SupermanvsThor

Superman Totally agreed

Thor Through such a fight, the sun will probably end up being destroyed and Superman will no longer have a place to recharge himself, as soon as Thor notices that Superman feeds on the suns, he will not let him go to another, GG.

Superman Superman is way faster than Thor, he wouldn't be able to stop him.

Superman Mr jaeger the thing is that there is more than one sun in dc also the fact that superman is faster does give him an egde yes thor might have magic on his side. Superman will not let thor do a god blast and detroy the sun or anything like that. Also thor will be weakend by superman until he understands that supes gets his power from the sun and he wont be able to destroy the sun in his weakend state.

Thor Thor wouldn't need to chase him in a race, he would simply teleport him to a dimension where there are red suns (which weaken him), plus Thor isn't that slow, once was able to catch Silver Surfer in full displacement and did it without even using the Mjolnir, why he wouldn't do it with Superman?

Superman I know thor is not slow but superman is just faster than thor and silver surfer (not combined). And the thing is that how would thor know that superman is weak to red suns also it would take sometime for thor to understand that supes power comes from the sun also at that point thor is weak. And if he did some how know that supes is weak to red sun thor would be to weak to fight he would be drained also suped has bench pressed the earths weight for 5 days non stop and it was on without the sun so yah superman is still very powerful thor would be in a weakend state and boom however supes does not kill thor could take that to his advantage. I am not biased I love thor as well but in the sun which is supes source of power and till thor relizes it would be to late.

Thor @Devil Thor has tanked WAY powerful attacks than those of a sundipped Superman, also Thor wouldn't use the Godblast to destroy the sun, what I meant is the sun would be destroyed by collateral damage, nothing more, if Thor uses the Godblast it would be in an extreme case to finally end Superman, if he was able to damage the armor of a celestial with that attack, he would undoubtedly do it with Sups even if he is sundipped.

Thor That Superman is faster than Silver Surfer? you can't be serious.

Superman Superman’s best speed feat is miles ahead of anything surfers done.

Superman SS traversed the entire universe in a few seconds. Superman hasn't done that. Don't assume Superman's that far ahead

Superman He isn’t that far ahead, but he’s still ahead at least in my opinion. Superman flew around the entire volume of the universe quicker than a heartbeat.

Thor You don't want to imply that for that inconsistent reason Superman is faster than SS lmao, SS was created to be one of the fastest in his verse, he's like the Marvel Flash and he very consistently proves to be faster than Superman proves, ONE better feat doesn't put him above anything SS has done and that is stupid to believe.

Superman You literally said "Superman’s best speed feat is miles ahead of anything surfers done".

Superman Yeah, he isn’t consistently sexdecillions of times light speed, but it’s still a ridiculous feat. They are at least on par with one another in speed.

Superman Supes is a little faster also marvels flash is quicksilver. And sorry but talk to the votes. Also if its in the sun superman easily wins this. Basically your testing which battery lasts longer but one battery is getting charged and still getting used which is superman supes easily takes it. the thing is that there is more than one sun in dc also the fact that superman is faster does give him an egde yes thor might have magic on his side. Superman will not let thor do a god blast and detroy the sun or anything like that. Also thor will be weakend by superman until he understands that supes gets his power from the sun and he wont be able to destroy the sun in his weakend state. I know thor is not slow but superman is just faster than thor and silver surfer (not combined). And the thing is that how would thor know that superman is weak to red suns also it would take sometime for thor to understand that supes power comes from the sun also at that point thor is weak. And if he did some how know that supes is weak to red sun thor would be to weak to fight he would be drained also suped has bench pressed the earths weight for 5 days non stop and it was on without the sun so yah superman is still very powerful thor would be in a weakend state and boom however supes does not kill thor could take that to his advantage. I am not biased I love thor as well but in the sun which is supes source of power and till thor relizes it would be to late. SUPERMAN IS FASTER THAN THOR SEARCH IT UP.

