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Luke Skywalker Cudos for you figuring it out. You can always swap sides if you know how.
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Luke Skywalker "The Empire Strikes Back"
It's about the side you choose.
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Luke Skywalker It's in here somewhere:
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Luke Skywalker Welcome to the dark side...
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Luke Skywalker I guess 69 of you brainless clowns never seen ROTJ 🤡🤡🤡
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Darth Vader Vader is a softy for his son. That's why he cut his hand off.
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Luke Skywalker Vader will be conflicted. It's in Luke's favor.
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Luke Skywalker I'm sorry as much as I love Anakin/Vader, George Lucas said Luke wins as early as RotJ, and this is pre Dark Empire Luke who is much stronger.

1: Star Wars Beware of the Sith says:
Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.

2; Star Wars Jedi Battles says:
Father and son were now equally strong with the Force and equally skilled with their lightsabers. But this battle was more than just physical strength and Force powers.

3: the freaking RotJ script says:
Luke and Vader are engaged in a man-to-man duel of lightsabers even more vicious than the battle on Bespin. But the young Jedi has grown stronger in the interim, and now the advantage shifts to him. Vader is forced back, losing his balance, and is knocked down the stairs. Luke stands at the top of the stairs, ready to attack.

4: RotJ junior novelization says:
On the Death Star, Luke and Darth Vader were engaged in a duel that was even more vicious than their battle on Cloud City. Luke had grown stronger since their last encounter, and his skill with his lightsaber had improved greatly. As they swung at each other in the Emperor's throne room, Luke sensed the advantage had shifted to him.

5: RotJ novel says:
For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge.

6: Old RotJ comic wrote:
On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man. But unlike the first time they dueled in the carbon-freezing chamber of Bespin's Cloud City, this is a battle of equals. The young Jedi has grown in the interim, and if there is any true advantage, it seems to have shifted to him.

7: Star Wars Power of the Myth wrote:
"Before he can make peace with his father, Luke must prove that he is a match for him in strength and character."

8: Star Wars Art Treasures says:
Vader forces Luke to defend himself. Having completed his training as a Jedi Knight, Luke's powers now already rival his father's, but despite that he refuses to go into attack and deactivates his lightsaber.

9: Star Wars Return of the Jedi Storybook says:
Luke's powers were just as strong as his father's now, and just as deadly.

10 George Lucas Star Wars Featurette Birth of the Lightsaber says:
"And then as we go on into the next fight, it becomes more of an equal confrontation."

11: And the RotJ novel and the Ultimate Guide say "Vader pressed the attack at every turn, but Luke held back." And "Vader was shocked at Luke's "EQUAL STRENGTH TO HIS OWN" (Vader was going all out as Luke held back)

12: this is a statment from Luke Skywalker himself https://servimg.com/view/20069174/318 or shall I call him Mark Hamil

13: The Ultimate Star Wars Encyclopedia also says Luke "surpassed" Vader.

I still think Anakin and Obi Wan beat Luke because they have better feats than the sloth.
EmptyHand
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Luke Skywalker Luke Skywalker was the one who took down abeloth in the end, and without much training blew up Darth Vader, sorry but yes Luke wins
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Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker There was heavy context involved for his fight with Vader, if you actually read the books And analyze the fight you'd know Vader is far superior to Luke with Luke not even being more than a nuisance until Dark Empire. As for the Abeloth thing: Luke had a crap tone of help for that, had to become The Force itself to accomplish it, and that was an Avatar Abeloth, besides this is Pre Dark Empire Luke, not parody Luke
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Do you still not understand that that's not how you use the word parody? The definition of parody is:

"an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect"

No canonical version of Luke in the EU is any of that.
DarthNihilus003
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Darth Vader Sorry but this is Return of the Jedi era Luke.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Even though it's RotJ Luke, he's still stated as equal to Vader.
DarthNihilus003
DarthNihilus003 1 y 3 mo 18 h 34 m
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Darth Vader Vader could kill Luke in 5 seconds if he was trying.
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Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker ^^^ 🙄 ^^^

