ThorvsHulk

Hulk Isn’t that something that requires his hammer?

Thor No actually. I'm glad you asked. In 'Thor Volume 2 #82, Page #19', Thor Godblasts Durok the Demolisher without the use of Mjolnir.

not voted No hammer remeber

Hulk He just wanted any excuse to vote Thor

Hulk I’m not as knowledgeable as you guys on these two characters. I have no confidence that one of them isn’t gonna interrupt us.

Hulk Despite that, sure. I’ll debate you

Thor Cool then, why do think a Thor without his hammer and no holding back himself can't take this battle?

Hulk I definitely think he can, it’s just that Thor’s hammer is what gives him most of his most powerful abilities, and considering Hulk has knocked him around even when he has his hammer, without it he would be at a disadvantage.

Thor Well, maybe some of Thor's most surprising abilities come in part from his hammer, but in this fight those abilities (teleportation, dimensional travel, byfrost, flight etc) wouldn't be almost relevant since it's a 100% melee fight, with everything they have physically and I assure you that Hulk's equaled / is SLIGHTLY superior in strength to Thor, perhaps in resistance as well, but he doesn't exceed him in any other physical characteristics and I can bring many incredible Thor's physical feats that was done by himself and would overshadow Hulk's, maybe Hulk has his regeneration which is a great ability, but Thor is considerably faster, MUCH better fighter not only with weapons, he has better techniques to end the life of the rival quickly (when he really damn easily broke Sentry's neck who has an even better regen factor than Hulk) etc... On top of all this, I could discuss BRINGING PLENTY OF LOGISTIC AND PROOF that Thor arguable holds himself back much more than Hulk, below I made the hypothesis that both were equally contained, but it was just to get to my next point, this time I'm going to use all the cards that I have in my favor without hesitation and even more so when they debate as if Thor always needs his hammer to be that powerful FRRR.

Hulk I'm not being sarcastic but I'm sincerely enjoying watching @Mr_Incognito debate in favor of Hulk.

Also don't mean to interrupt but @MrJaeger, you seem to be bringing up a lot of things Thor might be superior in which don't really affect the fight (for ex. experience with weapons).

Hulk @Taurus We are just gonna spectate now, I am excited honestly.

Thor @Taurus Yeah that's why I said ''he's an expert in combat NOT ONLY WITH WEAPONS'' since many think that Thor doesn't know how to fight hand to hand just to carry a hammer but they're completely wrong and I wanted to clarify it, you aren't interrupting sh*t cuz I stayed debating alone :)

Hulk Right, and in my opinion Thor with his hammer would beat the Hulk if they fought. But here, Thor would be in trouble. Sentry has beaten Thor even when he wanted Thor to win. This is like if you put an absolute giant of a guy against a guy with a shotgun, and then took away his shotgun. His weapon can take the other guy out, but if he doesn’t have it he’s gonna be in trouble.

Thor @Mr_Incognito You missed adding to the example you gave me the factor that the guy who had the shotgun and then you took it away could also defeat the giant guy anyway, not only because he'd be too similar in strength and some other physical aspects, but the ''little'' guy has much more experience in combat, he could dodge his opponent's attacks and counter with more force, that if it would be a close comparison to this fight.
When did Sentry beat Thor still wanting to be beat? tf

Hulk @Mr_Incognito voted for hulk... it's a miracle... we may very well never see this again

Hulk Oh hush.

Hulk @Savage When did you become Mr. Snarky Pants...I thought that was my job...

Hulk @Taurus lol

Hulk Hulk holds back arguably way more than Thor, which means he rips him apart in this fight. All Thor ever had going for him was his hammer.

Thor I feel a little uneducated for not knowing the reason why hulk fans say in all debates that he always holds back himself (even hinting that he does it over than Thor) when we already know that thor's status quo is always to hold back in the fights located on earth and even more when it comes to his friends, if there is something that I'm missing in the history of hulk I will gladly hear it from you and thus understand why "hulk is so contained" when it seems the opposite always.

Hulk Well first off everybody (I hope) knows that Banner is Hulk's main limiting factor. He's the only reason Hulk doesn't one-shot everyone.
And in regards to Hulk himself, he admitted to have always been holding back even in Worldbreaker form, right before he destroys the dark dimension in one hit. @dhruv @Tyrannus Any other instances?

