Team T-800 (Terminator)vsTeam Darth Vader

Team Darth Vader And there's Pennywise's true form

Team Darth Vader But wouldn't we assume this fight happens in the real world?

Team T-800 (Terminator) Define 'real'. They're all from different universes.

Team Darth Vader *Burned*

Team Darth Vader i chose for pennywise

Team Darth Vader oh...

Team T-800 (Terminator) I agree with Galactus. Neo is a cyberpotent. it has unlimited power in cyberspace. Cyberpotence is a variation on Almost Omnipotence.

Team T-800 (Terminator) Just watch the movie for Alexandra Daddario. Turn it into something possitive.

Team Darth Vader thats a good suggestion

Team Darth Vader lol

Team Darth Vader No because there is the terminator, he does not have a mind to manipulate

Team Darth Vader percy

Team Darth Vader Why must he die?

Team Darth Vader it is in explainable

Team Darth Vader He can't solo, but he probably takes half of them

Team Darth Vader Vader>Neo

Team Darth Vader That's only while he's in the matrix. In the real world he's just a human.

Team Darth Vader He still isn't up there with a kryptonian or a sith lord.

Team Darth Vader Thor is the MVP of team 2 but sill Team 1 >>> Team 2

Team Darth Vader There's no profile for IT seperately, so I'm treating this as full powered Pennywise. Either way, Neo doesn't reach Wanda's level of power either way, regardless of what hax he has.

Team Darth Vader Wanda>Neo
Darth Vader can't solo, but he certainly takes out almost everyone

Team Darth Vader Wanda can definitely defeat neo, she can twist any of them to her side, or just create something to defeat them

Team Darth Vader Wanda is easily above Mera, I still don't see any reason she couldn't reality warp them both into plants

Team Darth Vader Wanda at the end of Endgame was already >> Thanos. Now she's exponentially more powerful. That's enough to shred Neo apart.

Team Darth Vader Wanda could just create a new westview and enslave everyone if team 1 starts to lose

Team Darth Vader Wanda can beat Doctor Strange too

Team Darth Vader @R165 Maybe through hax but Wanda has that hax too as well as power so it seems pretty clearcut at that point. Plus what @Savage said.

Team Darth Vader @AkhilPDX I agree that Wanda is the most powerful avenger now.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Neo cannot move even at the speed of light, this is too slow for characters like Vader who have already defended himselve from machines that shot dozens of blasters faster than the speed of light at the same time and Vader defended himself from every blaster without any difficulty.

Team Darth Vader But he has no time to stop time because he is too slow.

Team Darth Vader Vader or Wanda can kill Neo before he does anything. Wanda can absolutely defeat Doctor Strange, she's specifically said to be more powerful than him.

Team Darth Vader She has great feats, and is said to be super powerful. Why do you doubt wand's skill level?

not voted Time manipulation makes a big difference in this fight due to Neo's omniscient powers. Neo pretty much one-shots MCU Thanos in Avengers Endgame.

Team Darth Vader Wanda can take down Neo and Freddy, though she can't solo

Team Darth Vader scarlet witch makes difference

Team Darth Vader not really

Team Darth Vader that neo can't beat sw
sw beats 60-70%

not voted More of a stalemate in my opinion.

Team Darth Vader Darth Vader really turns the tide

Team Darth Vader neo's not that powerful

Team Darth Vader @R165 Wanda has all those too.

Team Darth Vader Well add on Vader to Wanda and they defeat him

Team Darth Vader freddy is useless he losses to teenagers

Team Darth Vader Why on earth would the battle take place in the dream realm? Does team 1 win so easily they fall asleep?

Team Darth Vader Wanda can blink and end them both

Team Darth Vader Wanda could destroy them, or just brainwash them to carrots, or change them into different people, or even better, get them to fight on her side

Team Darth Vader have you seen the latest wandavision episode?

Team Darth Vader Perhaps, but with Vader they destroy

Team Darth Vader @Lazada Have you watched WandaVision?