Superman Also superman always holds back no matter what so no one gets hurt or dies not even for a second if they did it at an abondend universe with no one there besides thor and supes and if supes does not hold back then supes destroys the heck out of thor also he is in his frikin power source. Also the votes say it as well im not bised at all I love thor and marvel but superman in the sun and if he does not hold back thor loses

Thor You basically repeated everything you already said in your previous answer, so I'll summarize:
1. In fact SS has shown more consistently to be faster than even Quicksilver, which is why I say that he is the most likely candidate to be Marvel's Flash than Pietro and he more often proves to be faster than Sups demonstrates as I said.
2. I see you ignored the fact that Thor was able to catch Silver Surfer in full displacement by himself and assuming that SS is faster than Sups, it wouldn't be a problem for Thor to do something similar with him, as I said, the Godblast would be a last resort in favor of Thor to definitively end Sups, he would not waste such an attack to only destroy a sun.
3. Although many may not believe it, Thor has great intelligence in combat (apart from his skill) and can learn to deal with beings faster than you think, Thor would notice that Sups recharges from the sun long before he arrives to weaken and with some IQ he'll know that the red suns are totally the opposite of the yellow suns and therefore it would send him to a dimension where there are red suns.
4. Thor's durability is damn insane and arguably superior to Superman's, he spent MONTHS fighting Zeus himself and giving him a good fight, he was able to resist the weight of Jormundgander who is a serpent with Earth's weight and this he did with all the broken bones apart from being weakened by a Hela's spell, he moved the World Engine which is a machine that contains Yggdrasil and the 9 kingdoms, so moving it must have been the equivalent of moving 9 interdimensional planets (a lot more than supporting the weight of Earth for 5 days without the sun), Thor has resisted during long rounds the attacks of Mangog who trashed all Asgard and even Odin himself, etc ...
Although Sups slightly surpasses him in speed, Thor surpasses him in durability and also in combat experience (by far), what a sundipped Superman would do is make the fight longer and demand more of Thor's resistance, but due to the feats of that kind Thor has done, I think he could hold out long enough until the sun is destroyed or Sups's weaknesses are discovered.

Superman I know i said what i previously said. But what you compared is a starter superman to a new thor so you have to make it equal like sterter supes vs starter thor. Because im not comparin superman prime to starter thor am i now.

Superman Also superman ALWAYS holds back

Superman Also I am not the only one who thinks that superman will win the majority says superman will win

Thor There are no differences between a Thor starter and a middled-battle Thor, in any case, Thor will use more and more power as required to match Sups over the course of the fight, most likely he will end up using the Godblast to finish him off.
And just as Superman always holds himself back, Thor does.

Superman What I mean by starter is that like when supes first started. And starter thor before ragnork. Not in the middle of the battle or the start.

Superman You just compared new Thor to starter Superman lol... New Thor would be vs. Superman prime: one million which is best forms of each hero. Superman prime is a sun god who is immortal, Thor is a god who is just below immortality and is not immortal like the creator said. Superman prime has warping abilities and can win the battle multiple ways. 1st battle takes place on the Sun, Superman is sun god so no way for Thor to win. 2nd Superman prime uses reality warp and puts Thor into endless vaccum of alternate realities to nothingness and wins. 3rd Superman prime is immortal and Thor is not so keep fighting for long time and Superman eventually wins... since the original battle is starter Thor vs Starter Superman even you admitted Superman wins so Superman wins any battle against Thor if we compare equal versions

Superman Imagine if it was blue

Thor Mjolnir definitely won't melt on the sun's heart wtf

Superman It can

Superman Superman can absorb it's power in seconds

Superman Yep there is a comic were superman was powerless when threre was no sun then he saw 7 suns and was next to there for seconds in each and then cause of that recharge he destroyed the world forger.

Superman Superman charges almost instantly in contact with sunlight.

not voted Superman speedbliztes him and gets amped off the sun while Mjolnir melts and Thor burns

Superman Yep agreed

Superman Hey what comic is that? number etc? thanks

Superman The Mighty Thor #705

Superman Oh cool.. thanks bro..I appreciate it..I'll look for it

Thor
Jason is just a shitty writer

Superman Well your comic reference seems very old. But mine is quite recent.

Superman That comic is probably worth alit of money though

Superman Why not download it from getcomics.com

Superman I download all my comics or read them online. They don't sell comics here in my country

Thor @RajinKabir doesn't matter if it's old Jason Aaron doesn't keep up with Thor lore and make him consistent. This was first, it's who Thor is intended to be

Thor
And more recent

Superman That's unclear. What happend next?? Which issue is it?? I would read it.

Superman A sundipped Superman is like a Superman on steroids and that's putting it lightly. He's constantly going to be recharging as an accelerated rate and his power levels will be far higher than usual. Meanwhile while the sun won't kill Thor it's not exactly doing him any good either.

Thor Yeah I know exactly how a sundipped Superman works and that's why I think people overrate him a lot, Thor still has better feats than a sundipped Sups does and these feats are done just by casuality.

