The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification.
What it DOESN'T mean
This doesn't mean that a higher class would always beat a lower class character. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight.
How is this calculated
( INT^1.3 + (STR*0.5 )^2 + (SPE*0.5)^2 + DUR^1.6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1.8 ) ^ TIER
Super Power Score and Level
Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation.
The Hulk is whoever Stan wanted him to be so whatever he says is actually fact.
Key word: Could
btw happy birthday
@Tyrannus: Leaning towards something still implies you're open to another option. (EX. I like both apple juice and orange juice, but lean towards apple juice. I still would drink orange juice, i just like apple juice a little more.)
Also you keep ignoring what I said. Its like you just don't want to admit you got it wrong.
Also, idk what ur saying i'm ignoring- is it abt the creators? I don't give a flying fish abt what their opinions are. I have my OWN. I'm not wrong in having my opinion...
@Tyrannus: Again, a 2017 article. Would they still say that abt current Superman?...I'm not being dogdy. I'm actually using what i know abt both characters to form my conclusion. Instead of just letting others decide my answer.
They said this barely half a decade before you voted Superman, no?
We're using evidence to decide our answer. Why don't you?
And use Leser eyes
Superman has never even faced Darth Vader and neither has Hulk so he's not relevant here.
Now there's a character called Lockdown lol! Who is Lockdown?
"Hulk is weakness"??? What does that even mean? I'm sorry man but your English is terrible. This was really hard to read. It sounded like a child wrote this.
But if preference decides winner instead of logic i would have favorite characters as Wolverine, Captain America and Daredevil beat bouth Superman and the Hulk.
I know there is a lot of voting because of preference but i think its more interesting with a more objective view.
Superman got superior versatility, speed, intelligence and is also the more skilled fighter.
Incredible Hulk got the superior healing factor its his advantage in this battle.
Strength and durability is very even and will not give either of them any advantage.
Also Superman may fly and is not limited to the ground like the Hulk.
When comparing them its obvious Superman got more advantages and would be the winner in a physical conflict.
Superman may be faster but Hulk has one of the best reaction speeds in comics. He's almost never been speed blitzed.
Superman may be smarter but Hulk isn't dumb either. Its not really going to be a helpful factor here. Neither is skill.
Strength however clearly goes to Hulk. Even if we assumed they're equal in strength initially, Hulk gets stronger as they fight. So does his durability and other stats.
Flying shouldn't be relevant unless Superman wants to fly away from the fight.
Your basing this off who has more powers. By that logic the Silver Surfer should beat 99% of heroes but he tends to lose the vote instead.
Classic Hulk didn't go away, its still this version of Hulk. While classic Hulk had more consistent high end feats, so did almost every hero back in the day.
So many people think Hulk can be speedblitz and when Superman himself tried this in their crossover he got sent into space. And that was Hulk caught off guard form behind.
Also in their crossovers, Superman was the clear winner in 2 of their fights, while Hulk won none.
Hulk didn't use full might either.
Hulk will always be much stronger given his powers. Its not even a contest.
In the 1st fight Superman gets KO'd by Hulk. Superman wasn't able to return the favour.
In the 2nd fight it was Professor Hulk who can't get stronger with anger.
In the 3rd fight there was no winner but it debunked the speedblitzing argument. Even Superman called him fast
What Superman flying away and coming back achieve? That's essentially saying Superman needs a break to recover in order to beat Hulk.
"If I wrote the story, I guarantee the Hulk would win. The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got. And Superman has a certain amount of strength and that's it. I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but never the Hulk."
This fight can go one in two ways. Either the Hulk wins or Superman does. There’s no guarantee that one will cancel out the other by 100%. It just depends on whether Superman is able to fly away which would just CONFUSE The Hulk, come back, fly him to the air, drop him, fly him back to the ground, and slam him OR if Superman used his laser vision, Hulk dodges it somehow, grabs Superman, does the Loki slam (as seen in the Avengers), and break his limbs ONE BY ONE. Again, to me, it’s unclear as to who would fully win given the advantages of both characters
Superman is smarter which is why he tried calming Hulk down instead of trying to outfight him in the comic I think you're referring to.
However in that comic Hulk had previously KO'd Superman earlier. And something that the Superman fans never seem to mention is that the comic described Hulk at mountain level. Hulk's easily destroyed planets before at the bare minimum but the writer nerfed Hulk to mountain level here for some reason.
I'm confused. You said Hulk has magic and krytonite to hurt Superman then also said he doesn't.
No one has ever been able to describe a situation where Hulk can lose to Superman though. That's the problem I have. Having to fly away is basically forfeiting the fight.
Hulk would catch Superman before he'd be taken to space.
"Anything that will hurt Superman. Yes but not to the extent that kryptonite and magic do." I'm not saying Superman is COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE, I'm just saying The Hulk can't do AS MUCH DAMAGE as kryptonite and magic do. Yes, if the two got into a fight, Superman would most likely lose. However, Hulk's attacks WOULD NOT take away Superman's abilities or make it so that he can't do anything. The Hulk can injure Superman for some time and that's how he would win but at the same time, it doesn't have the same effect kryptonite and magic do
I was talking about where Superman blocked Hulk's punches without breaking a sweat too
Wasn't that in my scan? Hulk was punching him and he wasn't moving.
Hulk wouldn't stay frozen for long. Not even adamantium has been able to hold Hulk and even if Superman could freeze him long enough to send him to the Phantom Zone, that's just BFR.
I should clarify that I understand you are arguing Hulk has a better chance of winning just not a 100% chance. However I just can't see a scenario where Hulk can be beaten through fighting.
Yes Superman did KO Hulk in one crossover however it was Professor Hulk (weakest version) and yet Superman still said he took everything he had.
And what's more that battle was fan voted meaning the writers had also prepared a scenario where Hulk won too.
Hulk may not have all the stats in his favour but again how does that help here. Superman can attack him faster but that would only make Hulk angrier.
Yes but BFR isn't really proving you can beat your opponent though. Its just saying you can remove them from the arena.
I believe how the fight would end is Superman would see that Hulk's power comes from rage. All it would take is Superman waiting for Hulk's adrenaline to become deteriorating and then wait for him to return into Bruce Banner again. Like that's how I see it. People you don't need PREP to figure out one's weakness if you're a genius.
Thanks for that..that's what I figured.. Superman some say can fly faster than the speed of light..I know flash could get to the Sun in a sec..Superman is either way... obviously flash can't fly but if he could...
Durability: Hulk but debatable.
Speed: Superman, by A LOT
Size: Hulk, but this is a non-factor that doesn't even matter.
If Superman died by doomsday and Hulk would beat doomsday, that proves that Hulk would also beat superman. BOOM logic
@SSpiderGwen Hulk literally punched time itself. Superman wouldn't be able to make it back to his own time period because the Hulk would meet him there. Sorry for your hopes, the Hulk can do it to but punch his way through. Hulk is literally immortal, but once supes dies, he's dead.
"I never said the Hulk is faster, I said the Hulk has been able to punch his way through time." - I don't know but that still doesn't make Hulk win regardless of that.
The Hulk Vs Superman crossover is non-canon. Crossovers are negative from the site. So it doesn't matter what happens in between a marvel/Dc comic from this site.
"he's a better fighter than you think and a lot faster too." - You literally just said Hulk isn't faster and now you say he is i'm confused. Superman is a better fighter, hell no. Superman was trained by Batman a guy that knows 127 martial arts and Wonder woman a goddess.
Hulk has consistently displayed universal feats and beyond. His power is nearly limitless. And he is invulnerable and pretty much immortal. This all means Hulk has a slight edge over Superman and can take the win. Throw him into the sun? He most likely won't let that happen and even if he can, that won't harm him in any way, and he can simply retaliate with a thunderclap which can destroy the entire galaxy. Freeze him? Nice try, he can break out of adamantium casually. Heat vision? Hulk's invulnerability and regeneration counters it. Brute force? Hulk is the KING of brute force, his strength is immeasurable and grows constantly, allowing him to defeat almost any opponent. Speedblitz? Hulk isn't as slow as people think, he's also MFTL.
