BatmanvsCaptain America

Captain America Batman is nowhere near the very best human in comics, I could easily name several humans without powers that are superior to Batman.

Batman Even without his gadgets, Batman still wins. He's mastered over 127 martial arts, and that more than the Captain's ever proven to do.

Captain America No Captain America is borderline superhuman while Batman has a few gadgets than make him above peak human but if Batman's opponent can't be outsmarted, Batman is below peak human and Captain America is as stronger than Batman as Batman is stronger than a bat, a real life bat and not a man dressed like a bat or a cat. Batman can beat superhuman opponents that have a different fighting style. He can even beat Wolverine because of his understanding of Logan's strategy in using his claws. But Captain America, unlike Wolverine, can throw a nigh-indestructible vibranium shield at Batman and even if Batman dodges the shield, which is unlikely as he cannot dodge bullets like Captain America but survives then because of his armor, the shield will rebound and before Batman's able to calculate its trajectory, it will decapitate him. But even if Captain America does not attack him from range with his shield while blocking all of Batman's attacks with every gadget he tries to uses, he can beat Batman in hand to hand combat because even if Batman has knowledge of a bit higher number of martial arts than Captain America but merely because of Captain America's advantage in strength and speed and Batman's impossibility to overcome it, Captain America stomps just like Deathstroke!

Captain America No Captain America is borderline superhuman while Batman has a few gadgets than make him above peak human but if Batman's opponent can't be outsmarted, Batman is below peak human and Captain America is as stronger than Batman as Batman is stronger than a bat, a real life bat and not a man dressed like a bat or a cat. Batman can beat superhuman opponents that have a different fighting style. He can even beat Wolverine because of his understanding of Logan's strategy in using his claws. But Captain America, unlike Wolverine, can throw a nigh-indestructible vibranium shield at Batman and even if Batman dodges the shield, which is unlikely as he cannot dodge bullets like Captain America but survives then because of his armor, the shield will rebound and before Batman's able to calculate its trajectory, it will decapitate him. But even if Captain America does not attack him from range with his shield while blocking all of Batman's attacks with every gadget he tries to uses, he can beat Batman in hand to hand combat because even if Batman has knowledge of a bit higher number of martial arts than Captain America, Captain America's advantage in strength and speed and Batman's impossibility to overcome it is enough for Captain America to stomp just like Deathstroke! Batman's defeated his superhuman opponents because he was either stronger, faster or more skilled or he used a specific weakness of his opponents. Captain America does not have a style that Batman can counter while being surpassed in strength and speed.

Batman Batman outsmarts captain, Batman is better fighter than cap. Batman has beaten deathstroke in comic. Batman dodges bullets. Batman uses stealth to neutralize cap.

not voted AndreasVer Batman's suit is bullet proof and second cap is just slightly fast and stronger than Batman. But as Batman has proven time and time again against bane who is stronger and faster than captain America. Captain wins only 2 times out of 10

Batman https://m.imgur.com/a/xETLy

Captain America That wasn't even canon it was a crossover. I'm surprised people still don't recognize this and Batman cannot defeat Superman in an honest random encounter. Bruce would be demolished within 5 seconds unless he miraculously had kryptonite in his arsenal.

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Batman so true

Batman Ehh what?

Captain America Who may be able to dodge it once but the second time around he'll be on the ground. What on his arsenal will effectively stop Cap from defeating him? Bruce will be throw down in a hand to hand battle but his fatigue will cause him to falter and Cap will still he rejuvenated and pounce him into the ground.

Batman His limits are the same as Batman's

Captain America Well, he is more than any human could ever dream of being, so I think it is safe to say that Captain America is superhuman

Batman In real life, yes (obviously) but no human can do the things that Batman does either...and in the fictional comic world, according to Marvel themselves (check their website) Cap was "enhanced to the peak of human potential" and "performed just under super-human levels"...everyone is confusing super-human with enhanced, he was only "enhanced" to peak human...so it is not safe to say that, that is jut an assumption, which happens to be incorrect

Captain America Well said and my exact viewpoint.

Batman While I do think Cap has the advantage in stamina, the difference probably isn't as great as you may think...while training to become Batman, Bruce once fought 28 hours straight in a gauntlet with death-match rules, because he refused to kill so they kept sending more and more men only to continually be incapacitated by him and eventually everyone was too afraid to fight him. And hand-to-hand Batman is top 5 in DC, Captain America is top 10 in marvel (Bruce is basically Steve Rogers with Tony Stark's intelligence and resources [Tony is slightly smarter and wealtheir...Bruce is a better strategist/tactician though] and the temperament of wolverine.

Batman Exactly.

Captain America I love them both, but I'm more of a Batman fan. When it comes to these debates, I prefer to take the realistic route of victors.