Thor hmmm I see ... it's logical that the Hulk most of the time is contained considering that part of Bruce Banner's consciousness is still active, but I think it's also somewhat contradictory and I will explain why, if the Hulk's ability par excellence That is, increase his strength as he becomes more enraged, would he have to reach a point where he breaks the supposed "limit" that he had set before or am I wrong? So suppose us that he starts fighting Thor and he restrains himself so as not to kill the people around him, but as the fight progresses because all the time he is getting angrier at some point than Bruce predicted not to It was going to happen, finally it happens, do I explain me?

Hulk Bruce and Hulk both hold back. Therefore even as Hulk gets stronger he only uses what's necessary.

Thor But I still think it is contradictory for they to ''hold back'' regarding Hulk constant increase in anger and strength lol

Hulk @Taurus Dont know why people dont accept hulk holds back immensely. Just because he goes on rampages ? Because he fights with his own teammates ? These are no reasons to believe hulk doesn't hold back. I am using my previous shown scans on another debate to prove hulk holds back.

Thor @Dhruv According to the scans you sent, what I have noticed is that the Hulk more than holding back himself, he stops whenever he's going to end the life of the one who was fighting or every time he is about to attack and reconsiders, but that is very different from holding back yourself during AN ENTIRE FIGHT just like Thor does and this is really the point I want to get to, Thor doesn't mind look as the loser as long as it doesn't end up affecting his surroundings, we all already know that Thor is immensely contained on Earth especially when there are friends nearby and unlike Hulk, he doesn't do it only when he's about to deliver the coup de grace or when it seems that he is going to attack but doesn't, literally in each of his attacks of any fight he has on Earth It restrains him considerably while the Hulk doesn't slow down while he's fighting, he only gets stronger as he gets angrier and please don't call this ''ignoring the facts'' because that's the typical thing most the debaters say on this site to try to discredit everything the other said.

Hulk I see what your trying to say but the scans don't really say that. And at the end of the day Hulk isn't a mindless monster, he's a hero who just wants to be left alone. And like all heroes he holds back. He'd destroy the earth very easily if he didn't.
The opposite is kind of true with Thor. Yes he holds back immensely too, but whenever he's fought Hulk he gets carried away which leads to collateral damage while Hulk ends up stopping the fight or leaving. Thor's pride on the other hand won't let him accept defeat.

Thor @Tyran I know well that Hulk's a hero and most of the time he tries to do good and stops too, but you have to admit that there are also several moments in the comics in which he gets out of control and doesn't stop at all, I would dare to even say that there are more times when he fights like a mad dog than as someone with an calmed appearance and therefore (although he's not really) they see him as a dangerous monster for the earth and that even makes the Hulk become more angry and doesn't know how to control it, so he ends up doing things he didn't want but it's too late when he realizes, on the other hand, Thor perhaps he's an arrogant and let himself be carried away by the ego of making himself look superior in some battles, but it never gets heavier, he doesn't lose his reason nor much less unlike Hulk, and always (even if he has some arrogance) ALWAYS he holds himself back greatly every time he fights with Hulk (even more with him than with others) since as I said, he's one of his best friends and at no time he's going to do him real harm, but to just stop him or send themselves to a place away from people. Why do you think that when the Hulk became Nul (even if this was worse than the normal Hulk) Thor equally won? Besides that Angrir was also against him, he still managed to get rid of them and this time it was more serious because with the beings he was facing they were no longer like his friends, but rather a REAL threat to humanity And considering that if he could't stop them, it would be the end, that's the big difference between one and the other.

Hulk @MrJaeger07 You can interpret it whatever way you want, but no, hulk always holds back, not just when he is about to kill someone. According to you, he only holds back when he is about to kill someone, but as Amadeus said

"I..I can run the numbers. So I could see he was always pulling his punches, looking out for the little people." If your logic was true, he should have said "He was always pulling back his last punch to avoid killing everyone." But no amadeus said he pulled back his punches, and that counts for every punch, including his entire fight with black bolt, sentry, zom fused doctor strange and many others. And this scan I am using again

See what hulk says "Because if Banner loses all control.If the beast ever comes out and stays out..unleashing his own primal hatred...he could easily topple the planet off its foundation."
Banner always has to hold hulk back, if he loses control for even a millisecond, the planet would get destroyed. As hulk gets angrier, banner has to try harder to hold back hulk and that is why insanely angry versions of hulk have very high intelligence in them (wwh,wbh,hotm,ih) because of banner's best efforts to hold hulk back, and this leads to high presence of banner in hulk persona and gives him high intelligence. Thor has lost control several times against hulk, he gets carried off with his ego while hulk also tries to save people lives even when he is fighting someone. Thor when going into warrior madness, which odin has himself described when an asgardian has no control over himself was pretty easily handled by hulk. Just because hulk looks like a monster and goes on rampages and attacks teammates doesn't prove that he doesn't hold back. That's a common misconception among people, thinking since hulk is a monster and just wants to fight and smash things, why would he hold back?

