair, a powerful burst of solar energy. The heat vision is incredibly hot and he may destroy planets with his fists.
Mighty Thor may blast a God blast, probably the most destructive attack of any superhero.
Amplified strikes threw use of the warhammer Mjolnir, attacks may be futher increased threw magical energy.
+ Superman is a skilled fighter with expirience and training from about 20 years.
Trained by Batman to become a good hand to hand combatant.
Mighty Thor is born in a warrior culture with training and expirience from at least a couple of thosend years.
Battling giants, trolls, dragons, monsters as the champion of viking culture.
+ Superman and Mighty Thor are about equals in most basic statistics.
Superman got superior speed and higher intelligence, Thor got superior endurance in no need of any outside energy.
They are about equal in strength bouth got incredible feats in the comics as liftning and destroying planets. Superman lifting the weight of earth in five days, Thor lifting the weight of 20 planets with one arm.
+ Bouth may fly and are not limited to the ground.
+ Feats in the comics have been mentioned under Basic statistics.
Bouth got incredible feats from the comics and are greater than the vast majority of other superheroes.
Using this approach the objective answer would be Mighty Thor as the most powerful and victorious in a battle !
Superman Instead of creating a favorable outcome based on what you think, go by feats of strength. And I'm not talking about N52/PC nonsense. I'm talking their base power feats since they were both created.
not voted From what I read in the comments some people are using Pre-Crisis Superman(who stomps Thor) and Post-Flashpoint Superman (who will lose badly against Thor).This is base Thor vs Post-Crisis Superman and it can go either way.They match up pretty evenly although SM has the edge in intellect and speed and Thor has the edge in powers, fighting skills and weapons.Superman has a very high resistance to hax abilities but so does Thor from extreme cold and heat,mind and soul manlipuation,reality warping etc.This won't be a stomp for neither one but a close fight that either one can win.
not voted Superman is smarter,faster but not more durable than Thor.From all the feats I know of they are similar in durability.Thor has the better(more powerful) powerset like his thermoblast,godblast,various magic abilities,better hand to hand combat skills and his hammer.
Superman@wade
What is Superman doing?towing planets or going so fast creating wormholes at warp speed,or he traveled to where this planet used to be?,,
Superman superman vs thor(this is one of my 1st comments on superhero database, so sorry if it may be in an unusual format. Also am trying to use new 52 and post-crisis superman feats)
intelligence- superman wins!
though thor has outsmarted loki's traps sometimes. Superman is able to remember everything he has read and can draw upon it at will.
He has taught himself surgery, at superspeed no less. It is theorized, if he made the effort he could learn and retain any particular skill he had an interest in applying himself to.
speed- superman wins!
superman has disabled every Reality-Busting Missile in his dc universe in 1 heartbeat also, green lanterns travel the universe at 90 octillion times the speed of light and superman has speed-blitzed them many times before. If that is somehow not enough, he also kept up with the flash. Thor has kept the same pace as silver surfer on special occasions, though he was eventually was outran by him.
strength- superman wins!
superman Has defeated gods like Darkseid and thor has beat Herald-level beings like Thanos and other herald level beings. But I would say darkseid scales above them
endurance/durability- superman wins!
superman traded hits with Darkside and other gods(was almost always perfectly fine afterward). thor has taken hits from beings as strong, if not stronger than Odin.
overall superman has better feats in more deciding categories then thor(Ps.there are many more impressive feats that I could have used for superman).
so am saying sups wins 8/10.
but feel free to reply if I made any mistakes!
Thor "overall superman has better feats in more deciding categories then thor"
Superman dont have more deciding categories to win,it was thor who have more deciding categories to win.Weaknesses, Energy projection,Versaitility/hax.Even if u assume superman is stronger than thor,his severe vulnerability to magic gives a major edge to thor.
Thor@Hulkbatman Bruh,Thor indeed have magic,but he rarely invokes that huge power,
He have to access to powers of Mother Gaea,which he rarely invokes.
"MOTHER GAEA PLAYS NO FAVORITES,WIZARDS OF THE COTAT!HER MAGIC IS STRONGER THAN YOURS.."
Born I was a god of thunderâŚson of OdinâŚbut also a child of the EarthâŚa child of the elder goddess Gaea. Only recently I learned this, and rarely have I invoked that power, or spoken with that voice
Along with beings like Odin,Amatso Mikaboshi, Gaea is a multiversal god,
Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand
I think u dont know the fact Thor also knows some Sorcery which he learnt from loki in his childhood.
Current Thor have Thorforce/Odinforce,
With TF Thor can erase superman out of existence(unless we igone "Story of superman" shit)..
Superman Sorry for any miscommunication but superman has beaten beings that have much more powerful magic then Thor(dr fate and etc). As for âThor can erase superman Out of existenceâ superman has resisted such things before.
Thor@Tanman040 Now stop wanking superman, Superman can never defeat a fully powered dr.Fate.
Superman has consistently fought magic users and defeated them via Plot armour.
Superman was also consistently shown as weak to magic,there are also fewkinds of magic which powers,ONLY FEW.
But,not magical lightning..
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightning
# It was summoned with the Trident so yeah itâd still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#Black Adam's lightning almost killed superman
He was also sown weak to many other kinds of magic
#New 52 Superman Cut To Ribbons By Magic Teeth. Justice League Dark 1 (2011)
#Got k.o'd by Enchantress magic,
Enchantress âSo the mighty hero has a weakness. Magic."
Superman himself once stated that his powers dont work against magic,to Phantom stranger.
Superman was consistently shown weak to magic,atleast to magical lightning.There was few kinds of magic which empowers him,but most of the times he was shown severely vulnerable to magic..And superman never defeated beings much powerful than Gaea without any amps or without Plot armour..
Superman That is mostly incorrect(no offence) Byt superman has beaten the GL including a fully powered dr. Fate. Also stop blaming 90% of superman feats on âplot armour â.
Thor Its funny to see,the way u r ignoring all of the statements of superman saying his powers dont work against magic or he is weak to magic and him getting beaten up by magic users.And argueing me that superman can beat a fully powered Dr.Fate,..Lol!
This is when a fully powered / a well written Dr.Fate went against spectre,
U can see,his battles with Spectre were more of like statlemates other than one sided fights,
Now look,Superman vs Spectre
U can only decide..
Not enough??
This is when Dr.Fate went against Arion,(They were equally matched)
âŚbut Superman just gets stomped in an instant, against a depowered Arion
yes, when Arion one-shotted Superman there, that was Arion in a weakened state. and when Clark fought nerfed Arion he still had to have Phantom Stranger's help, and even then couldn't take him on directly! Fate, on the other hand, can match Arion's standard power level.
As much as i know,Superman had never defeated Dr Fate,if he really did so,it would be definitely with pis Orelse prove it by showing any scans..
But,the only thing i know is the fight between Bruutal and Dr.Fate (the Earth 2 Bizarro and Doctor Fate, respectively)
U can see this is not the main universe Dr.Fate,this is Dr.Fate of earth 2.This Dr.Fate could be weaker than the original one,and this is not even the superman either..He is just an another kryptonian.
Also,this doctor Fate is heavily nerfed. Nabu is dead by the time this version of fate existed as it happened in the 10th age of Magic, and as i already said,Superman isnt even the person facing Dr fate. Dont use a similar character like superman that beat dr fate and say that decent enough to say Superman can win.Brutaal is similar to Bizarro, and Bizarro is very different from superman despite being cloned from him⌠and i guess 3rd.
Dr.Fate has already fought Silverage Superman and martian manhunter together and won.
Superman Sorry if you think I ignored your earlier statements but your showing the handful of times superman is affected by magic(that is much more powerful then Thorâs most of the time). But thatâs like saying Thor is weaker then iron man and captain America because of this https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111282548/5153308-cap%20and%20ironman%20can%20do%20it%20pt%201.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111282548/5153309-cap%20and%20ironman%20can%20do%20it%20pt2.jpg
does this mean cap and ironman are above thor!?!?!?! lol
Thor@Tanman040
"that is much more powerful then Thorâs most of the time"
R u serious!Superman screamed in pain and got severly hurt by lightning attacks of street tier characters like LiveWire,
And almost got killed by black adams lightning,
Thors lightning is pure magical,
and Livewire's lightning is not even comparable to thors lightning.
Also,by feats, Thors lightning >>>Blacl Adams lightning.Because black adams lightning never done something like this-
Piercing through a multiversal entity Amatsu Mikaboshi(A being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!) making him to scream in pain
Knocking out(temporarily) the most durable and strongest hero Hulk,
Killing the void!
Thors lightning is waaaayyy more powerful than Black adam's lightning which almost killed Superman.
U r making self assumptions without proving them,
I've already shown u scans of Dr.Fate overpowering both superman and mm at a time,and u failed to show me scans of superman overpowerng Fate.
Lmao!!!Instead ur showing me pis feats of ironman and captain america and trieng to prove ur point..đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Ok!I can prove Dr.Fate is more powerful than superman by showing u feats of
Dr.Fate..Can u show me feats of ironman or captain america to proove them powerful than thor??
Can Ironman/Captain America move planets using magic like Dr.Fate?
Can they make chains(using magic) which are strong enough to move continents??
U r doing the same thing what all other superman crybabies do most of the time,
"Underestimating other characters "..
Superman Ok so let me get this right your saying that am "wanking superman" and a "superman crybaby". Even though you have thor as your profile pic...đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł. Your doing what all thor fanboys do most of the time wank thor and downplaying superman(like showing superman getting hurt by street level and then showing thor hurting a multiversal entity)
that's the equivalent of me showing thor getting blitz by white tiger aka street-level characters
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111282548/5153302-blitzed%20by%20white%20tiger.jpg
and then later showing superman then punching lobo out of orbit
https://imgur.com/a/g2CQOCR
(if you want to use discord or some other instant platform to hurry up this debate am down)
Thor@Tanman040 The fact that u r saying Superman can beat Dr.Fate itself shows that ur biased towards superman and ur wanking superman.Still,i didnt even directly call u a fanboy or crybaby,i was just referring ur behavior to other toxic superman fanboys.Sorry if u got hurt by those words,i didnt mean to insult u..
Having my profile pic as thor doesn't mean that iam a toxic fanboy..
"like showing superman getting hurt by street level and then showing thor hurting a multiversal entity"
Showing high end feats,doesnt mean that iam wanking thor,i was trieng to describe u the power levels of thor's magical lightning and vulnerable levels of superman to magic.Neither iam wanking thor nor iam downplaying superman.
And neither thor have any weakness like "getting blitzed by street level characters" nor he gets hurt by those blitzes..
My intention is not to downplay superman by showing his low end feays,Iam just pointing out superman's weakness to magic and showing the scans to prove it..
If i really wanted to downplay superman,
i might have shown some low end feats of superman like him getting k.o'd by hitting moon
or
him struggling to move a moon
and a planet also even with the help of few sidekicks
But,i know the fact these low end feats are result of some shit writting and bad treatment from writers considering what superman is and his other feats..
I can show u scans of thor moving and fighting in light speed or atleast lightning speed(which i've posted down in this website,if u want i will post them once again) or i can show u the statements of thor able to move in lightning speed or i can show u scans of thor fighting and defeating characters like Gladiator,sentry,hyperion, or speedstars like quicksilver, hermes,zefra,etc or beings like silversurfer(whom thor fought almost for 14times and defeated him 3-4 times) ,a being who is even faster than superman..
Can u show me any scans of superman stating he is immune to magic???
"if you want to use discord or some other instant platform to hurry up this debate am down"
Yes,iam ready..Can u provide me any link?
Thor Superman must win. can withstand the Omega Beams of Darkseid itself. which we know well is one of the deadliest weapons in all DC comics. But Thor will win if he realizes that his only weakness is green kryptonites. before inflicting it with Magic or thunder.
Superman Can we all stop saying that Superman's greatest weakness is magic? Magic only affects him like any other human like Batman. Superman could get right back up just handling a bolt of lightning from Thor.
Thor We'll stop saying magic is one of supermans greatest weaknesses when they show us it isnt, the comics constantly make it clear he has a massive weakness to magic
Thor Its quite annoying when people strawman our argument. Like @DoubleAgentRed said it is an undeniable weakness however you guys act like we say magic insta kills when we never said that. But magic is a weakness that plays an important factor considering they both already have similar strength, durability, power etc.
Thor Yes easily it is THOR were talking about he's a norse god he's known for his strengh I mean he eats giants for breakfast claps gods with one finger literally lifted the multiverse just by flexing
Thor@alexshield6794 Thor wouldn't destroy Superman in an arm wrestle. Superman once held Shazam to a standstill. He only won because CM's power was stolen by his family but it goes to show Superman could hold the strength of Hercules for some time
Thor Thor can draw magnetic energy using mjolnir and can hit superman.He drew magentic enrgy from the core of the planet and used it as an Omega level attack on celestial Arishem.
What's speacial with this??
A similar attack from Hawkman with the "Claw of Horus" laid Superman out.
Thor can draw the solar energy out of Superman like he did the Presence. The Presence was easily Herald level if not close to Skyfather level
Thor can absorb Superman's heat vision in his hammer and fire it back at Superman with 100x or even 1000x times modified magnified.
Thor absorbs and redirects a planet destroying beam of energy from amped Thanos.
Not to talk of it can absorb Lokiâs immortality.
Just a small focused blast of heat vision was able to make Superman bleed. Imagine what a full power blast of heat vision made 100x more powerful would do to clark..
Thor A lot of your arguments are almost exclusively for Thor. And considering the way you like to skew things for Thor, its become apparent they perhaps the fanboy here is you.
Thor@Tyrannus Why exclusive for thor?
I've provided evidences to proove those abilities could work on superman,considering the way hawkman was able to k.o superman and his heat vision pierced his own skin..
Thor I only talk about how thor wins because i personally think there is no way for superman beating thor..Its my personal opinion,u cant oppose this..
There r lot of people here dont even know what are thor's powers and abilities, and they dont even try to know about them.They simply assume themselves as thor is only about a hammer and lightning.That's why i post scans of thor's abilites..I've also provived proofs to show how these powers affect superman.
And yes,iam a thor fanboi.But,i've never argued in the wrong way,i've never been too toxic on anyone like some of the superman fanbois in this site,i always tried my best to provide proofs for my statements.
Ok,i know the reason behing ur reply ..
I am sorry to call Gladiator fanboi..But,answer me honestly, Are'nt u a Hulk fanboy?
Thor@Siddu You accused me of being a Gladiator fanboy even though I like Thor more. However whenever I see your comment its all about how Thor wins. The problem isn't with me, its you.
Trust me, most people here know what Thor's capable of. He's arguably the most talked about hero here with his feats being shown almost daily.
No because I actually prefer the Red Hulk. What makes you think I prefer the green?
Thor Yeah,Most of the time i only comment about thor,but not all the time.Go to my latest comments,and check..Its because i dont want to interfere in other arguments,i will interfere in arguements related to thor because i know completely about thor and iam confident at what i was commenting..Like i already said,i talk about thor wins only when he really wins(atleast when iam truely confident)..
I bet most of the people here dont have any idea about hawkman beating Superman with claw of horus,there are some people here who want to defend superman' vulnerability to magic,so i posted scans about them..I dont know anout this site,but i found people acknowledging about thors power set at many places..
Thor@Tyrannus Actually, ur the one who made that battle page,voted him,tagged my name and u've stopped argueing me in hulk vs gladiator page ,and commented "ur arguments make more sense"..I know,u've done this just to insult me and make my arguements look like a "joke".These things increased my anger and made me to call u a "fanboy"..
Just because i talk about thor most of the time doesn't mean iam biased towards thor and doesnt proove iam "problematic".
If u really have a serious problem with me,i will never argue u again in my life..
Thor I didn't know you've commented on Hulk vs Gladiator. I'll check after this.
I don't insult people, I was just calling you out on the hypocrisy of calling me a Gladiator fanboy. You've since retracted though so its ok.
You admitted that your a Thor fanboy though.
Thor@Tyrannus I've mentioned u a fanboy only in the battle page u've created ,as a reply to what u have done to me.If u dont want to insult me,why did u create that page,why did u tag my name?,U should have done that if i failed to reply u in hulk vs Gladiator page,but i didnt...By,the time u created that page, i've already replied u..Did i mention u as a gladiator fanboy anywhere else other than single page ??What is the need to reply saying iam biased in this battle page??So,u want to tell people in this battle page that ,iam a biased fanboy because i've called u a gladiator fanboy in a page where there are hardly 10 people are present..If i really wanted to insult u,i might have mentioned u as a gladiator fanboy in other battle pages like galdiator vs sentry or gladiator vs silversurfer, vs hulk,..(Once again sorry for mispronunciations)
Thor@Siddu What did I do to you? Create that battle page? That doesn't justify insults. I made that page because everything you were saying made sense there. Because Gladiator wasn't just facing Thor.
I'm pretty sure I did ping your name on Hulk vs Gladiator.
Like I've already said, I never called you a fanboy back. Stop lying now.
I voted against Gladiator on Hulk and Sentry so what you said doesn't make sense. And even on Silver Surfer its because Thanos saw him as the bigger threat. @MaseTheFace Who said its beef? Your acting like you've never seen a debate before.
Superman@Tyrannus: No, this is definitely beef. I know the difference between beef and debate and what ya'll have going on was a debate at first but it's slowly turning into beef.
Thor@MaseTheFace No it definitely isn't. Your not even part of the debate so I'm not sure how you think you can determine what is and isn't beef. I'm still calm with the guy and he's since apologised. Your just looking for some entertainment by egging things on.
Thor@tyrannus i wasn't meaning like superman could kill thor with heat vision. The thing i meant is that thor can kill superman with thunder attacks he uses against guys like sentry and chaos king. Just a normal big thunderstrikee would only hurt superman.
Thor in terms of pure physical strength superman may have an edge but if we take all their abilities together then thor is above him in most. so thor will win but with a hard fight
Thor Superman is considered as slightly above thor in terms of pure strength ,because he have 5-6 "infinte" strength feats whereas thor have 2-3 .This is because,the way writers write them and give them feats.Even,thor have potential to perform feats done by superman.But,still superman was assumed as 2nd most strongest hero after hulk,and thor as 3rd.But,Thor's striking strength is higher than superman's.Thor with mjolnir have way better striking feats compared to superman., upon that mjolnir is an enchanted weopon to which superman is extremely vulnerable.
Thor thor's full potential is way more than super man's potential but thor barely uses it . if he uses it then it will be a threat to the whole universe. so superman cannot win and the things u say are pretty correct
not voted Comparable stats but Thor doesn't have any weaknesse. Superman is weak to red sun radiation and Magic.