Batman Nowhere does it say Cap has mastered all martial arts people just assume that, it always says he has mastered "many" or "various", Batman has mastered ALL

Batman Also, Cap is not MUCH stronger and faster, doesn't matter how they got there they are both peak human meaning both of them are as strong as humanly possible, as fast as humanly possible, etc. While training to eventually become Batman, Bruce fought for 28 hours straight against a swarm of fighters in a gauntlet death match, you really think he's that far behind Cap in stamina? Batman is the leader of the justice league, not Superman...and are you going to tell me that Iron Man doesn't call the shots sometimes? To say he can't get past (not destroy) a shield is ridiculous, who cares what it's made of (oh no a large piece of metal, what ever will he do? c'mon man)...besides is Cap incapable of dropping it or losing it?

Batman Cap gained a lot of experience being frozen for 75 years

Captain America 😂 What?

Batman You were voting for Batman and you decided to make your choice Captain America, Don't worry ill make you change it back :)

Captain America Yeah no.

Batman Steve may be more durable than Bruce, but Batman has taken hits from Grundy, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Lex, etc, so their basically the same if they both have their suits. Batman has fought waaay more people than Cap and far more skilled opponents. Also, while Steve began his career in his mid twenties, Bruce has been out there since his early/mid teens. Cap's shield is super overrated. It's just a shield/frisbee. Batman has gadgets that can get around it, and if Cap were to throw it at Batman (which he most likely will), Batman would just catch it and toss it to the side, leaving Steve defenseless.

Captain America
1. Batman and Captain America are even in fighting skill. It just is. Cap has mastered all the forms of martial arts on Earth.
2. Captain America is much stronger, faster, durable, and has far greater stamina. In fact, Captain America can lift multiple tons, run over 60 MPH, survive blasts from Ultron, falls from 200 ft+, and has much greater stamina than Bruce. He can fight for hours without tiring.
3. Experience- Cap has more experience than Batman. Plus he leads the Avengers. The Justice League is led by Batman and Superman but they can't really agree on views. Superman is in the light and the rest of the league follows him. Captain America leads the Avengers in and out.
4. The Vibranium Shield- Captain America has his shield and Batman can't get past it. Period. Batman might get a couple hits but he cannot destroy the shield. Cap with his superior speed will be able to dodge more attacks and get more devastating and more attacks in general.
Captain America Wins!

Batman You didn't even read what I said.

Captain America Oh yeah, the Shield bashing on someone with the strength of a super soldier literally confused Wolverine. It literally hurt a dude with an adamantium skeleton. Cap hitting Batman with full-force will crack his skull in two. Oh yeah, the shield has hurt Iron Man's armor also.
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Batman Did you know that Batman isn't going stand there and get bashed in the face with Caps's Shield no he isn't.

Captain America The shield isn't overrated in any shape or form. Saying he'll grab it and toss it aside is laughable. Batman is peak human, Cap is a near superhuman who doesn't get fatigued, is stronger and faster. Batman would make it a fun fight but in a random encounter zero prep time, Steve is winning this.

Captain America Agreed @AhkilPDX. Those are great points.

Batman Batman is a perfectionist meaning that he could do anything perfectly For Example: Catching Cap's Shield

Captain America Just because he's a perfectionist, doesn't mean he'll catch Cap's shield and just toss it away. What about fatigue? Batman will get tired, while Steve is pounding his face into the ground.

Batman Cap is very skilled but there are many things he does not know that Batman does. Bruce is a master of all the fighting styles you mentioned, plus dozens more. He also spent a lot of time learning out dated techniques. The training he got during is time in WWII is basically useless in modern times and especially against someone as skilled as Batman. His training doesn't not truly begin until his thirties when he is with SHIELD. And the training he got at SHIELD was also not very advanced compared to the League of Assassins training that Bruce got. Also, all the feats you mentioned could have also been accomplished by Batman, but Batman has defeated characters like Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, and Richard Dragon, all of whom are far superior fighters than Steve.

Batman Bruce knows all the things that Steve learned in the armed forces, and he has learned countless other things from his time with the League of Assassins and his time studying internationally with masters of their arts. Batman is also a great strategist as he is able to plan out countless ways to defeat an opponent in just seconds and he is able to effortlessly use his surroundings to his advantage. When it comes to Cap's shield, Batman will see it as nothing more than a frisbee. The second Cap throws it at Bruce, he will just catch it and toss it to the side, leaving Steve defenseless.

Captain America Batman got embarrassed against Deathstroke until his usual prep time.

Captain America Cap is a fantastic combatant, let's go ahead and say by some magical way Cap's shield is tossed aside, Bruce and Steve will throw countless punches and Bruce will feel fatigue within his body and mind while Steve is still going in strong.

