spartanparty

Just a bit of a warning, I think you rate the raw power of these characters as a bit higher than I do.

I just did ustats for a lot of these characters if you want to check. Darth Vader (Legends) is in a good place, Vader cannon, considering he has trapped peoples souls in a half life, and all the other stuff we've talked about, he would have 500k+ at tier 6 or even 7 considering he broke dimensional barriers.

Palps would have (canon) just about 20-25k, on par with legends Vader, in legends he would have 500-600k.

Yoda is weird because physical stats bring down his overall score, but he has held back falling mountains, and more, he would be around 20-30K. I'm not too familiar with his legends counterpart.

Obi-Wan would be 11-25k

tbh I dont think the stat system on the site works well for sw characters. Obi Wan, when you put his stats in, is only 11k, but could still challenge Vader, who, when you put his stats in is hundreds of times more powerful.

I just think that the SW universe emphasizes skill and intelligence more than raw power in their fights. They are more important than in Marvel, DC, and most Animes.
So if their stats are low, thats just because their undervalued on a sight built for characters from different universes.

I'll change your mind.
Obi-Wan is multi-sola system because he is MUCH mor powerful than all padawand together. Here is a feat of a padawan destroying a planet and creating a Star.


Obi-Wan, Vader, Yoda and Sidious are more powerful than Naga Sadow who destroyed several Solar Systems






Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, Darth Sidious and Yoda are much more powerful than this low class Jedi, who with a single force push took a fleet of 70 Star Destroyers out of a solar system in seconds


I'd say in canon:
Obi-Wan - 100k
Yoda - 150k
Darth Vader - 100k
Darth Sidious - 250k (He has a lot of hax)

I'd say in legends
Obi-Wan - 150k
Darth Vader - 300k
Yoda - 400k
Darth Sidious 500k
Darth Sidious (Dark Empire) - 14M - I added him to the site

One of Naga Sadow's images destroying a solar system didn't load so here's the link.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/48/Nagashipdestruct.JPG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20081205062430

You also said that Vader should be tier 7, I disagree. To be tier 7 the character must have an attack pontecy at a multi-universal level. Vader in canon has an attack potency at a galactic level at the very best.

Also in the book ''The Comedy of Darth Sidious'', when Darth Sidious was a sith aprentice and his master was Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious' power made this:
''Sidious' power caused the stars themselves to shake and flare, and constellations to align in new configurations which defied their orbits''
By that time he was only a sith aprentice, now he is MUCH more powerful.
Here is the proof: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sheev_Palpatine

So is this enough to change your mind about Obi-Wan etc. ?

Idk, I trust you on legends, I'm that rare cannon fan that likes that a lot of the higher end feats are gone. Not sure about the cannon rankings, how did you get Obi-Wan so high?
Also, how do you post images within a comment?

Click here, there is all the information you need.

Also, Obi-Wan scales above Anakin who is more powerful than Mace windu in comics, who is already solar system level

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Mmmm... Not a big fan of that ABC logic but I agree he is more powerful than both soooo idk? I'm hesitant because I haven't seen anyone else advocating for such high rankings. I presume that these are only high end showings and we have to take into account low end ones as well.

Ok, but Obi-Wan is more powerful than all padawans and a padawan destroyed a planet and created a star

Again, I'm not saying your wrong. It's just that one of my greatest personal weaknesses is that I form opinions super fast, I'm trying to work on that. So while I cannot refute anything your saying, I'm just going to check that. you make a great argument though.

Is their a friend function on Superherodb, this is my third day on the sight (or second, I forget)

Ok, np, by the way, I added you to my favourite users

Tell me something, what do you think about this battles?
Darth Vader vs Hulk
Yoda vs Hulk
Grand Master Skywalker vs Darkseid

Hulk vs Darth Vader and Hulk vs Yoda basically comes down to how quickly they use the force for battlefield removal. Otherwise they have no chance. The hulk has vaporized planets with the shock waves from his blows and torn reality apart with his fists, but if they push him away, into space, well, he cant fly can he?