Thor can just open a portal to a red star
Thor wins due to magic & Mjolnir haxs IMO
Thor Superman is probably vulnerable (not weak, just susceptible like your average human being) to Thors lightning... and if that's the case, Thor has this battle in the bag. Amplifying the power of lightning by 10,000x and then on top of that, Thors "Warrior Madness", Superman is finished. Superman might get a few good hits in, but Thor being the literal God he is can take a few Super punches.
Thor Exactly!Superman was shown vulnerable to magical attacks from even street tier villains,especially Magical lightning!If thor uses magical powers gifted by his mother,superman gets stomped!..Nomatter how hard these fanbois defend there hero,truth is truth!
Thor This is for the people who think superman dont get hurt by thor's lightning -
#In Action comic #835,Livewire fights superman,though it didnt kill superman,but it hurt him badly,
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightningÂ
#it was summoned with the Trident so yeah itâd still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#And this..
# superman himself once stated ,his powers dont work against magic,including invulnerablility(to Phantom Stranger)
And yes,magic may not kill superman, because he is superman,but it definitely hurts him more badly compared to others!Atleast magical lightning...
Now,take a look at Thor's lightning-
#His lightning made Death Seed Sentry scream in pain,Sentry was actually flying at light speed during that time,so dont expect superman to dodge every lightning attack from thor!(And it was sentry in full potential, sentry is more durable than superman if iam not wrong!)
#And my favourite one is,it even hurt Amatsu Mikaboshi badly and made him scream in pain,a being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!!
#Even knocked Savage hulk temporarily,
#Shattered a dimensional barrier created by Odin!
#Thor's lightning killed Void(though sentry himself wants to die,still it was a good feat for thor,because sentry knows only thor has enough power to do it)
Still there are tons of other lightning feats i can show,and i am not even talking about Godblast,.and thorforce..
And apart from his ligning,thor also have powers of his mother Gaea.He can use it whenever he wants.Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand ,as she is a multiversal god(i dont mean thor is also a multiversal god,but he have access to her power),and thor rarely revokes that power,(which includes Earth manuplation, Elemental control,terrakinesis,etc).Thor also had access to her magic...
"LET THY POWER BE REVOKED"
Its funny to see how majority of the people acknowledge the fact,thors powerset also includes-Magical powers gifted by gaea,learnt some sorcery from loki,can even can cast illusiom and magical spells,and his hammer is pure magical..Imagine superman's condition if thor uses his magical powers,
For me,this is a STOMP..
Neutral This fight for me is honestly 50/50. The 2 already did clash in a canon JLA/Avengers Crossover. Superman said that he "barely" beat Thor. He also said Thor is the single hardest opponent he has ever beaten, so technically Thor could win if the fight again. So the fight is 50/50.
Thor@BaroBeo Even,comicvine,killermovies, vsbattle,quora,etc are full of fanbois..Fanbois are everywhere.I personally found this website is bit better than those crap websitez.
Thor@phamhungbao Nope.Nobody attacks u.Just ignore them(toxic fanbois).I myself a thor fan,but not a toxic fanboi like most of the sup's fanbois in this site.Heroes like sentry,silver surfer,dr strange have better hax but lack Superstrength;Heroes like hulk,hercules have superstrength but lack hax/Versaitility,But Thor is the one who can match superman in strength and speed, can outclass superman in durability, power and Versaitility in powers.That's why thor beats superman pretty much easily..
Neutral@Siddu yeah I agreed with the hardcore toxic fanboys.Honestly if somehow Screw Attack Death Battle made Thor vs Supes they gonna end it like Goku vs Supes part 1&2 and I wouldnât be surprised if that happened.
Neutral Funny coming from toxic dc fanboys lol. Just because more people are actually saying why Thor wins there not Marvel tards there actual debaters and donât sit here complaining like you both
Neutral DC fanboys, 73% of people like Marvel more than DC both companies are great, but just cause you a lazy ass doesn't mean your husband Superman takes this.
Thor If thor knows superman's weakness to redsun,he does thisđ -
He can simply open portal to redsun by swinging mjolnir in the speed of 3xftl,.
Here,thor opening a portal covering entire town,!!and remember, thor can open portals to whereever he focus and imagins.. .
"SHOULD THE PORTAL HE IS CREATING OPEN TO A SUN OR STAR"
Here,thor shows how easily he can open portal (within less than a second).
So,Either superman gets weakend by redsun radiations or thor pushes him to portal opening directly to surface of redsun using all of his strength ,superman should run away from battlefield inorder to be alive...
Here,thor teleported a group of villains without even them noticing.Thor can just teleport/banish superman to dark dimension or redsun without even superman noticing..
Neutral for me itâs a toss up, Superman is amazing but so is Thor. in terms of strength Thor isnât far from Supes. And as for speed, Thor can react to Silver Surfer who is actually much faster than Superman in my opinion. Thor has way more experience and he has his thousands of years of battle knowledge. But The Man of Steel is great too, he had dealt with many gods in the past. I give the fight a 50/50.
Thor@Hyperbacha,No ur wrong!Winner is who ever is more durable.Durable in the sense who evr have "PlotArmour".So,the winner is Who ever the writer wants tođđ
Thor Glad to see the votes are still where they should be. I remember a time when Superman had more votes, but then @Galactus deleted a ton of alternate accounts, which in turn made it to where Thor was winning. Makes you think who the worst fanboys are.
not voted@Sirspidey Tell me how many people have showed arguments for Superman on this website. I've only seen Mr_Incognito and Emptyhand support him.
If you keep scrolling down. There's pictures of Thor with a beaten up Superman. Also there's you. You vote Rune King Thor over the One-Above-All. There's people that overrate Thor on this site a bunch they put him at 465 BILLON which is dumb. Is Superman overrated on this site? Not as much as Thor.
Thor@SSpiderGwen Bro,sorry to interfere.R u checking votes count??I can see constant rise in votes for both superman and thor.Too many thor fanbois in a single website??how is it possible bro??And This is the only website in which instead of only arguements,people can cast their votes to their respective character.If thor is truly overrated in this website,there would be a significant votes gap between superman and thor.But,only 4.2% gap??Do u think this small gap is due to thor fanbois?Even if u go to quora,and searth thor and superman,u will find most of the comic experts stating thor wins over superman.So,u think even quora is full of thor fanbois?
And if thor is overrated,Rkt might have more votes over cas,thor might have more votes over sentry,dr strange,dr fate,and many more...
not voted@SSpiderGwen I agree with you 100% also there are a ton of legit comics that I can't copy and paste for some reason that Superman beat the crap out of Thor and even stopped his hammer.. unfortunately I think I need an I phone of something...also so.eone said about someone having multiple accounts, man do you actually think the guy had like 68 email accounts just to have Superman win,I'll tell you how Thor is winning,he's winning because as of now he's more popular in the media right now like movies etc etc..it's not a popularity contest or who you like more,if that was the case I would vote HULK on every single battle because he's like one of my top favorite characters,but he would lose to Superman as well.. anyway IMO SUPERMAN WOYKD DESTROY THOR AND TO BE HONEST I ACTUALLY LIKE THOR A TINY BIT MORE THAN SUPERMAN
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys Bro,this is battle between comic verisons thor and superman,there is a separte pagw for move verisons.People are smart enough to know what page is between comic verisons and what is between movie verisons.Why r u bringing about popularity all the time??Do u know how much popularity does superman has??Superman is worlds 2nd most popular hero,.What makes u think in that manner?Even there are many snyderverse and dceu Superman fans present here.If this is battlr between superman dceu and thor mcu i wilk agree,superman may defeat thor,but thor in comics is beast compared to a cat in mcu.Even if people consider mcu verison of thor,nobody would vote for thor if they have seen snydercut.Do u know how popular is jl snydercut??It was still trending in hbo max.
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys
And never again dare to say u like thor more than superman...U dont deserve to say that!According to u superman is better hero than thor,superman is stronger and durable than thor ,thor is an ant infront of superman,superman stomps thor and u say u like thor bit more than superman. đ¤Śââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
not voted@Siddu
I hear you bro..by the way I know people asked you before,how do you post up pix on this website,I'm unable to do it on Samsung..tried everything..?? please let me know.. anyway my point is I know it's the comics,but certain people will still look at the NOW meaning the box office success of MCU and also their favorite character ,yea Superman is recognized as the most popular character ,it all started with him..he's #1 on IGN TOP HEREOS BUT you have a bunch of kids that will vote for Thor not even knowing how powerful Superman is .for instance I like the hulk and Batman top 3 HEREOS but I won't vote Batman or hulk over Superman even though I like them better..other people..as far as the punk ass that is kinda threatening on the post below you,he's probably lives at home with mommy an daddy and thinks he's a tuff guy who has superpowers...maybe he's Thor's father ODIN..at least your mature about your post..that shows your personality traits are better..when you get a chance maybe give me some advice.. regardless Thor is very powerful and I do like him little better than Superman but I still think Superman would kill him...Oh my bad ,that punk is you hahaha...oh well that's funny,I don't know how to take that comment..maybe you should apologize and I'll take what I said back..cool?
Thor So,ur taking back ur words?Ok then,i apologizeđ !
(caustion:I was gamaatically bit weak,plz try to understand if u find any grammatical errors in my explanation đ )Actually even i too dont know how to post pics before. @phamhungbao explaned me everything clearly whem i asked him..Ok,follow these steps:
1)First what u have to do is,copy the link text of image and paste it here.
2)Then keep "img" in [ ]at the starting of link and keep "/img" in [ ]at the ending of link,..then ur imahe will get posted.
3)For example,i will replace 'g' in img with imn and www with yyy and com with zzz.
[imn]yyy . sdd . zzz[/imn]
not voted Thor's hammer could be taken away. What if Superman becomes worthy then? Fight's over then. All Superman has to do is just dodge his lightning strikes and since he's faster than Thor. He could probably dodge a Godblast from him as well. Thor is a good hero but Superman is just a better one at it. Superman is a really good person and even Batman has admitted this. He said deep down Superman is a good person and deep down he isn't. Superman saves people everyday and he's humble unlike Thor. Thor is a barbarian that's who he is. I'm not trying to put a dispatched dislike comment on him. I'm just saying he isn't anywhere of the good deeds of what Superman does.
Thor So,thor is a badguy.Superman good guy.And thors hammer is toy which can be lifted by any fool on earth.Godblast can be dodged...Superman is more humble,but thor is drunkard!
(seems like ur Jason Auron's assistant đ )
Kids now a days...
not voted He's not saying he's a bad guy, your taking it out of perspective..he just saying superman saves people on a daily basis and Thor goes into wars most of the time..Thor still good he's fighting bad people..but he's right Superman would dodge anything coming from Thor..I said that I'n a prior post..and he's alot stronger and durable...Thor would lose
Thor Nah bro,it depends on how fast he throws mjolnir. He casually throws mjolnir at normal speeds agsint mortals.But,when he needed,he can throw mjolnir to infinite speeds.I already said,thor once thrown mjolnir to 10 universe which travelled and came back in less than a minute,in another issue,thor throws mjolnir to farthest region in galaxy which again travelled and returned back in 58 seconds. U under estimate thor alot bruh.Thor even thrown mjolnir more than "thought" speed of loki.In mu,speed of thoght is almost "uncaluclable".It was caluclated as almost trillion times faster than light.I am not wanking thor,everthing was calucalted by many comic experts in youtube,quora,etc.If thor throws mjolnir with his true might!then superman can never dodge it.
Silver surfer a being who can move 5million times faster than light with less than 0.001 nano seconds reaction speed,failed to dodge mjolnir,not once ,many times.There are many more scans to proove this.Thor usually dont throw mjolnir that hard against mortals on earth,that is why some may dodge it,but ss is a cosmic being.Earth has avengers ,avengers has hulk ,so there is no need of thor most of the time because most of earthly villains in marvel are << thor even if u consider their feats in comic.Thor and superman are equally durable according to feats,both tanked universal level attacks,nuclear Explosions and many more.But,thor has advantage over superman, he can create force feilds with the help of mjolnir,can absorb almost everytype of radiation or enrgy or any magical attacks with mjolnir and he is even durable to magic to some extent,even lokis magic has no use on thor,loki needed power from surtur to make his magic effective on thor.But,superman??he is severaly vulnerable to magic ,i am not saying he is weak to magic,but he has no defence against magic and gest hurted by magic just like a normal being hurted.Ther are even some feats to proove superman is weak to magical lightning, but...i dont want to argue on that!
Thor This is what thor usually does when he stops holding back speed-
Here,it was mentioned clearly that he was fighting faster than light speed!
Here,Jane foster an inferior version of thor operating multiple people in fraction of secondsJane stated that she moved in speed of lightning.She has to think,percieve things, move hands and operate in lightning speed...
Here,thor blitzing loki literally faster than thought speed!!!In marvel universe,speed of thought is far faster than speed of light..
Here,thor moving his hand nd punching in microsecond(0.0000001th second)!!
Thor is fast enough to evade tank shells.
Here,thor blitzing entire army of malekith forces across all the continents on earth in "seconds"!!And he did it without mjolnir!
Thor once again running in lightning speed and punching venom..
Here,in the above feats,thor is moving faster than light or atleast he can move in the speed of lightning he commands,so it may be faster than speed of normal lightning!..
There are even plenty of feats more from classic days ,modern age and current verison to proove Thor is a lot faster.
Technically,he can be "As Fast AS HE NEEDED"!
I have seen many fools in comicvine and other websites trieng to downplay thor and misleading things by showing those "debunked" antifeats again nd again,but they acknowledge tons of other speed feats.
Thor "Superman speed kill thor",lol!!
Thor is actually a superspeed guy.Thor is initially lot faster,but he restrains his "superspeed" and can use only when needed just like he uses for wind manup,lightnings,transmutation,energy absorption,etc.He can even move in speed of his own lightning if he stops restrainng it.Hela,adam warlock,stated it,and thor himself stated it twice.This is why Jane a normal human being after weilding mjolnir does some crazy things like performing surgery of multiple people in fraction of seconds with "lightning speed"(same mentioned in that issue),stopped bullet in midair,fighting odin in space when flying in ftl speed,and many more...This is because "any being who weilds mjolnir possess powers of thor"(stated by Odin), those powers also includes "Superspeed".It was even mentioned in offical marvel website that superspeed is an ability granted by weilding mjolnir.So,this abilities can be "restrained" and used when needed.This is what thor does when he faces street level heroes or any mortal being.
He himself mentions it manytimes.I know,even heroes like superman holds back a lot on earth but he cant restrain his speed ability unlike thor, cause it was a godly type ability but not scientifical type ability.
Here captain america states that his clones cant restraint like thor so they are pretty hard to dealt with.
Thor once clearly mentions that he holds back his "true might" on earth.
But,still these lowballer goes on pointing his antifeats facing with mortal beings..
Thor @Â Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys,Did u even watch that video?only thumbnail contains there movie verison images,in video he explained who will win in comic verions clearly,he made a separate video on mcu and dceu versions..
Thor@Mr_Incognito I know a salty fanboi is gonna argue on that channelđ.What more can i except from a superman fanboi??..and nobody is arguing that,this video is any kind of proof for showing thor>superman or anything else...If u dont want to agree this,then dont agree!why to give hate to him!??..Danco was never biased towards anybody,he dont have any need to be biased to towards anyone.. whenever he gives victory to a marvel character,few guys appear in comment section ,they are gonna abuse him like hellđ¤Śââď¸,they are absolutely toxicđ ...
Thor@Siddu You talk of toxicity and being a salty fanboy but the way you reacted to @Mr_Incognito's comment was almost like that of what you just described.
Thor@Tyrannus Yeahđ I was bit too toxic.
sorry @Mr_Incognito,..but,I dont mean to be hurt him,but i found many guys in comment section who are too toxic on that youtuber(Danco).There's nothing wrong in that video,if somebody dont like his videos,no need to watch his videos,why to spread hate on him?
Thor Thanks a lot for repling.
It actually worked for posting yt video.But..but..not working for posting imageđđđ . i typed
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But after posting it,nothing is showed,.my answer was blank!
not voted DESTROYED A GALAXY WITH A SNEEZE
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13 DESTROYED A SUN.
14 DRAGGED A GALAXY. ...
15 CREATED A SUN. ...
16 HELD A BLACK HOLE IN HIS HANDS. ...
17 MOVED THE SUN. ...
18 BENCH PRESSING THE EARTH (FOR FIVE DAYS) ...
19 PUNCHING TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. ...
20 200 QUINTILLION TONS... ONE-HANDED. ...
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not voted@Tyrannus but still he sneezed a bunch of stuff out of the way like planets etc if that's true what you say..it's still classified as a feat..bottom line is it would be a tuff fight..and it's Superman,don't matter which one..imo
not voted Ps I'm.nit a Superman fannn ummm.more of a hulk or Batman or Dr Manhattan but I'm basing this on reality..if this was real Thor would have a problem..he can throw his hammer all day because Superman would dodge anything that comes at him..he's way too fast took durable and way stronger..if he can lift with ease a quintillion lbs with one arm I'm sure he could reach up to more than a sextillion lbs or beyond like septillion or octillion lbs.. Thor is not as strong
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys It does matter because not only was Pre-crisis Superman more powerful, he'd inhaled the magic dust from Mxy.
The myth of Superman being faster is getting a bit ridiculous now. I can see others are starting to use my original scans for Thor so I'll provide some new ones.
Thor shifted the World Engine attached to yggdrasil (multiversal feat).
Durability may go to Superman but then again Superman's weak to magic while Thor is magic.
Superman Superman has superior speed feats, such as the monitor ship missiles he destroyed by flying around the entire volume of the DC multiverse in the space between a heartbeat. Thor is by no means slow, but Superman is faster.
Thor@Mr_Incognito,đđ
This wanking superman to next level.
Supermans best feat is flying across Dc universe "after sixty days" and ur bringing feats from ur imagination.
Thors best feats is throwing mjolnr to 10 universes in a minute or less and returned back to him.Thor himseld stated that he can travel evenly with speed of mjolnir
Thor@Mr_Incognito,the feat u have mentioned is not really happened.Before the whole story started time was frozen.
She states-"I invented this..hmm..chrono paralizer to freeze time here in universe designate zero"..
Superman Well, time was moving when he performed the feat, otherwise he would be frozen too lmao. And I didnât make the feat up, you just recognized that.
Thor Did u see my comment?She wantedly frozen time for superman.So she exlcluded superman from that effecr.If she will include superman, what is use of freezing time?đ ..I enquired many feats bruh,the best i found was that flying across dc universe including black holes in 60 days.Even,many superman experts in quora mentioned same feat!..
Superman That also isnât true because if everything besides Superman was frozen then Lois Laneâs heart wouldnât beat and the monitor ships wouldnât be moving.
Thor Nah bro..Luis Lane's heart beat was been stopped."As it thaws her heart beat will beat once only without ur aid and then "STOP""!!Even in that picture,in the heart rate monitor, her heart beat was shown stopped..