Hulk I thought just the top scan would be enough, but @Dhruv went all out and ultimately put any doubts to rest.
@MrJaeger07 Even when Beyonder recognizes that the only finite thing inside the Hulk is Banner, he doesn't say because if not for Banner Hulk wouldn't hold back.

Hulk @MrJaeger07 Hulk gets misunderstood very often for rampaging when its not really like that. During his classic stories he would actually save the civilians from enemy attacks trying to prove their stronger. One of those people was Thor.
The Mighty Thor #385 and Incredible Hulk Annual 2001 showed Thor being the one who ends up endangering the civilians because he forgot about collateral damage. Both times Thor ends up reflecting that perhaps he judged the Hulk too quickly as it was himself who caused the damage not the "monster" himself who fled.
Thor himself has said he only holds back against mortals and that Hulk has always been far more.
Thor never beat Nul, he sent him away. He collapsed after.
This isn't a slight against Thor by the way. Hulk Annual 2001 is one of my favourite comics because it shows both characters very well in terms of power and personality.

Hulk Hulk never kills civilians. He saves them even though they wouldn't do the same for him.

Thor Like I said, MOST of the time the Hulk is an admirable hero who tries not to hurt (sadly not everyone sees it) and I may get to a neutral point with @Tyrannus and @Dhruv that he holds back almost as generally as Thor does, but I would love for them to also reach a neutral point with me in that there are also several moments in which the Hulk simply loses control and doesn't contain himself, there are several occasions in which he goes through what would be others bring scans about, but leaving this aside and concluding that both, both Thor and Hulk are equally contained, we would be left to analyze all their fights (without exception this time):

1. Avengers # 3:

This is the first fight that took place where the Hulk ties Thor with a steel cable, Thor warns him that he could get out of it in no time, but the Hulk literally leaves on a train before Thor can, but then they meet, but the Hulk has Namor helping him and he throws Thor's hammer away from him, but Thor is released from the grip but the fight ends unexpectedly when the Hulk turns to Bruce Banner.

2. Journey into Mystery # 112:

This one retells the same story from a different perspective and reveals part of the fight that took place outside the panel, so in those early days Thor has to hold on to his hammer at all times and if he lets go for more than sixty seconds. lost his powers (silly weakness). But in this fight, he asks his father Odin if he could retain power even without his hammer, but both parties are equally strong, but the fight still ends without a clear victor.

3. Fantastic Four # 26:

I don't think I should tell it, although the Hulk mentions that Thor's hammer is one of the few things he fears and that's quite interesting, but Thor basically tries to hit the Hulk on the run and fails.

4. Submariner # 35:

The Hulk gets a slight advantage here by hitting Thor so hard that he drops his hammer (remember Thor loses power after dropping his hammer for 60 seconds) but Thor gets it back before time runs out and the fight stops. There's no winner

5. Defenders # 10:

Thor and Hulk are portrayed as apologies as equals in this fight, the pose on the cover of the comic keeps him for an hour (Hulk in theory became more and more enraged and they were equally matched in strength at all times ...)

Thor 6. The Incredible Hulk # 227:

This one is pretty brutal because the Hulk crushes Mjolnir with one hand and throws Thor like a rag doll, but it was all a dream so it doesn't count.

7. The Incredible Hulk # 255:

The Hulk and Thor appear to be fairly evenly matched again, but the fight ends when they break the sealing of a tunnel and Thor opts to save some nearby travelers, causing him to drop his hammer for too long and shut down and the Hulk doesn't seem to do it. Understand where Thor went.

8. The Incredible Hulk # 284:

The Avengers have been brainwashed and scattered over time. The Hulk goes to the Viking age to save Thor, but Thor thinks the Hulk is a demon and beats him up a bit before returning to normal. Again nothing definable.