P.S Wonder Woman technically isn't a goddess. She's a demigod Amazon.
Question: What is the source of hulk's power or what are hulk's powers based on?
Question: What is gamma?
"There is SCIENCE -- but there is also MAGIC, eh? And GAMMA is a little of both."
Still not convinced? Here's another
"But from another angle -- from above, or below -- it's a MAGIC spell."
"Gamma radiation is science. It's measurable, predictable, it has rules...
"...Until it doesn't. Until it makes Hulks and Sasquatches and Leaders. Metaphor people.
"Until it's MAGIC."
Thor doesn't either necessarily need magic to beat Superman.
@Tyrannus Hulk increases in power once he gets to Worldbreaker level.
They probably did that because they hate the Hulk but also hate DC, therefore just split the votes to avoid suspicion.
And yeah we know you are not a bot @Mr_Incognito (not every superman voter is a bot).
@Tyrannus Dude, Hulk is one of the top ten greatest comic book characters of all time. Votes are not only skewed for Supes and Bats. If anything, him being Superman is a disadvantage. Superman is the guy to beat, people don’t want to see him win. He’s the big blue boy scout, not the badass antihero. Many people here lack comic book knowledge of Superman, they look up scans or go off of the small amount they know.
Superman is the guy EVERYONE wants to win. Saving the day is what he's known for. When there's a lack of knowledge the default answer is Superman. I personally do it too.
It won't be 3v1. I thought you said your in the majority here eh.
Not anymore. If you ask most people to describe Superman, they’d likely say “boring.”
Yeah, but those people don’t comment.
Every hero's been called boring. You called SS boring while I see him as very unique. Its subjective.
And why not I wonder.
That pretty much puts him in solar system level in my opinion as he says he can juggle the outer planets without breaking a sweat. Imagine if he tried with his full force. And with that being said, professor hulk is generally regarded as one of the weakest versions of hulk as his strength doesn't increase with his anger.
@Dhruv I appreciate the scan, but one thing I can’t help but bring up is that is just a statement, not a feat. That is still proof, but Hulk isn’t actually demonstrating it.
Also I know you said to stay out of the debate, but I can't help but bring up that the other feats he mentioned were true so why wouldn't that one be? Banner isn't the type to brag about lies...
What I said was with the exception of a few, those votes can't be relied on because they are lacking knowledge about the battle, bots, or biased (basically a bot).
Also, you using the votes to support your opinion is lame. It's like if I go hey, Superman's got a higher power level than Hulk! He wins!
So, a fly has better speed feats than me.
@Galactus Uh oh another Beastprime alt
Supreme lord complete ultra instinct simp @Oblivian kissing @Galactus' ass.
Here Grey Hulk actually destroys a planet twice the size of earth.
Grey Hulk is arguably weaker than Professor Hulk. Hulk's base strength was boosted after Sakaar too.
To be fair 9/10 the people who complain are the Superman voters not Thor's. And you have accused Hulk voters of the same.
Superman literally has NO WINS against base Hulk. He struggled against the weakest version. We've been through this.
YES HE DOES! I already shwoed you Superman with the gloves off literally couldn't even be moved by the Hulk and tired him out. That counts as a win, end of story. That other fight was not against professor Hulk, Banner was just in control at the time. Prove that it was professor Hulk.
And I already debunked that. Hulk only gets tired if he's not angry. If he wanted to keep fighting, Superman would lose. Banner being in control is exactly what Professor Hulk is. Look at the timeline, Hulk was Professor Hulk at the time of the crossover. Stop trying to doubt or avoid the truth constantly.
Its funny how the Flash has been outran several times but he's still accepted as the fastest but when it comes to Hulk, there's always scepticism. As @Dhruv said we exclude Skyfather beings and above but otherwise Hulk is the undisputed strongest.
Even if I accept that, Superman has still beat base Hulk.
Oh, here we go again. First of all it depends on the version of Flash your talking about. Second of all that’s mainly been done by other versions of the Flash. Hulk isn’t untouchable in strength. Multiple characters have feats that are infinite weight.
Its literal fact that Hulk won't get tired unless he's not angry. That's like me not wanting to accept Superman can fly. And actually it was Hulk who was able to KO Superman, not the other way round.
When I say Flash that typically means Barry or Wally but that makes little difference here. Who said Hulk was untouchable? Why do you always go to extremes? Unless those beings are skyfather or above, Hulk is stronger.
@Taurus Base Hulk is typically seen as savage Hulk. Technically he's not the strongest like that but he grows in strength which is why I just say Hulk.
I already disproved Superman was knocked out. Hulk just hit him hard and he hit the ground. He wasn’t unconscious. Superman tired him out and he turned back, which counts as a win since he could’ve knocked him out right there.
You didn't. I said you go limp when your KO'd twice now with no response. I don't care if you get offended, your actually lying about the fight. Hulk calmed down AFTER the machine annoying him was destroyed. Had Hulk remained angry he was going to beat Superman. That's a win for Hulk, despite being massively nerfed.
Yes I did. KO means Knocked Out. He didn’t even go limp, he was just hit into the ground. Knocked out = unconscious. You said he was knocked out, he wasn’t. Therefore you lied. You’re deluded. That battle clearly showed Superman winning. Hulk tired himself out and then calmed down.
Also if Superman was not KO'd why would he let himself hit the ground? We all know he has a good healing factor which means he could've recovered from a minor concussion fairly quickly.
Please actually read the whole comic.
"miles across the metropolis river his limp body plunges to earth"
There's no need for insults now. Irony is that very clearly doesn't show Superman winning. Hulk was fine.
Your literally ignoring us now probably becasue you know your wrong. Hulk can't get tired if he's angry. He can only get tired if he's calm.
Hulk caught him by surprise. When Superman was ready for him Hulk wasn’t hurting him.
@MrJaeger07 Crossovers aren't canon.
Again that's not what the comic says. It says "fists that can shatter mountains slam...".
Can you stop acting petty? It just makes you sound salty. And I've actually been entertaining this crossover argument even though its not even canon. @MrJaeger07 was the one who brought up this isn't canon so why bother.
Until you can show me a scan of Superman actually KOing or killing Hulk in that comic, he clearly did not win. As you don't actually read them, I doubt I'll see anything or you'll just show Professor Hulk from a separate fan voted non canon comic.
Feats: Hulk > Superman
Statements: Hulk > Superman
Popularity: Superman >>> Hulk
Non-canon fan voted comic: Hulk >= Superman
Feats: Superman > Hulk
Statements: Superman = Hulk (Both sides have been argued for)
Popularity: Superman > Hulk (I'll admit that but nowadays people don't like Superman that much)
Superman won in that comic but ok.
Hulk's punched through space, time and reality.
When has Superman punched through the multiverse?
Unless your referring to the Book of Infinity (which he dropped and had Shazam help) or the time he slowed down Spectre's decent (WW and GL had to help and they still collapsed afterwards) they don't count.
Hulk has kept up with Dr Strange's Astral form. The speed of thought is faster than light.
Hulk can react to Superman no problem.
They're not taking an exam, they're fighting.
Even if we say Superman's more durable, Hulk's durability just rises with his anger. His healing would more than make up for it in the meantime.
More powers doesn't equal victory. We've been through this.
Superman has been and always will be the most popular. Don't confuse people who don't blindly vote Superman for haters.
Once the misconceptions have been cleared, @Taurus's analysis is still right
Yeah also Aquaman has at least as many powers as the Flash, and has more experience. Now who wins in a fight?
DC's Hulk is likely Doomsday.
He's stronger than Superman, no questions ask, Hulk and Supes can do the same thing but Supes always needs help lifting while hulk doesn't
Hulk is also more durable, Hulk isn't vulnerable to magic, red sun or Even Krytonite, you have to use intelligence to beat hulk
now yes, Supes is faster but Hulk has litterly battled people like Sentry, silver surfer, hyperion, Gladiator, Blue Marvel and plenty of others who are just as fast as Superman
If they happen to agree with me then I most likely won't, and that's usually the extent of bias.