Team Darth Vader And Wanda could defeat her by mind control.

Team Darth Vader Wanda could change reality so that Mera is on her side

Team Darth Vader @R165 If he didn't use it against her, that's a moot point... which, I don't remember him doing.

Team Darth Vader Either way it's beyond mind control, she can literally change peoples minds, untill they're a different person

Team Darth Vader It's not even mind control in that way, she can actually reality warp their minds

Team Darth Vader That's not true at all, she literally created that vision, and monica is completely rewritten by her

Team Darth Vader Wdym "in your opinion", we know what happened, wanda warped the entire towns minds

Team Darth Vader I did not. Wanda's abilities still work on a higher scale and she's more powerful in general. Until that changes, I doubt it I will.

Team Darth Vader I know I'm very late but my reasonings the same as @Savage. The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider unnatural.

Team Darth Vader

Team Darth Vader And Vader can destroy that dimension (Dream Realm), also he can use mind control.

Team Darth Vader They aren't going into the dream dimension.
Wanda is clearly said to be the creator and caretaker of westview.
Vader and Wanda combined might solo

Team Darth Vader @Pedrof Someone who finally got that reference

Team Darth Vader @R165 For the last time, the fights not in the dream realm, and freddy gets beat up by kids

Team Darth Vader How does Katniss beat John Wick. He is more accurate with his guns than she is with arrows. And if it gets into hand to hand, he annihilates her.

Team Darth Vader But can neo reality warp

Team Darth Vader By the way we can all agree Wanda's New outfit is AMAZING!!!

Team Darth Vader @R165 What feats does neo have other than dodging bullets, plus scarlet won't fight neo alone All they have to do is kill Neo, and they focus all they power on Abomination.

Team Darth Vader Mera Is not touching wanda, Mera only claps wanda if there in the water thought also can't they both create force fields

Team Darth Vader I never said she could

Team Darth Vader Not much when Superman and Scarlet Witch are there.

Team Darth Vader @Lazada the reason I've barely even spoke about Bella is because she is almost useless.

Team Darth Vader @R165 How can Abomination beat Superman???

Team Darth Vader No. Hulk won because of his power, not because plot. He one-shotted a Leviathan, toppled Surter, fought Thor as equals on more than one occasion, withstood the Nano Gauntlet and held a large portion of Avengers Mansion immediately afterward in his weakest incarnation, etc.

Team Darth Vader No. Hulk's physiology allows him to evolve during the fight, getting stronger as he gets angrier. That's not plot, that's just him evolving.

Team Darth Vader Katniss won't be able to defeat John Wick, with or without weapons. Superman stomps half the team by himself. Wanda also stomps most of the team by herself.

Team Darth Vader John Wick rarely misses a shot and he can take a ton of damage. John is a far better martial artist than Katniss. Katniss is skilled, but John is far more skilled. And he would just pull out a gun and shoot her. Can you explain how Thor can keep up with Superman in this fight. Superman could defeat Thor, Abomination, Homelander, and Mera with no problem.

Team Darth Vader So you think because because Katniss can dodge knives, she can dodge extremely accurate gunshots that are 1000 mph. And can Thor even keep up with Superman. No, he can't. He has no feats that puts him anywhere near Superman.

Team Darth Vader I mean, John beats Katniss every time, but it is irrelevant because Superman takes out Harry, Mera, T-800, and Katniss in literally a blink of an eye. Wanda and Vader combined can just immobilize the rest of them, force their eyes open, and make them look into ITs deadlights.