And that's all the weaker and crippled vessel, imagine what unburned Anakin would have done 🤔
DarthNihilus003
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Darth Vader @Dark_Wing
He could have killed Luke in 2 seconds.
HeroicSacrifice123
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Darth Vader Luke only won in Return of the Jedi because of an amp from the dark side. Not his normal strength. Vader is much stronger otherwise.
DJ_MARSHMELLO
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Darth Vader I'd say Vader because it seemed like when he lost he was holding back and also in the books Boba beat luke every time and he fights Vader twice both times a tie if Boba tied with Vader and beat luke there u go Vader wins
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WARMACHINEROX170944 1 y 9 mo 23 h 34 m
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Luke Skywalker He wouldn't try to kill his son.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker FINALLY! The lore of Star Wars has been understood. Vader has beaten Luke in almost ever fight they've had other than RotJ.
Oblivion
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Darth Vader İf Vader ment to kill Luke he would force Choke him easily lol
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Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Another person excepts the lore of Star Wars rather than being blinded by a teenaged crush on Luke.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Lol, you are still so salty on the fact that Luke beats Anakin, get over it my g.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Why did you change your vote?
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Cause I never changed it from when this was GM Luke. Duh.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Luke was only beating Vader through a Dark Side amp something he won't have in this fight even a suppressed Vader who was probably only using half his power had that advantages during most of that fight.
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Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Why didn't you?
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Cause I never thought to...?
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Also you have no proof Vader was using less than half his power against Luke.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Makes sense. BTW in Lords Of The Sith Vader explicitly states that Palpatine was holding back in order to test him, so that Twi-lek feat means absolutely nothing, Vader is still slow as c.r.a.p and that's another reason Luke beat him.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Proof: Vader wasn't using any force powers just to remind you The Force is Vader's true strength not a lightsaber, Vader was never using offensive of attacks, Vader was using Dun-Moch rather than mindraping Luke.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 9 mo 21 d
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Darth Vader Vader is easily MFTL+ and has displayed several feats of agility and speed, he is in no way slow.
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Darth Vader That's not proof, actually give evidence that Vader was using less than half. If you can't provide anything that says he was using less than half, you're just making stuff up.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker *note how I said "PROBABLY" and how I said "he was using half his power." All Force users are FTL heck Ezra Bridger can defect blaster bolts implying he's FTL so why wouldn't Vader also be MFTL? When I said "slow as c.r.a.p I meant for a Force user of his level remember Ahsoka can press a speed advantage against him and she's far beneath Vader's level. The Emperor considered Luke a threat so he's also MFTL just like all mid to high tier Force users are.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader "Last edited: 5 min ago"
> Yeah, I bet you thought you were slick with that one.
Doesn't change the fact that absolutely nothing says Vader was only using half of his power, so you're just making up numbers to lowball Luke. And good job, you just gave more proof of Luke being far stronger than you lowball him to, as Sidious considered him a threat. Also Vader was on par with Ahsoka in speed throughout that entire fight, so that means nothing. And that was Pre-ANH Vader, not RotJ Vader, who is the one you called slow.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker > I fixed some grammar on that comment. Absolutely nothing says how much he was holding back but since a lot of sources state that he wasn't fighting at his full power and he never used more powerful abilities. How much power do you think Vader was holding back? Palpatine considers a lot of Jedi threats so that statement doesn't mean much. If Vader was on par with her then how was she jumping around him and putting him on the defensive. RotJ Vader still has less speed than people like Mace, prime Kenobi, and RotS Anakin and Luke's fast enough to tag Yoda in a sparing match (to be fair it was a sparing match) _Luke Skywalker and the Treasures of the Dragonsnake which means he's decently fast. And yes I called Vader slow because as far as I know he didn't double in power between his fight with Ahsoka and his fight with Luke, Vader's always has less speed than Anakin and Luke has similar speed to Anakin, couple that in with all the other circumstances and it's clear that Luke beating Vader made perfect sense.

