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Funny, I was about to ask the same thing to you.
@Taurus Agreed.
@Tyrannus You don’t know what you’re talking about.
First, we have Martian Manhunter. He is as strong as, if not stronger than Superman, and also is his equal in speed. In addition, he has intangibility, his mental powers, and shapeshifting. He could make himself 100 feet tall and step on them if he wanted. In addition, his telepathy is some of the most powerful in comics. He could simply read one of the avenger's minds and learn everything about each of the members.
Here he is forcing himself into the spectre's mind, who obviously would see the avengers as a speck of dust in comparison. He has the mental fortitude to scan the entire planet at once.
He has fought off the entire Justice League on his own.
And also, here he is beating up Shazam (in a single punch), Ultraman, and Superboy-prime. Superboy-prime alone would mop the floor with the avengers.
So right off the bat, here is someone who can wipe the minds of an entire planet, including the JL and the spectre. We also have the Flash.
He has the infinite mass punch, which hits with the force of a white dwarf star. This attack easily can one-shot other martians.
He can use this attack one billion times in a single second.
And on top of that, Flash can steal speed and kinetic energy from his opponents and even entire planets, freezing them in place or even turning them into statues.
This is Jay Garrick stealing Superman's speed, a flash weaker than Barry.
So Flash could steal the speed of Thor and Hulk and permanently freeze them in place if he wanted to, giving him as much time as he or the JL want to finish them off. If he can do it to other speedsters, then he can do it to them. The Flash is also faster than any avenger by an astronomical margin. His speed is completely incalculable and he has even outrun the speed force itself. No avenger is laying a finger on Barry if he is trying to win. Oh, and also, Barry and Wally simply racing each other were going to destroy the fabric of the multiverse.
Superman:
Hurt the phantom stranger with a punch, who is an equal to the spectre.
Simply by fighting his silver age counterpart, they threaten to destroy reality and time itself.
He can survive blows from Emperor Joker, who has the powers of Mr. Mxy, a 5th dimensional imp.
Superman's heat vision can also be used to lobotomize other's brains, like he's done in the past. He could simply microscopically use his heat vision to disintegrate the Avenger's brains if he wanted to.
Wonder Woman:
Has a sword so shard it can slice electrons off of atoms. They both survived that explosion by the way.
Her sword could cut through the skin of any Avenger.
She is also faster than anyone on the Avenger's core roster, considering she blocked god shards at quintillions of times light speed.
She also has fought professor zoom and won.
Zoom is also faster than any Avenger.
Hal:
He has fought parallax many times, a being who is multiversal easily, also defeated Krona on his own, and even broken the Spectre's jaw. He is easily as powerful as characters like Hulk and Thor.
Now that i've given you evidence, the Avengers have to face all five of these people at the same time. All five of them are superior in speed, and many are above all of them in power. The JL also has numerous ways to win quickly, with MMH invading their minds, Flash stealing all their speed, or Superman evaporating their brains.
MM has also been scared off just by reading Black Adam's mind.
I LOVE GL but saying he's on par with Hulk is wrong. Hulk always overwhelms those who try and cage him and GL's powers are powered from his mind. Hulk will always overome and break his constructs.
Superman can and has been KO'd by strong enough hits. Damage, Gog and many others have done so.
Hulk and Thor can more than double that damage.
WW may match Thor but there's no way she can stop Hulk without making him stronger.
I’ve read that comic, and while it is canon, it’s pretty badly written and inconsistent. Manhunter was beating Adam up earlier in their fight.
I don’t think Hal would cage Hulk. I showed him overwhelming characters out of Hulk’s league.
Ok, Hulk and Thor have both been knocked out too. Superman survives hits harder than that all the time. Hulk and Thor got nothing on the Phantom Stranger or Emperor Joker.
Her atom slicing sword certainly can. Along with her blazing speed and godly physiology.
I thought you said all feats count?
And GL's also more consistently been defeated by lesser beings than Hulk.
