The thing is though this can be said about every mainstream member of the JL.
Superman needs no explanation.
WW has no weaknesses and is on par with Superman.
Batman already has plans to take everyone out.
Green Lantern should be able to take out every JL member if he actually used his imagination and stopped holding back.
Flash would end everyone before they knew it.
Shazam is stronger than Superman and almost as fast as Flash.
Dc has better characters and more potenial then marvel
batman doesnt need prep time bc he is always prepared for everything i also do believe he is amongst one of the most powerfull characters
deathstroke beats deadpool low diff
I used to kinda dislike him but i later learned that disliking someone just bc u dislike them is pretty pointless I'm honestly not a big fan of his content I tried watching him and imo he just isn't entertaining or funny but i don't really really hate him but i could see other people hating him
@Ultron yeah I mean I disliked his content not as a person thou. Why would you dislike someone even thou you don't know them. I guess I should have said "I dislike PewdiePie's content that would have been more clear.
Eh, I really hated how they changed A-train and Black Noir’s races for literally no reason. Also black noir’s identity and role in the story was way better in the comics.
batmans villians are boring bc most of them are just pyscopaths or mental broken people and sure with some of them its fun like joker and black mask but i feel like most villians are just regular humans with no real powers which gives very little to no variation
The top 3 greatest superheros, in any order, have to be Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. The fourth greatest however, if we're attempting to be purely objective, is honestly the Thing. Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Hulk, and Captain America are all good contenders, but I can argue the Thing over any of them in terms of character writing, influence, and importance to the genre.
That's quite the bold claim. As Ben is famous for being a FF member I'm assuming your saying the Thing was the most popular and also the face of the FF too right? I personally always saw all 4 of them equally with Mr Fantastic being slightly ahead as he was the brains and de facto leader. However I have to disagree about the Thing being anywhere near close to 4th place.
Wonder Woman is part of the trinity for DC and was well famous even before her movies and TV shows. I'd also include Robin because of how famous Batman and Robin were together.
The X-Men were as popular as Spider-Man and Wolverine was seen as the face of the mutants.
Hulk was also seen as Marvel's big 3 (Spider-Man, Wolverine and Hulk). In fact Hulk was actually voted 27th most influential people on university students which included real life people too.
Spider-Man came 28th.
Captain America only became as popular as he is today because of the MCU but even then I wouldn't say he's smaller than the Thing.
On a side note I'm actually glad to see someone giving support to such an underrated character. I think there was a comic where the Champion held a tournament with all the strongest heroes in Marvel. And surprisingly I think the Thing won despite competing against people like Hulk, Thor and Hercules because Ben had heart.
I can't remember which comic it was from though
Watchmen characters are crazy overrated everywhere, but especially on this site (power wise). I love watchmen so much, I even have the profile picture, but the characters are not very powerful. Rorschach is just a normal human, 100 of him couldn't beat someone like daredevil. Doctor Manhattan can't hold a candle to someone like Galactus, he's not even close to that level.
Since we're talking about Watchmen, some other things:
Nothing besides the original comic is cannon. Alan Moore only wanted that to be cannon, and so only that it.
Rorschach is not meant to be idolized. He's not a hero, or even a good person. You could argue about who's right all you want, but most importantly Rorschach is not a good person and not meant to be idolized. If you think Rorschach is a "cool" character, you need to wait a bit to grow up, and then reread the book.
This last thing is just my opinion, but Ozymandias was right.
Hate for doomsday is understandable. Doomsday fans wank him too much says he can defeat anyone after adapting.
About superman most fanboys say a simple sun dip allows him to defeat any opponent.
I haven't really kept up with Marvel, but a few of my friends insisted I read it. Knull was all over the place in power level and his defeat felt really forced (idk how else to explain it). Plus the companion stuff was atrocious. I usually like reading the side stories.
People who write stories for their OCs to make actual feats are infinite times better than people who make omnipotent OCs and make statements about them instead of feats
Nope! Tobey Macguire was flat. He hardly had any range and didn't emote good at all. On top of that, I really didn't like how he actually had glands in his arms instead of actual web shooters. Tom Holland is great, but he looks like he's 13, not a high schooler. Also his American slips sometimes. Andrew Garfield emotes the best and was the only actor who showed how smart Peter Parker is.
To be honest I can't remember Garfield that well as Spider-Man.
At least the Toby Parker was smart, opposed to Holland. Parker is supposed to be a genius. Where's that in Holland's portrayal. He's great in his teen-role Parker, but we're three movies in,.. get smart already!
Yeah, he did only get two movies. What I appreciated is that Garfield captured all of the aspects of Peter Parker, from his awkwardness to his smarts to his conflicted feelings about being a superhero. He also in my opinion showed off how smart Peter is the best. But yeah, I agree. I don't like Tom Holland's Spider-Man that much because he feels like a middle schooler and a "yes man" for Tony Stark.
Dont understand why The Amazing Spider-Man movie (Andrew Garfield) is so much hated on. Like, its a solid origin story for Spidey and I enjoyed watching it.
Yeah the Writing of his Character is Really Bad, He Doesn't act like a Smart Guy, I Mean in the Comics, The Reason is Spider-Man is useful is because Reed Richards one of the top 3 Smartest Characters in The Marvel Universe stated That Spider-Man Could be in the top 10 which also goes with my next reason that is Spider-Man in the MCU is kinda Useless, etc, this is my Opinion
Why did you hate it? I liked the story and the variety of charachters and voice acting. There is also way more to do then in the other Lego Batman games. Imo the worst Lego game was Lego Marvel avengers
1 Robin was also annoying in the other Lego Batman games. 2 fair point I admit it did not feel as much as a Batman game as the other ones. 3 Brainiac needs the power of the lantern rings for his shrinkray.
A u popular opinion for me well, maybe that I enjoy watching the rise of Skywalker and the fact that Rey is one of my favorite characters of the whole franchise
Well it’s an unpopular opinion so you should expect downvotes, now on topic I’d say Rey is a character with wasted potential she could have been great but the writing/directing brought her down IMO
This is a VERY unpopular opinion, but Wolverine, Black Panther, and Deadpool are all badly written characters. I would even go so far as to say they're lazily written and here's why. A large part of superhero stuff is the stakes of the fights. Will they pull through? Almost every fictional character, even characters who are literal gods or can destroy planets, have their weakness or achilles heel that someone else can use to beat them. For example: Superman (Kryptonite), Venom (Fire and Sound), Spider-Man (Ethyl-Chloride), Thor (Overconfidence), Darkseid (Radion), Aquaman (Being away from water for too long) etc.
The idea of adamantium/vibranium and unstoppable healing factors is lazy, because they take away the idea of fights actually having stakes. Wonder Woman and Thor are literally gods, but their fights are much more entertaining and actually have stakes. But in fights with wolverine bp and deadpool? Nope! Here's an example: Put Deadpool against someone like Deathstroke who's the better fighter, has superior armor, is smarter, quicker to react, AND has superior feats. Deathstroke, despite all of these advantages, would still lose just because of Deadpool's healing factor. Blow his head off? He's fine. Run him over with a car? He's fine. Burn him alive until only his skeleton is left? He's fine. It takes all of the stakes out of fights since the writers can always fall back on the "you can't get past his healing factor" excuse. Same with Wolverine. Put him against someone about equal physically like Bane. Despite Bane being stronger and smarter, he can't even give Logan a fight at all. Why? Because of his healing factor and adamantium skeleton which you can't break. Bane could punch and pound and kick the crap out of Logan until he was a bloody pulp, and it wouldn't even matter. Also, take Black Panther. Put him against someone similar skill-wise like Batman or Captain America. The fight wouldn't have any stakes at all. Despite Bat and Cap being his equal skill-wise and tactically, his armor makes all of their skill irrelevant since they can't even touch him. Any character that has either an unbreakable suit/skeleton and a healing factor that literally can't be overpowered is not a good character.
So your basically saying they suck because of vs debates lol BP isn’t really op at all, I get that ohh well they have a healing factor so they win but saying a character is badly written because of vs debates is just ridiculous IMO (no disrespect)
It’s mainly because it takes the stakes out of their fights since you know they can’t be beaten because of their armor or healing factor. The vs debates is more of a side complaint.
I don’t know about Marvel’s material as much, but I don’t know if I agree with DC. Stuff from vertigo and other properties like the suicide squad are geared toward adults.
Yeah beacuse Joker beat literal kid to death with a crowbar, Sentry ripped Ares in half and that's not even half of the tip of the iceberg, but you know for kids
I'm Not Really a Fan of Captain Cold in The Comics mainly because of his Moral Code like that Falls more into Batman or Green Arrow or Booster Gold Territory, not really Villain Territory which is what Cold is usually depicted as
I Don’t like how Thanos was portrayed in the MCU, he was just a Cosmic Version of Ra’s Al Ghul and while that portrayal could Work with Characters like General Zod, it doesn’t work with Thanos in my Opinion
I think that’s why I like Zod in the DCEU Because in the comics Zod is similar to Ra’s and Captain Nazi or characters like that, and Thanos he just isn’t like that, Thanos wants Death to be his Lover and that works better for Thanos
A villain doesn’t have to have a super emotional or compelling motive to be a good bad guy. Some of the best fictional villains do what they do simply because they believe it’s their destiny.
Yeah that's the fact but dc fans can't believe it and Presence is killed by Gabriel and the external forces are believes of humans even Elaine could hide things from the presence even Lucifer could escape from the plan of the presence
@Savage I mean hey are you feeling sad? I can help you if you want. Just message me if you need me. I don't know if you replied to this because you feel sad too but I'm just letting you know you can always talk with me.
Yeah, I simply feel that often sadness can be prevented, but we choose to let it infect use because it's all we know, and in that way it's like a drug.
Personally I'm a very happy person :)
Sadness can be subjective. The way I tend to get over having a bad day is just telling myself "is that thing that's saddening you really that extreme". When someone else tells you "it could be worse" its almost condescending and insensitive but when you say it to yourself, 9/10 whatever's bothering you isn't actually that bad or worth getting upset about.
My personal cure is isolation. Time heals all wounds.