Thor Thor has lifted 20 planets with one hand and stalmated hurc in a arm wrestle the same guy who lifted the heavens and he's reversed the world engine which is infinite in weight he's injured chaos king with lightning killed glory with ten thousand gods in one also he knocked knull jaw off and only way knull won is because he detracted him and knull ripped sentry in half and eat the void he's throw hulk to space with one hand he's consistently clapped galactus and one shotted death and you guy thing so Cape boy can win thor is above superman in every stat by miles
not voted Where are the facts? Superman can lift dozens of planets too ,he actuyblew one up by sneezing...Superman is FASTER,Thor wouldn't see him coming
Thor@Doomsdaybrainiacdestroys
Lmao,bro u dont know anything about thor ,this thing was clearđ¤Łđ.
Thor can clearly see Ego the living planet moving in Hyperspace,i.e.5000Ălight speed and he even outraced it!Not once,3 TIMES!!!
Thor Its because of comments like this that I haven't changed my vote from Thor to neutral.
Magic's the only reason why I think Thor can edge the win but when I ask for counter arguments all I hear are "magic's not a weaknesses".
Thor Thor has lifted 20 planets with one hand and stalmated hurc in a arm wrestle the same guy who lifted the heavens and he's reversed the world engine which is infinite in weight he's injured chaos king with lightning killed glory with ten thousand gods in one also he knocked knull jaw off and only way knull won is because he detracted him and knull ripped sentry in half and eat the void he's throw hulk to space with one hand he's consistently clapped galactus and one shotted death and you guy thing so Cape boy can win thor is above superman in every stat by miles
Thor Thors lightning is magical,evrytime superman got beatenup by blackadam lightning.Thors lightning has no limit,and it is pure magical..Thor easily hurts superman.
Superman I voted for Superman but I have to say Thorâs magic is a good argument, hand to hand I feel like Superman would take it but Thor with Mjolnir would be a big problem
Thor Only fanboys think superman is not weak to magic.Atlas knockd superman badly,wonder woman defated suprman 2 times,enchantress defeated superman,and there instances when whole jl is not affected by magic but only superman git affected,evn in dceu kryptonians are weak to magic,wonderwoman couldnt even bring a crack to stepen wolf axe but she easily cut doomsday leg like slicing butter,ww sword is magically enchanted,superman can absorb vey few kinds of magic that too weak magic,thors magical life force almost killed galactus,asgaurdian magic is universal level , and odin used asguardian magic to defeat multiversal beings also,Supeman gest cuberstomped!
Thor There was a time when superman was immune to everything,literally everything,that is silver age superman ,but that one is rebooted,current new 52 sup or post crisis superman has many feats which proves he is too weak to magic!
not voted Superman who is weak to magic is Pre-Crisis, for the current version the author himself says that he is not weak to magic but can still be affected by magic like other characters.
Thor Silver age superman superman is not weak,dc just depowered characters after end of silver age for plot purposes,dc introduced him few weaknesses high frequencypitch, powerful magic(not ordinary).He may immune to some weak kinds of magic but he is weak to powerful magic.U may argue ,then how could he killed gods ?? Answer is simple,all the gods he defeated is not himself alone,he got his team,and additional weopons temlararily(ex: an encharted sword which absorbs sunlight sword),the main weopon he has is so called "PLOT DEVICE",but that doesn't work when he battles with another plot device carrier,
Thor yeah,i agree he is not weak to that extent to which kryptonite,like he couldnt even breathe in a room containing kryptonite, but he is surely weak,no matter to what extent fanbois defend there hero.
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6. PC Superman v Atlas. Superman 678 & 679 (2008)
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9. Rebirth Superman. Wrecked By Enchantress. Justice League vs Suicide Squad 2 (2017
Thor if u stilk think superman is not weak to magic,then black adam almost killed superman with his magical lightning, i already mentioned thor the god of thunder whose lightning is magical and godblast is to another level it is even thors lifeforce,superman could turn into ashes!
In an animated show "justice league unlimited" ,shazam mentions "you know you've never been any good against magic and magic what i am all about!"when fightning with superman,same shazam knocked out by batmans missile.All this things are PLOT things!In other fights where superman won against magical enemies due to just plot armour!
I dont know why nobody enquires and cares about all these things,they simply state superman is not weak to magic and they try to defend him!
Thor Yeah,sometimes plot needs him to win! But not all the time,majority of the times he got beaten up with magic,u should take consideration of the antifeats which i have mentioned!ok according to u superman is not weak to magic but one thing is sure that superman is enough vulnerable to magic,he himself once stated with phantom stranger that âmy powers doesnt work with magicâ.And his speed factor didnt work well enough with solomun granyd(technically a magical based enemy),enchantress,and others.
Thor Upon this point,Thor has great advantage here.Both superman and thor are equally durable accoriding to there feats,both tanked universal level attacks, massive explosions,supernova explosions,blackholes,âŚ.many more,âŚ.But thor is extra resistent to magic! Evn lokiâs magic doesnât work with thor,loki needed his magic at full potential and with powers of surtur who is at odinlevel could barely work on thor! So thor is more durable than superman if u take consideration of my point.And thor can easily hurt superman with his magic, i have already mentioned that superman is not weak to magic to extent of kryptonium but is more vulnerable to superman than others.Superman can able to defeat shazam majority or times because ,first of all PLOT freind,PLOT!,and secondly shazam has power of gods but not all the magic of gods and same in the case of black adam also,only there lightning is magical not there strentgh,and shazam is not more stronger than superman and shazam dont even have enough feats that could match superman or thor, but in the case of thor,thor is alot stronger than shazam(according to feats) , and thors additional strentgh mjolnir which is an enchanted weopon could even hurt superman more.Thor has odin force or thor force which at full potential is at multiversal level!And shazams lightning is limited,it is not that level to what thor usesâŚThor can even hurt ego the living planet which a celestial level being with his lightning , and there is no limit to thors lightning, and thor once stated that ââAll the lighting in all the worlds in universe flows in my veinsâ.
Thor brucewayne123,how is superman winning.Didnt thor defeat the "glory and the patheon of 10000 gods"??didnt he defeat mephisto in his dimension who accoring to living tribunal a multiversal threat,didnt he defeat dark winter with godblast,didnr he almost killed galactus,??đ
not voted Unfortunately it's a popularity contest vote..all the movies and stuff..I mean Thor is extremely powerful I give that to him but Superman is on another level..as far as strength, durability and speed...I also think he's alittle more intelligent than Thor as far as combat , Thor probably has that on SUPERMAN..I don't think alot of people know what Superman can do and his feats etc..
Thor unfortunately u 2 guys dont know about feats of thor in comics.If u know them u must have known that both superman and thor has equal feats,durability, strength, speed.Even Stan lee said that he created thor as rival to superman and he also said that "someone who is stronger than hulk cant be human,so i created a god "thor" who has is comparable to superman".The thing was u fanbois cant bere the fact that thor has majority of votes.All of them known thor has magical advantage over superman.
Thor I know superman is resistant to Lightning but Thorâs lightning is mythical, magical and godly so superman is definitely not immune to godly and magical attacks.
Thor Only only way Superman can win if he puts Thor in space for ages (because Thor can survive in space without breathing for a very long time) but Superman canât restrain in space Thor because Thor is a lot stronger and more powerful. Also Thor has way better combat and fighting skills. Finally if you say superman is faster. Do you know how fast Thor is when he takes off with Mjolnir so speed is about equal.
Thor no bro..mjonir speed can reache to infinte speed ...mjolnir can travel whole f**g unuverse in just in 1min...superman fastest feat also dont reach that!mjolnir is10billion times faster than superman..but these fanbois dont agreeđ
Thor Chijb . Bro Superman highest speed feat is traveleing through whole dc universe in 60days!!! Recently in thor 2020 issue mjolnir travelled 10 unvierses!!!and returend to king thor in 1min!!! This is possible cause mjolnir is a magically enchanted âthingâ and magic has no speed limit.But supermans speed depends on himself and he have to keep effort on it and it is impossible of flying into infinite speed on his own speed.By the way i am not fanboy iam just sharing my opinion.Mjolnir transcends 3d time.First enquire on it and then u reply simply dont push me into uselss âfanboiiâcategory
Thor ArdaX000991 is a lier!Go nd check official marvel website, there it is mentioned as"Ulik was defeated by Thor in what would be the first of countless defeats at the hands of the Odinson."!lol fanboys these days are horrible!
Superman Ulik has defeated Thor many times before (I noticed when I started reading the Thor comic book series again) and Superman>>Kalibak>>>Ulik. What do you say to that? @Tyrannus@Savage or anyone else who voted for Thor. (I'm not insulting, I'm just curious about your opinion)
Thor and also silver surfer can drain supermans energy and defeats him.But ss cannot do this with thor because mjolnir itself can drain cosmic power from silver surfer and thor defeated ss 3 times in comics.So technically thor slaps supermanâŚsorry to say
Superman And the reason the SS defeated Superman is because he was able to steal Superman's energy. He can't do the same to Thor because Thor can survive without energy. What you're saying Looks like this: with Kryptonite, Batman defeats Superman, then he can also defeat GL or Wonder Woman or The Flash.It's Superman's weakness that he's tied to the sun. And Unlike SS, Thor it is not capable of stealing energy.
Thor Bro mjolnir can absorb energy fields,force fields, and any type of enregy and mjolnir also have transmutation ability.Yes he is capable of stealing enrgy
Thor Because mjolnir can steal opponents energy and can anle project back to them with 5 times amplified.Thor defeated glory 10000 gods by pulling or stealing or absorbing his energy with mjolnir and he projected that huge beam enrgy towards glory...Mjolnir increased the power of 10000 gods by 5times and projected it back.Hence glory defeated.Thor couldn't have won that intence battle without this ability. Can ur sup have any chance against glory who have equal strength and power of thor.But superman lacks versatility in powers and vast range of powers thor own.Supeman stuff like speed blitzing or even solar flare wouldnt have work out there.
Thor And supermans speed factor is also useless infront thor.Because thor himself speed blitzed and defeated silver surfer who couldn't even catch thor.and ss can even move in 0.1nano seconds.And hyperion also couldn't even beat thor with his speed blitz .Thor also won against glasiator who is another speedstar of marvel.So thor wins
Superman Also, the speed factor definitely works. The SS can only move at the speed of light. Thor is 2 times faster than light. But Superman is 50000000 times faster. There's a 25000000-fold difference between them. Also, their speed in the atmosphere is different. Thor is slower in the atmosphere.
Thor both silver surfer and thor are far times faster than light go nd enquire there feats u know supermans feats so u simply mentions 500000...(as of ur wish).How can u simply decide thor is only 2times faster than light???Thor can react in more than1000mach in comics.But often he dont show up his speed when fighting with mortals (like spiderman,wolverine,captain america.etc).But when comes to beings of his level like Hyperion, gladiator, sentey,silver surfer..etc,they cant even blitz and reach thor ,thors reaction speed is that fast.Thor can react to speed of thought which accoring to marvel comics is 100trillion times speeder than light.Thor is not slower in earths atmosphere he faster everywhere.Gods dont have speed limits.And thor is able to react and defeat and aslo proven to be faster than quicksikver, makkari(fastest eternal).
Thor yeah i agree superman is faster than thor.And his speed in his full potential is fartimes faster than thors combat speed.But i am sure he dont use his speed in full potential only at the beginning of battle.The thing is superman has more speed feats and proven to be a speedstar superhero.But few writers of thor forgot about thors speed and not utilized his ability well.We cant decide who is faster cause stan lee himself said he created thor as rival to superman in both strength and speed.Think logically, if superman attacks thor he dont attack in his full speed potential, thor can easily defend himself and quickly attacks superman easily.Superman also may react to thor and counter.Speed is not any advantage to superman in my opinion.Thor has odin force,access to bifrost, can create dimensionalportals, can transmuatate metals(he may create kryptonite),weather manuplation,super hearing,hurrican breathe,and many more these extra versatility in powers gives thor a great edge
Thor batman almost killed superman but he cant touch thor cause thor dont have any weaknessđ .What do u say about this.
Shazam also almost killed superman but thor defeated shazam once and Thor defeated doomsaday also,doomsaday wooped superman ass many times
Thor almost killed galactus with godblast but superman cant even bring a scratch to doomsday with his most powerful attack solar flare
And at the end i say ulik>>>superman!Can u say superman can beat ulik???cause u dont have any proofđ¤Ł.
Remember one thing thor can teleport superman to a place where yellow sun is not in range...so technically superman dont stand a chance against thor
Thor I'm really on the edge when it comes to this battle. I might just change my vote to neutral because this seems very equal. Only reason why I voted Thor is because he has the magic advantage
Thor Tyrannus, bro go and check about ulik in official marvel website,there it is clearly mentioned that thor defeated ulik manhtimes, what is wrong with you??!!! U seem to an imposter.Superman didnt have single advantage, speed- thor handled speedstrs(i mean superman is still very faster than them if he uses speed in his full potential) , i am sure thor would stomp superman before maxes his speed cause thor very very fast,in comics,his reflexes are 10million times fatser than humans so thor can easily catch him,if goes strength,power thor and superman both have equal feats but mjolnir gives thor an edge,mjolnir has unlimited strength and power,no being cant stop it(even galactus,phoenix,celestials)which are more than cosmic beings!!!So think about it! And odin force is on different level
Superman Superman has insane feats that scale him way higher than thor, he has litteraly broken the source wall, and held up the heavens, strength goes to him. He also speed blitzed the flash, and he goes many, many times faster then light, speed also goes to Superman. I'd say he also wins in Intelligence and Durability
Neutral This battle is very close because the man of steel is amazing but so is the sun of odin. But superman has weaknesses unlike thor and one of supes weaknesses are magic so that gives thor the edge over him.
Superman THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. It happened in a crossover event and Superman beat him with one blast of heat vision. I am also a fan of marvel and even I say Superman takes this.
Thor That croosover is noncanon and the writers are biased towards superman beacuse thor is not much popular at thr time.If are a true thor fan,u should know how strong and powerful thor is.
Evn i can say i am a superman fanboi but i honestly believe thor wins,nobody cares thos type of sh..t..
Thor Thor has more combat experience, doesnât have a physical weakness like Superman, and doesnât need the sun to have powers..Thor is Thor everywhere, Superman is only Superman within range of a yellow sun. Superman can also be affected by magic. If you say Superman is way more powerful, you donât know Thor well enough. Heâs basically Marvelâs Superman, yes there are characters that seem more similar like Hyperion and Sentry, but Thor was created to rival the Hulk in strength. Thor has beaten Silver Surfer multiple times and Silver Surfer can beat Superman.
Superman Fight can go either way. Superman is leagues faster than Thor and he's more intelligent. Superman would definitely stomp Thor if he was sun-dipped right away. He can destroy Darkseid when he's sun-dipped. As long as there's a sun, I believe Superman could pull off the victory because it's his most greatest weapon. If Thor destroys the Sun. I believe this would make him unworthy. Why? It's because Thor would be killing quadrillions of Humans and this would make him unworthy to use the Hammer. I believe without the sun he would be at least frozen or numb not being able to move and Superman is as well. Though Thor wouldn't do this. I mean it can go either way just like I said.
Thor Thor is more intelligent as Donald Blake he created an A.I with an i.q. of 300, since Thor is 1000s of years old or even older all if this has added to his experience.
Superman@ArdaX000991 Superman's only real advantage is speed, and Thor is generally more powerful, so why would Clark win? Speed wouldn't make much difference
Superman@Savage Speed makes a big difference. Superman can fly too fast for Thor to not see. And even if thor does hurt him, Superman can go to the sun in 2 seconds and heal his wound.
Superman@UltraInstinctMarvelMasterX To use Thor Godblast, he has to aim his hammer somewhere and turn it for almost half a minute. By that time, Superman will have already toured the world 5 times.
Superman The godblast is an ability Thor's used like five times in his entire comics history. People act like he'd just use it in any fight. Plus, it tires him out afterwards.
Thor I mean superman could dodge stormbreaker/mjolnir and he can easily pluck Thorâs head off and donât say Thor wins cuz he is a god cuz that is not true.
Thor Thor wins because he has the god blast which has destroyed the likes of Galactus and let me remind you his herald can move way faster than superman
Thor He may dodge mjolnir a few times but not all the time. Mjolnir's been able to move from Asgard, past several realms, to earth within a few seconds. Even the Silver Surfer struggled to keep up with it
Thor Bro it doesn't matter if superman can throw him into the sun. If you had all the information, you would know that Thor has had an entire conversation in the sun. Thor wins but it isn't an easy battle
Thor Iâm joking mate I know Thor can survive greater attacks than the sun like other bigger and hotter stars and attacks from cosmic entities like Galactus and stuff.
Superman Superman how tf is thor winning?
Superman is stronger, smarter, faster, and more powerful than thor
Thor is more durable and better in combat
Before y'all say supes is weak to magic, just remember that he isn't WEAK to it, he just doesn't have a special defense against it, and yes I know about the shazam comic it's just that superman has bested more magical foes in the past so he shouldn't have any problem against thor, and thor's "magic" is lightning, and if you read superman's powers he has "electricity resistance" so thor wouldn't do very much to superman.
Superman Superman has lifted planets, thor has destroyed one. Superman has more than thor in powers, such as heat vision, x-ray vision, faster than him, freeze breath, strong wind breath (I think that's what it's called)
Superman Thor has pushed the world engine, lifted the world serpent, and closed a universal divergence with a punch. Destroying planets is more impressive than simply moving them. He's moved a neutron star, and on another occasion 20 planets. He once molded uru with his finger without even realizing it was uru! He just thought it was stone and didn't even notice! Thor doesn't know his own strength.
Thor You put it in hyphens as if you were being sarcastic. And yes Superman is weak to magic. Just because he's survived weaker magic before doesn't make him immune to all magic.
Superman I was not being sarcastic, why do you think magic is superman's weakness, sure he doesn't have any special defense against it, but isn't any defenseless than other human beings to magic, his weakness is kryptonite
Thor Magic is Superman's weakness because its been stated to be his weakness several times and it bahaves like a weakness would.
Kryptonite can also cause cancer to humans when exposed to humans long term. That's doesn't suddenly stop it from being a weakness to Superman.
Superman I agree on all points, except my conclusion is that Thor would win. Intelligence won't make a huge difference in this fight, and strength is virtually tied. How is speed more important than durability, combat, and power?
Superman@Savage I am not sure. I think it's because Superman won by a wide margin at speed. But if superman hadn't been so fast, thor would have crushed him. A very close battle. I changed my mind 10 times during this war.
Superman Is there really that large a margin is speed? I would say there's more of a difference in general power than in speed. I've also changed my opinion on this multiple times.