Batman Ok has Cap ever Kicked a tree down with his own foot? Has Cap ever Karate choped a brick in half?

Captain America Most likely since Cap is physically enhanced and possesses greater strength than Batman.

Batman Intelligence- Batman
Strength- Captain America
Speed- Captain America
Durability- fairly equal
Combat- Batman
Experience- Batman
Equipment- Batman
Energy Projection- both have none
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The only thing that Cap wins in is strength and speed, but Batman has dealt with characters just like him before, and he'll do it again

Captain America I can agree with most of that, except Combat in which I'd say they're equal since Cap can adapt to many fighting styles. The problem with Batman is although peak human and an incredible combatant and one of the most intelligent comic book characters of all time, he's just a human going up against an enhanced human with a vibranium shield who shows no fatigue and would pounce Batman in a random encounter when they first meet one another. If they had a rematch sure Batman would squeak by with prep time.

Batman Cap is not a better fighter than Batman. Bruce is much more skilled and has much more experience than Steve. They are both about the same age mentally, even though Steve spent 100 years in ice. So is would come down to how they spent their (about 30) years training. Bruce began training in his early teens did international training in his mid/late teens and, then trained with the League of Shadows by his late teens/early twenties. Steve began military training in his early twenties (which is not even good military training since it was from a hundred years ago), and started S.H.I.E.L.D. training in his mid/late twenties. The training that Bruce went through in his teens is without a doubt better than military training and arguably as good, if not better than SHIELD training. By the time that Bruce finishes his international martial arts training, he is already just barely under Steve's current skill level, but when he enters the League of Shadows, he easily surpasses Cap. With this information, it is clear that Batman is not only a better fighter than Captain America, but he is also more experienced because he started training at a much earlier age. Bruce's skill and experience mixed with his gadgets and intelligence is surely more than enough to defeat someone like Captain America.

Captain America To further my point Cap has dodged large arsenals of weaponry and gunfire in so many occasions I don't believe Batman's fists will worry him.

Captain America Let me ask you, what gadget will be enough to stop Cap? And if there is a gadget that can, Steve will dodge it with ease.

Batman If both characters were completely naked (and without their gear) and fighting a cage match, I see Captain America having a very good chance at winning, but if they are fully geared and in, say the Roman Colosseum, Batman takes it more often than not. You are thinking of batman's gadgets as mere toys, but the fact is that those "toys" have been able to hurt characters comparable to gods. Sure Cap can see them coming, but no matter what defensive move he makes (dodging, blocking, or shielding), those gadgets will still hit him. He may be able to block or dodge a baterang or two, but things like explosive pellets/gel, freeze grenades, and his quick hardening foam grenades are specifically designed to hit be effective no matter what the opponent does. His shield may be able to take physical blows, but it can still be surpassed with these gadgets.

Captain America Cap doesn't need to chop a tree in half. He threw his shield hard enough to hurt Hulk.

Batman @AkhilPDx Please stay out of the debate if you didn't read what I said.

Captain America So you say Cap will be hit by his gadgets, when like I previously have said has dodged rains of gunfire when he didn't expect it, but you somehow see Batman tossing his shield aside? That shield has taken impacts way more powerful than Batman could ever imagine to throw at him.

Batman Cap isn't going dodge a freeze Bomb because Didn't I say "designed to hit be effective no matter what the opponent does"

Captain America Cap's shield would easily defend that freeze bomb. His shield was hit by a pissed off Thor with the Odinforce and Mjolnir made a cute little dent, it took Thor multiple shots before he could break it.

Batman You say in "reality" Cap has already thrown his shield at Batman and Batman has already tossed it aside.

Captain America I was using that as an example for them to face off in a hand-to-hand match.

Captain America Because in reality Batman isn't tossing it aside.

Batman Still Cap is already going throw the shield at Batman because that is usually what Cap does, And Like I said Batman is going catch it throw it aside and use a Gadget that Cap isn't going dodge.

Captain America Quite the opposite actually, Cap's shield will hit Bruce and Cap will indeed dodge or protect himself from Batman's gadgetry.

Batman https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-42531260429eee11d399a5ea4761427b.webp
How did Cap lose his shield?

Captain America Link didn't work, what does the image show?

Batman Both fighting hand to hand without cap's shield but Batman still has his gadgets. In the Snow

Batman No the Rain I mean't

Captain America Oh that's the crossover and it isn't canon, so it's irrelevant.

Batman Ok am I winning the debate kind of?

Captain America I'd say no, some questionable calls on your part, but I'm having fun nonetheless.

Batman Batman has had more rigorous training in the martial arts, and that he has mastered practically all fighting styles known to man, means he wins this fight in terms of combat. Captain America is at a disadvantage because he only knows a number of fighting styles, and sooner or later Batman Will use a form that is unfamiliar to Steve and overwhelm him.

