LordTracer
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LordTracer
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Optimus Prime (Alternity) Durability = Strength, first of all. Second of all, Optimus and Megatron are faster than light. I give FTL characters a 100 in speed. Megatron was the greatest gladiator in the pits of Kaon, he gets a 100 in combat. Optimus is comparable to him, but very slightly inferior in sheer skill. So 95.
LordTracer
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Optimus Prime (Alternity) That's not overrated then. That's underrated. Also that's not a question.
LordTracer
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Goku You do realize the only people who think that are a very small minority, right?
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Goku Bardock is a vastly better character, but Goku absolutely no-diffs him in terms of power.
LordTracer
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Optimus Prime (Alternity) Sure, what's your question?
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Optimus Prime (Alternity) Alternity Optimus isn't technology anymore, he's just a tenth-dimensional entity. He simply appears in a similar way to his normal counterparts.
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Team Galactus The Lifebringer solos.
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Anti-Monitor I literally acknowledged Spectre beating Zor, or did you miss that? Both have beaten the other, that says they're comparable. Meanwhile SS Zatanna has destroyed Zor. That at the very least puts her on the same level as Spectre and Zor, so your claims that she's nothing to Spectre are incorrect. You didn't use your own reasoning, you gave a list which you agree is at least partially inaccurate, so that doesn't even work. And your reasoning is faulty, you didn't acknowledge any of the characters I mentioned at all. But since you admit Lucifer and Michael are superior to The Spectre, let me break it down how everyone I listed is also superior to The Spectre.

First off, Mazikeen. She literally has Lucifer's power. Throughout the entirety of the 2016 Lucifer series, she has his power and is equal to him. Oh yeah, and even before getting Lucifer's powers, she was able to fight against a fully powered Michael Demiurgos alongside Gabriel Hornblower. Mazikeen = Lucifer > Spectre.

Next up, Gabriel Hornblower. Gabriel is comparable to both Lucifer and Michael. So that immediately puts him above The Spectre. Also for a time Gabriel wielded a weapon made by The Presence himself, and said weapon allowed him to damage The Presence.

Next, The Endless. Death of the Endless alone was stated in a guidebook to be more than a match for Lucifer in willpower.

Lucifer himself explicitly said she's inevitable.

And as Michael died, Death was able to claim him.



Ah, and she also claimed Destiny of the Endless.

Destiny's book can't be taken by Michael, btw, and all existence is in his book.


Destiny is also the source of The Basanos' power, and Mazikeen (who as said above equals Lucifer) considers them dangerous.

And last, but not least, Elaine Belloc. Elaine is God. Presence literally gave her his position as God.

Lucifer implied that Elaine could defeat the Dark Presence, who equals the original Presence.

And finally, she restored all of Lucifer's power. With ease.

So yeah. Mazikeen, Gabriel Hornblower, The Endless and Elaine Belloc are all vastly stronger than The Spectre.
LordTracer
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Team Wonder Woman (Witching Hour) Just saying, Odin could have erased Yggdrasil out of existence. There's only nine universes on it, that's not a very impressive feat.
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Team Iron Man (MCU) Uh, yeah, this is Classic 616 Strange... even if the other team had 616 Thanos, they'd still lose.
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Team Iron Man (MCU) Well this isn't fair. Doctor Strange alone, without the Time Gem, was able to briefly 1v1 Thanos with four Infinity Gems. That alone puts him above Hela. And in this battle, Strange has two Time Gems on top of his base power. He solos this, handily.
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not voted I said Regulator Thanos, not regular Thanos. If you've read Infinity Conflict, you'd know what I'm referring to. Also TOAA's own statements prove he isn't omnipotent, so...
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Dormammu (MCU) Incorrect, it was explicitly said in Doctor Strange that there is one.
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not voted *facepalm* I literally just said no fictional being is truly omnipotent, why are you reiterating it? FICTIONAL omnipotence on the other hand, is a thing. @Dark_Wing

Not anymore he's not. And I could even argue that Oblivion is stronger than Pre-Retcon TOAA. @Clint_Barton
LordTracer
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not voted If you really want to be hyper-literal like that, no fictional character is omnipotent because they cannot interact with the real world. But in the context of fiction, being retconned prevents omnipotence. And you can't assume that what TOAA said that because THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO ASSUME THAT. There is nothing that even implies that was the case, that's entirely just your headcanon.
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Team It (Deadlights) Azathoth solos.
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not voted @Clint_Barton TOAA also says the mystery intrigues him, meaning there are things that are mysteries to him, meaning he isn't omniscient, therefore meaning he is not omnipotent. And the fact that he's even capable of being retconned proves he isn't omnipotent. Honestly, I think you need to look up what omnipotence is, considering that you think omnipotence isn't all about power when it's very definition is all-powerful, or having unlimited power. Also the supposedly omnipotent TOAA doesn't understand human emotion.