Similar deal for Darksied save that I think Grandmaster luke is more likely to win that one as people overrate Darksied and grandmaster Luke is pretty ridiculous.

''Hulk vs Darth Vader and Hulk vs Yoda basically comes down to how quickly they use the force for battlefield removal. Otherwise they have no chance. The hulk has vaporized planets with the shock waves from his blows and torn reality apart with his fists, but if they push him away, into space, well, he cant fly can he?''
Those feats you said aren't from Base Hulk, and that fight is Base Hulk vs Yoda. Yoda can force freeze hulk, he can even manipulate hulks mind and say to hulk kill himself, yoda can also manipulate matter at a subatomic level, Hulk has no resistence against it. So can you change your vote in the battle Yoda vs Hulk?


''Similar deal for Darksied save that I think Grandmaster luke is more likely to win that one as people overrate Darksied and grandmaster Luke is pretty ridiculous.''
Grand Master Skywalker in legends become nigh-omnipresent using the ability onenes with the force, he basicly use force ghost while alive, he also is much faster than Darkseid, and he is at least 4 times stronger than Darth Sidious from Dark Empire who absorved the power of all of the Jedi that where born before 11 ABY. GM Luke is easly complex Multiversal level, he also manipulated several black holes with 91,000 times the size of earth. His best feat was defeating the Avatar of Abeloth with help.

Luke also managed to take Abeloth's avatar's Force Pushes, becoming the very essence of an immovable object that not even the explosion of a universe could move him.

By the way both Darth Sidious and Yoda are more powerful than Darth Nihilus who was going to destroy the universe (draining its vital energy) only by existing.

I know about the Nihilus thing. The Hulk universe feat has been done several times and is his base form. The vaporization feat is not.

Ok, but Hulk doesn't have resistence against molecular manipulation at a subatomic level and Mind control, Yoda can just say to hulk for him to go kill himself and then Yoda wins. Hulk has no resistence to the force because The Force >>> Physical strength.

Also who would win between Darth Sidious and Loki?

Presumably these characters are in character, and Yoda would not do that.
Sidious?

Acutally I just checked Loki's feats, really impressive, he might win this one.

Yoda has opened and edited holocrons, to do that you need matter manipulation at a subatomic level. How can Loki win against Sidious?

Hulk has resistance to reality warping.

Not gonna lie the Sidious fight is hard, but Loki is physically superior, and has magic has fooled higher beings than Sidious before. He has encased people in ice stronger than steel with as snap of his fingers, curbstomped Beta-Ray BIll with energy attacks (likely outlier) and fooled Surtur with decoys.

Loki can fool Sidious due to his telepathic powers, and due to his brain disease, which makes him immute to such attacks.
May be Hulk has resistance to reality warping, but not base Hulk, even so he doesn't have resistence against force freeze, mind contral and matter manipulation at a subatomic level. Also Hulk doesn't have resistence against the for it self. The Hulk healing factor cannot save him.

Hulk does have resistance to all that, especially mind control. Prof. X cant control him if I remember correctly.

As for Sidious, Loki has fooled unfoolable beings with cosmic awareness and Cosmic awareness>>>force sense.

Ok, but he can't fool sidious because of Sidious' brain. Also were are the scans of Prof X cannont control Hulk and Yoda's mind control >>> Prof X's mind control.
Also I know hulk and he defenitly doesn't have resistence against matter manipulation at a subatomic level. I think that not even Dr. Manhatan has matter manipulation at a subatomic level. Also Yoda is faster and how can you prove that Hulk has resistence against force Frieze and against telekinetic powers at a galactic-universal level

If Yoda uses force freeze against Hulk, Hulk cannot move and then Yoda wins easily.

I would give Elsa a chance if her greatest weakness was not her emotional vulnerability and instability. Because of that, Freddy wins.

And btw, who are you? Do you just message people who are online? If so thats cool, I'm just curious.

Well thanks lol

I think thats its difficult but Black Widow comes out on top. People consistently underrate her fighting ability, acrobatics skill, and even raw strength. Its a difficult fight, but BW wins.