Thor

Why you think that?

Thor is too fast but most of his speed comes from mjolnir almost ever

Alone, he moved 3 times faster the speed of light.

@Dusk_Pikachu Yeah, therefore I said ''ALMOST ever''

So? Thor doesn't use Godblast a lot. Does that mean he doesn't have it? He doesn't use magic a lot. Does that mean he doesn't have it?

But, I didn't understand what it meant. "-- -- comes from Mjolnir almost ever"? That line makes no sense. Closest meaning is he almost always uses Mjolnir as his main speed.

Uh they are no criminals

Almost nothing is the same

Joker don't want batman dead he Sees him as a tot joker bassicly does random things to make batman insane or letting batman kill him so if someone with most self control did that means we all are deep inside insane like joker

Bane was never the first villian to beat batman many have done before same for destroyer

Also clayface and absorbing man don't make sense many villians hate their main enemy and lost fights with them

They're not similar.

well the catchphrase is a little

Agree

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I said I agree

I know. The question mark was because I didn't understand why you both thought he was "ewwww"

I know how you could learn.

Tell me

By reading all of Thor's comics starting from Journey into Mystery which has a bunch of minor villains but even those guys count.

@mxy You do not read Marvel.

No. GL can't beat him with ease. You must not know that much about Thor. Thor=Superman in a fight. That means he would probably defeat GL 6/10.

Green lantern beats Thor hard fight

I think it is the other way around. But I agree that it is a hard fight.

Agreed.

Guys, Thor has matched Silver Surfer, Sentry, Hulk, Hela, Quicksilver, And numerous other quick people

but then why did he say wolverine is faster than him, why was he outmanvered by daredevil, also why did spider-man dodge his hammer when he toss it?

All of that is either PIS or because Thor only uses a third of his power at MOST while in Earth.

what about wolverine though

That's an infinite multiverse of PIS! And the author of that book was likely drunk because he said a hypersonic Wolverine is faster than a MFTL+ god. If you want to use Wolverine vs Thor you're either arguing that Logan is galaxy level or that Thor isn't even shack level.

so you're saying thor isn't trying

Aye, it's either that or PIS

ok but then why has he struggle in speed training

When?

I Don't Know

Okay...let me know when you find an actual argument for Thor not being faster than light.

just watch all of DanCo's Thor videos Now I Know you're tried of DanCo but he gives good information about speed with thor now watch his spawn vs thor or goku vs thor videos, now you don't need to watch everything just watch the breakdown UNTIL he gets to the speed part

Actually I don't think he's faster than light

yeah i know and he's proven that alot of times like in his fights With Wolverine, Spider-Man and Daredevil He struggle against those guys

@BlotskyA yeah all of that is PIS unless you can give at least 5 other MFTL feats for those characters. And DanCo did Thor struggle in speed training?

@Bane333 then you go against what the comics say and what the authors want.

Thor is so much faster than light.

Agreed. #WeWantTheTrueThor #WWTTT

We removed Odin Force, which he shouldn't have because that Thor has its own page

@DarkProdigy i think 31 is fine

Agree, and omnilingualism

He needs all of those.

@DarkProdigy can you add those powers to Thor

I added them and some others, not Darkforce Manipulation though.

Thank You.

wtf he is 195

@Sirspidey do you have a answer for this?

@Sirspidey come on bro I know you have seen this
Thor's "opposite" feats shown here are proof that Superman can defeat Thor

Oh no. The Thing knocked Thor out! Damn that's the lowest of the low

Ikr ! Thing is vastly weaker than Hulk , Superman and Goku

@MOP, relax and wait, from what I hear he is on Discord arguing with some dude about Thor V.S. Sentry so he hasn't had time to look for stuff on here, he'll see it just give it a minute.

