The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification.
What it DOESN'T mean
This doesn't mean that a higher class would always beat a lower class character. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight.
How is this calculated
( INT^1.3 + (STR*0.5 )^2 + (SPE*0.5)^2 + DUR^1.6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1.8 ) ^ TIER
Super Power Score and Level
Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation.
1. Thor can Godblast him
2. Even the website says thor is stronger
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WpAbJQBkMm0
watch this thor simps and if you want i can debate
Do I think RKT wins? Sometimes. Not always. Both are in their strongest form, it could literally go either way. It depends where fight takes place, circumstance, if it's first encounter etc etc.
I still vote Rune King Thor, because I see him winning MORE fights, just not everything. There are scenarios where he could be defeated, but neither would really "Die". Just defeated.
Alot of people highly overrate Cosmic Armor Superman with specific metaphorical words describing and building up nonsense of manipulative lies.
People who don't explore comic books will easily fall into people's hands. Into believing their nonsense narcissistic mouths/fingers.
Sure CAS has shown Limbo on his fingertips but that isn't actual Limbo. That was just an representation of Limbo. I will give you an easy logical example, Hologram. But it's not entirely Hologram but what can we know is that he is a robot after all and androids/robots are capable of causing this.
Then again. It ain't an actual Limbo, it was just a representation of Limbo to know where it is.
Common sense.
During CAS and Mandrakk whole brawl, Superman didn't even demonstrate his mind blowing capabilities/abilities throughout his whole brawl against Mandrakk.
It was more of a Superman-like acts against Mandrakk. Typical truly. I just don't know why people be saying he has insane abilities or having a high intellect. Truly makes 0 sense.
All they say is "Limbo" for their response. That's basically is all. Seriously, the Limbo bit on his fingertips wasn't an actual Limbo, I will repeat again, it was just a representation of a Limbo like a Hologram since he is a robot/android and they are capable of visually showcase stuff.
CAS gets badly hurt and starts to downgrade his looks and performance throughout the whole brawl, he begins to look like Terminator, all hideous and ugly. All busted up and crippled. Damaged badly and ruined.
He was even seen knocked out on the floor and on his very own knees before Mandrakk.
That's truly embarrassing and humiliating. So how you going to compare that to RKT a man who wasn't spotted laying on the floor or on knees during any of his battles?
How you gonna compare CAS to RKT, a man who didn't even lose any brawl nor struggled any conflicts? How you gonna compare CAS to RKT when CAS be looking like Terminator while RKT be looking all handsome still?
I just don't understand. RKT even demonstrated his capabilities/abilities to us audience/readers/viewers to witness what he is truly capable of doing.
He showed us that he can survive in the TWSAIS Shadow Realm where Life Bringer Galactus can't even enter in. Or else he would get erased.
CAS fanbase believe CAS has plot manipulation for himself only, they forgetting that RKT also has it too since he was capable of surviving in the TWSAIS. After all he didn't get erased.
Multi-Eternity, Oblivion, GOS Loki and Life Bringer Galactus all said they are "Beyonders" what else you don't want to believe? It's all there in comics. It's literally written all there. Stop not believing the fact that they aren't Beyonders. I'm sick of it. Just accept it and move on.
CAS only won his fight against Mandrakk from an off-guard push. He pushed Mandrakk into a Overvoid. Fun fact, Mandrakk survived, was only sent Into a dark multiverse. People in short video/comment section have been lying saying he died. Which is false. Truly is false and it is disgustingly falsely.
CAS implements his final testaments into a tombstone then dies.
Monitors are known to have great observations, they said this "...wound beyond repair"
Easy enough to understand. CAS isn't entirely a robot he has a human soul. If the engine stops running then he dies. If the human soul fades out then engine fails and corrupts.
It's all common sense.
Mandrakk then appears and CAS ain't there. After all he is dead. End of the discussion.
RKT is still walking while CAS is living under a tombstone.
That's my debate.
Respect Rune King Thor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/kdxRocalzIo?feature=share
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RKT ››››› Cosmic armour superman
RKT curbstomps
they picked RKT bcuz they have braincells
CAS Is Low Hyperverse Level
Hyperverse >>>Multiverse
TWsais exist in outside and within the eternity there is place called superflow which is high outerversal.. due to it being archetypecal archetypes are something that can be found in collective unconscious..
Say dream and superflow is the place of dreams and visions..
So outside is basically beyond multi eternity which RKT scales to
Which means he has Odin's powers
Odin's battle with seth rippled all planes of reality
And the 16th plane of reality in marvel is beyond the concepts of space and time..
Which makes Odin's feat outerversal, hence RKT is already outerversal via this info alone, but there's more..
