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Not to mention Tony had Extremis during Civil War which enhanced his brain functions.
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Tony simple outclass by far Steve in every area expect for combat experience.
Tony strength and destructive power is far beyond multimountain level and nuke level consistently and his durability is way beyond that, he also tanked some earth surface busting attack in his armour, something that would let on earth a crater the size of the west coast.
Certainly not even close to the best I can show. And a statement from one of the most trusted characters in one of Marvel's biggest events? I would take that. Is comparing Cap to Iron Man really even PIS? Those years of feats count for Cap as well.
"Lel by PIS statements Sentry could wreck Galactus, and Spider-Man could take on the Hulk, like seriously pal, statements aren't something that should be taken as something legit,"
Sentry was stated to be omnipotent in his early days, and he had the X-Man's help and still could only stalemate Galactus, and we don't know if he was starving or well fed.
Even if I consider Peter saying he could kill Hulk to be right, Hulk is immortal, and yes he could beat Hulk in certain cases because even street tiers have done it sometimes, but that doesn't ignore all of their previous fights where Spidey loses almost every time.
"Tony simple outclass by far Steve in every area expect for combat experience."
And tactics and durability (considering shield for Captain America in durability). And Cap is used to take down more powerful foes than him every time.
"Tony strength and destructive power is far beyond multimountain level and nuke level consistently and his durability is way beyond that, he also tanked some earth surface busting attack in his armour, something that would let on earth a crater the size of the west coast."
Sadly Cap has also been told to be atleast mountain level by Spider-Man, and survived an attack with the force of a "runaway moon" in an injured state with his shield which he himself said was in a "joke" state at that point. Cap fared the best against IH while Tony in a Hulkbuster got almost OHKO'ed by IH. Cap slices Tony's head off if he wants to since his shield can cut through adamantium.
So, not even close what you can show? lmao, ok bud. care to provide some evidence and actual feats instead of bragging about? "some statement of the most trusted characters" that's it? that's nothing but the mere line of the one who wrote that comic. if UATU who is nigh omniscient says on panel that Captain America can stomp Beyonder would you believe it, because he is "nigh omniscient"?
"Those years of feats counts for cap as well"
so cap through the years and consistently have busted Mountain ranges, Survive Nukes whit literally no harm in him? so cap through the years have lifted ships, skyscrapers and many other stuff around 100,000 tons? and that's just something Iron Man have shown and can do, even those feats are from his classic days.
"Sentry was stated to be OMNIPOTENT in his first days, and he could only stalemate Galactus"
WHAT!!? so don't you thing this is a big contradiction? being "Omnipotent" and just stalemate or beat Galactus? also lol at Sentry being Omnipotent in his early apparences, and are you actually agreeing that Sentry beats Galactus, ignoring once again the gap and difference of power, and considered as legit some Spider-Man statement? but anyways i don't know why you brought that topic to here, is because im responding to other guy in one of your comments about that Galactus/Sentry stuff?
"Even if I consider Peter saying he could kill Hulk to be right, Hulk is immortal, and yes he could beat Hulk in certain cases because even street tiers have done it sometimes, but that doesn't ignore all of their previous fights where Spidey loses almost every time."
No, he can't, he never proved or showed feats to anything on that level, in prep too, assuming he could because he stated that, won' make a difference, and is not an argument but a mere assumption, like al the statements out there. literally all your arguments are based on statements and no feats. and when did the street levelers defeat the Hulk whitout PIS involved?
"And tactics and DURABILITY (considering shield for Captain America in durability)"
Lmao, bud we are talking about the MAN not the shield, and you're wrong again, Iron Man has showed a lot more impressive tactics that cap, he is a multitasked guy too.
"Sadly Cap has also been told to be atleast mountain level by Spider-Man"
LMFAO, once again some baseless and PIS statement, told by Spider-Man? you are not get tired whit this, do you? you are trolling or you don't know how to debate, honestly. ontop, Cap NEVER showed to have a Mountain level strenght or durabililty, his durability is below Spider-Man and can be killed almost as easily as you and me, the guy is not bulletproof.
"and survived an attack with the force of a "runaway moon" in an injured state with his shield which he himself said was in a "joke" state at that point. Cap fared the best against IH while Tony in a Hulkbuster got almost OHKO'ed by IH"
It was his shield who tanked the hit, not him, plus he was already KO by far less destructive attacks whit shield.