By the way, you won't understand unless you play the game.
2) Just because some troll said something doesn't mean you have to apply it to others.
@Dhruv I agree, but clearly we all don't. Out of all of the people who back the Hulk, I don't mind you or @Taurus that much. There's some other people.
The funny thing is I don't have the same stance when I join which is why I wish you were there when I did. Whenever I used to vote against Hulk I would get debunked and instead of denying everything I listened.
I don't know why you have a problem with me. I'm fine with you even though you've generalised me and argued things I don't believe in.
I don’t have a problem with you as a person. You just bother me when you always insert yourself into my debates and call me a liar and biased. Most of your arguments are just ad hominem.
Also what evidence are you looking for? I'm starting to feel that even if someone brings irrefutable proof (have they not?) you would still dismiss it.
I just agreed that Superman will win this fight 🤩💅🏻💄💋
So no 😉👎🏻
@mrincognito i dont really think any superman fan thinking he is limitless unlike hulk fans,
This isnt a debate no longer,i see,this is a Hulk fan club meeting lmao,Superman stomps.
@Oblivian Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he is "fodder" or "boring". Just stfu and stop insulting something in every response you make.
@Lapis_Lazuli What the f**k did I just witness.
That fact that you believe the overwhelming evidence backing Hulk is just "bad arguments" shows how biased you are. I've shown you the best evidence in the form of writers from both sides and the biggest voice in comics, Stan Lee all saying Hulk wins. You need to accept when your wrong.
I've never gotten personal nor have I used insults but it is annoying how you consistently lie and when I call you out on it you just repeat it again and double down.
There is not overwhelming evidence. Most of the evidence points to Superman winning. Superman literally holds every single advantage besides pure strength, which he is a contender in. I’ve given more evidence than you have and you still don’t accept what I tell you. Again, Stan Lee was the head of marvel. In many panels he’s made fun of Superman as a character. Obviously he’s going to say Hulk wins. I’m not wrong, and almost 500 other people agree with me.
Stop calling me a liar. All you do is try to discredit me instead of actually proving me wrong. You have yet to actually show how i’m a liar by the way.
@Mr_Incognito 1) Writers of DC also agree Hulk wins (yes I am aware not the same but still).
2) Those people are bots, or just biased.
3) Hulk has a way better healing factor, more durability, and adapts and grows stronger at a WAY higher rate than Superman.
4) My profile pic shows Superman's ripped cape on Maestro's mantle...gold ain't it?
2. Ok, then i’m completely at liberty to say the same thing about the Thor vs Superman battle, since many are accounts with no activity. Whenever people on that battle claimed bots, Thor fans said it was because people didn’t want to admit that Thor would win. So if you can say that here, I can say it there.
3. Wrong, wrong, and debatable. Superman is invincible and as long as he is under the sun will heal instantaneously. Superman has taken hits from Multiversal brings like Imperiex, Darkseid, and Mordru and consistently been fine afterwards. If the fight is near the Sun, Hulk isn’t going to be surpassing Superman anytime soon.
3) What if they aren't under the sun?
Your best evidence is a non-canon fan voted win over the weakest Hulk. You should be making this case there; (https://www.superherodb.com/professor-hulk-vs-superman/90-222857/#) not here.
Hulk has better strength, healing and maybe durability and reaction. And they all improve with his rage
I'm convinced your trolling at this point because its @Dhruv, @Taurus and I who've provided more evidence while you've still been unable to prove the very first question.
Stan Lee's never really belittled Superman he just says that's not how he writes his characters as he prefers them to have their own internal weaknesses and struggles than a green rock.
Lots of people also agree Batman beats Superman. What's your point?
I've repeatedly asked you to prove the first claim/question, you've repeatedly claimed Superman's beaten Hulk (even though he's only ever won against Professor Hulk) and you always assume anyone who votes Hulk uses no limits fallacy. All these lies and more are why I say what I say.
@Oblivion No one take you seriously here anymore so I'm not sure what more you can contribute.
Why is this clown tagging me?
didnt asked your mom
wtf you know about me? im in this site for more than a year,casuals like you aint worth mentioning compared me,its clear you dont have the 1% of the fictional knowledge i have,dont compare yourself with me.
19 I would've guessed you were in your pre-teens.
Trust me I would never compare myself to you, have too much self respect for that.
How about show some of your fictional knowledge and actually provide an argument rather than just whine about how life is unfair, the Marvel fanbase sucks, and Hulk loses to everyone.
Beyonder claiming hulk's strength is infinite .This scan is used by almost every hulk fan. I think you also might have seen this a couple of times. But I am surprised what hulk fans don't care to show are the previous scans.
Hulk catching beyonder off guard!!! Beyonder undoubtedly would have more speed than flash. He is stronger than living tribunal and if you consider every character base versions, he might be third or fourth most powerful being in marvel. Hulk can react, and will react to flash. He has adaptability, similar to doomsday, even though its shown really rarely because this factor makes him like super op (but its still present).
Maybe superman can do this to hulk. Sorry but he regenrates from that too.
With that being said, the regeneration feat was done by professor hulk, who is generally regarded as one of the weakest versions of hulk.
"The only equation you need. HULK IS HULK!"
Don't make me bring CAS.
>you say superman has defeated world forger
i did because the suns he amped himself was in 6th d (which transcends dc) so that isn't PIS
Lol should i bring CIH.
Also TOAA : gets murdered by a outerversal being,just after he admitted he isn't omniponent.
Nothing says that really,toaa himself admited he was all powerful in verse but now he no longer is in infinity conflict,he was once the toaa you are talking about,but he no longer is (he himself says it) he is retconned by starlin.
>Azatoth or other writer level characters can beat him.
You just said he is the writer,now you say he gets negged by another,looks suspicous
İf only he was one,yes
bruh mxy did better,i mean he needs feats,creating marvel multiverse is his best feat probably,and marvel comology aint worth mentioning compared to DC,WTC,Cthullu mythos,masadaverse cosmologies he isn't even baseline high outer.A lot of people solos his verse.
No im just saying that 4d breaking and cosmic awreness (toaa becoming jack kirby) isnt impressive since weaker charecters did better.
Also the quote was "Hulk is Hulk". CAS is not mainstream Superman,he is controlled by Superman,he was made based on Superman,other versions of him like,quantum superman,milkman man or boomtube amped superman smashes all versions of hulk easily.
See him growing spikes like doomsday, which is reminiscent of the metal armor with spikes he used to wear on his right hand, the creepy nerves in his forehead, which signifies a crown he used to wear in wwh storyline.
Also @Mr_Incognito can you address my point as to why all of Superman's fights don't end like that?
Because he tries to avoid doing something like that if he can. He's about protecting others above everything else and he generally wouldn't do something that violent. However, if a giant green monster is trying to rip him apart, he'd do whatever it takes.
What if the monster trying to rip him apart isn't green? Also, you admit that Superman would only get serious once Hulk is about to kill him, and by then its too late.
No, i didn’t. As soon as he sees how angry and destructive hulk is, he won’t hold back. Hulk is too simplistic. You can’t kill Superman just by punching him hard. His invulnerability prevents that.
Superman usually defeats Doomsday with BFR. That's not really winning.
"You can’t kill Superman just by punching him hard. His invulnerability prevents that". Tell that to Doomsday first time they met.
All it takes is a thunderclap to catch Superman off guard, and once he is stunned grab him and you know how it goes.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Superman would never expect Hulk to thunderclap as he's not accustomed to that move, and would think he is safe at a distance, not knowing that Hulk has ranged attacks (throwing, leaping, thunderclapping, gamma rays when he's really mad, slamming the ground etc).
Superman is susceptible to stunning, especially since his hearing is so strong.
Once he is stunned, Hulk could easily grab him with his surprising speed.
He would repeatedly slam Superman into the ground until he knocks him out or kills him.
