White Phoenix of the CrownvsRune King Thor

White Phoenix of the Crown Agreed

White Phoenix of the Crown bro she is high outer.She is stated to tansend the white hot room which is above the beyond realm and the dream of the devine creator

Neutral Rkt>True Yggdrasil>Hoi>White Hot Room

White Phoenix of the Crown Maybe

White Phoenix of the Crown More like:
Hoi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> White Phoenix of the Crown >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> True Yggdrasil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rune King Thor

White Phoenix of the Crown Prove it which you can'[email protected]

White Phoenix of the Crown @Pedrof

White Phoenix of the Crown Sure. HoI = Outerversal. Base Phoenix is complex multiversal so I think that White Phoenix of the Crown is hyperversal and RKT is only complex multiversal so WPOTC >>> RKT. And I was wrong in one thing, as yggdrasil isn't even a universe, then RKT >>> Yggdrasil.

Neutral white phoenix of crown is above far shore and mystery lol and then comes multi-oblivion> and pre retcon beyonder

White Phoenix of the Crown you sure twsais are beyonders?

White Phoenix of the Crown I honestly question your sanity. The fact that you think rune king thor can beat beyonders is either a joke or you're just beyond dumb. Those who sit above in shadow are just hinted to being beyonders by Loki and he just said so because he didn't know where they resided. Even if they're beyonders they didn't lose to thor. RKT legit destroyed the tapestry on which they were sitting. They were only scared of him because he was gonna end Ragnarok and they can't live without Ragnarok another reason why they cannot be Beyonders.

Rune King Thor @Unknown: Loki confirmed Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are Beyonders, because a few issues before he said that, in 'Loki: Agent of Asgard Volume 1 #14, Page #3, Panel #1', Those Who Sit Above In Shadow said "Now the stars end, and we return. For nothing you dream of is impossible for us to accomplish. Now, slay your enemies, small god. Slay your enemies and all you desire shall be yours", which is almost verbatim what the Beyonder said in 'Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars Volume 1 #1, Page #17, Panels #2-4': "I am from beyond. Slay your enemies and all you desire shall be yours. Nothing you dream of is impossible for me to accomplish." It is no coincidence that these beings said the same things. The author of 'Loki: Agent of Asgard Volume 1' knew what he was doing when he depicted Those Who Sit Above In Shadow saying the same exact things the Beyonder said in his very first comic book appearance. And then for the author to depict Loki literally saying they are Beyonders is the nail in the coffin. What more confirmation do you need?

Neutral Both characters are nigh featless

White Phoenix of the Crown I don't think so

Neutral Agree

White Phoenix of the Crown Stalemate

Neutral 10/10

White Phoenix of the Crown Lmao

Rune King Thor He isnt

White Phoenix of the Crown No he isn't

Neutral what do u mean rkt is omnipotent

White Phoenix of the Crown Not blinks this would be a stale mate

White Phoenix of the Crown

White Phoenix of the Crown Yeah she can

White Phoenix of the Crown WPOTC claps

Rune King Thor Rune king thor stomps.

Rune King Thor Wrong and wrong.

Rune King Thor @Taurus Why?

Rune King Thor @Tahsin Because neither stomps.

White Phoenix of the Crown I mean, I wouldn't say it's very close

Rune King Thor It's easy to say when you only exalt Phoenix but completely ignore Thor.

White Phoenix of the Crown @MrJaeger07 we have had conversation about thor already.

No feats of RKT is comparable to phoenix

Rune King Thor That's the easy answer and what most people say (as expected) happens when you don't inquire beyond the "harmless" feats like destroying the true Yggdrasil for example.

White Phoenix of the Crown Yes, that's the very easy answer because i already explained about phoenix and you know about rkt, yaggdrasil already debunked, and he destroyed yaggdrasil but effect no universe so even dark phoenix have batter feats than rkt because she actually destroyed universe

Rune King Thor Well I'm going to eat so I'll answer it in a while.

White Phoenix of the Crown I'm waiting for you

Rune King Thor Ok I came back, so let's clarify the points.

What's debunked about Yggdrasil? I've seen many threads from many other sites and no one has truly debunked any claim.

For start with, Yggdrasil is considered a kind of energic Multiverse map or energetic entity that connect/support Marvel Universes, it's not simply a ''mystical tree''.
According to the Quantum Cosmologist Erik Solvong, the Yggdrasil is a type of Quantum Metaverse, claiming that the 9 realms/universes that we all know are only like the tip of an infinite iceberg. What we know as world are universes, complex, discrete, and fully-formed. Which in a very precise interpretation, means that an even bigger Yggdrasil is what encompasses which would be the infinite iceberg taken as an example.

''You might believe there are only nine worlds, but brother, I'm here to tell you... there's much more, and they're hungry''

So yes, as Dr. Solvong said, it hasn't only nine realms, but infinite universes, baldur himself states that all infinite earths are part of it. Plus Solvong also claimed that Asgardians don't really know beyond the nine realms or how they're composes the TRUE Yggdrasil, that is why characters like Odin have narrated the Yggdrasil as a mystical tree that only contains nine realms, if you see it from a more neutral perspective, it makes all the sense in the world.

