Earth 616/Asgard Thor (SirSpidey) vs Post-Flashpoint Superman (ManofPower)

Created by SirSpidey, 4 y 1 mo 5 d ago.

The judge will be Soulcollector57. We will use the rules as listed in the 'Official List of Debating Rules'. Only ManofPower, Soulcollector57, and I are allowed to comment on this forum. Any other comment from any other user will be deleted.

Link: https://www.superherodb.com/forum/offical-list-of-debating-rules/100-3121/

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ManofPower 3 y 3 mo 19 d

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Officially the worst debate I have ever had to go through, And that is saying something.

soratoumiga 3 y 7 mo 6 d

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Bumping this so everyone sees what w*nk can do to a man's soul

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ManofPower 3 y 7 mo 7 h 33 m

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Lol @Sora

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Im no fanboy how does superman win thor has fought with the silver surfer the only fanboy i see are people who think superman beat thor

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ManofPower 4 y 19 d

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Sorry @Jon you read that wrong. I was telling you that @Spidey and @Andresvear were fanboys. You are definitely not a fanboy.

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Oh ok

TheNemianLion 4 y 19 d

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First, @MOP was destroyed in a rap battle six times by me, THEN? Destroyed in a debate by SirSpidey? This was not a very good start of 2019 for @MOP. :(

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AkhilPDX 4 y 19 d

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Well, Spidey is an idiot and a ****. If only he could taste those Splash fanboys.

soulcollecter34 4 y 20 d

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Okay, time for the judge, the end all be all to step in and fix this mess, which I always have to do. @MOP, you let @Sirspidey get inside your head and that completely ruined any chance of success, that's why I said before hand that you would lose, because you don't yet have the mention strength to deal with someone like @Spidey. He is very methodical and skilled which makes him deadly. It doesn't matter who someone's favorite character is, or what someone's moral compass points to, skill is skill, you cannot deny that, you just have to recognize it, can't deny truth, he's really good at what he does, bottom line, and that goes for everyone else also. Bringing up past events, if you say you beat him then, what's stopping you from beating him now? Bringing up past debates and the winners of those debates does not matter in the present, simple facts. @cw while can be useful, it can also create a picture of yourself that you know ain't true, or at least you feel that way. If you want a man to tell the truth, get them drunk. Anger does the same thing to you, makes you say things you know you'll regret after, you can regret all day long, but there is always truth to what you say. @AkhilPDX, no offense, but this is not your battle, if @MOP is as good as you make him out to be, then let him handle his own problems. Heroes reborn was a non cannon solo story, yeah he was "out of the MC" or whatever, but that's like using the Ultimates universe to gauge Thor's power, completely seperate timeline. The whole Onslaught event, was a soft reboot, not even that, they just wanted to start new storylines, everything prior is still cannon. Not everything in DC is still cannon, otherwise Superman can sneeze away solar systems but at the same time only faster than a speeding bullet, so that definitely makes no sense.

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And about your feat for the Destroyer armor, it really bothered me. Yeah it stood up to a large group of celestial, but it got wrecked immediately, so it means nothing, that he wen to face him, and you also forgot, or just simply didn't know, that Odin with the armor was also boosted by all of the other sky fathers, and had the Odin blade that amplifies power, just throwing that out there.

soulcollecter34 4 y 20 d

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So of course the one Thor faced was weaker,.

ManofPower 4 y 19 d

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Ok...I just hope to never act like that again. It makes me seem...bullyish

ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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@Galactus may I have your opinion so far?

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Galactus 4 y 21 d

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That is going to take a lot of time....

ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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Yes sir

ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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Like I said I only used one non-canon feat.
Except I debunked your claims Spidey. And fine I'll stop saying PIS. I read every comic you gave me and you like to twist facts. Most of the feats are from Classic Thor which is not the version we are talking about.

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ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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And if he's just that powerful why did you twist facts? I mean you use so many Non-Canon feats its ridiculous.

SirSpidey 4 y 21 d

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What the f**k are you talking about? What isn't canon about Thor? Please, enlighten me. I know for a fact that 'Thor Volume 2 #1' does not prove that everything Thor had done in the past before that comic is not canon. I seriously want to hear your explanation of why 'Thor Volume 2 #1' proves that everything Thor did in the past is not canon, just so that I can laugh my a*s off. Please, amuse me.

ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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As a consequence of the "Heroes Reborn" crossover story arc of the 1990s, Thor was removed from mainstream Marvel continuity and with other Marvel characters re-imagined in an alternate universe for one year. The Thor title reverted to Journey into Mystery with issue #503 (Nov. 1996), and ran four different, sequential features ("The Lost Gods"; "Master of Kung Fu"; "Black Widow", and "Hannibal King") before ceasing publication with #521 (June 1998).