9. The Incredible Hulk # 300:

A mystical villain has awakened pure savagery in the Hulk making him more destructive than ever and Thor intends to stop him, the fight gets quite messy with the Hulk even picking up an adamantium statue to defeat Thor, but the god of thunder is too fast and He hits the statue with his hammer almost deafening everyone in Central Park, the two are evenly matched until Dr. Strange appears and throws the Hulk into another dimension.

10. The mighty Thor # 385:

Thor seems to control the fight for the first half of the story, he hits the Hulk twice as many times as the Hulk hits him and even has the Hulk in one scene, the Hulk gets mad at the hammer and the Hulk threatens to kill him. When the woman makes Thor drop his hammer, Thor agrees and seems to fight much closer afterward, the advantage even shifting to the Hulk. The hammer returns to Thor unintentionally after a few minutes and the Hulk admits that he is afraid to fight Thor when he has it, Thor again throws his hammer and fights with his bare hands again, but the Hulk practically gives up. Here Thor's strength with the hammer is quite established and without it it is almost equal to that of The Hulk. Thor wins (fight for which I think even without hammer Thor is slightly superior to Hulk)

11. Infinity Crusade # 4:

So Thor brainwashed him and smashed 2 Quinjets with his hammer, endangering the lives of several heroes. Fortunately, the Hulk and Drax are there to stop him, but the Hulk cannot fly, so as soon as Thor damages his jetpack, he launches himself to Earth.

12. The mighty Thor # 489:

Thor is now the slave of Hella (Asgardian god of death), so when the Hulk wants to bring his friend back to the land of life, he has to drag him kicking and screaming. Throughout the fight, they both admit that they are stopping for various reasons, but in the end, hella only tells them to get lost as she found a better deal and fears that they will destroy the entire kingdom if the two of them continue. They reveal that that was the unspoken plan all along.

13. The Incredible Hulk # 440:

So this is weird, some of you might be familiar with the future imperfect story where a future version of the Hulk called Master became so powerful that he conquered the world, no I'm not covering that part because if you read the story it is revealed that Thor he actually died in a massive war before The Hulk kicked in and they never fought in that timeline. This comic highlights The Hulk because he starts to turn into that super powerful dictator version of himself and Thor sends him to oppose him on another fast side Thor has lost his powers around this time, but recently got them back for this specific fight and he's not unsure if he's weaker or equal, but the fight between the two was so intense that the avengers and the U.S. military can see from far, far away through advanced video feed radar and seismographs, eventually Thor gets so into the fight that he flies into Warrior Insanity (a mentality that he can get in, multiplying his strength and speed by 10) after seeing the insanity that the US government decides that Both Hulk and Thor are too big of a threat to put up with, so they drop a super nuke, but the Hulk sees the nuke coming and throws Thor out of the line of fire to save his life.

Thor 14. Wild Hulk: the strongest there is:

This is a short story that shows the Hulk defeating a practical army of enemies, including Thor, but it is revealed to be a dream that Dr. Strange put him in to help him let go of his aggression.

15. Wild Hulk: Vision-Quest:

This is a pretty short fight, Thor clearly doesn't want to fight, but Hulk throws some punches and rocks at Thor, knocks Hulk off a cliff destroying the cliff, and Iron Man flies to break things.

16. Heroes Reborn: The Return:

This battle is impossible to judge as all we see is a panel where the Hulk hit him with Thor and The Thing and then shows that the Hulk just escaped.

17. Avengers # 5:

This one begins with the Hulk taking advantage. Punch Thor on the butt and try to push his hammer away, then Thor takes advantage of his advantage that appears to knock the Hulk down with a powerful thunder strike, but in the end it is Hulk victorious over the unconscious Thor, but it was later revealed that this Thor was fake and also the Thor from the last comic.

18. The Incredible Hulk Annual 2001:

The Hulk and Thor trade a few blows before Thor decides that Earth is too fragile and takes their fight to another universe where the Hulk throws him off a mountain. Thor comes out of the rubble and resumes his fight, but it turns out that this dimension is also breakable and Thor doesn't like to cause wildfires. The Hulk decides to lash out at Thor while Thor turns his back on him, but Thor knocks out the Hulk with a thunderclap and prepares to carry the unconscious Hulk back home, but The Hulk wakes up during the return trip and lets go of his arm. of Thor throwing himself towards a planet with an atmosphere that hits the Hulk again and turns him into Bruce Banner. Thor decides to try again, but the Hulk wakes up again and knocks Thor to the ground and knocks him to the ground. Hulk is about to leave, but Thor is not KO, he's just stunned. Thor gets up and washes the Hulk with a flood. Hulk comes out but basically escapes at this point. Thor took the time to take the Hulk to different dimensions and also put out fires even hit the Hulk. Thor wins.