RKT erases mangog out of existence (Meaning he has existence erasure)
Mangog Scales above odin
Hence mangog is outerversal, and RKT erased mangog out of existence
After learning the Runes and drinking from the Well of Mimir, Rune King Thor becomes all-knowing and gains total omniscience, as he lives in the past, present and future simultaneously, and sees every aspect of reality, from quantum level to cosmic structures, from absolute nothingness to all of creation:
Rune King Thor hung himself as his father Odin did before him, but unlike him, he did it to the death. Once in Hela's realm, he defied Death itself, regained the Odin-force and re-born himself from the Runes to become completely immortal..
He creates ripples through reality to allow Surtur to get into Valhalla (Valhalla is the Asgardian afterlife outside of all realities in marvel, (Hence outer- high outer)
Rune King Thor stops the Ragnarok Cycle by destroying the threads of fate
At the same time, he destroys Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadows, who are Elder Gods, like Gaea, Kronos, Eon, Chton, etc., that ,,were feeding off the death and rebirth of Asgard till the dawn of time (as people like Odin first existed before the creation of the Earth itself, so easily billions of years of feeding off Asgardian energies and life-forces), and through that became celestial beings (not the Celestials, as the race of space gods, but celestial power as in cosmic in nature). He destroys those beings and merged with Eternity to fall into the thor sleep
..
Him beating those who sit above in shadows make him easily boundless /Tier 0
Let me lowball marvel Cosmology here, I won't include realms Transcending the marvel Multiverse like overspace and nexus of all realities here, since the marvel Multiverse is already outerversal (Proved above since 16th plane of reality is beyond the concepts of space time)
So marvel Multiverse is outerversal
The outside views marvel Multiverse as a mere illusion
Eternity embodies the outside
Hence making eternity high outerversal
And those who sit above in shadow belong to a place where eternity won't long lost in, hence eternity being totally irrelevant to them
Which means Rune king thor is boundless aswell
Bur yet there are even more Boundless arguments for Rune king thor, of him scaling to god of stories loki.
King Loki is afraid of rune king thor
Those who sit above the shadows have no respect for god of stories loki
Also rune king thor oneshotted true yagdrassil
True yagdrassil is connected to TOAA's realm
TOAA'S realm is beyond those who sit above in shadows realm
Another boundless argument for RKT
However, since i agrued RKT scaling to god of stories loki , now to prove why god of stories loki is boundless
As the God of Stories, loki becomes the God of Creation of Stories
Loki and Verity talks about The Destruction of the omniverse and no matter how much it's is destroyed there will always be stories left
God of Stories Loki and Verity prepare for the new chapter opening in which God of Stories Loki starts in the New
King Loki uses his power to one shot every Skyfather level beings which odin defends himself and Amara
God of Stories Loki then bleeds past King Loki collecting his staff and Loki make fun of King Loki who should know the next thing since he is future loki who should have been God of Stories at a point
King Loki wanted Joe's victory over anyone that threatens his ego because if he rejected his life that he has he always had but that's one fate he couldn't rewrite.
As the gods came King Loki fled from the comics to a place known as the outside he ran not because of fear but his narratively losing he can watch out everyone there except God of Stories Loki if he wanted to
As God of Stories Loki decides not to take sides
Those he sit behind the shadow who request for the stories to be fed on
And that Loki decides to tell them a story..
A story of creation from beginning till the end
Which implies god of stories loki is nigh omniscient)
And all God of Stories Loki had to do was excluded them from the story and they went back to where from
And as God of Stories Loki and King Loki spoke where loki end up saving the stories and this would make it consistent for secret wars for a reason and God of Stories walk out of comic book..
So this makes god of stories loki metafictional
Hence Rune king thor is metafictional Aswell
And here's some more feats of god of stories loki
God of Stories Loki basically just created stories, ideas, books characters and all there is springs from the house of ideas and loki above it all
As a result of striking up a deal with Now and Then within the House of Ideas, Loki gained the ability to turn into reality whichever story he could fabricate about the past by virtue of telling it, retroactively altering history so it happened While every person who strikes up a deal with Now and Then gain this ability, they also forget their visit to their House of Ideas
And he beats them in that deal
Which is another boundless feat for god of stories loki since then and now are native to house of ideas
And house of ideas is boundless
CONCLUSION: RKT (Lowballed) is boundless
And here's a fun fact: The multiversal yagdrassil (Not the true yagdrassil) was referred to as a quantum metaverse
In fiction nobody is omnipotent..
Omnipotent thing is debunked in fiction..
You can say thor is boundless who can one shot high outerversal Characters like lucifer the morning star the presence Ellanic Belloc etc ..