And like its been explained before Hulk usually has context to being KO'd (e.g. psychic battles).
PS and EJ aren't here. Thor made Galactus flee for his life. No one in the JL has anything on Galactus.
That's just going to make Hulk even angrier which worsens the situation.
Please provide an example of that. Hulk would be wrecked by Parallax or Nekron.
Uh, yeah they do. Superman defeated Imperiex, who is a DC equivalent to galactus. Flash tore apart the armor of the anti monitor. Hal defeated Krona who is above Galactus.
It won’t be enough.
GL doesn't go round beating Parallax or Nekron on the regular and when he did it was his upper tier feat.
When GL made a construct around earth, Superman simply pulling against it was breaking his construct.
Also Superman said he was giving that everything he got. It was just one planet.
Are you seriously claiming Superman is comparable to Galactus? Those are outliers.
WW's attacks will anger Hulk making it enough.
I did actually write something on Flash but it appears I accidently erased it. I'd said I didn't have a defence on Flash.
GL using puppies against Hulk was actually a very good idea and exploits Hulk's weakness. However would that be considered a win? Its usually to death or KO so it depends on how you look at it.
You should have read that scan a little closer. Superman was pulling the planet against the pull of a black hole called starbreaker.
No, i'm saying that Superman has also fought being on Galactus's level and been ok. It isn't consistent but neither is Thor making him flee. Thor also was drawing extra power from Odin and Galactus was starving.
You underestimate Hulk's opponents. You need more than brute strength to overwhelm most of the JL.
Ok, no worries. I think it's a good point to make.
Here WW, Superman and GL struggle against a moon.
Thor's godblast is extraordinary and is a league ahead of Thor's base power. It makes a massive difference. Thor can draw from the odin-force whenever he needs.
I didn't. I accepted Flash, Superman defeat has been explained, WW's attacks will make Hulk stronger and he'll inevitable overwhelmed GL's defences. And he has Thor. MM is another factor that could go either way.
Also, attacking Banner would result in him Hulking out again.
Prove to me that Superman holds back with scans.
You've seen the evidence for Hulk holding back. Don't lie.
Yeah, none of the evidence provided was for base Hulk.
If you seriously don't believe Hulk doesn't hold back then your lost. Hulk can break planets with a punch so obviously he's going to need to hold back. Put 2 and 2 together. Look it up yourself.
Hulk said "even in New York, even in Vegas", meaning he even holds back while he is Worldbreaker. He says "even", because that's the question. Once its established that WBH holds back, then of course "BaSe" Hulk holds back!
@Taurus That’s drawing a false equivalency, but I’ll let it slide. Superman still holds back more.
Difference is Hulk's strength gets better while Superman's will weaken. Its why Hulk has to hold back more.
Also, stop underrating Hulk's cunningness, speed, power, durability, etc.
Hulk isn't a slouch in those categories by any means, but Superman is above him in comparison.
Yes, but Superman will underestimate Hulk, which will compensate for the lack of intellect (plus Banner is there to assist, as he won't work against him this time). Like @Tyrannus has stated in the past, traveling speed/flying advantage means little for Superman, unless he's planning on running away (not too bad of an idea now that I think about it). Hulk becomes more powerful than Superman once he gets significantly angry. Reaction speed, Hulk's regen could compensate, and not long into the fight Hulk will be able to easily tag him; same with durability and most other things.
Actually you made the claim first when you claimed Superman was better in every category. Your very reluctant to provide evidence. A common theme here.
This is actually embarrassing that your trying to deny Hulk doesn't hold back. You sound like a casual who doesn't read the comics.
You both need to stop assuming Superman underestimates his opponents. He isn't stupid. Superman does not run in swinging, unlike Hulk. If anything, Hulk will underestimate Superman's speed and abilities. Superman could just fly in circles and blast Hulk with his heat vision over and over again and never even let Hulk punch him. Superman would beat him before his anger rises to that level. Also, assuming they are fighting on earth, Superman isn't going to tire any time soon.