When the character was returned to the mainstream Marvel Universe, Thor was relaunched with Thor vol. 2, #1 (July 1998).[27][28][29] As of issue #36, the title used dual numbering in a tribute to the original Thor series, and the caption box for said issue became #36 / #538 (June 2001). The title ran until issue #85 / #587, dated December 2004. Dan Jurgens wrote the first 79 issues, with Daniel Berman and Michael Avon Oeming completing the series
Yes I pasted this

SirSpidey 4 y 21 d

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First off, you act like copying and pasting what Wikipedia says is reliable. When are you going to get a brain of your own and come up with your own arguments, instead of living vicariously through random people you find on the internet? It is quite disturbing to see you this way, @ManofPower. Secondly, 'Heroes Reborn' did not happen in the mainstream Marvel Universe, therefore it is not canon. It was a crossover event that happened in the "Franklinverse." Nice try though.

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Dude it removed Thor from the MU continuity. And the wiki is more reliable than getting facts from you. And I don't know why I am even dealing with a 16 year old kid talking down to me. Jesus Christ not everybody has the time to read every single comic. Only reason I'm debating you is to get you off the others.
And what about Classic Strange, Hulk, Galactus, Thor? There's a reason why they are called classic. How do you think Iron Man and Bruce Banner aren't in their 70's? Marvel had to reboot their universe once

SirSpidey 4 y 21 d

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Okay, whatever. Go ahead and just deny the facts. You have no evidence to suggest Thor has been rebooted or whatever else you want to claim, so don't act like you do. And don't start claiming that Post-Crisis Superman is canon again. We have already been over this @ManofPower. Don't lose your train of thought now.

ManofPower 4 y 21 d

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Deny facts? DENY FACTS!?!?! I have dealt with this long enough @Spidey. Trying to be peaceful but you have crossed the line. I'm sick of you treating me like a....like a peasant. I'm a human being along with all the other users here. This is why no body likes you here. You say you are the best debater yet you deny facts. Bring up irrelevant things (I didn't say anything about Post-Crisis Superman) , Debate unfairly when you chose the weakest incarnation of Superman.
You have no evidence that suggests he wasn't rebooted. There's a reason why there is CLASSIC THOR! You think everyone should be alright with you pushing people around saying they're garbage or pathetic. I grew tired of this. Yes I talked like that recently in the doc but that's once out of the thousands of times you talk trash. No body can enjoy this site cause of fanboys like you.
@Galactus I hope you won't strip my mod status for this. I haven't cussed once I am just telling @SirSpidey what he is doing

AkhilPDX 4 y 21 d

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@ManofPower You haven't broken the rules once: even mods have limits to how much they can take before they snap and honestly @SirSpidey knows how to push past his own limits.

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Akhil thx. I will have to erase this comment however. Also go on UnivsGalan

cw6334 4 y 20 d

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@ManofPower Are you doing okay man? You seemed at a tipping point and I know how that can effect someone mentally so are you okay?
Then this is an actual question for @SirSpidey do you like Wiccan as a character? I am curious.

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@SirSpidey: Stop denying facts, Post-Crisis Superman is canon, get that through your thick skull. You've been debunked on that already.

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Yeah, DENYING FACTS. This is literally you...

• Me: "That did not happen in the mainstream Marvel continuity, therefore it is not canon."

• You: "Oh, well, it still erased Thor from mainstream continuity." Even though it ISN'T EVEN CANON.

As I said, you have no evidence, just delusion. Oh, so now I deny facts. What is this, THE THIRD GRADE!? "No, you deny facts!" How could I possibly deny facts whenever you have yet to prove they are facts? It's simple, I CAN'T. You said, "Like I said I only used one non-canon feat", implying that all of your Post-Crisis feats are acceptable, when they absolutely are not, as we came to an understanding of literally FOUR days ago! I understand that your little pea brain makes it seem like four days is actually an eternity, hence you forgetting what happened four days ago, but please, try to stick it out once the debate is over. "...weakest incarnation of Superman!?" What are you talking about? Rebirth Superman is one of the most powerful variations of Superman you can ask for. Not to mention, I only chose Post-Flashpoint Superman because that is the canon version of Superman. "You have no evidence that suggests he wasn't rebooted." Really? How about 'Heroes Reborn' not being canon, as I literally just proved? "Classic Thor." I don't understand. Classic Thor, Modern Thor, they are all the same being. You have no evidence to suggest otherwise. Lastly, if me simply asking you for evidence angers you this much to the point to where you cannot enjoy this site, maybe debating and this entire website is not for you.