Captain America Again that's the problem, he could use any form he wants he's still not going to take Cap down, because Cap can fight all day long. Like I've also said before fatigue will wear Batmam down and allow Cap to effectively beat him to the ground.

Batman Cap can get fatigued by bullets and also he can get fatiqued by Pressure Points.

Captain America Well yeah Cap's true weakness is he can be mortally wounded but like I continuously say he can dodge crazy amounts of gunfire. Pressure points won't really mess with him, since his muscles and nerves are enhanced.

Batman Don't really think Cap can handle a Pressure Point between a person who has karate choped a Brick

Captain America Pretty fun debate so far. I've got to get off now I'd love to continue tomorrow.

Batman Ok

Captain America Oh he can.

Captain America I'm guessing this is settled as well?

Batman Just shows how powerful they are. If not someone else could explain it.

Batman When was that?

Captain America Around a year ago whenever I first joined. I returned to this site a month ago after an unfortunate hiatus.

Batman Hiatus? If I may ask?

Captain America Mainly getting my life straightened out, you know working nonstop and settling into a home, you know adult shit. The unfortunate part and I typically don't like getting personal but being diagnosed with cancer (don't worry I've been in remission for over half a year).

Batman I'm sorry to hear you had to go through that. I'm glad your better now at least.

Captain America Yeah thanks, how about we discuss this battle I see you have Batman as your winner.

Batman I flip flop a lot on this one. I think Batman slips by him

Captain America I'll continue this tomorrow I need some rest.

Batman Ok

Captain America Says the guy that voted

Batman Lol

Captain America No gadget compares to Captain America´s shield

Captain America Tell me something, how is Captain America going to defeat Batman if he can't see him. (Batman's smoke bombs, btw) Also, the shield won't protect Cap from grenades coming from every direction, as it does not offer full body protection.

Captain America Captain America kicks Iron Man's ass.

Captain America Captain America can take more damage from Fatman.

Captain America @plaidcoolflyer No he doesn't.

Captain America Captain America can take more damage THAN Fatman.

Captain America Without suits yes, but with suits their durability is fairly equal.

Captain America @IMABATMAN42: Captain America has superhuman senses. Because of Captain America´s extraordinarily acute hearing, he could locate Batman by hearing his every move. He could also smell Batman and locate him that way. But Captain America really does not need to do any of that. He could just run out of the smoke at 60 mph, jump 20 ft up into the air to get out of it, or leap 50 yards out in a single bound to get out of the smoke. Not that Batman usually carries grenades, but unless Batman could throw them much faster than a bullet, Captain America would have zero trouble dodging and blocking the grenades. You are seriously underestimating Captain America

Batman @SirSpidey I was wondering if you could refute my claim

Batman I'm in the mood for a friendly debate

Captain America I have already refuted them. Just read my comments below

Batman From what I can tell you just babble off on a tangent. Don't tell me your scared Spidey, give me your all I like it when I'm in over my head.

Captain America Scared of a nobody like you!? Please, don't kid yourself. I just don't want to retype everything I have already said. So if you could please just scroll down and actually read, that would save both of us some very valuable time. But, if you further insist, I just might have to take up your offer solely for the fun of it. Also, don't pull that "Batman has beaten tougher foes like Bane and Deathstroke" card. If we are playing that way, Captain America has beaten the Hulk by only utilizing PRESSURE POINTS. So unless Batman has beaten someone like the Hulk, Captain America easily takes this. Do you see how unfair this debate would be if we used your logic?

Batman So you're scared and lazy huh? No matter and I have read your points below and honestly they suck. As for the Hulk issue, Batman did beat the Hulk, though it was non-canon it is clear that the Hulk can be beaten by someone like Batman. In Spider-Man #19 Doc Oc beat Hulk. If DOC OC of all people can beat Hulk I'm sure Batman can. Also, Batman is probably just as well versed in pressure points as Cap.

Batman Batman has beaten the hulk before with the greatest of ease. just though I should through that out there. plus captain America was in kind of a pickle while batman was done in like 10 seconds

Captain America Lol, okay kid. Whatever you say. If my points suck so bad, please, be my guest and try and debunk them. I want to know what sucks about them. Batman, the person who gets beat by Bane and Deathstroke, cannot logically and canonically defeat the Hulk. What do you mean by saying "Doc Oc of all people"? Doc Oc would wipe the floor with Batman. He is actually pretty powerful. You can't just assume Batman has just as much knowledge on pressure points as Captain America. Prove it using facts

Batman Legends of the Dark Knight #102, Detective Comics v2 #17, and JLA Incarnations #2. Batman uses pressure point to defeat a larger opponent. As for the Doc Ock fight, Spiderman wipes the floor with him on a daily basis. While Batman doesn't beat Spiderman, It's certainly a good fight and Batman is on-par with Spidey making a fight with Doc Ock not too hard. I'll answer your question about your points at a later date as I need to reread them all.