I Still have Not Finish Snyder Cut, so I Cant mention it, I'm still on Part 2, Snyder Cut is very good, Although for Now (My Opinion Will change) BVS is very good
It's an Infinite Multiverse with Several Higher Dimensional Spaces and even Infinite-Dimensional or Infinitely-Layered creations that stack upon one another and view the one below it as fictional. The one boundless being is the writer of all the stories and views everything as fictional stories that fit into a book he holds in his hand.
yeah I Don't get the Hate Season 4 gets, ok laurel's Death and Olicity, I Can get why people would hate but apart from that I Don't know why people consistently hate Season 4
@Tyrannus In theory, but there already has been a cosmic cube more powerful than the beyonder (kosmos) and at max potential scales very close to the beyonder (The Shaper of Worlds)
He was 'created' to beat Thor, but lacked the intelligence. So, ignoring intelligence, he might be able to beat Thor. (SirSpidey hasn't been online in ages, so I'm not afraid to say this).
@Galactus Oh and he absorbed the cosmic cube one time, how could I forget about about that. If he was smarter his upper limits probably reach Galactus level.
Its difficult to say. Hulk and Sentry contained too much power for him to handle. But on paper he should just be able to absorb it all no problem. Guess it depends on whether the writers believe he can handle it or not
@Galactus Haha, my bad, I was confused when I re-read my own comment as well. I've been partially napping for about an hour, so I guess my brain needs more time to kick in
I think that have canon versions is good, but in some battles, I want to use the movie version of a star wars character. For exemple on this battle, I wanted to use Yoda's movie version, but there is only the canon one.
Depends on how you classify overrated. Empty's right but saying he's fodder and would lose to characters like Cosmic Armor Superman or Hajun is :yikes:
Thea felt more like the Main Character with her drug storyline, Thea is very annoying, Moira was boring, Tommy was boring, Felicity DID NOT Fit the Tone, Oliver killing People, the only good part were The Flashbacks
Basing an argument solely around cosmologies of the characters in debates is a poor argument. A character who is universal consistently will beat a character who is not universal in power consistently, regardless of how big the two cosmologies are.
I totally agree. People don't like a certain franchise and so to argue against that franchise they say it's a fodder franchise or that an universal being in the franchise they like wins against a hyperversal being in the franchise they don't like. This is becoming extremely annoying.
Most of the Marvel and DC characters are overrated by some users of this site and so the characters that should be tier 5-6 are tier 8 such as Scarlet Witch.
I would say he solos most of the characters, but he is not on the level of Tilotny, The Chosen One, Abeloth and The Father Of Mortis. But yes really he is extremely powerful and he solos most of the verse
-I love the Last Jedi. It's in my five favorite movies and is one of only two blockbusters on that list. I think that the movie has a moral complexity and twist on an old character as well as an unorthodox plot structure that makes it the second best Star Wars movie.
-Ooh! Another unpopular opinion! RoTS is overrated. Its a fine movie but people act like its a religious text.
-Oh! Another one! The Mandolorian is trash. Its a generic TV show that happens to be Star Wars. It's predictable and the characters are just okay.
Seriously, I Pretty much was bored in Season 1 that I Skipped to Season 2 and while it had it's good moments it became Boring Again and so I Just Stopped Watching and Continued Watching Season 4 of Arrow
Obi-Wan at the Battle of Mustafar was much more powerful and skilled than Anakin Skywalker. People use to think that Anakin only lost because he was trapped by the Dark Side, meaning he was not fighting strategically, but what I really think is that Obi-Wan was holding back his true potential because he didn't want to kill his apprentice / ''brother''
Men should be more open about their feelings and emotions and vulnerable. We've been from birth, conditioned to believe the ability to properly deal with our pain is considered weak and it creates a cycle in households of abuse, addiction, promiscuity and violence. We are all a product of the environment we grew up in. We need to do better as men to stop this cycle. Teach men to love other men and be there for other men. Rather always at odds with each other and at each other's throats.
Although men should be taught from a young age that dealing with their emotions in a healthy should be supported, I disagree that men are all at each other's throats at all times. I have an easy bonding with other guys and making jokes with them and don't really feel at odds with them.
And I don't think that we are conditioned to believe this from birth. This isn't a conspiracy. I just think that's how men naturally are. My parents always told I could talk to them about anything and made it clear they wouldn't ever judge me I just didn't want to talk to them.
In canon its Vader. In Jedi Fallen Order's bio for Vader was
"Few survive an encounter with the most powerful Sith in the Galaxy.
Escape is the only chance of survival".
Ok, but Sidious drained the lives of billions of people on an entire planet, destroyed army with a burst of force lightning and in the canon he never showed much of his powers because most of the time he just sent Vader to do the "missions"
I've read all 4 manga and I'm up to date with all of them.
Aside from Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine and Jogo's Fire Meteor, JJK has not yet shown destructive feats en par with the higher tiers from HST.
JJK can only compete with them because of Gojo's completely broken Limitless ability, which is well-suited for NLF arguments.
as for writing quality, it depends on what you like
it's more on the "gory" and "gritty" side in comparison to most other shonen / action manga I've read (and I've read ~ 40+).
Its art is among the best I've seen.
Its story , for now, seems pretty complicated and it's unpredictable what will happen.
All in all, I find JJK (the manga) is clearly one of the very best I've read, with a lot of potential.
Maybe it will stay with us for many years to come.
@Savage: How so? @Mr_Incognito: Those are arguments of my own. I am the one who argues them. I came up with them. Now, if I recall correctly, my influence spans but only a tiny, tiny portion of the entire internet, that being a little website called Superhero Database. That means if my arguments are considered popular, that only applies to the general public of the Superhero Database website. But, as a comic book community as a whole, that is, again, a very small portion of the community. So, maybe they are popular on this website, but when considering it's popularity as a whole, they are not very popular at all. Unless you are saying my influence has reached the majority of the comic book community, in which case, yeah, they are popular by definition, but I'm pretty sure that is not the case. Unless, of course, I've missed something for the past 7 months. But I highly doubt it. Anyways, in what way are they wrong? @Taurus: What other part?
@SirSpidy Well, for one, Superman being "fodder". He is not literally "canon fodder" and you don't specify so this is just an insult. He is however heavily overrated.
Really just depends on what you define fodder as. Superman's best attack can only leave a little tiny, minuscule dent on the face of the Earth. Seems pretty fodder to me.
Nowhere in the comics does it state that Galactic Golem is the embodiment of the entire Universe. If that were the case, when Superman beat him, the Universe would have been destroyed, but no, the Universe was obviously still intact. You should hear your arguments before you argue them. You are just saying stuff and throwing out all the logic that goes with an argument. In which comic did Superman destroy a Multiverse?
@SirSpidey He is made up of stars. He is his own universe, and embodies it. Superman destroyed the world forger’s creation, his multiverse, with a punch.
@Mr_Incognito: Again, nowhere in the comics does it state that Galactic Golem is his own Universe. That wouldn't even make any sense anyways. A Universe is infinite. A finite body like that of Galactic Golem cannot confine the likes of a Universe. Again, that makes literally no sense. As for Superman destroying a Multiverse, in which comic?
@Mr_Incognito Your talking about when he KO'd the World Forger aren't you? He had to be sundipped several times, fly halfway across the universe and get backed by the power of hope (or plot armour) to do that. Earlier on when he faced him normally World Forger casually slammed him into the ground.
@Mr_Incognito: @Dhruv just proved otherwise. And Superman didn't even destroy the World Forger's Multiverse. It was obviously still intact, as they were still standing on solid ground. The feat doesn't matter anyways, because Superman had to fly through multiple suns in order to do it. It wasn't base Superman, so you can't use that comic as evidence on behalf of regular Superman.
Literally all he did was fly through it... @Sirspidey It doesn’t matter. It was still base Superman. Base Superman can use his power source. They were standing on a different planet too. If that doesn’t count because of him flying through the sun, then Thor making Galactus flee shouldn’t count because he was drawing extra power from Odin.
Yeah, and, literally, all he did was get amped by all those suns. It does matter. It does matter that Superman became amped. Because that is not regular Superman. Regular Superman does not always go into the center of the Sun and soak up as much energy as he can. I'm sure everyone here, but you, would agree with that statement. Nowhere in 'Thor Volume 1 #161' does it state that Thor drew upon the energies of Odin. However, on the contrary, Thor, in fact, says, "Let the godly strength of Thor be one with the hammer supreme." So let's not continue on with that false narrative.
That's still sun dipping. And no that wasn't base Superman because this is what happened to base Superman when he faced him.
He stopped his punches with literally 1 finger and then sent him to the ground. This is why context is important.
Superman needs yellow suns to get amped. Thor can summon the god blast whenever he needs.
@Wic23 That's actually an unpopular opinion. The prequels were loved by the majority of fans and there was actually a huge outrage when Disney ignored them. For some reason those who don't like it act like no one else did either which is wrong
well First off, CW does Flash and Arrow and it wasn't announced that Flashpoint would be crossover even though it technically was, but Flashpoint doesn't actually last 1 episode, it actually lasts 2 episodes, those episodes beign the First Episodes of The Flash Season 3 and Arrow Season 5
@Tyrannus Yeah you love Cyclops right? That's what I hate about the X-Men movies is they were clearly created by wolverine fans, and in the movies they just make scott super annoying, whereas in the comics he's a legendary character. I'm a wolverine fan more than a cyclops fan, but their rivalry is only fun if people actually like both characters, and the movies don't do that.
@Tyrannus I hope the MCU does good work with them, it would be great if they had as much mainstream fame as the avengers. The X-Men too. I can't say I'm crazy about the guardians of the galaxy being considered the second best marvel team by most. Or the avengers at first for that matter, but it's up to the MCU to choose what's mainstream and what isn't.
To be fair, the F4 were Marvel’s answer to the Justice League. When the head of marvel saw how successful the “superhero team” idea was for DC, he told Stan Lee to make one of his own.
@Mr_Incognito And the FF did way better. They FF comics of the comic resurrection in the 60's (the height of comics) were way better than the JL comics at the time. They also had way better sales. The JL was a minor precursor to the return of comics, the FF was the start of it. The Fantastic Four in the 60's were the absolute height of comics, and operated as a family, they're beyond "teams". They made comic characters more personal and realistic than any superhero comic before them by miles. The FF revolutionized comics. DC may have come before Marvel in many things in the 40's, but most of their characters weren't developed well until after the FF, a new movement forcing them to redesign most of their characters. Take the Joker for instance. He's a great villain, and is often given credit for being the ultimate comic villain template, but in reality that was Doctor Doom. Doom influenced every villain after him, and villains like the Joker then became more developed after him. You can't find me a pre-Doom comic in which Joker is a top form villain. That's just one example, Marvel changed comics forever in the 60's, and the start of that movement was Stan Lee with the Fantastic Four.