Team Darth Vader @R165 I have watched all Hunger Games movies and read the 3 books. John is just one tough guy to put down. He is a master of hand to hand combat, far better than Katniss. Yes, Katniss is very creative, but John could just shoot her. He is a master with guns. But let's be honest, they don't matter in this battle. And you still haven't explained how Thor and Abomination can even touch Superman. Superman annihilated Steppenwolf. Steppenwolf is superior to Abomination in about every way.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Dude, nobody on team two can match Shazam, Superman, Vader, and maybe Bella in speed. That alone can win them the fight. Superman is just a smarter, faster, indestructible, and just as hard hitting version of Thor. I dont know why you keep making Abomination a factor in this fight. He is just a nerfed Hulk, and its not even the comic version of him, so he sucks in this fight. None of team two could survive getting their necks instantly snapped from Vaders force choke either. Having a force user is basically a win unless you have a specific counter. Also, have you seen WandaVision? Wanda could literally solo team 2. Her only weakness is Freddy because he would get inside her head, but even then, she has the rest of the team backing her up. And because we are having this Katniss vs John Wick debate, John Wick is a highly trained, lethal assassin that is known for doing impossibly hard tasks, killing everybody in his way, and almost never missing. He can take down an entire building full of highly trained guards with a pistol and his bare hands. If he got into a fight with Katniss he would literally just shoot her in the face. Being able to dodge throwing knives is not comparable to a Bullet. He would not hesitate. He would shoot before she even realized he was there.

Team Darth Vader Ok first, what makes you think all of them would fight that specific person. If they were all on a battle field they would not just fight one specific person. Like I doubt Superman is going to kill Thor and then just stand there. He would then kill most of team two lol, but like you're saying terminator would kill IT but IT would not keep fighting T-800 after he realizes he cant beat him. And I also dont know why you would think Katniss could somehow kill John Wick with a bomb before he just shoots her. Im just going with no Prep time here and therefore John would shoot her in the blink of an eye in the head. She wouldnt even have time to pull some bomb out of her ass. Another thing is Mera has no feats in the movies. She isnt just spawning a Tsunami that can overpower Shazam who literally has the power of 6 GODS. And she isnt just spawning a Mossasaurus. Youre assuming that they are by the ocean which is a massive disadvantage but even then, Shazam would just light bolt it and it would explode. Neo is the only person who has shown speed fast enough to almost slow time or freeze time. Last time I checked Mera wasnt swimming at light speed and portals do not make you fast. Half of team two wouldnt be in the fight because they would be killed almost instantly. You cant expect them to all fight one person. And when has Katniss had superhuman reflexes. She doesnt. She is also nowhere near as smart as John Wick. Maybe in survival, but he trumps her in literally everything. Katniss isnt even educated. She is a peasant who knows how to use a bow. She can barely even kill most of the kids she is fighting in the Hunger Games. How would she have any chance against a lethal assassin who kills hundreds of the best assassins on earth who are trying to find him.

Team Darth Vader @R165 And there is no way in hell Thor is beating Superman. Thor has been showed to get bloody when beaten. Thor is very nerfed in the MCU. He moves at regular speed unless he is flying but even then he isnt fast to the point where every body is moving in slow motion. He got beaten bloody by Hulk and Thanos. Superman has never been hurt that bad unless Kryptonite has been involved and he still wasnt spitting blood up like a fountain. Superman would punch Thor thousands of times in a matter of miliseconds. Thor wouldnt even see it coming. He would have no time to react. Comic book versions would be another story but movie Thor gets clapped. Also, if it is a fight to the death, Superman has no morals. He would look for the kill in which case team two would be decimated by him. Superman doesnt have specific morals as he has been blood thristy before and he has been pro life before. Vaders force is probably 10,000 times stronger than Neos telekinesis and Vader has countered attacks that were moving at light speed. Neo has dodged bullets. Bullets have no comparison to the speed of light. Vader would just snap his neck. The force is omnipresent. He could snap all of their necks at once. No sweat.

Team Darth Vader Its a fight to the death. Morals have no place here. Mera was able to remove the blood from Steppenwolf which was impressive but it literally did nothing to him before he just threw her aside. Aqua man had to come save her and even then they lost. Superman destroyed Steppenwolf.