Thor Strength: Thor. Thor's pushed the world engine which connects the 9 realms which each contain infinite universes. Yeah no question in the strength department
Superman@NorrinRadd Thor can't have kryptonite because there's no prep time. Also, superman is very fast and can find him, even if the yellow sun is not in the environment where they will fight.
Thor The "Superman is faster" argument is countered by the fact that mjonir trancends time.
Thor's reaction speed isn't that much slower to make a difference
Superman@Tyrannus
Superman's speed in space: 50.000 times the speed of light.
Thor's speed in space: 2 times the speed of light.
Superman's speed in atmosphere: 340km/sec
Thor's speed in atmosphere: 1,5km/sec
as for the speed of the mind. That's a little closer. But still, superman is faster. I'm not say Thor slow, it's just that superman is so fast that he can travel through time like flash and even the prime one million version's speed can bend reality.
Thor Thor very rarely gets speed blitzed. The Silver Surfer is arguably the fastest being in Marvel and Thor's consistently matches his speed.
And even if we go to the extreme and assume Superman's speed dwarf's SS's, time as we know it means little to the god of thunder.
Superman@Chijb the silver surfer is certainly not as fast as superman. Superman has caught up with flash, whose speed in space is 127,000,000 times faster than the speed of light.
Thor@MoNsTeR tell this gig silver surfer is faster than superman. Look at this @ArdaX00099q https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiVgu2ezL3xAhULY8AKHR0oClUQFjABegQICRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysuperheroes.com%2Fcomics%2Fcomic-news%2F5-comic-book-characters-who-are-faster-than-superman%2F&usg=AOvVaw0WNY55gdOPNhAqTQ3DHv14
Superman There are some reasons Superman will win
This normal version of Thor is not a heavy magician
Thor cannot just erase him
Thor can knock him not kill him
Superman That's actually my favorite thing about Thor. he's powerful, but almost all of his enemies are much more powerful than he is (Yimir, Surtur, Mangog, Destroyer, ect.). This is pretty unique to Thor, since usually heroes have rouge galleries that are all weaker than them.
Superman Superman lifted atlantis and the huge Islands. And Thor was crushed under a rock that the Hulk threw at him. (I cant send JPG) Thor is only hurt superman with a Mjonir
Thor@ArdaX000991@Savage Thor broke out of chains that held thousands of gods including a god that wrestled black holes for fun. He broke free of the weight of a neutron star, lifted 20 planets, stalemated both Hulk and Hercules in strength, and Pushed the world engine which is a multiversal strength feat. So no supes ain't stronger.
Superman@ThorMathews I've never seen the original Thor wrestle a black hole. He would only be with Odinforce, or a few cycles before. Can you send JPG. note: Superman can also survive a black hole, Silver Surfer can survive, maybe even Ironman can. That doesn't make Thor particularly strong.
Neutral I donât know why people keep debating, this fight could go either way since they are from different universes, and both have their strong sides. This is just a question about do you prefer Marvel or DC.
Superman Yeah, I saw you and SirSpidey try to tear each other apart. Your main point seems to be that superman is faster, but
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
Superman Superman just edges him out in most categories besides experience, combat skill, and the fact Mjolnir is enchanted. But besides that, Kal is stronger, faster, more durable, and much smarter. However, the only category with a significant difference is speed and intelligence, both of which Superman is better at.
Superman Thor has strength feats to match clark. Can you prove he's more durable?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
not voted Superman too durable,way way toouch stronger and faster than Thor..Thor is crazy powerful,but no match for the DC hero who is on a whole another level
Thor I really want to vote superman, but this is original superman who hasn't improved so much. So basically, he is still vulnerable to magic. That is a big disadvantage for superman. He might probably lose against thor.
Thor I would defentitly say Superman is the more powerful hero but Thor takes this because of Superman's weakness's to red solar energy and magic both of which Thor can manipulate
Thor I honestly am not sure. Superman could pick up the hammer for sure so if Thor ever threw it he wouldn't get it back. Also, since mjolner is actually able to be destroyed superman might be strong enough to destroy it. If he could neutralize mjolner Superman will definitely win. If he cannot Thor might. As the lightning from mjolner is magical this means that it could hurt Superman on a greater level, kind of like Shazam. Shazam has beaten Superman before. That being said, Thor himself is nowhere near as strong as Superman or Shazam, but with the hammer under his control, I would say he has a fair shot at winning. I am going to assume this for the sake of the fight so that each is at their best and say that Thor sadly wins.
Thor Superman CANNOT pickup MjĂślnir, he isn't a warrior and isn't a killer. He picked it up in the crossover because Odin let him. He later couldn't pick it up. Superman could no way break MjĂślnir. Thor isn't as strong? Thor has Stalemated, Hulk and Hercules, lifted the Midgard Serpent, broke free from the weight of a neutron star, broke free from chains that held thousands of gods including a god that wrestled black holes for fun. Thor also has pushed the world engine which is a multiversal strength feat. Thor is at least on par with Superman in strength and I'd argue Thor is actually stronger.
Thor I was saying he could pick up Mjolner based on his character alone, not the crossover. If Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, Vision, etc. are "worthy" Superman, the embodiment of virtue, would most definitely be able to as well. Also, if characters like Hela are able to destroy it, so would Superman. And as far as strength. Superman is capable of literally destroying the universe and recreating it. He picked up an infinite mass (black holes aren't even infinite). And Hercules and Hulk are weaker than Superman. Also Superman BLEW a giant star to move it. He also, as a teen, threw a neutron star to anther galaxy. He also survived a black hole. Yeah, so while your arguments are very astounding, they still do not prove otherwise to my points.
Thor Its because of his character that he can't lift the hammer because as @ThorMathews said he isn't a warrior or killer. Also I think your getting the movies confused for the comics because Vision and CA aren't fully worthy either. Being worthy doesn't mean pure of heart otherwise Spider-Man should be able to lift it too.
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
Thor And how does "warrior" make you "worthy"? At that point it sounds more like a plot device to pick and choose who picks it up. And the entire purpose of the hammer was not just war but also creation. Superman can defeat his foes without killing them because he is incredibly strong willed. The fact that someone with such strength is capable of NOT hurting someone is incredible. What struggles has Thor gone through that Superman has not had something equal to prove himself? And I was just mentioning characters who have at one point or another picked up the hammer. You say "dropped" which means he did in fact lift it, even for a split second. And as far as destroying the universe he can as his punches against Superboy prime were ripping holes in reality. And he can reverse time (has before), therefore "recreating" it. No he is not god. But he is undeniably the embodiment of what societies deem a "hero". Just take a look at his name... His costume is the icon for costumes... He is THE hero. He is the only hero that is a household name. An idiom even. I think that to suggest that anyone is greater than Superman is not true. Yes he is not the fastest, yes he is not the strongest, yes, he has even died... but he always wins, he always meets the mark, he even resurrects because society chose him as the symbol of heroism. That is my reasoning. If I am wrong please inform me.
Thor@EmptyHand Never mind buddy but I am disagreeing with you. Saying superman only wins because if his story of superman power is actually wrong. In marvel every gods including thor are living stories and metaphor , even if omniverse destroys but still marvel's stories will not gonna end, and thor is one of the stories those stories. And omniverse is defined as this ,
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god , so thus, thor is a jung carl archetype characters and jung carl archetype characters are universal ,,so thor should win this fight.
Superman Can you all stop taking my words as me saying that superman only wins because of the story? Supermans story is far beyond anything marvel story except the hoi stories, I have actual reasons for why superman wins here, not just because of that
Thor@EmptyHand You are accepting house of ideas is above Story of superman but house of ideas is where stories of marvel are born and house of ideas also contains the story (books) of thor
Superman No offense but your arguments for who wins is going by whos stories have a higher existence, ofc all the stories of the heroes in marvel are contained in the house of ideas, but do you HONESTLY think base thor scales to that? no in fact, he literally is just inside those stories so that argument is completely invalid, and btw, the story of superman would be beyond any story in marvel that is not contained in the HOI because for 1, the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, the overvoid contains beings like the presence & lucifer Morningstar inside of it and they are limited to it, meaning the story of superman has a higher existence than those beings, but then again the only reason i brought up the story of superman is because some people are like "Thor wins becuz god blast gg" and superman having the story back him up is basically the same thing as thors god blast, so i brought it up, but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Well i just did it to give a back up to thor. I never said base thor scales to HOI. You said story of superman is below hoi and that's why I said thor is one of the stories in HOI. By the way I am disagreeing with your some points . "the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, " - I need the scan and name of the issue where it is stated SOS created overvoid and overvoid is defenceless infront of him.
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules and hercules was able to hold the door of house of ideas , and writer already explained why hercules is was able to do that , so story of hercules=Thor
Superman@Tahsin Give me some time to get the one where it basically created the overvoid, but i can give you these scans for now
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
Thor@EmptyHand 1. I almost agree with your all scans except this. , I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu,
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed, if this is not enough then I have another argument. That is in comics at many places thor had used his mjolnir as for teleportation. For example in thor blood oath he used mjolnir for teleportation ,, and I don't think superman can match thor's speed if he teleportes himself to another place.
Superman 1. "Monitor has zero defenses" is in reference to the overvoid if you remember the previous scan
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
Superman "I don't know where you guys found the oword overvoid. Even oblivion also showed this scan to me. Here it is stated," Monitors has no defences" not overvoid. And in justice league issue 27 it was stated that those monitors are aspects of mar novu"
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Ok.
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands, and thor already had a great disadvantage on that fight. Thor became injured when he was trying to take the cosmic seed from the Yggdrasil. Also it was not looking like silver surfer was doing hold back. Why would he hold back? He is the herald of galactus and at that time galactus came to earth to consume it. So I don't see any reason for which we can consider silver surfer was doing hold back.
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.,
6. , so at some points flash should be faster than supes
Superman 1. Thor can't kill superman lol, also Zeus vs Superman literally happened in injustice which is completely non canon, the story of superman only works for the main superman that we all know, so bringing that up doesn't mean anything, also you have not given any proof of why thor can "kill superman"
2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power đż, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thor has teleportation ability and thor can teleport superman to a place where is no sun. Even batman also told that if he removes the sun then superman will gonna die , and like that way thor can beat superman . Also superman says this , and thor says this ,
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second , also silver surfer can also travel to hyperspace , and I think you didn't get me. I showed that scan just proof thor is not slow. In speed both superman and thor should be equal or atleast thor should be near to superman in speed. But your sentence was indirectly saying "thor's speed is not even close superman ". And thor was also doing hold back in that race. Thor also everytime holds back.
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
Superman 1. If you think superman being in an existence where there is no sun will kill him you're completely forgetting the superman where is thy sting story.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. When world forger trapped superman in a galaxy superman was literally dying., superman only survived because batman literally gave chance to superman and he didn't remove suns so that superman will not die. Otherwise superman would have died. So I don't know which type of hax of superman you were talking about but still I want the name of the comic where superman defeated death. Also thor many times went toe to toe with hela who is the queen of death. Even thor defeated mephisto in his dimension two times ,,, and mephist was stated to be the threat for the balance of the multiverse , Btw that was a small dead moon of saturn , also if you wanna say something then go and say that to the writer of that comic not me. By the way thor exists in asgard and asgard is beyond space and time and exists beyond dimensional seas. So thor is also beyond space and time ,,,,,"superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before,"- Thor itself is multiversal. Thor's divinity transcends dimensions ,
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force , so I will really like to see hear your explanation that why and how will superman deal with mother storm. Also i never said base thor is equal to HOI.
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input, so that means thor even didn't use mjolnir at it's full potential.
Thor@EmptyHand "also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling"- By feats superman is actually universal or multiversal and I accept that. But don't forget it is fiction. Everything can happen in fiction. For example: lord chaos and master order are weaker than living tribunal but in Ultimates 2 they defeated Living tribunal, source wall was capable of locking super celestial like perpetua but still justice league broke source wall. While in power level justice league are not even close to perpetua. Also don't take that seriously.
Superman 1. @Tahsin world forger trapped superman in the 6th dimension, which is a different story, plus that's not to say that superman can't just come back himself going by the scans I've sent earlier, also I already said the name of the superman story, it's "superman where is thy sting", also the stakes were higher In the story I showed so it makes sense that superman would do such a thing as just hax his way back. Also he was able to clash with mephisto because of strength but in raw power we see in the first scan mephisto admits that he was stronger than him already, plus that's not to say superman couldn't do the same to mephisto since he's done the same with other powerful threats.
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Thanks for tellling the name.By the way every villains tells that they are stronger than the opponents which is false. Here thor defeats mephisto again,,, also I know that the thor that exists in asgard is true form thor. But even his avatars can also circumvent time ,
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him., , , and if still this is not enough then problem. I have another point. Jane foster needed mother storm to violate phoenix while thor even without god blast or mother storm violated phoenix , ,,, , ^^ In the first fight thor violated badly. And in the second one I know phoenix defeated thor after that but if you look properly than you will find one point that thor actually defeated phoenix. Phoenix became so much helpless that she needed to absorb a planet's energy to restore his power while thor was already used much of his stremgth fight phoenix. So honestly, if phoenix didn't absorb the planet then she would have lost to thor.
3. This is thor's speed combat , so how will superman blitz thor?
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost , even if thor holds back he can go toe to toe with sentry ,
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden , o living tribunal indirectly told that no one has ever seen his true form. So that was just a aspect of living tribunal. Btw superflow is where the most powerful aspect of Lt and true form of lord chaos and master order exists. By the way while fighting with the dark multiverse justice league broke source wall
Thor Yes, I just love Superman and all of his basic level powers. He is the most powerful superhero in existence. He beats Thor because he is Superman.
Superman âBasic level powersâ lmao. Nobody would actually use that as an argument. By the way, those âcute little laser beamsâ can vaporize entire planets and ships that destroy universes. Oh, and melt your brain.
Thor I mean, they ARE basic. They are child's play compared to what Thor can do. Lmao, so Superman's laser vision is Planetary in power, can burn through some metal (I'm assuming), and melt fodder beings brains. That's cute.
Superman âChildâs playâ lmao. Nah, Superman disintegrated Doomsdayâs brain, and if he can do it to a monster who adapts to any threat, he can do it to Thor. He has hundreds of other abilities Thor would have no chance against.
Superman Superhuman 5 senses, microscopic vision, telescopic vision, vibration cancellation, vibrational song, x ray vision, phasing, infinite mass punch, resistance to mind control and reality warping, invulnerability, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, can manipulate electricity, regeneration, astral projection, pressure points, air manipulation, can thunderclap, can manipulate radiation and energy, can see someoneâs soul and interact with it, genius level intellect with photographic memory, space-time manipulation, after images, illusions, and the super flare. Many more to lose but this was getting long.
Superman I beg to differ. Imp certainly would. The super flare destroyed an entire pocket universe. It KOâd a being who absorbs energy. It would be an instant winner. His phasing would let him walk through all of Thorâs attacks and phase through him to pull out organs. On top of that he could lobotomize Thor just like he did to Doomsday and erase his brain. Also, he could simply cancel out his vibrations to remove him from existence.
Thor@Mr_Incognito: In which comic did Superman disintegrate Doomsday's brain with his laser vision? Regardless, Thor is much more resistant to injury than Doomsday. He has resisted back to back to back blasts from beings as powerful as Celestials. So, if Superman isn't as powerful as three Celestials, I find it counter productive to claim Superman can hurt Thor in any shape or form. As for Superman's powers, superhuman senses, microscopic vision, x ray vision, telescopic vision, resistance to mind control and reality warping, non-physical interaction, resistance to matter and gravity manipulation, regeneration, astral projection, seeing and interacting with someoneâs soul, genius level intellect with photographic memory, invulnerability, after images, and illusions can't hurt Thor. I have no idea what vibration cancellation and vibrational song are. Thor can hit intangible beings, so phasing is pointless. The Infinite Mass Punch is weak. In which comic does Superman manipulate electricity and to what extent? Pressure points. That's cute. In which comic did Superman manipulate the air and to what extent? Thunderclap. Probably weak considering it is coming from Superman. Radiation and energy manipulate. When and to what extent? In which comic did Superman manipulate space and time? The super flare. Weak. Anymore?
Superman Wow, very poor indeed. The infinite mass punch is apparently weak, yet it hits with the force of a white dwarf star and breaks planets like glass. The super flare is more powerful than anything Thor has. It is the equivalent of every single cell in Supermanâs body going supernova. The body contains 37.2 trillion cells, and the average supernova hits with 10 octillion megatons of force. That means the super flare would deliver 3.72 duodecillion megatons of force, or 37.2 trillion supernovas to Thor. Thatâs not weak. That would kill Thor instantly. That is 3720000000000000000000000000000000000000000 megatons of force. There are 125 billion galaxies in the universe, meaning that the super flare has the energy equivalent to destroy 298 universes. Itâs a multiversal busting move. So yeah, not weak. Stuff like âthatâs cuteâ and âprobably weak coming from Supermanâ honestly just work against you, because you just look petty and immature. On the celestial page, Superman has taken attacks that even Mr. Mxy couldnât handle and beaten the crap out of imperiex, who eats galaxies and is powered by the Big Bang. So unless Thor is as powerful as a 5th dimensional imp, he could not hurt Superman.
Superman Itâs more than that, I was pointing out how easily it can do that. And for the super flare youâre wrong.
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars. So yeah, it would destroy Thor instantly.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxyâs powers.
Thor Okay? Still doesn't change the fact that you only proved the Infinite Mass Punch is Planetary in power. Lmao, you are STILL being dishonest. Not only does that scan say "miniature supernovas", but also, the Earth obviously still exists, so the Super Flare is not even Planetary in power. Lol. I'm telling you, Superman is one of the weakest, most basic characters ever. Find someone better. And you act as though Thor can't survive Universal level attacks. Thor can survive Universal level attacks threefold and act like nothing happened. So once Superman exerts his most powerful attack on Thor, and turns into a human essentially, Thor would just smack him to death. Too easy. As for Superman getting flicked by Emperor Joker, Emperor Joker was obviously just toying with Superman. He wasn't trying to kill him, so it is safe to conclude that using Emperor Joker flicking Superman as a means to prove Superman can survive attacks from Mr. Mxy is not valid, nor logical in any way. Plus, it is debatable weather Emperor Joker is even canon or not.
Superman He wasnât on earth in that scan. And yes, miniature referencing cells. My point still stands. Considering Superman destroyed an entire multiverse with a single punch, he isnât very weak. âAct like nothing happenedâ lol. When he took those celestial blasts his clothes were torn and he was exhausted. Emperor joker literally clocked him across the solar system and he was just fine. Plus Mxy himself tried to erase Superman and was unable to.