I think that you have to take into account that the "better" point is incredibly subjective. You can say that the FF did it better, but they were influenced by the JL and wouldn't exist without them which was my point. It wasn't to discredit them. The whole minor precursor point is also a little iffy, because as a whole the JL are widely considered the OG superhero team by most people. They laid the groundwork for other teams that came after for both companies. If you want to argue sales, Superman and Batman alone have sold 960 million copies combined, which is Captain America, The Avengers, Spider-Man, and X-Men put together. That's not even including the other members. Now I love Doctor Doom and he's one of my favorite villains, but I don't think it's fair to say he inspired the Joker. Sure, DC probably saw Doom as inspiration and developed their villains further, but when people think comic book villain they think Joker. Doom is certainly a Top 5 villain though.
Better is incredibly subjective. The influence of the JL is highly overrated in my opinion. Basically, it inspired Stan to create a team. That's it. The actual writing style, art, characters, plot lines, and everything else was the FF influencing the JLA. In a much more subjective way, the FF were also way better at all of those things. In the entire history of comics, it's very easy to place the JL above the FF, but in the 60's, the FF had almost laughably better comics. I don't think anyone considers the JL the OG superhero team, that was the JSA. So, the JL doesn't even get that when it comes to importance or influence. The FF comics were the single biggest turning point in comics, because they were that ahead of their time. The dialog between characters was unlike anything previously seen, and Stan purposely went out of his way to break all sorts of comic barriers, so much so that we take it for granted. For one they're a family, and comic characters rarely ever had family members. They didn't initially have costumes. Their leader was the smartest rather than the strongest. They got upset with each other in realistic ways. They had real world issues. They were relatable characters. Their villains all were complicated and weren't even always considered villains as much as heroes with opposing views (like Namor). They weren't always loved by the public. They didn't always want to be in the position they were in. (Those last two are specific to the Thing, they're often firsts wrongly credited to Spider-Man.) They were explorers rather than crime fighters. They put science first. They put family first, and often had personal things to deal with over crime fighting (like having a child). They had villains people could feel bad for. Literally the list of ways the FF changed comics is endless. Most comics don't even have one single feat of influence like that to their name, including the JL. I absolutely believe Stan's FF run to be the greatest and most influential comic of all time. Moving away from how insanely great they are, I'll address the sales thing. 1. None of those sales numbers disprove what I was saying, since I was talking about how important they were in the 60's specifically, since that was the prime of comics. As both teams were starting out, the FF were far more successful. 2. Superman and Batman obviously have impressive sale numbers, but that's also the combined price over all time, and those are two characters with two decades of comic sales before most of those characters, obviously they'll have higher numbers. Take a look at what the highest sales were of even given year with all of those characters, and the sale figures are all a lot closer. 3. I was also talking about the JL as a team, not as individual characters. The JL has always worked better individually anyways. That's the biggest reason the X-Men and the FF will always be above the Avengers and the JL. The X-Men and the FF are perfect functioning units made to be a team and a family, the Avengers and the JL were mixes of all the most popular characters ultimately made to increase sales originally by putting them all on one cover. Well, the Avengers weren't all that popular beforehand. That's why I easily prefer the FF and the X-Men. It's not Marvel bias. I think the JL are superior to the Avengers, their true Marvel counterparts, the FF are just on another level. As for villains, whether Joker or Doom is a better villain is irrelevant. The point is, Doom was a great villain first. The Joker wasn't a great villain, or even a good villain, or even batman's main villain, untill after Doom. He was just a corny silver age side villain meant to be killed off in the first issue. Like with most everything, despite coming first, the Joker was far more influenced by Doctor Doom than vice versa. Joker may have came first, but Doom was the first great comic book villain, and the ultimate template that every other one after him (including the Joker) was based on. This isn't exclusive to DC. It took Magneto a long time to be a villain with any complexity too, and many people forget about that. He was pretty boring in the first 100 or so issues of the X-Men. In conclusion however, you don't even need to read any of what I just wrote to see the unrivaled influence of the FF, or even read the comic itself. Just read comics before the year 1961, then comics after the year 1961, and my point will explain itself. My overall ranking of greatest superhero teams are
5. The Teen Titans
4. The Avengers
3. The Justice League
2. The X-Men
1. The Fantastic Four
Well I think a lot of your points are due to personal preference, and that's ok. I think you've got your data a little backwards. The JLA and FF have always had very different styles of telling their stories, so I don't think that the FF influenced DC nearly as much as you say. The one thing we can be sure of is who came first and paved the way, which was the JLA. I have to disagree about the F4 and X-Men being better. The X-Men are a direct copy of the doom patrol from DC. Not to beat a dead horse here but that domain was already covered. I personally think that what makes the Justice League the best is the exact reason you think they aren't as good. The JLA is made up of beings from all kinds of worlds and backgrounds, from a rich orphan to a martian to a goddess to an alien. They all come from very different walks of life, and they still come together and work together to save the world. They had hard and tragic pasts, and they all come together because they have to to keep the world a safe place. They don't assemble, they unite. They also have a much deeper and more interesting villain pool. Again, most of this is just my opinion, but DC setting the template that Marvel follows has happened time and time again.
Which of those points do you disagree with, if any? Name one way that the JLA influenced comics, let alone as many as I just pointed out for the FF. Again, what about the JL coming first gives them more influence? They weren't the first superhero team. Name anything the JL did before the FF.
1. The 60's are considered a huge renaissance for superhero comics
2. This is because dialog improved, characters developed better, and comics suddenly became realistic depictions of humanity
3. The #1 pioneer of all those things and all the other things I've been talking about was the FF
Which of those points do you disagree with? The FF were #1 when comics were #1. You're right about the X-Men pretty much copying Doom Patrol. I see it in a similar light as Swamp Thing being a complete copy of Man-Thing though. Swamp-Thing might technically be kind of a rip-off, but he's also one of the greatest comic characters of all time, easily better than Man-Thing. The X-Men are still legendary. I don't think anything about the doom patrol takes away from that. You make a great point about the Justice League, and I think they're an amazing team for that reason, but they're still better as individual characters. At many times they seem akwardly forced together, operating more as clunky coworkers than anything else. Teams like the FF and the X-Men are characters literally designed to work well together, and that just makes for a better dynamic. The FF is a family, the JL is overall much less close. What's your point with the "they don't assemble, they unite" phrase? As for villains, it really depends how you measure it. They certainly have more well developed and iconic villains, but like with the Doom/Joker thing, the FF was essential to making some of the greatest villains of all time. Even characters like the Mole Man who are often laughed at were breakthrough characters. The Mole Man was a villain you felt bad for, characters like him changed how everyone saw villains. The FF comic changed villains immensely, making comic villains everywhere into characters as complicated as the heroes with the FF's influence. This was at a time where every JL villain was a dollar store criminal with one gig. Even characters who later became legends, like the Joker. These villains would later become amazing characters, only because of the FF's incredible influence. I could go back right now and reread the first JL comics from the early 60's at the same time as the FF ones, and the comparison in dialog and character development would be practically embarrassing. The FF was wayyy ahead of it's time. It's easily the more influential team. The only argument for the JL being better would have to be from decades later, when the JL and their villains were far better (due to FF influence). You say it's DC paving the way for Marvel, but the only argument you've made to that point is that DC is older. That doesn't mean they actually did things first. It seems to me like it's the other way around, especially in the 60's. Marvel was way ahead of DC, paving the way for them. I've given countless examples why, and I can relist them if you disagree with some of them. Your turn to name ways the JL paved the way.
I’ll start off by saying I agree with your point that the F4 feel like a better team than the JLA, with less members and more cohesion. I think for me that’s the exact reason I like the JLA though. Yes, the League isn’t the first superhero team, but they’re the household name. The JSA didn’t perform amazingly, so DC took those characters and combined them with some of their bigger household names to create the Justice League. It’s interesting you bring up the 1960’s point, considering that Marvel didn’t even break the Top 10 in comics sales until 1967, at which point they did start to sell more. But acting like they completely dominated the 60’s is actually not really true. They picked up steam towards the end. But 7 of those years belonged to DC. https://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/comic_sales.html
I can definitely say that yes, the JL had influenced the avengers more than the F4, but the point I’m making is that without Martin Goodman realizing the profitability of superhero teams by seeing how well the public reacted to the Justice League, the F4 wouldn’t have been created by Stan Lee. Now we can argue until the end of time about who influenced characters and stories and blah blah blah but what I know for certain is who inspired who to be created. I also can say that I’m not really in agreement about them being better individually. The dynamic between Superman and Batman and also Barry and Hal are very complex and interesting to see. Even the relationship between WW and Aquaman. I mean hell, the heart and soul of the team is a Martian whose the last of his kind. The diversity of the team allows for so much depth in their relationships. I think seeing all of the JL coming together is a sight to behold. They may not be as emotionally layered as the F4 in your opinion, but I think that their larger than life and almost mythical quality to them is what makes them so great, along with their struggles and diversity of course. The biggest difference between DC and Marvel characters on the whole is that DC’s heroes generally are more mythological and larger than life. They’re inspirational figures. Marvel has always taken the more human and down to earth approach, which resonates with some people in a different way and I respect and understand that. For inspiration, think of it like this. A lot of teams have followed this formula the JL established. You have the leader and brains of the operation (Batman, Mr Fantastic, Iron Man) the figurehead and muscle (Superman, Cap, The thing) the hothead of the group who likes to joke around (Flash, Thor, Johnny Blaze) a more quiet but emotionally deep and powerful member (Martian Manhunter, Invisible woman). Stuff like that. For me I just think the JL are the best team because their characters have so much depth and overcome so much tragedy and are from so many different walks of life. I actually really like the F4, probably more than the X-Men or Avengers. I just personally find the team of such diverse beings in the league to be a better team than a group of humans.
I couldn't agree more. If anything the movies have done some damage to the comic community. For example when people talk about Thanos, most people assume he's some honourable guy who had good intentions. They don't know his nick name as the Mad Titan.