And tell me how Katniss could throw a bomb faster than John Wick can pull a trigger? Katniss was not holding back, she just wasnt good and she just had to outsmart those who could beat her in a fight, which was literally everybody. Katniss might win in long term battles of waiting the opponent out, but when it comes to having a 1v1 she is not very impressive.

Pennywise can also shape shift into whatever he wants to be. Terminator is definitely immune to whatever IT throws its way, but T-800 cant just kill it. And again, when IT realizes, ¨Oh shit, he isnt scared of me¨ He will just go scare somebody else. And if it is a fight to the death Pennywise can just kill. He only scares his victims because it makes them tastier. For example, Pennywise immediately kills that one dude at the beginning of IT 2.

And what makes team 2 have a good partnership??? That makes no sense. What gives them a better partnership than team 1? They have never met each other before. The argument of partnership cannot be made for either of these two teams. Both of us do not know how they would interact with each other.

Also, how can Thor and Abomination immediately defeat those weaker than them? Neither of them have super speed. Abomination has no feats that put him anywhere near team 1s characters. His one and only appearance was him getting choked out by Hulk. And if it is a fight to the death Pennywise can just kill. He only scares his victims because it makes them tastier. For example, Pennywise immediately kills that one dude at the beginning of IT 2.

Team Darth Vader @R165 And you are severely underestimating the amount of power Darth Vader and Wanda have. Severely. They could solo. The speed is light is still faster than the speed of an average lightning bolt due to air conditions.

Team Darth Vader @R165 You cant just say that they would have amazing team work out of nowhere. If youre going to say that then I will just say the same for team 1.

Another thing is that you basically had to handicap IT because you know that team 1 is easily winning this fight. You keep making these excuses for why team 1 wouldnt use their full powers.

Also, why does IT have to fight T-800? If they were all lined up to fight, you think they would just lock on to one person and only fight that one person? No. And if you keep saying that people will work together, you are just proving that they can fight whoever they want, therefore Superman would just speed blitz all of team 2. There is no way in hell Neo is beating Vader and I guarantee you Wanda has 7 times the amount of reality manipulation than Neo and Freddy combined.

And if Abomination is 2 times the power house of Hulk, why did he die by getting choked out by the Hulk? He is not anywhere near Hulks level. He is literally a worse Hulk.

And how can Thor and Abomination instantly kill anybody that is weaker than them on team 2 when they do not have super speed? And you are right. All you have to do to stop Mera from doing her little blood withdrawl is to throw her aside. Every single person on team 1 could do that with 0 effort.

And you said she is dodging Johns shot? That is false but even if she did dodge his bullet, he has 7 more in the chamber. He isnt going to just shoot one and stand there. Remember he is used to fighting high tier assassins and she is just a peasant who learned how to fight. He will shoot her multiple times to ensure she is dead. She will not have any time to do anything. She cannot possibly dodge all of his bullets because that would mean that she is moving 1700 miles per hour which is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard. So basically she can try and dodge the bullets and get hit anyway or she can try and attack him and get hit anyway. He isnt missing his shots.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Ok first, when Mera was taking the water and blood out of Steppenwolf, it was an extremely slow process that barely affected him.

Second, if you can defend Abomination with plot armor than I could do the same with Pennywise.

Third, I guarantee you that every person on team 1 except Bumblebee, Bella, and John Wick could easily one shot Mera.

You do know that the force is Omnipresent right? Therefore, its already around every single person on team 2s neck? Vader has molecular manipulation and could just unassemble team 2. Team 1 doesnt even need to work together. It is an easy clap.

And no, Pennywise does not need to fight T-800. You keep saying that people on team 2 will team up on people on team 1, so you're saying that team 2 can fight whoever they want but team 1 cant? Because in that case, Superman would literally speed blitz team 2.

Team Darth Vader @R165 The only person who is human level endurance would be John Wick and maybe Scarlet Witch.

If you arent going to let Pennywise actually use his full power, I guess I dont care because team 1 still claps team two.

Percy is literally fighting Gods. How is Mera, some dumb Mermaid with hardly any feats doing anything to him? His water manipulation is probably better than hers.