Rune king thor has odin force
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832538486221045770/IMG_20210416_115734.jpg
Which means he has Odin's powers
Odin's battle with seth rippled all planes of reality
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832682999060627547/images_70.jpeg
And the 16th plane of reality in marvel is beyond the concepts of space and time
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832683285687566336/images_64.jpeg
Which makes Odin's feat outerversal, hence RKT is already outerversal via this info alone, but there's more
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832684172266176562/images_72.jpeg
RKT erases mangog out of existence (Meaning he has existence erasure)
Mangog Scales above odin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832684823071293450/images_73.jpeg
Another evidence proving that mangog > Odin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824650798528462869/832711889511252048/IMG_20210416_115720.jpg
After learning the Runes and drinking from the Well of Mimir, Rune King Thor becomes all-knowing and gains total omniscience, as he lives in the past, present and future simultaneously, and sees every aspect of reality, from quantum level to cosmic structures, from absolute nothingness to all of creation:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608170748411904/4646220-2891388-page1odinymiruniverse.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608259465805854/4646223-2891389-page2odinymiruniverse.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608259747610624/4646226-3899287-omniscent.jpg
Rune King Thor hung himself as his father Odin did before him, but unlike him, he did it to the death. Once in Hela's realm, he defied Death itself, regained the Odin-force and re-born himself from the Runes to become completely immortal:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608488483192883/4646236-th4.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608488672591872/4646272-th7.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608488865792040/4646275-3519993-1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608489096085564/4646320-thor178.jpg
He creates ripples through reality to allow Surtur to get into Valhalla (Valhalla is the Asgardian afterlife outside of all realities in marvel, (Hence outer- high outer)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608638417502290/4646338-04thor.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832608638622760980/4646344-2767278917-42170.jpg
Rune King Thor stops the Ragnarok Cycle by destroying the threads of fate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832609087014961223/4646382-011thor.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832609087282872350/4646388-2861100-012thor1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832609087496650823/4646398-013thor.jpg
At the same time, he destroys Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadows, who are Elder Gods, like Gaea, Kronos, Eon, Chton, etc., that ,,were feeding off the death and rebirth of Asgard till the dawn of time (as people like Odin first existed before the creation of the Earth itself, so easily billions of years of feeding off Asgardian energies and life-forces), and through that became celestial beings (not the Celestials, as the race of space gods, but celestial power as in cosmic in nature). He destroys those beings and merged with Eternity to fall into the thor sleep
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832609220603674624/4646404-015thor.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832609220452417616/4646408-thorv208524.jpeg
Him beating those who sit above in shadows make him easily boundless /Tier 0
Let me lowball marvel Cosmology here, I won't include realms Transcending the marvel Multiverse like overspace and nexus of all realities here, since the marvel Multiverse is already outerversal (Proved above since 16th plane of reality is beyond the concepts of space time)
So marvel Multiverse is outerversal
The outside views marvel Multiverse as a mere illusion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832689426714329138/images_75.jpeg
Eternity embodies the outside
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832690182397493248/IMG_20210417_002312.jpg
Hence making eternity high outerversal
And those who sit above in shadow belong to a place where eternity won't long lost in, hence eternity being totally irrelevant to them
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832690747328954368/IMG_20210417_002455.jpg
Which makes those who sit in the shadows boundless
Which means Rune king thor is boundless aswell
Bur yet there are even more Boundless arguments for Rune king thor, of him scaling to god of stories loki.
