Luke SkywalkervsDarth Vader

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Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) 13
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WARMACHINEROX170944
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker He wouldn't try to kill his son.
Cr
Crimsonassassin 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker Luke - I can't leave you here I've got save you
Darth Vader - You already have
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader FINALLY! The lore of Star Wars has been understood. Vader has beaten Luke in almost ever fight they've had other than RotJ.
Oblivion
Oblivion 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader İf Vader ment to kill Luke he would force Choke him easily lol
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Another person excepts the lore of Star Wars rather than being blinded by a teenaged crush on Luke.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
2 year member
Darth Vader Lol, you are still so salty on the fact that Luke beats Anakin, get over it my g.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Why did you change your vote?
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Cause I never changed it from when this was GM Luke. Duh.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Luke was only beating Vader through a Dark Side amp something he won't have in this fight even a suppressed Vader who was probably only using half his power had that advantages during most of that fight.
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Why didn't you?
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
2 year member
Darth Vader Cause I never thought to...?
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Also you have no proof Vader was using less than half his power against Luke.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Makes sense. BTW in Lords Of The Sith Vader explicitly states that Palpatine was holding back in order to test him, so that Twi-lek feat means absolutely nothing, Vader is still slow as c.r.a.p and that's another reason Luke beat him.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Proof: Vader wasn't using any force powers just to remind you The Force is Vader's true strength not a lightsaber, Vader was never using offensive of attacks, Vader was using Dun-Moch rather than mindraping Luke.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Vader is easily MFTL+ and has displayed several feats of agility and speed, he is in no way slow.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader That's not proof, actually give evidence that Vader was using less than half. If you can't provide anything that says he was using less than half, you're just making stuff up.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader *note how I said "PROBABLY" and how I said "he was using half his power." All Force users are FTL heck Ezra Bridger can defect blaster bolts implying he's FTL so why wouldn't Vader also be MFTL? When I said "slow as c.r.a.p I meant for a Force user of his level remember Ahsoka can press a speed advantage against him and she's far beneath Vader's level. The Emperor considered Luke a threat so he's also MFTL just like all mid to high tier Force users are.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader "Last edited: 5 min ago"
> Yeah, I bet you thought you were slick with that one.
Doesn't change the fact that absolutely nothing says Vader was only using half of his power, so you're just making up numbers to lowball Luke. And good job, you just gave more proof of Luke being far stronger than you lowball him to, as Sidious considered him a threat. Also Vader was on par with Ahsoka in speed throughout that entire fight, so that means nothing. And that was Pre-ANH Vader, not RotJ Vader, who is the one you called slow.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader > I fixed some grammar on that comment. Absolutely nothing says how much he was holding back but since a lot of sources state that he wasn't fighting at his full power and he never used more powerful abilities. How much power do you think Vader was holding back? Palpatine considers a lot of Jedi threats so that statement doesn't mean much. If Vader was on par with her then how was she jumping around him and putting him on the defensive. RotJ Vader still has less speed than people like Mace, prime Kenobi, and RotS Anakin and Luke's fast enough to tag Yoda in a sparing match (to be fair it was a sparing match) _Luke Skywalker and the Treasures of the Dragonsnake which means he's decently fast. And yes I called Vader slow because as far as I know he didn't double in power between his fight with Ahsoka and his fight with Luke, Vader's always has less speed than Anakin and Luke has similar speed to Anakin, couple that in with all the other circumstances and it's clear that Luke beating Vader made perfect sense.

