Can Superman break captain America shield??

Me

@Dub217018: that was perfectly valid since he had the Power Stone to do so.

Since thor broke the shield superman can too. Now I know what your going to say "thor is magic and superman doesn't have magic so he can't break the shield." Actually thor's so called "magic" is only in his hammer. And yes he did use the hammer to break it that's not the point. The only magic in the hammer is to make sure no one else can wield, weather control and maybe some enhancement of general physical ability(strength, speed, stamina, etc.) But the hammer does not weaken anything that it's hitting. It's incredible strength also doesn't come from magic. It comes from the hammer being forged from the heart of a star. Now if you want the exact measurements for his hammer and other things go on youtube and look up captain America's shield versus saitama made by film theory (awesome youtuber, you should check out his other vids). Now in the video he uses the movies as his source but we know that he did break it in the comics and we know that superman can perform better than saitama in the situation that film theory presents.

It's wrong if he can break it

Wrong

It can many charachters did

It can't. Magic really the only way

Cap shield is now overrated
Why it cant be break physically ?
Im sure it has one level ,if someone cross level and punch it will definitely break

It's really not overrated at all. While it can't be broken by pure strength, magic users can and have broken it before. It's definitely not the strongest weapon ever it's more symbolic

Ur wrong it can be broken by pure strength

No it can't. Why haven't Hulk or Thor done so?

If hulk is angry enough he can Thor can godblast the shield

Actually thor did

Literally no one agrees

I'm just saying we should establish the force that would destroy it.

We need some sort of frame of reference

We have, magic and omnipotent users

And literally no one is just you

More people here agree with me so it's not just me

But since it has been broken through non omnipotent and non magical beings what would break it

@Tyrannus matter manipulation can destroy the shield meaning someone like Captain Atom or Silver Surfer could break it.

@Wic23 No it won't. We've seen beings like Hulk and Thor try and fail. If they can't Superman definitely won't be able to

@Dark_Wing Good point but this is Superman

Ok you have said your self molecule man destroys it. He broke it down on the molecular level right @tyrannus?

Right

ok then because I just did some research and I had forgotten about superman's infinite mass punch which breaks down anything he hits at a molecular level

Still won't break it. If he's apply kinetic energy onto the shield it break. Molecule man pulls apart atoms without such energy or force.

It can break using kinetic energy.

http://geekandsundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/the-serpent.jpg

That's not how vibranium works. Add that to the fact that it's alloyed with adamantium and uru and you got yourself an unbreakable shield

Did you see the link

I did. Serpant can damage the shield the same way Thor could. Superman cannot

Uh, @Tyr that was not Cul, that was a different serpent, let me fix the link for you http://geekandsundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/the-serpent.jpg

I don't think a supernova can destroy Captain America's shield.

Thank you @darkwing

Since it can be broken by sheer strength and superman can produce infinite strength with his infinite mass punch that means yes he can break it

@Wic agreed

Serpant's powers are still derived from magic. Sheer strength alone isn't enough

That is not the magic serpent

Uh, is the image you showed us not the Magic Serpent?

No that's Cul

Cul is Serpant

@Tyrannus: did you click the link?

I did

Then you should have seen thats not the Serpent from Fear Itself...

His very being is based from magic as a Norse god

No that's the Cul serpent this is a different serpent

Then superman didn't break it the sun did

Still counts if Superman tosses it in the sun

No the question is whether superman can break it or not, not whether the sun can or not

I think he can break it but that's not how

Ok the question is whether superman could break it not whether he is stronger or weaker than hulk and thor. If you want to argue that than I made a forum for it

He didn't say they're stronger he said if they couldn't break the shield neither will Superman. Proof

But he can still use any number of his powers and destroy it

Like what? We've already debunked heat vision, freeze breath and brute strength

Ok the we you keep talking about is just you. And pre-remake superman could make up powers on the fly

And you didn't debunk anything. When it comes to heat vision you provided some evidence so I'll stay away from that one. But when it comes to strength you used physics to say that his shield absorbs energy but then you refused to except the actual physics that exist. Then with freeze breath along with a lot of other things you just said it wouldn't work without any sort of evidence

And then when you use fake evidence which I debunk. And you say that any evidence I use is fake without even checking

Hulk or Thor can Break the shield

They both have failed.