On the other hand, Loki said something that contextually complements what Dr. Solvong said: ''There are many Lokis... Just as there are many Thors, and many balders. Each one exists apart from the other, yet is conjoined by a shared essence, like branches on a tree. In some incarnations, Loki is called Lock, in some, he is Loge, in still others, Lokes, or Loder.'' Which in a nutshell means, infinite universes, characters and stories all interconnected through the *branches* of Yggdrasil , this is almost impossible to interpret otherwise unless you are biased.



It also encompasses structures beyond the following view points:
-. Einstein Rose
-. Morris-Thorne
-. Quantum-Brane-Cosmological (Higher Dimensions)
Yggdrasil sustains the realm of OtherWorld, during the arc Everything Burns Mister Wilso made a deal with Surtur for the good of his people, and ended up giving technology to it [1] [2], which he ended up using to try to destroy The Yggdrasil [3], which he tries to make by spitting fire with his forge and the technology of the Gods of Otherworld, which confirms that otherworld is just a universe inside the branches of Yggdrasil. But not only that, otherworld/avalon is one of the functions that allows Yggdrasil to achieve True Eternity, since while surtur spat fire on Otherworld to affect Yggdrasil, according to Loki this would burn ALL the MULTIVERSE

Otherworld is responsible for encompassing structures High 1-B, the sideral string is type of intersection of reality, and from there you can acess any point along her that ties creation together, like negative zone/subspace who had infinite higher dimensions.
In addition, it's also mentioned that the negative zone/subspace is situated within the vision of The Heimdall, which he can only see the entire length of space time through the branches of Yggdrasil, and he can see the negative zone/subspace, which makes it at least High 1-B structure inside yggdrasil branches.

Rune King Thor If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil:
-. Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.
-. All the fabric of reality will be crash.
-. If the tree that bind all to come to harm, dire wouldst the result be. Were the merest branch severed, unmoored wouldst the ends worlds and heavens be.
-. Even Elder God Seth has TRIED to destroy all the infinite plans of time and space by destroying the main root of yggdrasil.

White Phoenix of the Crown @MrJaeger07 nice try but non of them surprise me.

Is yaggdrasil the only source to hype rkt ? Your own scans says "creation of asgardians" (: history of marvel universe #1:)

life of of asgardians.

True yaggdrasil? Where is the map of true yaggdrasil ? Where they said true yaggdrasil even exist?

it's not even eternity

If yaggdrasil really contains multiverse then why it's never appears on those comic which is not related to asgard/thor ?

Yaggdrasil is life tree of asgardians.

supposed yaggdrasil contains multiverse then how it's gonna help rkt to win against WPOTC ?

White Phoenix of the Crown You said before: comic statement matters more than anything, then phoenix have way more statement than rkt,yaggdrasil or anyone.

Yaggdrasil encompass multiverse ? Well phoenix is omniverse itself, creation and destruction itself, life and death itself, WPOTC is complete phoenix... which can control phoenix force all over the omniverse.

Ever heard about white hot room ? Well, it is the Heart of Creation, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the realm where the physical universe merges with the domains of spirit and imagination.. this is the place of after life for beings like eternity, infinity..

White Phoenix of the Crown

Rune King Thor @UNKNOWN Haha no, Yggdrasil is obviously not the only means by which I scale RKT, and really you really didn't prove my points wrong about Yggdrasil being at least high 1-B, as I expected, you used a common statement that Yggdrasil has but it won't work that easy.
1) In the scan you sent, it says ''Yggdrasil was instrumental in the creaton of the Asgardian Gods'', it doesn't say that it was created by them so don't invent things that are nowhere said, I know that your ability to interpret correctly is better than that.
2) Did you see the amount of links and scans I sent you which if you paid more attention to them you wouldn't say ''True yaggdrasil? Where is the map of the real yaggdrasil? Where did they say the real yaggdrasil existed?'' Everything I send you connects LOGICALLY from some point of view, which you tried to repel with a scan and such a used/poor argument.
3) It's true, the statements and feats of the comic are what matters the most, but the opinion of a writer also helps and in this case it supports me (ps: I had a hard time getting this pic)


For now I don't think it's necessary to explain the TWSAIS factor and the loom that such feats involved.

White Phoenix of the Crown 1-B ??? Is that the vs battle thing or what ? I don't take those sites tiering system... those stats for those who don't read comic...

Asgardians life depends on yagdrasil..how can they create it?

There's no map and anything like true yaggdrasil

Again, destroying yaggdrasil effect no universe, that means it's nothing to do with universal feats, rkt didn't even defeated TWSAIS, also TWSAIS are featless

White Phoenix of the Crown You still didn't says anything about how can he gonna win against WPOTC

Guess you don't know about phoenix, do you?

Rune King Thor You still didn't answer nor clarify my points regarding Yggdrasil and I started the thread, so what are you waiting for?

White Phoenix of the Crown Yea you through out so many scans at first so now you have nothing to show, but I'm not sure which answer you asking for...

I already said suppose even if yaggdrasil contains multiverse then still, how is this above phoenix?

Rune King Thor In fact I have much more to show, but I don't see initiative on your part, by the way, where's it stated that WPOTC is "Omniversal"? There isn't even that term in Marvel lmao

White Phoenix of the Crown Your all those scans are not even close to my those above scans.

White Phoenix of the Crown Same questions to you where is that stated RKT is outerversal ?

Well, you asked me so i have to give you... phoenix force is stated as omniversal force maybe you know WPOTC is complete power of Phoenix force, maybe i already said

Yes even the M'Kraan crystal is omniversal And if the M'kraan Crystal explodes, the entire omniverse would be doomed.