King Loki is afraid of rune king thor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832670080999227422/IMG_20210416_230320.jpg
Those who sit above the shadows have no respect for god of stories loki
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832612670964105256/main-qimg-4cff694954a14bf2163a65f9322f658c.jpeg
Yet they respect rune king thor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832500309782822912/832612729411862538/main-qimg-a816c362984b827bea84315af70f1f69.jpeg
Also rune king thor oneshotted true yagdrassil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832692639299141662/main-qimg-aa69c4fc2c36949fa5f82390b04df800.jpeg
True yagdrassil is connected to TOAA's realm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832693018124615710/main-qimg-3283d1fdd4baebd8e1772f85b95caf4b_1.jpeg
TOAA'S realm is beyond those who sit above in shadows realm
Another boundless argument for RKT
However, since i agrued RKT scaling to god of stories loki , now to prove why god of stories loki is boundless
As the God of Stories, loki becomes the God of Creation of Stories
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832667178028367882/IMG_20210416_225149.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832667178443472936/IMG_20210416_225059.jpg
Loki and Verity talks about The Destruction of the omniverse and no matter how much it's is destroyed there will always be stories left
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832667637007384606/IMG_20210416_225332.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832667636700545064/IMG_20210416_225342.jpg
God of Stories Loki and Verity prepare for the new chapter opening in which God of Stories Loki starts in the New
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832667921620271154/IMG_20210416_225453.jpg
King Loki uses his power to one shot every Skyfather level beings which odin defends himself and Amara
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832668542708875304/IMG_20210416_225654.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832668543123193916/IMG_20210416_225716.jpg
God of Stories Loki then bleeds past King Loki collecting his staff and Loki make fun of King Loki who should know the next thing since he is future loki who should have been God of Stories at a point
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832669254859358208/IMG_20210416_225905.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832669255253884978/IMG_20210416_225916.jpg
King Loki wanted Joe's victory over anyone that threatens his ego because if he rejected his life that he has he always had but that's one fate he couldn't rewrite
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832669593557532762/IMG_20210416_230129.jpg
As the gods came King Loki fled from the comics to a place known as the outside he ran not because of fear but his narratively losing he can watch out everyone there except God of Stories Loki if he wanted to
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832669768153956472/IMG_20210416_230213.jpg
As God of Stories Loki decides not to take sides
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832670377623945326/IMG_20210416_230434.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832670378110746694/IMG_20210416_230426.jpg
Sealed the entirety of Asgard and Hel in a story sphere and teleports outside of reality, saving him and the two realms from the destruction of the multiverse by being the narrator as well as the writer at the same time switching between panels and creating dialogues of explainations as he saved the entirety of the infinite stories of the Gods
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832670754901458974/IMG_20210416_230543.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832670755392978955/IMG_20210416_230550.jpg
Those he sit behind the shadow who request for the stories to be fed on
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671062214180874/IMG_20210416_230719.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671062491660338/IMG_20210416_230711.jpg
And that Loki decides to tell them a story
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671475101204480/IMG_20210416_230833.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671475710427186/IMG_20210416_230842.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671804417376308/IMG_20210416_231007.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832671804887007322/IMG_20210416_231015.jpg
(Which implies god of stories loki is nigh omniscient)
And all God of Stories Loki had to do was excluded them from the story and they went back to where from
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832672403741868062/IMG_20210416_231156.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832672404148060190/IMG_20210416_231207.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832672404445593660/IMG_20210416_231216.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832672404765409280/IMG_20210416_231232.jpg
And as God of Stories Loki and King Loki spoke where loki end up saving the stories and this would make it consistent for secret wars for a reason and God of Stories walk out of comic book
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674441975824414/IMG_20210416_231858.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674442260906074/IMG_20210416_231913.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674442610081912/IMG_20210416_231937.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674442995433592/IMG_20210416_232013.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674443317870623/IMG_20210416_232025.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674443746082846/IMG_20210416_232035.jpg
So this makes god of stories loki metafictional
Hence Rune king thor is metafictional Aswell
And here's some more feats of god of stories loki
God of Stories Loki basically just created stories, ideas, books characters and all there is springs from the house of ideas and loki above it all
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832674728472215603/IMG_20210416_232153.jpg
As a result of striking up a deal with Now and Then within the House of Ideas, Loki gained the ability to turn into reality whichever story he could fabricate about the past by virtue of telling it, retroactively altering history so it happened While every person who strikes up a deal with Now and Then gain this ability, they also forget their visit to their House of Ideas
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832675409416945684/IMG_20210416_232326.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832675409912004608/IMG_20210416_232339.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832675410600919070/IMG_20210416_232402.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832675411103055902/IMG_20210416_232414.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832675411723943936/IMG_20210416_232426.jpg
And he beats them in that deal
Which is another boundless feat for god of stories loki since then and now are native to house of ideas
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832698285709590588/House_of_Ideas_from_Loki_Vol_3_2_001.jpg
And house of ideas is boundless
CONCLUSION: RKT (Lowballed) is boundless
And here's a fun fact: The multiversal yagdrassil (Not the true yagdrassil) was referred to as a quantum metaverse
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832666689064665148/832698841378586665/IMG_20210416_115539.jpg
Quantum Mechanics defines the Type 3 Multiverse, an infinite-dimensional Vector Space or what we call a Hilbert Space
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Level_III:_Many-worlds_interpretation_of_quantum_mechanics
Hence, the multiversal yagdrassil is actually high hyperversal
And here's ANOTHER boundless argument for rune king thor
The yagdrassil seed Stated to be beyond mathematics (Boundless)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832682934619078696/832699590595313664/IMG_20210417_010036.jpg
Which makes true yagdrassil boundless
And rune king thor oneshotted true yagdrassil
Well, that's it for today! See ya later, also some of the scans were sent by my friend simome campagna / Simone campoine (Great guy btw)
And RKT is boundless deal with it
Interesting.
He senses the narrative forming around him.
He can hear the reader breathe and hold the pages of the comic.
Grows stronger along with Mandrakk and will always match his opponents strength.