SJW stuff is really minimal,the story isn't trying to tell something about gender identities,the gameplay,story,charecters were vastly superior compared to other titles,those haters are either tasteless or homophobes.
Nothing felt forced or out of place like the leakers were saying. The story was very solid and almost as good as the first. I still don't know what the problem people had. Just goes to show you really can't trust the reviewers or people who like to act like to speak for everyone.
Well more people know about Batman and also Spider man is underrated on the website, and on top of that when people vote who is the most popular superhero on voting forms Batman is always number 1
Spider-Man and Batman are the introductory characters for a lot of people. Its probable 9/10 people here first got into superheroes because of Batman and/or Spider-Man.
I had the weirdest introduction into comics ever, I'm 14, and when I was 4, I garbed a random comic from the library, the only one they had, and for a reason still unknown to me it was a collection of Stan Lee's FF run from the 60's, which is a great introduction to marvel, and it's crazy I randomly found this in 2010, before I even knew what marvel was.
@Savage huh yeah I can agree that is a strange introduction. @Mr Incognito yeah I really like both characters but at the end of the day Spider-Man is my favorite
As enjoyable as the MCU has been, I actually believe they have been a little bit detrimental to the comic versions. Most people will refer to the movie version over the comics now e.g. Thor being a bit of a clown, Black Panther having to rely on his sister for smart things, Strombreaker etc.
There was a time when Daredevil was just as famous as the Avengers. I kind of miss those days.
yep, it is really hated by Some People and even in my more updated videos it gets Disliked, now Yes I Know Disliking is a Natural Thing but the Problem is that I posted a Fan Trailer for a Project, and while it's not the best, It's still really good and yet it got Disliked
Yes! My favorite part is that scene where Reed Richards and Iron Man aren't really them, and Wolverine comes in and no one believes him until daredevil senses it too
It’s a great part I think it’s funny how impulsive hulk was he literally punched colossus for stepping on his foot lol it was a great story, it looks like we are agreeing on many things today
I'm hoping the MCU will bring Adam Warlock back into the spotlight since they already talked about "him". Sadly, the MCU dictates which characters are well known now. People seem to forget all of Jim Starlin's Infinity Trilogy was centered around Adam Warlock, not Thanos.
If you want no one to judge your opinions, do not write them. I'm telling this to everyone, when you put the Opinions you have in mind on paper, it means that you are ready for others to comment on your Opinions.
@Oblivion I'm not getting what you saying but i did told you that you can keep it your opinion with you, cause I'm already done with you. I have already saw your knowledge.
@UNKNOWN_ Your argument revolves around the concept of the term infinite, and you argue your point like Aristotle, basically saying infinity is impossible. It's an argument that had a lot of merit for awhile, because infinity is a hard concept to grasp. Modern math has shown up to prove you wrong though. A lot of Aristotle's work is no longer considered worth listening to because of this very issue actually, since current mathematicians disagree with you. Infinity is absolutely a real thing, your right that it's a concept not a number, but theoretically there can be infinite universes as part of an overall multiverse in the same way there can be infinite amount of time or space in our universe. For instance, though the universe isn't infinite (talking about the real world now), it's surrounded by infinite nothingness, and though at some point the universe started, and at some point it can end, after and before that there is an infinite length of nothing at all, like how on a number line there will always be arrows at the end indicating that it will go on forever infinitely. I don't even need to prove you wrong though, because modern math establishes that infinity doesn't work like you describe it, making your argument about counting multiverses irrelevant. Also, chill dude, your acting like a know it all with an opinion about infinity that hasn't been used in hundreds of years. Stop being rude to people.
@Savage I'm not being rude to anyone it depends on how gonna take it.
I know the concept of David Hilbert's 'The Grand Hotel'
That was 'thought excrement'
Infinity start with the things that we don't know, infinite is not concept of countless/uncountable it is concept of endless/unlimited
I know some mathematics shows the concept of Infinity by their thoughts experiment
But I'm going with physics where infinity doesn't exist, if there's infinite in your calculations that means your calculations is wrong or you made mistakes so every physicist afraid of 'infinite'
And real world's universe is omniverse i mean everything exist inside universe, everything is universe even void, and if you talking about real world's universe then there's a so many different opinion, different theories, believe, concepts
And not all people follow same.
What i believe is universe made by big bang (actually it was not a bang) before universe, there was nothing not even the void, there's whole different topic for nothingness...in 1915 a certain physicist made a connection between something and what appears to be nothing. In that year Albert Einstein published his general theory of relativity. According to this theory, the vacuum has a structure. Clocks placed in various locations in the vacuum run at different speeds, depending on their nearness to matter, and a rod suspended in space will appear to be of different lengths depending on where it and its observer are. According to Einstein, this structure, called space-time, is responsible for the phenomenon of gravity.
Gravity, then, is not a force pulling through nothingness, but an effect of the structure of that apparent nothingness. The vacuum, the apparent nothingness, by virtue of its structure is a field of energy. (By means of its structure, it bends the paths of light and other things that pass through it and therefore does work.) Einstein had already shown in the special theory of relativity that E=mc2, so the field of energy had to be a field of matter.
While general relativity was demonstrating that what might seem to be nothing is not nothing, a new branch of physics, quantum physics, which Einstein had helped found, was introducing other interesting ideas that turned out to bear on the relationship between nothing and something. Quantum physics studies quanta, the smallest particles that make up matter. In its early days, this form of physics made a truly disturbing discovery, which has since been confirmed time and time again. Particles are particles, but then they are not; they are waves. A particle is a particle only if you want it to be, if you insist on pinning it down. Otherwise, it is a wave. The whole point is the universe came from nothingness and it is still expanding, so it is not infinite.
Infinite ain't impossible, it is paradox just like logical omnipotent
And as i said before its not about what they said in their comic pages it's about what they revealed, if someone haven't shows you anything but they keep saying they have it then still you gonna believe it ? Not me.
And nobody can revealed infinite universes, and yes it is impossible, so many mathematics prove infinite only in theory thought experiment...but so many scientists also disagree and so many scientists agreed...
And multiverse in fiction is concept of parallel universe that means different timeliness based on different choices or circumstances...and possibilities
So it can be infinite because there's infinite possibilities, actually its not infinite it is just countless so see I'm not going against any theory of mathematics, neither i said concept of infinite is impossible.
If you know how human brains work then, you know you like to believe that our brain is so smarter than we think but it's not true.
Again, concepts of infinite shows that how small is our brain, how small our imagination/ thoughts
Even if you are the smartest guy in the universe and if you know everything about universe then concept of infinite shows that how much you don't know than you know, it also shows your knowledge is nothing.
Concept of infinite is beyond our imagination most people can't even understand it.
Back to the topic if they haven't shown that means they don't have it.
Sometimes writers uses words "infinite" just because it's sounds cool
Comic writers are not scientists, they writes whatever in their minds, they don't even uses clear logic because they can't and if comic is full of logic then it's not fun, it's gonna look like real world. But that doesn't mean they don't uses logic they uses basic logic like you can't be intangibles without superpowers or something like that.
Parallel universes can be uncountable but not infinite, fictional universe/ multiverse concept is little bit different, it's like there's multiverse inside universe... don't get it ? Marvel is a fictional universe... at least it is called as universe yes marvel universe DC universe, dark horse universe, dragon ball universe etc but DC universe have multiverses inside their universe and universe inside multiverse, maybe it's sounds confusing but it is logical, again don't forget multiverse in fiction is concept of parallel universe that mean your other versions exist in others universes, i don't think i need to explain parallel universe,
And there's main universe like earth prime, earth 616 etc rest are alternate universe/part of parallel universe and combination of all universes are multiverse, entire multiverse is a universe(like marvel,dc, image)
And i think beyonder's multiverse means what i explained. That means marvel is one multiverse...
marvel, DC, dark horse, image= 4 multiverse and so on so on
Combination of multiverse become omniverse (all fiction)
There can be millions, billions multiverse but not now.
No he wasn't that's not the point of the character. The point is that he is an ultra extreme viewpoint personified and his isn't supposed to be right. Murdering millions to save the lives of another group no matter how large is wrong and no matter what, is not ever going to be the right answer. And thanos was an idiot in endgame. He had the ability to do anything and decided "I'll wipe out half the universe even though the population will return to normal in like a century at most." Why didn't he just create infinite resources or make it so the each planet is a utopia. A utopia isn't the hardest thing to maintain it's just too hard to establish and he's basically a god and I assume that with the gauntlet he becomes immortal so he could just rule the universe and help out when needed. He was stupid, just like ozymandias, for thinking a short answer solves a bigger problem.
Thanos was definitely stupid. Ozymandias was not. If he hadn't of acted WWIII would have happened right then and there. He saved the whole planet, and he was willing to make the hard sacrifice to do it. He's the only true hero in Watchmen. It's simply logic. Have you ever heard of the trolley problem? If not you should google it. It asks the question, would you kill one person to save the lives of two others? Would you?
I have heard of it but he still could have established a threat without the deaths of millions. If a plan is that complicated then there has got to be a simpler answer.
Batman is overrated and him having a no kill rule doesn't make sense. DC always tries to tell you he's not a good person inside, but there's no evidence of that. He has more Kantian morals than goddamn superman. It would be better if batman did kill, making him the dark superhero that DC pretends he is. Also, plenty of people have their parents die when they're young. This doesn't make them dress up as a bat and beat up strangers. His motives get consistently dated and it get's harder and harder not to read a batman comic and think "If these guys beating up clowns because he can't get over his parents dying when he was a kid he needs some serious mental help"
I hate the no-kill rule. it ruins the whole vigilante thing. Even Joker kinda wants Batman to just get over with it all ready. Btw, did you read the Punisher crossover?
If batman kills he becomes the same person who killed his parents, a person willing to do anything for his own point of view. In the context of who batman is makes sense but in any logical way it doesn't make sense. And just because you're a hero doesn't mean you can't kill. When letting one person live causes the suffering of others then sometimes you must take extreme measures. I mean police carry guns but they are most certainly heroes.
But the problem with staring to kill as an answer is that the line keeps getting shorter and shorter. Yeah you kill the joker but when people cross that line they tend to be okay with more and more things. The more you push your limits of power when it comes to justice the farther you are willing to go. And that is what batman is afraid of.