Why does she keep getting the Mossasurus? Thats getting outside help. I guess Vader can just call in a Star destroyer then.

And this is one question I want you to answer. What on gods earth is Mera, Katniss, Harry, and T-800 going to do against Supermans Speed blitz? Superman is fast enough to keep up and rival the speed of the Flash. Did you see what the flash did in Zack Snyders Justice League? Nobody on team 2 has that kind of speed. Neo is fast but not that fast.

Also, Shazam could be arguably on Supermans level if he got a little more experience in. You are sleeping on Shazam. Shazam could lightning blast the Mossasaurus and instantly blow it up.

Again, Scarlet Witch easily trumps Neo and Freddys reality warping combined. Team 2 just doesn't have it.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Also, youre assuming that they would be by water. What if they arent? Mera cant just spawn water. Therefore she is useless. Even with water she is basically useless. You keep making these nobody characters factors in this fight, its hilarious.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Ok, im starting to realize there is no getting it through to you that team 1 will beat team 2 every single time. It so obvious. Look at the votes.

Thor and Abomination couldnt keep up with Shazams speed for one thing. Scarlet Witch easily has many feats that would allow her to decimate all of team two let alone Neo and Freddy.

Using morals is so cheap, because so many heros dont kill. Superman would without a hint of hesitation kill everyone in this fight. If Neo rewrites history, so will Wanda.

Lets say they are in an arena in the middle of the desert. Or a continent. Where is the Mossasaurus coming from? Lets say it does show up, do you think it could do anything? Superman and Shazam would easily kill the Mossasaurus in a heart beat. Steppenwolf is so weak its not even funny. Dont even get me started with nobody has better endurance than him. The only reason he didnt get destroyed right away was because of that cheap ass armor he had. Superman literally shredded him with laser beams. Percy has killed Cyclops, Gods, Medusa, mythological creatures, and many other beings. Mera has what? Beat 5 mermaids in a fight? Got beat up by weak ass steppenwolf? Those are her feats. She cannot just rip the water out of people. It took her like 3 seconds to take the tiniest amount out of steppenwolfs face. Pennywise is literally just one of Its fear tactics. Many kids fear clowns so it takes the appearance of one. Its so dumb that you are locking it into that form. Thats like saying Abomination has to be Emil Blonsky.

Team Darth Vader @R165 how do you know it will be Mera and Freddy? And do you think that the other team will just stand there? Superman himself defeats Abomination and Thor with no problem. Then he could just one-shot Mera and Freddy.

Team Darth Vader I do think Superman will defeat Thor quite easily. Thor is my favorite MCU character, but he loses badly. Thor has the power to defeat Superman, but not the speed. Thor is just as fast as Steppenwolf, and we saw how that went down.

Team Darth Vader @DeanDinosaur6, that's the same reason (one of the reasons) why Thor loses to Darth Vader.

Team Darth Vader Mera and Freddy won't be enough to defeat Wanda. Mera is essentially fodder and Freddy would be crushed, similar to what happened with Thanos. Perhaps if he messed with her emotions, but do you really want to do that to Wanda? Also, Thor would be held off by Superman and defeated if Shazam helps, and Vader would fodderize Abomination.
Thor wins in skill and durability, Superman wins in speed, they stalemate in strength, it's a hard fight overall.

Once more: Vader solos most of the people, Shazam, Superman, and Scarlet Witch clean up anyone left behind.

Team Darth Vader @R165, you do realise that Vader is way faster than Thor (MCU) and he can use mind control, matter manipulation, force freeze, etc. Thor has no chance.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Thor and Superman will not stalemate. This is not the comic versions where I do think they will nearly stalemate. This Superman is stronger than Hulk. I would say Thor and Wonder Woman are at least comparable, and Superman easily defeated Wonder Woman.

Team Darth Vader When has he went anywhere near lightning speed?

Team Darth Vader Have you seen the newest episode of Wandavision? And Superman. Plus Vader and Shazam could be very useful.