Let's Start with most popular scan of CAS
Though Robot hasn't holding limbo.
Nowhere does they says or depict he held Limbo.
But monitors said to superman that "you need to upgrade your 4 D vision" so he did same, he was visualising limbo
They Doesn’t even says he held it on his finger. People are taking the scan way out of context.
He was merely pointing at it and observing it.. it's clearly written “That’s how limbo looks from here, wherever here is”. He was looking at it from a higher perspective. There's nothing like holding, and why anyone hold limbo without any purpose? Nobody hold without purpose.
"CAS sense the readers"
Deadpool even know he is comic character and he is just made to entertain readers, so he does everything that will entertain us. Deadpool read his own comic and and teardown comic pages and then go back to back story and have conversation with himself, sometimes he tells recap by himself to remind story to readers, once he tells Bullseye that how many 'issues' came out. He talks to editors, he also enter in real world and kill some editors. Reed Richard also know he is comic character but he find out that when he meet Jack Kirby.
So if breaking 4th wall make anyone powerful then movie version Deadpool is more powerful than CAS. ("4th wall breaks inside a 4th wall breaks, that's like 16 wall")
He is not bigger than multiverse LOL
He is just bigger than Monitors who are same size of human.
He also loses against mandrakk
CAS was able to kill Madrakk in last only cause
Mandrakk lost focus, and grieved over the death of his lover and he fell into the Overvoid. Oh did i said "kill"? LOL CAS never killed Mandrakk.
Mandrak easily knocked him
"He got heat of 10 billion suns" which is not even Galaxy lvl even average Galaxy have more than 10 trillions suns and "blood of 52 universe" blood of 52 universes is nothing like power of 52 universes, it is just energy of orrery(a machine that can move entire solar system including sun)
Monitors explained that
Mandrakk even himself said "your cosmic armor is no match for my eternal power" which is true.
CAS was so helpless that's why he uses some kind of useless weapons which is look like useless.
And Mandrakk left him beyond repair
Madrakk return in the end of story, CAS not and TR is useless cause TR is just a robot who need driver and superman can't use it without ultraman
Both character have only one comic so you can't make them outerversal or nigh omni which is never been stated.
Both have no clear statements or feats.
Both are low multiversal (if not then universal)
Featwise they are more below.
Anyone see as germs when they visualising.
CAS views limbo as 2d (fiction) in superman beyond issue 2
Limbo lies beyond sphere of gods which was stated to be realm of archetypal forces (dreaming,silver city or similar realms that always existed and conceptual in nature)
^^Limbo is where writers send the charecters which are written out of canon.
Also Overvoid was terrified of cas and was completely defenseless against the story of cas
"With no precedent for the concept of story,No understanding of the damage story,might do an immense without limits or definition,Monitor has zero defenses!"
Not to mention that overvoid has infinite intelligence.
Cause he have only one cameo. I need to think about this one. He should be more powerful than i thought.
Thank you.
Rune King Thor erase mangog. Actually he didn't erase him, he just turn him into air (or maybe bottled him).
"Well, I know a spell to catch a witch and turn hir into the wind...and i know a spell to bottle this being and empty this bottle as well"
Rune King Thor didn't defeat Those Who Sit Above in Shadow neither he destroy yaggdrasil, he just cuts the loom of fate, a rope.
Rune King Thor defeated THOSE WHO SIT ABOVE IN SHADOW by using his wisdom, not strength. It's just like batman defeated superman using kryptonite
Destroying yggdrasill is nothing, yggdrasill is just connection between 9 realm. And he also didn't destroy yggdrasill, he cut the loom of fate which also destroyed yggdrasill, that mean he cut the connection between nine realm.
Yggdrasil is simply a structure. A structure within the universe.
Odin made a claim that Asgard was a universe in itself, in the past. But all of that has been debunked so many times so i think i don't need to explain that.
If really realms are universes then marvel universe is so small.
The nine realms to which Yggdrasil is linked to refers to nine special worlds (planets).
There was even a kind of map given about it.
This is Asgard, And the nine realms.
You can see that Asgard is even given a scale of size. its actually smaller than a planet.
Still you can see the several lands that make up Asgard.and this was again shown when Thor became RKT.
you can see in the map,
nine realms are simply special nine planets/worlds.
Destroying yaggdrasil is just a destroying connection between those 9/10 realms, it's nothing like destroying universe, any universal being can destroy universe.
The Sisters of Fate said “You have no power here” to Thor. And he even agrees saying that “It is true.”
Thor admitsed that he can't change what had already been written by the Fates.
Thor just points out that the way to ending Ragnorak is just by destroying loom of fate that’s behind the Tapestry Records which would also end THOSE WHO SIT ABOVE IN SHADOW.