It may be a difficult life style to be a hero who kills, by philosophically speaking I'm a consequentialest, and I believe there are no rules that should be followed no matter what, everything happens by situation.
I understand stand that but how you view situations is based on past experience and if in the past you have been willing to kill then in the future you become more willing to cross that line. But in the case of batman he's never going to do that because it runs the character it's just that in real life I wouldn't want someone out there passing that kind of justice.
The no kill rule is what makes Batman Batman. His point being is that it becomes all that more justifiable to take another life Joker would make no sense and have no motivation if Batman kills. Joker wants to prove batman is as insane as him because if someone like Batman someone with the most self control can kill that means everyone is deep inside like the Joker Batman works with the law not against he has no authority to kill he also believes everyone can redeem themselves second of all Batman is a nice guy and i dont know wich comics you have read but Batman got over his parents dead the only reason he is doing this is because he wants justicre
@Atemporal is right,vsbw thinks every fiction operates under the same concept of dimensions,which is nonsense,in some verses dimensions transcend each other while in others dimesnions aren't higher layers of existance,some has type 3 multiverse and operates on quantum theories while some use string theory,in some verses transcending the dimensions doesn't even means you are above them,not to mention their fanmade outerverse term which doesn't apply to most of multiversal fictions,long story short vsbw is awful.
Doctor Alchemy is more underrated than Martian Manhunter, why well because if you look some youtube videos on the two,
1. Martian Manhunter is more videos, more content
2. more People Know Martian Manhunter
3. Alchemy is really obscured
That's one of the reasons why I've liked Hulk. He always been misunderstood by majority of people inside and out of universe thinking he's just your typical monster. He may be the strongest one there is but at the end of the day Hulk just wants to be left alone.
@Tyrannus I didn't agree that either was better than the other, but if one were to be it would be Stan Lee in my opinion Stan >= Jack
But it's sad because most people don't even know who he is smh...
@Tyrannus What do you think I mean? I agree that he's the most powerful Flash, but I disagree that he's the "most powerful superhero" to ever exist. In fact, I don't view any character in fiction as something like that, because if it were true, it's just wouldn't be fair.
And that's the only way to go with comics. The Goku and Batman fanboys and all think their characters beat the rest; but everyone has to except that some characters might be others' kryptonite.
Its not really that unpopular. Its just not always in the majority. Its like saying you prefer Wally over Barry as the Flash. It may not be the majority but its close.
Also that ranking by @Taurus was spot on. I haven't heard anything to debunk that.
@Dhruv I think its because he's not like your typical Superman-like hero. He can't fly and he doesn't speak normally. @Taurus Thor tends to have the lead more often over Superman. And apart from this site, most people don't say WW beats Hulk.
@Tyrannus Superman does represent hope and willpower like captain america (most of the superheroes represent such good qualities, eg- spider man). People think hulk is always like smash, smash. Hulk is a pretty complex character to read honestly, some people that's why tend to avoid reading about hulk (but I love this complexity).
I'd say Hulk's more popular than Thor. Thor was treated really badly for a very long time and his reputation is only recently starting to recover. WW can't be higher than Hulk either.
I've also heard too many people confidently say that Batman beats Superman and others say Superman beats IG Thanos. By the internet's logic Batman>IG. I prefer to look at the facts than bias.
Hulk will always get stronger so he beats everyone. Thor vs Superman is very close but magic and mjolnir edge him the win. WW has always been slightly less than Superman. Hulk>Thor>Superman>WW.
The OG Avengers Hulk has the best feats. I like Norton better than Ruffalo but I like Whedon's Hulk a lot. OG Avengers Hulk would have beaten Thanos and his whole crew in ten seconds flat.
Big Hero 6 is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Coco is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Inside out is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Sing is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Big Hero 6 made no sense, baymax is a medical robot, now as a Doctor, we know the difference between life and Death, yet Baymax doesn't even Know
Coco is the same CLiche we seen many times, you got our character who likes a topic that everyone else does not, the thing he loves gets destroyed, he runs away and gets into a problem
Inside out , i have no words
Yes baymax understands the difference between life and death it's as simple as checking for a heart beat. We have advanced medical AI now that can understand when a person is dying. And you are misunderstanding the definition of cliche. It has to be so overused in films that it makes the movie bad and coco isn't bad because of that detail. Name 5 other movies with the same plot and then we can see about a cliche.
Gilgamesh isn't a bad charecter but someone who follows his old rules
Hadou gods solo Marvel
Death note sucks after episode 25
Shounen animes are extremely overrated
FMAB isnt really better than fma 2003
Final Fantasy 7 isn't the best final fantasy game
Bloodborne is the best soulsborne game
İsekais other than re zero is absolute trash
fate heavens feel trilogy>fate zero
Near was completely unneeded for the plot,id be happier if L vs Light was longer,in the final L would sacrifice himself to prove light is kira,etc etc,i think writer killing L in the middle of the show and adding unneeded charecters is just lazy writing.
I know but most of them are geniuses in science and Inventions but I doubt any of them have deductive skills equivalent to L except for Batman and sherlock Holmes.
1.(Naruto) sasuke deserves the hate he gets.
2. Sakura is useless.
3. Naruto wasn't an underdog he was a chosen one from beginning.
4. Rock Lee and Might guy are true shinobi who achieved everything via hard work.
5. Pain is the best character in entire series.
6. Naruto shippuden sucked after pain's arc.
7. Akatsuki should've lasted Longer and Akatsuki is best villains group in fiction.
8. Naruto vs pain's fight was mess because of bad animation but it's perfect in manga.
Yes I agree that's why I rarely use it but Battle arena amino is little good and I like to create polls and vote on them but other communities like anime and others are really filled with ignorants, simps, dumba**es,etc I've seen polls In which saitama won with large differences against Lucifer.
Season 5 of Flash has some good, but a lot of bad. Cicada was very boring and Nora was annoying. The Flash suit just seemed weird without the chinstrap. Arrow Season 4, there is a lot. But mainly: Darhk was too OP and Felicity seemed annoying.
The first half was great. I thought Bloodwork was one of the best villains on the show. The second half wasn't as good, but still enjoyable. I think it is the 3rd best season (behind 1st season and 2nd season)
Why are people so dismissive of Spider-Man's rogue? The idea of a rogue is to have foes that can challenge the hero...
A. There's Doc Ock with tentacles that are far too strong for Peter to break, each one of them is nearly as fast as Peter is, there are 4 of them, and they are sentient, too. His arrogance and humanity are do him in, but they aren't easy to exploit for Spider-man(with those tentacles in the way). He might be easy for someone like Punisher(machine gun), Hulk(too strong for the tentacles), or Storm(weather or range), but not easy for Spidey at all.
B. The Green Goblin's tech(spinning, cutting things in the movie--whew) and bombs/superstrength/intelligence/insanity/willingness to do anything to cause Spider-man pain/suffering are incredible as far as facing Parker. And, he knows his secret identity. This has always put those he loves at serious risk as well as himself!
C.The symbiotes: Without supersonics or fire* or help, Spidey can't compete. *Just like kryptonite and magic for Superman. But, Peter never has those things readily available...Carnage was a genius invention by Marvel and they gave him blades, shields, and tendrils(stronger than Venom's webbing). And, he's an insane, wisecracking serial killer that is enraged by being funnier than him at a given moment(which is Spider-man can do). Then, Spider-Carnage takes Cassidy to the next logical step: a burning desire to kill everyone! Plus, they don't trigger his spidersense. THEY CAN BE VERY TOUGH FOR SPIDEY!
D. Sandman and Hydroman are more foes that Spider-man has few ways to defeat.
E. Electro might be dumb, but electricity is a great power to have and Peter is not exactly Hydro-man.
F. Other flying foes like Vulture/Hobgoblin: since Spider-man can't fly.
G. The Shocker has certainly been downgraded over the years, but he was more formidable at one time. His shield power/blast has mimicked Jean Grey's telekinesis.
H. The Spot could defeat lots of foes in any comic universes--without comic license. To be honest, I can see a way he beats Spider-man or Daredevil, too. Just surround them or box them in--shutting off movement. Then, enlarge them.
H. The Kingpin can hire any aspiring villain without a thirst for leadership.
I. Rhino has probably averaged out to be 2.5 to 5 times as strong(and he's at his strongest now).
J. There are other less common ones, too, like Pity, Poison, Black Tarantula, Stegron, etc. that are likely more devastating.
He is missing an Icy foe and a Speedster: I think. But, wouldn't it be cliche to have every kind of foe you can think of?
BUT, WHY ALL THE HATE? I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM EXCEPT MAYBE THAT THEY ARE INNOVATIVE REHASHES OF OTHER DC ONES. DC CAME FIRST, SO IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR(IF I WAS AN ASPIRING COMIC ENTREPRENEUR, THEN I'D BE INSPIRED BY WHAT'S HERE). PLUS, THEY ARE LARGELY DIFFERENT. BUT, I DEFER TO YOUR OPINION, THOUGH. I REITERATE THAT I AM NOT GOING AGAINST YOU OPINION--JUST WONDERING...
Thor has some great villains. Loki, Gorr, Kurse, Hela, Surtur, and Amora The Enchantress just to name a few. But I have to with Spidey having better villains. Thor has one of my favorite rogue's galleries, but Spider-Man has my 3rd favorite (after Batman and Flash).
Saying their fodder is a relative term. Compared to people like Lucifer Morningstar or Death of the Endless then sure but to call them fodder in general doesn't make sense considering their all known as DC's most powerful villains.
I'm saying that my opinion is unpopular because more people liked Endgame more than Infinity War (according to the amount of people who liked the movie.)
Other than the last one hour, Endgame was kind of boring (besides some scenes) while Infinity War didn't have a single boring moment. It started off strong and ended strong. I'd say that the last hour of Endgame was probably the best in the entire MCU but IDK if it's enough to beat Infinity War considering the two hours prior (it does get very close though).
So the fastest feat Wally has ever performed without help is breaking or outracing the Speed Force now Barry'S best feats are running to the Dream Dimension which is outside the DC Multiverse, supposedly running to Marvel and lost his memory and one of his greatest feats was running so fast that he became the lightning bolt that made him The Flash. Flash War: in Flash War Barry slowed down to help Hal after Wally broke his constructs and then caught up to Wally just being about a second behind and then as Wally started to break the Speed Force Barry was in pain and because of that he slowed down. Also Wally can only use a certain amount of energy until Barry generates more energy which means that Barry is not restricted by the amount of energy in the Speed Force which Wally is.