Thor Regardless, Earth still exists, so your claim that the Super Flare is a Multiversal level attack makes absolutely no sense and is invalid. Just admit it, the Super Flare won't do anything to Thor. Lol, in which comic did Superman destroy a Multiverse with a punch? Your clothes being torn doesn't determine if you are tired or not. That makes no sense. And Thor was, literally, immediately ready to fight again. He literally acted like nothing happened. And just quit using the Emperor Joker stuff. It is obvious Emperor Joker wasn't trying. It is absurd to use that as evidence for Superman's durability. Now, are there any other abilities that Superman has that you think Superman can use to defeat Thor with? If not, just admit it, Superman cannot harm Thor in any way, shape, or form. It's too easy.
Neutral I think if screw attack made Supes fight Thor I am afraid that their bias research made Thor lose to Supes like Thor lost to Wonder Woman in death battle and Thor should have won against Wonder Woman in that fight.Thor,Goku,Ben 10,Hulk,Thanos is underrated,overrated,underestimated and nerf in screw attack death battle
Neutral Actually Thor is very powerful in his own right and Thor donât have actual physical weakness,Thor is god of thunder and mighty prince of the asgardian race also Thor can trade blows with Frost Giants(Jotunheim) for months,fight and stalemate the Hulk in hour,push the world engines,held 20 planets in one arm,lift the Midgard serpants,beat Silver Surfer and Knocked out the Phoenix force for a short amount of time with 1 hammer throw.Tank a celestial blast and crack a celestial skull, Knocked out The Sentry with a single strike after being bull-rushed by him, Caved in Death-Seed Sentryâs head with a single blow, Thor arm-wrestles Hercules to a draw, causing the area to collapse and shifting the planet out of orbit. Thor lightning hurt and stunned Amatsu-Mikaboshi which is an evil entity who had just wiped out 98.76% of the marvel multiverses. Knocked over Galactus with a physical strike after and while fighting Silver Surfer. Fights with Zeus for months without stopping
Neutral I think Asgardians is the most powerful race in the entire universes,Asgardian have more advanced technology and high equipment armory and combine with magic plus highly train and excellent combat strategy and techniques and fight and combat for peace thought millenias,Kryptonians also have advance technology as well and well trains soldiers while Kryptons is alien scientific planet they depend on the yellow suns way too much and Kryptons people pray to Rao which is Sun God of Kryptons mythology and Kryptonians also vulnerable to red suns,magics.Saiyans is a warrior barbaric race like to conquer planets but most them donât have enough s cells to transform into super saiyan and donât have enough pure hears to do the rituals of super saiyan gods,Amazon is basically female warrior race live in themyscira which is the home of the Amazons a land of female warrior that are hidden from the outside world. Nemekians(Piccolo),Martians(Martians Manhunters),Tamaran(DC Star Fire),...
Superman Will do. Busiek was the one who wrote the crossover and he is confirming its canon. https://mobile.twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/1202334028965150720
He says itâs not complicated and that itâs acknowledged by both companies as normal canon. Canât get much clearer than the writer himself confirming it.
Thor Interesting. Now that it appears that comic is canon, I'll need to read it for myself to get a better understanding.
Upon further analysis of 'JLA/Avengers Volume 1 #2' on Page #36, Superman supposedly bests Thor. But what is odd, on the very same page, Iron Man blasts Superman and Wonder Man follows up with a slug to the face, which knocks Superman out. That would mean, according to Kurt Busiek, Wonder Man/Iron Man > Superman > Thor. I don't know about you, but I don't agree with this at all, given that the comics paint a completely different picture, such as in 'The Avengers Volume 1 #9, Page #16' when Thor gets surprise sucker punched by Wonder Man and is completely unharmed. Also, when Thor literally godhandled Iron Man in I forget which comic. But you get the point. Unless you think Wonder Man and Iron Man are more powerful than Superman and Thor, which is an entirely different argument. So yeah, if anything, this was a poorly written comic that has illogical portrayals within the very same page of itself. The only reason Superman beat Thor was because of writer induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity. Not entirely sure which one. I guess you can use this comic as evidence of Superman being able to beat Thor, but I will say it is extremely poor evidence.
Superman Well, considering he just finished fighting Thor and was clearly tired, it makes sense. But you missed something important. Vision, Hercules, and She-Hulk all attacked him right after that too and that's what took him down. So in reality he was put in a 1v5 right after fighting Thor. And again, this was a tired Superman.
Thor Difficult to say, I think it depends on which version of Thor vs which vs of Superman, I mean, Rune King Thor could lol stomp most versions of superman, but not Superman Prime One Million who can also alter reality that would be a difficult fight for both sides mind you and I can't decide who would win, so I'm gonna go... Thor I think, mainly because I think if we put all versions of superman vs all versions of Thor in a hour length round Team fight at the end of the day I think that more Thors would be on their feet then Supermen, lame excuse I know, you will have to forgive me.
Neutral Last time I check Superman have many weakness like red sun,kryptonite,magic and high pitch frequency like Injustice storyline Black Canary scream very loud make Superman ears bleed because Supes also have super hearing ability
Thor Well their both equal in terms of strength and durability, superman main advantage is his speed his heat vision and freeze breath aren't going to do anything to thor. And with supermans speed thor has fought people who are roughly as fast as superman like sentry, hyperion and gladiator and people who are way faster like silver surfer and thor has beaten them on several occasions whilst thors advantage is mjolnir which gives thor a ton of abilities especially the anti force and the god blast. Thor also has more years of experience over superman and he is the better in combat. Plus thors powers are magical based which mean his attacks are going to be very effect since superman is not invulnerable to magic. Overall thor is more powerful, more experience, he is the better fighter and he is more tougher. Also this fight is pretty much like an alien vs a God. So my vote goes for Thor.
Neutral Bruh I just found it there are 3 Golden Superman in DC comics similar to 3 three Joker in Batman:Three jokers comics the first Golden Superman who is skinny Golden Superman in issue #4 Electric Warriors was written by Steve Orlando and
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
Neutral I remembered thatâs one time Superman lift Thor hammer and Captain America shield in JLA/Avengers from Marvel/DC comic book crossover was written by Kurt Busiek and the artist George PĂŠrez,wait a minute so JLA/Avengers limited comic book crossover was canon ?
Superman There both fast enough that a little speed difference makes a lot of difference. Plus, superman has much better strength feats. Thor is a wayyyy better character though
Thor Superman has better strength feats? Thor's midgard serpent feat is a 105 sextillion ton feat. He also lifted 20 planets with one arm which if you say that they were earth sized it's a 132 sextillion ton feat. He broke free of the weight of a neutron star which is a feat over 2 octillion tons, he stalemated Hulk for an hour who I'd say is stronger than Superman. He's stalemated Hercules who's lifted the heavens which is said to be infinite. Thor has also moved the world engine which is a universal level strength feat.
Thor@ThorMathews In fact, moving the world engine is a Multiversal feat, because that implied also moving the Yggdrasil itself (it's much more than only 10 universes/realms) plus Thor was weakened there and that makes this feat even more impressive.
Thor Thor keeps up with Sentry and Silver Surfer so I think he can keep up with Supes. Speed will help Supes in this fight but I don't think it will be a deciding factor.
Thor The downvotes speak for themselves.
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
Superman I think you underestimate the potential of Superman.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Thor Thor's feats are still comparable to Superman even when he isn't holding back.
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
Neutral In the CANON crossover Superman was bloodlusted and Thor was pissed but not going for the kill and Superman said he barely won. Also during the crossover in the fight we saw Thor who is mega pissed fighting both Superman and Martian Manhunter off for a
little bit.
Superman I checked some of the blank profiles that voted Thor and they are definitely alts. The NightMonkey account activity is basically only voting for Thor or a variation of Thor.
Superman@Mr_Incognito Bruh, people downvote because they disagree with him, that literally the whole point of the downvote system. Are you fr? No reason? What reason do YOU use for downvoting people, other than because you disagree with them?
Superman Yep, which proves my point about the bias. And I disagree, I think you should downvote someone if they insult or degrade someone else, not just because you disagree. If you disagree, say why. Thatâs the thing, I only downvote people if they are mean or go against the site rules.
Superman It isnât a matter of being informed. Being informed on a topic has nothing to do with downvoting someone. You can have greater knowledge of a character than me, but that doesnât mean you would automatically downvote me.
Thor But superman warthy for mjolnir so superman power+ Thor power vs Thor
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
Thor Superman isn't worthy of Mjolnir. He was given permission to use it but afterwards he couldn't. And TBH the writers only allowed him to use the hammer because they knew it'd be a cool look.
Thor Thor with a hammer would win obviously, but take it away and see what happens. Superman is super fast and strong which could help him win but he isn't a God. I still think Thor wins especially with the hammer and lightning. It's like 50/50 odds for me cause they are kind of the same when you take away the hammer.
Thor GTFO! Thor wins this 4/5 if anyone here is being honest!!! Thor is stronger, no mistake or fake power grabs here. Thor is more powerful: he has more powers and MORE versatility. Thor has access to greater power and strength #PERIOD!! despite superduds "possibly faster speed" which is arguable because Silver Surfer is MUCH faster than superduck and Thor beats him EVERYTIME they tussled! the speed advantage most dctards complain about is null and void since THOR is a better, more experienced fighter #FACT!! and I've yet to bring up the abilities of Mjolnir...#Thafuggouttaheahwiddatshit I just upped my rating to THOR FTW 5/5 since base Thor is already a casual planet buster and high Herald without any power ups or amped. ROFL!!!
Neutral Thatâs not really related to what me and @Ezio where talking about, I mean it is but this really wasnât the comments to respond too to say that.
Thor sup gets his power from the sun and he has no defense from magic which Thor can use he can get superman to the dark dimension and boom or he can just use magic Lol.
Thor well here is the thing superman gets his power from the sun and Thor knows magic but I thing he could use the bi frost to get him in to the dark dimension.
Neutral Thor takes 6/10 times I think this would be very hard for one to beat the other. I can see Superman beating Thor due to greater speed and strength but Thor has better striking feats(At least I think) and has the magical and tactical advantage
Thor@terminator1898 Hey there's no need for that that kind of language here. And for the record, yes he has gone up against those magical beings before. And he's lost.
Neutral@terminator tf why Jesus Christ do you get that rude because someone else has a different opinion than you, over a freaking debate about Superman vs Thor. Also @Tyrannus thank you very much I appreciate that.
Thor@Tyrannus
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
Superman Did you copied this from How cani sound more cringe:101 the book?
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei Yes, the same hammer which was wielded by iron man when the enchantment was not there.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
Thor@ArshiaShahlaei I wasn't even the one who called it a piece of metal, @Oblivion did. I actually defended mjolnir. You may have pinged the wrong person lol.
Thor That was a funny meme. I'm not defending the original point but mjolnir is more than just a piece of metal. Its one of the most powerful weapons in comics.
Thor And even if feats point slightly towards Superman (do they?) it won't matter because Superman could be more powerful than Thor (I doubt it) and still lose.
Thor@Mr_Incognito Thor is centuries older than Superman. He can never compare to Thor there.
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times. @Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
Superman@Taurus Superman will learn how he fights quickly and will predict his movements. @Tyrannus True, but thatâs experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Thor Experience is arguably better and Thor knows more than he lets on.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.
I say mid to high difficulty because, there are instances where I believe Superman speed blitzes Thor, but most cases that won’t happen. I think if the fight drags out for too long, Superman will eventually overpower Thor, but it’s not a stomp by any means.
Also Superman did not come out on top of Black Adam. This is a lie. In fact he's never beaten BA.
In regards to mjolnir and magic, yes I do believe those would give Thor an edge in some aspects, but I still don’t think it would necessarily give him the win. My reasoning is that magic is something that Superman is simply not invulnerable to, but not exactly a weakness as people think.
Obviously, some magic can harm him, but magic can do so to pretty much anyone else to. It’s not a “weakness” per say. Unless it’s properties are, say, damage oriented, I don’t think magic and magic weapons would hurt Superman.
Now, I may be wrong about this so please feel free to correct me, Mjolnir’s enchantment enhances its wielder and grants them the powers of Thor. With that in mind, I don’t think it’s magic properties would come into play against Superman other than enhancing Thor and slightly evening the stats.
Unless of course, I’m forgetting something, again please correct me if I’m wrong.
And superman agility iq stamina >
Thor abilities power and MAGIC they make Thor win but not easily, superman sometimes even against magic divinity resist and some times won
that one is a pre-crisis https://www.superherodb.com/superman/10-16368/
This one. Sorry if you have to copy & paste the link BTW. My computer won't let me upload the image
Ur not the one to decide who is "much faster" than whom,U r acting like Thor is a slow brick and struggles against characters like Superman who r soo fast,but in reality Thor casually blitzes beings who makes Superman look like a snail (Silversurfer).Characters like Captain Marvel,Soloman Grundy,Green Latern,Wonderwoman,damage,etc had already been fought Superman and statlemated him.They r as fast as Thor,some are even slower,so this "Speed" arguement is actually invalid here,unless u bring some random low end speed feats from disrespect threads of Thor. Then, again i came bring some lowend durability feats of Superman,infact there are "many" of those.
Thor can also manuplate winds or can summon a powerful cyclone/storm around him like "wind of 1000 worlds" which cancels Supermans's speed.He can create forcefields to avoid blitzes.
@Siddu Calm down and do not respond badly to others.
@CapnLincoln thanks for the scan. What crossover is it?
616 Thor har already beat quicksilver and even stated that he has defeated faster enemies than quicksilver.When did i respond badly to others??
And also Superman's has no way of disarming Thor anyway. The hammer doesn't affect Thor's durability.
Bathinthesun isn't a canon example.
Thor dont have any need to be relied on mjolnir. Its just he is popular with mjolnir ,also inorder to make him more mythologically accurate,he was always shown to be holding mjolnir(by writers),no matter he is fighting with a street level character or Galactus level beings..
But,by feats he dont even have a need to carry mjolnir,expect for the part mjolnir provides additional hax.
He is strong enough to hit with the power of supernova
His blows itself can destroy surrounding planets(not a hammer strike,just blows made by his hand)
Oneshotted a minataur who is AS STRONG AS HULK(its literally oneshot!)
Broke Silversurfer's forcefields with one hit which can take hulk's hits
Can release Godblast from his body even without mjolnir
Unworthy Thor, without Mjolnir, was powerful enough to blast a visible hole in a solar system-sized ship with his lightning
Even,durability wise,he has solar system tier durability.
Survived destruction of the solar system sized ship that i've mentioned above(also,this is weakened Unworthy Thor)
Survived an explosion which destroyed mjolnir itself(same mjolnir which can contain a galaxy destroying bomb)
Survived another solar system sized explosion
And finally,if needed he can unleash power of his mother Gaea which were gifted to him,which makes him even powerful than Odin and grants additional abilities like Geokinesis,terrakinesis,Plant manuplation, etc.
Thor is evenly matched with Superman without mjolnir.But with mjolnir and the hax provided by it,he can easily beat superman.
Now let me ask u,
How does a random alien who literally needed stars to survive can win against a god who is source himself???
This is the reason,Superman regularly gets his ass beaten by Black Adam,who is not even as strong as Thor.
And what do u mean by "current Thor"??
R u referring to mcu Thor or Current Allfather Thor??
I mean,yes.Its current Allfather Thor present in the scan i've posted,but he is not using odinforce,he is using powers of his mother gaea by unlocking them.He already did it few times before.
So,it is safe to consider that Thor always had access to Gaea's powers which he unlocks when needed..
Not only that, he can actually teleport. Something Superman cannot do.
I should note these feats came from @SirSpidey on his Thor respect thread. Its been very helpful.
Day by day, I see a perpetual war in the comments of this battle. Maybe one day it will stop
Infinity war thor is stronger than zack zynder superman
THOR SUPERMAN
1.DURABILITY 1.STRENGTH
2.FEATS 2.KNOWLEDGE
3.ATTACK POTENTIAL 3.SPEED
4.ENDURANCE 4.STAMINA
5.WEAPONS 5.SKILL
6.COMBAT 6.AGLITY
7.BATLLE IQ 7.STAMINA
8.EXPERIENCE 8.ABILITY
9.ARMOUR THOR 9.HEALING FACTOR
10.POWERFUL
10-9
THOR WINS
HIGH DIFFF
It places RKT at the same level as the LT, the beyonder, multi oblivion.
I mean come on sure an overrated guy. Doesn't mean he can made pre retcon beyonder man.
1. He destroyed Yggdrassil not the multiverse. It might contain a multiverse but destroying a multiverse is different. Hela was able to destroy Yggdrasil too, so was Odin with the Odin sword. And Odin amped by destroyer armor + odin sword + 6 skyfathers + entire asgard (-Thor) + 6 other Pantheons were fodder to Celestials. So the Yggdrasil feat <<< Celestials not even beyonders.
2. TWSAIS were speculated to be Beyonders but aren't confirmed to be. Besides, Thor didn't overpower them or even fight them. He destroyed the Tapestry of Fate and cast then out. He only cast them out because the Ragnarok Cycle had ended and so had they. So again he isn't more powerful than TWSAIS who aren't confirmed to be Beyonders.
In which comics did Hela and Odin destroy Yggdrasil?
I don't understand how Odin being fodder against Celestials proves Yggdrasil isn't a Multiverse.
I literally just showed you how Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are confirmed to be Beyonders. Unless you didn't see that comment at the time of the making of this comment.
He didn't kill Those Who Sit Above In Shadow because he understood that wouldn't have ended the cycle of Ragnarok. The only way to end the cycle of Ragnarok was to destroy the Loom of the Fates.
But if they are actually trying to kill each other I think tactics are different and I do not see how Superman can counter many of Thor's abilities. Here are a few ways Thor can easily win
1) Thor uses Mjolnir to teleport them both between solar systems. In the absence of any solar energy, Thor should win pretty easily. If that isn't enough see 4
2) Thor portals back in time and fights Infant Superman while he's strapped into his crashed pod. Or even better, kills baby Superman (or any ancestor) on Krypton
3) Thor sends Superman into another dimension, preferably one without stars, and Superman is stuck or dies.
4) Thor portals to Krypton, collects a bunch of kryptonite, weakens Superman, kills him
I can't think of any tactics like this Superman has available that would basically cheat the fight. Superman's only winning tactic is hope they start close enough to each other that he can blitz Thor before Thor can do any of the above, and likewise stay on him throughout the fight preventing Thor from doing these things if Thor finds himself losing.
My knowledge of the comics is not that great, but just from a description of their abilities Thor should win if he has has any intelligent strategy. Superman may be smarter but Thor's IQ is listed as 160 which is genius level. If I can think of these simple strategies so could Thor. He might not utilize them if he wants to win in a fair fight to see who is stronger or whatever, but if say Superman goes insane and starts murdering Asgardians, then I think Thor might try a conventional fight at first but would not hesitate to use banishment, time travel, or other strategies to weaken Superman if he were losing.