@Tyrannus You literally never give me scans. You expect me to believe you on nothing but your word. I have provided plenty of scans. I have to spend more time on defense constantly trying to fight against your assertions of bias and lying. You get mad when I use "anti-feats", but when I gave evidence for Superman you did the exact same thing. I personally don't care if you do that, but don't try to discredit me when I do it if you're going to do it too. That's hypocritical.
Savage Hulk when he's angry does not hold back as much as Superman who spends more time protecting others than he does fighting. He also literally put mental barriers on his powers that he had to unlock with Mongul because he was afraid of his power.
Actually its you who complains about bias first and often. Its your go to argument when faced with evidence that debunks your lies.
I used anti-feats to prove a point that they don't work. You've proven my point.
I seriously don't think you know you Hulk is anymore. You do know Hulk's a superhero. He also protects others while being attacked. This is why you vote against Hulk. Because you don't know and and don't want to either because then you'd have to concede Hulk wins. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
Would Superman REALLY want to do that though?
Assuming they are fighting pretty much anywhere, Hulk isn't going to tire EVER. Not only that, he will rejuvenate himself as the battle moves forward.
@Taurus Ok, first you provide evidence that WBH godstomps Warriors Madness Thor. Superman totally could do that, and if he felt it necessary, he would. Ok, again with the NLF. I already gave scans showing Hulk getting tired. So him being tired is not impossible or even unlikely, given Superman's blazing speed. I could make the exact same argument since as long as they are under a planet with a sun, Superman will continue to be replenished also.
How about YOU prove that Superman can top those feats, because that's what you've been claiming all this time. Maybe if I felt it was necessary, I would go super sayin, who knows?
It's the facts. Hulk doesn't have a limit. Either provide real evidence instead of whining "NLF" or "Ad hominem", or accept that you're mistaken and move on. No shame in either of those routes.
Except not only is Hulk replenished, he is constantly growing in power and energy.
Which feats? SHOW me the feats and i'll give you the evidence to top it.
Ok, neither does Superman under the sun, which is where they will be fighting. You're being really immature by constantly making memes out of my points of criticism and tYpInG iN CaPitAL lETTerS. Same stuff with saying i'm whining. That, right there, is ad hominem. You couldn't even finish that sentence without contradicting yourself. What you are doing is extrapolating Hulk's strength rising by his anger to mean that Hulk has no limit to his power. That is exactly what a no limits fallacy is. Just because there is no forseeable limit does not mean limitless. If I live in a world with and my magical axe can chop through everything, does that mean its power is limitless? I guess that means my magic axe could chop through the Destroyer's armor in one swing. Bring actual points to the table instead of this one point.
I don't say things like I feel like Hulk's better, I've been using undeniable evidence which has been backed several times. I use facts not feelings. Do the same.
Superman won't grow in power while fighting, he'll lose it.
You think just because Hulk's powers allow him to beat Superman that he must be omnipotent. Stop equating Superman to the LT.
I did, Thor vs Ghost Rider. I have more as well.
The following contains too much hocus-pocus for me to decipher: "You're being really immature by constantly making memes out of my points of criticism and tYpInG iN CaPitAL lETTerS. Same stuff with saying i'm whining. That, right there, is ad hominem. You couldn't even finish that sentence without contradicting yourself. What you are doing is extrapolating Hulk's strength rising by his anger to mean that Hulk has no limit to his power. That is exactly what a no limits fallacy is. Just because there is no forseeable limit does not mean limitless. If I live in a world with and my magical axe can chop through everything, does that mean its power is limitless? I guess that means my magic axe could chop through the Destroyer's armor in one swing. Bring actual points to the table instead of this one point."
But lol dude, the reason I mentioned "ad hominem", was because I was predicting what you were going to "slide" to, and was I wrong?
@Taurus I’ll give it a look. It isn’t that hard man, I was pretty clear with my explanation.
And actually there have been several people who have said Hulk's ability for unlimited strength is a thing. But if you don't want to believe the Beyonder, believe the Marvel and DC writers who say he wins. Or do you not accept writers unless they agree with your narrative?
