BatmanvsCaptain America
Created by Tbanger18
716 wins (61%)
16 (1.4%)
442 wins (37.6%)
| Captain AmericaSteve RogersEarth-616 |
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Created by Tbanger18
| Captain AmericaSteve RogersEarth-616 |
"A genius billionaire playboy philanthropist vs a dude on steroids"
Saying he has gadgets is a cop out. What gadgets help?
Being smarter doesn't help much here especially since CA's mind has been altered to work far faster than the human mind can comprehend.
Who also says Batman is the better fighter. CA has fought the best in Marvel and beaten them.
If CA threw the shield at Batman, he ain't catching it. It'll go right threw his chest.
The fight isn't going to be in a place that gives either side an advantage.
Batman can't hide from Superman. They don't show Superman catching Batman because then it ruins Batman's image.
"No dude, you have to use that on a different profile not here."
You can make a variation of a battle, stating something like; the best version of each.
In general, the battles are about the exact character versions you pick.
You are free to create a battle with Tony vs Bruce and say that they both can pick their most powerful armour.
THAT IS just stupid! Because Batman ain't going to fight Iron man who has armor while Batman doesn't into that fight you know? Batman will have to call for support so that way it can be a fair fight. Get what I mean now?
There is just not one Batman -vs- Iron Man battle. You pick the version of both and choose a winner. That's how it works. It's not 'just stupid',...
Think about it for a moment before reacting.
And when we create these battles, it because we want to see if BASE Batman or BASE Iron Man can beat whoever.
This is another problem I have with the Batman winning argument. You guys think that Batman can bring out literally anything mid fight. He doesn't carry the universe in his belt you know.
All physical and mental attributes is raised to theoretical perfection of the human species.
Captain America is a super soldier because of a serum enhancing him beyond any human in history or the future.
Bruce Wayne is not enhanced by a serum or other types of ultra technology like cybertechnology or genetic engineering.
Batman is a supernormal a human at the very peak of human potential.
The Dark knight may beat more powerful adversarys than himself perhaps even some Low level metahumans. Because of superior skills, equipment and a strategic mind he may come up with amazing tactics.
Captain America is about the equal in combat skill at least when using the shield.
He is also a strategic master mind using the very best tactics to put his adversarys down for the count.
In the same way Batman beats more powerful enemies than himself Captain America does the very same thing.
Batman brings more weapons and equipment to the fight this is perhaps his only real advantage.
What gives more of an advantage, superior physical and mental abilitys or more equipment ?
I belive the enhanced abilitys is superior to more weapons and equipment.
Also Captain America got the single best weapon, his incredible shield.
Batman would put up a very strong fight because of equal skills, strategics and better versatility but Captain America winns.
That serum is awesome to have...I wouldn't pass that up
Yes but it's fun..so many outcomes but honestly it can go both ways ..a few punches from cap in the right areas would MAYBE lay out Batman..I can't imagine what Batman would be able to do with the super soldier serum he would be extremely powerful
I'm sorry Batman dodges everything he brings to him and makes this fight go for awhile slowly picking at captain America by kicking his ass punch after lunch kick after kick and breaking limb after limb and pulverize him...even if cap got one shot his armor will take most of that..Batman can take a bullet to the head..now this is without gadgets and batmobile etc..Batman gets into the batmobile we have to Captain America is laying on the floor crawling and hits the button the red button and blows him apart the end
This is why I feel even more confident CA wins because the amount of people assuming he's just some common thug shows the people voting Batman are only doing so out of ignorance of CA.
For the record CA's the only one of the 2 who actually can survive a shot to the head.
Your assuming Batman can too but he can't.
Also why did you just tell me a fan fic story of their fight?
When Batman fought Bane 1 on 1 fairly. Bane actually overpowered him.
Batman recognises when he's facing a better opponent which is why he usually cheats to win. In a fair fight though, CA wins.
He also can punch through bricks and can break down doors with his hands. Batman is easily the better fighter as well.
Batman is shown to stalemate Death stroke once here. https://imgur.com/a/vIjK3Jp and while Deathstroke is a better fighter than Captain without a doubt. This just shows that Batman is easily on top of Captain.