Captain America Lol, you are going to use those as evidence!? Seriously!? Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #102 is not canon. JLA: Incarnations #2 is not canon. The only comic that you referenced that is canon is Detective Comics Volume 2 #17 and in that comic Batman only uses pressure points on a weightlifter. A weightlifter is not comparable to the Hulk. I would like to see Batman use those pressure points on the Hulk and then see what happens. Wait, did I hear you correctly? You think Batman is equal to Spider-Man? You are Joking, correct? Spider-Man could snap Batman´s neck with one arm considering how strong he is. Not to mention Batman could not even touch Spider-Man. Hell, Spider-Man could defeat Batman with his webs alone. So please, don´t do that again. You are just embarrassing yourself

Batman Thanks for catching me on that man, didn't do the proper research I suppose. You're right in my stupidity, I was momentarily blinded by your stubbornness. I will give it to Cap, He is stronger and faster. But Batman still beats him everywhere else.
Batman has been trained by the League of Assassins, Wildcat, and Zatara. Caps training is certainly good but it doesn't compare. If you were to give Batman prep time 9/10 times he wins. And even without any prep time, he wins a little over half of those battle. Cap's shield will only help him so much when Batman is full stealth. That is only my opinion but isn't all of this site just opinions?

Captain America If you were to give Captain America prep time, he would win 9/10 times. That is a faulty argument. Just because someone knows more fighting styles, does not mean they win. This is evident whenever Captain America defeated Black Panther, someone who knows all the known and unknown combat styles. So again, that is a faulty argument. Full stealth or not, Captain America will be able to sense Batman. Yet again, that is a faulty argument. This site is all just opinions until someone like me whips out them cold hard facts

Batman If this site is all opinions, why did some of the site's resident know it all vote Batman? I don't know if you noticed but you are in the minority here, Batman is winning by a large percent.

Captain America Just because something is popular, does not make it true

Batman Well 1. That's a lie his shield can't block every move, and 2. If Bats gets rid of that shield Batman would win in combat and i'm not saying Batman could kill Cap i'm saying he would win in a fight

Captain America But this is standard gear with gadgets, so Batman wins.

Batman Intelligence- Batman
Strength- Captain America
Speed- Captain America
Durability- fairly equal
Combat- Batman
Experience- Batman
Equipment- Batman
Energy Projection- both have none
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The only thing that Cap wins in is strength and speed, but Batman has dealt with characters just like him before, and he'll do it again

Captain America Durability equal? Captain America has blasted by repulsors over and over again and he just keeps fighting. Experience, Cap has fought Thanos, Hulk, Iron Man, Red Skull, and wolverine.

Captain America Caps Shield Trumps all of Batman's gadgets

Batman Steve may be more durable than Bruce, but Batman has taken hits from Grundy, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Lex, etc, so their basically the same if they both have their suits. Batman has fought waaay more people than Cap and far more skilled opponents. Also, while Steve began his career in his mid twenties, Bruce has been out there since his early/mid teens. Cap's shield is super overrated. It's just a shield/frisbee. Batman has gadgets that can get around it, and if Cap were to throw it at Batman (which he most likely will), Batman would just catch it and toss it to the side, leaving Steve defenseless.

Batman Well he punches a guy through the floor and can clearly destroy superman!! And he can take a few punches from him too!!

Captain America With Kryptonite

Captain America Hey, MoonKnight, you can't use Death Battle as evidence for two reasons. One, ScrewAttack are idiots. The results of Death Battle is rarely accurate. Second of all, you can only use comics to justify your answer.

not voted Doesn't Screwattak/Death Battle use comics as research to justify their answers.

Captain America @LordTracer is correct

Captain America @ag940000: They don't give reference to any comics in their videos. They just say a bunch of random crap and expect for the audience to think it is true. They also reference cartoons and movies for evidence which are not canon. So, Death Battle is not a reliable source to base your argument off of

Batman
For your third comment, Cap is very skilled but there are many things he does not know that Batman does. Bruce is a master of all the fighting styles you mentioned, plus dozens more. He also spent a lot of time learning out dated techniques. The training he got during is time in WWII is basically useless in modern times and especially against someone as skilled as Batman. His training doesn't not truly begin until his thirties when he is with SHIELD. And the training he got at SHIELD was also not very advanced compared to the League of Assassins training that Bruce got. Also, all the feats you mentioned could have also been accomplished by Batman, but Batman has defeated characters like Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, and Richard Dragon, all of whom are far superior fighters than Steve.

