I know lot of people are gonna vote for thor🤣,because thor is one of the most hated superhero..And the hate is from Hulk fanbois and Superman fanbois.Yes,thor is overrated by some kind of fanbois, but i see people downplaying him more than wanking..
1. Rune King Thor
2. Wanda (She is one of my favourite Marvel characters, but I have to admit that she is overrated)
3. Silver Surfer
4. Galactus
5. Thanos
6. Darkseid
7. Base Hulk
8. Base Superman (hE iS oUtErVeRsAl)
9. Sentry
10. Batman with prep or Captain America
Batman: People overstate his feats and abilities due to his plot armor which gets really annoying.
Deadpool: People think he's unbeatable because he can't die and regenerates really fast, despite being incapacitated by far weaker opponents such as Hawkeye or Daredevil.
Taskmaster: People think that he can't lose H2H because he can mimic fighting styles even though he's been beaten by Spider-man a couple times, Captain America even when he was prepared and Deadpool. His fighting prowess is kind of overestimated.
Can a man make a plane change direction with his legs Dodge bullets punch People trough walls survive weeks without sleep fight 3 days no stop underrating batman
Batman is the most overrated character just because of fanboys who like to say he can do ANYTHING with enough prep time. He also has this unbreakable plot armor which makes him have all the BS feats that fanboys just LOVE to bring up in debates. Batman's ENTIRE narrative is about how he doesn't have superpowers but he very clearly has some kind of superpower if he can RUN THROUGH BAZOOKA FIRE!!! Couldnt find the picture for it.
Anything can happen but within reason. We're told Batman has no powers therefore he shouldn't be doing inhuman feats. If Batman casually beat up Superman and Wonder Woman in an arm wrestle would you accept that?
So u believe his feats should stomp captain America?
Still ur voting for cap ,
That question i shouldn't have to reply rather dc should have explain it
He is underrated without prep and i can debate you on it right now someone on this site thinks he can beat batman if he existed many People thinks he can die by a gunshot or a stab yet survived worse many People think his stamina is as a normal man yet he can fight for 3 days
He massively overrated. Many people assume just because he does one extreme stunt, he can consistently do so. Other people just think he wins because they assume he has prep. And then there's the people who just vote for him because he's Batman
Maybe batman has sometimes a annoying fanbase like People saying he wins because he is Batman or he can beat everyone with prep or other stupid **** but if anything he is underrated someone on this site thinks he can beat batman if he existed many People thinks he can die by a gunshot or a stab yet survived worse many People think his stamina is as a normal man yet he can fight for 3 days
@jongensoden I'd say is the only Batman fan who can actually defend him properly. The rest just get salty when called out on good points that show Batman would lose.
Well I think the fact that a normal human has survived gunshots and stabs and even getting hit by Amazo who had the combined strength of superman and wonder woman is what makes him so overrated
Most people from this site believe thor is overrated so there must be a reason actually is is overrated i saw many battle that Thor shouldn't have won are being very close
So as Batman bt u neglecting him , batman and Superman are world greatest super hero so people are giving name overrated , to be fair batman >> >> >> >Thor in term of greatness
I agree Batman the most dangerous man alive but not because he can beat people in fair fights. It's his mind that makes him stand out.
I believe Superman is the greatest hero to ever exist and Batman is second. What I said about Thor is in terms of how he's seen in the comics in that he's a god among men.
I have to say it is Iron Man. Before Iron Man 1, he was the financial backer of the Avengers and a smart guy, that is IT!.. since the movie, he is now some sudden powerhouse... they totally lost me when he solo'd Magneto during X-Men vs Avengers. What a crock of @##@$!
but hey, he has nanotech now, so he should be able to do anything right!
(I can accept some guy that can manipulate one of the main forces of the universe, but I just cannot bend reality enough to accept Iron Man! )
I'd say he deserves a lot of the attention he's getting. He's been through a lot to get to where he is now. He wasn't born with powers or was lucky to get irradiated with them, he's had to make everything himself. He's like Marvel's Batman if Batman was actually smart enough to realise using a machine suit would be much safer than going with a cape and cowl.
