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Thor Thor's striking feats are above Sentry's, he also seems to better durability feats. Sentry is undeniably faster though. In their fights, Thor has snapped Sentry's neck, and split his skull with one shot. Thor also contended with Death Seed Sentry who is far above regular Sentry. This also supports the thought that in most of Thor's earth based feats he doesn't go all out. We have really only ever seen Thor go all out a couple of times, where he shows better feats than the Sentry ever did.

As for the Sentry, he is probably the most inconsistent character in Marvel, and some of his feats put him above Thor, but most place him below him

Hulk does have resistance to all that, especially mind control. Prof. X cant control him if I remember correctly.

As for Sidious, Loki has fooled unfoolable beings with cosmic awareness and Cosmic awareness>>>force sense.

Hulk has resistance to reality warping.

Not gonna lie the Sidious fight is hard, but Loki is physically superior, and has magic has fooled higher beings than Sidious before. He has encased people in ice stronger than steel with as snap of his fingers, curbstomped Beta-Ray BIll with energy attacks (likely outlier) and fooled Surtur with decoys.

Acutally I just checked Loki's feats, really impressive, he might win this one.

Presumably these characters are in character, and Yoda would not do that.
Sidious?

I know about the Nihilus thing. The Hulk universe feat has been done several times and is his base form. The vaporization feat is not.

Similar deal for Darksied save that I think Grandmaster luke is more likely to win that one as people overrate Darksied and grandmaster Luke is pretty ridiculous.

Hulk vs Darth Vader and Hulk vs Yoda basically comes down to how quickly they use the force for battlefield removal. Otherwise they have no chance. The hulk has vaporized planets with the shock waves from his blows and torn reality apart with his fists, but if they push him away, into space, well, he cant fly can he?

Again, I'm not saying your wrong. It's just that one of my greatest personal weaknesses is that I form opinions super fast, I'm trying to work on that. So while I cannot refute anything your saying, I'm just going to check that. you make a great argument though.

Is their a friend function on Superherodb, this is my third day on the sight (or second, I forget)

Mmmm... Not a big fan of that ABC logic but I agree he is more powerful than both soooo idk? I'm hesitant because I haven't seen anyone else advocating for such high rankings. I presume that these are only high end showings and we have to take into account low end ones as well.

Idk, I trust you on legends, I'm that rare cannon fan that likes that a lot of the higher end feats are gone. Not sure about the cannon rankings, how did you get Obi-Wan so high?
Also, how do you post images within a comment?

tbh I dont think the stat system on the site works well for sw characters. Obi Wan, when you put his stats in, is only 11k, but could still challenge Vader, who, when you put his stats in is hundreds of times more powerful.

I just think that the SW universe emphasizes skill and intelligence more than raw power in their fights. They are more important than in Marvel, DC, and most Animes.
So if their stats are low, thats just because their undervalued on a sight built for characters from different universes.

Just a bit of a warning, I think you rate the raw power of these characters as a bit higher than I do.

I just did ustats for a lot of these characters if you want to check. Darth Vader (Legends) is in a good place, Vader cannon, considering he has trapped peoples souls in a half life, and all the other stuff we've talked about, he would have 500k+ at tier 6 or even 7 considering he broke dimensional barriers.

Palps would have (canon) just about 20-25k, on par with legends Vader, in legends he would have 500-600k.

Yoda is weird because physical stats bring down his overall score, but he has held back falling mountains, and more, he would be around 20-30K. I'm not too familiar with his legends counterpart.

Obi-Wan would be 11-25k

Iron Man & Thor he could, but only because Cap is such a nonfactor.

Iron Man & Thor Thor is the strongest one here, Hulk, the second strongest, Iron Man the third strongest, and Cap the weakest. Its pretty clear who wins here.

Cap is valuable as a leader but Hulk is too chaotic for that to make much of an effect, and Tony and Thor have an underrated bromance and have fought well together many times.

Nobody, once the highest tier comes into combat, its just mutually assured destruction

Team Magneto Nah, Doom is a worse magician than Strange (ever so slightly) but he knows magic limited to gods and is more willing to use magic to the greatest extent possible, so in practice they're somewhat equal.

Thor Happy to from 10-2 tomorrow US eastern time, just can't rn

Darth Vader wow, run on sentence.

Darth Vader Oh, hey Galactus!

