Team Lucifer MorningstarvsTeam Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)

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Lucifer MorningstarSamaelVertigo

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The PresenceThe PresencePrime Earth

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Elaine BellocElaine BellocVertigo

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OvervoidMonitor-MindPrime Earth

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Michael DemiurgosMichael DemiurgosVertigo

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Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)BeyonderEarth-616

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The One-Above-AllThe One-Above-AllEarth-616

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The Living TribunalEarth-616

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The FulcrumThe FulcrumEarth-616

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The One Below AllThe One Below AllEarth-616

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Hesperus 1 mo 16 d

Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) #

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Team Lucifer Morningstar All of existence is dream created by God ,The Divine Presence contains and Transcend everything in Creation, and Everything backs into The Divine Presence

In DeMatteis Cosmology, The Divine Presence itself unknowable in its true form and can only be perceived as " the smile behind creation". the Divine Presence/Smile/God fills a similar role as Hindu concept of Brahman - the Eternal truth, Ultimate reality which all things had originated.

this version of the Presence Wins 10/10

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Salen1110 1 mo 16 d

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Team Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) And he was created by external force

Hesperus 1 mo 15 d

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Team Lucifer Morningstar @Salen1110. Although the Presence has stated in Lucifer that He is infinite and eternal, He also said that He was shaped by external forces. It is Important to note writer Mike Carey later clarified as referring to the collective dreams, stories and beliefs of humanity that change reality backwards and forwards and and create the gods they worship. keep in mind The Presence speaks of being given shape by the "Collective Unconscious. while in his utmost highest form he is beyond such concepts and transcends all thing.

I'm talking about the Presence presented by the writer J.M. DeMatteis. DeMatteis refers to the Presence as a Divine Presence— that transcends even the formless Void before creation, It is described as existing within an infinite, unmanifested field, similar to the Hindu concept of the sea of Brahma. The Divine Presence". contains and transcends absolutely everything and every things in creation.