"Cap slices Tony's head off if he wants to since his shield can cut through adamantium." No, he can't. his shield may have the capacity of doing something like that, but not Steve, show me when he cut through adamantium whit his own force on the shield. Plus already someguy who stomped Steve and is stronger, tried to cut and broke tony suit whit Cap shield, and he don't even scratched the paint of his armour, lmao he didn't even move Tony suit.
if you are going to debate using some baseless and ridiculous statements, then im done in here, pal. and remember this if you want to debate whit anything; feats >>> statements
Glad someone finally figured out I was trolling. As a Cap fan, I agree Tony would win here, though my motive for the original comment was just for the people who were like "Tony stomps every time in every category anytime." But I will have to say you haven't seen the world if you think I am the only one you have seen arguing for Cap.
"So, not even close what you can show? lmao, ok bud. care to provide some evidence and actual feats instead of bragging about? "some statement of the most trusted characters" that's it? that's nothing but the mere line of the one who wrote that comic. if UATU who is nigh omniscient says on panel that Captain America can stomp Beyonder would you believe it, because he is "nigh omniscient"?"
Since I was kind of trolling for the first time on this site, I would not prove since it's just a waste of time. But I will show the things you have asked for. And keep this in mind- you can't argue Cap defeating Iron Man without using outliers, so some of the feats here might be outliers. Every line can be seen as the line of the writer who will just write who he think wins. So if Cap says Tony is better than him in every way and can destroy him in a second, then someone can say the same that this is just the line of the guy who wrote the comic. Actually, surprisingly, Dr Doom with Beyonder's powers still feared Captain America might beat him, not power wise but because he thought such people always find a way to win (obviously an outlier but as I said you can't argue Cap winning unless you use outliers, and even with outliers Cap would lose but the thing is as many people believe, he wouldn't lose every time.)
"so cap through the years and consistently have busted Mountain ranges, Survive Nukes whit literally no harm in him? so cap through the years have lifted ships, skyscrapers and many other stuff around 100,000 tons? and that's just something Iron Man have shown and can do, even those feats are from his classic days."
Yes Cap has lifted ships and skyscrapers (with the help of his shield).
"WHAT!!? so don't you... that Galactus/Sentry stuff?"
I am saying he had a lot of PIS feats. Sentry doesn't come close to defeating Galactus, him stalemating with Galactus even with help was PIS, but my point is he had many PIS feats like him being a god even though he only took an amped up version of Super Soldier serum. And when he stalemated Galactus, that was the time when his hype was somewhat less otherwise in his early days, he might have even beaten Galactus with PIS due to his OmNiPoTeNcE.
"No, he can't, ... Hulk whitout PIS involved?"
Less stronger street tiers have beaten Hulk, obviously with PIS. Since I was trolling and I am assuming you haven't seen me debate here since you are kinda new here, just to tell my arguments are not based on statements. Though statements imo are okay to use though if a character has consistent feats to prove it (which Cap doesn't have and I agree). And I agree that Spidey saying he could kill Hulk is one of the biggest PIS in comics.
"Lmao, bud we are talking about the MAN not the shield, and you're wrong again, Iron Man has showed a lot more impressive tactics that cap, he is a multitasked guy too."
Now this is the only area I can comfortably argue here. Cap is stated to be the greatest tactician of both the Avengers and on Earth many times. And why not include shield in durability, that's like saying take Tony without suit for durability.
"LMFAO, once again some ... the guy is not bulletproof."
Well yeah he was told mountain level by Spider-Man (which might be PIS) in the same comic book in which he took down the Hulk (which is obviously PIS). Again you have never seen me debate but I don't blame you. Though Cap has had the upper hand over Spidey in both of their fights, but that is an argument for another time. And Cap has sometimes bulletproof suit and sometimes is portrayed to not suffer a scratch from bullets, though he he himself has accepted he is not bulletproof.
"It was his shield who tanked the hit, not him, plus he was already KO by far less destructive attacks whit shield."
Cap has consistently blocked hits from Hulk and Thor, even Iron Man. He survived Zeus' lightning with his shield and casually blocked hits from even Old King Thor and Immortal Hulk. I can argue Cap getting knocked out by lesser attacks is PIS instead, unless someone attacks him instead of his shield, he can easily block universal+ attacks.
"No, he can't...Tony suit."
Name that "someguy".