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@cw6334: Not really, no. I mean, he is the son of a b***h. Not to mention he is a wannabe Thor.

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@soratoumiga: No one cares for your bias. Shut up and know your place little boy.

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No one cares about YOU spreading false opinions. Post-Crisis Superman is canon and eligible to be used in a debate, you should, for real, stop spreading bullshit and showing your bias against DC.

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Okay I figured you didn't like him but I figured it was for that reason or another

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You know what @Spidey? I'm done. I'm done debating you. I've wasted hours of my time debating a *****. Sure I'm stubborn at times and sure I'm a little naive but you come at me like a enemy. This site is for friendly debates. Not for fanboys as yourself to ruin it. Heck @TheNemianLion knows where to stop with Hulk , @Soratoumiga knows where to stop with Scarlet Witch. You don't know when to stop. This going to drive me nuts if I can't do it. I already know what you're going say "That's because your pea brain can't comprehend Thor's power. Actually read comics instead of copy and pasting stuff from random people" And I don't care.
@CW I'm doing just fine bro. Its this guy that's (I can't even type what I'm thinking here) So thanks for your concern I'm just upset that I have wasted almost 48 hours of my time debating this fanboy

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It takes a lot of mental fortitude to debate SirSpidey, unfortunately, only two people on this site including myself have that true capability, the others lose their mind, this debate should never have happened.

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@ManofPower: To debate SirSpidey, you must actually sink to his level, use insults, dumb and flawed logic and make dumb mom jokes if you actually want to debate him. Otherwise, it's pointless to even talk to someone who thinks Thor > Eternity or Death, after being disproven multiple times.

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I'm sorry @soratoumiga was that directed at me?

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Nope, that's why I tagged MoP at the beginning. To know that I'm addressing him.

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Oh I'm sorry I got confused

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Soratoumiga is more a fanboy plus thor beat supes

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That's the problem. I can't stoop that low. I'm not just going to insult someone to insult them. Its not my nature. @Jon @Spidey and @Andrescear are the biggest fanboys.
I'm surprised @Nemian can even talk to this guy. Let alone deal with his fanboyism

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When the cat is away, the mice will play. @ManofPower: Thanks for proving to everyone you don't have the brain capacity to continue a debate. 102 to 42? It was obvious who was going to win. I would also like to thank you for padding my debating stats. My win/loss record is ever so slightly better now. I also like how you claim I am a fanboy, but couldn't prove anything I claimed wrong. It just shows your true colors. With that said, thank you for this opportunity to showcase my debating skills and my ability to mentally break users down. I appreciate you.

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lol 😂 provocative 😂😂

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Lingering, bottled-up anger never reveals the 'true colors' of an individual. It, on the contrary, becomes all mixed up, rotten, confused, forms a highly combustible, chemical compound then explodes as something foreign, something very different than one's natural self.
Goes for both of you.

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@soratoumiga: No one cares for your bias. Shut up and know your place little boy.

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@cw6334: Anger is only natural, though. That is flawed logic.

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Whatever you self-centered P-rick

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So you're saying that naturally you are this big of an a**hole in real life then? You don't just insult people because your angry, you do it because it's in your nature?

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You're*

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He knows his place @SirSpidey and it's above yours. You won this debate! All right?!? That's enough, but just know that you'll never have the modesty of @MoP and even if he isn't as good as a debater as you, he's still proficient and believe me when I say this, he has a better heart than you. No matter what you think, @MoP didn't back out because he knew he'd lose, because he most definitely won in my book, but he quit because he couldn't take how immature you were. MoP, me, sora, and basically everyone else will continue to use Post-Crisis Superman in every debate, and NO one will give into your opinion on that discussion.

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@ManofPower: What? What did you honestly expect when stepping into the realm of a Big Dog?

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@cw6334: I mean, yes. It is natural to insult people when angered...

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@AkhilPDX: Noboby cares what a sixlet has to say. Go suck on an egg.

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Wow a big dog who denies facts. A selfish 16 yr old kid who is immature. @Sora @Akhil and I act more mature and we're two years younger than you. If only I could post what I really want to say but I can't since @Galactus and my mother will get on my tail

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@ManofPower: I don't even know which "fact" I denied, but okay. Whatever will help you sleep at night. Not sure how I was being immature either. Would you like to explain yourself, or are you just going to shutdown on me like you did during this debate?

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Dude you insult people even when you're not angered. If only you'll loosen up on Thor you'll be a amazing debater. But until then you are nothing close.
Calling @Akhil a sixlet telling him to suck a egg? Really? You couldn't come up with anything better?

