SupermanvsThor

Superman You just compared new Thor to starter Superman lol... New Thor would be vs. Superman prime: one million which is best forms of each hero. Superman prime is a sun god who is immortal, Thor is a god who is just below immortality and is not immortal like the creator said. Superman prime has warping abilities and can win the battle multiple ways. 1st battle takes place on the Sun, Superman is sun god so no way for Thor to win. 2nd Superman prime uses reality warp and puts Thor into endless vaccum of alternate realities to nothingness and wins. 3rd Superman prime is immortal and Thor is not so keep fighting for long time and Superman eventually wins... since the original battle is starter Thor vs Starter Superman even you admitted Superman wins so Superman wins any battle against Thor if we compare equal versions

Superman Superman can absorb it's power in seconds

not voted Superman speedbliztes him and gets amped off the sun while Mjolnir melts and Thor burns

Superman Yep agreed

Superman Hey what comic is that? number etc? thanks

Superman The Mighty Thor #705

Superman Oh cool.. thanks bro..I appreciate it..I'll look for it

Thor
Jason is just a shitty writer

Superman Well your comic reference seems very old. But mine is quite recent.

Superman That comic is probably worth alit of money though

Superman Why not download it from getcomics.com

Superman I download all my comics or read them online. They don't sell comics here in my country

Thor @RajinKabir doesn't matter if it's old Jason Aaron doesn't keep up with Thor lore and make him consistent. This was first, it's who Thor is intended to be

Thor
And more recent

Superman That's unclear. What happend next?? Which issue is it?? I would read it.

Superman A sundipped Superman is like a Superman on steroids and that's putting it lightly. He's constantly going to be recharging as an accelerated rate and his power levels will be far higher than usual. Meanwhile while the sun won't kill Thor it's not exactly doing him any good either.

Thor Yeah I know exactly how a sundipped Superman works and that's why I think people overrate him a lot, Thor still has better feats than a sundipped Sups does and these feats are done just by casuality.

Superman If you know how a sundipped Superman works then you should know he wins. Superman's already really close to Thor so buffing him up secures his victory

not voted They are equal in fighting. Both are equal in strength and can easily match up for hours. If the fight takes place in the sun. Superman doubles his strength while Thor doesn't get his powers from the sun. If Thor injures superman. The sun regenerates his cells and gets stronger each second when they are fighting close to the sun.

Thor Thor was't limited to just "injuring" him, I think he also has the ability to leave him K.O or kill him permanently.

Superman Kill him how? It's going to be much harder to do so with Superman getting stronger and stronger. He's not going to be able to smoke Superman in time

Superman @ Tyrannus agree with you...I've said this lits of times.. Superman is way more durable,much much faster and much stronger and more.powerful...got to give Thor credit cause he's friggin powerful too but have to give Thor credit because he's s tuff one to beat

Superman Jaeger are you serious!!

Thor Sure.

Superman @Jaeger07 seriously

Superman I think Superman punches hims I hard and take his head off if he really wanted that i agree with Bbq444
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Thor Your just a Thor fanboy

Superman I didn't think that before but now i am also suspecting that

Superman Superman has fought tougher foes than Thor too. Moot point

Thor What happens is that Thor does it so casually...

Superman So does Superman. Let me pose you a hypothetical: You're having a contest to see who's phone runs out of power first between you and your friend. You start at 100% and your phone begins to drain. Your friend on the other hand, keeps his phone plugged in and it keeps charging the entire time. Who's phone will run out first? It's the same thing here.

Thor Your hypothesis is out of context here, because the phones don't fight each other nor give attacks to themself while competing to see which runs out of power first, Thor has countless hax and ways to end Sups definitively before he continues to recharge, as he has done multiple times with Galactus (for example) and believe me, Galactus is above a sundipped Superman.