Rune King Thor Of course, if you haven't even interpreted them the right way, what makes you think that those WPOTC scans are quantifiable enough to be so sure that what RKT did isn't "even close" to that?

White Phoenix of the Crown Lol... forget your own words ?

RKT even have any clear scan ? If somebody try to hype phoenix like you then she can be above than even Featherine, The Creator etc LMAO

Rune King Thor Where it's said? no host can use the full potential of phoenix force and if you can prove that WPOTC can, then do so

White Phoenix of the Crown Still can't accept then tell me what you want more ?

Rune King Thor Loki GOS and TWSAIS survived in the Outside where not even Lifebringer nor Shaper of World could survive and RKT didn't definitely kill TWSAIS but he banished them temporarely and actually scared them, plus TWSAIS nor Loki so is RKT can't be affected by the Omniverse destruction so... You still think RKT doesn't stand a chance being Outer? smh

White Phoenix of the Crown It is even a question? No host can use its full potential because it's host, WPOTC is no host there's no host no physical body...

Haven't you saw phoenix leave the host always...

White Phoenix of the Crown Well, outside is this the outside of eternity, right ? They survived omniverse destruction just because it they are outside, really they exist outside that make them power as you think? Then WPOTC is way way more powerful than TWSAIS because WPOTC exist outside of everything, time, space, matter even oblivion/nothiness

Rune King Thor How powerful do you think I think RKT is? plus send me the scan where it's exactly stated as you say.

White Phoenix of the Crown Ever abstract lik (LT, death, oblivion, eternity, infinity) kneeled before rkt ?...well they bow down to power of phoenix...

when Vulcan takes all the power from all Phoenix avatars it was White Phoenix controlling him from the nexus of all realities making that a canon feat for White Phoenix.

Inside M'Kraan Crystal there's a portal into the White Hot Room that exists outside of everything, not everyone can enter the portal.

Jean as White Phoenix of The Crown saw the future of the universe dying, her judgement is either to recreate or destroy it and restart, Quintin Quire told her to destroy it but Jean chose to heal it by erasing reality and the create new one, manipulated every single atom of the Universe through time and space, erase the timeliness and establish a new one, erase the future and wrote a new present, and she was being trained when she's doing all of those.

She held the universe in her hand via telekinesis whole reality for Scott to begin a new life with Emma Frost.


She can manipulate time, space, reality on omniversal level since she is all creation itself.

She can control the all Phoenix Force over omniverse even in other hosts too. She can block any Phoenix host from getting into the White Hot Room, even the boundless and endless

M'kraan Crystal and White Hot Room

The White Hot Room is where every being go after the universe, even Eternity and Death itself will be absorbed back into it.. here is Jean stated that the alien race she decimated will be absorbed into the WHRAnd if Jean hadn't become Green Phoenix and Stop the M'kraan Crystal, all of creation would have been lost, thats how OP the M'kraan Crystal and Green Phoenix are.

The M'kraan Crystal is too big to be truly defined,(there's no words that can describe M'Kraan Crystal) it is fear and anger and power and knowledge, it is all things.

White Phoenix of the Crown Ohh don't forget your own words again

This is actual statement

Yes Phoenix is endless and boundless

White Phoenix of the Crown Well, RKT have only one comic and he died in the end, why do i need to show you scan if know everything about rkt, i hope you have read thor ragnarok... following your own words, "comic statement matters more than anything" he have omniscience, but he don't know how to use it, his power didn't work when he was about to destroy loom of fate... he didn't defeated TWSAIS directly actually fighting feats are almost useless...specially when they didn't defeated directly... he destroyed yaggdrasil by destroying loom of fate (not directly again) destroying yaggdrasil didn't effects anything... i see his only batter feats is defeating mangog...and his statement "omniscient" he is also above odin...so he should be low multiversal/ multiversal... how can you even wank him with only one comic ?

White Phoenix of the Crown Without any wank rkt should be low multiversal/ multiversal

WPOTC hyperversal/ high hyperversal

Yes if you wank him then RKT..outerversal

WPOTC omniversal even it can go Featherine/The Creator lvl

Which is a joke

Everyone thinks their favourite characters is way more powerful than others thinks... nobody like to see their favourite character losing... that's why fans try to wank and others try to debunk

Rune King Thor You are the typical person who resorts to using the word ''wank'' when someone doesn't do the same as most, only this time, the ''wankers'' of RKT we have several methods to prove our claims, and more than RKT being overrated is more like he's heavily underrated because maybe he doesn't have so many feats or they don't seem so impressive at first impression, that's their big mistake, they think that destroying the Yggdrasil is a small thing thanks to the fame of ''nine realms'' but they don't bother looking for other concepts about it, in which it's undeniably stated that it's much more than ''nine realms/universes'', or that banishing TWSAIS wasn't a big quatifiable feat because RKT didn't kill them or they're ''featless'', TWSAIS literally begged RKT anyway, they even offered him a seat next to them, why some beings that have the potential to be at least low 1-A would care about someone "low multiversal-multiversal" as you said? my God, this seems really pathetic to me and it proves once again that they criminally underrate the character, ignoring what wouldn't favor them in a debate, these types of people (like you) tend to confuse me because I don't know if they don't know none of what this character analitically done, or they just hate him (I don't know why they would actually) in terms of WPOTC, I can assure you she isn't as underated as RKT is.