He only ripped Doomsday in New 52. There's a separate page for that.
Stop assuming Hulk is slow. This is why I say your biased because I've told you this before but you don't want to accept it.
Also @Mr_Incognito care to respond to my reply?
This is maestro. An evil version of hulk (in the future). He is just hulk with no additional powers unlike immortal hulk who had tons of other powers. He is just evil, thats it and is a lot stronger but has no other additional power. In the ongoing maestro run (hulk will become maestro in the run but till now he is good only), he says he is immortal and machine man says that too. Surprising for those people who think only IH is immortal,isn't it. Plus in hulk;the end storyline hulk was shown as the last living being on earth while everyone else died (another immortality display).
He regenrated from this everyday.
Now people use the term base hulk a lot. Actually hulk can never be at base form. Think about it banner hulks out mostly when he becomes angry. When he would become angry, the reason which made banner angry would make the hulk even more angry(since its easier for hulk to become angry rather than banner becoming angry) and he would surpass his base strength in less than attoseconds or something. Base hulk is a just a theorotical term, but we can never see him. Hulk would always fight above his base strength.
He's beaten Doomsday through BFR. Its not the same thing.
The Silver Surfer has also cross the universe in a few seconds and Hulk's caught him every time.
Bare in mind you've called me, @Dhruv, @Breaker, @Taurus and pretty much anyone who votes Hulk biased so you really don't have a leg to stand on here.
If hard facts are unconvincing to you then your likely biased.
Superman is faster than the surfer. Yes, i put him below in the fast superheroes list, but many of those were interchangeable. His speed feats are more impressive and he scales higher. Surfer has knocked Hulk around quite a bit. I don’t recall seeing Hulk ever beat the surfer.
Yeah, i have, because it’s true. So just because i’ve called other people biased that somehow invalidates my opinion? Wow.
“Hard facts” lmao.
Again your just assuming Hulk won't be able to react in time but his record says otherwise. Hulk's beaten SS during Planet Hulk and SS #125.
Your only calling us biased in retaliation. It just sounds petty.
Feats that debunk your claims, veteran Superman & Hulk writers saying Hulk wins as well as the most knowledgeable person in comics Stan Lee saying Hulk wins. So yeah, hard facts mate.
It isn't in retaliation. I called you biased towards Hulk and marvel before you said that to me, so that is wrong.
You repeatedly have failed to give feats. Writers also say Superman wins. Again, you are using the head of Marvel and the CREATOR of Hulk's opinion as evidence. That would be like me saying that Batman beats Black Panther because Bob Kane said that he does. Stan Lee has also said that Thor is more powerful than the Hulk, and commented Thor would win. Will you accept that, or only things he says that fit your narrative?
The funny thing is you've spent most of your time calling me biased and a liar and saying I don't accept evidence, and very little time actually providing the evidence you want me to see.
I'm pretty sure I called you out on your bias first but excluding me you also called everyone else who's backing the Hulk biased too.
Don't pretend I've never shown scans. What writer with higher authority than Dan Jurgens, Peter David and Stan Lee? Even the more recent writers back Hulk https://www.inverse.com/article/31525-hulk-superman-amadeus-greg-pak-gene-luen-yang-podcast. Whether you see Stan Lee as biased or not, he knows Hulk better than anyone. You cannot deny that and he's said Hulk will not tire and overpower Superman. His opinion whether you like it or not carries weight. Stan Lee actually changed his position on Thor and Hulk so don't bother. Stop being petty. I have no narrative. I like Hulk no more than Superman.
What do you want to know? Unlike you I will actually show proof if asked.
Yeah, but you have to recognize that if you founded a company, you would back your people over a rival. Stan is great, but you can watch panels where he mocks Superman and his outfit and powers. He clearly had his own agenda.
You keep saying petty. I fail to see how any of this is petty. And that is not true. You admitted yourself on this site you prefer Hulk. Why is it so hard for you to admit you have a preference?
Nothing in particular, just give proof when you make factual statements. Oh, lord. Look at my debate vs Spidey or Joe. I give plenty of proof, like 100x the evidence you do.
You don't have to fully accept his outcome but you do have to accept his assessment of Hulk's powers and how he works.
A lot of the words I use to describe you, you just copy and use against me too. Why do you have to assume anyone who votes Hulk is biased? That's so patronising. I changed TO Hulk because of the evidence backing him. I told you, the only Hulk I like more than Superman is Red Hulk and he's an enemy of Banner.
So you can't accuse me of not providing evidence because you didn't ask. I can and have shown it when needed. I could also ask you to look at my previous debates on the evidence I consistently provide. You don't really show any evidence when I ask for it because you still haven't been able to show proof you were able to disprove me in a debate.
You didn't want to acknowledge Hulk's immortal but then said Superman can kill him easy? If Hulk's your favourite why don't you know him that well?
Ok so superman will destroy hulk...is that [email protected] Tyrannus
I didn't say he was gonna fight Bruce banner ,I'm saying Bruce banner could die period?if he dies as a regular human,I don't think he would be able to come back.. depends if we are talking about immortal hulk..even then..I know him well , actually I was convinced that he was unbeatable at one point in my life,then I've read enough comica and read enough debates and read stuff online etc that he is not as strong as you think..like for instance wonder woman could probably take Hulk..don't tell.me she can't..she's fast as hell strong as hell and durable and she has a sword that could cut him into pieces
Hulk fights light speed foes on a daily basis, the greatest example being thor. He has fought sentry and gladiator so his REACTION SPEED is easily more than 100 to 1000 times faster than light.
And hulk can't die. Writers said they thought of immortal hulk because hulk had gone through so many deaths but he would somehow come back, every time. Just to prove hulk is immortal, they wrote immortal hulk (and lol one of the most powerful versions of hulk )
You said you did more reading and research but if that was true how does that convince you he loses to WW when he stomps her? She's loses more badly than Superman. Hulk's stronger, faster and more durable. I don't believe you at all when you say you know Hulk if your saying WW's stronger. Even WW fans know Hulk's stronger.
As for cap tagging hulk, its true but i think comics have been really inconsistent with speed. In my personal opinion , comics negate speed factor during matchups. Suppose there are two popular characters whom everyone wants to see battling, then comics would show them battling, even if one's speed is 1000 times more than other. I have seen thing tag up with silver surfer. Doesnt make any sense, but comics have to show them fighting so they negate speed factor. Thats why they show characters going for the brawl without thinking that one character can easily dodge all the attacks of the other. But if you ask for a logical reasoning i would say hulk's adaptability might come into play. Though a power of hulk which is not discussed very often hulk has adaptability, similar to doomsday and maybe his speed adapts depending on the opponent he is facing.
He's actually really close and as Joe Fixit he was able to actually catch him. @Dhruv shows another example of Hulk reaching him. I've told you before how the speed of thought has been said to be faster than the speed of light.
You haven't been able to prove WW was better at all. @Dhruv resoundingly debunked you and your evidence was just a bunch of anti-feats which can easily be done with WW too. Hulk holds back immensely when he fights lesser beings to avoid killing them. Stop this biased approach.
I asked you to prove WW was faster but again you just claim she is like usual.
And why would you find it unlikely Hulk holds back? You have such a basic understanding of him.
I mean even hulk admits it but some people just don't wanna believe.
WW has fought evenly with professor zoom and blocked god shards at quadrillions of times light speed. She fought evenly with Superman traveling faster than light and keeps up with him often. That is above Hulk in speed. Hulk hasn’t kept pace with anyone as fast as Thawne.
Hulk has kept up with all of Marvel's fastest beings. He was able to knock SS off his board, a being who can traverse the entire universe in a few seconds. Also WW tagging Professor Zoom was PIS. He has the potential to be faster than Barry and has been at times.
SS has been tagged by Spider-man and Thing. Zoom is faster than SS. You don’t get to decide what’s PIS and what isn’t. If WW tagging zoom is PIS, then Hulk tagging surfer is too, since the speed gap is even larger between those two. Hulk isn’t even FTL on foot. WW is much faster than people realize.