Here's my point though. Batman always needs his gadgets to win. So it'll come down to the methodical mind of Batman. Of how to win this fight. Captain is a good hero but he can't analyze Batman like he'll do to Cap. Batman is much much more smarter than Captain. He'll find out Captain's weakness before Captain finds out his. Batman's the world's greatest detective. Have we ever seen Captain be a detective like Batman? Nope Batman is better with analyzing. So he'll figure out what to use and then exploit it to beat Captain America.
That stalemate against Deathstroke was as good as it gets for Batman. More often than not he loses.
CA can see and analyse the situation far faster than an unaltered human like Batman.
Now to the next part. I believe Batman is a way better tactician who uses tactics to beat most of his enemies. And he is a way better fighter as he knows every martial art on earth and even some kryptonian Superman teached him. He even created his own fighting style to counter people who can copy or use the same fighting style like him. He knows over 410 ways to take someone out without drawing blood and knows every pressure point and nerve strike. Now for the shield i believe Batman has superior gear and could disarm him. Not to forget Captain America is not durable enough to tank bullets
Deathstroke has won more times against Batman though.
Batman seemed to use not just his legs, but the force of his whole body to steer the plane with the help of Batrope. Cap was able to manually spin a jet’s wingflap to prevent it from flying.
Cap is able to dig his fingers into concrete just by climbing up a wall.
He can take out a bar full of armed Dalk Elves while being unarmed. All of them have superhuman strength.
Cap has been hailed as the world’s greatest tactician many times and the greatest tactician the Avengers have ever known.
About fighting skills, I need to know where you would place Batman among the best fighters in Marvel (like Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Wolverine, Taskmaster, Black Panther). A lot of Cap’s combat feats are related to the best fighters in Marvel so I first need to know your perspective. I would just state for now that he has mastered every form of combat on Earth, and this is from the 6th issue of the Avengers, I can confidently say he has like more than 150 to even 200 years if combat experience from then on. Spidey has said Cap has no moves, and he can fight in a way which even Taskmaster doesn’t know (who has been stated to know every fighting style on many occasions).
Cap has such a good control over his shield that it would come to him even if he whistles for it and can even make for the most microscopic imperfections. Disarming him is not easy, if it was then everyone would have tried to do that.
Sometimes, Cap is shown to suffer very less injuries from bullets, and also his chainmail is bulletproof at times. Regardless, yes he has himself accepted he isn’t bulletproof. But he is a casual bullet timer and that’s what his shield is for. He was trying to help the woman and she shot him unexpectedly. In fact, him not reacting to it can be argued as PIS, as he can react to bullets without even looking at them and can even react to Mjolnir which is casually MFTL+.
In the end bruce was caught offgaurd through his endless talking which is undoubtedly his fault. Batman was also able to crush a gun with his grip.
Cap can take out a Riotbot designed to withstand a whole regiment easily and can even put his hand straight through a robot (not even a punch, just straight up puts his hand through a robot like it's nothing).
Fair point that they are equal in Rebirth, although Deathstroke tends to win if you take his other fights. Even though he was fighting like an amateur and was slower and weaker (he also says he could take him out with three moves if he was his usual self), he still overpowers him and was about to win till Harley interfered and still kept going.
Tbh the Rebirth fight was in the Batcave and Batman had help from bats so there's that.
Cap also snapped a gun.
Yes Batman should be able to hold his own. They have enough feats to show that both are superhuman and are peak human only by statements.
I agree that resisting the pull of a rocket is more impressive but if you just compare the concrete crushing aspect of it, Cap's feat was more impressive. The rocket was pulling Batman so he gripped on concrete and the pull of the rocket allowed him to crush the concrete. Cap did it on his own without any external agent. Batman's feat is overall more impressive but I was only talking about the concrete crushing part of it.
You said in messages that Batman is likely below Shang Chi, BP and maybe Iron Fist in combat. Let's see how good of a fighter Cap is compared to these three.
He is an OVERALL better fighter than Shang Chi.
Acknowledges Iron Fist as a good martial artist but he is just not good enough for Cap.
Counters every move of BP and can instinctively adapt to every situation and fighting style despite Cap's heart not being in combat as confirmed by BP.