White Phoenix of the Crown Oh so now you start trolling.. rkt is underrated, right ? I think you are misunderstanding the word... is underrated means "he have biggest fanbase that's why everyone trying to wank him (yes i used the word "wank" again because its fact) he don't even have feats... still people keep trying to make him outerversal, which is LVL OF TOAA,Presence then yes he is underrated... then WPOTC is overrated because overrated means most people don't even know about him, she have comic but usually people don't read it, even if you try to find her in Internet you can rarely find her...

Is that the your definition of overrated and understand? LOL

White Phoenix of the Crown And I'm saying again, destroying yaggdrasil not effective to universe... so this is nothing ... and defeating TWSAIS is just like batman defeated superman using kryptonite, doom defeated beyonders, reed defeated god emperor doom etc... that won't make you more powerful than them not even close.

Yaggdrasil is concept from norse mythology ... norse mythology created by those who don't even knew anything about universe... planet was their
universe, they were not liberal like us, so their imagination is not big enough to think about it...

Rune King Thor Wank: People who overplay a character to very surreal levels and that doesn't make sense at all.
Underrated: Character who has a wrong public vision so people tend to put him lower than he/she actually is.
Having these clear concepts, in what part I'm "misunderstanding the word"? in any case the one who does it is you, who even call me a troll.
You literally just proved my points correct, people don't see past the ''harmless'' feats and don't bother to explore further, is there any use in reading all of Ragnarok with such poor mentality limitation? absolutely nothing.
If you've seen people say that RKT is at the TOAA or Presence level (which I haven't seen personally) you just have to stop confusing them with people like me, I'm not saying that RKT beats TOAA or the Presence at all, I don't even think he's close to MM or CIH, but I do try to prove he's not as weak as many put him.
You are @DARK_CROWN right? if so, better tell me once to stop arguing with someone I know will not listen to anything outside of his reasoning and with whom I simply don't want to waste my time.

White Phoenix of the Crown LOL you said it, if rkt is outerversal then what is lvl of TOAA, PRB,MM CIH?

You just trying to wank him, i saw you... yes i call you troll, because you are making it...

If rkt is outerversal then what is eternity, infinity, death, oblivion and also LT ? Only omniversal are above outerversal, right? How is that even possible ? :)

So that means their base form are universal ?

Street lvl heroes are planetary? ??

Yes i copied some of those info from him, not sure if you are you talking about comic vine or other site

White Phoenix of the Crown Bruh outerversal tier has infinite layers,higher ones viewing lower ones as fiction,you can be outerversal yet be a mere fiction to another outerversal. (which rkt isn't)

Rune King Thor Lmao one more time, you misinterpret what I say.
The fact that RKT and TOAA both encompasses the "Outerversal" tier doesn't necessarily put them on the same power level, then CAS is wanked because he's Outer too so he beats TOAA or MM? And just so you know TOAA is infinity a.k.a tier 0.
You only call me ''wanker'' and ''troll'' because I don't think the same as most and I defend a character frowned upon by people in terms of power, it can be ruled out that one of the reasons why people hate RKT on this site is by @SirSpidey bias towards Thor stuff... I don't think it's a coincidence that other pages at least try to give him more value. Plus hypothetically Thor is greater than all those entities, since he destroyed Yggdrasil which contains and limits said entities, hence comes the Omniversal theory of Dr. Solvong regarding Yggdrasil. Keep trying to ignore it providing nothing counter.
Wdym?
You didn't answer me, are you @DARK_CROWN or not?

Rune King Thor @Oblivion Then so isn't CAS or Beyonders.

White Phoenix of the Crown Your mindset is : if RKT is fodder so are cas and beyonders
which isn't effective in any ways,Beyonders aren't outerversal indeed,they are lower than infinite d,billions of them could barely take down an m-body of lt,CAS on the other hand survived when mandrakk throwed dc verse compressed in a jar at him this would make him beyond destiny whose book is the same because monitors view realms beyond the realm endless exists as flat 2d [=-also mandrakk was going to suck dc fiction so yep

Rune King Thor For you, all Marvel characters are Fodder, so why would RKT be the exception in your mindset?
In the text you sent it says that the structure of the entire Multiverse was seen from the outside (nothing impressive), the fact that they use the expression ''it's everything that ever was'' doesn't necessarily encompass the entire DC verse as you claimed, and less when speaking from a not so high dimensional perspective considering that they emphasize the Multiverse.
Loki GOS can also see the Multiverse (destroying itself) from the Outside as well as TWSAIS, while he was controlling the existing and non-existing narratives/stories throughout the Marvel Omniverse, even each concept can kept in his pocket, strangely he couldn't (or didn't want to) avoid that the Ragnarok happened and RKT could, does that tell you something? According to my scale, Beyonders do not scale to that level, GED is even superior to them and they don't have feats above complex Multi - low Hyper, plus CAS had trouble handling Mandrakk, I would say that it saved a little his ability to control the possibility and Also the Overvoid, where all the concepts and history of Mandrakk were erased, CAS almost fell as well.

White Phoenix of the Crown >For you, all Marvel characters are Fodder, so why would RKT be the exception in your mindset?