Read this very carefully. Hulk's one of the best friends and one of the smartest persons on earth describes how hulk's mind works
Again your using anti-feats for SS and pretending that's the norm. Flashpoint Batman was able to stab Thawne so that makes WW's feat not so impressive now does it. We've already established you don't really know the Hulk and your arguments for WW over Hulk is based on cherry picked feats rather than actual consistency.
@Taurus Your analogy was crap, that was the point I was making.
I've already named several people I've voted for against Hulk. Several. We're not all biased like you.
Really? I don’t recall that. You are biased to the Hulk, just own it. It’s not the worst thing in the world. I’ve voted against the characters you say i’m supposedly biased to many times. Stop acting like your opinion is fact when most people actually disagree with you.
Its because when your disproven you back out instead of admitting you got it wrong.
So listening to the feats, facts, writers and the creator himself saying Hulk wins makes me biased does it? None of that was my opinion. And all I see are several people disagreeing with you and backing me so again you lie.
Well, all of those point to Superman winning, not Hulk. Stan Lee’s opinion is irrelevant since he’s the main marvel guy. That’s an appeal to authority fallacy. Superman has better feats. The only people supporting you are obvious Marvel fans, of which there is an abundance on this site.
Also you're straying into toxic waters.
You don't HAVE to do anything. You are your own man (or I would hope). Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
Of course I am. Idek what you mean by toxic waters, but i’m going to speak my mind regardless of what my detractors think.
Nobody here is your detractor. Opponent at most.
Oh, some are for sure. The main difference is that I actually have the balls to admit i’m wrong and I don’t state my opinions like they’re facts.
The difference if I usually make sure before arguing a point which will turn out to be wrong.
I wasn’t talking about you there. I don’t consider you a detractor.
Oh that's good to hear.
Not the whole site but a lot of people here like @Dhruv, @Taurus, @Breaker and the others all say Hulk wins because we look at the overwhelming evidence that backs Hulk.
You've just made another lie because the facts, feats and major writers didn't say Superman wins, they said Hulk does. You can't dismiss the creator himself because he knows more about Hulk than anyone here combined. And the main reason why I brought him up was because he debunks your false assumptions about him.
You have kind of admitted your biased to DC so maybe that's why you can't bring yourself to vote Hulk. At least we all know he wins though.
All three of them are marvel and hulk fans. Of course they would say Hulk wins. There isn’t much honestly.
Stop calling me a fucking liar. Superman has beaten Hulk before while the reverse has never happened. Superman is above Hulk in literally every category besides strength, which he isn’t far behind in. Most of the internet agrees Superman wins.
I have admitted that I vote for DC more because their characters are generally more powerful. Now, you need to do something similar. You saying you just “follow the facts” and are quite unbiased is laughably, hilariously untrue. Just admit you’re biased to the Hulk and move on.
Most of the internet says Superman wins because they like him better. Just the fact that the ratio of people who voted for Superman and the people debating for him and the people who voted for Hulk and are debating for him don't check out means that there are more senseless people who just vote Superman. Or maybe they're just bots.
Not everyone who votes Hulk are Marvel/Hulk fans. Stop generalising. And for the record, while I do like Hulk, its the Red Hulk who's one of my all time favourites, not green.
You did lie because you claimed they all said Superman wins when the writers and Stan say otherwise.
Superman's never beaten NORMAL Hulk. I've already debunked that several times now. There's a separate page for Professor Hulk.
Most of the internet also says Batman stands a chance against Superman too. What's your point?
Bro, I'm not biased. I actually changed my vote FROM Superman TO Hulk because I listened. Do the same
Writers said Hulk COULD beat Superman, not would. Superman has won twice before. Stan Lee has made fun of Superman more than once.
NO. YOU. DIDN’T. I’m so goddamn tired of people on this site saying the word debunk every time i turn around. Hulk exhausted himself and turned back into Banner, at which point Superman could’ve killed him but chose not to. That is a clear win for Superman.
Yeah, because of kryptonite. That’s not a good comparison.
Yes you are. Just f**king own it. It’s not that bad. No logical person thinks Hulk beats the entire justice league singlehandedly. Well i’m sorry you listened to poor reasoning and unconvincing arguments. Have a higher standard than that. I’m not changing my vote because of faulty reasoning.
Bruce's father killed his wife and tried to kill bruce so many times because he knew he was a monster. Finally banner also acknowledges he really was a monster, not a human.
His subconscious causes him to revert to Hulk no matter what, even after he's already "dead". That's part of his immortality at work.
No the writers said they would see the Hulk prevailing given who he is. Bare in mind they'd written Superman stories too so you can't accuse them of having agendas.
Superman's never beaten BASE Hulk. See you just repeat the same lies over and over. Show me scans of Superman actually beating the normal Hulk. You won't find it. @Taurus already debunked killing Banner. A clear win is when you KO or kill your opponent which Hulk did actually achieve but Superman couldn't.
People vote Batman because he's Batman not krytonite.
Just because your biased doesn't mean everyone else is too. That really doesn't make any sense because I've voted against Hulk before several times.
Your not changing your vote because your biased. Its as simple as that really.
You are biased too, just admit it. You think Hulk beats the entire Justice League.
Its been debunked several times why he can't beat Bruce but you like ignoring facts when you get debunked.
Your arguing something that isn't even here. Stop dodging when cornered.
@Taurus If he was going all out? Yes. I wonder why you asked that, are you trying to imply that Superman only has a chance in the first minute of fighting?
Your just repeating the same debunked things now. He can't kill Banner. I know your biased but your sounding like a parrot now.
@Taurus So you believe that somehow if Superman fights Hulk for more than a minute, he’d lose? Because of Hulk getting angrier or whatever? He could beat Hulk well after a minute has gone by. No, we aren’t in agreement. That is unsubstantiated and a bad line of reasoning.
We don't need biased Superman/DC fans here. Accept the facts, change your vote, stop repeating the same old lies.
You are a biased Hulk fan. You are more biased to the Hulk than I am to Superman. This isn’t in retaliation, this is just the truth. Unlike me, you somehow deluded yourself into thinking you aren’t biased at all. It’s blatantly obvious you are biased, so stop calling me biased when you’re actually worse. You haven’t given sufficient evidence to convince me, and i believe Superman wins, along with the majority of people here. I’m not changing my vote despite your personal attacks, and i’m not a liar, you are.
OMG your actually trolling because I prove your lying almost every comment at this point now. You've lied about Hulk's reaction speed, killing Banner and even when you claimed you disproved me but was never able to show evidence.
Everything your claiming I haven't done, I've done. I repeat it then you just pretend it never happens. At my worst I called you a liar and biased which by that point was deserved because you were practically trolling. You've called me deluded, told me to shut up and even now I won't do the same.
Calling me a biased Hulk fan is just ridiculous at this point as you've only started saying this after I called you out on your own bias against Hulk. You've called the people who've tried explaining Hulk to you biased as well so it just looks like your own pride wont accept your wrong.
So I suppose you think Batman stand a good chance against Superman right? If you disagree then I guess that's because your biased to Superman. This is your own logic being used against you.
If you really think i’m trolling, that’s just sad. I’ve also disproved you about Hulk knocking Superman out, being faster than WW, beating the JLA, and you misrepresenting multiple writer statements. And no, i’ve called you out on being biased to the Hulk before you ever accused me. Even if what you said was actually true, it wouldn’t change the fact that you still are.
Yes, those people have a bias too. @Taurus literally has said his favorite character is Hulk. You have as well. @Dhruv is a supporter too and has Hulk in his pfp. The difference between them and you, however, is that they actually have some modesty and prove their claims. @Dhruv constantly is giving me new information about Hulk i haven’t known, and @Taurus even personally apologized once for coming on too strong. They have their favorites, but they admit it and wear it on their sleeve. You on the other hand have somehow convinced yourself that despite voting Hulk on battles where he clearly loses, you aren’t biased or impartial at all. And whenever i start to point out a flaw or a feat, you just go straight for the throat and call me a biased liar.