Superman If you know how a sundipped Superman works then you should know he wins. Superman's already really close to Thor so buffing him up secures his victory

Superman They are equal in fighting. Both are equal in strength and can easily match up for hours. If the fight takes place in the sun. Superman doubles his strength while Thor doesn't get his powers from the sun. If Thor injures superman. The sun regenerates his cells and gets stronger each second when they are fighting close to the sun.

Thor Thor was't limited to just "injuring" him, I think he also has the ability to leave him K.O or kill him permanently.

Superman Kill him how? It's going to be much harder to do so with Superman getting stronger and stronger. He's not going to be able to smoke Superman in time

Superman @ Tyrannus agree with you...I've said this lits of times.. Superman is way more durable,much much faster and much stronger and more.powerful...got to give Thor credit cause he's friggin powerful too but have to give Thor credit because he's s tuff one to beat

Superman Jaeger are you serious!!

Thor Sure.

Superman @Jaeger07 seriously

Superman I think Superman punches hims I hard and take his head off if he really wanted that i agree with Bbq444
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Thor Your just a Thor fanboy

Superman I didn't think that before but now i am also suspecting that

Thor @Jongensoden Says the one who thinks Wanda beats TOAA lol

Superman Superman has fought tougher foes than Thor too. Moot point

Thor What happens is that Thor does it so casually...

Superman So does Superman. Let me pose you a hypothetical: You're having a contest to see who's phone runs out of power first between you and your friend. You start at 100% and your phone begins to drain. Your friend on the other hand, keeps his phone plugged in and it keeps charging the entire time. Who's phone will run out first? It's the same thing here.

Thor Your hypothesis is out of context here, because the phones don't fight each other nor give attacks to themself while competing to see which runs out of power first, Thor has countless hax and ways to end Sups definitively before he continues to recharge, as he has done multiple times with Galactus (for example) and believe me, Galactus is above a sundipped Superman.

Superman Superman without the sundip has fought me mxy, imperiex, the anti monitor, galactic golem, highfather, darkseid, parallax, and many more. With the sun, his power is going to constantly be going up. He and Thor are already close in a fight, if you give Superman the advantage of being inside of the sun his power will continue to rise with no foreseeable limit while Thor will be tiring himself out.

Superman I didn't say beat, i said fought. Phoenix is an outlier and he has never beaten galactus. It took his strongest attack to even hurt galactus at all.

Thor But Sups doesn't fight Mxy and all those characters every day, plus, I bet you don't have proof of a Superman base beating Mxy just like you said. While, Thor has made Galactus suffer MULTIPLE times and has been superior to the Phoenix Force on more than one occasion, that's what I meant by "Thor does it so casually" and that's why I said that Thor has several ways to defeat Sups before he even get tired.

Thor And already for having "fought" against these beings, your feat is impressive? the idea is that you beat them and it's what Thor has done with the ones I already mentioned

Superman And you're saying Thor fights phoenix and galactus and beats them every day? He's never beaten galactus and phoenix was an outlier.

Superman While both feats mentioned on either side is PIS, the point is any damage done by Thor to Superman will just be instantly healed over. Remember how the Sentry's skeleton kept healing back up even after being thrown in the sun? That's what's going to happen to Superman. Thor can't keep trying to vaporise him because it'd be futile. What's more, Superman's power levels are constantly growing meaning he won't be able to do that again. If Superman hadn't outclassed Thor yet, he will very soon after

Thor @Tyrannus Can you prove that a sundipped Superman has the same level of regeneration as Sentry?

Thor @Mr_Incognito That Thor has never defeated Galactus?



https://dreager1.com/2014/04/14/thor-vs-galactus/

Also, in what evidence do you base on to say that Phoenix is an outlier?

Superman @MrJaeger Well we know that when Superman was weakened by a kryptonite bullet inside him that Batman was still worried the wound would heal faster than he can react. And that's a weakened Superman, imagine sundipped?

Superman @Jaeger Thor just made him run away. Also Ego and Galactus had an intense battle right beforehand so Galan was weakened.

Thor @Tyrannus And that already proves that a sundipped Superman has the same Molecular regeneration as Sentry? haha no, you're comparison was very inaccurate

Thor @Mr_Incognito And what do you think? that the only way to beat someone is by killing them? no, making him run away is also a way to win and you should prove that Galactus was weakened while fighting Thor

Thor Also, I sent you 3 scans from different comics, which did you mean when you said that Galactus ran away?

Superman @MrJaeger Someone choosing to leave doesn't mean they've lost. Galactus took Odin's best hit and put him to sleep and he still left because the Asgardians bored him.
Also you ignored the point completely. If Superman's lower end of healing is healing faster than Batman then imagine a much more buffed version.