Scarlet Witch has defeated Thor, who is already stronger than anyone on the opposite team except for Martian Manhunter (in my opinion). Superman is vulnerable to magic, so he's a special target. Batman is powerless, no question about that. Martian Manhunter is a powerful telepath, but he has been outmatched before, and do you really want to go poking around in the mind of an already mentally unstable cosmic level mutant?
Also Hulk > Thor > SW
Batarangs? Really?
Or anything. I could beat her in a physical fight. A stomp actually.
The flash is too fast for her also.
Thor is faster than Hulk before he gets angry, but other than that they are not equals. Even so, five minutes into the fight and Hulk is vastly superior.
Scarlet Witch at her peak stood toe-to-toe with the Phoenix Force.
Hulk at his peak >>> (infinite) >>> Wanda at her peak
The only version of Hulk I can think of that can beat HoM Wanda or Life Force Wanda is Cosmic Immortal Hulk, and that's because he's possessed by the One-Below-All.
So? CIH stomps most of fiction; he would beat RKT and HoM at the same time with a punch.
I noted CIH because that technically wasn't the Hulk at his peak, he was being amped.
Hulk is the god of green. I have declared it. So it shall be written so it shall be done. Now what?
He and Hulk have been shown to be Hulk >= Thor
What makes you the one to declare who the god of green is?
Nah, Thor = Hulk. Any victory on either side is to help the plot. My take on the battle is that Thor wins.
Flew right by you. Point is I don't give a shit who you're the god of (unless you're actual God (no, let's not go here); doesn't change how well you do in a fight.
Me: Hulk takes this most of the time, as he's slightly above.
You : They're equal, but Thor wins.
Me: Wtf?
Exactly. Infinity isn't a limit, yet you say "beyond infinity" as if it's possible.
What I meant: Usually, due to the creators/writers, Thor and Hulk should be equal. Hulk should be strongest, Thor should be stronger than that, so they are both strongest. So, they are equal. Both are written to be insanely powerful. However, the voting system for battles on this site doesn't have a tie option, so I choose Thor. I have my own reasons for choosing Thor, even though the sources in the comics never show a clear victor.
Please don't quote me as IICR I've never said that.
Made little sense.
Also, you mention that Thor is a god. Are you forgetting "puny god"?
Thor >> MCU Thor
Loki >> MCU Loki
Easy, the fact that Thor isn't puny.
If someone is the god of something, that probably means they are extremely proficient with it and/or associated with it.
Now what? Is there any paperwork to fill out or something?
Hulk's adaptations are instantaneous; if you can't down him in a couple hits (Thanos), and don't get a major upgrade yourself (ie Juggs) then you're going down HARD.
@Alien_X Keeping up with Strange’s astral form isn’t that impressive in the grand scheme of speed compared to other character. That doesn’t prove he has infinite speed.
I've already proven the speed of thought is faster than light.
@Tyrannus Just shut up man. I do my research. What the hell do you expect me to do when I’m trying to prove my point? Obviously I’m going to use actual examples which you just sweep under the rug. And that Batman statement doesn’t follow. Great, but all 5 of the JLA powerhouses are WAY faster than light. All of them are quadrillions of times faster at minimum, while people like Superman and Flash are immeasurable in speed. Hulk is not on their level, end of story.
Also, which 5 JLA powerhouses are you talking about? I'm assuming Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern.
The Batman example does follow if the anti-feats against Hulk count too. You can't pick and choose what doesn't go your way.
I've already shown the speed of thought surpasses light and Hulk's clearly been able to keep up with it. Stop being bitter you lost.
@Tyrannus You’re getting on my nerves but no I’m not insulting you. You seem to not understand, so I’ll bring it up again. Batman only stands the slightest chance against other JLA members because of months to years of preparation and specifically exploiting their weaknesses. That isn’t how a battle like this would play out.