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I don't think you're quite understanding what I am saying, Whenever you become angered you release a version of yourself that you wouldn't normally let release, aka your non-natural self. Anger is a natural tendency of course, but is it something that you always want to release? no, cause yes I get angered at people who do things I don't agree with, and then I release who I don't wanna be, which is my natural self.

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And @MoP that has nothing to do with whether his comeback is good. No one should be talking down to anyone in the first place.

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@ManofPower: How do personalities correlate to debating skill? That logic is just beyond me. No matter how I present my arguments, it is still the truth, as long as I have sufficient evidence, of which, I always do.

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Wow where do I begin.
Choosing the weakest incarnation of Superman and forcing me to use him
Literally saying everything I gave is garbage
Whining like a brat when I debunk you
Denying that I debunked you
Use Un-Canon feats when I'm not allowed to use canon
Always putting your self as a God above others
When someone gives you fact you cry about it and insult them.
You hate on others opinions and try to force them to change.
Etc etc etc yadayada

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OK I got to finish my chores instead of reading what you have to say cause unlike you I have a life
@CW yes I understand that.

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@cw6334: It really isn't rocket science. A lot of people are driven through anger, hence anger being a natural precedent in people's lives. What you are saying is a 'what if'. You are trying to make it seem like anger is not a part of your natural being, that you are some kind of 'good guy'. That is not reality, @cw6334. We all have some form of anger that resides in us, whether you want to admit it or not.

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@ManofPower: I don't care for your opinions. I just want facts; I just want relevancy. And do you really think of me as some king of god? I am flattered. I would have never guessed you would ever think of me that way. Thank you.

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And this shows your intelligence.
You want to hear a good joke? You.
Like to twist facts just to anger someone. How about you actually look at your surroundings and realize what you're doing. You are probably the reason why so many left here

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Go do your chores, boy. A man would never back out of his own word! And that reason you speak of is Discord. Things were going great until Superhero Database acquired a Discord.

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@SirSpidey Oh? Really? Coming from a b***h like you, it means nothing, considering your IQ is equal to that of Donald Trump's bra size.

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Mmmm, says the one who is scared s**tless to officially debate me.

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I am not scared to debate you, I just do not want to debate someone like you.

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Mmmmm says the guy who can't even debate properly. You're not worth @Akhil's time, I wasted 48 hours just to deal with a wannabe

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As I said, scared s**tless.

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I've seen you debate. It is a waste of time when you can't get stuff through your thick skull.

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@ManofPower: Lol, don't be delusional, child. I beat you by 60 points.

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@AkhilPDX: Oh, trust me, it will go through. As long as you have a decent argument and proper evidence.

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As I said, immature.
Lokasenna

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Because my canon feats didn't work for you so I lost numerous points. The judge doesn't have to research anything. If you didn't deny what's fact I would of won as I gave almost a hundred feats for Superman.

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@ManofPower: I don't see the immaturity in simply stating the facts...

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Apparently for you it is rocket science, I know that we all have anger. I am not saying that you don't have anger in you whatsoever I am saying that anger causes you to act unrationally, and now straying away from that. I have drawn this comparison many times before, I compare Spidey to Skip Bayless, you act exactly how he does. Talking down to people is never okay in my book, I don't care who you are.

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I don't expect you to listen to @MoP, agreeing with him that Superman beats Thor, but I expect you to properly debunk his stuff. He gave out SO MUCH evidence but you denied all of it.

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@ManofPower: Quit saying they are canon. We have been over this, pea brain.

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The facts that are uncanon and twisted? Those facts?

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@cw6334: What is so irrational about insulting people?

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@Spidey you should introduce your upper lip to your lower lip and shut up.

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@SirSpidey They are canon so we will continue to use them.

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@AkhilPDX: Oh, I wonder why George? Maybe 'cause it wuddint... canon? Yeah, dat seem right.

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You are a equal being to the rest of us and you like to pretend you are superior to eveyone else. That is wrong and very uncalled for. Yet I dont think you happen to know so I don't expect you to change your ways.

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@Spidey I have a question. If I Google "Idiot of a Fanboy" would your face show up?
But anyways I gotta stop before my mod status gets stripped

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Okay, I guess y'all forgot that I debunked the whole "everything in DC is canon" argument, so please, give me your best argument in terms of the argument previously mentioned, just so that I can debunk it yet another time.

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@Akhil you might wanna stop as well bro before we get our selves in trouble. Ikke ønsker å komme oss i trøbbel på grunn av denne idioten

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@cw6334: I do believe I am the superior debater out of us all, yes. Actually, I know for a fact that I am.