Before you accuse me of lowballing Luke just remember I'm currently doing research on Luke's scaling and I know a LOT more than I did the last time we debated.
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader So you conceded that you were just making up how much Vader was holding back, so you could lowball Luke, good job. Vader was clearly trying against Luke, so he was certainly using over half of his power. Vader is on par with her in speed because he was keeping up with her during the fight. Jumping around someone doesn't mean you're faster than them, by that logic Ataru users would be faster then everyone else. RotJ Vader is very much faster than RotS Anakin, unless you think RotS Anakin is more than 80% of Sidious in speed. So no, Vader is not slow in any way, especially when the one feat you have to try and lowball Vader's speed is Pre-ANH Vader, not RotJ Vader. And really, all you're doing is helping the fact that Luke > Anakin.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader *making numbers up based on evidence. Ataru is usually the fastest form though (keyword "usually") Vader is 80 precent the Emperor's POWER not speed. Another instance of Vader's limits when it comes to speed is in the canon Vader comics by marvel issue 4 or five I can't really remember, Vader was outpaced by one of Dr Cylo's cyborgs and only survived because another one killed the cyborg that was about to kill Vader, and in another instance in Darth Vader Down Vader fights this robot with four arms kinda like Grievous but weaker, during the fight Vader is forced on the defensive and gets several kicks landed on him before he uses The Force to stop him. Both of those instances were between ANH and ESB in case you were wondering. I said luke was COMPARABLE to Anakin and Obi-Wan I never said he was on par with them so please stop changing what I said. And one more think Luke > Anakin (or Anakin > Luke) is an OPTION not a fact.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Making up numbers based on headcanon, because you've given absolutely nothing to support these random numbers you come up with to lowball.

Vader is just 80% of Sidious. Lucas didn't say 80% of Sidious' power, he just said 80% of Sidious.

Once again you use pre-prime Vader feats in a failed attempt to lowball RotJ Vader's speed.

I merely pointed out that you're helping the argument that Luke > Anakin, I'm not changing anything you said.

And no, it's not an opinion, it's a CLAIM. A claim that I've proven on numerous occasions.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Definition of headcanon: "a fan's personal, idiosyncratic interpretation of canon"

Oops. But anyways you still haven't answered one question, how much power do you think Vader was holding back in his fight with Luke in RotJ?

Where did he say "Vader is 80 precent of Palpatine"

Full prime Vader doesn't have any feats outside of losing to Luke unless we're going by what Dave Filoni said on Rebels Recon.

No mater who wins Anakin vs Luke is NOT "an unholy godstomps" like I used to call it a few months ago and it could go either way (assuming this is RotS Anakin and TTT Luke).

Uh, okay.

One more thing, Vader did not intend to hurt his son, mearly force him into submission and make him join the Dark Side _Star Wars Fact Files 17 maybe more proof that Luke doesn't scale to Vader without an amp and other circumstances?
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Yes, which is exactly what these percentages you're making up are.

I did answer this, I literally said; "Vader was clearly trying against Luke, so he was certainly using over half of his power."

Star Wars: The Last Battle, Vanity Fair Magazine, 2005, George Lucas said, and I quote; "Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful," he says. "But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there's not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he's maybe 20 percent less than him." He said twenty percent less. Not twenty percent less powerful, just twenty percent less.

And? RotJ Vader is still 80% of Sidious, and is far superior to his ANH and TESB counterparts, you can't use those feats to lowball him.

Literally nobody said it was a stomp, though I am perfectly capable of arguing that it is one.

Irrelevant, to force someone into submission would be to defeat them, and it's been proven that Vader was trying against Luke, Luke clearly scales to Vader. Even lowballed, he still loosely scales.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 28 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Sorry for the late reply, I had real life problems. Anakin is on the same level as Mace Windu who was ON PAR with Palpatine in speed. Palpatine did not "throw the fight to turn Anakin" both the George Lucas commentary on RotS and the RotS novel prove that Palpatine didn't throw the fight and just think for a second for all Palpatine knew he could have been killed just to remind you he was being held at arms length by a blade of plasma wielded by one of the most powerful Jedi of the Clone Wars era. The RotS novel also states Anakin was the greatest Jedi within the last thousand years, ie the writer making a continuous choice to put Anakin above yoda and Mace Windu. Dooku calls Anakin the best duelist he's ever seen in the RotS novel remember Dooku has fought Yoda at least twice once in AoTC and another in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. The writers are saying Anakin's on the same level as people like Yoda and Mace who are > a conflicted suppressed Vader. By that logic Luke is on the level of threatening Palpatine level Force users on very specific circumstances while RotS Anakin is on the level of threatening them at his norm.

"RotS Vader is far above ESB Vader you can't use those feats to lowball him" ARE YOU SERIOUSLY IMLYING THAT VADER MAGICALLY LEVLED UP AFTER ESB!?! How did he level up? Did he buy the EA Vader DLC lol? Yes I can use those feats to PROVE that Vader is NOT 80 precent as fast as Palpatine.