People should also keep in mind Superman's feat list is longer than Thor's for a simple reason that has nothing to do with their abilities. Superman is a far older character, and far more popular, so he appears in way more comics. And again the fact Superman defeated Thor in a crossover doesn't tell us much. It is basically a given that Superman would win because he is so much more popular, iconic etc. It would be very strange for DC to allow their prime property Superman to be defeated by the relatively obscure (at the time) Thor.
Secondly, the speed of Mjolnir transcends time, so it can easily banish Superman to wherever Thor chooses, no matter how many times the speed of light Superman can travel.
Lastly, referring to instances in the comics where Thor "struggles" against lesser beings proves that you don't know anything about the character of Thor. Thor has made vows in the past to never physically harm a mortal being. he has also stated multiple times that he holds back against his friends as a means to not humble them. He has also stated that he is too concerned with the fates of others, which is often the reason he loses. There are countless examples in the comics depicting Thor holding back against lesser beings, that it would be illogical to refer to examples of Thor "struggling" against those beings.
now I'm not doubting you but could you show some scans of him banishing someone. And when he fought wolverine he literally said wolverine was too fast but he's durable enough to take his attacks. He wasn't harming him he was physically immobalizing him.
Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #103, Pages #12, 13 - While his power was reduced to half, Thor banished Skurge and the Enchantress by creating a vortex with Mjolnir.
Thor Volume 1 #136, Pages #10, 11 - With only the fury of Mjolnir, Thor can banish beings to an entirely different Universe.
Thor Volume 1 #140, Page #16 - Thor can banish beings and objects beyond all time and space by using Mjolnir to place them within a universal infinity vortex, which is a faster than light continuum which causes cataclysmic displacement.
Thor Volume 1 #142, Pages #15, 16 - Thor eternally banishes the Super Skrull from Earth back to where he came from in the mainstream Universe.
Thor Volume 1 #173, Pages #15, 16 - Thor banishes Ulik back to the realm from whence he came.
Thor Volume 1 #185, Pages #14, 15 - Using the power of the storm, Thor creates a vortex that flung his foes through space itself at speeds faster than the speed of light to arrive at Asgard.
Thor Volume 1 #393, Pages #19, 20 - Thor whirls Mjolnir until it is moving far faster than the mortal mind can conceive, then throws it with its speed increasing by the microsecond, until it finally transcends the boundaries between time and space in order to open a dimensional seam to transport a building to a distant world.
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As for the Wolverine fight, that still doesn't change the fact that Thor holds back against lesser beings and his friends.
Elijah born and raised as a peseant on the English countryside serve in the kings army at times of war.
He is incredibly strong and got great physical abilities working hard on the farm but also doing some combat training when possible.
The last time Elijah participated in battle he sustained injury and losed an eye, a limitation and set back when engage in combat.
The christian part time warrior wields a normal sword and a shield the weapons he is used to.
Egil the Red serves the king of Konstantinopel as an elite guard and is a mercenary warrior.
When not engaged in battle he is training to become the very best warrior possible, he is strong and got great physical abilities.
Egil wields the sword "Sculd" a legendary weapon forged by the very best weapons smith in the ancient world.
The iconic sword is known to pierce the defences of the enemy destroying armor and weapons.
He also got a shield and a chainmail armor of highest quality he is prepared for battle in the best way possible.
Egil and Elijah face each other to battle, who do you think would win ?
Can u name one educated Youtube channel pls.Because as far as i know,in most of the channels and there videos i've seen,people actually prefered Thor over Superman(in battle)..
The writer decides outcome because of preference and plot not logic.
I dont think Venom actuelly could beat Superman, being more objective the symbiote would have no chans at all.
Batman kicking Hulk in the stomach and he became knocked out because of breathing a gas afterwards, this is also not possible.
If being objective Superman would not prevail against a magical warrior god wielding the most iconic magical weapon in fiction.
Thor got to many advantages to lose this battle something already presented.
I think its more rewarding to campare characters strength and weaknesses for an objective winner of the battle.
What the comics dictate always comes first. Superman beat Thor in a hard and tiring fight. A comic certainly bears more fruit than the way that you analyze your battles.
There will be no diffrence in thoughts because all anwers may be found in the comics.
All it takes is a victory and its prof of any physical conflict between the characters.
The writer is objective and got no preference, the story is never limited because of plot.
All characters are portrayed in the best way using all powers, weapons and abilities.
Strengths and weaknesses is always used the way they should.
Im of a diffrent opinion i belive the comics are inconsistent often supporting the hero and the most popular characters.
I also belive writers support plot before logic.
(the last two silhouettes acknowledge Supes wielding Mjolnir from this crossover and Wonder Woman doing the same in the previous event)
Also i have had other avatar pictures as Shazam and Doctor Strange.
Crossover comics is realy nothing to refer to, Venom beating Superman or Batman beating Hulk is examples.
But of course i respect youre strong belives in the comics and the writers
But again we dont analyze battles the same way you only want to use the comics and i belive its more than a single story of a writer.
Lets just agree that we dont agree
How does Superman have superior speed? Thor’s hammer moves at a speed that transcends time. Has Superman ever accomplished a feat like that?
How does Superman have superior intellect? Not only does Thor possess gifted knowledge from his Donald Blake alter ego, which gives Thor the ability to comprehend complex scientific works, but he has also been around for thousands of years, maybe even longer. So, if intelligence is the capacity to remember past experiences and apply it to the present state of the world, logically, Thor should be more intelligent, especially since he has gifted knowledge and expertise from Donald Blake.
How is Superman equal to Thor in strength? When has Superman pushed the weight of an entire Multiverse?
How is Superman equal to Thor in durability? When has Superman survived the energy blasts of three Celestials back-to-back-to-back and got back up as if nothing happened?
How is his attack potency higher? Superman can't even destroy the Earth with the impact of his punches.
And no, Superman beating Thor in canon is a terrible explanation for Superman beating Thor. Given that DC was doing much better in terms of comic book sales in the early 2000s, it would of course be the logical thing to make Superman defeat Thor, as to not piss off the larger fan base; you know, the people who pay their salary. Not only that, but also, given this is only solitary evidence of a comic portraying Superman defeating Thor, logically, you shouldn't even be using this example as evidence, because I could easily argue that it was only plot induced stupidity or writer induced stupidity. I mean, if there were a couple of instances of Superman defeating Thor, okay, now that would be more believable. But only one example is not enough for a definitive answer. If that were the case, then Red Hulk would be more powerful than Thor. Also, when did Thor use his vast arsenal of abilities to try and defeat Superman? Did Thor at least try to use the Godblast? Did Thor try to strip Superman of his solar energy? Did Thor try to disperse Superman's molecular, or even atomic structure? Did Thor try to use the Thermoblast? Did Thor use his mastery over the elements to transform Superman into Helium? Did Thor travel back in time to a more opportune time to try to defeat Superman? Did Thor circumvent time itself and create a time warp, thereby freezing everything around him as a means to immobilize Superman? Did Thor banish Superman to another dimension whence he can't escape? Need I go on? If not, then this example of Superman defeating Thor can easily be relegated to being writer induced stupidity.
Lastly, I like how you mention everything except hax when giving your explanation as to why Superman would win. I think deep down inside, you understand that Thor has way too many hax at his disposal that he can use to defeat Superman. You just like to avoid that particular area of battle because it doesn't fit your narrative that, "Oh, Superman is faster, so he will just blitz him. He can punch harder. He can withstand more damage. He can devise a better plan to defeat Thor. Blah, blah, blah, blah." None of that matters if Superman just gets blimped to an entirely different Dimension. And to my knowledge, Superman has never displayed the ability to traverse different Dimensions on his own, so he would be f'd.
How is stating outliers don't count stupid? That is one of the most widely accepted concepts in versus debating.
Grasping at straws? I literally spouted off three prime examples explaining that it is illogical to use that comic as evidence. Now unless you can counter these points, simply stating they are wrong is going to get us nowhere.
I think you should reread what I said. I never said any of these characters have to use all of their abilities in order for the fight to count. All I'm saying is there are countless win conditions for Thor that the writer obviously didn't consider.
"Superman didn’t come close to using all of his either." What, like shooting him with some lazers? His cute little solar flare? Superman is so limited in his abilities that it wouldn't make any difference.
"Thor’s hax won’t matter when he gets inevitably speedblitzed. And Superman has resistances to literally everything Thor can throw at him." Lol, I literally called it. You're too predictable. Not only can you not prove Thor would get speed blitzed, but you also have no evidence to suggest Superman has resistances to everything Thor can throw at him. So instead of just making empty statements, how about you prove your argument correct by giving me evidence.
"Superman beat Thor in a canon crossover that was decided on by Marvel and DC writers." 1, prove to me it's canon, 2, it's an outlier, 3, it was a popularity contest, 4, there was some degree of writer induced stupidity, 5, quit using this washed up argument.
Illogical battles green lantern won against alien x and wonder woman won against thor
I'm this comic,was this the only page of them fighting???,he says it was his toughest opponent he ever faced but looks to me he finished him off pretty quickly that's how strong Superman is and powerful just out of curiosity thanks
1)Near unlimited strength(have similar strength compared to Thor)
2)Super human speed and reflexes
3)Superhuman durability
4)Heat vision
5)Solar flare
6)Freeze breathe
7)Supersenses,Enhanced Vision (In the form of X-Ray Vision, Microscopic Vision and Telescopic Vision),Enhanced hearing,etc.
8)Can control his own body vibrations
9)Radiation Absorption and Empowerment
10)Regeneration ability
Now take a look at Thor's powerset:
1)Near unlimited Strentgh(2nd most physically strongest superhero)
-Can destroy planets as side effect of his blows
-Took the weight of 20planets in one hand
-Pushed world engine which is connected to Ygdrassil tree which contains a complex multiverse.
-Can shatters planets and stars like pebbles
-Destroyed Surturs galactic core with help of Beta ray bill.
2)Superhuman durability and telepathy resistance
3)Superhuman speed, superhuman reflexes
and infinte travel speed.
-Can move as fast as lightning.
-Silver surfer who can cross galaxy in the span of a blink,can fight in nano seconds,who statlemated The Runner(fastest speedstar in mu),is "Too Slow" for Thor,and failed to percieve Thor's movements..
-Fought speedsters like quicksilver,hermes, beings like Hyperion,Gladiator,Sentry who can fight in mftl speeds.
-Stated that has defeated enemies who are even faster than quicksilver.
-Mjolnir can travel 10 realms(universe) and return back in 1 minute.(it took 60 days for Superman to reach the end of the universe)
4)Longevity
5)Heightened senses-God level senses,sight,hearing
-Can hear prayers from a universe away.
-Thor (comparable to Heimdall) can see objects that lie on the edge of the solar system.
-Thor has claimed to be able to hear cries from the other side of the world
6)Unlimited lightning manuplation
and Weather manuplation
-Can summon ice storms
-Can even summon a storm inside people
-Rain fire
-summon storms equal to size of a realm
7)Wind manuplation
-Planet sized cyclones,tornadoes
-whirl winds
-wind of thousands worlds
8)Lifeforce manuplation
9)Electromagnetic spectrum manuplation
10)Energy manuplation
11)Antimatter manuplation
12)Earth manuplation
-Also can summon earthquakes at his will.
13)Geokinesis and terrakinesis
-Plant life manuplation
14)Matter manuplation
15)Can create Force fields
16)Superbreath
17)Regeneration ability
18)Teleportation-
1)Cab rip apart space by his bare hands and travel anywhere
2)Can open portals using mjolnir
3)Can teleport others via mjolnir
19)Energy absorption and reverse projection(by amping it to 1000× times using his life force)
20)Allspeak
21)God blast
-Able to kill hungry galactus,able to provide enough energy to save 1/4 th of the marvel multiverse!!
22)Antiforce blast
23)Thermoforce blast
24)Warrior madness
25)Omnidirectional lighting projection
26)intangibility disruption
27)Magneitsm manuplation
28)Can gain even more power by awakening his mother Gaea's powers which were gifted to him
29)Can control all four elements of earth
30)Knows some magical spells learnt from loki.
31)illusions creation
32)Resurrection
33)Light manuplation via mjolnir.
34)Gift of forgetfullness/Memory Alteration
Now it is up to u to decide who ever wins.
There is a lot of comic book readers especially Dc and Superman fans who got very little knowledge of Mighty Thor.
Superman beats everyone because he is the strongest and fastest there is and because he is Superman !
If being objective Superman would definitily lose to Mighty Thor.
Actually,i even forgot to mention some more abilities..
A superhero or character with serious weaknesses to be exploited may not overpower a magical based "Warrior God" or someone imbued by the "Power Cosmic".
The "Kryptonian Alien" is vulnerable to magical based attacks, the warhammer Mjolnir is perhaps the most iconic magical weapon in fiction.
The solar energy that powers Superman may be manipulated or absorbed, Silver Surfer got vast energy manipulation control powers.
With Mjolnir Thor may do the very same thing and drain or manipulate the energy weaken, injure or kill the Kryptonian.
Superman is the champion of earth and humankind raised on a farm in Kansas Usa.
He is about 35 years of age with perhaps 20 years of expirience from battle and Combat training.
Mighty Thor is raised in a warrior culture and got expirience from some thousend years of combat and training.
Being the champion of Asgard and Middle earth he have fought everything as giants, trolls, monsters and demons.
The Silver Surfer is a very old Alien with some thousend years of expirience, he is not a warrior and a pacifist. Surfing the universe for an extended time in search of planets to his all powerful master he got vast expirience.
To refer feats in comics is of less value, all three got incredible feats of diffrent kinds.
Feats of strength, speed, durability and diffrent powers as energy manipulation and control or magical attacks.
The versatility is superior of Silver Surfer and Mighty Thor allowing more kinds of feats using diffrent powers. This may be the most important reason why Silver Surfer and Thor beats Superman in battle.
With time for planing Batman a "Super normal" human defeated the "Kryptonian" exploiting his weakness.
This should not be possible but with an incredible versatility of a "Warrior God" or Super powerful "Alien" Superman will not prevail.
The objective winner in a conflict between Superman and Silver Surfer or Mighty Thor is not the "Kryptonian".
Also the reasoning for Superman winning almost every single battle is literally just because he's Superman. Superman's known for always saving the day the same way Spider-Man always has bad luck and how the X-Men are always hated. But if you take away that plot armour then Thor will win. @God_of_Thunder made a recent answer explaining why.
But "current Thor" and "current Superman" are ridiculous to bring up. I consider all canon and what they've both accomplished (at base power) since their beginning. And Superman wins on that front.
Is thor overpowered? NO. So can superman win against thor? Ofcourse not, hes the god of thunder.
Similarly, for batman and ironman, people always criticise batman for his PREP TIME. But iron man has like 1000s of his buster armors ranging in power
I think what they mean to say is on average DC's heroes are stronger. Just look at the average members of the JL and then the Avengers and you'll see the power difference.
People criticise Batman more because he's known for his prep and a lot of people vote for him assuming he's allowed prep in these battles. They don't do the same for Iron Man.
Also how is base Superman multiversal?
The difference with Iron Man is that not only is he less known for his prep, even the people who do think of it can't use that argument because there are separate versions of Iron Man with all the other suits.
"he would just punch behind him creating a huge crack so he would be able to get back up". I don't know what you meant here. You saying Superman would fly past the hammer and punch Thor in the back?
What would Superman do if pinned by the hammer?
I can't say who's stronger or more durable but to say Superman tosses Thor around like a potato shows a massive lack of understanding who Thor is.
Thor may not be a sorcerer but he doesn't have to be. He's a god. Zeus isn't a well known magician either but his lighting bolts are known for its devastating effects.
Not being known for speed or anything is a poor reason to discount someone and it actually explains how Thor would win as Superman would underestimate Thor's speed and lose.
But i think thor has upper hand because of his HAXx and Abilities
Superman hold back and solo JL on multiple occasions and assuming this is on earth, Supes has the power of the sun
While Thor is a god and solod the Avengers on a few occasions and plot and Thor has magic, a minor weakness of Superman
Strength: Supes
Speed: Thor
Durability: Supes
Power: Tie
Combat: Thor
Tier: Thor
Intelligence: Supes
+ Origin and origin of power because this explain the source of power used of the superhero or character.
+ Weakness and limitations of the character.
+ Versatility, a character with a lot of diffrent powers may exploit weaknesses attack in diffrent ways and change tactics.
+ Powerful artifacts and weapons used by the character to increase power.
+ Maximum power output, the force of a characters most powerful attacks !
+ Combat skills and expirience.
+ The level of basic statistics as strength, speed, durability, reflexes, endurance, intelligens etc
+ Meanes of travel, may the character fly or is he or she grounded.
+ Extraordinary feats in the comics !
+ Origin and origin of power for Superman and Mighty Thor.
An Alien Kryptonian born powered threw dna and herritage.
Powered from solar energy that fuels his body.
A God, eldergod hybreed born with his power from herritage, a magical origin.
Wielding powerful magical artifacts created of the gods.
+ Severe weakness to Kryptonite, radiation from the rock weakens Superman and may even kill him.
Red solar energy weakens the Kryptonian severly.
Finaly Superman got a weakness to magical attacks.
Mighty Thor do not have a true weakness but may be depowered if removing Meginjord the magical belt of strength and Mjolnir the magical warhammer.
+ Versatility, Superman got heat vision and frost breath also its possible to mention his incredible speed. The Kryptonian got a good Versatility, its not great but better than a lot of the superheroes.
Mighty Thor got a great Versatility able to perform a lot of stunts.
Weather manipulation as storms, totnados and lightning. Energy absorbation, matter manipulation, blasts of magical energy as Antiforce or the Godblast. Magical energy enhanced blows from Mjolnir.
Create powerful foce shields, wake the dead, dimensonal travel threw portals, teleport, manipulation of souls and much more !
+ Superman do not have any weapon or artifact, he relays on herritage and the sun.
Mighty Thor wields the magical warhammer Mjolnir crafted of dwarfs and enchanted by Odin king of the gods.
The belt Meginjord is charged by magical energy to futher increase his strength.
+ Superman is capable of releasing an attack called the Solar flair, a powerful burst of solar energy. The heat vision is incredibly hot and he may destroy planets with his fists.
Mighty Thor may blast a God blast, probably the most destructive attack of any superhero.
Amplified strikes threw use of the warhammer Mjolnir, attacks may be futher increased threw magical energy.
+ Superman is a skilled fighter with expirience and training from about 20 years.
Trained by Batman to become a good hand to hand combatant.
Mighty Thor is born in a warrior culture with training and expirience from at least a couple of thosend years.
Battling giants, trolls, dragons, monsters as the champion of viking culture.