Ok [takes deep breath] I'm calm now xD
But seriously what's your thoughts about these "opposite" feats

And most of those feats are outlier and one time feats anyway and high end feats for fodder tier characters. For example an AMPED Surfer defeating a Thor holding back, that's a one time thing and shouldn't be counted because Thor has defeated Surfer more than 50% of the time and during the Annihilation event Surfer got a huge power boost from Galactus himself and Thor casually took him out with no amps at all. Mantis, PIS for very obvious reasons, Thing knocking him out a very, very ,very high end feat for Thing because Thing has lost to a standard Hulk MANY times and Thor has beaten Hulk more than Hulk has beaten Thor so while they've traded wins, Thor comes out victorious most of the time. Beta Ray Bill makes sense because he is Thor's equal, Hercules defeated him in a wrestling match basically, if it was an actual fight and Thor was allowed his hammer it's a gg Red Skull clearly didn't do that with his own power alone because Red Skull get's slapped by Captain America every time and Captain America is street level so yeah that's a no contest, Adam Warlock has an infinity stone my guy, not fair for anybody. You only gave 15 instances of Thor losing and most of which I proved illogical to use just now and from what I can tell Thor has been around for 56 years and the fact you could only come up with a measly little 15, you realize you made Thor look even stronger right, I'm not even a Thor fan but come on @MOP using outlier easily debunkable feats to try and prove your point, really?

I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm trying to show you your mistakes so you can improve apon them, if an non Thor fan like myself can debunk them imagine a super fan like @Spidey.

True ...True
If we can't use High outlier feats for characters like thing etc How come Goku , Thor , Hulk , Superman etc etc are allowed their outlier feats
Reason I could only come up with 15 is three reasons
1. I'm not a Thor fan so I don't read most of his comics
2. I got half of them on a website
3. I only searched for like a half hour

And @Soul I would like to thank you for all the help you have given me . I am vastly better than I was 4 months ago

Well most good debaters don't use outlier feats at all, the feats commonly used for Thor, Goku, Super Man, etc. all those characters have show that level of power on a consistent bases. And none of Goku's feats are outlier feats (except stupid **** like getting hit by a bullet and it hurting him) because he is written by only ONE person which separates him from the others and he only has one continuity so all his feats can be used because all his feats are consistent. Superman has consistently shown being capable of defeating the other Justice League members regularly and has multiple consistant lifting feats and speed feats which is why the are NOT outlier feats. The very same can be said for Hulk, Thor and all those other folk.

Should I delete this before @Spidey sees?

And you're welcome, I like helping others improve that way I have more tough advisories, so again you're welcome, glad I could help.

You don't need to delete it, he'll see I debunked all of it and will be perfectly fine.

Wait... So you're fattening us up just to eat us? LOL
But fr You are one of the coolest members on this site . I would possibly still be at the bottom of the food chain if it wasn't for you
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P.s how was your Halloween?

Ok .
Also I just realized you and @Spidey haven't ever debated before . You think that's going to happen anytime soon ?

Thank You, I really do try, and I didn't do anything for Halloween but it's been pretty alright.

*Haven't debated

We have on "The End All be All" forum, but for the most part we agree on a lot of things, hard to debate with someone you agree with.

Yeah Thor is fodder

Periodt.

Scarlet Witch, Zatanna, Dr Strange, Superman, GL, Swamp Thing, MM, Spawn can't defeat Thor.

Doctor Strange is far more powerful. He's contended with Shuma-Gorath, Nightmare and Dormammu, all of whom are far stronger than Thor.
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Superman is slightly more powerful than Thor. He is also faster. He's also far more versatile.
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Hal Jordan is far stronger than Superman, and has contended with Parallax on several occasions.
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Swamp Thing could defeat Jim Corrigan. Thor is nothing.
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Martian Manhunter is stronger than Superman and Hal Jordan, and he's contended with Darkseid.
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Spawn is comparable to a being who shook half the infinite multiverse with a swing of her lance. He would rip Thor apart.
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All of these people would defeat Thor, and some would godstomp him.

Superman, Hal Jordan, Spawn, and Martian Manhunter CAN beat Thor but not the majority of the time.
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Superman beats Thor 3-4/10 times
Hal Jordan beats Thor 1-2/10 times
Spawn beats Thor 3-4/10 times
Martian Manhunter beats Thor 3-4/10 times

If you're talking about Classic Strange. Yes he stomps. Superman can't EASILY defeat Thor. Martian Manhunter can't EASILY defeat Thor.