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HAHAHHAHA okay pal, don't forget our debate we had a few months ago this summer. One you just gave up on. I will not deny you are a fantastic debater, you know your stuff, you have a great recall memory and it's impressive to say the least. You are on of the best debaters on comics in general but there are other people that have very isolated knowledge on specific subjects. I do not like how you treat people my friend and I can say that. Do not be a toxic personality, it's not cool and contrary to your belief, does not make you look better.

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What's this b***h talking about? He's been debunked on "New 52 is only canon" thing. Why doesn't he just admit defeat on that one?

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@cw6334: This SirSpidey was on Discord, where he got horribly humiliated in like every debate he was in. Don't trust him saying he's the best, he's a bad debater.

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p8a2ULd-WJBNSrpZgDp-dkXVDSoGjz7xNDwa_zahbSU/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=111735529438551124120 .
Finished working on this @Spidey. Have fun

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No offense @MOP, but you are in no position to talk about people using non cannon feats and PIS.

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@ManofPower: At some point, you have to stop claiming it is PIS and actually come to the conclusion that Thor is JUST THAT POWERFUL. Whenever feats do not go in the direction that appeases to your argument, you cannot just keep claiming that all 400 plus of those feats are PIS. That is ridiculous. It is considered PIS if it is a one time thing, meaning the being who performed the feat has only been able to perform it one time and one time only. Thor has consistently proven himself Universal in power, hence him defeating beings as powerful as Galactus over and over and over again. How could it be PIS whenever Thor is JUST THAT POWERFUL? The answer is... it ISN'T PIS, because Thor is JUST THAT POWERFUL.

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@soulcollector34: What is the score?

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I haven't had time to score it, but based off of a quick scan you are most likely in the lead because you have given a hell of a lot more evidence and claims the rough score as of now should be
@Sirspidey: 102
@MOP: 42
This is a VERY rough estimate, based off the sheer number of comments and counting all of them as 3 points each. This is NOT the official score, just an estimate.

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Andreasver stay off this forum

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Soul have you had time to check this? I am currently working on debunking SirSpideys claims

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I did, check your profile page, I'm working on part two right now

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Nvm, I already seen part two the first time you posted it.

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We believe in you mop

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I am sorry but everyone who is not @Spidey , @Soul or Me will get their comments erased. That is the rules

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Yep lol

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Really?? 😎

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@Emptyhand and @Akhil plz stop commenting.
Akhil you did make me laugh. TWSAIS are fearless therefore no more powerful than Connor McGregor or CM Punk lol

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Wait! I can use New 52 and Post Crisis/Rebirth feats?
Also just wondering since EVERYTHING in DC is canon. Is MvDC Crossovers canon?

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Awesome!
@SirSpidey is going have to actually acknowledge every feat I gave him

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@SirSpidey you said posts flashpoint which is what I call rebirth. You didn't say new 52. And if that's what you meant then Thor wins. If you mind I would likevto use Post Crisis.
Also Akhil stay off this forum plz!
I'll return your debunks tomorrow

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Wait, so now you are telling me that an ultra DC fanboy doesn't even know what Flashpoint is? Flashpoint is what caused the New 52, so when I say "Post-Flashpoint", I mean the New 52 and Rebirth. Not to mention, anything before the New 52 is not canon, hence me making it to where we are debating Post-Fashpoint Superman

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Rebirth is Post Crisis Superman after New 52 supes died.
Also in Justice League #40 every thing after COIE is canon. So every feat I just said (except for JLA/Avengers) is canon. So nice try to just say that.
Also @Nemian check your rap forum

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Any proof, or just mere statements? And All Justice League #40 did was show the readers what events had transpired to cause Anti-Monitor to be where he was. The New 52 rebooted all of it's characters, so even if Crisis on Infinite Earths did happen, you still cannot use feats of Pre-Flashpoint Superman.

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Do you mind if I use PostC?
Its already going to be hard enough to debate you.
And if not I can still use PC feats. You said New 52 and Rebirth. Rebirth is Post Crisis so...

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@ManofPower: There is no evidence to suggest Rebirth Superman equals Pre-Crisis Superman. If there is, by all means prove it. @soratoumiga and @AkhilPDX, your comments will be deleted.

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Superman Rebirth is a combination of about 90% Post Crisis Superman, and 10% New52. Most of the "New52" part is that Superman is now younger, wore the New52 outfit at one point, and his Earth parents apparently died. Superman Reborn (an arc in Rebirth) sort of combined the two, thanks to Mr. Mxy's reality warping powers.