Anyways, we have seen the limits of the other characters, but not Vader because the only times he has lost a one on one saber duel was against his son, and he loved his son so he could not use the dark side properly and was just holding back in general.

Darth Vader Lucas said that he had 80% of Palps power, and in legends that still means a lot.

There was actually a buildup to a civil war in the Empire with DV on one side the EP on the other. He totally could have overthrown Palps, he just needed to be sure that the Empire would follow him.

Darth Vader I agree with almost everything you said.
Obi Wan is horribly underrated, in terms of a duelist, and as a force user. Additionally, I'm not saying that the others could not do what Vader has done, just that there is nothing in canon to say that the character statements about Vader are incorrect, and multiple feats support the statements. To put it another way, we haven't seen Vader's upper limit, so the statements are more convincing.

Team Rhino The only challenges for team hulk are Doomsday and Juggernaut, Abomination also might do something but I doubt it. This is not as balanced a fight as the vote shares would make it seem.

Darth Vader pretty sure that it was also referring to his time as Anakin and if I was basing my argument around that single feat it would be useless as Kirak Infil'a is featless save for a character statement. However, that is not his most impressive duel. In a training round he takes on something like 6 or more Inquisitors if I remember correctly and defeats them all without difficulty. Scailing that against other characters, Maul and Ahsoka, both of whom are just below the top tier of Obi Wan and the like, take on two Inquisitors with similar ease. This scales well in relation to my claim I agree with you on Eath Koth, and I admit that a lot of this rides on character statements. All I am saying is that his feats, while not the most common or impressive, do support the character statements about his skill to a degree, therefore I am inclines to believe them.

This is a great debate btw lol. I got on this website just for this reason.

Darth Vader Now we're just going back and forth lol.
Vader is a better combatant than all you mentioned. Sure most of what we have to go off of is character statements, but the exceptions are notable.
He curbstomps Eeth Koth and barely defeated Kirak Infil'a (right after Mustafar, at the low of his power), a rogue jedi stated to be more powerful than any Vader had faced, and Vader had faced my favorite Star Wars character, and underrated Jedi extraordinaire, Obi Wan Kenobi. In addition to that he has defeated Momin, every single Inquisitor at once, the Grand Inquisitor alone, and in visions of the future, Palpatine himself.

Vader is unparalleled as a saber wielder.

Darth Vader In canon Lucas's words mean little for better or worse. Cannon has already directly contradicted what he has said about the SW universe.

Darth Vader I haven't seen anything from Vader in legends to suggest that.

Darth Vader Vader is slower but more skillful and physically stronger. It is also stated multiple times in canon that he got STRONGER after Mustafar in every way, including that his loss had strengthened his connection to the Dark Side.

Vader has also casually defeated council members, and in a vision of what would happen if he turned against Palpatine he won, which is backed up by other events that I can get into if you want.

Darth Vader Yeah, that is what I saw, thanks though. Again, he held back palps for a couple of seconds before being taken out. I really don't see what's so impressive. And again, Legends Vader lost to Starkiller.

This is cannon Vader, who is actually more powerful than Anakin

Stats are way too low, the exact same as Ezras.

Darth Vader I see, but I just watched the clip and it seems clear that Sidious is feigning being challenged untill the end, and then Starkilled puts up about as good a fight against him and Maul does after Opresses death. The difference is that this clash is force based, whereas Mauls is saber based. But perhaps I watched the wrong clip, could you send it to me?

Hey again! And this cannot be an unpopular opinion lol.

I mean, come on, this is pretty straightforward, Obi Wan is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and the best defensive duelist ever, and he's listed as weaker than Ezra Bridger???

These stats are disgustingly low... no offense to whoever did them, but you cannot tell me the Kenobi is weaker than EZRA.

We need an update.

Team Magneto I'm aware of those feats, and I agree it would be difficult for them to break through, but Thor has, and Bizzaro is almost of comparable strength, so I wouldn't put it beneath him to break through.

Captain Marvel (MCU) Comics cap doesn't have the power.

Darth Vader He is stated to be the best duelist in the Galaxy, and in visions of a possible future, he defeated Palpatine. His combative feats are likewise above those of Yoda's, Obi Wan's, and definentally Anakin, and he has stated that he has grown much more proficient with a lightsaber than during his time as Anakin.