He's not omniscient, and therefore not omnipotent.
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LordTracer
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not voted Yes, I'm aware of what TOAA says that proves he isn't omniscient, I don't know why you're reiterating that.
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Optimus Prime (Alternity) This version of Optimus is a tenth-dimensional entity, Ultron is literally several infinities below him.
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not voted Jack Kirby was TOAA in that issue, TOAA still isn't omnipotent, next.
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not voted Why the hell are you bringing up either of them? They're irrelevant right now. And you're incorrect, DC has The Writer.
LordTracer
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Gorr The God Butcher Gorr defeated three Thors, one of which was Old King Thor, who is superior to Odin.
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not voted No offense, but you don't know what omnipotent means. The very definition of omnipotence is all powerful. There can only be one omnipotent being. Odin is not omnipotent, Galactus is not either, and they never have been omnipotent. Marvel simply does not have an omnipotent being.
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Beyonder Yeah, any version of Post-Retcon Beyonder still bodies Odin.
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not voted That was Pre-Retcon TOAA. And if there was no mysteries to TOAA, he would not refer to anything as a mystery. Ergo, not omniscient, and therefore, not omnipotent.
LordTracer
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not voted The One-Above-All said there are things that are mysteries to him.

That means he isn't omniscient, because omniscient know everything and there are no mysteries to them. To be omnipotent, he would have to be omniscient as well. But since he isn't omniscient, he is not omnipotent. That scan is from the end of The Ultimates #100, by the way.
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LordTracer
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Eternity Or you could just, I don't know, not comment on a ten month old comment as if it's recent?
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not voted The One-Above-All is not omnipotent, and can therefore be defeated. And if you take a look at Post-Retcon TOAA, he's already been shown to be weaker than Regulator Thanos.
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Anti-Monitor Yes, obviously Unbound Spectre would not get clapped by Parallax. Literally nobody said Parallax would defeat Unbound Spectre, the entire point is that Jim Corrigan Spectre has consistently gotten his ass kicked by Parallax.

You say Zatanna is nothing to Spectre, yet ignore the fact that Zor is comparable to Spectre and Zatanna destroyed Zor. Spectre being "God's Wrath" is a title, it doesn't mean anything. That's like saying because Thanos calls himself God, he's omnipotent now. Your "point" is irrelevant. Zor didn't beat Spectre via gear or prep. It was sheer power alone. And then SS Zatanna beat Zor, via sheer power alone. Even if Spectre has beaten Zor, that just shows they're comparable because both have defeated the other. The comics are saying SS Zatanna > Zor = Spectre.

Assumptions nothing, I gave actual feats and facts from the comics. The only person assuming things is you, because you have not once disproved the concrete fact that Mazikeen, Gabriel Hornblower, The Endless and Elaine Belloc are superior to The Spectre. Honestly, do you even know who these characters are? Because your only reasoning is just assuming Spectre is stronger, because he's "gOd's wRaTh." And if you do know these character, you should be perfectly capable of forming your own reasoning as to how The Spectre is superior to them, with feats and actual evidence. Because at this moment, you've done none of that. You absolutely did concede Spectre isn't the third strongest, you acknowledged that The Presence, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos are superior to The Spectre. That's three people superior to The Spectre, meaning that The Spectre can at most be fourth place. That site is very clearly incorrect for numerous reasons such as:
1. Superman and The Flash are on the list, but superior beings such as Hal Jordan, Captain Atom and Shazam are not. All three that I just listed have better feats than both Superman and Flash.
2. There's literally only three characters from Vertigo, which factually has the strongest characters in DC. I hope you actually know what Vertigo is.
3. The rankings within the list are incorrect, and there is absolutely no evidence given to support them. No feats, no comic issues, no nothing.
Also I don't know what nonsense you're on, I've given the whole ass comic issues, which is better than a scan. You know who hasn't given any evidence at all though? You. You haven't once given a scan, you haven't once given a comic issue, you've simply assumed Spectre is superior to people that he is very much inferior to, and your only "reasoning" is some of the most neanderthalic and inane logic possible. So I'm going to ask, do you have any scans, comic issues, or actual evidence to prove your claims?
LordTracer
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not voted That is actually very false.
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Eternity I don't know, maybe cause it's human nature to change one's mind and replying to something that old as if it's current is pointless.
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Anti-Monitor Black Lantern Spectre is still Spectre... he simply has a Black Lantern Ring. Also you ignored the fact that Parallax was bodying Base Spectre until Star Sapphire came in to help Spectre separate Hal Jordan from Parallax. Parallax was literally about to kill Spectre.