"if you are going to debate using some baseless and ridiculous statements, then im done in here, pal. and remember this if you want to debate whit anything; feats >>> statements"
Since you have known I was trolling, I don't think you should continue. This was not a total troll as those who play with outliers can argue with this, but it was just to tell people that Cap can win in atleast some cases. Though I will leave it to you. I can debate but then I would have to use outliers and you will just say PIS feats and statements. Feats >>> statements, yes is a general belief and a fact.
"Yes Cap has lifted ships and skyscrapers (with the help of his shield)."
The first scan is not remotely close to the size of a ship, it looks like some stuff falling of the roof of the ship, and if is not, full context would be appreciated. And the second scan should be considered as PIS since the cap never showed consistently that kind of strength and struggles whit far less weight than that.
The shield indeed have that kind of resistance, but not the Captain. And if he tanks hits from far stronger characters like Thor or Iron Man whitout the shield, they are massively holding back, same happens whit another street tiers like Daredevil or Spider-Man when they "tank" a hit from a high tier is because they are holding back or is just some bad writing just like when Spider-Man beats Firelord.
Was that Ultron? Was that a Adamantium suit? Is there any context like some malfunction? That would be appreciated once again.
I don't remember the name of the guy who beated Captain America or the comic, but indeed he takes his Shield to try to break and cut Tony armour while he was paralyzed, he never managed to do nothing not even scratch the paint of the armor, he even said "what is this armour made of" while furiously hits Iron Man consecutively. If i see the scan i will send it, but for now i haven't find anything.
Yes I was sounding serious because I thought that would be a good troll (I think now that I am a really bad troll) and that is why I also voted Cap otherwise people would have been like "Oh you voted Iron Man so why make an argument for Cap."
And I know trolling has no purpose, and I said earlier this wasn't a complete troll either, just a statement for people who are like "Tony stomps every time." I replied because I wanted you to know I was not trolling or saying false things atleast on those statements and feats. I also wanted you to not think I am a legit troller like others who don't provide proofs and just say false things, my main comment still had a point.
"The first scan is not remotely close to the size of a ship, it looks like some stuff falling of the roof of the ship, and if is not, full context would be appreciated. And the second scan should be considered as PIS since the cap never showed consistently that kind of strength and struggles whit far less weight than that."
He hasn't lifted a ship in comics afaik, but that is the closest that I know he has come to lifting it. It might be difficult to see what he is lifting if you haven't read the comic, but he is lifting a large portion of wreckage of Galactus' ship here (don't know the weight but Galactus' ship should be insanely heavy compared to regular ones). The skyscraper one tbh might not be PIS since its stated in there that he was using a new shield then which was absorbing the impact and momentum (so he had to himself lift a lesser weight) which makes sense. Usually, Cap though has shown to lift cars easily (even a school bus with children in it). I hope though you are not in the category of people who think Cap can lift 800 lbs max due to handbook info.
"The shield indeed have that kind ... Spider-Man beats Firelord."
Actually Cap has endured blasts from Dynamo's armor which was functioning at 90% power without using the shield and did not suffer a scratch from it. (Might be an outlier but I still posted it just because I found it closest to when you said Cap can't survive Iron man's blasts without the shield).
And Cap also survived Mjolnir THROWN at him (not exactly because it was thrown at Kamala but she dodged it). We don't know if Cap suffered any injuries though because in the very next panel, the comic just showed them at a press conference (which was scheduled just a little bit later when Cap got hit by Mjolnir so that means he definitely didn't have any serious injuries and maybe not even minor injuries because he was completely fine at the conference). Yes, Thor would have been holding back but only that much like he does every time. Thor wouldn't MASSIVELY hold back, he would just hold back that much like he usually does.
"Was that Ultron? Was that a Adamantium suit? Is there any context like some malfunction? That would be appreciated once again."
Well those were "Ultrons" which were clones of Ultron created by him. It is supposed to be adamantium. And there was no malfunction. This actually makes sense considering Cap's shield is stronger than adamantium, so if someone has enough strength, he can potentially cut through it. Also Cap is known for holding back immensely like Hulk and Thor but against robots he doesn't have to hold back so there's that. Once, he was holding back against Nuke when he stopped holding back, he bodied Nuke and makes him bleed. Nuke is constantly shown to be durable enough to survive bullets and explosions without any injury. (Proof that Cap's punches deal more damage than explosions).