Even after gaining Omniscient he still didn’t know how to defeat TWSAIS without knowledge of the future. The Odin Force tells Thor “for that knowing you must seek the future, you must seek the magic of the Runes.”
And it is clearly stated Those Who Sit Above in Shadow were Celestial being. But really ? Every Celestial have their own job to do, why they have none? They can't be celestial. And gods, Elder gods have their own origin. So what are they ?
Loki himself already theorized that TWSAIS, were actually created through the worship of the Asgardians themselves. they made TWSAIS become real by their worships.
Gods of men made by men then gods of gods made by gods
If you know the origins of gods and Elder gods then i don't need to explain what is it. Gods where made by worship of man because human have energy of Elder gods(long story, if you don't know then you need to read history of gods, elder gods) so if human stops worshipping gods then god wouldn't exist anymore it is also stated in 'Thor rebirth'
"And he merged with universe" LOL that was just a respect thread,actually he died, he even confirmed himself saying "and we no more" and born as Donal Blake
I see some people saying TWSAIS outerversal cause they exist in Oblivion/outside
If they were outerversal then why they need to feed on life energies of Asgardians? Why they even need to feed ? LOL
If they are outerversal just because they exist on oblivion then Captain America exist inside Eternity so that mean Captain America multiversal ? LMFAO
And most important thing is TWSAIS are featless, and Thor didn't defeat them directly
Fighting feats not really matter mostly when they didn't even defeated them directly, Star Brand killed beyonder that doesn't mean He is above Beyonder.
CAS had a very bad time with Mandrakk who is barely a high Multiversal level and is almost consumed by the Overvoid, there his supposed "plot manipulation" about beings/stories superior to his tier is denied.
Kill me
1. Literally I've just argued you with scans the level that RKT reaches based on facts and logical structures but the only thing you answer with is the same as before using different words lmfao, you can see your lack of knowledge for this type of thing.
2. I have noticed that you have been voting against RKT in various battles even where he's clearly superior, that leads me to the following conclusions:
a) You are very biased with those you voted for
b) You hate RKT a lot for some reason and that's why you always vote against him
c) You know absolutely nothing about the character and apparently you haven't opened a comic book.
Whatever the correct conclusion, they all frown on you.
Let me explain
Sphere of gods contains realms that transcends the concept of dimensions,dreaming where dream of the endless rules was stated to be beyond dualities,silver city where the angels are multiple times above 1A
Limbo transcends sphere of gods to a platonic level,it is the last manifestation of existance in dc,it is the meta retcon realm of the verse where charecters are left to be forgotten to an level so high that they get deleted from fiction.
CAS views limbo as flat 2d,
Mandrakk on the other hand is the first being to exist in dc,before presence lucifer source there was dax novu floating in the overvoid,he was created by the overvoid to contain the flaw.
Dax novu after he discovered the bleed which directly comes from overvoid penetrates the source wall from 4 points (silver city,hell,skyland and underworld) it feeds the verse with stories and concepts like your blood feeds your cells with oxygen,Bleed also containst the hypertime which contains every dc canon timeline,Mandrakk held the dc you know in a jar,and CAS was able to beat him,they also have plot manipulation,Mandrakk for example rewrite the story to end with his victory (it is seen in limbo)
he assambled the story to kill CAS and he resisted it,throwed him to overvoid,and overvoid destroyed the idea of mandrakk existing (which was said but isn't really true since mandrakk survived) they also have infinite adaptation to any future threat,they transcended each other in their fight multiple times
GG Cas blinks this fodder.
look at this for more info
CAS>>>Limbo>>>Sphere of gods (multiple layered 1A conceptual construct)
GG
@Michaeldem17 In my imagination ehole dc got fodderized😊
CKT beats both and RKT slaps CKT
And Black Winter ate all of DC then got one hit by CKT so unless CAS just gonna stand by and watch his universe die everyone in DC died and was fed to Black Winter. RKT stomps CAS plot can't save him as RKT lives outside of it
i want to have your opinion
I was shown this by Emptyhand.
And to this My opinion is that the house of ideas first appeared In 2019 but RKT events took place in 1998. 20 years ago. I don't think the writers planned that out. It turned out this way. And back then from what I think TWSAIS shadow only fed on the infinity cycles of ragnarok. Not other stories. And RKT thought and even TWSAIS thought that RKT can kill them by cutting the string. But it didn't . Maybe after going to oblivion they found out that they don't specifically need the ragnarok to survive. They can feed on other stories as well. And the weird thing is how does a universal being such as thor just by getting the Odin force and rune magic and some other magical powers become outerversal??
He hasn't done anything outerversal.