Stop overlooking the fact that Batman always needs PREPARATION. It is not ever BASE Batman beating Superman level beings, it is Batman, prepared with Superman level TECH AND GEAR that lets him do that. Your entire point is invalid because Batman cannot do anything on Superman's tier via his own raw power, he always needs PREP TIME. Zor did not need prep to contend with The Spectre (also Spectre literally didn't beat Zor, Zor literally said "Time has made me your superior," so...). Because you clearly don't understand that Batman with prep is different than Batman without, let me explain it to you. Superman is superior to Base Batman by a literal infinite degree. Batman with PREP TIME (Justice Buster suit, Kryptonite, etc, etc.) is what's able to contend with Superman. Meanwhile, Base Zor, with no prep time, is able to contend with The Spectre. See the difference? One cannot perform an action in their BASE FORM, the other can. So once again, your Batman example is not equivalent. And even if Zor had lost to Spectre (and he didn't), Zatanna still destroyed Zor, and would therefore at least be equal to Spectre. So again, Spectre is nowhere near as strong as you think he is.

Wow, you just completely ignored literally everything I said in my last paragraph. Do you have any actual rebuttal to Mazikeen, Gabriel Hornblower, Elaine Belloc and The Endless being stronger than The Spectre? Also, you already conceded Spectre isn't the third strongest. You acknowledged that both Lucifer and Michael are superior to Spectre. Presence > Lucifer >= Michael > Spectre. Spectre ain't in third place, even in your basic scale that ignores the multitude of characters that would body Spectre. And I know damn well you don't expect me to take a list seriously when it considers THE FLASH and SUPERMAN as the fifteenth and fourteenth strongest characters in the entirety of DC when there's a multitude of cosmic beings, abstracts and Gods that could annihilate infinite amounts of both of them. Hell, there's even other beings on the Justice League far stronger than them both like Hal Jordan. But yeah, sure, you should absolutely take this list that gives no scans or actual evidence to support its ranking as absolute fact. Because that's definitely not utter stupidity.
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LordTracer
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Team Azathoth Uh, no. Everyone on team two solos.
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Darkseid & Thanos Darkseid should solo pretty easily.
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Team Silver Sable Spider-Man solos.
LordTracer
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Green Lantern In what world are Green Lanterns overrated? Hell, in what world is even Nova overrated?
LordTracer
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Elaine Belloc Joke fails horribly because Kevin Feige has never talked about 616 Captain Marvel.
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Darth Vader Literally nobody said Sidious threw the fight, the hell are you on? Anakin is not above either Yoda or Windu, he is at best equal to Windu (who Vader surpassed). Base Luke was threatening Sidious, not amped Luke, so again, more assistance towards the point that Luke is easily on the level of the top tier Clone Wars era Jedi. And the fact that Luke was keeping up with a suppressed RotJ Vader (who was very clearly trying), who is superior to Anakin in his prime, again shows that Luke > Anakin.

You do realize there's a whole ass year in between TESB and RotJ, right? It is perfectly logical (and factual) that Vader became much stronger. Also none of the feats you gave were actually TESB Vader. You can't use those feats because they aren't RotJ Vader, try again.

Yes, quoting what I said continues to prove that Vader was trying to defeat Luke and was unable to do so.

I gave the exact magazine and the exact quote, the hell? Go read it yourself. Also your point of what Vader would do ignores the fact that Sidious wanted Luke to take Vader's place, so your entire ultimatum is faulty and inapplicable.

You still have no actual evidence supporting he was only using half. If he was only using half, he would have been twice as powerful as Luke, which is completely nonsensical and unfounded. Meanwhile the actual fight itself, and pretty much all material that associates with it implies Vader is absolutely trying against Luke, and he would therefore have to be using over half his power.
LordTracer
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Heartstone No, the Justice League absolutely would not beat her.
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Lucifer Morningstar & Molecule Man Feats > statements.
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Team Lucifer Morningstar 1. Two parents create a child. The child can be stronger than them.
2. In the DCEU, Lex Luthor created Doomsday. Doomsday is very obviously stronger than Lex.
3. Earth-616, Hand Pym created Ultron. Ultron is very clearly superior to Pym.
I could list some more examples.
LordTracer
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Iron Fist Ignoring how in this fight, Danny does have his powers, Wick still wouldn't stand a chance. He physically scales to people like Captain America and has shown that he's comparable to the likes of Daredevil and Spider-Man in speed. Wick has nothing on Danny.
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Lucifer Morningstar & Molecule Man They're pretty much relative to each other, though Lucifer has shown superior feats. Also he killed Michael. So... yeah.
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Team Lucifer Morningstar Eh... that's not always true.
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Lucifer Morningstar & Molecule Man Lucifer Morningstar^ v. Michael Demiurgos
Molecule Man v. The Beyonder^
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Lucifer Morningstar^ v. The Beyonder
LordTracer
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Team Lucifer Morningstar Michael + Lucifer = Presence isn't confirmed to be fact, that's just theorized to be the case.
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Lifebringer Galactus Feats say Galactus bodies without even lifting a finger.
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not voted An incomplete Infinity Gauntlet one-shot the Ultimate Nullifier, which has one-shot Multi-Eternity. That is an infinite-dimensional feat, let alone fifth dimensional.
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Team Doctor Strange Agreed.
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You say that as if non-canon things aren't allowed here.