Kang considers him to be the finest warrior of the age.
Wolverine, who has mastered every fighting style on Earth, considers Cap to be a better fighter than Shang Chi, Hawkeye and Iron Fist. (Look how he says "includin' the likes a' Shang Chi, Hawkeye, Iron Fist and even Captain America himself". Its clear from how he says "even Captain America himself" that he considers Cap to be the best fighter.)
And guess what Cap trained Hawkeye who was mentioned by Wolverine earlier in my last scan along with some of the best fighters like Shang Chi, Iron Fist and Cap.
I don't know about Beast disarming Cap (Btw here is Cap negging Beast, a 10 tonner easily).
I don't think you have seen the whole Crossbones vs Captain America fight. Cap was getting distracted by flashbacks of Bucky and Zemo, even admitting that he was not able to focus because of that and was never going to win the fight.
Even without the SS serum, Cap was able to defeat Crossbones and defeated Crossbones in just 3 punches after getting his powers back.
Willpower is tough to decide tbh. Cap does have the strongest willpower on Earth (which means he has more willpower than Doom and Thing). Even Galactus was impressed when Cap did not fall for the ultimate nullifier's power while every single one of those who attempted to wield it had failed and even broke free from an illusion from the cosmic cube itself and destroyed the Forever crystal for good despite the fact that he wanted to change the past personal tragedies in his life with it. Doom, even after getting the Beyonder's powers feared Cap might beat him because people like Cap always find a way in the end.
Cap was trapped in Korvac's time loops, and each loop can last around 50 years, and every time Korvac resetted a loop, Cap was allowed to retain his memories. Captain went through multiple time loops (atleast 5 times but there is no proof that every time loop is 50 years long so one can only guess as to how many years exactly was he trapped in the loops).
And he also spent 12 years in Dimension Z and returned to Earth on the same day. Add Koravc's time loops (probably more than 100 or even 150 years), his time in Dimension Z, his time in World War II and as a hero in the modern time, you can easily say he can have around 150-200 years of experience.
.even what bane takes, venom..or black panther..
But then Bats is smarter
Also Bats is faster
I don’t know who is more durable but Cap has his shield to take attacks so I will give this to him
Batman is the better tactician/fighter so I would ultimately give it to bats after a long fight, bats 6/10
He once moved faster than bullets (speed of sound) from a revolver.
And cap casually runs over 60mph
Batman has also faced up an opponent like Captain America before. He's taken blows from Darkseid before. Also he one-handly picked up solomon grundy with one hand who weighs above 500 pounds. He's also ran so fast that he could catch up to a car. The most important thing that Batman has in this fight is his gadgets. The gadgets are the most super unpredictability Batman has.
Also you thinking here is flawed. Your trying to bring CA down to Batman's level when that's not the case. They both train as hard as they're body can take but CA was given the SSS which made him above and beyond what was humanly possible. Your imagining the SSS as just a normal steroid when its not.
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Cap will try and get up from the fight but Batman oofs him in time
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I personally think the fight could go either way, but since I like Batman more, I'll vote him.
Batman defeated Cap in a crossover
2. When do bullets appear in slow motion to Batman?
3. Do you even know anything about Captain America?
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
And even then he could try dodging or neutralizing it. How fast does his shield go?
Batman's suit shouldn't be denser than an entire tank.
He was able to throw his shield at a missile that had already taken off and shatter it.
This again demonstrates his speed, precision and strength.
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
Being frozen doesn't automatically make him inferior. CA's been around for longer so he knows the old ways and the new. He's trained with the best and beaten them all. BP's the only one who he can't consistently beat.
Cap honestly stomps, what advantage does batman even have?
Cap is also way stronger
He's also way faster.
Batman's only advantage is intelligence, and in terms of battle strategy, I would give cap the advantage anyways.
I agree
I agree
Batman is the superior fighter, way more intelligent and quick witted, and also his gadgets give him much more versatility.
He's barely smarter in a sense of quick-wit combat decisions, so it's his gadgets against a superhuman with an indestructible shield who's a better fighter than him.