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I use Classic Strange when I mention Strange. And I didn't say Superman would easily defeat Thor. Manhunter, as well as Swamp Thing, Hal Jordan and Spawn would.

Phoenix wins 8/10 times.
SW wins 3/10 times.
Dr Fate wins 9/10 times.
Zatanna wins 3/10 times.
Dr Strange wins 4/10 times. Classic Strange wins 10/10 times.
Spectre wins 10/10 times.
Captain Atom wins 4-5/10 times.
Phantom Stranger wins 9/10 times.
Superman wins 4/10 times.
GL wins 4/10 times.
WPOTC wins 10/10 times.
Odin wins 10/10 times.
Swamp Thing wins 4-5/10 times.
Franklin Richards wins 9/10 times.
Spawn wins 4/10 times.
MM wins 4/10 times.

How is Captain Atom only a 4-5 victory ratio?
How is Phantom Stranger 9/10, but his equal, The Spectre, is 10/10?
How is Swamp Thing 4-5/10, when his inferior, The Spectre, is 10/10?
How is Spawn, who is comparable to Spectre and Phantom Stranger, only 4/10?
How is Manhunter, who fought evenly with Darkseid, only 4/10?
How are Scarlet Witch, Zatanna and Franklin Richards above 0/10?

And how is Current Strange not 0/10?

Captain Atom is under/comparable to SS who is under Thor.
Phantom Stranger doesn't have as good feats as Spectre. But fair enough. 10/10 times.
Give me BASE Swamp Thing feats to prove he's above Thor.
Give me BASE Spawn feats to prove he's above Thor.
Manhunter may have fought toe-to-toe with Darkseid but his abilities wouldn't work on Thor. For example his intangibility wouldn't work since Mjolnir stops that.
Franklin Richards obviously beats Thor.
Current Strange should get a few wins against Thor.

Captain Atom would rip the Surfer in half. Atom is universal+, Surfer is solar system level. Try again.
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Doesn't have as good of feats? How about stalemating Corrigan himself in a fight?
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Restoring the entirety of The Green across the infinite multiverse. The Green was able to survive the Crisis on Infinite Earths, by the way.
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Being the near-equal to Angela, who made half the infinite multiverse shudder with her strikes.
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Okay, and? Manhunter is leagues more powerful than Thor. He doesn't need to use telepathy or intangibility to defeat him.
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Franklin gets speedblitzed. Current Strange is solar system level, and multi-universal with the strongest buffs he's gotten. He loses. Badly.

How is Surfer sola system level? Lol.
Does Judas have any other feats? Also I changed my mind. He wins 10/10 times.
Was it base Swamp Thing and has he constantly showed feats like this?
Angela stomped Spawn in their first encounter and that Angela feat must be when she was amped.
Manhunter might be more powerful but he can't defeat Thor. Like base Firestorm is less powerful than Superman but he can defeat Superman easily.
Franklin has subconsciously protected himself from Celestials. After doing that he one punches Thor like he did to a celestial.

Does he have any feats above that? If he does, I haven't seen them.
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He restrained an enraged Swamp Thing, who's on his level. Corrigan and Eclipso together couldn't actually kill him. He tanked a blast from Eclipso. The magic of Fate, Spectre and Eclipso combined wouldn't kill him. He broke Spectre and Eclipso's combined spells.
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It was Base Swamp Thing. And he has shown more feats on this level. He defeated a man stated by The Monitor to be in the general level of Trigon and Jim Corrigan.
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Yes, in their first fight, Angela beat the s**t out of Spawn. After Second Metamorphosis, Spawn was around her level. And Angela wasn't amped when she did that.
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And why can't he beat Thor, hm? For what reason would he be unable to win?
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Has Franklin consistently been able to do this?

I'm so sad. My comment couldn't get through since I wasn't 'active'. I'll just give you links.
Manhunter vs Thor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07a4eR9qknA&t=464s . Watch it fully and come back.
Surfer feats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07a4eR9qknA&t=464s . Read it fully and come back.
Franklin feats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07a4eR9qknA&t=464s . Read it fully and come back.

All of the links go do the DanCo video. And why does everyone use his videos as evidence? He isn't right all of the time.