Well I didn’t lose, but believe what you wish. Even if it does surpass the speed of light, it wouldn’t matter since the characters he’s up against are still faster. He also was behind strange in the scans i was shown.
And Hulk when not holding back would stomp these street level heroes in less than a blink of an eye. But obviously you'll ignore that because you won't accept you got it wrong.
The 1 or 2 arguments you did bring up were shown to be false and then you resorted to insults which sealed your defeat. Not only could you not accept you got it wrong, you acted like a sore loser about it.
Like its been said before, Hulk's reacted to and defeated these fast beings. He kept up to Dr Strange no problem.
I didn’t get it wrong, that stuff happened. Yes, realistically he would, but he didn’t.
How about you actually demonstrate my stuff to be false rather than just saying it’s been disproved? Your evidence to prove me wrong has been pretty bad so far.
Ok? Again, that doesn’t mean he can match Flash or Superman, since both are above any character he’s reacted to. That strange feat is the only one you ever seem to mention, so that just goes to show how little evidence you actually have.
Supergirl and Flash fight, he refuses to hit her.
It’s pretty common knowledge that Barry holds back his speed all the time so he doesn’t hurt others. He has a very strict moral code, and that’s why his enemies can get the better of him. That’s why he doesn’t use the full extent of his powers all the time.
He even befriends his enemies, like when he and Captain Cold became allies.
Your excuse of "your a fanboy" is a cop out at this point. Just stop. And yes you did call me a fanboy and now you've told me to shut up. Show some respect. Your the one who's been playing the victim because your alone.
And Batman soloed the Justice League. So Batman>JL right?
You've made several claims which were proven several times to be false. You would ignore them and repeat them again because you know you got caught out. We both know at this point.
"that doesn’t mean he can match Flash or Superman" based on what? Your credibility is so low at this point that if anything I'm more confident Hulk can now. And at least I show evidence.
Maybe he doesn't want to hit her because he'll break his hand?
But fr, Hulk had Skaar's head in his hand and was about to "crush him like an egg". Hulk was holding back and telling Skaar to stop but he kept going. This is just one example.
I don't care "common knowledge". Prove to me that he holds back more than Hulk (and Banner for that matter).
Hulk befriends his enemies too, like how him and Namor become allies.
My credibility is higher than yours, because the amount of evidence you provide is laughably small. You spend more time attacking me than you do actually proving your point. I have already demonstrated why Superman and Flash are out of Hulks league in speed, and you just respond with telling me feats Hulk has done which don’t at all prove he’s on their level in speed.
No, Barry has punched Clark and been fine. He was being nice to her.
Despite not showing me, I believe what you said about that example. However I’m not convinced.
We’ve had this discussion before. You even agreed with me that Barry is very morally upstanding.
Right, but my point is that Flash does this kind of stuff all the time. He takes the time to learn everyone’s name in town and hangs out with orphan kids in his spare time. It’s a little hard to believe someone like the Hulk who is known for being full of rage and anger is as nice as Barry.
I was joking, as I think he could beat her.
Despite not showing ME, I believe what you said about the example. However I'm not convinced.
Yes but I never said he holds back more than Hulk and Banner combined.
It's hard to believe that someone as weak looking as Superman would even stand a chance against Hulk. Yet he does. Looks can be deceiving m8.
Do you want scans for Hulk holding back or being nice, or the extent in which he goes to to protect innocents, even though they hate his guts? I get the feeling that you would be one of the Hulk hating civilians should he exist.
Also if you'd read Batman's wins you'd see it shouldn't matter how much prep he had, anyone of them could have soloed him but all of them combined couldn't. All of this could be avoided if you'd just read the comics instead of looking for cherry picked feats.
Everything you said was the complete opposite and your only saying this back to be in retaliation. And the sad thing is instead of admitting you got it wrong you have to double down and resort to insults instead. You've shown absolutely nothing. You spend more time claiming you've shown evidence than you actually do show evidence. And all of this can be backed up by @Dhruv and @Taurus who actually took part in that debate.