Again, you’d have to be smoking to think Cap is the superior fighter. Batman could take him out with pressure points or use one of his many lethal gadgets. There’s also the fact that Batman could easily use his stealth to win. He had snuck around Superman without him knowing. If he can sneak around Superman’s hearing, it would be a cakewalk against Cap.
Captain America learns fighting styles as he see's them, and even figures out how to beat taskmaster. He's also more experienced.
And you are acting like Batman does not consistently fight charachters stronger then him and win.
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
Cap is stronger, faster, tougher and has the vibranium shield. Batman is smarter and is almost the better combatant.
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
He's fought Deathstroke without prep, and lost every time. Even when he had prep, DS still gave him a very hard fight.
Your mentioning people he fought but didn't beat. In that case, CA fought Thanos. Does he win?
Cap is stronger, faster, tougher and has the vibranium shield. Batman is smarter and is almost the better combatant.
Experience is equaled I believe.
Cap just throws the Shield at batman and that's it. Completely knocked out. No prep so he can't grapple in time before cap's shield gets to bat's head. He does not have the armored batman suit in this, this is a random encounter.
Cap is also more thiccer o7
Look carefully at the fight there is no prep.
Cap faced Thanos with IG with no prep.
I'm a bat fan, but statistics don't lie bitch. It all depends on the point of view.
Bane tends to have the upper hand on Batman in their fights and actually has a few good wins.
@Drmanhattan42 Bane's skills really don't compare to CA. Also comparing CA to just a normal just on steroids is nothing like CA at all.
He also is in peak human condition, and his attributes exceeds that of an Olympic athlete; and was strong enough to break a motorcycle with a single kick, pierce an android's skull by throwing a coin, and has endured the gravity of Kandor, which is 5x the gravity of Earth. In speed terms, his punches, kicks, are just blurs in combat; and was able to land a few blows on Amazo and Reverse Flash.
Not to mention, he also has an arsenal of gadgets, equipment, suits, and vehicles, having a lot of material to work around.
He was actually losing to TBWL until Joker saved him.
CA's stamina has been boosted beyond that and so has his mind making him plan much faster than Batman can.
Long story short, anything Batman can do, CA can do better.
Winner goes to the guy with a space satellite
Cap is stronger and has faster reflexs and is faster also has the worlds strongest sheild.
But batman is close to caps as a physical match however caps a bit better but batman does have very good gadets and could stick and explsive in caps shelid or do something very smart he is on the level of tony at iq so he could think of something smart. However if it was cap with hammer cap stomps.
why?
Batman fights his physical superiors all the time and still comes out on top.
If he can sneak around Superman's super hearing he could absolutely ambush or get the drop on Cap.
Batman knows how to use his environment to his advantage and is also more intelligent. Cap doesn't have many weapons of his own while Batman has a whole belt full of them, which could turn the tide such as electric gloves, explosive batarangs, and smoke bombs. Cap has his shield, but not something like an adamantium sword that could cut through Batman's armor.
These two characters both have some of the strongest will around, so this is no easy fight. Cap is Batman's physical superior no question, but Batman has the brains, superior h2h and weapon-based combat training, and gadgets that would give him the win.
@jong You've always argued against CA being Batman's physical superior.
Without prep time batman
@jong They won't matter if he's physically outclassed
He's still not above DS. He admitted he was distracted otherwise he wouldn't have lost.
Dionesium isn't canon.
The dionesium hasn't really shown to have changed him physically all that much.
2) He has taken electricity before and he's been fine.
Think of it this way, Batman's at 100% physical capacity that a human can achieve. CA is at 300%.
Being academically smarter won't help too much in a fight.
I literally just proved he trained in the military.
Batman's feats are just as impressive as Captain America's ...and are humanly impossible, but not according to the comics
All his feats have been rightfully surpassed by CA.
I agree with you both.., Batman is clearly the better fighter..the only reason captain America is able to do what he does is the serum...it's like Bruce Lee vs someone triple his size on POWERFUL drugs...Bruce Lee would take him out quickly..Batman is like Bruce Lee but in the comics he's even better...