I think that endgame with the ending part was lame. Like when that Doctor strange circle and everyone enters. One thing I wonder is how did Doctor Strange even find everyone to do that. That's why I thought that part was lame.
Are you serious about a single one of these. I mean spiderman solos the green lantern corps. They can all just make giant nonstick frying pans so he can't use his webbing and beat him over the head with it
Ghosties are real. While many believe in ghosts, many do not.
UFO's are real. Again, many believe that aliens have visited Earth, but many refuse to accept such.
Agreed I have a theory that aliens visited earth when it was just the dinosaurs and got eaten so that’s why they rarely come back or they recently discovered humans and are studying us
Spectre, X-23, Ares, Cassandra Cain, Despero and The Sentry are overrated
Moon Knight, Cheetah, Suicide Squad and Batman are underrated
Bendis' Daredevil > Miller's Daredevil - Year One > The Dark Knight Returns
I get attached to my fan-fiction stories and a lot of times. I like to feel like I have a personality with the main protagonist in the story I created.
Marvel was going to buy DC at one point but it was decided by the courts that this would have given Marvel too big a monopoly so was prevented from doing so.
@Mr_Incognito Here's what I mean. Marvel and DC are all-time big business rivals that go way back to the 1930's, right? Well, they've both been known to copy some of each other's ideas and characters and put them in their own works. A lot of people across the web argue that Marvel did most of the copying from DC, but they forget the fact that DC is just as guilty of ding the same thing. I mean, it's pretty obvious that Deadpool is a parody character of Deathstroke and Hyperion may just be a rip-off of Superman, but without Marvel's Namor or Man-Thing DC wouldn't have made characters like Aquaman and Swamp-Thing. And even though Wolverine is a character the same as DC's Timberwolf then DC wouldn't have made Lobo.
So, to make a long story short, Marvel and DC may have copied each other in the past but without each other's ideas they wouldn't have had some of the most popular superheroes people love to this day.
I just don't like Goku as a character. He has basically no development all throughout DB, DBZ and DBS, and is nowhere near as good of a character as Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, etc.
Eh, most people I've seen believe Strange is more powerful than Odin.
What is an unpopular opinion you have ?
What is something you like or believe in which you know your in the MINORITY or is HATED.
1. I think Wanda is underrated
2. Mantis is very underrated
3. I think Infinity War is better than Endgame
4. White Phoenix (Jean) has the potential to become hyperversal or even omniversal
Totally agreed! If he really wanted to he could run exactly at the speed of light and punch someone then he would actually punch with infinite mass which could cause a hole lot of destruction!
Especially Barry Allen as black racer (god of death) because he can kill someone with one touch and do that with everyone on the planet before anyone (except other speedsters) Good react!
I know they've fought each other but Spectre held back and AM hasn't been anywhere near as powerful since COIE.
On that note, the Black Racer is someone who can beat Flash
Your right but he's been pretty close so I wouldn't say he stands no chance. Without any plot armour, the Black Racer will catch him eventually because it can run forever.
It doesn't matter Barry can run long enough and fast enough so black racer couldn't catch him.
Barry has also ran himself to the dream universe which is stated to be outside of the DC multiverse which means that even if black racer could access that universe he wouldn't be death in that universe.
Follow this link and go down to the photos of the comic where they fought
https://www.quora.com/What-are-Barry-Allen-s-greatest-feats/answer/Musab-Qureshi-2
He didn't beat him. That was the first time in the whole fight Superman even touched him. Flash got right back up. Flash was knocking him around and messing with him for most of the fight.
Marvel: Jason Aaron's Jane Thor run was great. Thor has good reactions
DC: the New 52 was great
Star Wars: Rey being a "MOSTLY" valid character (not a Mary Sue). Luke being Vader's equal if not superior.
Jane ain't worthy... Made no sense whatsoever. If they really wanted a female "Thor" pick somebody who is a warrior, noble, like Sif. Even Storm would have been a much better option. The whole reason Thor became unworthy was the dumbest **** ever. Jason Aaron hates Thor and loves Jane, he enjoys pissing off true Thor fans. Jane Foster is a terrible person she left her son and divorced her husband just because she thought Thor might be alive. That's f***ed up
I think Sentry is not only a very well devolved character, I think he's one of the best creations in Marvel. He comes across as someone Stan Lee would have created.
I was looking at Stan Lee's interview on how he created his heroes and he said he always wanted them to have a hindrance to balance out their power. The stronger they were, the bigger the handicap and Sentry fits into that well.
Sentry is to much like Superman except his personality is different and he is more powerfull wich Just makes him a powerfull charachter with a bland personality Superman is a powerfull being trying to be human and inspiring hope in people something sentry does not he is just a overpowered boring character who is copied from superman
I've never understood why people called Sentry and Superman copy. I feel as though people call almost any tough flying superhero in Marvel a Superman copy. Sentry and Superman are so different.
Sentry is easily one of if not the most powerful hero in the MU but he's held back by his own schizophrenia.
Both wear an S
Both have a dog Both have solar based powers
Both are known as one of if not the most powerful hero in their universe
Both were reporters Both had reporter girlfriends and later wives
Both had a “fortress of solitude” The Sentry's is “The Watchtower”
Both had a villain who was super intelligent and named after the brain. Superman vs Brainiac and The Sentry vs Cranio. Both have died but not really Both have had a female take on part of their name. Sentress vs Supergirl.
Both have met their other earth version who had been around years earlier. 30 years earlier
Having a dog is kind of generic.
The thing is their personalities and powers aren't all that similar.
Superman is very well loved both in and out of universe where as Sentry isn't.
What say you?
Superman needs no explanation.
WW has no weaknesses and is on par with Superman.
Batman already has plans to take everyone out.
Green Lantern should be able to take out every JL member if he actually used his imagination and stopped holding back.
Flash would end everyone before they knew it.
Shazam is stronger than Superman and almost as fast as Flash.
batman doesnt need prep time bc he is always prepared for everything i also do believe he is amongst one of the most powerfull characters
deathstroke beats deadpool low diff
according to my (current) (unpopular) opinion :
Wonder Woman is part of the trinity for DC and was well famous even before her movies and TV shows. I'd also include Robin because of how famous Batman and Robin were together.
The X-Men were as popular as Spider-Man and Wolverine was seen as the face of the mutants.
Hulk was also seen as Marvel's big 3 (Spider-Man, Wolverine and Hulk). In fact Hulk was actually voted 27th most influential people on university students which included real life people too.
Spider-Man came 28th.
Captain America only became as popular as he is today because of the MCU but even then I wouldn't say he's smaller than the Thing.
On a side note I'm actually glad to see someone giving support to such an underrated character. I think there was a comic where the Champion held a tournament with all the strongest heroes in Marvel. And surprisingly I think the Thing won despite competing against people like Hulk, Thor and Hercules because Ben had heart.
I can't remember which comic it was from though
( Ultimate edition)
Since we're talking about Watchmen, some other things:
Nothing besides the original comic is cannon. Alan Moore only wanted that to be cannon, and so only that it.
Rorschach is not meant to be idolized. He's not a hero, or even a good person. You could argue about who's right all you want, but most importantly Rorschach is not a good person and not meant to be idolized. If you think Rorschach is a "cool" character, you need to wait a bit to grow up, and then reread the book.
This last thing is just my opinion, but Ozymandias was right.
About superman most fanboys say a simple sun dip allows him to defeat any opponent.
i thought cw made gotham but i guess i'm wrong.
the Almighty Potato> all memeverse, all memepotence characters, and Transfiction, impersonal fiction and all that exists.
Quicksilver's death was more sad than Iron Man's
Andrew Garfield > Tom Holland > Toby Macguire
At least the Toby Parker was smart, opposed to Holland. Parker is supposed to be a genius. Where's that in Holland's portrayal. He's great in his teen-role Parker, but we're three movies in,.. get smart already!
The idea of adamantium/vibranium and unstoppable healing factors is lazy, because they take away the idea of fights actually having stakes. Wonder Woman and Thor are literally gods, but their fights are much more entertaining and actually have stakes. But in fights with wolverine bp and deadpool? Nope! Here's an example: Put Deadpool against someone like Deathstroke who's the better fighter, has superior armor, is smarter, quicker to react, AND has superior feats. Deathstroke, despite all of these advantages, would still lose just because of Deadpool's healing factor. Blow his head off? He's fine. Run him over with a car? He's fine. Burn him alive until only his skeleton is left? He's fine. It takes all of the stakes out of fights since the writers can always fall back on the "you can't get past his healing factor" excuse. Same with Wolverine. Put him against someone about equal physically like Bane. Despite Bane being stronger and smarter, he can't even give Logan a fight at all. Why? Because of his healing factor and adamantium skeleton which you can't break. Bane could punch and pound and kick the crap out of Logan until he was a bloody pulp, and it wouldn't even matter. Also, take Black Panther. Put him against someone similar skill-wise like Batman or Captain America. The fight wouldn't have any stakes at all. Despite Bat and Cap being his equal skill-wise and tactically, his armor makes all of their skill irrelevant since they can't even touch him. Any character that has either an unbreakable suit/skeleton and a healing factor that literally can't be overpowered is not a good character.
He killed the titans Giyas and Garamas before they became Omnipotent.
Still stomps fodder Toaa
"and he doesn't blink fiction"
But still stomp Fodder Above Fodders
Well, then, when will be Paul Blart's movie: Mall Cop 3
#BringTheBlart3
(Comics)
Edit:I don't know which is this guy who downvoted my every comment
Personally I'm a very happy person :)
My personal cure is isolation. Time heals all wounds.
grey matter>brainstorm>T'challa>batman>M.O.D.O.K>bruce banner=tony>lex
He can’t hold a candle to this guy^
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I was a bit confused when reading your comment. Not trying to be a grammer n*zi this time. Just trying to help.
this scene alone is better than whole movie
The Elder scrolls > Cthulhu Mythos >> Umineko
That's a fact btw
- Featherine
- The creator
- Qlippoth & Sefiros
- SCP 3812
- TOAA
He doesn't deserve the Hate he gets
In terms of character
Griffith >>> Guts
DC >>>... Marvel
1 - Infinity War
2 - Captain America: Winter Soldier
3 - Thor Ragnarok
Winter Soldier is regarded as one of the better MCU movies.