Superman Superman without the sundip has fought me mxy, imperiex, the anti monitor, galactic golem, highfather, darkseid, parallax, and many more. With the sun, his power is going to constantly be going up. He and Thor are already close in a fight, if you give Superman the advantage of being inside of the sun his power will continue to rise with no foreseeable limit while Thor will be tiring himself out.

Superman I didn't say beat, i said fought. Phoenix is an outlier and he has never beaten galactus. It took his strongest attack to even hurt galactus at all.

Thor But Sups doesn't fight Mxy and all those characters every day, plus, I bet you don't have proof of a Superman base beating Mxy just like you said. While, Thor has made Galactus suffer MULTIPLE times and has been superior to the Phoenix Force on more than one occasion, that's what I meant by "Thor does it so casually" and that's why I said that Thor has several ways to defeat Sups before he even get tired.

Thor And already for having "fought" against these beings, your feat is impressive? the idea is that you beat them and it's what Thor has done with the ones I already mentioned

Superman And you're saying Thor fights phoenix and galactus and beats them every day? He's never beaten galactus and phoenix was an outlier.

Superman While both feats mentioned on either side is PIS, the point is any damage done by Thor to Superman will just be instantly healed over. Remember how the Sentry's skeleton kept healing back up even after being thrown in the sun? That's what's going to happen to Superman. Thor can't keep trying to vaporise him because it'd be futile. What's more, Superman's power levels are constantly growing meaning he won't be able to do that again. If Superman hadn't outclassed Thor yet, he will very soon after

Thor @Tyrannus Can you prove that a sundipped Superman has the same level of regeneration as Sentry?

Thor @Mr_Incognito That Thor has never defeated Galactus?



https://dreager1.com/2014/04/14/thor-vs-galactus/

Also, in what evidence do you base on to say that Phoenix is an outlier?

Superman @MrJaeger Well we know that when Superman was weakened by a kryptonite bullet inside him that Batman was still worried the wound would heal faster than he can react. And that's a weakened Superman, imagine sundipped?

Superman @Jaeger Thor just made him run away. Also Ego and Galactus had an intense battle right beforehand so Galan was weakened.

Thor @Tyrannus And that already proves that a sundipped Superman has the same Molecular regeneration as Sentry? haha no, you're comparison was very inaccurate

Thor @Mr_Incognito And what do you think? that the only way to beat someone is by killing them? no, making him run away is also a way to win and you should prove that Galactus was weakened while fighting Thor

Thor Also, I sent you 3 scans from different comics, which did you mean when you said that Galactus ran away?

Superman @MrJaeger Someone choosing to leave doesn't mean they've lost. Galactus took Odin's best hit and put him to sleep and he still left because the Asgardians bored him.
Also you ignored the point completely. If Superman's lower end of healing is healing faster than Batman then imagine a much more buffed version.

Superman But he doesn't increase his power while inside of it. Superman does.

Thor Fighting in the Sun doesn't make him invincible.

Superman Maybe not but that still gives him big advantage against thor

Thor @Michealdem17 Maybe, but that doesn't indicate that Superman would definitely win.

Thor Prove it.

Superman He only pushed against the wheel of the engine, and even if he was pushing the nine realms, one panel that says "potentially infinite" doesn't make it infinite.

Thor Incorrect. The scan states that the Nine Realms are just the tip of a maybe infinite iceberg. It goes on to say that the Realms are actually complex Universes. So Thor would have been pushing the weight of an entire Multiverse, of which the Universes inside are infinite in size.

Superman Of a "maybe" infinite iceberg. Maybe does not mean yes.

Thor It means if it isn't infinite, it is pretty d**n close to being infinite.

Thor Regardless, Thor pushed an infinite amount of weight.

Superman That was pre Ragnarok Yggdrasil which Thor pushed, AKA the one Thor blew up in Thor #85, meanwhile the one that was infinite was the post Ragnarok tree. They're different.

Thor Based on what evidence?