Before you accuse me of lowballing Luke just remember I'm currently doing research on Luke's scaling and I know a LOT more than I did the last time we debated.
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader So you conceded that you were just making up how much Vader was holding back, so you could lowball Luke, good job. Vader was clearly trying against Luke, so he was certainly using over half of his power. Vader is on par with her in speed because he was keeping up with her during the fight. Jumping around someone doesn't mean you're faster than them, by that logic Ataru users would be faster then everyone else. RotJ Vader is very much faster than RotS Anakin, unless you think RotS Anakin is more than 80% of Sidious in speed. So no, Vader is not slow in any way, especially when the one feat you have to try and lowball Vader's speed is Pre-ANH Vader, not RotJ Vader. And really, all you're doing is helping the fact that Luke > Anakin.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker *making numbers up based on evidence. Ataru is usually the fastest form though (keyword "usually") Vader is 80 precent the Emperor's POWER not speed. Another instance of Vader's limits when it comes to speed is in the canon Vader comics by marvel issue 4 or five I can't really remember, Vader was outpaced by one of Dr Cylo's cyborgs and only survived because another one killed the cyborg that was about to kill Vader, and in another instance in Darth Vader Down Vader fights this robot with four arms kinda like Grievous but weaker, during the fight Vader is forced on the defensive and gets several kicks landed on him before he uses The Force to stop him. Both of those instances were between ANH and ESB in case you were wondering. I said luke was COMPARABLE to Anakin and Obi-Wan I never said he was on par with them so please stop changing what I said. And one more think Luke > Anakin (or Anakin > Luke) is an OPTION not a fact.
LordTracer
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Darth Vader Making up numbers based on headcanon, because you've given absolutely nothing to support these random numbers you come up with to lowball.

Vader is just 80% of Sidious. Lucas didn't say 80% of Sidious' power, he just said 80% of Sidious.

Once again you use pre-prime Vader feats in a failed attempt to lowball RotJ Vader's speed.

I merely pointed out that you're helping the argument that Luke > Anakin, I'm not changing anything you said.

And no, it's not an opinion, it's a CLAIM. A claim that I've proven on numerous occasions.
Dark_Wing
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Luke Skywalker Definition of headcanon: "a fan's personal, idiosyncratic interpretation of canon"

Oops. But anyways you still haven't answered one question, how much power do you think Vader was holding back in his fight with Luke in RotJ?

Where did he say "Vader is 80 precent of Palpatine"

Full prime Vader doesn't have any feats outside of losing to Luke unless we're going by what Dave Filoni said on Rebels Recon.

No mater who wins Anakin vs Luke is NOT "an unholy godstomps" like I used to call it a few months ago and it could go either way (assuming this is RotS Anakin and TTT Luke).

Uh, okay.

One more thing, Vader did not intend to hurt his son, mearly force him into submission and make him join the Dark Side _Star Wars Fact Files 17 maybe more proof that Luke doesn't scale to Vader without an amp and other circumstances?
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader Yes, which is exactly what these percentages you're making up are.

I did answer this, I literally said; "Vader was clearly trying against Luke, so he was certainly using over half of his power."

Star Wars: The Last Battle, Vanity Fair Magazine, 2005, George Lucas said, and I quote; "Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful," he says. "But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there's not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he's maybe 20 percent less than him." He said twenty percent less. Not twenty percent less powerful, just twenty percent less.

And? RotJ Vader is still 80% of Sidious, and is far superior to his ANH and TESB counterparts, you can't use those feats to lowball him.

Literally nobody said it was a stomp, though I am perfectly capable of arguing that it is one.

