Superman@Tahsin Give me some time to get the one where it basically created the overvoid, but i can give you these scans for now
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
>Well rox ogama was exiled and he had lost all powers that a normal monitor has,so getting stomped by a monitor who already lost his powers is proving how weak spectre is in reality. Also, on panel it was clearly showed that Hal Jordan and other green lanterns together killed rox ogama.
No, he was way weaker than nil monitors, he hadn't had any power left, he lost because miracle machine which uses element x as fuel, the purest form of existance itself, element x is capable of overcomig everything in dark multiverse, making it a great counter for mandrakk, who embodies all the evil concepts, mandrakk would still lose if a 10-b human tackled him, green lanterns killing him is irrelevant, stop spamming that arguement already
Baron Zemo, in the Comics, Baron Zemo wants Revenge against Captain America after Captain America killed his Father, in the MCU, He Wants Revenge against The Avengers after The Sokovia Event,
Spider-Man, In the Comics, Spider-Man is said to be one of the Smarter Characters, in the MCU, Spider-Man is litterly Juvenile like He's immature while the Comics Spidey is Mature
The Hulk, in the Comics, Hulk is one of the Darker Heroes, Hulk is almost a Criminal like he causes havok & Chaos, He hurts People, He kills People and he's still a hero, in the MCU, Hulk is more Funny, more light hearted, see What I Mean
Thor, In the Comics, Thor is one of those types of Heroes who can Fight for Years, Weeks, Days, Centuries, and Even Decades, which means He's probably Smart in a Battle, yet what does the MCU Do, make him one of the dumbest Characters ever
Well rox ogama was exiled and he had lost all powers that a normal monitor has , so getting stomped by a monitor who already lost his powers is proving how weak spectre is in reality. Also, on panel it was clearly showed that Hal Jordan and other green lanterns together killed rox ogama.
Jotaro Kujo Star Platinum phases through and rips Starfire's heart out. Dude, you need to watch more JoJo Bizarre's Adventure to understand more about Jotaro's true powers. ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA. This is how Jotaro wins.
Thor Darkseid had radion weakness, on the other side Thor's arrogance thing vanishged years ago in comics and movies, plus if provoked his Warrior's Madness state might awake
Thor@EmptyHand 1. Well i just did it to give a back up to thor. I never said base thor scales to HOI. You said story of superman is below hoi and that's why I said thor is one of the stories in HOI. By the way I am disagreeing with your some points . "the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, " - I need the scan and name of the issue where it is stated SOS created overvoid and overvoid is defenceless infront of him.
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules and hercules was able to hold the door of house of ideas , and writer already explained why hercules is was able to do that , so story of hercules=Thor
@Deathstroke_01 I cant find anything about primal Spectre and I find exact sentence you described primal Spectre for Unbound /without host Spectre. If you have any source, I will be glad to read it.
This version is full power Spectre who made 5d imp mr mxy homeless child and 5d imp thunderbolt into pen and turned phantom stranger into mouse fixed entire multiverse and only lost to Michael Archangel. Unbound spectre is mid-power while primal/prime is full power
This is what I can expect from you. You have no arguments against me and that's why you have started disrespecting. Cool. By the way what do you think as yourself? imao😂😂😂. I know what does the word fodder mean. But I think you don't know that imao😂😂😂😂😂 Wrath of god? Oh are you kidding me? Your wrath of god got his ass killed by rox ogama who already lost his powers, and the same rox ogama got killed by a bunch of green lanterns imao😂😂😂😂 what a shame🐵, so stop spreading wrong information. And what's wrong with you ? Now please don't say doctor fate will gonna kill someone like shaper of world's or pre retcon beyonder imao😂😂. Again being outerversal will not gonna make you most powerful. Also spectre is not even outerversal. I don't know why people overrate him.
Superman No offense but your arguments for who wins is going by whos stories have a higher existence, ofc all the stories of the heroes in marvel are contained in the house of ideas, but do you HONESTLY think base thor scales to that? no in fact, he literally is just inside those stories so that argument is completely invalid, and btw, the story of superman would be beyond any story in marvel that is not contained in the HOI because for 1, the story of superman basically created the overvoid and the overvoid had no defenses against the story of superman, the overvoid contains beings like the presence & lucifer Morningstar inside of it and they are limited to it, meaning the story of superman has a higher existence than those beings, but then again the only reason i brought up the story of superman is because some people are like "Thor wins becuz god blast gg" and superman having the story back him up is basically the same thing as thors god blast, so i brought it up, but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins
Thor@EmptyHand You are accepting house of ideas is above Story of superman but house of ideas is where stories of marvel are born and house of ideas also contains the story (books) of thor
Aizen (Monster) Monster Aizen wins, no matter if yamamoto is in bankai or not
^ He states that in his third fusion he "transcends both hollow and shinigami"
^ Aizen has knowledge on yamamotos power and with prep was able to negate his shikai by creating wonderweiss to absorb his flames, so if you think "I transcend hollow and shinigami" doesn't include yamamoto in bankai that would be surprising considering you'd have to severely downplay aizens intelligence in order to say he can't put a simple 10x multiplier on top of yamamotos shikai, aizen is literally the second smartest character in the soul society behind kisuke urahara
^ Monster Aizen is a huge power jump from 3rd fusion aizen considering 3rd fusion aizen was getting the beat down by post dangai ichigo whereas monster aizen could hurt him in 1 attack, pretty sure that aizen wins this fight
Superman Can you all stop taking my words as me saying that superman only wins because of the story? Supermans story is far beyond anything marvel story except the hoi stories, I have actual reasons for why superman wins here, not just because of that
Thor@EmptyHand Never mind buddy but I am disagreeing with you. Saying superman only wins because if his story of superman power is actually wrong. In marvel every gods including thor are living stories and metaphor , even if omniverse destroys but still marvel's stories will not gonna end, and thor is one of the stories those stories. And omniverse is defined as this ,
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god , so thus, thor is a jung carl archetype characters and jung carl archetype characters are universal ,,so thor should win this fight.