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Umm, wrong. After reading all of 'Superman: Reborn' and all of it's tie-ins, Rebirth created a New 52 Superman that is conjoined with his Post-Crisis counterpart. So IF, not saying he is, Post-Crisis Superman is Universal in power and New 52 Superman is Planetary in power, that would make Rebirth Superman around Galactic in power. So you cannot use feats of Post-Crisis Superman because his New 52 and Rebirth variations are two completely different beings.

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OK. So am I allowed feats from Rebirth and New 52 or no? I'm proud that you actually read a DC Comic

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@MoP I know you are going to delete this, but honestly, I am so proud you can still keep up with Spidey's bull***t. I would have lost my mind by now :D Anyways, yes, I say you are allowed to use it, @sora says it, and I think @soul is fine, so you should be fine to use it. Good luck!

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@ManofPower: Yes, you can use feats of Post-Flashpoint Superman, as was originally stated. I have read more DC comics than you ever will in your entire life, so shut your little subpar debating a** up.

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OOOk

lol 😂

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Ya kick his a$$ @mop

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@AkhilPDX: Noboby cares what a sixlet has to say. Go suck on an egg.

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Wait a minute, this forum says it has 44 posts, but there are only 6 comments, not including mine.

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I know its weird. But anyways how many points did I earn?

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I haven't gotten a chance to read it, I've been busy, honestly I was never informed prior to this forum that I was the judge, I'm fine with it, but I wasn't prepared.

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Shoot sorry. Thought Silas informed you. Aldo thx for calling me a Veteran. Surprised I was that high on the list

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Well you are a very good debater and have improved a whole lot from when I first met you, and you have gained a boatload of confidence in your abilities since then, that has to count for something right? You are just barely below elite level but at this rate you'll be there very soon.

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@Spidey said what I gave him wasn't relevant and was utter garbage

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@AkhilPDX: "That's so mean."

@AkhilPDX in The Same Comment: "Pathetic loser."

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... @AkhilPDX is the one who insulted me...

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Shoot just saw this.
Akhil not cool. Don't sound like him

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eK9xlEFFhGMPA2NXmXncSz0PoSSQkXsO8vJDZcedNkI/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=111735529438551124120 .
Part 2

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Part 1

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#1) "Amped by a prayer." How exactly does one become amped by mortal prayers and what sort of amps did Thor receive?

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#2) Death of The New Gods Volume 1 #8: First off, this is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence. Secondly, I will not debate you if you just copy and paste directly from an online Wiki. Come up with your own s**t for crying out loud.

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#3) Superman: Where is Thy Sting? Volume 1 #1: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#4) Superman Volume 2 #153: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence. I also see that you forgot to mention that Iron Man's "improvised armor equipped with a few disruptors" had the power of the Big Bang as stated in 'Avengers vs X-Men Volume 1 #4, Page #16, Panel #5'.

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#5) Superman/Batman Volume 1 #32: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#6) Green Lantern Volume 3 #48-50: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#7) Wonder Woman #12: I don't know which Volume this is, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#8) Wolverine vs Thor Volume 1 #2: Are you seriously trying to use low end feats to base Thor's speed off of? That is narrow minded thinking, @ManofPower. What about the other countless feats of Thor that prove his speed is massively faster than light? For starters, in 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #83, Page #10, Panel #7' and 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #98, Pages #11-12', Thor moves and reacts within split seconds; this includes deciseconds, centiseconds, milliseconds, microseconds, nanoseconds, picoseconds, femtoseconds, attoseconds, zeptoseconds, yoctoseconds, and planck time. Average out all of these intervals of time and Thor would be moving and reacting at picosecond speeds. And don't even get me started on the speed of Mjolnir. Anyways, for Wolverine to be able to dodge the attacks from one of the fastest being in Marvel and harm him in the slightest way is pure plot induced stupidity, especially considering the title of the series is "Wolverine vs Thor." Wolverine was only able to do those things because the plot needed for it to happen.

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#9) Wolverine vs Thor Volume 1 #1: This is plot induced stupidity. Give me something that is relevant.

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#10) As for your scans of Thor being slower than Spider-Man and Mongoose, they are out of context, so they are pointless to use as evidence, not to mention both instances would be plot or writer induced stupidity anyways.

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#11) Flash Volume 2 #209: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#12) "Instant lobotomy from Superman." Thor doesn't have to use much healing factor because he is usually impervious to most attacks. With that said, you have no evidence to suggest that anything Superman can do will even phase Thor, especially Superman's heat vision. In 'Thor Volume 1 #300, Page #30', Thor gets blasted three times by CELESTIALS, back to back to back, and still gets up asking for more. So unless Superman is more powerful than three Celestials combined, he isn't going to phase Thor anytime soon.