Superman But he doesn't increase his power while inside of it. Superman does.

Thor Fighting in the Sun doesn't make him invincible.

Superman Maybe not but that still gives him big advantage against thor

Thor @Michealdem17 Maybe, but that doesn't indicate that Superman would definitely win.

Thor Prove it.

Superman He only pushed against the wheel of the engine, and even if he was pushing the nine realms, one panel that says "potentially infinite" doesn't make it infinite.

Thor Incorrect. The scan states that the Nine Realms are just the tip of a maybe infinite iceberg. It goes on to say that the Realms are actually complex Universes. So Thor would have been pushing the weight of an entire Multiverse, of which the Universes inside are infinite in size.

Superman Of a "maybe" infinite iceberg. Maybe does not mean yes.

Thor It means if it isn't infinite, it is pretty d**n close to being infinite.

Thor Regardless, Thor pushed an infinite amount of weight.

Superman That was pre Ragnarok Yggdrasil which Thor pushed, AKA the one Thor blew up in Thor #85, meanwhile the one that was infinite was the post Ragnarok tree. They're different.

Thor Based on what evidence?

Superman Superman has also lifted infinite weight, and it was actually confirmed by the writer to be infinite. You're saying that regardless Thor lifted an infinite amount of weight because someone said it was maybe infinite. There is no "regardless" here. Maybe infinite doesn't mean it was infinite. If i'm maybe going to drive to the store, that doesn't mean i am. It means I potentially am.

Thor I'm sorry. I fail to understand how you think Superman would be able to defeat Thor. What is Superman going to do?

Superman He's going to absorb solar energy from the sun, you know... the source of his power, and grow much stronger. In only minutes of sundip, Superman was so powerful he pushed against Warworld, a planet larger than earth and apokolips that was being powered by Imperiex who has the power of the big bang itself.



It also had its thrusters pushing against him at full speed, which can move the planet at light speeds. So not only did he push a planet weighing octillions of tons, but it was moving at light speed against him and was being powered by the big bang, which is universal. This was only a couple of minutes in the sun. He pushed against the power of the universe itself.

Thor So he is going to push Thor? You do understand that is a weak argument, right? Even then, how does that prove he pushed against the power of the Universe? Lmao. That is so out of context.

Superman The point is that it makes him more powerful. That was just an example of how much it amps his power. Imperiex was inside of Warworld at the time and was pushing back against Superman. Imperiex is powered by the big bang, a universal event. So Superman pushed against a planet much larger than earth containing a being powered by the big bang. Not sure how that is "out of context."

Thor Okay, but how is Superman getting more powerful going to make it to where he can defeat Thor? What is he going to do? What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex was "pushing back against Superman?" What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex's power comes from the Big Bang? What evidence do you have that suggests Superman was only in the Sun for a couple of minutes? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld weighs more than the Earth (Notice how I said 'weighs more' and not 'is larger'. Something can be larger than something, but that doesn't mean it weighs more)? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld weighs more than Apokolips? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters were going at full speed? What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters can move the planet at speeds faster than light? What evidence do you have that suggest Warworld weighs octillions of tons? Not that any of that holds any relevancy as it pertains to Superman being able to defeat Thor, though. You made eight claims that have no evidence supporting them. That is why it is out of context. Keep in mind that this isn't even canon Superman, but I'll let it slide just for argument's sake.

Thor Also, are you ever going to respond to our discussion regarding Thor vs normal Superman?

Superman Imperiex having the big bang's power

He can eradicate the universe

The scan i already showed stated it was using its thrusters at max power.
For the weight: Here is the calculation.
Superman said war world had the same mass, size etc... as Pluto.
Pluto's mass is 13,090,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg which is 14 Quintillion tons(14,429,255,060,000,237,568 tons specifically)
Since war world's thrusters enable it to move beyond light speed and it used it's thrusters in an attempt to prevent Superman from pushing it, you'd have to apply the momentum = velocity(m/s meters per second) x mass(kg) formula to get the true mass that Superman was actually pushing which would be far beyond just Pluto's mass.

13,140,000,000,000,000,000,000(Pluto's mass) kg x 299,792,458(speed of light in m/s) = 3,924,283,275,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

In tons that would be 4.3 Octillion tons(4,325,781,841,303,900,090,000,000,000 tons)

The combined forces of Apokolips, Earth and Brainiac's gigantic Warworld managed to defeat Imperiex. Brainiac-13 then betrayed his allies and absorbed Imperiex's powers for himself. Superman had just been super-charged by a visit to the sun so Superman managed to somehow lift Warworld itself, a planet that dwarfed both Earth and Apokolips and sent it and Imperiex back in time to the original big bang.