Took the original version of the Bane venom
"Superman & Batman: Generations" 1999:
Used the Lazarus pit
"Superman/Batman" #53-56 (2008):
Magically gained Superman's abilities in a fight with Banshee
"Trinity" (2008)
Bruce became a god called Atmahn the Night Judge
"Batman: The Dark Knight/ Knight Terrors" (2011):
Fear toxin gives him super strength, enough to hurt Superman in a fair fight
"Injustice: Gods Among Us Year Five" #25:
Batman takes synthesized version of Alex Luthor's 5-U-93-R drug and beats Superman into submission
"Justice League" #38:
Amazo virus
"Darkseid War" 2015:
Mobius chair makes him god of knowledge
Bruce has also been a green, yellow, and white lantern at different times
I don't know why you brought up lanterns when this is base Batman
Batman would make a better yellow lantern than a green.
If we go with base versions then CA is boosted more than a normal human
CA's improved mind makes him a far better strategist than Batman ever could.
2) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659944798081384449/713866260206714880/capisskilled1.jpg, https://imgur.com/a/6b9UN#0 - Cache, who has cataloged and knows every fighting style on the planet (something you said was Cap's limits) got absolutely trashed by Cap who even stated he was better than just "knowing" every fighting style on Earth, however, the thing was that Cache simply didn't know every fighting skill on the planet. He knew everything there was to know about the fighting skills and knew how to use them to their utmost ability. He was the "keeper of all knowledge".
3) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659944798081384449/713866257291542548/capisveryskilled1.jpg Even if Cap doesn't know something that Batman does (which is unlikely), regardless of how smart Batman is... Cap's brain was engineered to be faster and superior to that of a normal human. He is one of the best tacticians, not just on Earth, but in the universe. Kang even stated that Captain America adapted to master a fighting style in a very short period of time (you can say it's seconds, minutes at max) better than a person who spent DECADES mastering that one fighting style.
Steve has also fought some of the best fighters on the planet like Daredevil, Black Widow, Wolverine, Deadpool, Taskmaster, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Black Panther with some of them mastering every single fighting style on the planet and even beyond the planet.
2) Just because it's an android doesn't mean it's fodder. It can literally master any and all fighting styles and fighting counters just because of its superintelligence. Even if you make the argument that it only knows the martial arts, Cap would be much better than it and that stacks up to him fighting and beating some of the best martial artists in all of Marvel. He's at the very least, extremely close to Batman in skill, but more likely, he's equal. If you keep trying to find methods to try to make Cap seem weaker, it's just going to make it harder to convince anyone that Batman is better. I used to think this was a very, very, very close fight. I still find it debatable, but not that close. It's definitely easier than what I previously thought it to be.
3) Cap can understand and master fighting skills on the fly. Batman is smarter overall, but it wasn't only his physical body that was enhanced to superhuman levels via the serum. Cap's mind was too. He's smarter than a normal person and his brain is wired to think quickly and efficiently. Like I said, if there is something Cap doesn't know, he can learn it during the fight.
I don't really care if Batman fought the best fighters. I know he has, but on that note, he's kind of also lost to people who were physically superior to him if they had the intelligence to keep up or people who, frankly, were far better combatants than him. Deathstroke is an opponent Batman regularly struggles with. Captain America is closer to Deathstroke than he is to Batman. He's physically superior, exactly like Deathstroke, has the mind to think like Deathstroke, and he's at the very least, an equal but most likely, superior combatant to Deathstroke armed with an offensive and defensive weapon better than Deathstroke's suit. The only difference between them is that Deathstroke carries more lethal weaponry and could be argued to be slightly superior in stats (same could be said for Cap though)...
faster stronger and better trained wich makes sense why do you think its easier now ? 3 so can Batman not as fast but he still can i don't know where you get it from that batman did need a decade for 1 martial art Cap is not superhuman the comics always mention him as peakhuman and superhuman by comic standards don't exists like i have already proven Batman has eiditic memory he never forgeys anything he Sees and remembers it 100 percent it's not as good as Cap his but still good 4 psychically superior? Batman consistently beats stronger charachters Solomon grundy Killer Croc Clayface etc and Bane who is even close to him in intelligence and is also a good fighter Batman lost to better combatants but he all gave them good fights before this is Post Crisis but if we are talking rebirth Deathstroke outright talks about how skilled of a fighter Batman is, how strong and serious of a fighter he is, and talks about how he cannot take him lightly hell deathstroke was even afraid of going to Gotham because of him Deathstroke has way faster reflexes and Senses he has kinda something like spiderman his spider Sense he also reacts as fast as he thinks he has also the strength of 100 men wich is 8 ton Cap is a better fighter then deathstroke but so is batman Deathstroke has way more powerfull gear so deathstroke>cap
He's shown to memorise pages and pages of nuclear codes instantly.