"Irrelevant, to force someone into submission would be to defeat them"

Uh yeah I'm gonna need a scan of that magazine but until then here's my rebuttal to that: Vader wasn't just holding back because he wanted to turn Luke to the Dark Side but he was also very conflicted and really didn't know what to do. To explain think of yourself as Vader, you've been in a painful suit that made you a slave to the Dark Side, you're Master is a j.e.r.k who ruthlessly punishes you when you fail him, you've been suffering so much since you've burnt of Mustafar and Luke is offering you a chance to finally be free but your mast has forced you to fight Luke to the death, now you're fighting Luke who is at least 10 times stronger than he was the last time you two fought and he can match your physical strength. You can't kill Luke because that would seal your fate to the Dark Side, he's strong enough that you can't just one shot him. And even if you did defeat him what do you do to him? Palpatine would likely torture Luke like he did in the movie or he'll kill him. So yeah if you were Vader what would you do in that circumstance?

now what do you do

Because of how conflicted Vader was he couldn't fight Luke at full power nor did he want to. That's why I said "he was probably only using half of his full power" (keyword "probably")
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 mo 28 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Literally nobody said Sidious threw the fight, the hell are you on? Anakin is not above either Yoda or Windu, he is at best equal to Windu (who Vader surpassed). Base Luke was threatening Sidious, not amped Luke, so again, more assistance towards the point that Luke is easily on the level of the top tier Clone Wars era Jedi. And the fact that Luke was keeping up with a suppressed RotJ Vader (who was very clearly trying), who is superior to Anakin in his prime, again shows that Luke > Anakin.

You do realize there's a whole ass year in between TESB and RotJ, right? It is perfectly logical (and factual) that Vader became much stronger. Also none of the feats you gave were actually TESB Vader. You can't use those feats because they aren't RotJ Vader, try again.

Yes, quoting what I said continues to prove that Vader was trying to defeat Luke and was unable to do so.

I gave the exact magazine and the exact quote, the hell? Go read it yourself. Also your point of what Vader would do ignores the fact that Sidious wanted Luke to take Vader's place, so your entire ultimatum is faulty and inapplicable.

You still have no actual evidence supporting he was only using half. If he was only using half, he would have been twice as powerful as Luke, which is completely nonsensical and unfounded. Meanwhile the actual fight itself, and pretty much all material that associates with it implies Vader is absolutely trying against Luke, and he would therefore have to be using over half his power.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 27 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader You yourself said "Palpatine threw the fight with Mace to turn Anakin." https://www.superherodb.com/mace-windu-vs-luke-skywalker/90-6481/, I debunked that point before you would try to say "pAlPaTiNe tReW tHe fIgHt tO TuRn aNaKiN" "Anakin is not above Yoda at best he's equal to Mace" agreed, I only brought up the point from the RotS novel to prove that Anakin at his norm is comparable to people like Yoda (keyword being comparable). "Vader has surpassed Windu" prove it, I've already proven Mace is equal to Palpatine, Palpatine didn't throw the fight, and Vader is only 80 percent as powerful as Palpatine. *Base Luke's potential was what was threatening Palpatine he said that Luke was potentially more powerful than Vader (to be fair he was comparing Luke's potential to burnt suited Vader not prime Anakin) and even if it's not the case Palpatine has been threatened by people who are MUCH weaker than Luke or Anakin on multiple occasions like in Rebels where he sees Ahsoka as a threat or in TFU he saw Galen Marek as a threat. I never said Luke wouldn't of been a high tier Jedi during the Clone Wars, did I?

You do realize Vader's been an active Sith enforcer for over 23 years BEFORE ESB? Vader would have been nearing his prime by the time of ESB, you can't just assume he's magically leveled up by RotJ just to prove a point from a magazine that literally nobody reads just to overrate Vader unless you can explain how he magically leveled up between the ESB and RotJ.

"Palpatine anted Luke to take Vader's place, so your entire ultimatum is faulty and inapplicable." If Luke took Palpatine's place that would mean he would have killed Vader which is something Vader obviously didn't want to have happen.

Please note that I said "that's why I said he was probably only using half his power." Scroll up and read that comment again I promise you I won't edit it. I do agree that Vader was using more than half his power.