Also, nobody thinks Hulk is too strong for anyone. Superman is not at the top of the totem pole if that's what you meant.
@Taurus I highly disagree with that, considering the people who’ve beaten him. And you also copied my comment. Many people on this site think that, including you.
@ everyone who you think thinks Hulk beats everyone on this site.
@Taurus You phrased part of your reply exactly as I did. I mean, the whole “Hulk is the strongest there is” is pretty obviously saying that he’s too strong for anyone to match. I’m not saying people think he’s unbeatable, I’m saying people think nobody is close to him in strength.
@Tyrannus That’s pretty ignorant considering the comments about Hulk being the strongest there is with infinite strength. Any time I’ve said you claim Hulk “beats everyone” it’s an exaggeration. You still do overestimate who he can beat, but I’ve purposely been exaggerating that. The types of arguments you use imply you think he is unbeatable. And. no, I’m not equating that. I brought that up because people like you who use no limits fallacies make arguments for Hulk that are totally unrealistic. That is why you should avoid that type of argument.
Then don't exaggerate. It ruins the debate. I don't overestimate who he beats. In fact if anything I've been more harsh on Hulk because of you. But if the facts clearly support Hulk I have to go with him.
I've never said anything to imply Hulk is unbeatable. If I did then all the times I've voted against him don't make sense.
Literally never used the no limits fallacy. Don't put words into my mouth.
I mean, you think he beats the entire Justice League on his own and also characters on skyfather tier. I seriously am questioning that claim. I don't agree, I think there is some confirmation bias in your arguments. In any fight with someone who doesn't clearly stomp Hulk, you vote Hulk. So that's why I question you. You act like Hulk's strength negates any of his opponent's advantages.
I already explained how you have in the past.
Oh and @Galactus , suppose someone theoretically "copied someone's comment" (ik like wtf?), does it say anywhere in the rules for the site that that's not allowed?
I’m not saying it’s against the rules dude, it’s just annoying.
But its false. Oh, and also, I don't recall asking you.
I'm really starting to question if you've just been messing with me now. I mean, you literally admitted you did earlier. I really don't care if you asked me. I'm the one you're talking about, so i'll respond if I feel like it.
Again you keep making arguments that aren't even here. Hulk isn't alone here, he has the Avengers. What skyfather hero did I say Hulk beat? "confirmation bias". Like what? In close fights I've been voting AGAINST Hulk not for him. Your making a lot of claims without backing them up. Its like you've convinced yourself we're biased for so long you don't actually remember why. And it turns out there is no evidence because I'm not biased.
You've literally never proven I use no limits fallacy. When asked for proof it was found you had no proof after all. And neither does @Taurus. During our debate on Hulk vs Doomsday, he's never once said anything close to a no limit fallacy.
Dude, that isn't true. You have not been voting against Hulk in close battles. You've even voted Hulk against characters like Captain Atom, who literally is universal and can manipulate radiation, which is what Hulk's made of, and Doctor Fate, who is leagues above people like Hulk and Superman and gave the Spectre a good fight. There's some evidence for you.
I already explained once why you do and even gave you an example. Just because Hulk has the infinite potential for strength does not mean that he can eventually beat any opponent. You and @Taurus have said in the past that a mismatch doesn't matter because a mismatch would just make Hulk angry and he'd win anyway. That's a NLF in a nutshell.
Doomsday, Red Hulk, Void, Silver Surfer, Black Bolt, stable Sentry etc. All of these beings are comparable to Hulk and yet I've always voted against Hulk there. And those are just the ones of the top of my head who are herald tier. There's way more.
Hulk is also universal. He's destroyed a universe with a clap before. Dr Fate is the one guy I can't remember why I voted against. I changed it. I think I did that as a joke and forgot to change it back. But how did you know that? Did you go looking for Hulk battles?
No you didn't. It turned out you'd just had a bad experience with someone else and you generalised all the other Hulk voters.
