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Where's A Good Place to Start Reading DC?

Created by DarkProdigy, 3 y 5 mo 24 d ago.

From the beginning, Post-Crisis, Infinite Crisis, New 52 or Rebirth?

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Jongensoden
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Post crisis
soratoumiga
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Not that it matters, but DC is superior to Marvel.
Anyway, Rebirth is a good place to start.
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SirSpidey
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In what way is DC superior to Marvel? It's not like Marvel has had to do millions of reboots due to disorganization
ManofPower
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Reasons why DC is superior
1. Marvel kills off to much .
2. Marvel makes too many big advance DC doesn't do it like that maybe once or twice a year
3. Better characters . Superman and Batman are one of the most well known characters . The only Marvel character that could compare to Superman and Batman would be Spider-Man and he doesn't seem close to them
4. Better Comics how many times you got to keep green about Civil War before it starts to get boring DC comes out new stuff a lot but DC comes out with new stuff instead of civil war or that Outsource stuff like that I mean Marvel comes out with better movies but DC has anime action Comics video games television etc etc
5. Mario has copy dog DC so many times it's ridiculous not sure DCS copied off Marvel but come on they have four copies of Superman and even though some of the copies are more popular than the original is still Marvel copies of DC a lot I mean Marvel doesn't really come out with a lot of its original ideas
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#1) What do you mean? As I said, Marvel is not the one who is rebooting every other year
#2) What do you mean? You do realize DC has had 9 continuity reboots excluding the millions of individual character reboots DC implements on their most popular characters, right?
#3) Popularity does not equate to characters being better than other characters
#4) Until DC has an entire Age named after them, then can you say DC has better comics than Marvel. Until then, Marvel overall, since the two companies creation, has had better comics
#5) Umm, DC has copied off of Marvel probably just as much as Marvel. How do you think DC came up with Cyborg? And Marvel's original characters are much better than DC's original characters
ManofPower
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1# Marvel kills off their characters too much . Wolverine died and noe is coming back . Other characters have as well
2# Marvel makes way too many big events . I know DC reboots but that's better than changing everyone's personalities and relationships
3# Popularity actually does have to deal with who's better . Superman is better than say Hulk or Thor story and popularity wise
#4 Tell me one comic that is better than Blackest Night , Flashpoint , COIE ,
Watchmen . Then I'll believe that
#5 Cyborg is one outve maybe a few hundred copies . Better than DC ha!
Thor and Wonder Woman are IMO boring as well as the X-Men . The Flash , Superman , Batman , Green Lantern etc etc
Sentry , Hyperion , Quasar , Gladiator , Nova , Vision , Quicksilver , Scarlet Witch , Thanos , Hawkeye , Avengers , Lady Sif , Man Thing , The One Above All , Hulk , Moonknight and Crossbones and Deadpool are all examples of Marvel Copying DC
Sure I could name DC copies as well
Imperiex , Commander Steel , Aquaman , Red Lion , Atomic Skull and Bumblebee are DC examples
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1. IDK why that's a bad thing, if anything killing off characters, is a good thing, it brings actual danger to the comic.
2. IDK why that's a bad thing either, but then again most do fall kind of flat, and I get far more hyped for DC's events (Doomsday Clock, Dark Knights Metal)
3. Thanks to the MCU not entirely true
4. I'm sure there are some of close equal greatness, but those are all still amazing and I love 'em, on the DC side so I can't really say.
5. They both have copied from each other, but the notable ones are mainly from DC. Green Arrow (Hawkeye), Darkseid (Thanos), Superman (Sentry/Hyperion), Doom Patrol (X-Men), Deathstroke (Deadpool), Flash (Quicksilver), Brainiac (Ultron), Batman (Moon Knight), Clayface (Sandman) Wonder Woman (Thor, ok this one's a slight stretch, but judging by how Thor is already a mythological character he's not original anyways).
ElectroSpino
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forgot to @ManofPower
ManofPower
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#1 It actually doesn't . It realm is now expected .
#2 DC makes more money since their events are more spaced
#3 MCU boosted up Marvel alot so your right
#4 Spiderman and Wolverine ( Maybe Cap) are the only ones who can barely be compared to Supes , Bats , WW, Flash and GL
#5 that's my point . You didn't mention not one Marvel . Its more well known since it's completely obvious

SirSpidey
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I'm not criticising DC or anything, but has anyone else noticed that they have had the same theme since the creation of their company?
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You have no idea how much I appreciate you saying that you are not criticizing DC. Also for the most part I agree, here and there they have had darker/ more comedic themes but it has always had the theme of justice and doing what is right, which I think sends a good message to kids. (besides the DCEU I do not know what that is trying to portray...)