You fail to understand how outdated marvel's perspective of "powerful" is their god tiers are affected by pshyic based attacks and lack hax and powerset to match real powerful dudes, a lot of things changed in last 15 years,a lot of verses came up with charecters and cosmologies superior to Marvel,not to mention every marvel writer who can grip the pen retconning the cosmology over and over.

>In the text you sent it says that the structure of the entire Multiverse was seen from the outside (nothing impressive), the fact that they use the expression ''it's everything that ever was'' doesn't necessarily encompass the entire DC verse as you claimed, and less when speaking from a not so high dimensional perspective considering that they emphasize the Multiverse.

This is nothing but censorship,1st "multiverse" refers to the map, which contains silver city,dreaming which was said to be realm of archetypal forces and concepts like dimensions isn't a thing there, limbo exists above them, it is the retcon bin of the verse and it was stated to be last outpost of existance,there are no material things in limbo, nil views limbo as fiction,in nil concepts such as reality do not exist since they are overwhelmed by overvoid stop treating the map like its an infinite 2A multiverse or something like that,when its obviously not,Mandrakk was going to end all fictional realms of dc,right after he bottled them,making him superior to everything in the map,including realms transcends the map such as 6th d (its fictional as well),which makes him far above than the mandrakk in your headcanon,and cas survived his attacks and beat him,gg

The GOS loki survived omniversal destruction arguement is nonsense, you are pretending like he tanked an omniversal attack to his face or something like that,no.

The place twsais exists isn't outside thus you can't scale him to lbg,beyond all realities is a common term in marvel and was used for multiple realms (beyond realm for ex.) nothing proves its the outside,also loki hinted that twsais may be beyonders in the same story.

Loki keeping concepts in his pocket is fodder as well,cas survived bottled platonic concept blasts fired by a dude who was going to solo dc,(also marvel concepts aren't platonic in any ways,so fodder)

Also mentioning overvoid here makes no sense,considering how it makes everything here irrelevant.
(BTW i just realised this is wpotc vs rkt not rkt vs cas,lol)

White Phoenix of the Crown @MrJaeger07 again, if they both outerversal then that means they are equal, neither CAS is equal Presence, they are outerversal just by wanks...

Tier 0 ??? Is that even a thing? Think outerversal scale is 1A or whatever... Tier 0 is boundless which is also dark phoenix XD

you saying RKT is above abstract like LT, eternity etc how is that not a troll?

"It's easy to say when you only exalt Phoenix but completely ignore Thor."

Remember? You said this to me? Yes you are keep ignoring phoenix and changing topic by saying Rkt underrated (which is not) or something like that

"you @DARK_CROWN or not?"

No, I'm not him. I know him but not in i this site.

White Phoenix of the Crown Again, saying this if rkt is outerversal then only dark phoenix is omniversal, WPOTC is above omniversal, i don't know what is above omniversal, i don't this concept even exists.

Don't forget it.

Rune King Thor @Oblivion Personally I don't think Marvel is so lowplayed although it is true and I agree that there are verses/fictions superior to Marvel such as Umineko or perhaps SCP Marvel doesn't stay that back as well, Maybe in their comics they use many conceptual terms such as time, infinity, space etc... but it doesn't mean that some characters created with the total intention of being the most powerful in seeing are limited by these concepts even if they were platonic, Marvel usually skips many things of the present time and is pretty inconsistent but that doesn't make them fodder at all, you should give their cosmology a chance on whatever your scaling is.

Alright, this is somewhat confusing when you tell me about it, but coincidentally I don't feel the same way when I read it from the scan, first, in which part of the Final Crisis event it is stated that limbo is ''above'' concepts or even infinite dimensions? that I remember anywhere, even when Superman and the other boys landed there, they soon called a book that Shazam and Superman lifted as "infinite pages" or "infinite weight", if in that place don't exist the concepts then, why did they bother to describe the book like that? (for example) it makes no sense what you say with what was shown, so it's quite questionable that the Nil sees everything as fiction and isn't limited by concepts (platonics?!), transcending 6d whatever the context is very low considering 12d is high Hyper scale, isn't it? which once again questions the insignificance of the fictional dimensional concepts in the Nil realm, Superman also had a hard match against Mandrakk who showed more impressive feats, I don't think you can directly prove that Mandrakk was soloing the entire DC realms (including Angel's), don't you take so literally "the ultimate enemy" that is long past. Plus the DC's cosmology and verse isn't the strongest there is either, most likely it is equal to Marvel's according to many experts if anything.

Nonsense? how? Tanking with his own Mbodiment or not doesn't change anything in Loki's feat, Loki was still able to survive in The Outside, where not even Lifebringer Galactus could survive, which makes believable the fact that place (which isn't seen affected by dimensional concepts, of space, time or infinity) is immune to the destruction of literally the entire Omniverse, TWSAIS like Loki had access to survive there, I never said they lived there wtf, also Loki was changing the TWSAIS' stories/concept until he made them flee to another place far away the Outside, which means that they can travel beyond concepts or infinite dimensions, they were not saved by the Outside and if you pay enough attention to the scans of AoA #17 you'll realize that in the Outside do they use any terminology that implies logic such as space-time, reality, infinity etc, only stories are told, narratives are created and erased by Loki, platonic concepts aren't a limitant so it's similar to how the House of Ideas works, only the latter scales much higher lol.