Batman For your fourth comment, again, Bruce knows all the things that Steve learned in the armed forces, and he has learned countless other things from his time with the League of Assassins and his time studying internationally with masters of their arts. Batman is also a great strategist as he is able to plan out countless ways to defeat an opponent in just seconds and he is able to effortlessly use his surroundings to his advantage. When it comes to Cap's shield, Batman will see it as nothing more than a frisbee. The second Cap throws it at Bruce, he will just catch it and toss it to the side, leaving Steve defenseless.

Batman Well said @wolfdragon123

Batman The fact that Batman has had more rigorous training in the martial arts, and that he has mastered practically all fighting styles known to man, means he wins this fight in terms of combat. Captain America is at a disadvantage because he only knows a number of fighting styles, and sooner or later Batman Will use a form that is unfamiliar to Steve and overwhelm him. This also explains how Batman is able to best Deathstroke in combat.

Captain America No, that is not well said. @wolfdragon123: For you're first comment, of course there is a difference between experience and perception. They are completely different things. Batman can have all the experience he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that Captain America learns way faster than Batman. Let me put it to you like this, if Captain America learns twice as fast as Batman, that would mean that Captain America would have 2 days worth of knowledge for every 1 days worth of Batman's knowledge. That means that Captain America would have 2 years worth of training for every 1 years worth of Batman's training and so on. Captain America has 42 years worth of knowledge compared to Batman's 30 years of knowledge due to Captain America's enhanced mind. Batman has trained for 18 years, respectively. Captain America has trained for 22 years due to Captain America being able to learn twice as fast as Batman. So, mentally, Captain America has had 4 more years of training compared to Batman and 12 more years of knowledge. And that is all training and knowledge that Captain America never forgets, unlike Batman. Just because Batman is never shown having to relearn something doesn't mean that Batman never forgets things. Batman does not have a perfect, eidetic memory. That means that we have to believe Batman forgets things. Relating and connecting new experiences with what we already know helps everyone learn and remember things. Batman isn't the only one who does that. Captain America just does that to a greater degree than Batman due to his enhanced mind. Captain America is shown to tirelessly study his enemies. He also gets double the amount of information on his enemies than Batman. Also, you don't know if Batman does more in depth research than Captain America

not voted *has better gadgets
* can take much more

Batman Batman doesn't need any of his vehicles or special suits to beat Cap

Captain America Captain America's shield trumps all of Batman's gadgets

Captain America Exactly.

Captain America Well said

Captain America Good point

Captain America Well said! I was leaning toward Cap on this one and you summed it up very nicely.

Batman Although your points are good, i think that Batman could still win.
1.It is true that Batman is weaker compared to Captain America because of the Super Solider Serum, that does not match Batman's Wits and how he is in Combat. Stealth is also one of Batman's best tactics. he could easily sneak up on Cap and have an advantage. Plus, Combined with Batman's power and Combat, he could easily take him down.
2. If we count prep time, Batman could easily find weaknesses of Captain America. If he had enough time, he could probably get his hands on Vibranium with either is mass fortune or taking it himself as Batman.
3. Batman has beaten countless Stronger enemies including Superman and Darkseid. So who's to say that he couldn't beat Cap? Although they have had fights in the comics, both of those fights ended in a tie. If batman had the advantage of Stealth, and Preparation, I think Batman could beat Cap.

Captain America Well, I'm going to debunk what you said...
Cap's battlefield knowledge is greater than Batman's (which I said already), and his combat is also better. Batman's stealth won't do much because these battles (at least I'm pretty sure) are just when two characters run into each other randomly. So Batman won't be sneaking around. Even if he was, Cap would figure out pretty quickly that Batman was planning a sneak attack. So there, debunked. (And also, the vibranium thing goes along with the no prep time. And also, you has some good points, and even though I think Cap would win, Batman would put up an amazing fight.

Batman Cap's "battlefield knowledge" won't be of much use here since it is pretty much just war experience, and this is not a war, it is a one-on-one fight. And Cap is not a better fighter than Batman. Bruce is much more skilled and has much more experience than Steve. They are both about the same age mentally, even though Steve spent 100 years in ice. So is would come down to how they spent their (about 30) years training. Bruce began training in his early teens did international training in his mid/late teens and, then trained with the League of Shadows by his late teens/early twenties. Steve began military training in his early twenties (which is not even good military training since it was from a hundred years ago), and started S.H.I.E.L.D. training in his mid/late twenties. The training that Bruce went through in his teens is without a doubt better than military training and arguably as good, if not better than SHIELD training. By the time that Bruce finishes his international martial arts training, he is already just barely under Steve's current skill level, but when he enters the League of Shadows, he easily surpasses Cap. With this information, it is clear that Batman is not only a better fighter than Captain America, but he is also more experienced because he started training at a much earlier age. Bruce's skill and experience mixed with his gadgets and intelligence is surely more than enough to defeat someone like Captain America.