SirSpidey
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No, DC has always done the Hero vs Villain theme. Saying DC is the only company who has good messages for children seems extremely ignorant to me, don't you?
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Do not put words in my mouth, I never said DC was the only company that did that. Also do not call me ignorant. And why would you comment that if you are going to disagree with whatever someone says? Finally what themes does Marvel have that DC doesn't? Because I am sure that is what you are trying to get at.
DarkProdigy
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@SirSpidey And to think you have told people a number of times to not put words in your mouth
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@DarkProdigy I know right, he is such a hypocrite.
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@SidebarTwist: In the heat of the moment at the time, I just thought you were insinuating that DC was the only company who did that. That is my mistake
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I'm not criticizing Marvel or anything, but has anyone else noticed that they have had the same theme since Civil War?
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It'd be cool if Marvel did a new canon continuity such as their own New 52/Rebirth I feel like that'd be pretty badass.
remy94
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Yes that would be pretty cool
remy94
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The theme of almost every recent Marvel comic event has been Heroes vs Heroes
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Yeah I'm hoping they pump out a big event soon, the main series I'm reading is Amazing Spider-Man obviously... I'm glad he reconnected with the symbiote because Spidey's stories are the main focal point it seems which is a good thing.
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@Swarm: Why would Marvel need to do that? Marvel isn't disorganized like DC. They actually plan out what they are going to do before it happens
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Give examples please.
SirSpidey
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Since their publication, they have yet to have to do a single reboot
DarkProdigy
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Avengers: Disassembled, Marvel NOW! , and All-New All-Different Marvel were all reboots. They just didn't do it in an interesting fashion as DC did with the universal route.
SirSpidey
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Those were not reboots in the slightest way. You are correct. Marvel didn't have to reboot their entire company due to disorganization. They just updated a few characters to continue their continuity
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Just because a company has rebooted sometimes doesn't mean it's not good. The Crisis Reboot I do completely understand, the multiverse wasn't really planned out, and DC wanted to have a transition from the more kid-friendly comics at the time. (This is why most Silver/Classic age comics seem much more toned down and nonsensical because they were meant for kids). The Comics didn't have enough consistancy, because you had things like Superman being able to sneeze away Solar Systems. It wasn't at all to keep from going bankrupt, it was to have a decent and consistent multiverse. Anyways it doesn't mean DC Comics arn't good/worth reading (Which @SirSpidey doesn't like reading any). Watchmen, COIE, Blackest Night, Killing Joke, Dark Knight Rises, and Flashpoint are all amazing.
SirSpidey
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Lol, "sometimes." What's the matter? Too worried that if you say DC rebooted 9 different times it would severely demean the validity of your argument? Not to mention the countless times they have rebooted the origin stories of their most popular character such as Superman. Do you mean the 'Comics Code Authority'? Marvel had the exact same limitation placed upon them. Do you see Marvel having to reboot to move away from that limitation? No. Of course not. Marvel isn't disorganized like DC is. It's ironic you mention bankruptcy whenever Marvel almost bought out DC in the 80's due to DC needing writers who were actually good but didn't do so due to DC's characters being so awful. Marvel has a decent and consistent continuity. Do you see them needing to reboot? No. It just further proves that Marvel is vastly more organized than DC
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I can think of only 2 real reboots. The Crises on Infinite Earths one, and the New 52. Yeah Marvel buying out DC was a rumor, that was never really a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deb8dhEgSU Here's a video explaining the situation. He has sources for the situation (Including a primary example). Even one of the writers at Marvel said he really wanted to do a Superman story (second source), claiming he had seen the movie over 1,100 times. Just because the overall multiverse isn't the best has literally no impact on any of the stories, besides the multiverse threatening ones. Watchmen has nothing to do with the main DC universe until very recentally, Watchmen is pretty much superrior than anything Marvel has written. Not reading something due to a backround fact like the structure of the multiverse is like choosing not to like a german product because of WWII. Re-Doing origin stories idk why is a bad thing, it draws new people to the comic series, and people don't have to read 30 years of comic books to get caught up.
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@batsheet, thank you. Also as far as I am aware Marvel has never had a reboot...
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@SirSpidey On Marvel you have Civil War, a comic that was meant to be canon and killed Captain America yet he still came back. And then you have DC with the death in the family story line, DC took that and found a way to bring Jason back with still a great story behind it. Marvel stories often don't add up and are very confusing and DC on the other hand has a great structure of their comics making sense, separating them with things like N52 or rebirth. Oh yeah, also, here's 12 times Wolverine has died. Uncanny X-Men 142, X-Men annual 11, Uncanny X-Men 227, Astonishing X-Men #3, Exiles #4, New X-Men #154, Wolverine #20, Exiles #86, Young X-Men 11, X-Men Forever Alpha, Age of Ultron #9 and Death of Wolverine #4
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DarkProdigy
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Please give me some cases of big DC plot holes and maybe I can debunk it.