1) What does ''platonic concepts'' mean and what's different of regarding baseline concepts?
2) Actually keeping (not only) concepts in your pocket but also infinite stories, narratives, etc... is a good quantifiable feat clearly superior at least to the baseline Outer tier, and it's not fodder at all, since Loki could simply recreate the CAS story, compress it and keep it in his pocket, the concepts don't matter, but the TWSAIS' fate manipulation a.k.a Ragnarok is refutably at the level that Loki handles the stories (which is at least at high 1-B tier), since as you saw at the end of AoA #16, Loki GOS couldn't (or didn't want to, but more likely the former) stop Ragnarok.
3) Loki RUMORED that TWSAIS were probably Beyonders and knowing what a troll and mischeafer he is, why not think he just wanted to confuse the readers?

How is mentioning the Overvoid irrelevant here? It's literally the reason why CAS was able to get rid of Mandrakk since the latter fell into the Overvoid, which if it hadn't happened most likely CAS would've lost and the creation to sh*t
(BTW I find it more interesting and I prefer to talk about CAS than WPOTC, more when the other debater doesn't listen to any kind of reasoning and doesn't understand advanced cosmology lol)

@UNKNOWN Surprise! I got tired of your WPOTC superiority speeches and your boring way of ''debating'', now I prefer to talk about out-concepts cosmology and complex terms that is where RKT actually is via Loki GOS/TWSAIS, gg :).

White Phoenix of the Crown And yes this is also a wank because you are focusing on only one feats, while people can't accept it even after long debate... if you focus every single details and trying to scale characters, those all characters are way more above RKT, even Life Force should be equal TOAA, maybe above...

Yes, every fans do that because they don't want to see their favourite character losing... don't ask me why am i tell you those all things because you changed the topic not me...

If you look ate details of "history of marvel universe" than it says creation is created by PF, not TOAA... even galactus is above TOAA, if you gonna focus every single details and overthing about it.

Street lvl character will become planetary, planetary lvl character become universal, universa will become multiversal and so so on

you focusing details of rkt but ignoring others characters even biggest and clear feats, statement? If you gonna focus details of one character then you need to do same with others... where is your logic again?

White Phoenix of the Crown @MrJaeger07 yea it is boring for you because now you have nothing to show or proof, right ? You have nothing that can make rkt above WPOTC, I'm talking about both character so it'smay bored you because you only know about one character, i already got that... fact is if you scale one character then other will scale above other characters... i did the same... and there's nothing that help rkt to win this battle.

Rune King Thor Why when some user simply wants to leave for the reasons he stated, does it automatically have to be because he was left "without arguments" or "without evidence"? hell no, that's a very egocentric and immature mentality, if I said I want to leave the debate with you cuz what I already said, that's why, period. Actually I had a lot more to show you, but truth is I got bored with you, so don't make a mental straw neither and that's it.

White Phoenix of the Crown Yes it is... you didn't gave single reason why rkt win against WPOTC...

Again i said let's suppose yaggdrasil contains whatever you said then what ? Still how it's even close to only dark phoenix? It's bored you because your favourite character lost... and you have nothing to disprove...don't make excuses brother

Rune King Thor None of that's true, but if keep thinking the same kidly thing, that's fine, each one with their mentality.

White Phoenix of the Crown Yea, non of that true for you... because you don't want to believe that your favourite character lost actually. It's hard to believe right? But keep motivated yourself by saying this is not true... when people lost debate they always say it's boring or make excuses or some people got offended... and it's very common...

Rune King Thor Why should I leave a debate so notorious if (according to you) my ''favorite'' character lost? I would never do something like that and you don't know me, so you resort to thinking that, but eventually you will.

White Phoenix of the Crown LMAO... still arguing about your lost...LOL ... what can you even do when you have no evidence and proof anymore... when some character that you know nothing about beat your favourite character,... what can you do when you have no more words...you can't make anyone fool...neither you can make theory... why would i need to know you about you? Tell me who are you? Don't you gonna tell me fanboy of rkt...? You are keep arguing about this but you leave the topic far away... because it's boring Right.?...XD

Rune King Thor I'm still arguing because you still haven't put that puberty boy mentality aside, believe me that before I was almost like you, I believed myself to be the fucking master of comics and argued how my biased mind guided me, until I explored other avenues of knowledge apart than I already knew, I was educated more as a reader and as a debater, I stopped thinking that nobody could prove me wrong, and if you want you can ask it many users here, when they REALLY do convince me of something, I change my opinion and my vote, if I haven't done it here yet, you should imagine why, right? I wouldn't be surprised if even telling you all this about me, you put things back in your next answer like "you lost just admit it" "you are a fanboy who doesn't know how to assume when his favorite character loses" "you ran out of arguments '' etc...

White Phoenix of the Crown It make me laugh hard... my friend... you just prove my words by offending yourself... but you don't want to look like you are offending... but i don't take that seriously... oh nice life story... but it's your fault to think that I just started debating just because I'm new on this site... but your life story nothing related to mine... no I'm not making joke...why don't you debate me about the topic ? If you still believe that?

I think only way to prove yourself by debating on topic I'm not actually interested in your life story(no offence again)...

Rune King Thor If you don't like my life story is an opinion, the opinions are respectable, I only told you that because what I know about you so far is so much like my past self, curious isn't it? And just so you know, at no time did I feel offended, at this point this kind of thing seems very common to me, you know, being called a fanboy, wanker, sarcastic imitations etc... of that, at some point it seemed that he was GoInG tO cRy? haha. Plus for now, I'm debating with someone more in BVW so I don't think I'd have the time to retake this topic, sorry.