19. The mighty Thor # 73:

Thor has taken over the world and merged the culture, science, traditions, and people of Asgard with those of Earth. Several big-name heroes aren't happy about it, so they band together and decide to take the fight to Thor, but he beats them all. There is a brief moment where Dr. Strange strips Thor of the Odinforce, making him temporarily vulnerable and allowing The Hulk and The Thing to take some photos of him, but he kills them both. Thor wins.

20. Onslaught Reborn # 2 and # 3:

Onslaught has taken over Thor's body and decides that he has to kill the Hulk to cement his reign, beating the Hulk a bit and almost frying him with a thunderclap. When he is about to deliver the final blow, he realizes that he cannot lift the hammer, while distracted, the Hulk awakens but the attack jumps to the Hulks body. He then picks up Thor very confused and literally knocks him to the moon. But then it turned out to be the same fake Thor.

Thor 21. Hulk: Let the Battle Begin:

This one has a very short duration with Thor hitting the Hulk in the face 3-4 times before giving in pain. Thor thinks the fight is over but the Hulk surprises him by throwing himself back and grabbing Thor's hand and hitting the hammer in Thor's face several times, Thor didn't see it coming. Hulk wins

22. Avengers vs Atlas # 3:

The Hulk is angry and wants to crush the Avengers, Thor and the rest of the team are completely off guard, but as soon as Thor gets into the game he throws everyone to a safer battle location only for the Hulk to punch him in the face. as soon as they land. But so many Avengers fight alongside Thor and later a mermaid named Siren sings a soothing tune that turns the Hulk into Bruce Banner.

23. Breaking into The Marvel Way: Thor: Hammer and Sinew comics:

This one is really short, but in this story Thor and his Asgardian friends briefly discuss a recent unseen battle in which Thor lost his cool and nearly killed the Hulk. Hulk seemed totally wrecked at that. Thor wins (it seems that here Hulk did not know how to carry the Warrior Madness very well, right?)

24. Fear Itself # 5:

The Hulk and The Thing have been possessed by a pair of Asgardian gods who have a real problem with Thor, making both characters more powerful than ever. Thor takes care of The Thing fast enough, but does a few rounds with the Hulk. Then Thor uses a massive Thunder Strike that destroys everything around him, including the Hulk being thrown into space. Thor wins.

25. Hulk Smash Avengers # 1:

The Avengers track down the Hulk after he's been insane for a while (clearly he wasn't holding back this time). Thor along with other avengers tries to contain him, but he breaks free and escapes.

26. Avengers Assemble # 4:

Thor is about to make the first confrontation with Thanos when the Hulk suddenly grabs his hand to stop the attack. Thor looks at him confused and the Hulk smashes him to the ground with Thor's hammer rendering him unconscious for a moment. Thanos had taken control of the Hulk. Hulk wins.

27. Avengers # 1:

Another super villain takes control of the Hulk's mind and tells him to attack Thor. And that's no idea what happens after that.

28. Hulk # 9:

In this issue there is a segment in which the Master (Evil Hulk From Future) appears again. He punches every known Hero, including Thor, who later turns out to be a dream.

29. Avengers # 27:

So this fight takes place in an alternate reality where the Hulk appears and starts a fight with the regular Avengers, he takes a pretty good hit on Thor before Thor jumps in to give him a well-deserved reward, but Aim is watching from a distance. and capture everyone in temporary armor.

The above officially explains every Thor vs Hulk fight in canon where Thor won 5 times and Hulk won 2 breaks were not applicable.

Regardless of which hero you technically choose, Thor must always win, as he's much faster than the Hulk, he is generally much smarter than the Hulk, Mjolnir is basically an unbreakable knife filled with magic.