Batman's appeared way way more than CA has so that argument can be used against him.
Punching through bazooka-proof glass
Chopping bricks and kicking down trees with his bare hands and feet
Hits Dr. Death through a door used to withstand missiles.
If Steve becomes aware of the fight, then Batman loses.
Captain America is superior in every way physically.
For that appears to be an outlier. He was struggling
Prove that he can survive atomic bomb
Captain America wins 8 out of 100. Give Batman preptime, Captain America wins 6 out of 10. Give both prep time, Captain America wins 7 out of 10.
Bats is a peak human with a genius-level intellect, a belt full of weapons, and a mastery of all fighting styles.
Call it plot armor if you like, but Batman has fought people just as superhuman and even metahuman and came out on top.
And yes, Captain America knows every single martial art on the planet and is one of the most skilled fighters in all of Marvel Comics.
1. Scan? I need some proof that Cap knows all fighting styles on the planet.
2. Knowing a fighting style and mastering a fighting style are two very different things. Cap knowing all fighting styles is very different from him mastering them all (which Batman has). I'm not trying to downplay his fighting ability, but he's not as skilled in combat as Batman.
2) Scans of him changing a plane with his legs.
Until Batman gets boosted he will lose. It's why he's not superhuman
It was actually you who lied when you said IG Thanos never hit Cap. I said to you don't pretend to know but you insisted you did until I proved you wrong.
Is that it? 2 examples where it was me who debunked you and found you a liar.
Where's you proof Batman could lift it with the shield?
You claimed Thanos never hit him.
Batman is a man and still has less willpower than CA
No proof batman's comparable strength.
Already shown he has less will than CA
You've never proven he has comparable will or strength.
You failed to show proof Batman is stringer or has better will so you concede.
These are my 2 favorite heroes. However, there is just no question here, Cap outclasses Batman. Cap is by far physically superior in every category. He also matches Batman in fighting skill but has better reflexes. Caps shield will also make up for the gap that Batman presents in versatility.
Cap 8 out of 10.
Batman could get those 2 out of 10 due to his brain not his braun.
Batman wins 6 or 7 out of 10 times
You assume he can disarm Cap but he never will.
Batman can beat people faster than him but that doesn't mean he's as fast. Superman's also stopped Flash. Doesn't mean he's as fast.
his gadgets could oneshot An enhanced emperor penguin explosives wich can send superman flying back electric bombs wich Hurt zod drones with fear gas energy blasts wich can harm deathstroke he has to much versatilty
Less skilled people don't disarm Cap's shiled.
If anything we're underrating the shield. All Cap needs to do is throw it at Batman and he'd die. He's blocked bullets in all directions. A few batterangs or bombs won't be much.
You made an interesting point though. You said Batman wins because of his gear. So you accept Cap is physically better than Batman?
Those people are very different to Batman. He can't do the same.
He threw it slower those times because he doesn't kill unless he really needs to.
Cap would block all the batterangs like he's done to the hundreds of bullets that have come his way.
The shield doesn't become useless to electricity.
Your sentences don't make sense so I don't know what your saying.
Cap would kill him if he wanted.
Marvel's official description on what the SSS did to Cap; "which induced greater-mutations than peak human capabilities". Batman is only peak which is why he says to Cap that he would win.
The shield blocks all gadgets. If it can stop the Hulk it will stop Batman. No one like Batman has been able to disarm the shield.
You said they were comparible psychically. Really Cap thinks far quicker and plans better because of the SSS so Cap has him beat physically and mentally.
Batman is a very proud man so he wouldn't admit that unless it was fact. The writers wrote what Batman would say.
How else do you fight if not physically? Are they playing chess?
Batman is not Winter Soldier or Daredevil. They're different and if Cap doesn't want anyone taking his shield, Batman never will.
