Open debate challenge.

I think that fight can go either way but sure bring your arguments

Wolverine have healing factor wayyyyy faster and bettrr than slade sure slade can also heal but slower. Slade may be a better fighter but i dont see a way he can take down wolverine @Jongensoden

Surprised no one has disagreed yet

well i agree doom>joker

Well it’s nice to know that someone does agree with me on that

Why do you think doom is a better charachter

@Jongensoden He is way more complex in my opinion. A good example is when something happened to iron man I don’t really remember what but something did so he wasn’t really present at the time, Doom became the new iron man because he secretly had respect for him and was looking for redemption after what he did in secret wars.

Well i think its the opposite Joker is a way more deep and complex charachter. Especially if you know his goals making Batman insane like him. Or make Batman kill him to prove everyone is like him deep inside. Its way more complex and hard to all write in a paragraph but think of it like this they are both two sides of the same coin: two individuals who, because of a horrible day in their lives, became insane and decided to take on the world and make it in their image.The Joker's ultimate victory is for the Batman, the strongest enemy of his world view, a person who refuses no matter what to break down to his level, to kill him. He wants the Batman to kill him. He can't wait for Batman to do it. It will prove his point: anyone can be broken into evil, just like him, if their pain or their reasons are strong enough.

You make a good point and I agree with the fact that Joker is very complex, however I don’t think he is as close to being as complex but it’s close. I mean Dooms goal is to not rule the world but to save it, well sorta. He wants to rule the world for a number of reasons his hubris, to prove he is better then Reed Richards, and to save the world. In his mind if he takes over the world he would save it. Also Stan Lee himself thinks that Doom would not be a bad world leader, as weird as it is but he is dooms co creator, along with Jack Kirby. Also his rivalry with Reed Richards is a lot deeper then one would think I mean sure he really just wants to prove he is better then Reed but he himself has said that Reed is his superior in Secret Wars. Also he has a relationship with Reeds daughter and she calls him uncle Doom lol. But he has shown that he cares about her, a little. He delivered her when Reed could not and even gave him parenting advice before, when she went to Doom without Reed knowing. It wasn’t good really but it was advice, I think it was something like in Latveria it’s forbidden for children to stay up past there bedtime or something. Doom and Joker are very complex in different ways I just see Doom as the superior. Also this is my first debate so I am kinda excited.

I disagree, even though Doom is one of my favorite villains of all time. I think the mystery of Joker’s backstory and the fact that he doesn’t have any powers makes him more frightening.

He will respond if he does I guess

She definitely has potential to become one. Dead family, Dead boyfriend, Dead children... she checks all the boxes for reasons to become a supervilian. BUT I don't think she would classify as a villain at this current moment.

Oh really? So inprisoning all those people isnt a crime. She should be dead for that

She didn't MEAN to imprison all those people. It was a spur of the moment type thing. If she had done it on purpose then that would be a serious no-no.

She's been a villain since House of M

@Masetheface if i had it my way she would be dead

Pu-lease, she didn't kill anyone so you can't put the death penalty on her.

@Tyrannus: We're talking about MCU Wanda.

@masetheface you just think shes good looking ;)

I do not have a crush on Wanda thank you very much. I'm just saying there is no reason to kill her.

@MaseTheFace and @Elizabeth_Olsen awwwwww XD

OMG, Your shipping me with Scarlet Witch because I don't want her to die??? Elizabeth Olsen is very beautiful but I am NOT crushing on her.

Wanda is one of the best unique and most powerfull charachters

@Jongensoden: Unique? sure. Most powerful? Eh.

Yes the chaos wave is omniversal. And in base she has oneshotted thor and beat many powerfull charachters

@MaseTheFace then who do you like ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

@Jongensoden: She is very powerful, yes. But she is nowhere near the most powerful.

@MaseTheFace i made you a present

https://www.superherodb.com/superman-vs-scarlet-witch-mcu/90-240828/#
click on this

That information is classified Mr. Rivas

in the mcu wanda is def most powerfil

is it miss johanassan

Wow, thank you. But my profile is Earth 2 Superman Val-Zod not Calvin Ellis. And no I don't like Miss Johanassan

Wanda also fought celestials beated doom stopped mjolnir in thei air knocked down thor she beated someone with comparable power to eternity etc

@MaseTheFace but well never meeet in person and i dont know your secret identity so
JUST TELL ME

And why should I tell you?

ill tell you mine... @masetheface but only if you say yours

@Jongensoden: There is a VERY long list of characters more powerful than Wanda.

How can I trust you Mr.Rivas??

Such as?

@masetheface ill go first?

I'll give you a hint. My current crush in from the show My hero Academia. The rest is up to you.