Three more things that I haven't mentioned yet 1: fighting someone whose holding back isn't at all similar to fighting someone whose going all out like Anakin would be. And 2: Anakin and Vader fight like two completely deferent people, just because you've defeated one of them doesn't mean you can defeat the other regardless of what scaling says. I know that's a very hard idea to grasp by a Dragon Ball fan because the DB characters have very similar fighting styles and abilities but it's factual. 3: One thing that power stealing doesn't acknowledge is how B character beat A character, like what if A character used speed, intelligence, skill, or if A character was holding back. This is relevant because Luke could very easily speed blitz Vader in Luke Skywalker and The Treasures of The Dragonsnake Luke tags Yoda in a sparing match (to be fair it was a sparring match meaning that Yoda was probably holding back) and Luke Skywalker and The Treasures of The Dragonsnake takes place in 3BBY AKA during the events of ESB, so imagine how fast RotJ Luke with a Dark Side amp could be especially when compared to a clunky and relatively slow Vader.
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Can more people please vote for who actually wins?
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 mo 30 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Yeah, vader wins
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 2 mo 5 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Vader did not intend to hurt his (infinitely inferior) son, mearly force him into submission and make him join the Dark Side _Star Wars Fact Files 17
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 2 mo 27 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader HOW IS LUKE WINNING!?! When Luke fought Vader in RotJ, Vader was holding back probably not even using half his power, and he was beating Luke until Luke used the Dark Side and "matched Vader's physical strength with his own" implying that Luke couldn't do it on his own power. Luke only scales to him as a duelist and even then it's a very loose scale because Vader could even bring himself to kill or even hurt Luke and did not once to use the Force on Luke.
Okay had Luke of stayed on Dagobah and completed his training he would probably of been as powerful as Anakin would have been and would easily beat Vader, but as it goes now Vader stomps 10/10. Okay I'm waiting on an explanation for why Luke stands any chance against his infinitely superior father. Vader/Dark Side Anakin >>> Luke, one must be mentally crippled to think otherwise
_Holy_Joe_
_Holy_Joe_ 1 y 2 mo 23 d
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not voted Father vs Son.
Bbq444
Bbq444 1 y 2 mo 23 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker Vader wouldn't even try to kill his own son in the first place.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 4 mo 12 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Darth Vader held back against Luke because he was conflicted, if he wanted to Kill Luke, he would.
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 4 mo 12 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader But that was RotJ Luke. Way before his prime. Grand Master Luke could vaporize Vader with Force lightning.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Parody Luke has his own profile https://www.superherodb.com/grand-master-skywalker/10-12326/
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LordTracer
LordTracer 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Pay attention to the fact that my comment was from one year ago, LONG BEFORE GM Luke had a separate profile.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader How was I supposed to know that?
LordTracer
LordTracer 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Hm, I don't know, maybe because the comment explicitly says "1 year ago" at the top?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader Sorry,
Bbq444
Bbq444 1 y 6 mo 9 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker Sith (With Conflicts) Vs Jedi (Trained by Ancient Jedi's)
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 mo 26 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader If Vader isn't holding back, he stomps so hard it's not even funny.
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brianiac5 1 y 8 mo 16 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker I'm assuming we're talking about at the peak of their power and skill, since there is only one version of the character on here, not Luke as of Yavin or Luke as of Endor, etc.
ag940000
ag940000 1 y 9 mo 5 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Luke Skywalker Does nobody realize how powerful Luke is in the EU?
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LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 9 mo 5 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader No, sadly not. Most people nowadays forget about the EU and only look at Disney Canon (which is what I consider Legends).
TheOverlord
TheOverlord 1 y 9 mo 5 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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not voted Sadly the EU doesn't matter as Disney has removed it all from Canon. Whether you like it or not we have to wait for the next movie to find out just how powerful Luke is. To that note I never really considered anything besides movies and the TV series in a fight. But that is just my statement on star wars, I'm a movie purist never played the games outside of the battlefront series.
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 9 mo 5 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Darth Vader Well, canon is what you make of it. Even Pablo Hildago, the guy who says what is and isn't Disney canon said canonicity is overrated. Therefore, I still consider the stuff in the EU (New Jedi Order, Old Republic, all that stuff) canon.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 3 mo 15 d
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Darth Vader That's why I've been trying to tell you.

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