"I don't remember the name of the guy who beated Captain America or the comic, but indeed he takes his Shield to try to break and cut Tony armour while he was paralyzed, he never managed to do nothing not even scratch the paint of the armor, he even said "what is this armour made of" while furiously hits Iron Man consecutively. If i see the scan i will send it, but for now i haven't find anything."
Ok but maybe Cap is holding back against that guy when he lost. Who knows? He still would be on the level of Spider-Man maybe to not break through his armor with Cap's shield (or maybe the armor was not extremis at that point?).
2. Hope you read the above comments though.
Speed: Iron Man
Durability: Iron Man
Weapons/Tech: Iron Man
Intellect: Iron Man
Fighting Style: Cap but Iron Man can copy Cap's moves
I can further prove these with facts but I think it's rather obvious why Stark outclasses Cap in every single category.
First, lets talk facts. These are Marvel's Official Power Rankings of these two characters -
Iron Man - 33/42
Captain America - 18/42
Result : Iron Man's overall score is even higher than Thor (32/42) and Hulk (32/42) by one point and higher than Captain Marvel (29/42) by 3 points. That doesn't mean he will always win against these people, it means he is pretty close to them.
Captain America comes way down at 18/42, he is a street leveler and not even the best at it coz Spider Man (19/42) beats him by one point.
Now lets look at every single category one by one :
Strength : Iron Man is an excess 100 tonner, the same category that includes Hulk and Thor. He has casually lifted building, massive ferries and moved 5 battle ships weighing 300,000 to 400,000 tons. Comparing that to Cap, he can only lift 0.4 to 0.6 tons at most. Iron Man is a beast in Strength that most non comic readers don't know of coz he's nerfed heavily in MCU.
Cap's strength feats are laughable compared to Iron Man. Even if you remove all the weapons from Tony's suit and even the flying capability, Tony still destroys Cap just from this humungous strength advantage Iron Man has over Cap.
Durability : Iron Man has casually survived Odin's Forge and shielded from Phoenix Force with ease. Whereas Cap died from a simple bullet. Iron Man stomps again.
Speed : Iron Man has even flew faster than light i.e. warp speed through which he outran a literal black hole. That's actually faster than normal Superman. Cap only has peak human speed. Iron Man stomps again.
Energy Projection : Iron Man has the ability to discharge multiple forms of energy. Cap has none. Iron Man stomps yet again.
Intelligence : Tony Stark is Top 3 in all of Marvel Universe in terms of Intelligence. Check the official list here - https://www.marvel.com/articles/...
Whereas Captain America isn't super genius or a genius or even a naturally intelligent guy. Cap only possesses learned intelligence which is basically called experience.
Fighting Skills : This is the only category where Captain America has a chance coz Cap is one of the best hand to hand combatants in the world. Unfortunately, Iron Man's armour has recorded all the fighting styles of Cap. Iron Man basically knows all of Captain America's moves before Cap even makes them. Iron Man doesn't stomp in this category, but still edges it out.
That's 6-0 clean sweep in favour of Iron Man.
And now the most common argument that Cap fanboys use...
Q. What happens if Tony doesn't have the suit ?
Ans. Tony still destroys Cap. In the comics Tony had Extremis serum for a long time which gave him super powers even without the suit. Its basically super soldier serum with self healing, regeneration and technopathic abilities. I mean he destroyed Daredevil without the suit and Daredevil is basically Cap's level.
Conclusion : Iron Man stomps 100/100 times. The only way Captain America can beat Iron Man is through plot induced stupidity by the writers.
I mean he can just create a RogersBuster
A: Ironman can create a Thor Buster
B: Ironman can create a Phoenix Force Buster
C: Ironman can create a Galactus Buster.
D: he must be able to create a Steve Rogers Buster.
Beyonder Buster
Lucifer Buster
One-Above-All Buster
Presence Buster...
In the movie Rogers defeated his armored team mate but there are conditions about the battle to question.
The most powerful attacks with the shield is capable of destroying an inch maybe even two of steel plate but Tonys armor is something else.
If Captain America realy is capable of destroying the Iron Man armor its a very hard thing to succéd.
Iron Man is strong enough to lift 100 tons and may easy harm Rogers with punches or his advanced weapons systems.
Captain America got a shield to block 90 percent of the attacks or perhaps more but a singel hit will seriously injure him.
Arter two or three hits with this power the battle is over.
The movie was plot based, if Iron Man used the abilitys to fly and all very advanced weapons systems he would be the victorious.
The battle may be long perhaps very long but Iron Man will be the winer !