Darth Vader Oh you're referring to Starkiller. Full disclosure, I have never played the games but I've looked at Starkillers feats, and I think you overrate him a bit. But before I talk about that, I want to give review just how impressive the opening dimensions feat is. He forced open a dimension that was being held shut, physically breaking dimensional barriers, not working with them.
Additionally, his next two feats are also more impressive than anything Starkiller did. When he holds back planetary oceans, he is holding back more force than Starkiller used to bring down the Star Destroyer. Additionally, when he cracks the crust of Mustafar and calls up lava to destroy local resistance, that is stronger than anything Starkiller did.

Finally, on to Starkiller who, with the exception of his repulses and bringing down the Star Destroyer, never displayed power above the level of Season 7 Maul, who was, of course, immensely powerful. And in addition to that, he actually defeated Vader, so even if he was as strong as you say he is, Vader would not be stronger, he would be weaker.

Darth Vader I should also clarify that he has never been challenged in one on one combat at his peak for reasons mentioned in my first post.

Darth Vader I realize that this is an unpopular opinion on this sight, and its understandable why as the characters are generally less powerful than their legends counterparts but Vader is the exception. To reiterate, he has never been challenged in one on one combat, the reason why Vader has no feats to scale directly against the one you gave is he hasn't fought a Multi-Galactic being.
So scaling them where the do have feats that can be compared is much more useful. Legends Vaders best telekinetic feat was bringing down a large building, while in canon he has held at bay planetary oceans of water and of lava on three separate occasions, this is a much more impressive feat.
In legends he was stated to be less powerful than Anakin and 80% of what Palpatine is, whereas in cannon he has been stated to have grown much more powerful in the force than Anakin, surpassing even Palpatine at his peak, if visions on the future, and countless character statements are to be believed.
I could go on but I think you get my point.

Darth Vader Honestly, the stats are good, the pictures are good, all they need to do is reverse the titles.

Also, in cannon he is stated to be the best lightsaber duelist of all time.

Darth Vader I find it funny that the Darth Vader (Cannon) picture is from legends, and the Darth Vader (legends) picture is from cannon.

Aside from that though Darth Vader in cannon is much more powerful than he was in legends. He has overcome Sidious, ripped AT-AT's apart several times, cracked planets crust, and even forced open dimensional barriers. Nobody challenges him if he can properly use the dark side against them (so Luke and Ahsoka, who he loves, nerf him because he cannot channel hate against them). They win maybe 7-/10

Obi-Wan Kenobi This sight really undersells Kenobi. I mean, you don't defeat Maul, Maul and Opress, Grievous, Anakin, and Darth Vader through luck.
And how is Anakin listed as smarter??? That is what made Obi Wan win. He fights smart where he cannot win through strength along. He takes this 7-8/10 times.

Spider-Man I really don't like downvoting unless people are being disrespectful, and this is ridiculous.

That said, how is a fight between a man that can knock people out with a flick, rip buildings in half, and move faster than Hawkeye can see, lose, much less be stomped by Batman??

Spider-Man They cannot track Spider-Man.

Spider-Man People underrate Spider-Man severely on this sight lol.

He can move faster than Deadool can see, punch literal holes in him, and when they have fought, Spidey has curbstomped Wade again and again.

Thor A lot of Batman fans seem confused. Batman is good with prep-time because the characters in his universe have specific weaknesses. Marvel characters generally do not have said weaknesses, and Thor certainly doesn't. He has no Kryptonite, no chains from a man, no color yellow.

You cannot stop Thor unless you are of similar power to him, Batman is not.

Scarlet Witch https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.spacebattles.com%2Fthreads%2Fscarlet-witch-vs-thor-odinson.551108%2F&psig=AOvVaw3Fnc6GUkYjNUoeNZWlnMxT&ust=1613050401592000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLCMupS33-4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAr

Thats the scan I'm talking about. And I want to make it clear that Thor's much more powerful than superman, Superman is just faster, thats what makes the fight between those two difficult. But in terms of strength, durability, energy manipulation, and striking power, Thor reigns supreme.

Scarlet Witch Wanda has no illusions to how powerful she is, and knows when she can and cannot win a fight through raw power. We see this when she fights Thor while weakened.
Even if Superman proved to have too much power she could just do what she did to Thor, remove him from the battlefield.

Well thanks lol