+ Superman and Mighty Thor are about equals in most basic statistics.
Superman got superior speed and higher intelligence, Thor got superior endurance in no need of any outside energy.
They are about equal in strength bouth got incredible feats in the comics as liftning and destroying planets. Superman lifting the weight of earth in five days, Thor lifting the weight of 20 planets with one arm.
+ Bouth may fly and are not limited to the ground.
+ Feats in the comics have been mentioned under Basic statistics.
Bouth got incredible feats from the comics and are greater than the vast majority of other superheroes.
Using this approach the objective answer would be Mighty Thor as the most powerful and victorious in a battle !
Who and what they are, the weaknesses and strengths.
stronger
smarter
more durable
What is Superman doing?towing planets or going so fast creating wormholes at warp speed,or he traveled to where this planet used to be?,,
Me: Dude my PC lags loading this page
intelligence- superman wins!
though thor has outsmarted loki's traps sometimes. Superman is able to remember everything he has read and can draw upon it at will.
He has taught himself surgery, at superspeed no less. It is theorized, if he made the effort he could learn and retain any particular skill he had an interest in applying himself to.
speed- superman wins!
superman has disabled every Reality-Busting Missile in his dc universe in 1 heartbeat also, green lanterns travel the universe at 90 octillion times the speed of light and superman has speed-blitzed them many times before. If that is somehow not enough, he also kept up with the flash. Thor has kept the same pace as silver surfer on special occasions, though he was eventually was outran by him.
strength- superman wins!
superman Has defeated gods like Darkseid and thor has beat Herald-level beings like Thanos and other herald level beings. But I would say darkseid scales above them
endurance/durability- superman wins!
superman traded hits with Darkside and other gods(was almost always perfectly fine afterward). thor has taken hits from beings as strong, if not stronger than Odin.
overall superman has better feats in more deciding categories then thor(Ps.there are many more impressive feats that I could have used for superman).
so am saying sups wins 8/10.
but feel free to reply if I made any mistakes!
Superman dont have more deciding categories to win,it was thor who have more deciding categories to win.Weaknesses, Energy projection,Versaitility/hax.Even if u assume superman is stronger than thor,his severe vulnerability to magic gives a major edge to thor.
He have to access to powers of Mother Gaea,which he rarely invokes.
"MOTHER GAEA PLAYS NO FAVORITES,WIZARDS OF THE COTAT!HER MAGIC IS STRONGER THAN YOURS.."
Born I was a god of thunderâŚson of OdinâŚbut also a child of the EarthâŚa child of the elder goddess Gaea. Only recently I learned this, and rarely have I invoked that power, or spoken with that voice
Along with beings like Odin,Amatso Mikaboshi, Gaea is a multiversal god,
Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand
I think u dont know the fact Thor also knows some Sorcery which he learnt from loki in his childhood.
Current Thor have Thorforce/Odinforce,
With TF Thor can erase superman out of existence(unless we igone "Story of superman" shit)..
Superman has consistently fought magic users and defeated them via Plot armour.
Superman was also consistently shown as weak to magic,there are also fewkinds of magic which powers,ONLY FEW.
But,not magical lightning..
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightning
# It was summoned with the Trident so yeah itâd still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#Black Adam's lightning almost killed superman
He was also sown weak to many other kinds of magic
#New 52 Superman Cut To Ribbons By Magic Teeth. Justice League Dark 1 (2011)
#Got k.o'd by Enchantress magic,
Enchantress âSo the mighty hero has a weakness. Magic."
Superman himself once stated that his powers dont work against magic,to Phantom stranger.
Superman was consistently shown weak to magic,atleast to magical lightning.There was few kinds of magic which empowers him,but most of the times he was shown severely vulnerable to magic..And superman never defeated beings much powerful than Gaea without any amps or without Plot armour..
This is when a fully powered / a well written Dr.Fate went against spectre,
U can see,his battles with Spectre were more of like statlemates other than one sided fights,
Now look,Superman vs Spectre
U can only decide..
Not enough??
This is when Dr.Fate went against Arion,(They were equally matched)
âŚbut Superman just gets stomped in an instant, against a depowered Arion
yes, when Arion one-shotted Superman there, that was Arion in a weakened state. and when Clark fought nerfed Arion he still had to have Phantom Stranger's help, and even then couldn't take him on directly! Fate, on the other hand, can match Arion's standard power level.
As much as i know,Superman had never defeated Dr Fate,if he really did so,it would be definitely with pis Orelse prove it by showing any scans..
But,the only thing i know is the fight between Bruutal and Dr.Fate (the Earth 2 Bizarro and Doctor Fate, respectively)
U can see this is not the main universe Dr.Fate,this is Dr.Fate of earth 2.This Dr.Fate could be weaker than the original one,and this is not even the superman either..He is just an another kryptonian.
Also,this doctor Fate is heavily nerfed. Nabu is dead by the time this version of fate existed as it happened in the 10th age of Magic, and as i already said,Superman isnt even the person facing Dr fate. Dont use a similar character like superman that beat dr fate and say that decent enough to say Superman can win.Brutaal is similar to Bizarro, and Bizarro is very different from superman despite being cloned from him⌠and i guess 3rd.
Dr.Fate has already fought Silverage Superman and martian manhunter together and won.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111282548/5153309-cap%20and%20ironman%20can%20do%20it%20pt2.jpg
does this mean cap and ironman are above thor!?!?!?! lol
"that is much more powerful then Thorâs most of the time"
R u serious!Superman screamed in pain and got severly hurt by lightning attacks of street tier characters like LiveWire,
And almost got killed by black adams lightning,
Thors lightning is pure magical,
and Livewire's lightning is not even comparable to thors lightning.
Also,by feats, Thors lightning >>>Blacl Adams lightning.Because black adams lightning never done something like this-
Piercing through a multiversal entity Amatsu Mikaboshi(A being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!) making him to scream in pain
Knocking out(temporarily) the most durable and strongest hero Hulk,
Killing the void!
Thors lightning is waaaayyy more powerful than Black adam's lightning which almost killed Superman.
U r making self assumptions without proving them,
I've already shown u scans of Dr.Fate overpowering both superman and mm at a time,and u failed to show me scans of superman overpowerng Fate.
Lmao!!!Instead ur showing me pis feats of ironman and captain america and trieng to prove ur point..đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Ok!I can prove Dr.Fate is more powerful than superman by showing u feats of
Dr.Fate..Can u show me feats of ironman or captain america to proove them powerful than thor??
Can Ironman/Captain America move planets using magic like Dr.Fate?
Can they make chains(using magic) which are strong enough to move continents??
U r doing the same thing what all other superman crybabies do most of the time,
"Underestimating other characters "..
that's the equivalent of me showing thor getting blitz by white tiger aka street-level characters
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111282548/5153302-blitzed%20by%20white%20tiger.jpg
and then later showing superman then punching lobo out of orbit
https://imgur.com/a/g2CQOCR
(if you want to use discord or some other instant platform to hurry up this debate am down)
Having my profile pic as thor doesn't mean that iam a toxic fanboy..
"like showing superman getting hurt by street level and then showing thor hurting a multiversal entity"
Showing high end feats,doesnt mean that iam wanking thor,i was trieng to describe u the power levels of thor's magical lightning and vulnerable levels of superman to magic.Neither iam wanking thor nor iam downplaying superman.
And neither thor have any weakness like "getting blitzed by street level characters" nor he gets hurt by those blitzes..
My intention is not to downplay superman by showing his low end feays,Iam just pointing out superman's weakness to magic and showing the scans to prove it..
If i really wanted to downplay superman,
i might have shown some low end feats of superman like him getting k.o'd by hitting moon
or
him struggling to move a moon
and a planet also even with the help of few sidekicks
But,i know the fact these low end feats are result of some shit writting and bad treatment from writers considering what superman is and his other feats..
I can show u scans of thor moving and fighting in light speed or atleast lightning speed(which i've posted down in this website,if u want i will post them once again) or i can show u the statements of thor able to move in lightning speed or i can show u scans of thor fighting and defeating characters like Gladiator,sentry,hyperion, or speedstars like quicksilver, hermes,zefra,etc or beings like silversurfer(whom thor fought almost for 14times and defeated him 3-4 times) ,a being who is even faster than superman..
Can u show me any scans of superman stating he is immune to magic???
"if you want to use discord or some other instant platform to hurry up this debate am down"
Yes,iam ready..Can u provide me any link?
Strength: Supes
Speed: Supes
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Thor
and @Tyrannus I don't think you see the Superman vs Thor image
What's speacial with this??
A similar attack from Hawkman with the "Claw of Horus" laid Superman out.
Thor can draw the solar energy out of Superman like he did the Presence. The Presence was easily Herald level if not close to Skyfather level
Thor can absorb Superman's heat vision in his hammer and fire it back at Superman with 100x or even 1000x times modified magnified.
Thor absorbs and redirects a planet destroying beam of energy from amped Thanos.
Not to talk of it can absorb Lokiâs immortality.
Just a small focused blast of heat vision was able to make Superman bleed. Imagine what a full power blast of heat vision made 100x more powerful would do to clark..
I've provided evidences to proove those abilities could work on superman,considering the way hawkman was able to k.o superman and his heat vision pierced his own skin..
There r lot of people here dont even know what are thor's powers and abilities, and they dont even try to know about them.They simply assume themselves as thor is only about a hammer and lightning.That's why i post scans of thor's abilites..I've also provived proofs to show how these powers affect superman.
And yes,iam a thor fanboi.But,i've never argued in the wrong way,i've never been too toxic on anyone like some of the superman fanbois in this site,i always tried my best to provide proofs for my statements.
Ok,i know the reason behing ur reply ..
I am sorry to call Gladiator fanboi..But,answer me honestly, Are'nt u a Hulk fanboy?
Trust me, most people here know what Thor's capable of. He's arguably the most talked about hero here with his feats being shown almost daily.
No because I actually prefer the Red Hulk. What makes you think I prefer the green?
I bet most of the people here dont have any idea about hawkman beating Superman with claw of horus,there are some people here who want to defend superman' vulnerability to magic,so i posted scans about them..I dont know anout this site,but i found people acknowledging about thors power set at many places..
Just because i talk about thor most of the time doesn't mean iam biased towards thor and doesnt proove iam "problematic".
If u really have a serious problem with me,i will never argue u again in my life..
I don't insult people, I was just calling you out on the hypocrisy of calling me a Gladiator fanboy. You've since retracted though so its ok.
You admitted that your a Thor fanboy though.
I'm pretty sure I did ping your name on Hulk vs Gladiator.
Like I've already said, I never called you a fanboy back. Stop lying now.
I voted against Gladiator on Hulk and Sentry so what you said doesn't make sense. And even on Silver Surfer its because Thanos saw him as the bigger threat.
@MaseTheFace Who said its beef? Your acting like you've never seen a debate before.
Thor can just open a portal to a red star
Thor wins due to magic & Mjolnir haxs IMO
#In Action comic #835,Livewire fights superman,though it didnt kill superman,but it hurt him badly,
#Ocean Master managed to do it, and it actually knocked him unconscious. Granted this is magical lightningÂ
#it was summoned with the Trident so yeah itâd still be considered magical in nature the same way Aquaman was able to summon Lightning from the sky with his magic Trident.
#Wonder Woman even used the Thunderbolt of Zeus as a defibrillator on him.
#And this..
# superman himself once stated ,his powers dont work against magic,including invulnerablility(to Phantom Stranger)
And yes,magic may not kill superman, because he is superman,but it definitely hurts him more badly compared to others!Atleast magical lightning...
Now,take a look at Thor's lightning-
#His lightning made Death Seed Sentry scream in pain,Sentry was actually flying at light speed during that time,so dont expect superman to dodge every lightning attack from thor!(And it was sentry in full potential, sentry is more durable than superman if iam not wrong!)
#And my favourite one is,it even hurt Amatsu Mikaboshi badly and made him scream in pain,a being who destroyed 98.76% of multiverse!!!
#Even knocked Savage hulk temporarily,
#Shattered a dimensional barrier created by Odin!
#Thor's lightning killed Void(though sentry himself wants to die,still it was a good feat for thor,because sentry knows only thor has enough power to do it)
Still there are tons of other lightning feats i can show,and i am not even talking about Godblast,.and thorforce..
And apart from his ligning,thor also have powers of his mother Gaea.He can use it whenever he wants.Gaea is so powerful, she basically slaps a team with Dr.Strange, Hulk and Silver Surfer with a move of her hand ,as she is a multiversal god(i dont mean thor is also a multiversal god,but he have access to her power),and thor rarely revokes that power,(which includes Earth manuplation, Elemental control,terrakinesis,etc).Thor also had access to her magic...
"LET THY POWER BE REVOKED"
Its funny to see how majority of the people acknowledge the fact,thors powerset also includes-Magical powers gifted by gaea,learnt some sorcery from loki,can even can cast illusiom and magical spells,and his hammer is pure magical..Imagine superman's condition if thor uses his magical powers,
For me,this is a STOMP..
Superman easily stomps him!
He can simply open portal to redsun by swinging mjolnir in the speed of 3xftl,.
Here,thor opening a portal covering entire town,!!and remember, thor can open portals to whereever he focus and imagins..
"SHOULD THE PORTAL HE IS CREATING OPEN TO A SUN OR STAR"
Here,thor shows how easily he can open portal (within less than a second).
So,Either superman gets weakend by redsun radiations or thor pushes him to portal opening directly to surface of redsun using all of his strength ,superman should run away from battlefield inorder to be alive...
Here,thor teleported a group of villains without even them noticing.Thor can just teleport/banish superman to dark dimension or redsun without even superman noticing..
If you keep scrolling down. There's pictures of Thor with a beaten up Superman. Also there's you. You vote Rune King Thor over the One-Above-All. There's people that overrate Thor on this site a bunch they put him at 465 BILLON which is dumb. Is Superman overrated on this site? Not as much as Thor.
And if thor is overrated,Rkt might have more votes over cas,thor might have more votes over sentry,dr strange,dr fate,and many more...
And never again dare to say u like thor more than superman...U dont deserve to say that!According to u superman is better hero than thor,superman is stronger and durable than thor ,thor is an ant infront of superman,superman stomps thor and u say u like thor bit more than superman. đ¤Śââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
I hear you bro..by the way I know people asked you before,how do you post up pix on this website,I'm unable to do it on Samsung..tried everything..?? please let me know.. anyway my point is I know it's the comics,but certain people will still look at the NOW meaning the box office success of MCU and also their favorite character ,yea Superman is recognized as the most popular character ,it all started with him..he's #1 on IGN TOP HEREOS BUT you have a bunch of kids that will vote for Thor not even knowing how powerful Superman is .for instance I like the hulk and Batman top 3 HEREOS but I won't vote Batman or hulk over Superman even though I like them better..other people..as far as the punk ass that is kinda threatening on the post below you,he's probably lives at home with mommy an daddy and thinks he's a tuff guy who has superpowers...maybe he's Thor's father ODIN..at least your mature about your post..that shows your personality traits are better..when you get a chance maybe give me some advice.. regardless Thor is very powerful and I do like him little better than Superman but I still think Superman would kill him...Oh my bad ,that punk is you hahaha...oh well that's funny,I don't know how to take that comment..maybe you should apologize and I'll take what I said back..cool?
(caustion:I was gamaatically bit weak,plz try to understand if u find any grammatical errors in my explanation đ )Actually even i too dont know how to post pics before. @phamhungbao explaned me everything clearly whem i asked him..Ok,follow these steps:
1)First what u have to do is,copy the link text of image and paste it here.
2)Then keep "img" in [ ]at the starting of link and keep "/img" in [ ]at the ending of link,..then ur imahe will get posted.
3)For example,i will replace 'g' in img with imn and www with yyy and com with zzz.
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https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/58d0V2kuasbx
(seems like ur Jason Auron's assistant đ )
Kids now a days...
Silver surfer a being who can move 5million times faster than light with less than 0.001 nano seconds reaction speed,failed to dodge mjolnir,not once ,many times.There are many more scans to proove this.Thor usually dont throw mjolnir that hard against mortals on earth,that is why some may dodge it,but ss is a cosmic being.Earth has avengers ,avengers has hulk ,so there is no need of thor most of the time because most of earthly villains in marvel are << thor even if u consider their feats in comic.Thor and superman are equally durable according to feats,both tanked universal level attacks,nuclear Explosions and many more.But,thor has advantage over superman, he can create force feilds with the help of mjolnir,can absorb almost everytype of radiation or enrgy or any magical attacks with mjolnir and he is even durable to magic to some extent,even lokis magic has no use on thor,loki needed power from surtur to make his magic effective on thor.But,superman??he is severaly vulnerable to magic ,i am not saying he is weak to magic,but he has no defence against magic and gest hurted by magic just like a normal being hurted.Ther are even some feats to proove superman is weak to magical lightning, but...i dont want to argue on that!
Here,it was mentioned clearly that he was fighting faster than light speed!
Here,Jane foster an inferior version of thor operating multiple people in fraction of secondsJane stated that she moved in speed of lightning.She has to think,percieve things, move hands and operate in lightning speed...
Here,thor blitzing loki literally faster than thought speed!!!In marvel universe,speed of thought is far faster than speed of light..
Here,thor moving his hand nd punching in microsecond(0.0000001th second)!!
Thor is fast enough to evade tank shells.
Here,thor blitzing entire army of malekith forces across all the continents on earth in "seconds"!!And he did it without mjolnir!
Thor once again running in lightning speed and punching venom..
Here,in the above feats,thor is moving faster than light or atleast he can move in the speed of lightning he commands,so it may be faster than speed of normal lightning!..
There are even plenty of feats more from classic days ,modern age and current verison to proove Thor is a lot faster.
Technically,he can be "As Fast AS HE NEEDED"!
I have seen many fools in comicvine and other websites trieng to downplay thor and misleading things by showing those "debunked" antifeats again nd again,but they acknowledge tons of other speed feats.
Thor is actually a superspeed guy.Thor is initially lot faster,but he restrains his "superspeed" and can use only when needed just like he uses for wind manup,lightnings,transmutation,energy absorption,etc.He can even move in speed of his own lightning if he stops restrainng it.Hela,adam warlock,stated it,and thor himself stated it twice.This is why Jane a normal human being after weilding mjolnir does some crazy things like performing surgery of multiple people in fraction of seconds with "lightning speed"(same mentioned in that issue),stopped bullet in midair,fighting odin in space when flying in ftl speed,and many more...This is because "any being who weilds mjolnir possess powers of thor"(stated by Odin), those powers also includes "Superspeed".It was even mentioned in offical marvel website that superspeed is an ability granted by weilding mjolnir.So,this abilities can be "restrained" and used when needed.This is what thor does when he faces street level heroes or any mortal being.