Of the previous non-Canon fights, Thor won 7 times and Hulk won 5 times, the rest were not applicable.
Result: Thor: 12 and Hulk: 7

Conclusion: Thor was quite even on many occasions against Hulk EVEN WITHOUT HAVING HIS HAMMER so, considering that these two are equal in strength but Thor is faster, powerful and intelligent, Thor would also win (in my opinion according to the mega analysis that I just did). I hope you guys read and don't take all this effort on my part lightly

Hulk @MrJaeger07 I appreciate the effort you put up in all of this, but I know what I am gonna say, you won't like it and please forgive me if you feel bad, I know you took this info from that video , which I am not gonna talk about .Its not a bad thing to take idea from that video.. I mean, yeah the video was good, it covered most of the battles, but that dude was like so biased to thor, he went against the writers and the story and gave wins to thor which he clearly didn't get. Thor clearly hasn't even won once without his hammer, apart from when he was king thor and was against professor hulk which is one of the weakest versions of hulk.

Hulk @MrJaeger07 Like @Dhruv said it appears as though you've just copied this word for word. In The Mighty Thor #385 it was Hulk who won after proving he was stronger. That battle is actually the most important because its the exact conditions for this very battle, and its Hulk who was winning. Hulk doesn't give up and run, he'd made his point and left.
Also BFR doesn't count.

Thor @Dhruv What video are you referring to and what person do you say is biased with Thor? All the information that I put was taken from a web page that I have been using for a long time and it has never disappointed me, I put it because I have seen most of the battles and what they narrate agrees with what I have read

Thor @Tyrannus I literally brought every CANONICAL battles these two have ever had and none of them tell you anything except which Hulk is the winner? frr don't tell me that The Mighty Thor # 385 is the closest to these battle conditions and that's why he wins when on the Hulk vs Thor page without any fight condition you still think blindly he wins. Also, what does **BFR** mean?

Hulk Where did you get your source from? @Dark_Wing made this battle because of that comic. It should have been very obvious anyway. What's blindly about this? BFR is battle field removal. Its when the fighter just removes his opponent instead of defeating them.

Thor @Tyrannus This one: https://es.mort-sure.com/note/hulk-vs-thor-comic/
And don't you think that, if the opponent takes you off the battlefield and you are not able to return back (BFR), it still counts as a victory? I know it sounds a bit unfair because you don't know how much more the rival could give and it's not that I say that as Nightwing is capable of teleporting Thing out of the battlefield it already means he's stronger but that would already be out of context XD, it would also be pretty boring that the only ways to defeat someone are knocking them out or killing them (in my opinion), not to mention that thor before that one-shotted Angrir and had a fairly even match with Nul and thanks to his hax he was able to send him away with his pure collateral damage so don't think that was BFR at all dude

Hulk @MrJaeger07 See this video.

The website from which you looked up this might have copied the info from this video, since exactly what he says word by word was in your answer, maybe the person who made the video copied from the website, but that is unlikely otherwise most would have said that in the comments section. Now, I won't object your opinion ,if you think what he says about the battles was true,then who am I to tell you what's right or wrong, in my opinion, yes, he was biased to thor, Fear Itself was not a win for thor, nor was The Mighty Thor 385, nor Incredible Hulk Annual 2001. I can make arguments, only if you want.

Thor The truth is that everything that says is hauntingly very close to the page from which I get the info, I don't know if the video was copied from that page or vice versa but I suppose it wouldn't have much relevance because both are biased sources.
I agree that The Mighty Thor #385 wasn't a victory for Thor, but neither was it for the Hulk since Thor never stayed on the ground and sent Hulk away with Mjolnir, Hulk maybe hit more times but that's not what matters most, since despite that Thor also gave some good blows (without his hammer), but although it seemed that in some moments the Hulk won Thor simply continued fighting and at the end he ended up with some injuries and Hulk not due to the accelerated regeneration factor that Hulk has, which in theory healed his wounds faster, which would be completely logical, so I would leave this more in a draw.
Fear itself definitely counts and please don't continue arguing against this by saying that it was BFR, when clearly Nul was left unconscious in space and that also counts as a victory, if you look closely at the vignette of the drawing on that page you can see how Nul has his eyes closed and apparently does not say anything more, not to mention that before Thor was fighting at the same time against Angrir and that made things even more difficult for him, there is no other way to interpret it unless you are clearly against Thor.
And whether or not you count Incredible Hulk annual as Thor's victory, he would continue to have more victories in total, so I wouldn't mind leaving this part aside as long as it's in a draw since that battle clearly none won and they preferred to save civilians rather.