Captain America Just because Batman started training as a teenager doesn't mean he's a better fighter than Cap. Cap has had more experience and he would instantly recognize any martial arts Batman uses, and then he would counter it. Batman's only hope WOULD be his gadgets, if they weren't made useless by Cap's shield.

Batman Batman hasn't just trained longer, he has gotten better training and is easily a better fighter than Captain America. And why do you say that Cap is more experienced?

Captain America @wolfdragon123: What are you talking about? You clearly don't know who Captain America is. Have you read one Captain America comic? Not only does Captain America have vast amounts of knowledge on war strategies and techniques that he can easily use while in a 1v1 battle, he can also apply any knowledge of any battle he has ever learned or experienced to the task at hand which means Captain America has already experienced everything Batman is going to throw at him. As for the experience of both characters, I think you are forgetting something about Captain America. His mental performance operates in the most efficient and rapid manner possible which enables Captain America to processes the world in the most advance and efficient manner. He possesses perfect pattern solving/recognition, limitless information storage/retrieval, perfect perception/observational skills, and logical/philosophical structuring of the mind. His mind also processes information extremely quickly, giving him an accelerated learning aptitude. Rogers can also quickly analyze limitless information streams and rapidly respond to changing tactical situations.

Captain America He possesses an eidetic memory (he never forgets anything and has perfect and instant recall), he can read at superhuman speeds, has perfect deductive/reasoning skills, and can intuitively understand what's going to happen and how to deal with it. This enables him to remember any military tactic and apply it to any situation, making him the best tactician in history. So, Batman may have gotten more training, but you have to keep in mind that Captain America has an eidetic memory meaning once Captain America learns a technique, he doesn't have to relearn it as Batman would have to do once he forgets a technique. This means that Batman would need to take much longer to master a technique than Captain America would. Whenever Batman is relearning a technique, Captain America is learning a new one. Captain America also learns things much, much faster than Batman since his mind is enhanced. He can even read a book at super human speeds.

Captain America As for their combat skill, Captain America is not far behind Batman in mastering all forms of martial arts. Captain America has mastered the majority of all martial art techniques and is adept in all the ones he hasn't yet mastered. Captain America mostly utilizes Boxing, Judo, Defendu, Kickboxing, Jujutsu, Okinawa-te and various other martial arts with his gymnastic ability creating a style that suits his strengths and enables him to use his knowledge to the best of his ability. He is considered to be one of the finest martial artists on Earth, which allows him to regularly defeat foes who are masters of all forms of combat, such as Taskmaster, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Black Panther, etc. At one time, Captain America was able to hold his own against a large group of Super Soldiers with ease. Captain America can also just master whatever move or technique is foreign to him in the midst of the fight.

Captain America His years of training and experience with his unique shield, as well as its physical properties, allow him to accomplish amazing feats with the shield. Aside from bashing foes and blocking incoming attacks, he is able to throw it with perfect aim. Rogers can hit multiple targets with the same throw by means of ricochet, and can even achieve a boomerang-like return effect, allowing him to strike enemies from behind or retrieve the shield without objects to ricochet from. He is a master in all Armed force disciplines including intelligence gathering, escape arts, assassination, demolition, survival tactics, hunting, swimming, mountaineering, march/drill skills, map making and reading, decoding cipher and other secret code messages, reading and making wood craft signs and other secret code languages, disguising, interrogation, computers, explosives, communication systems, vehicles, and electronic appliances used in armed forces. His years of training and experience have made him an expert acrobat, gymnast, and aerialist. He often utilizes these talents in combat for both evasive and offensive purposes. Captain America is also an accomplished strategist. He has been widely considered one of, if not the greatest, tacticians on the planet, both on and off the battlefield. He is able to formulate battle strategies and his brilliant tactical sense allows him to alter any strategy to fit the changing need of the situation. Rogers utilizes Boxing, Judo, Defendu, Kickboxing, Jujutsu, Okinawa-te and various other disciplines with his gymnastics ability creating a style that suits his strengths and enables him to use his knowledge to the best of his ability. So no, Batman is not a better fighter than Captain America. Batman may have started training before Captain America, but he definitely is not as experienced as Captain America

Captain America @wolfdragon123: Would you like to debate this?

Batman I thought we were done debating this, but sure I guess we can keep going

not voted Jim stands for darksied

Captain America Except for Cap in the comics is stronger than Batman, the serum pushes the limits of human perfection.

Captain America I got to say you have the best screen name.

Captain America I got to say you have the best screen name.