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#13) Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 #683: Lol, you are just proving your ignorance with that statement. The teeth of Jormungand are Thor's only major weakness. They are basically how Kryptonite is to Superman. Thor has always been destined to die by the hands of Jormungand, so for Thor to die from being impaled by the teeth of Jormungand isn't surprising and it sure as h**l isn't proving anything.

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#14) "...when Thor loses Mjolnir his powers are instantly diminished." Umm, no. What a cliche argument. Thor still retains the abilities granted to him through godhood even when he is without Mjolnir. Remember the Godblast; Thor's most potent attack? Yeah, Thor did that without Mjolnir in 'Thor Volume 2 #82, Page #19'. So Thor being powerless without Mjolnir my a**. Get a better argument. "Mjolnir is really the source of his abilities, so stripping him of it immediately gives Superman a leg up." Okay concept, but the problem is, Superman has no way of stripping Mjolnir from Thor. Many have tried and they have all failed, except for beings such as the Molecule Man, but Superman is no Molecule Man. Either you prove that Superman can "strip" Thor of Mjolnir, or you lay that argument to rest. Lastly, in which canon comic has Superman moved at nanosecond speeds? Not that it really matters, because Thor can arguably move at picosecond speeds, as I proved above, but I'm still curious if you can prove your arguments fact.

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#15) Thor Volume 1 #126, Page #14: My man! Thank you for the easy points. Clearly, you did not read the comic. Exactly 3 Pages before the events that transpired in your out of context scan, Page #11, Thor was hit by a bolt of power from Odin that immensely reduced Thor's strength. Do you know how Thor's and Hercules' battle was going down before Thor was hit by this bolt of power? That is right! Thor was completely decimating Hercules' a*s after he was sick of his s**t. On Page #4, Panel #1, in the very same issue, Hercules even admits that his mace is essentially meaningless when compared to Mjolnir, "His enchanted hammer makes a living mockery of mine own mace..." Next time, try to know and completely understand the context of a feat before you claim anything about it.

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#16) Incredible Hulk Volume 1 #300: First off, the events that transpired in your out of context scan did not happen in 'Incredible Hulk Volume 1 #300', so I don't know why you are referencing it. If you can't find the context of a feat, don't even mention it in the first place, especially during an official debate. And don't just reference a comic that has nothing to do with the out of context scan you are referencing. That is just pathetic and proves your limited knowledge and subpar debating skills. Secondly, for the Hulk to just grab Thor's arm and beat him with it isn't only awful and pathetic writing, but it is also pure plot and writer induced stupidity. Thor and the Hulk have always been conveyed to be each other's equals in strength as proven in 'Defenders Volume 1 #10, Page #16, Panel #2' when the two beings competed in a bout of strength for an entire hour with neither opponent yielding to the other for even a second, proving that the writer has no idea what he is even doing. Thirdly, the Hulk caught Thor by surprise because Thor was trying to talk the Hulk out of fighting. By no means does that prove the Hulk "blitzed" Thor, especially whenever Thor was holding back.

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#17) The Avengers Volume 1 #9: Umm, you can read, correct? The comic literally says the only reason Wonder Man could do what he did was because he caught Thor off guard. Learn to actually read the comic for yourself and not use information from random people online. You are just making yourself out to be a fool.

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#18) Thor Volume 1 #337: Lol, is that your argument? That Thor's grip is "very slippery?" Really? I mean... really!? You can surely do better than THAT. Anyways, you do understand how Thor lost his hammer in 'Thor Volume 1 #337', right? It was because he forgot about it while fighting Beta Ray Bill, because you know, THOR CAN ACTUALLY FIGHT WITHOUT THE AID OF MJOLNIR. Beta Ray Bill did nothing to make Thor lose his hammer, so your argument is pointless. Also, you say Thor has a slippery grip, yet in 'The Avengers Volume 1 #3, Page #23, Panel #5', the Hulk, arguably the strongest being in fiction, tried prying Mjolnir from Thor's grip, but couldn't budge it whatsoever. The Hulk even says, "Unghh! He was right! It's both my hands against his one, and I can't budge the thing." So much for your "slippery" grip argument.

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#19) Superman Volume 3 #38: Okay? That is an empty statement. You still need to explain just how powerful Ulysses was. And that is a cute burst of energy. Barely even made a crater on the Planet Superman was standing on.

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#20) Superman Annual Volume 1 #13: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#21) As for your Godblast bulls**t, how about you come up with an argument on your own and not use the arguments of random kids that you found on Comic Vine? Either YOU debate me, not vicariously through other people, or I won't debate you at all.