Irrelevant, to force someone into submission would be to defeat them, and it's been proven that Vader was trying against Luke, Luke clearly scales to Vader. Even lowballed, he still loosely scales.
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Luke Skywalker Sorry for the late reply, I had real life problems. Anakin is on the same level as Mace Windu who was ON PAR with Palpatine in speed. Palpatine did not "throw the fight to turn Anakin" both the George Lucas commentary on RotS and the RotS novel prove that Palpatine didn't throw the fight and just think for a second for all Palpatine knew he could have been killed just to remind you he was being held at arms length by a blade of plasma wielded by one of the most powerful Jedi of the Clone Wars era. The RotS novel also states Anakin was the greatest Jedi within the last thousand years, ie the writer making a continuous choice to put Anakin above yoda and Mace Windu. Dooku calls Anakin the best duelist he's ever seen in the RotS novel remember Dooku has fought Yoda at least twice once in AoTC and another in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. The writers are saying Anakin's on the same level as people like Yoda and Mace who are > a conflicted suppressed Vader. By that logic Luke is on the level of threatening Palpatine level Force users on very specific circumstances while RotS Anakin is on the level of threatening them at his norm.

"RotS Vader is far above ESB Vader you can't use those feats to lowball him" ARE YOU SERIOUSLY IMLYING THAT VADER MAGICALLY LEVLED UP AFTER ESB!?! How did he level up? Did he buy the EA Vader DLC lol? Yes I can use those feats to PROVE that Vader is NOT 80 precent as fast as Palpatine.

Uh yeah I'm gonna need a scan of that magazine but until then here's my rebuttal to that: Vader wasn't just holding back because he wanted to turn Luke to the Dark Side but he was also very conflicted and really didn't know what to do. To explain think of yourself as Vader, you've been in a painful suit that made you a slave to the Dark Side, you're Master is a j.e.r.k who ruthlessly punishes you when you fail him, you've been suffering so much since you've burnt of Mustafar and Luke is offering you a chance to finally be free but your mast has forced you to fight Luke to the death, now you're fighting Luke who is at least 10 times stronger than he was the last time you two fought and he can match your physical strength. You can't kill Luke because that would seal your fate to the Dark Side, he's strong enough that you can't just one shot him. And even if you did defeat him what do you do to him? Palpatine would likely torture Luke like he did in the movie or he'll kill him. So yeah if you were Vader what would you do in that circumstance?

Because of how conflicted Vader was he couldn't fight Luke at full power nor did he want to. He was also weakened because he didn't have the same control over the Dark Side that he used to (meaning RotJ isn't Vader's prime) That's why I said "he was probably only using half of his full power" (keyword "probably"). Oh, and it was also stated in the novel that The Force was literally on Luke's side amping him meaning that Luke was amped by it while Vader was weakened by two things and holding back willfully because he didn't know what he truly wanted, even then a heavily suppressed and weakened Vader forced an amped Luke to run and hide with Luke only winning because he caught Vader off guard with the Dark Side amp (Vader wasn't expecting him to power up like that) and blitzed Darth Sloth (something Anakin could also do) that's why he never got a chance to turn the fight in his favor despite clearly being strong enough to do that, meaning Luke only won via speed and the Element of surprise, speed, plus a whole lot of context, without it he wouldn't have been able to even come close to even matching Vader; so no Luke doesn't scale to Darth Sloth, Vader is only a few pegs above Dooku, and who beat a going all out Dooku with casual ease without amps? That's right Anakin Skywalker! Anakin scales way above Dooku because of how easily he took him down while Luke doesn't even scale to Vader at all! Anakin > Vader => Dooku >>> Luke. That was all without the Dark Side, imagine Anakin (the superior between him and Vader) with the Dark Side!
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LordTracer
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Darth Vader Literally nobody said Sidious threw the fight, the hell are you on? Anakin is not above either Yoda or Windu, he is at best equal to Windu (who Vader surpassed). Base Luke was threatening Sidious, not amped Luke, so again, more assistance towards the point that Luke is easily on the level of the top tier Clone Wars era Jedi. And the fact that Luke was keeping up with a suppressed RotJ Vader (who was very clearly trying), who is superior to Anakin in his prime, again shows that Luke > Anakin.