Lmfao Spectre is literally outerversal and is the embodiment of god’s wrath. He is the presence’s right hand and has some of his power. Shazam wasn’t hurting him whatsoever.
Unbound Spectre is.
Get your head out of your ass. Unless you think Hulk can beat the goddamn beyonder, you don’t have a case to make. And please stop using the word fodder. I bet you don’t even know what it means, you’ve just seen other people use it. Stop spreading misinformation.
^ here the overvoid has absolutely zero defenses against the story of superman and its stated the strongest story in the overvoid
^ the story of superman is the one point the entire DC verse forms off of
^ here neron traps the superman in the overvoid and the story of superman kicks in and he breaks the overvoid literally, this is important because the presence nor lucifer can't break the overvoid which was shown
So its pretty apparent SOS > Overvoid, now the overvoid sees all DC stories and characters as infinitesimal rippling germs on top of it
2. Stop bringing up that metafictional stuff as your wincon for thor, that argument is actually not that good if you think about it because thor and hercules have literally never shown the ability to actually use their stories as power, superman has shown his story kicks in whenever he has no chance to win, but no one cares about their stories since these characters are most likely even so superman wont be pushed to use his story, superman is much faster than thor so i can just say superman blitzes
No, he was way weaker than nil monitors, he hadn't had any power left, he lost because miracle machine which uses element x as fuel, the purest form of existance itself, element x is capable of overcomig everything in dark multiverse, making it a great counter for mandrakk, who embodies all the evil concepts, mandrakk would still lose if a 10-b human tackled him, green lanterns killing him is irrelevant, stop spamming that arguement already
>"The dying god was Darkseid who was dying in the comic, as he was mortally wounded."
no, god in fc was used for yahweh, it is very obvious, "god's army" "god's servants"
Crispus allen himself low key admits yahweh is dead in final crisis revelations
radient says god has abandoned them
radient herself says she can't die unless yahweh dies you know the rest lmao
Baron Zemo, in the Comics, Baron Zemo wants Revenge against Captain America after Captain America killed his Father, in the MCU, He Wants Revenge against The Avengers after The Sokovia Event,
Spider-Man, In the Comics, Spider-Man is said to be one of the Smarter Characters, in the MCU, Spider-Man is litterly Juvenile like He's immature while the Comics Spidey is Mature
The Hulk, in the Comics, Hulk is one of the Darker Heroes, Hulk is almost a Criminal like he causes havok & Chaos, He hurts People, He kills People and he's still a hero, in the MCU, Hulk is more Funny, more light hearted, see What I Mean
Thor, In the Comics, Thor is one of those types of Heroes who can Fight for Years, Weeks, Days, Centuries, and Even Decades, which means He's probably Smart in a Battle, yet what does the MCU Do, make him one of the dumbest Characters ever
There's More, but I'll stop my List here
Unbound spectre appears in day of vengeance where he is weaker
And unbound spectre is from day of vengeance he is same but weaker
This is darkseid
2. "but these are the base versions of the characters so basically, we go by feats of the normal characters and by that superman wins", - Thor and superman both of them have equal level feats . Thor went toe to toe with hercules
^ He states that in his third fusion he "transcends both hollow and shinigami"
^ Aizen has knowledge on yamamotos power and with prep was able to negate his shikai by creating wonderweiss to absorb his flames, so if you think "I transcend hollow and shinigami" doesn't include yamamoto in bankai that would be surprising considering you'd have to severely downplay aizens intelligence in order to say he can't put a simple 10x multiplier on top of yamamotos shikai, aizen is literally the second smartest character in the soul society behind kisuke urahara
^ Monster Aizen is a huge power jump from 3rd fusion aizen considering 3rd fusion aizen was getting the beat down by post dangai ichigo whereas monster aizen could hurt him in 1 attack, pretty sure that aizen wins this fight
2. Every gods including thor are made by collective unconsiousness of people and they will exist as long as there is knowledge or belief in god
Unbound Spectre is.
Get your head out of your ass. Unless you think Hulk can beat the goddamn beyonder, you don’t have a case to make. And please stop using the word fodder. I bet you don’t even know what it means, you’ve just seen other people use it. Stop spreading misinformation.