No, I don’t think Batman stands even a fraction of a chance against Superman is he was being serious. That doesn’t prove i’m biased. One is a mere human while the other is pretty much a god.
@Taurus and me, all have voted against hulk on several occasions. That doesn't make us bias. If we would have voted hulk on almost every battle where he loses clearly, only then we would have been classified as being biased. And my favourite is not hulk, its captain america. With regard to my pfp, that can't even say anything about my favourite character. My pfp also has thor, but you didn't say I am biased to thor. Honestly, i wanted a pfp of superman and hulk being friends, but it was impossible to find, almost every fanart presented both of them fighting, but when I searched for hulk and thor, I found that image pretty easily. But this just doesn't prove we are biased, since we have voted against hulk on several occasions and realise he can't win any battle and has limits.
You've had no good counter to any of the Hulk arguments and your only responses have been false misconceptions about Hulk or "we're biased". Irony is this all makes you sound so biased because I don't understand why you won't accept Hulk>Superman.
You've literally disproven none of that, you blanked most of it actually.
I've voted against Hulk too many times and made too many arguments against him for your "biased" thing to work. Stop resorting to that cheap response.
Show me my exact quote where I said Hulk is my favourite character? Don't avoid this question.
We know you lie when it comes to me apparently not showing evidence. I even asked you what you wanted me to prove and you didn't have anything. A lot of the times @Dhruv, @Taurus or whoever shows that scans first. That shouldn't be a problem. For some reason you use that as an excuse to ignore the evidence. I don't know why you've been trying to draw a wedge between @Dhruv, @Taurus and I. Your other comments about upvoting and others have been aimed indirectly at us.
The rest of the internet thinks Batman has a good chance. Is the internet wrong? If so then that negates your point with Hulk vs Superman too.
I don’t remember where you said it, but you have. Also, it’s blatantly obvious he’s your favorite character considering how much time you spend defending him.
I’m not drawing a wedge, that’s ridiculous. You are all fans of the Hulk. You act like me pointing this out is accusing you of murder. It’s not that big of a deal. And yes, I find it pretty funny that any time you respond to me you get boosted with 3+ likes every time. The only time I get likes is when I’m backing Hulk. That shows me that it’s most likely you guys doing the upvoting. Maybe i’m wrong, maybe it isn’t. It just seems that way. And if it isn’t you all, whoever is doing it, if the only reason you upvote someone is because they pick the same character as you, that isn’t what it should be used for.
Yes, and I recognize that. I do think that most likely, he would. Batman plays dirty and uses Superman’s nature of being kind against him. That’s how he wins. He knows Clark won’t immediately try to take him out, and then he’d whip out kryptonite. So yeah, he has a good chance is he plays his cards right. Bloodlusted Superman is a different story.
My favorite character is Hulk partially because he beats out nearly every physical character, not the other way around (Hulk beats everyone due to him being my favorite character). And also I remember @Tyrannus saying that he liked Red Hulk (and others) better.
I have never said Hulk is my all time favourite. I like him but I like other heroes more. As @Taurus said you may have mixed what I said about Red Hulk. And as I've said most of my Hulk related talks are with you. Hulk is just a popular topic here anyway.
Don't go to extremes, no ones accused you of murder. I'm starting to see how you decide how to vote now. You just vote for whoever you like more. You really should vote for who actually wins, put bias aside. Perhaps that's why we're getting more upvotes and your not. And for the record I've been upvoting you whenever you ask people to stop abusing the downvoting system and the like.
Batman only wins through prep or cheats. In a fair fight he loses like Superman will to Hulk.
Here hulk fights gladiator (marvel's superman). He also tries to take hulk into space. The result you can see.
In the end this happens
Superman can be seen clearly struggling here while hulk is fine.
And also a localized gravity field that stimulated the pull of a black hole.
No problem for the man of steel.
Second scan isn't a reliable feat. It took him down and then he got attacked so its difficult to understand how effective it really was in the end.
That’s BS. He survived in it and it was stated to stimulate the pull of a black hole.
As you might know, beyonder is second or third most powerful being in marvel. So he definitely knows what he is saying and you can't say he is wrong.
I don't lie but you were. Clearly this was not base Superman.
And it does matter because that's like be giving you a feat by WBH or SPH and claiming it was from base Hulk.
Base Superman isn't sundipped the same way base Hulk isn't World Breaker. I always use savage Hulk unless I specify otherwise.
Ok, you're really starting to piss me off. Just because I don't respond to you doesn't mean i've accepted your point or have admitted i'm wrong. Unlike other people, I don't have all day to go back and forth. Often times, I just forget that I was even having an argument. Why do you care so much? If you want to keep it going, reach out to me.
It comes across that way if you repeat the same lies as before and when I tell you I've already debunked them you just claim I never have. And unfortunately if I don't remember every single debate we've had then you call me a liar.
I don't want to keep this going but I do want you to just accept the truth man. I really wish you'd joined same time or before I joined this site. You would have seen I was quite sceptical of Hulk back then until people like @Breaker and the others would make good points which I couldn't refute.
Superman could win if he went all in straight away but he won't because that's not who Superman is. By the time he realises what it takes to win it's too late.
They both fought magical beings and Hulk did way better
Shazam has the power of 6 and yet he's still only comparable to Superman.
A Superman who stopped holding back got laughed at by Zeus.
Meanwhile in Marvel, Odin never gets beaten by those beneath him.
Injustice Superman is stronger. He doesn't hold back.
Jane Foster was a joke. Are you really using her?
It still means that gods in DC are beaten pretty regularly while Marvel's gods have respect.
"potion". Shazam has never been said to only have a fraction of Mercury's speed or a third of Hercules's strength they just say he has the same.
Odin getting beaten is almost unheard off. Same with Zeus.
And yet the New gods can be taken down by simple beings all the time.
Shazam's lack of power shows how much weaker they really are.
Injustice Superman was holding back against WW. Even with 1 arm he was able to regain the upper hand.
Ch'p didn't beat him he just blocked his synapses. Your exaggerating so much. The only person able to slap him was Black Adam.
Main point being Hulk can take down gods when he needs to and Superman is not a god
Ok so getting back into the Hulk vs Superman debate, Superman in his fights has destroyed timelines and nearly destroyed the universe once before, he also fought Mordru, and at the end of post crisis Superman was confirmed to be more powerful than Kingdom come Superman. Superman also consistently scales above Doomsday, and he's oneshotted Despero a being who can take on the entire league, he's stomped Mongul, and he's fought Nebula man who is a living universe.
I did read the comic and he didn't get slapped. Your exaggerating.
What I said is relevant because it shows how superior the gods are in Marvel. In DC being a gods doesn't mean much.
Hulk's punched through time barriers like it was nothing. Hulk also destroyed the dark dimension by himself. Hulk's always shown he's the strongest one there is and constantly solos the Avengers.
Superman has never scaled above Doomsday apart from New 52 which was PIS.
Ok Hulk destroying the dark dimension ehh Idk if that is consistent for Hulk, and yes Superman does scale above Doomsday lol, he literally beats the sh!t outta him almost every single time, he even once stomped the crap out of Doomsday and this Doomsday before literally stomped Martian Manhunter. Plus soloing the avengers is ehh, I don't think Hulk could even take Thor lol. Despero would stomp the Hulk and Superman has literally oneshotted him before lol.
Hulk's broken the time barrier a few times before. He's shown time and time again he can when he needs to. Doomsday scales above Superman. He kills him in their first fight by beating him to death. In their second fight he countered everything Superman had despite Kal having a prep advantage. He only ever removes him because he can't lose.