Lol.
Franklin Richards feats: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/1u3xea/respect_franklin_richards/
Silver Surfer Feats: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/1u3xea/respect_franklin_richards/
Silver watch it. It's very accurate.

Silver Surfer: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2fpjiq/respect_the_silver_surfer/

I didn't see anything that would put Surfer above solar system level. The most impressive thing was destroying an avatar of Thanos. And other than the Celestials, Franklin has no subconscious durability feats.

Surfer's best feats:
Surfer defeated Cancerverse Thor and Iron Man. The Cancerverse characters were as powerful as their 616 counterparts. Cancerverse Thor was strong enough to break Quasar's constructs and harm him.
Surfer fought full powered amped Nova Prime.
Surfer defeated Beta Ray Bill.
Surfer defeated Skaar.
Surfer one-shot God Cable.
Surfer defeated Morg, Galactus' most powerful herald ever.
Weakened Surfer one-shot amped Wonder Man.
Surfer casually defeats Terrax.
Surfer defeated an Avatar of Lady Death.
Surfer defeated an enraged Hulk.
Surfer casually defeats Ronan.
Surfer defeats Champion.
Surfer's skin can block the might of the Infinity Gems(which has captured Galactus).
There are many other feats. Please read ALL of them. Even if Franklin does get hit by Thor, he will be unaffected since he has been seen to withstand Celestial attacks like they were nothing. Please read Franklin's feats more carefully.

How did Surfer beat Cancerverse Thor when 616 Thor has beaten the s**t out of Surfer every time they've fought.
Morg is the most powerful herald? So did you forget that Tyrant existed?
An avatar of Lady Death is hella PIS. Lady Death's avatars are on the level of Eternity. Surfer definitely can't beat Eternity.

Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate, Captain Atom and Martian Manhunter destroy Thor 10/10, individually.
Phantom Stranger, Spectre and White Phoenix roflstomps Thor 6363637273632/10.

"How are Franklin Richards, Zatanna and Scarlet Witch above 00/10?". Are you drunk? Each of them should be far higher, as they are more powerful than Thor.
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And don't bring up that "durability" stuff, because Zatanna has survived attacks from Wonder Woman, Scarlet Witch has survived attacks from Chaos. Thor's attacks would barely faze them.

When has Zatanna ever taken a hit from Wonder Woman? And Thor would beat Wonder Woman, so what even is your point there? And stop bringing up Chaos, you know what my response to that it.

https://m.imgur.com/i6CPjDL?r
Thor's striking capability is similar to Wonder Woman's.
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I don't care if you think it's PIS, it's still a consistent feat, and not PIS.

That's New 52 Wonder Woman and New 52 Zatanna. Invalid.

It's not consistent at all.

No, it's not, and why would it matter in the first place?
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That's ridicolous. She has so many feats near or on that level.

Yes, it is. Zatanna and Wonder Woman are both in their New 52 outfits. And it matters because the New 52 has so many differences to the Pre/Post-Crisis universe. For example, N52 Wonder Woman is planet level, instead of universal+ like in Pre-52.

Other than HoM, she has no feats on that level.

You're the one who uses composite versions of everyone on this website, including Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate and few others. Why aren't you doing the same for Scarlet Witch? And, I'm ignoring the fact that current Wanda is the same as HOM Wanda, but whatever.

That isn't the same thing. HoM was a buffed version of Wanda. Pre and Post-Crisis Superman had no buffs, so they can be counted as composite. Classic and Current Strange had no buffs, so they can be counted. And HoM is not the same as base Wanda. The only reason you think they're the same is because of one statement.

There are two statements and one feat on HoM level.
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It's exactly the same. HOM Wanda was not buffed. She was just insane and mentally unstable.

And that feat is?

If I exclude Chaos, which I really shouldn't, but okay, she has the feat of being equal to Phoenix Force.

Proof of that is where?

Avengers v. X-Men. Her magic was described as equal to Phoenix Force.

So then it's just a statement.

Yes. He needs those powers.

I guess that is a no?

Wat?

Um. He does have Matter Manipulation and it's one of the best around. And he does have force-fields. These are powers Mjolnir grants.

Are you talking to me or @AkhilPDX?

I know, but he doesn't have it on his powers list.