"Just because Hulk has the infinite potential for strength does not mean that he can eventually beat any opponent". Hence why I don't vote Hulk every time. And we said that about Superman not someone like the LT. Shows how highly you view Superman though. This has been debunked though. Why are you repeating this?
Doomsday can have the same no limits fallacy applied, so can red hulk. With sentry you literally argued with me that Hulk beat him. Surfer you said only can beat Hulk if he cheats.
Not as consistenly as the other characters he's up against. I have some characters who I visit their pages a lot.
I never said ALL Hulk voters are like that, i'm saying people who support Hulk are some of the most likely to apply a no-limits fallacy, just like Superman and Goku fans.
You guys never really directly answered that, but i'll let it slide since it was a generalization on my part.
2) Same with Red Hulk.
3) Because like you just said, he would apply Superman or Goku's "no limit fallacy" and say they beat Hulk if what you said were true,
4) Hulk did literally beat Sentry, although Sentry has a calming aura which makes it a very close fight.
5) Exactly. Without draining Hulk's powers Surfer gets stomped, as we see a weakened Hulk do in the WWH storyline.
6) Also, its funny how you say that, because when @Dhruv showed where Hulk was stated to be "stronger than Doomsday", you said that "strength doesn't mean everything".
But here you're saying that Hulk being the "strongest there is" means a guaranteed win. So which one is it?
7) Oh, and another thing. "Hulk voters"? So does that make YOU a Hulk voter, as you've voted for Hulk before?
2. It's still Hulk.
3. He could, but Hulk is his favorite so it's the preferred character in that sense.
4. You have no proof of this calming aura nonsense, them being friends at one point doesn't prove that. That also was world breaker Hulk, not regular Hulk. And it was technincally a tie.
5. That isn't base Hulk, which is who we are talking about here.
6. Correct. It doesn't mean everything. Hulk winning everything by being the strongest is the point i've been fighting this whole time. I have not agreed with that at all.
7. Hulk fans or supporters. And before you say anything, just because i'm not a self-declared fan doesn't mean I don't like the Hulk.
What no limits fallacy does Doomsday and Red Hulk have? I said STABLE Sentry. SS doesn't cheat. He uses the power cosmic which is fair. All these people dismantle the "bias" argument but I'm sure you'll forget them by tomorrow and assume I always vote Hulk.
When Hulk stops holding back then he is universal. Your only hope of Hulk losing is when he holds back.
On SHDB practically no one here uses the NLF.
And stop acting like Hulk's my #1 favourite. And can you really not tell the difference between green and Red Hulk? Your just showing your lack of knowledge on Hulk or your hatred of him. He's the only character you won't accept winning despite everything else saying the contrary.
It looks like you don't know Sentry either because the calming aura was a big part of his powers. They were friends for a very long time. Robert collapsed why Banner was still standing. Now that's what we call a clear win.
You can say Doomsday will never lose because of his reactive evolution, and the anger with red hulk. Again, that was not base Hulk with sentry. You said surfer can only win if he drains Hulk, otherwise Hulk would win. There is context to all of these characters.
There, what you just said, is a NLF. "Your only hope of Hulk losing is when he holds back." That is exactly what i'm talking about. Once Hulk is not holding back, supposedly he can't lose. I mean, it's pretty obvious he is your favorite, so...
I have looked on the internet multiple times pretty thouroughly and what is says is that Sentry has used it to help Hulk control his rage in the past. It doesn't say anything anywhere about him using it in the middle of a fight. Again, that wasn't base Hulk, and he reverted so if you want to call it a win I guess you can, but it is more akin to a tie.
2) No, it's not. That's further from the truth than saying that Supergirl is still Superman.
3) Then why did he apply it to Doomsday or Red Hulk if "Hulk is his favorite character"?
4) a. @Dhruv literally chucked a ton of scans at you. I don't even feel like sending them as you'll just ignore them like you do to every scan one of us "hUlK vOtErS" sends. b. WBH is just really angry Hulk. More proof that Hulk's power increases tremendously when ticked off. We went over this already.