Hulk BFR isn't winning. That's just removing the opponent. They couldn't overpower them. In Fear Itself, Nul was completely fine when he landed and continued his rampage with Dracula. Thor collapsed.
Like @Dhruv said, they made unfair passements in Thor's favour. Hulk performed much better in Thor #385 but as Thor was still standing I can accept it as a draw.
Fear Itself was defiantly not a victory, it was BFR. Nul was completely fine as he begins to speak again mid flight and continues his rampage in Dracula's domain. Thor admits he could never beat Hulk.
Incredible Hulk Annual was a clear draw. Both got knock downs on each other and the writer considered it a draw.

Hulk BFR stands for "Basically F---ing Running"

Hulk So does this mean hulk held back when he fought sentry and Odin who both beat him

Hulk Yes

Thor Current Thor wins 5.5 or 6/10 battles, Classic maybe not

Hulk That isn't base Thor. We already have a separate page for Cosmic King Thor.

Thor almost always? fr, see my comments above and then you come and tell me if you keep thinking the same.

Hulk He's only done it once when it catches Hulk off guard

Hulk In Hulk Let the Battle Begin Thor struck Hulk with lightening and it only made Hulk angrier

Hulk Hulk cracks his skull again

Thor In Hulk: Let the Battle Begin, Thor was caught off guard when Hulk was speaking to him. In the middle of a battle!?

Hulk How was he caught off guard? Thor was literally facing Hulk with his weapon at the ready. That's the complete opposite. And how does speaking catch you off guard?

Thor Even if he was off guard (which he wasn't, that whole "hE HiT hIm In ThE bAcK" BS is just a nitpick you like to blow out of proportion here yet ignore all the other times it's happened in comics and dodge the analogies that debunk it by claiming stuff they aren't) it doesn't change how durable you are. He's done it again on other occasions.
In HLTBB Thor wasn't trying to hurt Hulk with that, merely get his attention which is why the bolt did nothing. Notice Thor instantly tells Hulk to surrender rather than vaporizing him because he doesn't even want to fight him in the first place. He says "again I say to you surrender" because he told him to surrender beforehand and Hulk didn't hear it over the explosions and people screaming so Thor had to gently tap him. Saying that contradicts Hulk Annual 2001 is like saying my 6 pound puppy can survive my angriest punchers unharmed because I can gently tap her on the back and that doesn't do any harm. I've told you all this before, not sure why you're living in the Denial River.

Hulk Says I blow things out of proportion but sends a huge paragraph over a small comment and involves himself in a discussion that didn't involve you. And we're not even talking about 2001, we meant HLTBB. Your just looking to prolong this argument as long as you can at this point aren't you?
But if you want to go down that road then Hulk's win in 2001 and AA 2012 was also fair then right because it doesn't affect durability. Obviously you'll deny it though because you have different rules for Hulk and Thor.
Wrong. If he wanted to get his attention he just needed to call out to Hulk like anyone else would. Striking him with lightening was an attack. Stop making excuses.
Lmao "gently tap him". Yeah and then Hulk "gently taps" Thor away with his own hammer so he can get away.

Thor Thor wasn't even using lightning in this scan

Hulk He very rarely uses it anyway even with mjolnir.

Thor Thor wasn't even going all out here either. He was watching out for civilians but hulk could give a **** about them. Modern Thor uses lightning way more also

Hulk Where's your proof Thor wasn't holding back? He knew he was causing damage to his surroundings but wanted to keep going anyway. Hulk does care because it's been shown before that Banner does hold him back and that he won't purposely endanger civilians.

Hulk @ThorMathews
Thor stated he went all out and became blinded to win against hulk.



In Incredible Hulk Annual 26 thor put the humans in danger while hulk saved them. In the end, thor realises his mistake.

Thor @Dhruv if Thor was truly going all out Earth would have been destroyed, as we've seen when he's fought Gorr just the shockwaves of their blows cracked planets around them.

Thor @Tyrannus Hulk cares? Why in the comic did he threaten to hurt a women then if Thor didn't put the hammer down?

Hulk @ThorMathews Well that happens in comics quite a lot of times, characters state they are going all out yet the planet never gets destroyed. Sentry is also an example. Tbh, literally every fight between hulk and thor, regardless if they are holding back or not should end up with atleast a universe getting obliterated, but it never happens.

Hulk Hulk would also destroyed the planet had he stopped holding back. Also that's a different comic. We're talking about 2001. In #385 Hulk was never going to hurt the woman he just knew Thor would give in first.

Thor I don't think morals on Thor would do that.