Dormammu (MCU) >>> Thano (Infinity Gauntlet) (MCU) >>> Hela (MCU)
-Ooh! Another unpopular opinion! RoTS is overrated. Its a fine movie but people act like its a religious text.
-Oh! Another one! The Mandolorian is trash. Its a generic TV show that happens to be Star Wars. It's predictable and the characters are just okay.
He had the high ground
"Few survive an encounter with the most powerful Sith in the Galaxy.
Escape is the only chance of survival".
Aside from Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine and Jogo's Fire Meteor, JJK has not yet shown destructive feats en par with the higher tiers from HST.
JJK can only compete with them because of Gojo's completely broken Limitless ability, which is well-suited for NLF arguments.
it's more on the "gory" and "gritty" side in comparison to most other shonen / action manga I've read (and I've read ~ 40+).
Its art is among the best I've seen.
Its story , for now, seems pretty complicated and it's unpredictable what will happen.
All in all, I find JJK (the manga) is clearly one of the very best I've read, with a lot of potential.
Maybe it will stay with us for many years to come.
Trish theme >>> Giorno theme
• Thor is Universal in power and, when not holding back, can beat the likes of beings such as Galactus or even Death.
• There is no such thing as an "Outerverse." The comics make it very clear that the most destructive thing a character can do is destroy a Multiverse.
• Superman is fodder and way too overrated.
• Thor can solo the entire Justice League.
• Thor is one of, if not the most powerful heroes in all of comics.
• Many more that I cannot think of right now.
@Mr_Incognito: Those are arguments of my own. I am the one who argues them. I came up with them. Now, if I recall correctly, my influence spans but only a tiny, tiny portion of the entire internet, that being a little website called Superhero Database. That means if my arguments are considered popular, that only applies to the general public of the Superhero Database website. But, as a comic book community as a whole, that is, again, a very small portion of the community. So, maybe they are popular on this website, but when considering it's popularity as a whole, they are not very popular at all. Unless you are saying my influence has reached the majority of the comic book community, in which case, yeah, they are popular by definition, but I'm pretty sure that is not the case. Unless, of course, I've missed something for the past 7 months. But I highly doubt it. Anyways, in what way are they wrong?
@Taurus: What other part?
@Savage What did he do wrong? He may be onto something.
@Taurus lmao
If you don't know then why lie?
@Sirspidey It doesn’t matter. It was still base Superman. Base Superman can use his power source. They were standing on a different planet too. If that doesn’t count because of him flying through the sun, then Thor making Galactus flee shouldn’t count because he was drawing extra power from Odin.
He stopped his punches with literally 1 finger and then sent him to the ground. This is why context is important.
Superman needs yellow suns to get amped. Thor can summon the god blast whenever he needs.
Darth Vader > Hulk
Yoda > Thanos and Hulk together
a Green Arrow Mockingbird Rivalry, what about that
Good...
5. The Teen Titans
4. The Avengers
3. The Justice League
2. The X-Men
1. The Fantastic Four
1. The 60's are considered a huge renaissance for superhero comics
2. This is because dialog improved, characters developed better, and comics suddenly became realistic depictions of humanity
3. The #1 pioneer of all those things and all the other things I've been talking about was the FF
Which of those points do you disagree with? The FF were #1 when comics were #1. You're right about the X-Men pretty much copying Doom Patrol. I see it in a similar light as Swamp Thing being a complete copy of Man-Thing though. Swamp-Thing might technically be kind of a rip-off, but he's also one of the greatest comic characters of all time, easily better than Man-Thing. The X-Men are still legendary. I don't think anything about the doom patrol takes away from that. You make a great point about the Justice League, and I think they're an amazing team for that reason, but they're still better as individual characters. At many times they seem akwardly forced together, operating more as clunky coworkers than anything else. Teams like the FF and the X-Men are characters literally designed to work well together, and that just makes for a better dynamic. The FF is a family, the JL is overall much less close. What's your point with the "they don't assemble, they unite" phrase? As for villains, it really depends how you measure it. They certainly have more well developed and iconic villains, but like with the Doom/Joker thing, the FF was essential to making some of the greatest villains of all time. Even characters like the Mole Man who are often laughed at were breakthrough characters. The Mole Man was a villain you felt bad for, characters like him changed how everyone saw villains. The FF comic changed villains immensely, making comic villains everywhere into characters as complicated as the heroes with the FF's influence. This was at a time where every JL villain was a dollar store criminal with one gig. Even characters who later became legends, like the Joker. These villains would later become amazing characters, only because of the FF's incredible influence. I could go back right now and reread the first JL comics from the early 60's at the same time as the FF ones, and the comparison in dialog and character development would be practically embarrassing. The FF was wayyy ahead of it's time. It's easily the more influential team. The only argument for the JL being better would have to be from decades later, when the JL and their villains were far better (due to FF influence). You say it's DC paving the way for Marvel, but the only argument you've made to that point is that DC is older. That doesn't mean they actually did things first. It seems to me like it's the other way around, especially in the 60's. Marvel was way ahead of DC, paving the way for them. I've given countless examples why, and I can relist them if you disagree with some of them. Your turn to name ways the JL paved the way.
https://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/comic_sales.html
I can definitely say that yes, the JL had influenced the avengers more than the F4, but the point I’m making is that without Martin Goodman realizing the profitability of superhero teams by seeing how well the public reacted to the Justice League, the F4 wouldn’t have been created by Stan Lee. Now we can argue until the end of time about who influenced characters and stories and blah blah blah but what I know for certain is who inspired who to be created. I also can say that I’m not really in agreement about them being better individually. The dynamic between Superman and Batman and also Barry and Hal are very complex and interesting to see. Even the relationship between WW and Aquaman. I mean hell, the heart and soul of the team is a Martian whose the last of his kind. The diversity of the team allows for so much depth in their relationships. I think seeing all of the JL coming together is a sight to behold. They may not be as emotionally layered as the F4 in your opinion, but I think that their larger than life and almost mythical quality to them is what makes them so great, along with their struggles and diversity of course. The biggest difference between DC and Marvel characters on the whole is that DC’s heroes generally are more mythological and larger than life. They’re inspirational figures. Marvel has always taken the more human and down to earth approach, which resonates with some people in a different way and I respect and understand that. For inspiration, think of it like this. A lot of teams have followed this formula the JL established. You have the leader and brains of the operation (Batman, Mr Fantastic, Iron Man) the figurehead and muscle (Superman, Cap, The thing) the hothead of the group who likes to joke around (Flash, Thor, Johnny Blaze) a more quiet but emotionally deep and powerful member (Martian Manhunter, Invisible woman). Stuff like that. For me I just think the JL are the best team because their characters have so much depth and overcome so much tragedy and are from so many different walks of life. I actually really like the F4, probably more than the X-Men or Avengers. I just personally find the team of such diverse beings in the league to be a better team than a group of humans.
@Mr Incognito yeah I really like both characters but at the end of the day Spider-Man is my favorite
There was a time when Daredevil was just as famous as the Avengers. I kind of miss those days.
DC have 52 univerees/multiverses
So that means Pre Retcon Beyonder solo all fiction cause he is more powerful than millions of multiverse combine.
I'm pretty sure there's nothing close to millions, including all fictional universe in entire world.
Thank You.
LMAO
Also multiverse is the lowest floor in dc (im sure you dont know but nvm)
They said they have infinite universe lol marvel also said so many times they have infinite universes...
It's not about what they said it's about what revealed.
And tell me where DC revealed infinite universes ? XD
Infinite is just a concept of that can't be count, it doesn't really matter.
You can't count mean you need to give time for it to count.
Thank you.
Opinions can be anything
Do i need to tell you something like that ?
Thank You.
Inb4 mute
Thank You
I know the concept of David Hilbert's 'The Grand Hotel'
That was 'thought excrement'
Infinity start with the things that we don't know, infinite is not concept of countless/uncountable it is concept of endless/unlimited
I know some mathematics shows the concept of Infinity by their thoughts experiment
But I'm going with physics where infinity doesn't exist, if there's infinite in your calculations that means your calculations is wrong or you made mistakes so every physicist afraid of 'infinite'
And real world's universe is omniverse i mean everything exist inside universe, everything is universe even void, and if you talking about real world's universe then there's a so many different opinion, different theories, believe, concepts
And not all people follow same.
What i believe is universe made by big bang (actually it was not a bang) before universe, there was nothing not even the void, there's whole different topic for nothingness...in 1915 a certain physicist made a connection between something and what appears to be nothing. In that year Albert Einstein published his general theory of relativity. According to this theory, the vacuum has a structure. Clocks placed in various locations in the vacuum run at different speeds, depending on their nearness to matter, and a rod suspended in space will appear to be of different lengths depending on where it and its observer are. According to Einstein, this structure, called space-time, is responsible for the phenomenon of gravity.
Gravity, then, is not a force pulling through nothingness, but an effect of the structure of that apparent nothingness. The vacuum, the apparent nothingness, by virtue of its structure is a field of energy. (By means of its structure, it bends the paths of light and other things that pass through it and therefore does work.) Einstein had already shown in the special theory of relativity that E=mc2, so the field of energy had to be a field of matter.
While general relativity was demonstrating that what might seem to be nothing is not nothing, a new branch of physics, quantum physics, which Einstein had helped found, was introducing other interesting ideas that turned out to bear on the relationship between nothing and something. Quantum physics studies quanta, the smallest particles that make up matter. In its early days, this form of physics made a truly disturbing discovery, which has since been confirmed time and time again. Particles are particles, but then they are not; they are waves. A particle is a particle only if you want it to be, if you insist on pinning it down. Otherwise, it is a wave. The whole point is the universe came from nothingness and it is still expanding, so it is not infinite.
And as i said before its not about what they said in their comic pages it's about what they revealed, if someone haven't shows you anything but they keep saying they have it then still you gonna believe it ? Not me.
And nobody can revealed infinite universes, and yes it is impossible, so many mathematics prove infinite only in theory thought experiment...but so many scientists also disagree and so many scientists agreed...