@masetheface ohhhhh your one of those kidsss... anime kidsssss. sory i just hate manga and anime lol

@Jongensoden: *Inhales* Phantom Stranger, Spectre, Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Anti-Monitor, Wonder Woman (possibly), Flash, Trigon, Mr Mxy, Eclipso, Martian Manhunter, and the list goes on.

Oh please, what your reason for hating anime?

Disagree with all of those lol

@masetheface alot of reasons i dont know i just accocoiate a lot of things with anime.

That's your opinion and I respect it.

@Jongensoden: Wanda is not beating Trigon, Phantom Stranger, Spectre, Mxy, or Doctor Fate that's for sure.

You never told me you you likeeeeee. Spill the tea

@masetheface oh right sorry! i like... my gf BIG BRAIN

Ummm, an interesting choice but go off.

@MaseTheFace why is that interesting :(

Idk if were talking about the same Big Brain but the one on the database is ... interesting to say the least.

@MaseTheFace aight well you and beth have a good life <3

Beth?

She beated an enemy as powerfull as eternity so im pretty sure she can

@Jongensoden: I doubt she could beat them.

Hmm who do you take?

@Jongensoden: Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern (John), Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl

WHY IS GREEN ARROW NOT HERE

@Caleb_Rivas: Because I was using the current Justice League from the Zack Snyder comics.

How do you think Saitama would fair against the League?

Im pretty sure Superman is already enough for him.

@Jongensoden: I thought so too. Also, do you think Wonder Woman's sword could hurt Saitama?

It could cut him in half

Lol sure i challenge you to debate on something you want.

Is that a challenge Mr.Rivas???

Lets debate Bread vs TOAA

@MaceTheFace lets start off easy start with MCU

What about the MCU?

Hmm sure what are you interested to debate in.

lets see how about scarlet witch house of m?

Good topic 😈

@Jongensoden so what do u think house of m wanda as universal power being or planetary or like global power being

I think the chaos wave is omniversal.

@Jongensoden right now its only worldwide warping at all... which means planetary to the least

The spell affected the Omniverse which you can't change by saying it was "retconned out of existence".

no it didn't ... change omniverse but on earth ... that's all

Uh thats just false the mutant spell works on an omniversal level because the spell went threw every universe searching for the x gene, Also that’s AVX Wanda which is not the same thing as HOM Wanda, in the book they even say she isn’t at HOM level anymore

no it only earth level or planetary or a universe at all ... don't just say that wanda is omniversal ...because she is not ... that's just hype up only

@Jongensoden the book mainly focus on house of m and said it affected world wide or universal...not omniversal at all

You cant retcon an omniversal event The spell was shown to search every universe it went to on panel (via Doctor Strange) looking for mutants to affect. They have even stated the wave swept the omniverse which makes sense. The spell was actively searching for mutants to affect and the spell had ran through the entire Omniverse. Unless you can find a writer saying the definition of omniverse isn’t what it actually is in marvel then she is omniversal

@Jongensoden she only change may be universe ...or earth ... whatever ... it's all hype that we make on ... before all this i thought she is powerful than living tribunal but then no ... u know everything has changed in comics no more mutants only affected in 616 earth not more ... don't make omniverse into a joke ...her power level is only universal though i believe now ... because marvel comics say so

The spell searched every universe in the multiverse for “mutants”. Therefore whether it affected that many is irrelevant, her range is calculated as omniversal as stated on panel, but go ahead keep arguing with the on panel facts

its all changed now whatever omniversal multiversal things... the event is now universal

Np dude you will get better over time.

You gotta know about the topic and read comics I'm not a good debater myself.

Sure what is your main reason for supporting shrek?

@Jongensoden in the anime, The Fallen Racist, Shrek destroyed Donkey even when he had the N-Word Pass, an Omniversal weapon in the memeverse or the Robin Sikk Universe.

Green Scar Hulk slaps he has unlimited strength and transcends the no limit fallacy. Not to forget everyone is an avatar of Green Scar Hulk so you can attribute every feat in fiction to a Green Scar Hulk feat

@Jongensoden it was once said in the N-Word Series, Pickle Rick said that Shrek transcends beyond Fiction and has limitless power Skipper said that Overvoid is just a form of Shrek

Can you prove that? Also limitess power is a no limits fallacy

http://churchofshrek.yolasite.com/the-holy-book.php
@Jongensoden

Pump the brakes, If I have the N-word pass I have an omniversal weapon in the memeverse? This is new information.

@MaseTheFace there is a lot to learn

HAHAHAHA, I hold an omniversal weapon in my very hands! Look upon me in FEARRRRR!

it says In the beginning, there was neither light, nor dark. Neither a sound, or sight wich means he is bound by time. So not even outerversal

@Jongensoden, no he is not, followers see that Shrek is actually in the distance, he created time

If followers can see him and he is physical in the distance then he is bound by time direction and space 😉