White Phoenix of the Crown I didn't said anything about your life story, i just said I'm not in interested
... you said "you don't know me who i am" i asked you "tell me who you are" you told me life story but i still don't know who you are...

I'm not interested in off topic so if you still feels like RKT can win, or maybe you collect information... then you can come hare and debate with me...i feels like some of my words hurt your feelings, if it's does then i apologie

Note: You can Come hare and debate me again if you still think RKT wins. No off topic.

Thank You

White Phoenix of the Crown @MrJeager
1. True Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are completely transcendent of reality in every aspect. These forms are 1-A in nature, as they are beyond all spatial and temporal dimensional constructs and all of reality merely "participate" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the form of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of reality. These concepts must exist prior to and after the existence of any object of the concept.

2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.

3. Aristotelian Concept: Such concepts are abstract and govern all reality. These concepts shape everything, and changing them would either require the alteration of every object of the concept or, if manipulated directly, change all objects of the concept alongside the concept itself. These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept. In this way, an abstract Aristotelian Concept can be destroyed by destroying all objects of the concept, restored by re-making an object of a previously existent concept, or changed by changing all objects of the concept across reality. This, however, does not qualify for this form of conceptual manipulation, and is rather treated as a byproduct of another action akin to a "domino effect". This type of conceptual manipulation can only be obtained if the abstract concept itself is changed directly, and not by indirect methods. For example, destroying humanity and thus "ending the concept of humanity" would not qualify, while directly "ending the concept of humanity" and thus destroying humanity would qualify.

These are the diffrences,dc has type 1 concepts and marvel concepts are type 3,therefore no marvel concept manipulator scales to dc conceps manipulators.

Rune King Thor @Oblivian Well all that's interesting but I don't think concepts and their types are the only thing you've to take into account to know how powerful a character is at that scale...

Rune King Thor How do you insert images in comments?

White Phoenix of the Crown
True yggdrasil contain the realm of toaa and RKT destroyed the true yggdrasil

White Phoenix of the Crown @CosmicKingThor First of all, RKT DIDN'T destroy yggdrasil. He just ended the Ragnarok cycle.
Second in RKT's comic ITSELF you have a map of yggdrasil and it is nowhere near a multiverse or even a universe.


It is funny how people think that yggdrasil is the omniverse when in RKT's comic itself you have a map proving it isn't even the universe 616, and RKT didn't even destroy it.

White Phoenix of the Crown You and your this scan doesn't prove anything and yggdrasial is already ended by rkt ny one shot

White Phoenix of the Crown Yes I prove because it is from RKT's comic itself. Yggdrasil didn't end. If RKT destroyed the so called ''omniverse'' then how didn't anything get destroyed? And yggdrasil is not the omniverse. It is inside universe 616.

Rune King Thor Rune king thor wins.

Rune King Thor Proof?

White Phoenix of the Crown @Tahsin LMAO dear brother you proving yourself fanboy nothing more than that because you claims by yourself that who exist outside is outerversal LOL I'm so amazed that then WPOTC exist outside of all reality, she is outside of all time space, creation and even oblivion, LOL even Eternity, Oblivion etc kneeled before her.

And no you saying what ? You are very funny my friend, your own theory debunking yourself. You yourself debunking yourself.

Rune King Thor @UNKNOWN_ Why didn't you vote?

White Phoenix of the Crown @Taurus which one should i vote?

Rune King Thor I have no clue myself, but you said that him saying that RKT makes him look bad.

White Phoenix of the Crown @Taurus because his claims are something like that, he claiming that TWSAIS are outerversal because they exist on outside/oblivion

Rune King Thor Okay I guess.

Rune King Thor @Taurus First of all rkt has one shoted the Yggdrasil and Yggdrasil contains infinite universes and it is a quantum metaverse It also encompasses structures beyond the following view points:•Einstein Rose
•Morris-Thorne
•Quantum-Brane-Cosmological (Higher Dimensions)
•If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil:1.Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.
2.All the fabric of reality will crash ,
-. If the tree that bind all to come to harm, dire wouldst the result be. Were the merest branch severed, unmoored wouldst the ends worlds and heavens be.,-. Even Elder God Seth has TRIED to destroy all the infinite plans of time and space by destroying the main root of yggdrasil,,,, Yggdrasil also contains the whole omniverse , Yggdrasil also contains every stories in marvel ,The world tree spans the space and time, growing in directions of which we can scarcely conceive.,The core of Yggdrasil is the heart of everything. ,The Tree Connects all life.,And the birth of life and the mythologies and religions coincide with science, that all life came from one source, be it single-cell life or the body of a giant,The Tree is impoissibly vast. Its span in beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept.,It’s the fountainhead of all being. It holds all that is, all that was, and all that will ever be in its astral bowers. Thor rode on time itself on the World Tree’s back,Trying to carve something out of the trunk of the Yggdrasil would end all of creation.,Here it is also said that Yggdrasil encompasses the Living Tribunal, while living tribunal is much more stronger than phoenix force. Now don't tell me Living tribunal kneel infront of phoenix force. That was just an avatar of living tribunal