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I have yet to read Civil War or the DC comic you are referring to, so I can't really debate if they are bad or not. I'll read them and get back with you. By the way, can you clarify that DC comic for me? I'm kinda confused. Lol, DC having great structure!? You do know why they have rebooted 9 times, right? It is due to TERRIBLE structure and AWFUL planning. These are problems Marvel does not suffer from. As for the "deaths" of Wolverine, I guess that is what happens when you are dealing with a superhero who has one of the best healing factors in fiction. Wolverine having many deaths is not adding anything to your argument as that is what is expected from a character like Wolverine. Lastly, try and debunk what I said below
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But that's the thing, they have never explained how Wolverine came back. Marvel basically did the same thing DC did except without structure. If DC is bad with their structure and rebooting their universe, Marvel is basically just as bad or worse with their characters except you can't see it because they give it no recognition. Also just to clarify, in the original comic Joker kills Jason Todd and his mother. And they wanted to bring Jason Todd back. Not because they are greedy for money and wanted to bring their golden boy back, *cough cough* Captain America and Wolverine *cough cough*, but because they thought it would make a good story. Also, healing factors cannot bring a hero back so I'm not sure what you mean there.
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@DarkProdigy I agree.
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I'm more of a Marvel fan but I think the @remy94 hit the nail on the head with his advice.
ManofPower
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Mostly (and this is just my fanboy opinion ) you should try the flash it's very good comics especially when they introduced Godspeed that was amazing
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I love the new 52, it's definitely the place to start reading Dc comics. If you are looking for more history of the universe start with Crisis on infinite Earth's, it all leads up to the New 52 and rebirth.
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DarkProdigy
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Thanks, I'll probably start with the N52
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Nowhere
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TheSuspect666
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and why? DC is better than Marvel in comics
SirSpidey
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Because DC has dreadful writing
SirSpidey
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Horrible planning skills
SirSpidey
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Dreadful characters
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@TheSuspect666 Spidey is just full of opinions
SirSpidey
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Don't be mad that it is true
remy94
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Lol
SirSpidey
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Yeah, keep laughing at the facts
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I cant even with this guy...honestly Lol.
SirSpidey
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It's not my fault that you can't mentally comprehend DC being awful
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Its all opinon
Hawkinz
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Exactly lol
SirSpidey
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Gigantic plot holes are fact. Horrible planning is fact. Awful characters is fact
remy94
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Every comic book company suffers from this
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Yep Marvel & DC both create a lot great things and some crappy things.
SirSpidey
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And DC is of the worst
remy94
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Now that's just own opinion
SirSpidey
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Now that is just the facts
IMABATMAN42
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You cannot prove that DC characters are bad, it's just impossible. Because of this little thing called opinions, what you think is dreadful, could be amazing to someone else.
SirSpidey
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You can whenever they have gigantic plot holes
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"WAIT... WAIT it's that simple?"
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I will make it easy for you Spidey, give me 10 plot holes that are so bad that it should prevent anyone from reading DC.
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You cannot prove that the characters themselves are bad. It all comes down to opinions, what they think of the character, I hate Superman, @Remy94 likes Superman. I cannot disprove his opinion with facts, neither can you.
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Good point @IMABATMAN42.
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Thanks
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Spidey?
Bbq444
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Sirspidey maybe you should just lay off the hate for DC maybe read some DC Comics and you might start to like them don't just say you hate Dc Comics just because of Superman.
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Spidey reply.