I think you meant pre-crisis Superman and that's long been retconned. What physics have I denied? The Infinity stones?

How much of heat tho? The uru metal is magical. You can't evaporate or melt it.

@Clint_Barton Exactly

The physics of how energy absorption works. I clearly must have missed the physics class where they said hey guys these laws we've been talking about, the ones that if we were without no universe could fundamentally exist. They don't apply if some dude on a forum says they don't anymore

Lol I haven't broken science mate. It's because of physics that only magic and omnipotence and break it because they can defy science

No I just said that anyone with enough strength could destroy it. But no one but superman has that much strength

Also the fact that it can only be broken by magic and omnipotent beings is not true because non magical and non omnipotent beings have broken it.

Ultron Broke the shield hulk thor superman are stronger then Ultron also im sure the godblast would destroy the shield and hulk Will become angry enough to destroy it

thank you

The is plenty of people stronger than Superman. Hulk and Thor tried and failed

Ultron broke it because it wasn't canon. We don't know what the shield's made off.

The. Shield. Ultron. Broke. Wasn't. His. Current. Shield.

Yes

It's been debunked that he can't already

No you didn't I debunked that

You still haven't replied to my original answered that debunked this question. You've just made empty claims since

I decide to ignore it because everyone who has been through basic physics that any object that absorbs energy, if given too much, will break

This is comics. Basic physics isn't always obeyed. If you refuse to look at the facts then that dismantles your whole point

You just decided not to look at the facts

I presented the facts when I made the original comment. You admitted you ignored it proving your wrong. Sorry

No I said the thing that makes captain America's shield breakable is impossible to be without in any universe

You claimed just because the infinity stones can break the shield any strong person can which is way off

No I am saying that although yes in some universes you can change some parts but there are certain building blocks of the universe that if you removed them then the universe in question would crumble

Which is why only magic and omnipotent beings can destroy the shield. The shield was made to be unbreakable so in order to break it you need to defy reality

It was not made unbreakable it was made to be strong it has been broken at least 15 different times and 4 of them not being omnipotent or magic

And the power stone does not define reality it works within the laws of the universe

Vibranium is the perfect metal alloy in that in just absorbs kinetic energy. Adding adamantium makes it all the more better. I've already spoken about the non magic users. The Infinity stones make you omnipotent so that would allow the shield to break

No you haven't spoken about non magical beings you just said they weren't canon and that they didn't actually do it

I've mentioned before how the Infinity stones and omnipotent being can. That's not magic.

I can see Cap deflecting the heat vision rather than melt

But you cant deflect freezing

Even freezing it won't work. Something that strong won't simply break, even when frozen and shattered, the shield will remain

Only magic users or infinity stones can break the shield

I just proved that wasn't true and nowhere in the comics or the movies does it say that

And as I said above he can melt it or freeze it or do whatever he wants to with it

Freezing or melting isn't breaking and even then The shield should resist extreme temperatures better than you'd think. Who's Serpent? When did that happen. Cap's shield has never been broken by anything other than magic or an infinity stone

Number one the power stone is a cosmic power which means it works within the bounds of the universe so does molecule man so that means that the universe has conventional methods of destroying it. Number 2 of course melting or freezing count as breaking. I'm sure everyone else on this forum will agree
Number 3 I didn't want to originally bring this up because I thought everything I had said was enough but if you read some of the older comics, like bronze age, you will see that superman has every single power there is. And number 4 just look up marvel serpent and one of the first pictures is him breaking the shield with his bear hands

The Infinity Stones make the user nigh-omnipotent so of course that would break the shield but just because it obeys the rules of science any strong person can break it. Hulk, Thor, Thanos and many others have tried and failed. Superman would hurt his hand if he tried

Look at number 3 and you keep saying how the shield can't be broken with sheer strength but the power stone is sheer strength. Superman once punched his way out of the phantom zone. Let me remind you in the phantom zone you have no physical form.