The shield's taken worse.
Cap is not Blockbuster. Being boosted means a lot though given Deathstroke beats him all the time. Taskmaster knows all h2h combat in Marvel yet he loses to Cap because he's stronger.
I showed you every time that Cap changed a plane too but also surpasses him every time.
Blockbuster is not Cap at all. Neither are Batman's villains. Cap beat Taskmaster, Iron Fist and Wolverine. I'm guessing that means he beats Batman too then.
The fact that you tried to compare the villains to Cap shows a severe lack of understanding for Cap. Please research him first so you'll see he wins. Don't pretend to know him.
Batman doesn't know every move Taskmaster does so no Batman would lose again.
Even Batman disagrees with you.
Stop ignoring Cap's feats. They are more consistent and more 'realistic' than Batman's peak human feats. Batman is peak. Cap is enhanced.
I mentioned the skyscraper while Batman just lifted rubble many times.
Deathstroke's also boosted and wipes the floor with Batman. So by your logic Cap wins then right?
Cap has beaten Wolverine every time except in Wolverine: Origins so your lying again. Taskmaster and Iron Fist could beat Batman.
Again you lie because Karate Kid is the only person in DC who know every move in DC.
Your credibility is crumbling.
According to the crossover Batman said he'd lose.
You never debunked the shield because I told you literally every time that the shield can't lift weight, Cap can.
Batman loses to Deathstroke who's boosted so that doesn't matter.
Did you even read AvX? They barely fight and the best thing Wolverine does is cut the straps on his shield before Cap beats him out of the plane.
Don't pretend Batman knows everything Taskmaster does. I said Iron Fist COULD beat Batman.
You claimed Batman knows every fighting style. If that was the case he shouldn't lose to Lady Shiva, Cass, Deathstoke, Bane and Prometheus.
You have been caught lying many times now and known to be severely biased.
It took a lot for Batman to admit he'd lose so that means it's likely.
Batman doesn't have the shield, Cap does. The shield isn't wider than his arms.
Deathsroke's boosted and so he consistently beats Batman. It is relevant, its the reason Cap wins.
Wolverine outlasted Cap once. He lost every other time.
Cap beats Batman the same way he beat Taskmaster. Batman certainly doesn't know everything Taskmaster did. Your wrong.
Your wrong again.
I have no idea what your saying. Improve your grammar.
@Tyrannus is right, you need to add periods, because I'm having a hard time understanding what you're writing.
You've never shown any strength feats that top Cap you just keep imagining Batman has the shield which he doesn't.
Don't know what you said towards the end because your not improving your grammar.
You didn't show many feats. You showed Batman lifting rubble while I showed Cap holding a skyscraper.
Cap is faster because of the SSS.
No it was the whole skyscraper that had fallen on him.
The SSS makes you faster than humanly possible.
Cap is faster than Batman ever can be.
Cap's arms are wider than the shield
No idea what you said
Tagging speedsters has already been debunked.
Don't compare them physically when Cap is clearly superior. You thought the SSS brought Cap to Batman's levels at one point which is plain wrong.
Batman cannot disarm Cap's shield. He's weaker.
You ended up saying he can only sneak up on speedsters not actually react to them.
The SSS is the main one. I've told you more reasons before.
I've already told you it's not possible to train to Cap's level. You may want that to be the case but it can't happen. Cap has the SSS and trains.
Feats and facts still show Cap is superior.
Batman cannot disarm Cap. Many have tried and failed.
No it's the other way round. If Batman can do it, Cap can do it better because he's boosted.
Batman didn't train in the army, learn the ways of Kun Lun or study and beat Shang-Chi.
Batman's feats are not comparable. They all go to Cap.
If Cap wanted to he would destroy Winter Soldier.
You need to put full stops or paragraphs. I'm struggling to understand what your saying. It doesn't make sense.
Name feats that Cap hasn't been able to surpass?
Batman doesn't know every martial art on earth. Only Karate Kid does.
Cap also knows these things. If Cap doesn't want you disarming him, you won't be able to disarm him.
Only Karate Kid knows everything becasue he's from the future. If Batman knew everything he shouldn't ever lose fights.