Check this
https://www.quora.com/Is-Rune-King-Thor-multiversal-him-destroying-yggdrasil-Can-he-beat-Adult-Franklin-Richards-or-Fully-fed-Galactus
If you compare him to some other characters such as Thanos (HOTU). Even hotu has shown higher power than him. If he was so powerful why didn't he just teleport to the three norms and cut the loom of fate. Why all the side planning. And again he didn't defeat TWSAIS directly. He cut their food supply which he thought would kill them. But it didn't. I believe after that TWSAIS started feeding on the Stories of House Of Ideas. And him destroying yggdrasil means nothing above galactic. It was just a structure that connected 9 realms not universes. That's weird.
I think TWSAIS were universal level before RKT sent them to oblivion. After going to oblivion they became outerversal as they started feeding on the stories of the HOI.
This is an Edit :
The house of ideas stores all the stories of marvel. And if RKT cut them off of that then they couldn't have survived. Because they wouldn't have had any stories to feed on. But they survived . That would mean thor only cut them off of ragnarok and sent them to oblivion. And the HOI and the Loom of Fate are different. The HOI is one of the highest ranking places of marvel. And The Three norms and the loom of fate should just be a story that is in the HOI.
but can you tell me a good reason for that ?
2. None of those characters are omniversal.
3. He didn't beat most of them.
2. yes they are
3. all of TWSAIS were there
The things that CAS did such as resisting plot manipulation sounds a lot more impressive than anything the sad excuses of things you guys call "feats" this version of Thor has done. With all the downvotes you got for your comments, it's really no wonder why you didn't "slap" as you claim you did. You either stop ducking or you provide some actual feats of RKT, you rat!
and anyways imagine being so butthurt you keep going on about that old debate which you clearly lost on, by the words of other people
also imagine telling me that scaling much higher doesn't equal a wincon, which it very much does, also TWSAIS >>> Any incarnation of ME, 10th/8th incarnation>>>CAS, nothing CAS has done puts them on the level of multi eternity tiers
The words of other people also completely disagree with you on you slapping in that debate, so imagine thinking you won when others say otherwise, you blind ignoramus.
Aw great, here we go again with the Multi-Eternity BS when I clearly asked you for the last time for some ACTUAL FEATS OF RKT DOING SOMETHING MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN CAS. Seriously, it's no wonder you couldn't scale RKT any higher with all that.
How many people disagree? i'd love you to name anyone besides @Tyrannus who thinks you even made a scratch in that debate
keep on crying about the debate, which means you're a sore loser, or prove being more powerful isn't a wincon
Only two people agreed with you and two have agreed with me on this site. And @Incognito was also one of them.
You're just being a fanboy who can't provide any evidence for why a certain character would win. You're giving @sora a bad name.
Now that I think about it its only you and @Lucifer who's still trying to keep forcing RKT on us. RKT's old news now. The latest trend seems to be Scarlet Witch for some reason.
5 people agreed with me, incognito was neutral iirc
Yet i provided evidence, you'd call anyone a bad debater even if they gave proof of it, i actually provide a ton of scans for a lot of topics, oh and I'm not the one against sora here, sora actually is cool with me currently, even tho i rarely talk to him
@Tyrannus you realize nothing he said proved anything against what i said right? and the fact he legit also resorts to insults quite a bit of the time shows a contradiction to what you're saying, also it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with someones claim, that ain't how judging a debate works, the way it works is by seeing if they truly made better arguments and holy joe failed to make better arguments, he actually provided a multitude of scans that all didn't prove anything for the spectre in that debate if you payed attention, and I'm not forcing RKT on you its actually mainly us getting called out for giving RKT hype
What f***ing evidence? Show me at least one instance where you provided a feat of RKT doing anything more impressive than CAS:
- Fighting back against a self-assembling hyper story trying to kill him.
- Being half of the extension of Monitor-Mind the Overvoid, bigger than the Monitors, and is as strong as he needs to be in order to save the day.
- Holding and perceiving Limbo in his fingertips.
- Adapting instantly to counter any threat.
- Feel and hear the reader breathing.
- Residing within The Monitor Sphere, the most primal and fundamental dimension in Grant Morrison's DC Cosmology filled with pure thoughts and concepts.
- Transcending the standard spatio-temporal flow that is contained within The Multiverse.
- Clashing with Mandrakk and causing the entire Monitor Sphere to crumble into nonexistence.
You literally could've used any other feat such like the time RKT used rune magic to erase Mangog from existence to counter everything CAS did. But apparently, all you did was high-ball is cycle-breaking feat with your idiotic butt-buddy of a friend.
I wasn't trying to involve myself in that other debate, but I was on @HolyJoe side that time. Debating people on this site is like pulling teeth, it's f**king exhausting. Spectre is more powerful in my eyes. So I was backing Spectre from the shadows.