Thor @Dark_Wing, the problem is, Thor can destroy him like how he did in Fear Itself if he doesn't know who Hulk is. Btw, that wasn't even Thor's full power in that issue

Thor Once again you're trying to use evidence I place on battles against me instead of actually reading the comics for yourself. That WAS Thor's full power and he WAS bloodlusted during that fight which is implied when he screams "now you die" and hits him with a full power hit from Mjolnir which did absolutely nothing to Nul (amped up Hulk) as Thor in the next panel is seen kneeling and claiming that he could never beat the Hulk before he then screams "did you now" and hits him with his most powerful lightning bolt and even that only BFRs Hulk with Thor falling unconscious (which implies he wasn't holding back). Any proof that that was not Thor's full power?

Thor Yes. Thor's potential is far above that, he can atomize Hulk, banish him to another place, use Anti Force blasts and etc. And, I don't use your evdience against you. I've read that and I know Thor wasn't holding back. The reason I put it here is I think Thor isn't gonna hold back against a green monster.

Thor He almost never uses those abilities so it wouldn't make sense for them to use those here and now also he needs Mjolnir for both of those abilities. I'm glad you don't use my reasoning against me because sometimes (but VERY RARELY) twist/exaggerate facts to amp up my own argument which is such a gamble on my part because on one hand I can decimate the argument and on the other I get debunked times a million which is why I never use that tactic against @Sora or @MoP because I respect those two as better debaters than I am. And also Thor holds back against all mortals and Hulk is a mortal so Thor wouldn't use his 💯 percent full power on him but at the same time he won't hold back in fear of decimating his friend like he normally dose. Remember this is still morals on and isn't bloodlusted.

Thor I don't think Thor isn't gonna get savage against a guy like Hulk (if he doesn't know who is). Also, remember, the berseker rage can take control of Thor. And you know what happens after this...

Thor Did he get savage against Mangog? I think you just explained why Thor won't likely use Warriors Madness against Hulk while debunking yourself in the process.

Thor @Dark_Wing Mangog is far above Hulk. Mangog has power of everyone from his type.

Thor Also, Thor isn't gonna hold back against a monster like Hulk. He gone savage against Beta Ray Bill (for a weapon). He didn't hold back in fear itself too.

Thor "Thor isn't gonna hold back against a monster like Hulk"

Unless him going all out would destroy the planet they're fighting on (which Thor and Hulk are strong enough to easily do). Remember Thor doesn't just suppress himself because he doesn't want to decimate his friend with a GodBlast, he also suppresses himself because 1: he doesn't want to lose control in Warriors Madness 2: he wants to limit the collateral damage 3: he prefers to take the time to enjoy fights rather than ending them quickly. Understand?

"He gone savage against Beta Ray Bill (for a weapon)"

What? You're going to have to use better grammar my friend.

"He didn't hold back in fear itself too."

Yuh, and that Hulk (also known as Nul the Breaker of Worlds) gave Thor injuries that even Odin couldn't fully heal while forcing Thor to say this. Oh and Thor had Mjolnir during that fight so it's completely irrelevant to this debate.

Thor That's what I exactly mean there: Thor went Warrior Madness and fought BRB for stormbreaker.

Thor Was that in Blood and Thunder?

Thor Unworthy Thor

Thor I don't remember him using Warriors Madness in that comic

Thor @DarkWing here:

Thor And wasn't he imprisoned and went insane from that before he could use Warriors Madness? You're also forgetting that Thor has to go insane to even use Warriors Madness even then he tries to avoid it at all cost.

Thor Thor was imprisoned and yes, he went insane. I think he is likely go insane against Hulk. I think because you have written there both doesn't know each other and go for KO. Also, Donald Blake was able to kick Hulk's ass without mjolnir and Donald Blake is below regular Thor and isn't able to use his powers without mjolnir. Think about it...

Thor You're once again forgetting that Thor never wants to go Warriors Madness and only ever uses it when something dives him to the point of using it, it'll kinda be out of character for him to intentionally try to use it for obvious reasons. In which comic did Donald Blake beat up Hulk without Mjolnir? In The Mighty Thor (1966) #385 Thor can struggles to even keep up with Hulk without Mjolnir. And think about what?

Hulk You need to change your vote Clint

not voted you could just put the unworthy thor instead of writing that

Hulk I found it on the home page. Also this already happened and Hulk was beating Thor until Mjolnir came back to him. I've told you this before