Also you neglected to acknowledge 2 3 and 4

Also you only mention molecule man thanks and thor when it comes to breaking the shield but the sentinels have also broken it with their bear hands. So did hyperion and Gregory stark and ultron and namora

Dr Doom broke it, as far as I can recall.

Then superman sure can

Superman is not Doctor Doom.

Superman is more powerfull and stronger then doom

Dr Doom is the master of science and magic. He'd have figured a way to break something that can't be broken by sheer force.

@Wic23 The power stone once made up a god that died and created the stones. Superman is not a god nor omnipotent. Also I have no idea what your on about 2,3 and 4.

he's physically stronger than doom

As I have said in another comment a sentinel also broke. And so did ultron

No they didn't

Yes they did go to screen rant and search 15 characters that broke captain America's shield

The sentinel's attack wasn't canon and it's not confirmed that Ultron broke the shield

Ok what you can't just say oh that's not canon and it works. It is perfectly canon it even provides the actual comic strip where it happens. Same with ultron

It was on another earth. We don't know what the shield was made off. In some instances the shield is just made of steel

616's vibranium, adamantium and uru alloyed shield

Not only has this been debunked that Superman can ever hope to destroy the shield, he's weaker than Hulk and Thor

Yaa may be he can't break

@Akhil I think you forgot to mention it is also enjanced by uru metal.

@Clint_Barton OMG, I forgot that. Shoot. Well, that is a really good point though.

Yes the shield can absorb the impact but as we learn in basic physics that an object that absorbs energy takes some of the energy in. And since we know that his shield can be broken that means 20 quintillion tons of force could snap crackle pop that thing

Also the infinity stone being cosmic doesn't mean that regular things can brake it. The power stone is all the energy in the universe but it does not brake the laws of the universe. This means it can be broken through conventional methods

@Wic23 While objects do absorb some energy, vibranium is unique in that it absorbs close to 0% of that energy and instead converts it into something that can be repelled back. No one said the power stone defies the laws of physics which is why we said only magic and the Infinity Gauntlet can break the shield. Superman has neither

I agree that the marvel universe works on different laws. How else would superman fly or hulk smash. But the laws that go into something like this are so fundamental if you left them out then the universe would crumble

Yes and the shield was made to be unbreakable. Only magic and omnipotent beings can break something that shouldn't break

It was not made to made to be that way you just say it was. They just made it to be tough.

It's famous for being the shield that never breaks. i know it has broken before but they're very rare

So you can't say that it can only be broken by magical or omnipotent beings

In 616 it hasn't

Superman is so much more powerful than thor

@Wic23 he's not

Let's be nice to each other, okay?

@Anti_Monitor Starting off with insults eh. Always a sign someone doesn't know what they're talking about. Vibranium absorbs kinetic energy. The Adamantium only makes it that much stronger.

No he can't

@Tyrannus So someone without his peak strength could lift 200 Quintillion tons with 1 hand can't break a shield?

@EmptyHand Do you know what Cap's shield is made off. I've already debunked this in my first comment

Oh trust me @Tyrannus. You don't want to see Superman's strength when he's pissed off

Like I already said I debunked why Superman can't do anything to the shield. It's not a matter of punching the shield even stronger because vibranium absorbs kinetic energy. The adamantium only makes it that much stronger.

@Jakcj Superman could be crying, it wouldn't matter. He can't break the shield

Cul and Thor are Norse gods and empowered by magic. Thanos was powered by the power stone from his infinity gauntlet

Oops, I forgot that Thor had the Odinpower when he did that and Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet.

@Dark_Wing Yeah. Thor had the Odin-Force (and he still only dented it) and Thanos used the Power Stone. Also, Cul used powerful magic to do so. Superman has none of those 3. He can't get past it.

also uru metal since fear itself