He himself mentions it manytimes.I know,even heroes like superman holds back a lot on earth but he cant restrain his speed ability unlike thor, cause it was a godly type ability but not scientifical type ability.
Here captain america states that his clones cant restraint like thor so they are pretty hard to dealt with.
Thor once clearly mentions that he holds back his "true might" on earth.
But,still these lowballer goes on pointing his antifeats facing with mortal beings..
sorry @Mr_Incognito,..but,I dont mean to be hurt him,but i found many guys in comment section who are too toxic on that youtuber(Danco).There's nothing wrong in that video,if somebody dont like his videos,no need to watch his videos,why to spread hate on him?
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comics!
13 DESTROYED A SUN.
14 DRAGGED A GALAXY. ...
15 CREATED A SUN. ...
16 HELD A BLACK HOLE IN HIS HANDS. ...
17 MOVED THE SUN. ...
18 BENCH PRESSING THE EARTH (FOR FIVE DAYS) ...
19 PUNCHING TIME AND SPACE ITSELF. ...
20 200 QUINTILLION TONS... ONE-HANDED. ...
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Thor saved the multiverse with 1/4 of his power
The myth of Superman being faster is getting a bit ridiculous now. I can see others are starting to use my original scans for Thor so I'll provide some new ones.
Thor shifted the World Engine attached to yggdrasil (multiversal feat).
Durability may go to Superman but then again Superman's weak to magic while Thor is magic.
This wanking superman to next level.
Supermans best feat is flying across Dc universe "after sixty days" and ur bringing feats from ur imagination.
Thors best feats is throwing mjolnr to 10 universes in a minute or less and returned back to him.Thor himseld stated that he can travel evenly with speed of mjolnir
She states-"I invented this..hmm..chrono paralizer to freeze time here in universe designate zero"..
Lmao,bro u dont know anything about thor ,this thing was clearđ¤Łđ.
Thor can clearly see Ego the living planet moving in Hyperspace,i.e.5000Ălight speed and he even outraced it!Not once,3 TIMES!!!
My right brain: Vote for thor
Magic's the only reason why I think Thor can edge the win but when I ask for counter arguments all I hear are "magic's not a weaknesses".
Check these issues:
1.PC Superman Cut By Double Downâs Magic Playing Cards. Superman Secret Files and Origins 2004
2. PC Superman v Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman 219 (2005)
3. PC Superman v Viking. Superman-Batman 21 (2005)
4. PC Superman v Shazam. Superman 216 (2005)
5. PC Superman v Arion. Superman 663 & 664 (2007)
6. PC Superman v Atlas. Superman 678 & 679 (2008)
7. New 52 Superman Cut To Ribbons By Magic Teeth. Justice League Dark 1 (2011)
8. New 52 Superman Wrecked By Magic Lightning. Justice League 16 (2013)
9. Rebirth Superman. Wrecked By Enchantress. Justice League vs Suicide Squad 2 (2017
In an animated show "justice league unlimited" ,shazam mentions "you know you've never been any good against magic and magic what i am all about!"when fightning with superman,same shazam knocked out by batmans missile.All this things are PLOT things!In other fights where superman won against magical enemies due to just plot armour!
I dont know why nobody enquires and cares about all these things,they simply state superman is not weak to magic and they try to defend him!
https://youtu.be/FiSIutHBB-0
Shazam also almost killed superman but thor defeated shazam once and Thor defeated doomsaday also,doomsaday wooped superman ass many times
Thor almost killed galactus with godblast but superman cant even bring a scratch to doomsday with his most powerful attack solar flare
And at the end i say ulik>>>superman!Can u say superman can beat ulik???cause u dont have any proofđ¤Ł.
Remember one thing thor can teleport superman to a place where yellow sun is not in range...so technically superman dont stand a chance against thor
So, you can easily get to 1500 votes in 10 years.
Evn i can say i am a superman fanboi but i honestly believe thor wins,nobody cares thos type of sh..t..
Thoughts anyone?
Strength: Superman
Speed: Superman
Power: Superman
Superman has electricity resistance powers which thor always uses, superman stomps
Superman is stronger, smarter, faster, and more powerful than thor
Thor is more durable and better in combat
Before y'all say supes is weak to magic, just remember that he isn't WEAK to it, he just doesn't have a special defense against it, and yes I know about the shazam comic it's just that superman has bested more magical foes in the past so he shouldn't have any problem against thor, and thor's "magic" is lightning, and if you read superman's powers he has "electricity resistance" so thor wouldn't do very much to superman.
So superman stomps
Kryptonite can also cause cancer to humans when exposed to humans long term. That's doesn't suddenly stop it from being a weakness to Superman.
Strength: Superman (with a little difference)
Speed: Superman (with big difference)
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Combat: Thor
Superman wins. Because Superman is ahead on more important issues. If anyone disagrees, let's discuss it.
Thor - 0
Superman - kryptonite, needs yellow sun
Thor's reaction speed isn't that much slower to make a difference
Superman's speed in space: 50.000 times the speed of light.
Thor's speed in space: 2 times the speed of light.
Superman's speed in atmosphere: 340km/sec
Thor's speed in atmosphere: 1,5km/sec
as for the speed of the mind. That's a little closer. But still, superman is faster. I'm not say Thor slow, it's just that superman is so fast that he can travel through time like flash and even the prime one million version's speed can bend reality.
And even if we go to the extreme and assume Superman's speed dwarf's SS's, time as we know it means little to the god of thunder.
This normal version of Thor is not a heavy magician
Thor cannot just erase him
Thor can knock him not kill him
Ordinary Superman >>> any version of Thor
Superman >> Any Version Of Thor wth is that messed up logic Rune King Thor, Cosmic King Thor and normal Thor win
1. That's not much of an advantage, Thor is very fast as well
2. Does Superman have any other advantages?
As for speed, Thor can move so fast he can create anti-matter partials by breaking existence.
Superman has never done that. Besides, Thor has other advantages, like weather manipulation and energy projection. He's strong enough to break molecules with a hit
Plus he's just generally powerful. Remember when he broke through dimensions with his breath?
In theory no classic superman feats count on this site, since that's a different profile, but classic thor feats still count. If that's the case Thor stomps, but I don't really believe that, classic superman feats should count.
It's gotta be thor
Superman isn't Hela. She's the daughter of Loki, god of death and her magic is more powerful than her father's.
Since when has Superman been able to destroy and recreate the universe. He isn't God. And he dropped the Book of Infinity.
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
2. Honestly, I didn't expected story of superman that much powerful. Yeah story of superman is very imppressive. But my question is why Superman didn't used that against zeus and batman. Also in comics many characters has defeated superman.
3."Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story"-Ok I will stop bringing metafictional stuff but you will also have to do that. By the way hercules has really showed his stories using it like a power by holding the door of house of ideas.
4. "superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes"- No offense but I am disagreeing with this. Thor is faster than silver surfer even silver surfer was astonished by seeing thor's speed
"Previously there was monitor only" this is clearly in reference to the overvoid considering we literally see the overvoid and only that and it says that their was only that, plus you're forgetting the full name "monitor mind the overvoid", then it also says "then is a flaw found at the heart of monitor perfection" which literally is referring to creation and it says its at the heart of the monitor which you can CLEARLY see it's in the overvoid, "monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw" we then see that weird red thing in the middle which is meant to contain creation so it can analyze it, its so obvious that "monitor" in this context means the overvoid, so no it doesn't mean just normal monitors that's a pretty blind claim considering you brought up someone who's considered a joke used the scan on you like bruh.
2. Because didn't I literally say that superman can't use it and only the story of superman comes in when base superman has absolutely NO way to win, meaning that he can't use it freely, batman is a fodder to superman and superman could absolutely trash him if he didn't surpress his power so he has a way to win, so that's why the story didn't come in
3. I'm literally only bringing it up because your original win con for thor brought up some metafictional bs and you pinged me for it just to mistake my words as meaning something I didn't mean, so basically I had to defend myself by bringing it up. And him holding the hoi door temporarily is just because his existence Is made out of stories not because he used his story at all
4. Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, plus superman has better speed feats than thor does
Is able to keep up with the flash when holding back is just one example of this, also teleportation doesn't really matter all that much considering superman has irrelevant speed
that scan is from superman beyond issue 1, it is from superman and shazam looking at limbo and learning truth about mandrakk to be exact
this is the page before that one, monitor is used for overvoid in that context
2. Yeah then thor will kill Superman before superman could use his SOS. Also zeus is not fodder to superman.
3. The point is you brought The SOS to give a back up to superman against thor's god blast and that's why I also brought some metafictional stuffs of thor to defend thor here. Also go and say that to Jim Zub. Not me. Jim Zub literally told that hercules only was able to hold the door because his story is larger than comics.
4. "Silver surfer is similar to superman in the sense he surpresses his full power and always holds back, so him losing to thor in a race doesn't mean anything, "- Well thor every time holds back his might so that people don't die at his hands
5. Sorry but are you trying to say this is an example of superman's irrelevant speed.
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2. Yes he says that because Hercules is made out of stories and his stories are "larger than comics" cough, doesn't mean he actually used the stories in that context unlike superman, and what I actually said is that if God Blast counts for thor then SOS counts for superman too
4. Okay...? Doesnt matter considering silver surfer has better feats than thor when it comes to speed, so him out speeding ss when it comes to speed just means ss supresses his strength and speed far more than thor does, and thor having a disadvantage doesn't really matter since surfer puts himself at a disadvantage all the time, oh and "why would he hold back?"
You understand silver surfer at that point doesn't even know about his full power, right? He's not even got anything anywhere near his full power đż, and yet he still holds back on top of that so yeah
4. Lmao superman literally holds back to a subconscious extent, he's never going all out with his speed like silver surfer
And yet he has feats like moving across the entire dc multiverse in a split second, so that feat you showed is inconsistent af, plus I guarantee 100% besides what I listed out it has context too
5. Superman holds back don't have to repeat myself
2. If SOS counts for superman than thor's metafictional stuff should also count for thor. By the way I agree if superman uses SOS against thor then base thor has no chance of defeating superman. But superman can only use that when he has no chance to win. But thor will not gonna give him chance of using SOS.
3. Even if silver surfer holds back but still he can travel light years distance in mere second
4. Yeah superman holds back. But thor doesn't do that? Thor also holds back. And also superman was able to fly across the dc multiverse just because of his SOS. Also thor has hurted amatsu mikaboshi in chaos war#6 and mikaboshi is an aspect of oblivion.
5. Yeah superman and thor both of them holds back.
^ Death completely negs the sun's existence and superman starts to age, and then he just uses his hax and comes straight back to strength and blitzes death.
^ Superman gets trapped in the future, the last day of the earth where there is no sun, and superman just uses his hax blitzes and one shots death. So no, that is not a wincon, also nice one if you think superman can't destroy planets or is planetary you need to re check your dc scaling
Here's superman busting a planet for you lmfao, that was easy to find, plus superman has thrown hands with multiversal beings before, so that wincon is also invalid.
2. Yes maybe but thor can't even freaking use the stories to his advantage, he never shown any feats of his stories backing him up and plus, having stories that exist in the hoi doesn't mean sh*t since everything in marvel are stories to the hoi.
3. Yeah okay and? Why are you listing out silver surfer feats lmao, I'm trying to discuss thor vs superman here, I never said thor was slow I'm saying superman is faster by a long shot, thor is definitely fast but not as fast as superman, even if his speed is somewhat near superman which it isn't, superman could still out speed him and possibly blitz.
4. Yes but thor holds his power down to 1/3 of his total power whereas superman subconsciously holds back, and as he later on starts holding back less its apparent he's grown more than just simply 3 times stronger than his base self.
2. As I mentioned before , superman can beat thor if he uses sos. But thor will not give him chance of using it.I have another argument. Thor's mjolnir has cosmic storm (mother storm), and with it jane foster violated phoenix force
3. I just used the silver surfer scans to prove that even if he holds back still he is very powerful. Btw I know it is out of context. But in speed superman is just 3 or 4 times faster than thor.
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4. Thor states he had forgotten the true strength of Mjolnir many times, and as such it can be deciphered that he usually uses it at a far lower input
^ Superman defeats Darkseid and blinds him
^ Superman defeats TF Darkseid who is a platonic concept with hax (and he should still be able to use the miracle machine powers since he never lost understanding of the miracle machine). And tf Darkseid exists outside creation. Also you understand asgard right? Because the thor we see on asgard is basically thors true form and the one we see in creation is an avatar which is the thor in this battle, plus a higher existence doesn't mean anything to power. Also that was a pocket dimension, just saying.
2. Can you prove that this thor even scales to her? She could be more powerful with it considering this thor doesn't know the full power of mjolnir so he prolly would not be able to use it to its full extent. Plus the abilities doesn't matter since I can just say superman blitzes still, that doesn't change
3. That's enough to just blitz thor before thor can use any of his abilities or his maybe superior strength, speed matters a ton in fights so superman being able to blitz isn't a stretch,
4. You understand superman isn't even aware of his full power either, and he still holds back just like silver surfer, meaning every feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman, and that would mean that thor just not knowing the full strength of mjolnir wouldn't matter
5. LC & MO only defeated TLT in ultimates 2 because TFF (someone much much stronger than TLT) amped them and took possession of them, Also the source wall was broken because perpetua awakened lmao, not because of the justice league.
2. Good feat but I already mentioned that thor is a Carl jung archetype. Carl jung archetype
>>>plantonic archetypes. So that's why thor>>>true form darkseid. Also you are the first debater who asked me to prove that why this thor scales to her. First of all thor survived even when god tempest was within him.
3. This is thor's speed combat
4. Yeah I understand. I completely agree that superman is not aware and he still holds back . I also agree feat he showed in post crisis only applies to a suppressed holding back superman. But his thing can also be applied for thor. As I already told thor holds back every time. That means even he holds back he still can perform feats like defeating phoenix, hurting amatsu mikaboshi, defeating mephisto in his own dimension. Even while doing hold back he can resist the mind control of phoenix emma frost
5. Well living tribunal itself told that no one knows his name and his real face his hidden
It destroyed galactic golem, who is the embodiment of the universe and is made up of stars.
And here he is fighting and taking hits from emperor joker, aka joker with Mr Mxyâs powers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/1202334028965150720
He says itâs not complicated and that itâs acknowledged by both companies as normal canon. Canât get much clearer than the writer himself confirming it.
Also heres a site with a lot of scans that mention the crossover in both companies.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jeremiahkleckner.wordpress.com/2019/11/03/jla-avengers-is-canon/amp/
Upon further analysis of 'JLA/Avengers Volume 1 #2' on Page #36, Superman supposedly bests Thor. But what is odd, on the very same page, Iron Man blasts Superman and Wonder Man follows up with a slug to the face, which knocks Superman out. That would mean, according to Kurt Busiek, Wonder Man/Iron Man > Superman > Thor. I don't know about you, but I don't agree with this at all, given that the comics paint a completely different picture, such as in 'The Avengers Volume 1 #9, Page #16' when Thor gets surprise sucker punched by Wonder Man and is completely unharmed. Also, when Thor literally godhandled Iron Man in I forget which comic. But you get the point. Unless you think Wonder Man and Iron Man are more powerful than Superman and Thor, which is an entirely different argument. So yeah, if anything, this was a poorly written comic that has illogical portrayals within the very same page of itself. The only reason Superman beat Thor was because of writer induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity. Not entirely sure which one. I guess you can use this comic as evidence of Superman being able to beat Thor, but I will say it is extremely poor evidence.
Travel Foreman,the second Golden Superman is was written by Grant Morrison
Frank Quitely and the last Golden Superman which is basically the Original Superman Prime One Millions in DC One Million was written by Grant Morrison too
This isn't a slight against Superman but Thor when he gets serious is far beyond these mortals and Sentry at this point is practically unkillable.
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-Superman-stops-holding-back/answer/Nathaniel-El-Salvador?ch=3&share=43bdb40d&srid=v4c4a
And about Sentry, he operates with millisecond precision. Superman operates with nanosecond precision.
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-a-fight-between-DCs-Superman-and-Marvels-Sentry/answer/Jaydeep-Rajan?ch=3&share=d8696212&srid=v4c4a
Assuming Superman is faster than Sentry, what doesn't prove he's better. How will he ever kill the Sentry?
little bit.
Thor is a noble warrior,I bet Thor wonât use Kryptonite to harm Supes although Thor donât know what Kryptonite is
Logically Thor is powerful than superman
Thor fight with ivory king and killed multiple ivory king so Thor this feat is outerversal Thor many feat is outerversal but superman highest feat only multiversal
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5 - from superman vote
And besides, this whole business is kinda sketch anyhow, and if you can't undertsand that then I don't know what to tell you.
this peace of metal that you call ..
can make all his owners more powerfull than superman !
you can just search about its mystical or cosmic powers
now it has been held by a god !
the god of thunder
i wont talk anymore
just say ..
dont compare before you know both of them completely
All of these are bs ngl,if dhruv taurus or tyrannus said something i would spend my time trying to debunk it but no i can't bother myself with this,just go read doomsday clock or some superman related comic idk.
The same hammer which iron man used to strike thor
The same strike which didn't even flinch thor
The same strike which forced thor to say
"Tony..Listen to me very carefully...Do not mistake wielding my hammer..For wielding my power. Mjolnir or not, I am still a god..And you...Are a tin man in a lightning storm."
Mjolnir can't beat superman solo, it just gives the user a lot of powers and abilities but doesn't put you on supes level. And no, its not true that anyone who wields the hammer can defeat superman . Thor is a god, wielding the mjolnir makes him more powerful, but if a human wields mjolnir he neither is on the level of thor nor on the level of superman. And the powers mjolnir has, only a skilled and powerful user like thor can use. Not everyone who wields mjolnir can use all its abilities. Mjolnir is a great asset, perhaps the greatest in this fight but without a powerful and skilled user it has no chance of defeating superman, let alone beating him solo.
dc fans never know Thor
even mjolnir solo can beat kal el
he is not worthy
first read the damn comic
then vote
Yeh like a piece of metal is capable of fighting,definetly makes sense.
@Incognito What will his supercomputer brain tell him that will win him the fight?
The speed rushing Thor has also been debunked too many times.
@Taurus Intelligence can be split between academic and strategic. Batman is far FAR smarter than CA academically but strategically CA's mind works faster than a human can. So the intelligence thing should be clarified.
@Joe But as Banner he does?
@Tyrannus True, but thatâs experience, not intelligence. Superman winning due to superior speed is a pretty much universally accepted outcome of the fight.
Mjolnir has been able to move faster than SS can keep up and yet Thor has reacted to its return before. He's also been able to manipulate time by slowing his opponents down. Only thing is I've only seen him do that once. Perhaps @Dark_Wing might be able to clarify.