You do realize there's a whole ass year in between TESB and RotJ, right? It is perfectly logical (and factual) that Vader became much stronger. Also none of the feats you gave were actually TESB Vader. You can't use those feats because they aren't RotJ Vader, try again.

Yes, quoting what I said continues to prove that Vader was trying to defeat Luke and was unable to do so.

I gave the exact magazine and the exact quote, the hell? Go read it yourself. Also your point of what Vader would do ignores the fact that Sidious wanted Luke to take Vader's place, so your entire ultimatum is faulty and inapplicable.

You still have no actual evidence supporting he was only using half. If he was only using half, he would have been twice as powerful as Luke, which is completely nonsensical and unfounded. Meanwhile the actual fight itself, and pretty much all material that associates with it implies Vader is absolutely trying against Luke, and he would therefore have to be using over half his power.
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Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker You yourself said "Palpatine threw the fight with Mace to turn Anakin." https://www.superherodb.com/mace-windu-vs-luke-skywalker/90-6481/, I debunked that point before you would try to say "pAlPaTiNe tReW tHe fIgHt tO TuRn aNaKiN" i agree he isn't Yoda level without the Dark Side, I only brought up the point from the RotS novel to prove that Anakin at his norm is comparable to people like Yoda (keyword being comparable). "Vader has surpassed Windu" prove it, I've already proven Mace is equal to Palpatine, Palpatine didn't throw the fight, and Vader is only 80 percent as powerful as Palpatine. *Base Luke's potential was what was threatening Palpatine he said that Luke was potentially more powerful than Vader (to be fair he was comparing Luke's potential to burnt suited Vader not prime Anakin) and even if it's not the case Palpatine has been threatened by people who are MUCH weaker than Luke or Anakin on multiple occasions like in Rebels where he sees Ahsoka as a threat or in TFU he saw Galen Marek as a threat. I never said Luke wouldn't of been a high tier Jedi during the Clone Wars, did I?

You do realize Vader's been an active Sith enforcer for over 23 years BEFORE ESB and a Jedi for 15 years before that? Vader would have been nearing his prime by the time of ESB, you can't just assume he's magically leveled up by RotJ just to prove a point from a magazine that literally nobody reads just to overrate Vader unless you can explain how he magically leveled up between the ESB and RotJ. Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know states vader is the best duelist of the era; dose that mean he's 80 precent of Palpatine's swordsman skills? Vader is also physically superior to the emperor in terms of strength and durability based on feats meaning he's not 80 precent of him there. Come on dose an author have to hold your hand And explain everything in perfect detail to prevent you from twisting their quotes? If you want to [email protected] Vader with this then we also have to remember that Anakin bodied Dooku when Yoda failed TWICE meaning he's either a lot faster than Yoda or a much better swordsman than him. Vader Has been described as a shell of his former self at least three times, FACTS! Stop Denying them, he's nowhere near Palps in speed or agility.

"Palpatine wanted Luke to take Vader's place, so your entire ultimatum is faulty and inapplicable." If Luke took Palpatine's place that would mean he would have killed Vader which is something Vader obviously didn't want to have happen.

Please note that I said "that's why I said he was probably only using half his power." Scroll up and read that comment again I promise you I won't edit it.

Three more things that I haven't mentioned yet 1: fighting someone whose holding back isn't at all similar to fighting someone whose going all out and trying to kill you like Anakin would be. And 2: Anakin and Vader fight like two completely deferent people, just because you've defeated one of them doesn't mean you can defeat the other regardless of what scaling says; I know that's a very hard idea to grasp by a Dragon Ball fan because the DB characters have very similar fighting styles and abilities but it's factual. 3: One thing that power scaling doesn't acknowledge is how B character beat A character, like what if A character used speed, intelligence, skill, or if A character was holding back. This is relevant because Luke could very easily speed blitz a weakened Darth Sloth while The Force was on his side based on his feats of speed so now imagine how fast RotJ Luke with a Dark Side amp could be especially when compared to a clunky and relatively slow Vader. Also snce I don't feel like repeating myself, to look at my last comments to see even more context to prove Luke isn't Vader level.
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 2 mo 8 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker Dang it, I deleted my second part of this comment. Without further to do here it is:

Luke's Vader fight is so contextual it's almost unusable.