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#22) As for Thor vs Galactus, first off, you have no evidence to suggest that Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu used a "Tri-Godblast" on Arishem. All the comic says is that they directed their energies through Odin's sword. Secondly, Thor has better feats than Odin, proving he is vastly superior to Odin. In 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #94, Page #7, Panel #6', it is established that Odin's strength cannot match Thor's. In 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #99, Page #7, Panels #1-2', Thor is barely even phased by a point blank power blast from Odin that happened by surprise. In 'Thor Volume 1 #241, Pages #4-5', Thor is blasted yet again by an angry, entranced, unholding back Odin and is perfectly fine. In 'Thor Volume 2 #12, Pages #31-32', Thor decimates an Odinforce empowered Majeston Zelia within one blast, proving Thor has power sufficient enough to defeat Odin within one blast. So Thor could very well be argued to be more powerful than Odin, Zeus and Vishnu. Thirdly, for Thor to completely decimate Galactus is not plot induced stupidity because he has decimated countless other Universal level beings who are as powerful, if not more powerful than Galactus. Just because you don't like the outcome of a battle, does not mean you get to blame it on plot induced stupidity. You actually have to have a valid reason as to why it is plot induced stupidity. Fourthly, you have no evidence to suggest Galactus was hungry. Many people have tried to prove he was, and they have all failed, miserably.

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#23) Thor Volume 1 #411: First off, according to my knowledge, Juggernaut has never received a massive power amplification since the 80's, so your claim is completely false, unless proven otherwise. Secondly, Juggernaut has a mystical barrier that protects him. It really isn't that surprising that Mjolnir bounces off a barrier that is constructed from the power of Cyttorak himself to slow down the momentum of things targeting Juggernaut. Thirdly, you are using this feat completely out of context. If you actually read the comic, you would know that throughout Thor's and the Juggernaut's battle, Thor was suffering from unexpected and unexplained seizures which hindered his abilities, as explained in 'Thor Volume 1 #411, Page #9, Panel #6'. This proves that Thor wasn't swinging Mjolnir at full power, meaning it is pointless to use this feat as evidence.

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#24) Thor Volume 1 #412: If you don't know the context of a feat, why are you even mentioning it in the first place? Anyways, Thor was weakened when he performed this Godblast, as I proved above, so it is pointless to use as evidence. And Thor's Godblast most definitely phased Juggernaut. It forced back the UNSTOPPABLE Juggernaut, a feat that no other being has been able to replicate.

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#25) Thor Corp Volume 1 #4: Prove that there isn't an infinite amount of Dimensions in a Universe. Don't claim something you cannot prove fact, now.

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#26) JLA/Avengers: I'm just going to forget you mentioned this.

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#27) Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Volume 1 #1: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#28) JLA Volume 1 #77: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#29) JLA Volume 1 #41: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#30) As for Superman resisting Red Sunlight, I don't know the context of this feat, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#31) Time Masters: Vanishing Point Volume 1 #6: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#32) Superman: Emperor Joker: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#33) As for the Superman vs Shazam out of context scans, I don't know the context of these out of context scans, so it is pointless to use them as evidence.

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#34) Cosmic Odyssey: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#35) Superman Volume 2 #153: This is not Post-Fashpoint, so it is pointless to use as evidence.

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#36) You proved s**t, @ManofPower. Most of your feats are not even the version of Superman we are debating, you can't even come up with your own arguments, and you don't read the comic in which a feat happens in before you claim anything concerning it. All you did was prove to everyone what a subpar debater you are. With that said, nice try, and good luck debunking anything I said.

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@SirSpidey give me around a half hour maybe a hour and I'll be ready K?

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#1) Here is a list of Universal level beings that Thor has defeated:

- The Destroyer (Thor Volume 3 #5, Page #18, Panel #4)
- Surtur and Ymir (Thor Volume 1 #425, Page #21, Panel #2)
- Mangog (Thor Volume 2 #25, Page #18, Panel #4)
- Mephisto (Thor Volume 1 #205, Page #19, Panel #3 and Thor Volume 1 #310, Page #21, Panel #6)
- An Odinforce Empowered Majeston Zelia (Thor Volume 2 #12, Page #32, Panel #2)
- Ego (Thor Volume 1 #227, Page #13, Panel #4)
- Glory (Chaos War: Thor #1, Page #10, Panel #3)
- Galactus (Thor Volume 1 #161, Page #18, Panel #4)
- The Void (Siege Volume 1 #4, Page #17, Panel #1)

In which comic/s has Superman defeated any Universal level being as powerful as the ones listed above?

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