Superman Superman has also lifted infinite weight, and it was actually confirmed by the writer to be infinite. You're saying that regardless Thor lifted an infinite amount of weight because someone said it was maybe infinite. There is no "regardless" here. Maybe infinite doesn't mean it was infinite. If i'm maybe going to drive to the store, that doesn't mean i am. It means I potentially am.

Thor I'm sorry. I fail to understand how you think Superman would be able to defeat Thor. What is Superman going to do?

Superman He's going to absorb solar energy from the sun, you know... the source of his power, and grow much stronger. In only minutes of sundip, Superman was so powerful he pushed against Warworld, a planet larger than earth and apokolips that was being powered by Imperiex who has the power of the big bang itself.



It also had its thrusters pushing against him at full speed, which can move the planet at light speeds. So not only did he push a planet weighing octillions of tons, but it was moving at light speed against him and was being powered by the big bang, which is universal. This was only a couple of minutes in the sun. He pushed against the power of the universe itself.

Thor So he is going to push Thor? You do understand that is a weak argument, right? Even then, how does that prove he pushed against the power of the Universe? Lmao. That is so out of context.

Superman The point is that it makes him more powerful. That was just an example of how much it amps his power. Imperiex was inside of Warworld at the time and was pushing back against Superman. Imperiex is powered by the big bang, a universal event. So Superman pushed against a planet much larger than earth containing a being powered by the big bang. Not sure how that is "out of context."

Thor Okay, but how is Superman getting more powerful going to make it to where he can defeat Thor? What is he going to do? What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex was "pushing back against Superman?" What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex's power comes from the Big Bang? What evidence do you have that suggests Superman was only in the Sun for a couple of minutes? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld weighs more than the Earth (Notice how I said 'weighs more' and not 'is larger'. Something can be larger than something, but that doesn't mean it weighs more)? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld weighs more than Apokolips? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters were going at full speed? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters can move the planet at speeds faster than light? What evidence do you have that suggest Warworld weighs octillions of tons? Not that any of that holds any relevancy as it pertains to Superman being able to defeat Thor, though. You made eight claims that have no evidence supporting them. That is why it is out of context. Keep in mind that this isn't even canon Superman, but I'll let it slide just for argument's sake.

Thor Also, are you ever going to respond to our discussion regarding Thor vs normal Superman?

Superman Imperiex having the big bang's power

He can eradicate the universe

The scan i already showed stated it was using its thrusters at max power.
For the weight: Here is the calculation.
Superman said war world had the same mass, size etc... as Pluto.
Pluto's mass is 13,090,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg which is 14 Quintillion tons(14,429,255,060,000,237,568 tons specifically)
Since war world's thrusters enable it to move beyond light speed and it used it's thrusters in an attempt to prevent Superman from pushing it, you'd have to apply the momentum = velocity(m/s meters per second) x mass(kg) formula to get the true mass that Superman was actually pushing which would be far beyond just Pluto's mass.

13,140,000,000,000,000,000,000(Pluto's mass) kg x 299,792,458(speed of light in m/s) = 3,924,283,275,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

In tons that would be 4.3 Octillion tons(4,325,781,841,303,900,090,000,000,000 tons)

The combined forces of Apokolips, Earth and Brainiac's gigantic Warworld managed to defeat Imperiex. Brainiac-13 then betrayed his allies and absorbed Imperiex's powers for himself. Superman had just been super-charged by a visit to the sun so Superman managed to somehow lift Warworld itself, a planet that dwarfed both Earth and Apokolips and sent it and Imperiex back in time to the original big bang.

Superman @Sirspidey I don't know, it was getting pretty toxic and i try to pick my battles. I don't like going in circles.

Thor I like how you managed to not answer two of the most important questions out of the eight. What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex was "pushing back against Superman?" What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters can move the planet at speeds faster than light?

Thor Okay, then quit being toxic and quit going in circles. You said you would debate me if I didn't insult you and I said okay. Are you a man of your word, or are you going to chicken out?