Luke's contextual advantages:
1: the Force was literally on his side willing him to win as stated in the RotJ novel.
2: Luke was Vader's son and because of that Vader couldn't bring himself to hurt him.
3: there was a full year between ESB and RotJ in which Luke did nothing else but meditate, self train, prefect everything Kenobi and Yoda had told him, as well as prepare for a rematch with the Dark Lord with counters to his fighting style as well as press his own advantages. If we assume he trained for 16 hours a day like he did with Yoda then he would have trained for 5840 hours (yes I did the math) at LEAST, and there was likely a bit more time (like a few weeks or months) between the two movies meaning Luke could have had more time to prep. This makes sense because of the article in Fightsaber which states the fallowing and I quote her " an observing Jedi Master will be astonished by Luke's instantaneous ability to adapt." This means if Luke were to come up against someone who's fighting style was nothing like the slow but powerful straightforward Vader then Luke would struggle a lot more and would likely lose even if that duelist isn't nearly as skilled or powerful as Vader. Luke ain't a good warrior, he's just a weapon designed to fight Vader and only Vader (this was literally stated in the Courtship of Princess Leia). Because of this, Luke knew Vader's fighting style while Vader himself has never seen anything quite like Luke's style.

Vader's contextual disadvantages:

1: Vader was heavily conflicted which means he couldn't focus properly and hindered his ability to use the Force through emotion which is essential to being a Sith or a Jedi. Which weakens him even more.
2: because of Vader's conflict, he held way back which is stated in Star Wars Fact Files 17 where it's said he didn't want to hurt his son merely force him into submission and make him turn to the Dark Side however he also didn't want that because he was conflicted and didn't really know what he wanted.
3: while Luke had done nothing else but prepare, Vader on the other hand had no reason to prepare since he prior bodied Luke forcing him to flee for his life and wasn't expecting his son to have much improvement which is said in the RotJ novel.

Despite all this, Vader still disarmed Luke of his lightsaber and forced him to hide making him far superior to Luke even in this unfair context which means if the fight was truly 50/50, Vader would have effortlessly destroyed Luke even quicker than Kenobi destroyed Maul in Rebels or quicker than Anakin killed the younglings during Order 66.

"bUt wHy dId VadEt lOsE tHe fIgHt" you ask. It's because Luke only beat Vader because he was enraged beyond belief because Vader threatened Leia and used the Dark Side to an even greater effect than he otherwise ever could have. This use of the Dark Side caught Vader off guard because his change of tactics, Luke used this to pound on him before he could regain his composure. Even then this all couldn't have happened if Vader had not found out Leia was his daughter seconds prior to the Dark Side amp and was distracted because he realized how much pain he caused her from slaughtering her friends to blowing up her homeworld, which probably caused him to be like this https://youtu.be/GyJNEZPm-pQ which intern allowed Luke to gain that win. If not for all of that again Vader (and also the superior not crippled version) would kill Luke like a youngling with him then saying https://youtu.be/X8PyTo6NyXA because it was all too easy!

Besides Rebellion Era Luke struggles against people like Rebellion Era Lumilaya who at the time was far weaker than Vader.

Keep in mind that Dooku is on the sane level as Vader who I just proved Anakin and Kenobi's superiority to.
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 9 mo 21 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker Yeah, vader wins
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 11 mo 17 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Pay attention to the fact that my comment was from one year ago, LONG BEFORE GM Luke had a separate profile.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 11 mo 17 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Hm, I don't know, maybe because the comment explicitly says "1 year ago" at the top?

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