Superman @Sirspidey I don't know, it was getting pretty toxic and i try to pick my battles. I don't like going in circles.

Thor I like how you managed to not answer two of the most important questions out of the eight. What evidence do you have that suggests Imperiex was "pushing back against Superman?" What evidence do you have that suggests Warworld's thrusters can move the planet at speeds faster than light?

Thor Okay, then quit being toxic and quit going in circles. You said you would debate me if I didn't insult you and I said okay. Are you a man of your word, or are you going to chicken out?

Superman Stop accusing me of things that i'm pointing out you doing. I fail to remember you ever saying ok, but if i'm mistaken then i say let's do it. I can anticipate lots of ad hominem and bad arguments, but so be it.

Thor You never specified who you were talking about. In fact, you even said, "*I* don't like going in circles", so that is on you. The only reason you wouldn't have seen me saying okay is if you didn't read what was last said. Did you not read my response? Anyways, yes, let's do it. Just start it in our conversation on the Thor vs Superman page. And keep convincing yourself that I'm going to insult you so you don't have to finish the debate. I love me an opponent, but do you know what I love more? An unprepared opponent. So prepare yourself.

Superman Dude, i've seen past debates you've had. You can't pull the wool over my eyes. You yourself have admitted that a lot of your debates go to ad hominem and that you even like being insulted. I'm not sure how me pointing this out makes me unprepared.

Thor Also, which version of Superman? Is it cannon Superman or no?

Superman I'm fine if you start, by all means. What is "canon Superman" in your eyes? You need to bring actual evidence to the table of what "canon" superman is, not just you saying so

Thor Canon Superman is Rebirth Superman, unless DC recently did another reboot of Superman that I don't know of.

Superman Saying stuff like "chicken out" makes you sound like you're 10 years old.

Superman Mr_Incognito actually not only has he pushed a planet weighing octillion of tons he has towed many planets at a time..so he has pushed or towed probably for arguments sake Untrigintillion tons..take a lol at the scale..it's insane..he's much stronger than Thor and like I said more durable and faster..maybe not as good as a fighter..have to give Thor combat advantage without a doubt

Thor Thor has casual conversations with the god of the Sun in the center of the Sun. We wouldn't be remotely affected by the heat of the Sun. And it isn't far off to say that Thor could just absorb the energy of the Sun into Mjolnir and leave Superman without a source of energy.

Superman Hmmwell.movie version left Thor very weak taking on the full force of a star..but that's a movie,not sure about Comics

Thor Good one.

Superman Then he would find another sun cause he he fly probably faster than the speed of light,if Thor is even capable of destroying a sun..how would he be bake to do this feat?? curious.its not like he has super breath and can freeze it like Superman..you can't punch the sun cause it really has no surface,so maybe you can explain that?? thanks

Superman Superman wouldn't just sit there and let that happen. Also, he can just fly to another, and with his superior speed + maneuverability, he can do that no problem.

Superman Thor cannot beat Superman is stronger from the sun. Superman is wins.

I told you. Only Sun-Eater. Sun-Eater can stole power superman, then Sun-Eater will destroy the sun.

Thor It definitely will

Superman Agreed..but now he will be constantly strong..buteven without being close to sun supes would take this..I'm not saying easy but he would.... Thor has combat advantage...but Superman is way more stronger,durable and faster..I would say they are on same level for intelligence..

Superman Without the sun he'd lose. Thor's more durable and with mjolnir he's stronger. It's the sun that give him that win.

Neutral It's not about if Thor has a problem with the sun, it's about how powerful Superman gets inside it.

Superman Okay. I just edited my comment so will you give it a re-read?

Superman thor has no problem in sun ,



but superman gonna win via he got more power ,

Superman @BlotskyA .thor loses to galactus ,he taken attacks yeah ? what's that means ? thor almost die from a punch from galactus

Superman the void wasn't fullpowerd this time and sentry ask him to kill the void before he got more powerful,also superman was able to beat ,doomsday ,darkseid 50% avatar

Superman Solomon Grundy loses to superman ,but Solomon Grundy is a superman hard opposite

Superman is DC'S Hulk ur OC ?

Superman That's PIS @Breaker, Thor can literally die in the sun https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f6d14e3c2f46d3ab4ed264fac8929025

Superman number 1 : this is unworthy thor

number 2 : i see no damage for thor here

number 3 : you're the only one who says PIS

Superman Your underestimated Superman..he could easily take attacks rrom those guys and actually be able to beat some of them