Superman Stop accusing me of things that i'm pointing out you doing. I fail to remember you ever saying ok, but if i'm mistaken then i say let's do it. I can anticipate lots of ad hominem and bad arguments, but so be it.

Thor You never specified who you were talking about. In fact, you even said, "*I* don't like going in circles", so that is on you. The only reason you wouldn't have seen me saying okay is if you didn't read what was last said. Did you not read my response? Anyways, yes, let's do it. Just start it in our conversation on the Thor vs Superman page. And keep convincing yourself that I'm going to insult you so you don't have to finish the debate. I love me an opponent, but do you know what I love more? An unprepared opponent. So prepare yourself.

Superman Dude, i've seen past debates you've had. You can't pull the wool over my eyes. You yourself have admitted that a lot of your debates go to ad hominem and that you even like being insulted. I'm not sure how me pointing this out makes me unprepared.

Thor Also, which version of Superman? Is it cannon Superman or no?

Superman I'm fine if you start, by all means. What is "canon Superman" in your eyes? You need to bring actual evidence to the table of what "canon" superman is, not just you saying so

Thor Canon Superman is Rebirth Superman, unless DC recently did another reboot of Superman that I don't know of.

Superman Saying stuff like "chicken out" makes you sound like you're 10 years old.

Superman Mr_Incognito actually not only has he pushed a planet weighing octillion of tons he has towed many planets at a time..so he has pushed or towed probably for arguments sake Untrigintillion tons..take a lol at the scale..it's insane..he's much stronger than Thor and like I said more durable and faster..maybe not as good as a fighter..have to give Thor combat advantage without a doubt

Thor Thor has casual conversations with the god of the Sun in the center of the Sun. We wouldn't be remotely affected by the heat of the Sun. And it isn't far off to say that Thor could just absorb the energy of the Sun into Mjolnir and leave Superman without a source of energy.

Superman Hmmwell.movie version left Thor very weak taking on the full force of a star..but that's a movie,not sure about Comics

Thor Good one.

Superman Then he would find another sun cause he he fly probably faster than the speed of light,if Thor is even capable of destroying a sun..how would he be bake to do this feat?? curious.its not like he has super breath and can freeze it like Superman..you can't punch the sun cause it really has no surface,so maybe you can explain that?? thanks

Superman Superman wouldn't just sit there and let that happen. Also, he can just fly to another, and with his superior speed + maneuverability, he can do that no problem.

Superman Thor cannot beat Superman is stronger from the sun. Superman is wins.

I told you. Only Sun-Eater. Sun-Eater can stole power superman, then Sun-Eater will destroy the sun.

Thor It definitely will

Superman Agreed..but now he will be constantly strong..buteven without being close to sun supes would take this..I'm not saying easy but he would.... Thor has combat advantage...but Superman is way more stronger,durable and faster..I would say they are on same level for intelligence..

Superman Without the sun he'd lose. Thor's more durable and with mjolnir he's stronger. It's the sun that give him that win.

Superman It's not about if Thor has a problem with the sun, it's about how powerful Superman gets inside it.

Superman Okay. I just edited my comment so will you give it a re-read?

Superman thor has no problem in sun ,



but superman gonna win via he got more power ,

Superman @BlotskyA .thor loses to galactus ,he taken attacks yeah ? what's that means ? thor almost die from a punch from galactus

Superman the void wasn't fullpowerd this time and sentry ask him to kill the void before he got more powerful,also superman was able to beat ,doomsday ,darkseid 50% avatar

Superman Solomon Grundy loses to superman ,but Solomon Grundy is a superman hard opposite

Superman is DC'S Hulk ur OC ?

Superman That's PIS @Breaker, Thor can literally die in the sun https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f6d14e3c2f46d3ab4ed264fac8929025

Superman number 1 : this is unworthy thor

number 2 : i see no damage for thor here

number 3 : you're the only one who says PIS

Superman Your underestimated Superman..he could easily take attacks rrom those guys and actually be able to beat some of them