I said Cap wouldn't let Batman disarm him. Where'd you get disarming himself from?
https://images.app.goo.gl/Ssi8yHXpdWfDxMYT8
It doesn't mean however that Batman can never lose. He was talking about common thugs who say that
Oh, and @Tyrannus thanks for being reasonable.
Cap's arguably the best fighter in Marvel. Assuming Batman is better h2h it wouldn't be by much and Batman wouldn't be able to land a hit. Cap is faster and even if he slipped up, he can tank everything Batman has. Saying Cap has mastered nothing is plain wrong.
Name all the normal people who consistently beat Cap.
Feats and facts show Cap has better durability
cap lost to hawkeye kingpin crossbones etc nope feats show batman having greater durability and pain resistance
So you agree Deathstroke>Cap>Batman=Bane?
Cap doesn't lose to those guys consistently and he's beaten them back at some point.
No proof Batman's more durable given that Cap's boosted.
The shield broke. I don't think you know what happened. If the shield protected Cap how did Cap lose?
You've proven your bias again. Bane has beaten Batman fairly before and if Batman can barely beat Bane, Cap definitely do so.
More empty claims.
The shield is part of who Cap is. Batman doesn't have the shield.
The shield shattered, it didn't swipe away.
Yeah if Batman struggled to beat Bane Cap definitely will.
Not sure what you said with the rest.
The shield is part of who Cap is so is relevant. It helps him win.
The skyscraper was far more than 2 tons
Cap is physically superior!
Year zero placed Batman's age at 35 so to say he's fought a war for 37 is wrong.
You've never shown that Batman can do the same.
Actually did what?
The shield doesn't lift things by itself. It needs someone to lift it. It's not alive.
What's Deathstroke supposedly fearing Batman got to do with anything.
Deathstroke>Cap>Bane>Batman
https://imgur.com/t/batman/mqJjQ3n
Strength :- Batman
Durable :- Batman
Speed :- Batman
X-factor :- Batman
Combat :- Batman
Equipment :- Batman
Anybody has problem with it feel free to reply me
If you want to look at strength Cap held a skyscraper. Batman can't do that.
If you want speed, he reacted to Hulk and Thor's attacks and avoided lightening.
If you want durability he's had his own suit explode on him and jumped out of a plane unharmed.
Durable :- Captain America(DUH)
Speed :- Captain America (DUH)
X-factor :- Even
Combat :- Batman (Small margin if any)
Equipment :- Batman
Captain America is the full potential realized. Batman is just super advanced as opposed to other humans. You must be trolling.
I've already told you Cap's also changed a plane's direction. He's also held a skyscraper while Batman just lifted rubble.
Speedsters is PIS. 100%
Cap survived being frozen for decades then broke himself out.
All this proves how much better Cap is. Cap is boosted. Batman is not.
Batman studies before going into a fight. I've never seen him go in without understanding is enemy first.
Saying Cap is equal to Bane shows a lack of understanding given Cap would beat down Bane.
Stealth is not the same as reacting to speedsters.
The SSS makes Cap better than human which is why he beats Batman
What things does Bane have over Cap?
Beating speedsters by stealth doesn't mean Batman's as fast as them.
He's not a meta human therefore he is just a man.
Pretty sure that's been retconned. Many fans complained about that because it ruined Batman's character.
Cap's also beaten the best fighters around and even those who were better lost because Cap is physically better.
When was it officially confirmed by DC that Batman's a metahuman? Amanda Waller doesn't count because she just made a claim that couldn't be backed up.
Most fans don't like the metahuman part so I'm sure that'll be retconned soon as it ruins Batman
I believe Wolverine cut Cap deeply in the leg which is the only fight where Cap began to lose. However Batman is not Wolverine so can replicate that.
Shield>batterangs.
Cap blocks bullets all the time. You really think some batterangs are going to give him some trouble.
Your acting like many people have disarmed him which they haven't.
You don't have to be insane to resist gas.
The SSS makes you immune.
If Superman got affected then he's not immune.
He obviously wasn't immune because he got affected
Cap held a collapsed building. Batman can't do that
@booyah Says the person who's never given any evidence and just downvotes.
Changed my mind
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