Team Darth Vader Can they withstand her attacks too. If they work together they might be able to do something, but Wanda is so powerful in this new episode and there is a post credit that is showing her becoming even more powerful when researching the Darkhold

Team Darth Vader It doesn't matter that Wanda has the physicality of a normal human, she is so powerful that I don't think Mera can do anything. I think Wanda will be able to defeat Mera before Mera can create a tsunami. And I also think Freddy will do what he does best: not take it seriously. That will be his biggest disadvantage.

Team Darth Vader Let's say Mera and Freddy do that, Wanda can still release an extreme amount of energy and defeat them. Plus Wanda also can blast energy out of her hands. And I still think if she wanted to, she will just mind control her

Team Darth Vader @R165

*Superman Vs Homelander
*Wanda Vs Harry Potter
*Bumblebee Vs T-800
John Wick Vs Katniss*
*Thor Vs Shazam
*Neo Vs Darth Vader
*Pennywise Vs Freddy
Bella Vs Mera*
Percy Vs Abomnation*
Superman, Wanda, Pennywise, and Bumblebee Obilterate everyone left alive

Team Darth Vader Scarlet Witch absolutely annihilates Mera. John Wick defeats Katniss before she can even grab an arrow.

Team Darth Vader Also Vader defeats Harry

Team Darth Vader Yeah Harry isn't lasting 10 seconds against Vader.

Team Darth Vader You do know Wanda can mind control her just by moving her hand a bit.

Team Darth Vader How can Vader be defeated by Neo? I mean I don't know him.

Team Darth Vader My take with those matchups:
Percy Jackson vs Harry Potter* (movies Percy sucks)
Darth Vader* vs Homelander
Bella Swan vs Neo* (not that familiar with Swan, I'm gonna go with your opinion to be safe)
Superman (DCEU) vs Thor (DCEU)*
Pennywise* vs T-800
Scarlet Witch* vs Mera (stomp)
Shazam* vs Freddy Krueger
Bumblebee^ vs Abomination^ (not sure about this one)
John Wick* vs Katniss Everdeen (Wick wins in both weaponry and combat skill)

Vader* vs Potter (deflects spells with lightsaber, speedblitz, instant kill via the Force, etc.)
Pennywise vs Neo*
Scarlet Witch* vs Thor (Close fight originally, but Superman vs Thor is much closer than Wanda vs Mera)
Shazam, Bumblebee, John Wick* vs Abomination (oof)

Vader, Scarlet Witch, Shazam, Bumblebee, John Wick* vs Neo (Vader, Wanda, Shazam all solo)

Team Darth Vader The one I don't agree with is Thor vs Superman. Superman wins due to his insane speed advantage.

Team Darth Vader @R165 it does not take physical contact. I have no idea where you got that from. A few episodes back on Wandavision, she simultaneously mind controlled like 12 S.W.O.R.D guards while being 30 feet away.

Team Darth Vader @R165 I don't think he has time to do that...

Team Darth Vader Well, you haven't show me a proof of that...

Team Darth Vader @R165 I think Wanda just has so many things to do to defeat Mera. If Mera tried to do a tsunami, Wanda can create force fields.

Team Darth Vader How will Katniss defeat John Wick? I have watched all the Hunger Games movies and read all the books, there is nothing she can do to defeat John Wick.

Team Darth Vader @Lazada I know Mera is faster, but Wanda can manipulate time and just stop her from doing it before she does it.

Team Darth Vader Ok, but he has no time to do that if he can't even move at the speed of light.

Team Darth Vader What I'm telling is that it doesn't matter if Neo has time manipulation, he can't use it against Darth Vader if he can't move even at the speed of light.

Team Darth Vader @R165 no i didn't see it, and Hypersonic combat speed is way too slow to fight against Vader.

Team Darth Vader @R165 Vader can kill Neo before he even starts fighting.

Team Darth Vader Aren't these fights all "don't hold back"?