5) Exactly, it was a weaker Hulk, who was being weakened by Sakaar. He could even be punctured/bleed.
6) LMFAO. Nope. @Tyrannus was the one arguing that, while you said the statement "Hulk is the strongest there is" is claiming Hulk beats everyone.
7) So if someone is a fan of a character, they auto-vote them? Maybe that's how it works with DC fans, but that's definitely not the way to go...
And I'm a self declared Superman fan.
Also, if you're a Hulk fan then you're the most biased Hulk fan I've ever seen.
Against Superman. Not anyone. I've literally named several people I've voted against Hulk on so what your claiming is again wrong. The facts contradict you.
"it's pretty obvious he is your favourite". Said the person who said Red Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier and clearly hates Hulk.
If anything that makes Hulk's win even better. So you call Hulk and Banner still standing against Superman a loss but you call Sentry collapsing a tie. You've already admitted your bias so at least we both know the clear winner is Hulk.
1. You need to look again then. I’m not just talking about Hulk, check other battles. I’ve voted against him with characters like MMH, Flash, Doctor Strange, etc.
2. That isn’t a good comparison.
3. Just because Hulk is his favorite doesn’t mean that he can’t do it for other characters.
4. Yeah, at least @Dhruv isn’t being super hostile towards me every time we have a disagreement. He’s the one who gives most of the proof out of the three of you. We have been over this, and once again WBH has a separate profile.
5. Ok...
6. Yea, he still argues that. Also, I was arguing against that point, not for it.
7. Normally they have a preference, we all do to some extent. I like the Hulk but I wouldn’t call myself a Hulk fan per say. If I was a biased Hulk fan, I would vote how you do.
That was world breaker hulk. Next.
Many of the times you vote against Hulk you still argue why he wins in the comments. And once again, I don’t by any means hate Hulk. Absolutely not. You keep repeating that but it isn’t true.
That’s because Superman tired Hulk out and made him revert while he couldn’t keep himself angry vs Sentry. Superman was completely fine while Sentry was knocked down, so they were different circumstances. No, I’m not, and no he isn’t.
And did I vote for Hulk over Lucifer? If not then your again been caught lying.
If you can admit you got it wrong with Red Hulk why not with Green?
Wrong again because that was World War Hulk. Bruh are you even trying?
Of all those people I mentioned when have I said Hulk wins?
You don't seems to even accept the evidence contradicting the things you say on Hulk. Its ok to not be an expert on Hulk but then don't assume to know how he works.
Its already been debunked Hulk can't get tired when angry so that example never worked. If Superman hurt Hulk or Banner in any way he angers and its game over. Even Superman himself began to fear the outcome after Hulk few a punches. Hulk wasn't tired with Sentry because he literally goes WBH a few panels later.
Sorry but the facts and feats are against you here. That and the fact that you've been caught lying before all points towards Hulk winning.
I never said you voted Hulk over Lucifer. Regardless of whether it was world war hulk or world breaker Hulk, it was not base hulk, which is who we are talking about here.
Actually, Hulk can get tired.
Stop saying he can’t.
You pretend I always vote for Hulk when clearly I haven't.
WWH and WBH are very different so its important. And I don't think your capable of telling the difference between base Hulk and WBH considering you confused red for green.
Like I said Hulk can't get tired when angry. In the second scan he wasn't allowed to sleep because he was getting angry. So the point still stands.
1) All characters which you like.
2) It doesn't matter; Red Hulk is the NOT the Hulk. That's like saying Abomination is the Hulk.
3) That's so f--king dumb bro. Why not do it for Superman then, who's also one of his favorites?
4) Are you stupid? No, I would say you're not. I would say that you are biased. But you could choose. Maybe a little of both.
6) IK
7) No, you're biased, just not for him.
Also, you conveniently "forgot" to show where Umar puts a spell o Hulk to stop him from killing her, and that's the reason Hulk can't get angry.
Prove to me that Superman can satisfy Umar better. I bet Hulk beats him even in that category.