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@SIdebarTwist: Lol, calm down. Are you triggered or something? It's not that hard to comprehend DC being awful. I'm not going to give you 10 because I honestly have not read enough DC comics to give you that many and I honestly don't care to read anymore. As my profile states, I dread reading DC comics, but if need be, I will read them to expound upon my knowledge. Anyways, from what I have read, The big "plot hole", or whatever you want to call it, that really stuck out to me was during the events of the supposedly critically acclaimed Darkseid War. According to people like @remy94 and apparently the official DC encyclopedia (unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on one of those encyclopedias, so I don't know if @remy94 is telling the truth), the Anti-Monitor you see in Darkseid War is the same Anti-Monitor that you see in Crisis On Infinite Earths (you know, the same Anti-Monitor that took on almost all of DC's characters including the Spectre and is a Universe buster). But how can that be whenever the Anti-Monitor you see in Darkseid War is only as powerful as Darkseid who got beat by the Justice League, a group of beings that combined are only Solar Sytem busters? I don't understand. All of this comes down to one thing.....awful writing.....a theme I find very common in DC comics
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@SIdebarTwist: Another major "plot hole" you see in DC comics that is due to awful writing is in Justice League #23.1, or the origin story of Darkseid. According to people like @remy94 and apparently the official DC encyclopedia (unfortunately I have not been able to get my hands on one of those encyclopedias, so I don't know if @remy94 is telling the truth), Darkseid is a god of divine heritage. But how can that be if his origin is of a Mortal Mud Grubbing Man Worm (exact words from the comics) who was created to worship the Old Gods? Even if later on in Darkseid's publication he is stated as being a god, it wouldn't really be true as his origin is of an alien. Lastly, to finish, I don't think plot holes are the only thing you should go off of to determine if a comic book company is bad or not. There are many other aspects you need to factor in like planning skills and characters.....things that DC, quite frankly, are awful at
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SidebarTwist, reply.
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@SirSpidey, uh Marvel comics have been inconsistent too. Also, Marvel hasn't had a good reboot like New 52 or Rebirth in a while. DC has, DC realizes when they need to change and fix things when they need too, making clear what is and isn't canon. Whereas with Marvel things that happened in a one-off comic in 1972 could be canon, or couldn't be, but I guess that up for determination. And saying that DC's characters are bad is laughable. For this year Amazing Spiderman and Hunt for Wolverine are the only Marvel comics in the top 10 best selling. The rest are DC. Only 7/20 of the best selling comics of 2018 are Marvel. The rest are DC. You see where I'm going? I'll let @SidebarTwist speak for himself, these are all just my opinions and feel free to bash me for them because apparently, I'm always wrong.
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I read your paragraphs then kinda forgot what they said so if I miss anything that's why. I understand that DC has plot holes, like @remy94 said every company does, but what I think is interesting about this conversation is that we are near opposites (that is not an insult) when it comes to comics. You clearly love Marvel, and I love DC (although I like Marvel too) but I think what the issue is, is you lack knowledge about DC (not insulting you), because if you read more of their material I am sure your opinions would change about DC. Similar to me with Marvel, I like Marvel and do not think they are terrible, although they have issues in my opinion. All of that is not very necessary although I just thought it was interesting. When it comes to plot holes, literally everything written or filmed has plot holes, some bigger than others but they are there. As for the encyclopedias, I think it depends on when the book was published because I have two Marvel and two DC encyclopedias from different time periods, and their information varies depending on what is popular at the time, for example in my Marvel book from the 1990s it has nothing to do with Deadpool as far as I am aware, and as for my other one that was published in the early 2000s it has a tiny box of information on DP, and the same for Thanos. If I had a more current book their would be much more information on them for obvious reasons. So it kinda depends on when it was written... Also I understand that you do not read much DC, but if you can not find at least 10 major plot holes over their 84 year publication history then it cant be that bad. Finally I wasn't triggered I just did not like waiting 3 days for you to respond, or at least for you to see my comment.
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@IMABATMAN42: Yes I can
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How? I am kinda curious.
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@Bbq444: I don't like DC solely because of Superman. There are many other characters and aspects that make DC dreadful
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I really don't like Superman either. But that doesn't take away the enjoyment of other comics I read, just because he is in the same universe.
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@batsheet: How is Marvel inconsistent!? Marvel is so consistent that they have not needed to reboot ever in their publication, unlike DC who are so inconsistent that they have had to reboot 9 times. Marvel is so superior and organized that they have never needed to fix things or make clear what is canon. They have always had the same canon since their creation. I'll give you DC in recent years having better comics than Marvel in recent years, but overall, throughout comic book history, Marvel has been better. Especially whenever Stan Lee still wrote comics
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@SirSpidey, Over half of Stan Lee's characters where either Dc copycats or stolen from Jack Kirby and others.
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Also @SirSpidey, I felt like I meant to say it's hard to determine what is canon in Marvel, whereas for DC there is a clear cut-off.
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Readcomicsonline you can read all the old a new comics
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I believe he means specific story arcs/continuity.
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I've been reading on comicsonline for ages
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Dcfan123 3 y 5 mo 24 d
Where's A Good Place to Start Reading DC?
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I go to readcomicsonline to find info on superman in the goku vs Superman fights
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ManofPower 3 y 5 mo 24 d
Where's A Good Place to Start Reading DC?
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Definitely rebirth
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SidebarTwist 3 y 5 mo 24 d
Where's A Good Place to Start Reading DC?
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I agree.