I just don't get you sometimes. You go through these phases where you just highball the everloving crap out of a certain character (Reg Thanos) and then just stop all of a sudden. Why?
You're telling me I fanboy DC? Haven't heard that one before. While it's true that I vote DC more often, it's because their characters are generally more powerful. Idk why that's so hard for some people to grasp. I have voted against DC numerous times, just not as frequent because of how they write their characters. Plus, this site is packed full of Marvel fans, so I try to balance it out if I can. You're better than this dude.
By showing evidence of him scaling above CAS, since he scales way beyond multi eternity who should body slam CAS
"First off rune king thor scales to TWSAIS, he could put fear into them, break their cycle etc, Now lets get onto TWSAIS scaling Multi eternity embodies infinite levels of a boundless multiverse, he encompasses the superflow which contains the living tribunal's true form, he is only visible from the outside which transcends all levels of reality is beyond the neutral zone which is beyond the superflow the neutral zone is also within multi eternity and is where the most elderly concepts reside in, the outside is beyond the far shore which transcends the neutral zone, the outside is also outside of eternities influence, Oblivion is beyond all that and transcends the outside, TWSAIS didn't give a sh*t about multi eternity collapsing and are the gods of oblivion, they exist in oblivion, they will bring cosmic oblivion, they feed off of the concept of stories etc"
Also Yggrasil was destroyed by RKT yggdrasil encompasses the living tribunal meaning it would surpass LT tier beings which is already above CAS. Cas couldn't beat mandrakk all he could do is banish him since he is no match for his eternal power and i could get more into detail why mandrakk was above CAS such as him having help from the overvoid but besides that.
- Prove thats on par with multi eternity tiers
- That's just the overvoid percieving creation for the first time, and it saw a flaw inside creation known as the concept "stories" and seeled the most powerful one with divine metals
- 4th wall breaking is fodder as f*ck
- the monitor sphere is nothing to even the source which is nothing to multi eternity
- The multiverse as in the orrery of worlds which is the lowest point in the multiverses cosmology
- So they're source wall tier, gotcha
the one crying here is you and i've provided way more evidence than the wiki user you are, you're the duckfuck here, also how the living f*ck is beating mangog on par with cas? also i was afk cause i was hanging out with my friend
Lol. Not at all what I meant, but nice job making an ass out of yourself after assuming.
"the one crying here is you and i've provided way more evidence than the wiki user you are, you're the duckfuck here"
How unoriginal of an insult. That duckfuck and wiki user thing is so uncreative it couldn't bring a child's spirit down. Imagine thinking you "provided way more evidence" than me when you only provided one scan of RKT.
"So they're source wall tier, gotcha"
Thanks for admitting that CAS and Mandrakk were outerversal. Perhaps you would like a reminder that the Source Wall basically holds all of DC together on the Overvoid.
"4th wall breaking is fodder as f*ck"
Based on what? Anybody with the ability to break the 4th wall can affect the "real world", which includes interacting with the viewers, rewording speech bubbles, and even entering the real world. Pretty much a powerful ability to have if you ask me.
"First off rune king thor scales to TWSAIS, he could put fear into them, break their cycle etc"+
Still using that feat again, I see, especially after you admitted and provided that RKT never defeated them.
So, how exactly can you say he scales to them?
"TWSAIS didn't give a sh*t about multi eternity collapsing and are the gods of oblivion, they exist in oblivion, they will bring cosmic oblivion, they feed off of the concept of stories etc"
Cool. Should I also mention to you that Mandrakk eats stories?
@Mr_Incognito The thing I like about this site is that while there are a few biased fans, they tend to get counter balanced or shown up in what they say. The cream always rises to the top.
non-existence hahahaha
Rune King wins?
- Fought back against a self-assembling hyper story trying to kill him.
- Is half of the extension of Monitor-Mind the Overvoid, bigger than the Monitors, and is as strong as he needs to be in order to save the day.
- Held and perceived Limbo in his fingertips.
- Adapts instantly to counter any threat.
- Can feel and hear the reader breathing.
- Resides within The Monitor Sphere, the most primal and fundamental dimension in Grant Morrison's DC Cosmology filled with pure thoughts and concepts.
- Transcends the standard spatio-temporal flow that is contained within The Multiverse.
- Clashed with Mandrakk and caused the entire Monitor Sphere to crumble into nonexistence.
So, @Empty, before you reiterate that I can't prove you wrong, do you still think Rune King Thor beats Cosmic Armor Superman, or did the feats I listed out persuade you?
Rkt slaps
Any proof, @Clint, or are you just gonna throw quips like that at us?
I wasn't bothering you or was I?
And become friends again it is easy to do