Hulk has beaten Thor a few times. He recently just one-shotted him. And Thor by himself is more than a match for Superman. Hulk>Thor>Superman
No Superman literally smacks the crap out of Doomsday literally every other time, I can literally name 5 times when Superman stomped the hell out of Doomsday during post-crisis and other times you are bringing up are from an early Superman, I can't believe you are this clueless on Superman lol, and after the dominus event Superman grew in power significantly to the point where he's surpass Kingdom Come Superman, and Hulk doesn't beat Kingdom Come Superman lol.
ok Thor doesn't beat Superman at all lol we can easily debate that too, and those feats you are bringing up for Hulk aren't even impressive for the Hulk anyway, and Hulk doesn't beat Thor either, Thor once defeated a being called Glory who contained the power of entire pantheons, and was stated to have the power that rivals Odin, Thor has also hurt the Phoenix Force, and Thor has beaten Silver Surfer before and this same SS was stated to have destroyed galaxies if his power is misused, and SS scales WAY above Hulk.
I can bring up multiple instances in post crisis where Superman stomps Doomsday (read Superman 1987 issue 175) and that's only 1 time I can bring up 3 more times after that if you want. I haven't even got into Superman's really good feats, nothing you've brought up comes close to oneshotting Despero (and you gotta be really ignorant if you think Hulk beats Despero), I can bring up the times Superman fought Time Trapper and who is just a stronger version of Superboy Prime, he defeated Brainiac 13 who can create universes and ravage timelines and Superman has fought Mordru who would literally oneshot Hulk and the entire Avengers, and Superman fought on par with Mordru.
Check their fights again. Doomsday beats Superman to death first time and second time he counters everything Superman had planned for. He can never beat him. You do know Doomsday gets stronger the more fights he gets in right. I'm doing you a favour by only referring to the earlier versions mate. In #175 Doomsday was weakened by having a mind that made him feel pain and suffering like he wouldn't usually. Even then he was still able to knock him out clean. That's 3 people you need to learn more on because Hulk would beat Superman down like he's nothing.
Do you know who the god of thunder is? He ain't no common tough guy. And yes Hulk does beat Thor, several times in fact. I can give you examples and scans if you want. Hulk's also beaten SS so again wrong. SS's only hope has ever been his abilty to convert him back to Banner.
Never seen Superman take out the Greek gods one by one like they were nothing, shatter the dark dimension or have Thanos fear him. Hulk has always shown he's strong enough when the situation arises. No one is stronger than the strongest one there is.
Yes I did check all their fights, and Superman tends to body him, this fight during the hunter prey arc your referring to superman didn't have prep, he just has tech, but he ended up just taking him to the end of Time lol, Superman literally bodied Doomsday 6 times during post crisis lol, and that Doomsday Rex wasn't weakened if anything he was more powerful cos of adaption, that pain stuff is misinterpreted, Superman was refering to his fear of death more so than direct pain it didn't change his power lol nice try tho.
Time to address this massive misconception
THANOS is NOT afraid of the Hulk this is Straight up wrong, firstly Thanos tends to oneshot Hulk all the time, so he has no reason so be afraid of the Hulk, Thanos finds the Hulk annoying if anything, due to his anger empowerment hax, Thanos is definitely not afraid of the Hulk tho lol.
Ok destroying the dark dimension is inconsistent, it doesn't matter anyway since Superman was stated to be able to destroy the phantom zone which is a dimensionless realm and idk where you got this "Never seen Superman take out the Greek gods one by one like they were nothing" I already said Superman has fought Mordru who casually scales above all Greek gods in Marvel anyway, Hulk got stomped by Zeus as well lol while Mordru has casually bullied Nabu do I need to explain why Nabu would stomp the literal crap any Greek God in Marvel? And Superman was superior to the same Mordru? Are you gonna tell me Hulk>Superman>>>Mordru>>>Nabu now?
Superman hasn't been able to body Doomsday ever. It's not misinterpreted, Doomsday's so good because he can't be reasoned with or fell pain. That version was weakened with his mind. Nice try though.
The tech he brought was because of prep. After Doomsday was mopping the floor with him Superman realised he can't be beat so used BFR.
I know of 6 times Superman's ever fought Doomsday but not all are canon and none show Superman winning without BFR except #175 which was weakened.
Name these multiple Thor wins over Hulk. Like Doomsday's apparent losses, they don't exist. SS's only been able to win when he can steal the gamma radiation, otherwise he's lost.
It's not a misconception. He always keeps as far away as possible from the Hulk. Again name times he's one shotted Hulk.
It's proof Hulk is strong enough when he needs to be. Just because he doesn't go looking for danger doesn't mean he can't match Superman and inevitably surpass him. Hulk wasn't trying to win against Zeus but nice try.
You clearly are not aware lmao as Superman beat him 6 times, I'm not gonna waste my time with such ignorance though maybe just read the comics, and he just had some tech given to him as well not prep for say.
Again your misinterpreting it and making up but I'm not gonna repeat myself though, nothing suggests Doomsday was weakened as Doomsday becomes more powerful over time lmao but you pretty much ignore everything I say anyway and making it excuses.
Silver surfer is more powerful than Hulk and so is Thor I just gave a few Thor feats that absolutely roflstomps Hulks, why are you trying to argue this LMFAO.
And idk wtf this excuse is Hulk wasn't trying to win against Zeus so what are you implying Hulk would beat Zeus now? I mean Mordru would stomp the crap out of Zeus and Odin at the same time and Superman was casually fighting on par with him AND a holding back Superman was stomping the crap out of Time Trapper who is just an older and stronger superboy prime AND this same Mordru was beating up Rond Vidar who can create constructs that can hold off Superboy Prime so I've legit gave u 2 pieces of evidence that suggest Superman>Superboy Prime and you've just wanked all your hulk **** even ignoring that fact that Superman>>Doomsday anyway,
Superman>>>Mordru>>Time Trapper>>Rond Vidar~Superboy Prime
Dude stop being ignorant I don't feel like repeating myself and it still seems you can't even comprehend what a Boomtube amp is, and why it isn't a PIS for Batman (excluding that fact that Batman literally used Darkseids weakness as well LMFAO). Go read comics I ain't wasting my time with u.
Superman is not on Thanos's level don't even go there mate.
Lol so you were unable to contest it. Superman's never beaten Doomsday without BFR or being defeated himself. Some of which aren't even canon. If you read the comic you'd see Doomsday weakened.
You literally gave no examples of Thor or Silver Surfer.
ll you've done is ignore the evidence so don't pretend. If Superman gets boom tube amped so does Hulk boss. It's by reading the comics that I've been able to debunk everything you said.
How can you say that Superman doesn't come close to Thanos when he has equally matched Darkseid, who in his base form is superior to Thanos?
I say that because Thanos is stronger than Darkseid
Thanos isn't stronger than Darkseid, he is comparable to Darkseid if they are the same size, Batman did beat Darkseid yes, but he beat a heavily weakened on the verge of dying Darkseid, and he used Darkseids weakness against him, if a regular darkseid fought hulk and Hulk was boomtube amped so they are the same size, Darkseid would legit oneshot Hulk, just like Thanos does.
Doomsday wasn't weakened, it was referring the Doomsday's fear of pain, SUPERMAN HIMSELF LITERALLY TELLS US THIS, your just bringing feats from an early and weaker post crisis Superman, I already explained that Superman grew over time lmao, and u still yet to ignore it, your constantly just referring to the Hunter Prey comic, at this point its Ad Nauseam.
Also how is Hulk gonna deal with Superman's haxes? Supes could just use Theta State to stomp Hulk, just like he did with Dominus.
I already brought up several feats that suggest Thor>>>>Hulk, and Silver Surfer>>Hulk but keep ignoring them buddy.
Also Superman would smack Thanos, did u just completely ignore the scaling I brought up for Superman, give me a single Thanos feat that suggest he is even close to Mordru or Superboy Prime, both of which were stomped by a holding back Superman. Mordru himself has smacked Nabu everytime casually.
Thanos >>> Hulk, his statement of avoiding the hulk was because he found hulk annoying and he's got no reason to fight him, he never said on panel "oh because I'll lose" stop using that argument, and hulk was weakened BY THANOS and Thanos won the fight, hulk really didn't pull up that good a fight
Wrong again. One of the things that makes Doomsday so tough is that he is basically mindless. Giving him a conscious like he was before weakened him. Despite that he was still able to knock Superman out. Funny how you ignore that though. Do you know who else gets stronger over time, Doomsday. The older Doomsday is weaker. Haven't actually referred to Hunter Prey.