And multiverse in fiction is concept of parallel universe that means different timeliness based on different choices or circumstances...and possibilities
So it can be infinite because there's infinite possibilities, actually its not infinite it is just countless so see I'm not going against any theory of mathematics, neither i said concept of infinite is impossible.
Infinite end where it's started, so round.
If you know how human brains work then, you know you like to believe that our brain is so smarter than we think but it's not true.
Again, concepts of infinite shows that how small is our brain, how small our imagination/ thoughts
Even if you are the smartest guy in the universe and if you know everything about universe then concept of infinite shows that how much you don't know than you know, it also shows your knowledge is nothing.
Concept of infinite is beyond our imagination most people can't even understand it.
Sometimes writers uses words "infinite" just because it's sounds cool
Comic writers are not scientists, they writes whatever in their minds, they don't even uses clear logic because they can't and if comic is full of logic then it's not fun, it's gonna look like real world. But that doesn't mean they don't uses logic they uses basic logic like you can't be intangibles without superpowers or something like that.
Parallel universes can be uncountable but not infinite, fictional universe/ multiverse concept is little bit different, it's like there's multiverse inside universe... don't get it ? Marvel is a fictional universe... at least it is called as universe yes marvel universe DC universe, dark horse universe, dragon ball universe etc but DC universe have multiverses inside their universe and universe inside multiverse, maybe it's sounds confusing but it is logical, again don't forget multiverse in fiction is concept of parallel universe that mean your other versions exist in others universes, i don't think i need to explain parallel universe,
And there's main universe like earth prime, earth 616 etc rest are alternate universe/part of parallel universe and combination of all universes are multiverse, entire multiverse is a universe(like marvel,dc, image)
And i think beyonder's multiverse means what i explained. That means marvel is one multiverse...
marvel, DC, dark horse, image= 4 multiverse and so on so on
Combination of multiverse become omniverse (all fiction)
There can be millions, billions multiverse but not now.
Thank you.
1. TOAA
2. Toba
3. Nyx/Vision
4. Griever at The End of All Things
5. Molecule Man/Beyonders
1.TOAA/TOBA
2. BRB
3. MULT-OBLIVION
4. HOI NYX
5. PRMM
and I'm not talking about regular oblivion, I'm talking about true form of oblivion... who talked with readers directly and threatened
Batman is overrated and him having a no kill rule doesn't make sense. DC always tries to tell you he's not a good person inside, but there's no evidence of that. He has more Kantian morals than goddamn superman. It would be better if batman did kill, making him the dark superhero that DC pretends he is. Also, plenty of people have their parents die when they're young. This doesn't make them dress up as a bat and beat up strangers. His motives get consistently dated and it get's harder and harder not to read a batman comic and think "If these guys beating up clowns because he can't get over his parents dying when he was a kid he needs some serious mental help"
1. Martian Manhunter is more videos, more content
2. more People Know Martian Manhunter
3. Alchemy is really obscured
In the end, after everyone dies besides for Hulk.
Just a side point though, how is this an unpopular opinion? Also f the ungrateful people of the Marvel Universe.
But it's sad because most people don't even know who he is smh...
Edit: I think for a post here the more downvotes you get the more accurate it is.
Also that ranking by @Taurus was spot on. I haven't heard anything to debunk that.
@Dhruv That's true mainly for movies; in the comics Hulk barely lags behind the average of those.
@Taurus Thor tends to have the lead more often over Superman. And apart from this site, most people don't say WW beats Hulk.
Hulk will always get stronger so he beats everyone. Thor vs Superman is very close but magic and mjolnir edge him the win. WW has always been slightly less than Superman. Hulk>Thor>Superman>WW.
lol
much better than avengers hulk
Coco is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Inside out is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Sing is one of the worst Movies I've ever seen in my life
Coco is the same CLiche we seen many times, you got our character who likes a topic that everyone else does not, the thing he loves gets destroyed, he runs away and gets into a problem
Inside out , i have no words
Big Hero 6 > Inside Out >= Zootopia > Average Movie >>> Emoji Movie = Sing = Coco
Hadou gods solo Marvel
Death note sucks after episode 25
Shounen animes are extremely overrated
FMAB isnt really better than fma 2003
Final Fantasy 7 isn't the best final fantasy game
Bloodborne is the best soulsborne game
İsekais other than re zero is absolute trash
fate heavens feel trilogy>fate zero
2. I think FMAB is better than fma
3. Yes, some shounen animes are overrated.
bruce wayne
amadeus cho
bruce benner
dr doom
lex luthor
reed richards
sherlock holmes
those characters will slap
2. Sakura is useless.
3. Naruto wasn't an underdog he was a chosen one from beginning.
4. Rock Lee and Might guy are true shinobi who achieved everything via hard work.
5. Pain is the best character in entire series.
6. Naruto shippuden sucked after pain's arc.
7. Akatsuki should've lasted Longer and Akatsuki is best villains group in fiction.
8. Naruto vs pain's fight was mess because of bad animation but it's perfect in manga.
This may be the single most popular and accepted opinion ever
Season 4 of Arrow was Not Bad
A. There's Doc Ock with tentacles that are far too strong for Peter to break, each one of them is nearly as fast as Peter is, there are 4 of them, and they are sentient, too. His arrogance and humanity are do him in, but they aren't easy to exploit for Spider-man(with those tentacles in the way). He might be easy for someone like Punisher(machine gun), Hulk(too strong for the tentacles), or Storm(weather or range), but not easy for Spidey at all.
B. The Green Goblin's tech(spinning, cutting things in the movie--whew) and bombs/superstrength/intelligence/insanity/willingness to do anything to cause Spider-man pain/suffering are incredible as far as facing Parker. And, he knows his secret identity. This has always put those he loves at serious risk as well as himself!
C.The symbiotes: Without supersonics or fire* or help, Spidey can't compete. *Just like kryptonite and magic for Superman. But, Peter never has those things readily available...Carnage was a genius invention by Marvel and they gave him blades, shields, and tendrils(stronger than Venom's webbing). And, he's an insane, wisecracking serial killer that is enraged by being funnier than him at a given moment(which is Spider-man can do). Then, Spider-Carnage takes Cassidy to the next logical step: a burning desire to kill everyone! Plus, they don't trigger his spidersense. THEY CAN BE VERY TOUGH FOR SPIDEY!
D. Sandman and Hydroman are more foes that Spider-man has few ways to defeat.
E. Electro might be dumb, but electricity is a great power to have and Peter is not exactly Hydro-man.
F. Other flying foes like Vulture/Hobgoblin: since Spider-man can't fly.
G. The Shocker has certainly been downgraded over the years, but he was more formidable at one time. His shield power/blast has mimicked Jean Grey's telekinesis.
H. The Spot could defeat lots of foes in any comic universes--without comic license. To be honest, I can see a way he beats Spider-man or Daredevil, too. Just surround them or box them in--shutting off movement. Then, enlarge them.
H. The Kingpin can hire any aspiring villain without a thirst for leadership.
I. Rhino has probably averaged out to be 2.5 to 5 times as strong(and he's at his strongest now).
J. There are other less common ones, too, like Pity, Poison, Black Tarantula, Stegron, etc. that are likely more devastating.
He is missing an Icy foe and a Speedster: I think. But, wouldn't it be cliche to have every kind of foe you can think of?
BUT, WHY ALL THE HATE? I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM EXCEPT MAYBE THAT THEY ARE INNOVATIVE REHASHES OF OTHER DC ONES. DC CAME FIRST, SO IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR(IF I WAS AN ASPIRING COMIC ENTREPRENEUR, THEN I'D BE INSPIRED BY WHAT'S HERE). PLUS, THEY ARE LARGELY DIFFERENT. BUT, I DEFER TO YOUR OPINION, THOUGH. I REITERATE THAT I AM NOT GOING AGAINST YOU OPINION--JUST WONDERING...
I'm sorry, but we're not supposed to discuss politics or religion on this site.
I’m Joking
I do plan to watch it again. I might have been in the wrong mindset or mood.
UFO's are real. Again, many believe that aliens have visited Earth, but many refuse to accept such.
Moon Knight, Cheetah, Suicide Squad and Batman are underrated
Bendis' Daredevil > Miller's Daredevil - Year One > The Dark Knight Returns
Aqua: hold my purification
So, to make a long story short, Marvel and DC may have copied each other in the past but without each other's ideas they wouldn't have had some of the most popular superheroes people love to this day.
DC - Hal Jordan is easily comparable to Barry Allen in speed.
Star Wars - The top tiers (Vitiate, Yoda, Anakin, Caedus, Vader, Sidious, Sarasu, Luke, etc.) are easily multiversal.
Dragon Ball - I dislike Goku, Gohan would be a much better main character.
Naruto - Sakura is the best member of Team 7, excluding Kakashi-sensei.
Eh, most people I've seen believe Strange is more powerful than Odin.
What is something you like or believe in which you know your in the MINORITY or is HATED.
1. I think Wanda is underrated
2. Mantis is very underrated
3. I think Infinity War is better than Endgame
4. White Phoenix (Jean) has the potential to become hyperversal or even omniversal
May the speed force be with you⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
On that note, the Black Racer is someone who can beat Flash
Barry has also ran himself to the dream universe which is stated to be outside of the DC multiverse which means that even if black racer could access that universe he wouldn't be death in that universe.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-Barry-Allen-s-greatest-feats/answer/Musab-Qureshi-2
Also, Kylo Ren is cool
Wonder Woman isn't Bulletproof.
Marvel: Jason Aaron's Jane Thor run was great. Thor has good reactions
DC: the New 52 was great
Star Wars: Rey being a "MOSTLY" valid character (not a Mary Sue). Luke being Vader's equal if not superior.
Sentry is easily one of if not the most powerful hero in the MU but he's held back by his own schizophrenia.
Both have a dog Both have solar based powers
Both are known as one of if not the most powerful hero in their universe
Both were reporters Both had reporter girlfriends and later wives
Both had a “fortress of solitude” The Sentry's is “The Watchtower”
Both had a villain who was super intelligent and named after the brain. Superman vs Brainiac and The Sentry vs Cranio. Both have died but not really Both have had a female take on part of their name. Sentress vs Supergirl.
Both have met their other earth version who had been around years earlier. 30 years earlier
The thing is their personalities and powers aren't all that similar.
Superman is very well loved both in and out of universe where as Sentry isn't.