Captain America For your first point: I use what Galactus says because Galactus uses credible and canon sources to get his information as you can see by reading through the Profile, History, Powers and Abilities, and Weapons and Equipment sections of every single character in the database. For your second point: Iron Man, Reed Richards, Hank McCoy, and Hank Pym know more about science than Captain America but none of them could ever dream of rivaling Captain America on the battlefield in terms of general knowledge, I thought I made this clear but maybe I made a mistake. Captain America has a didactic memory, something that none of the previous characters that I mentioned above have. This means that once he learns something, experiences something, looks at something, feels something, hears something, tastes something, or even smells something.........he never forgets it. Unlike the characters above who can easily forget things out of the blue, those things haunt Captain America forever. He can literally master any weapon within seconds and learn any fighting technique while in battle. Basically what Im trying to say is that Captain Americas intelligence in regards to combat/tactical genius, memory, and strategy is easily comparable to Reed Richards, Tony Starks, Hank McCoys, and Hank Pyms intelligence in regards to science and technology. This is why he needs a 100 in intelligence. Hopefully this clears up my opinion on the matter and hopefully you can at least agree with what I said even for just a little bit

Batman I now see what are saying and I agree that his memory is a very powerful tool, but I still don't think that he should get a 100 for intelligence. I think that characters with 100 intelligence should have a broader range of expertise. Captain America has a larger potential for a higher intelligence than many other characters, but since he mostly focuses his time on training and studying battle strategies, his knowledge is more limited than someone like Batman's. If he were to expand his studies and spend more time in the lab and library rather than in the gym and control rooms, then he could better utilize his potential. So, Cap is very smart in some areas and has great potential, but he is going to have to spend some more time studying since his priorities are normal on the physical and strategic side of things and not the intellectual side.

Captain America You mention that characters with 100 in intelligence should have a broader range of expertise but yet characters with 100 in intelligence like Iron Man, Hank Pym, Reed Richards, and Beast have little to none expertise in the fields of Captain America. But thats your opinion, I cant change it. You can believe what you want and Ill believe what I want

Captain America Yes they did create the entire page, all of there contributions formed the entire page. Its a wikipedia. Here, let me give you the definition of what a wikipedia is because you clearly dont understand what it is, "A wikipedia is a free, open content online encyclopedia created through the collaborative effort of a community of users known as wikipedians. Anyone registered on the site can create an article for publication; registration is not required to edit articles". That is what the Marvel Wikipedia is

Batman That's not always the case, especially not when the page is on a company like Marvel's website. Go on the page and try to edit something, anything. I can almost guarantee that you will not be able to make just any changes.

Captain America It might be because they decided that the page is good enough and doesnt need anymore information in it so they just closed it. It could also be a technological error of some sort that they have yet to fix. But how would I know, I dont work for Marvel. Im just going off of what the website says which is, "Marvel Universe Wiki"

Batman I just made an account and tried to edit the page and I couldn't. Either way, every page on Marvel's website is maintained and approved by Marvel, so they would allow any false information to be placed on their website. Everything on there is what Marvel says is correct.

Captain America How do you know? Do you work for Marvel or something? Listen, the page was made by some random people. That means that it is there own interpretation of Captain America, there own opinion of who Captain America is. And I just so happen to disagree with them

Captain America They most likely did not factor in all of who Captain America is into there stats due to them being not so knowledgeable on the subject

Captain America If you would actually read the Powers and Abilities page on Captain America, you would know where Im refering from

Batman Is that seriously where you've been getting your whole argument from? You're taking @Galactus's description way too literally. If you want the actual stats for Captain America, then go to the actual Marvel website. There you will see that Cap has a 4/7 for intelligence, which puts him in the "gifted" category. Characters like Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Hulk, and Beast all have 6/7, which puts them in the "super-genius" category. Batman is of course on the level of these guys and is obviously smarter than Captain America. With the way that you were arguing, you might as well have been arguing for a completely different character than Steve Rodgers. There's a reason why Batman is maxed out on intelligence while Cap only has a 70 (which by the way is a pretty generous amount): Because it makes sense

Captain America Anyone can edit those Marvel wikis so its not a very reliable source to go off of

Batman I'm talking about the official Marvel website, which is run by the actual people that work at Marvel, so there is no source that is more reliable than this one. This is what I'm talking about:
http://marvel.com/universe/Captain_America_(Steve_Rogers)#axzz4w6Tn5rQk

Captain America As President Donald Trump would say it, "Wrong." That statement is just wrong. Read my comments below and youll understand why

Batman Agreed

Batman I do not think he needs a suit, Batman is really smart combat wise, like he is a really really good fighter.

Batman Yes that us true but Batman (i my opinion) is just the superior fighter! He calculates and executes his moves in a superior way to Cap and he is far more intelligent. Yes maybe Cap has the physical ability to really put up a fight but few and far between can match batman in terms of his strategic combat.