Rune King Thor @UNKNOWN_ Kid are you brain dead or high. Now what the fuck you think as yourself?? A celebraty or a man who has vast knowlege in everything. Lmao. You mean whatever I say is completely wrong and whatever you say is completely right. Again when did I said that TWSAIS's are outerversal because they exist in oblivion? And didn't I showed the proof where multi eternity confronting that he outside is beyond his influence. Didn't I showed you the proof that LB Galactus who is an multiversal entity can't survive in the outside . Again where was your brain at that time? Are you blind? Go blame your family for that not me. Again I told you TWSAIS are outerversal because they feed on house of ideas. Even I also showed the proof. Again where was your dumb ass at time? Even I know that you even never heard the name of house of ideas in your whole life? How will you know? You are a guy who never read comics LMAO. You just ignore my scans and read your own imagination. Again do you have any time heard the name of plantonic concepts, narrative concepts, aristetolian concepts. Oh I forgot that you are immature child who has no knowledge over marvel. Again your every scans are of @DARK_CROWN , oh I am sorry I forgot that you are @DARK_CROWN . And @UNKNOWN_ is your second account. I know your secret and I will inform galactus to remove such kind of virus from the website. Again can't you read my fucking scans before barking here like dogs. Oh my bad I forgot that you are illiterate. Again I everytime saw you voting against rkt. You voted to doctor manhattan in rkt vs doctor manhattan while in doctor manhattan vs galactus you voted to galactus while odin is comparable to galactus. And this is proving that you are nothing more than a fucking hater of thor. You think I can't see that? I don't know which type of psychopath you are? And also I don't feel bad when someone tells me "fanboy". Do you know who told other's fanboy? Any immature illiterate child like you . You are nothing more than a hypocrite who is illiterate but still acts like a tough guy. Get lost bitch.

Rune King Thor @Tahsin I could tell that you know your stuff, yet at the same time sometimes you twist things to fit the way you want to see it. How is RKT one-shotting Yggdrasil different than Hulk one-shotting TOBA?

Rune King Thor @Taurus First of all we were talking on white phoenix of the crown vs rune king thor and the winner is rkt because of destroying the Yggdrasil . BTW hulk actually didn't one shoted toba. Toba even didn't wanted to kill hulk. He just wanted to possess hulk. And even he did it . Read immortal hulk issue#24&25. By the way why didn't you voted to anyone?

Rune King Thor @Tahsin Ik, but could that possibly be an outlier? Is it only because of that?
I didn't vote anyone because its not clear to me yet. I'm probably voting RKT tho.

Rune King Thor @Taurus Maybe. By the way what is not clear to you?

Rune King Thor @Tahsin I'm voting RKT.

Rune King Thor Rune King Thor Universal?!?!

White Phoenix of the Crown White Phoenix is omniversal btw. This isn't even a fight. This is a spite !

Rune King Thor Universal rkt lmfao 🤣

White Phoenix of the Crown Ikr.

White Phoenix of the Crown Indeed.

Rune King Thor Agreed.

Rune King Thor Why do you keep grouping up anyone who disagrees with you to have been with SirSpidey. I don't even know who that is

Rune King Thor @Tyr just read my paragraph on rune king thor please and tell me if you still think he's as low as you put him, also SirSpidey is why many hate RKT

White Phoenix of the Crown Screw him, he's just a kid who gets his rocks off on w*nking Thor to pluto

Rune King Thor @MrIncongnito You know sirspidey?

White Phoenix of the Crown Yes, he's the reason why i joined this site. His arguments were so full of crap and hypocrisy that i made my own account just to respond to him.

White Phoenix of the Crown @Mr_Incognito Yeah, there's no doubt on that.

Rune King Thor Because it's the WPC. This should go without saying.

Rune King Thor @EmptyHand Who is sirspidey ?
@Tyrannus Rkt stomps here.

Rune King Thor I changed my vote

White Phoenix of the Crown Agreed

White Phoenix of the Crown she destoy him or end in sex

White Phoenix of the Crown Agreed again✌️✌️

White Phoenix of the Crown In which comic did Thor oneshot Cap's shield?

White Phoenix of the Crown Now it's balanced again.

Rune King Thor @Joe Thanks. It is how everything should be

White Phoenix of the Crown No

Rune King Thor PFFT HAHAHAHAHA! @Galagatus Phoenix blinks

White Phoenix of the Crown That's an extreme no-limits fallacy. How is RKThor supposed to change the outcome of this fight, especially when White Phoenix is vastly stronger?

White Phoenix of the Crown RKT is not the strongest version of thor. It is Old King Phoenix Thor.

Rune King Thor @Dean is right

Rune King Thor Good now shes ahead

White Phoenix of the Crown Not anymore.

Rune King Thor WHYYY???

White Phoenix of the Crown FiVe BeYoNdErS

Rune King Thor HE NEVER TANKED 5 BEYONDERS

White Phoenix of the Crown Loki refers to TOWSAIS as ivory kings.

White Phoenix of the Crown He actually doesn't, TWSAIS merely mimic the quotes of The Beyonder, which is not enough evidence to say that they are Beyonders.

White Phoenix of the Crown He would struggle against Dark Phoenix.

White Phoenix of the Crown Explain how @MightyObika100

Rune King Thor easily he destroyed multiverse

White Phoenix of the Crown RKThor did not destroy a multiverse. He destroyed nine universes. Also White Phoenix = Phoenix Force and White Phoenix restored the multiverse.

White Phoenix of the Crown When did he do that @MightyObika100?