Superman so rarely uses Theta state and Hulk would probably resist it anyway.
You just made an empty claim that Thor was better and left it at that. No proof so your still wrong.
Superman wasn't holding back when he beat either. Thanos has taken out the Avengers consistently including Thor and Hulk who both stomp Superman. Hulk>Thor>=Superman.
Until you actually come up with some facts from the comics don't bother. Or even better change your vote to improve your flawed life instead of whining all the time.
@Empty I already know. I didn't say Hulk stomps Thanos. Stop assuming the wrong thing again. Hulk kept getting back up despite being weakened so he was doing ok.
Superman is way over hyped by fans. Even he knows what he's made of, with no plot devices helping him.
The Hulk would always lose, not because he's much more physically inferior to Superman, but because he's mostly raw. Raw power and no real deliberation on his actions. While Superman can create strategies, he can use his speed, strength and even his other abilities in ways the Hulk simply can't use his own power.
Here's a easy way to make the Hulk strength totally useless. Superman comes at the Hulk at supersonic speed, and punches him into outerspace. In outerspace the Hulk strength would be useless because he can't fly. Superman however can.
And if Superman wanted to kill the Hulk, all he would need to do, would be to fly himself and the Hulk into the Sun. While even Rebirth Superman would most likely survive a Sun dip, the Hulk would definitely not survive.
Superman doesn't even need to do that. A full power blast of his heat vision, focused on the Hulk would be enough to cut him half, cut off his head or simply reduce the Hulk to ashes. Superman is basically invulnerable to all natural forces, while the Hulk is not. The Hulk is quite vulnerable.
While Hulk isn't sun proof, to call him vulnerable is quite the exaggeration
Bt now i think hull has very good chance
Superman will tire much faster here as Hulk gets stronger.
The Beyonder's more credible than you are. That's why Hulk never ran out
Second fight, Superman made hulk bleed from the mouth before knocking him out.
Third fight, Superman realized that he and Hulk were being set up, and explains to hulk. Hulk agrees and they stop fighting.
Second fight was Professor Hulk as I've said who is far weaker.
Third was inconclusive. You claimed he won them all which is clearly wrong
2. Still counts as a win.
3. Superman was knocking Hulk around for most of that fight. I count that as a win.
2. This battle is on normal Hulk not professor Hulk.
3. It's actually Hulk who was knocking Superman around. Even when Superman tries to grab him from behind Hulk breaking free sends Superman into space. That's more so a Hulk win.
2. Ok, but i'm still counting it as a win. Just like how you say that regular Hulk beat Sentry when it was Wbh.
3. Superman was knocking Hulk around more in that fight.
2. It's not a Hulk loss though. Using it as evidence here doesn't count. WWH beat Sentry not WBH.
3. Hulk send him flying just by flexing. Hulk can get hit all he wants it just makes him stronger.
Hulk's actually fought Sentry before as savage Hulk and still had an edge. The point is Hulk can react to Superman.
Hulk has never been speedblitz. He always sees it coming.
@EmptyHand I was referring to this https://i.ibb.co/jfxd2yd/132.png
speak about ur self u peace of shi-t
scarlet witch LF CAN BEAT THE BEYONDER
didn't hulk beat Armageddon who was able to beat silver surfer?
didn't beyonder says by him self that the hulk have infinity power?
didn't hulk Raced with thor hammer ?
and healing factor ?
@dark_wing there is proof that hulk have infinity power
1- when the beyonder says hulk power is infinity that by him self and he was shocked
2- (Incredible Hulk 2011 632) that enough proof .he got angry and hulk power was able to destroyer a las vegas by one step and make earthquake in all earth
3-incredible hulk 634 when dr.strange fail to stop hulk power up
darkseid doomsday superman new 52 ?
ur idiot right?
Hunter/Prey was released in 1994 LONG before the New 52 was launched: I don't know why you'd think it was part of the New 52.
And I find it noteworthy that it says "Hulk COULD beat Superman" they don't say Hulk would beat Superman.
(marvel.dc writers) god damn it ...(either Bruce or Amadeus — would more likely get the upper hand on the Man of Steel. But Superman isn't just a fighter, which makes all the difference.)
please stop ur words can't even help
"You can see @DarkWing"
Or maybe at that point I just didn't have the energy or patience to deal with your crap.
@Breaker how do I know that pic you're showing wasn't just made by some random person? How do I know it's real? Regardless weather it's real or not the feats say otherwise. It doesn't matter what two writers think because these characters have evolved for 80 years and over those 80 years Superman's shown a lot more impressive stuff. I'll gladly debate either of you as long as you two use feats and not no limits fallacies.
@Tyrannus yes he did. Just google "Kevin Feige lies"
-Superman can fly at supersonic speeds (more than 2000 miles per second). When in space, it is capable of moving at super luminal speeds (faster than light).
- Immune (Superman's body is immune to various attacks / He has been shown to be able to withstand nuclear missile attacks, approaching the Earth's Sun without getting hurt, withstanding the effects of star explosions and exploding 50 supernovas even after the previous Red Sun has weakened)
-Superman is able to produce heat rays from his eyes. This can make the light invisible and reduce the scale to microscopic. The hot vision is able to burn and melt whatever it wants.
- Superman's body is able to absorb energy from sunlight. His body is constantly absorbing and storing which gives him various super powers, such as extraordinary physical strength, super five senses, and the ability to ward off gravity.
- Extraordinary Physical Strength
Superman is able to lift the heaviest burden that humans cannot imagine. The maximum load that can be lifted is unknown until now, which indicates that aliens from Krypton can almost lift objects of any weight (even known to be able to lift loads weighing 1 billion tons).
-Combination (strength, speed, endurance that won't run out, as long as there is still sun), he will definitely win the fight against HULK !! with not too much effort
Some angry green dude.
A troubled scientiest who transform into a rampaging behemoth of adrenalin and raw physical strength !
Superman is the godlike superhero defining what a superhero realy is.
He is the Alien raised by humans to become more human than most humans are.
The Kryptonian got more advantages in this battle than the Human Mutate.
Superman may fly and is fast as light, Hulk is grounded and fast as the sound.
Superman got a genieus intellect, the Hulk got below normal in intelligence.
The Kryptonian got a superior Versatility may fly, blast heat etc
Superman also got the better combat skills in this battle.
Comparing strength and durability they are very even.
The Hulk got a superior healing factor and perhaps also got the ability to become the slightly stronger but that would take a very long time !
Superman got the more advantages and the edge, Superman winns !
hulk can adapt In any situation
and hulk is immortal
he have infinite power
fastet healing factor in marvel !
the beyonder was surprised by the hulk power
cuz i already have the photo proof lol
Since when was base Hulk immortal?
He dose not have infinite power mearly infinite potential for power, don't worry people mix that up a lot.
When was Beyonder surprised by Hulk?
u don't know anything about hulk
i give u the photo proof
dark wing he don't know anything about hulk
The Hulk in this battle is Savage Hulk and Savage Hulk only.
in icredible hulk (2005) vol 2 number 77
hulk was attacked by a gaint squid
but hulk eaisly beat him
after he be in underwater so long
he had developed the ability to breath underwater
in the incredible hulk vol 2 number 90 (2006)
hulk fights the robot called gods eye on the moon
the robot which was designed by shield was able to convert solar energy to atomic enegry
hulk was able to hold his breath for long until the robot was destroyed
Nick Fury States that the hulk mutation can alter his body to adapt to zero atmosphere environment
i give who say that
in comics secret wars
Beyonder By Him Self *By Him Self*
says that the hulk have infinite power and he was shocked from hulk power
i think u tell me before that a scan
so if that scan
who was scanning?! mmm ? let me guess everyone guess ?
mmm (Beyonder) :)