Hulk would beat Superman because he only gets stronger. If anything he's incredibly underrated because in most "Hulk vs ..." most people assume Hulk loses.
No one ever says he can beat anyone though. Only the Hulk haters assume that.
Ok it is technically possible for him to absorb infinite gamma radiation it is not possible for any person to be infinitely mad. If you want someone smarter than me explaining it watch the imaginary axis about how strong hulk is and regarding superman's durability he held a black hole IN HIS HANDS
And I would technically say he's over rated just because he is on the avengers and gets a lot of attention but he is the embodiment of strength and he reflects that in his feats
I saw that video by imaginary axis and while a very good point, he treated this like it's real life. Hulk's been stated many times to have the potential for infinite strenght. While he is one of the most popular heroes, he's still quite hated too.
Superman struggled to hold a black hole the size of speck of dust. Hulk did this;
Lol I can tell you now I'm older than you son. Also I showed a scan from the comic itself and your still in denial. Speaks for itself. Facts don't care about your feelings.
A very interesting response there, Mxyzptik. It does seem like Marvel gets a lot more publicity than DC, especially the Marvel movies. Having said that, DC has some very good television programs, but that does not seem to get as much recognition as the Marvel films. Though I lean towards Marvel, I would choose the DC television shows over the Marvel films.
1. Batman - He can still be shot, burnt, or stabbed. He can bleed out, die from cancer, or have a heart attack. This guy is a human. No matter how much prep-time you give him, he isn't beating Lucifer Morningstar, TOAA, Featherine, or the Beyonders. Without it, he's a street-level character and has the possibility to lose to Captain America, Kylo Ren, or Moon Knight.
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2. Goku - Most people understand me on this. Attack Potency =/ Destructive Capability. Goku isn't destroying the universes with punches or the multiverse with a Kamehameha. He stops focusing and he lets his guard down, a well-thrown rock or a laser can put him down. My point is...Goku is overrated.
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3. Darkseid - THIS GUY IS SO OVERRATED IT GETS ON MY NERVES. No matter what version, let it be base Darkseid, Soulfire Darkseid, Pre-Crisis Darkseid, ALE Darkseid, or True Form Darkseid. The closest version to outerversal is Soulfire Darkseid and that's if you remove the contradictions. He has jobbed before and lost to Superman or got BFR'd by the New 52 Justice League. The most overrated version of Darkseid, without a SHADOW. OF. A. DOUBT. IS Anti-Life Equation Darkseid. The guy isn't outerversal, give him a break and stop ruining him for people who actually enjoy the character.
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4. Mandrakk / Cosmic Armor Superman - I've seen people write entire wiki threads, documents, and even essays on why Mandrakk is the most powerful villain, even more powerful than other villains like Empty Hand or GEB and above archangels such as Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, Elaine Belloc as well as their creator and "God" or the Presence. Then they say the only characters who can beat him are CAS, the Over-Monitor, and the Writer due to their plot manipulation. Cosmic Armor Superman's most overrated attribute is his plot manipulation. No matter how much you want it, they aren't beating the Presence or the Endless.
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5. Superman - Irrelevent Speed. Outerversal Hax. Infinite Potential and Attack Potency. Superman doesn't have limitless power, he has limits. Deal with it. This isn't Death Battle. Be better than them, saying he can beat any villain in his way. He can't. He's died before, *ahem* Doomsday and he's lost to a bunch of characters like Darkseid, Azmao, Brainiac or Despero....
First of nobody thinks batman with prep beats lucifer he can barely beat the Avengers maximum with prep it's a meme Also he Cant be shot and stabbed because 1 he has a bulletproof suit and he has survived stabs multiple times he Fought with Broken bones and still won he has been shot been stabbed with a knife and multiple other things then joker stabbed in his arm with a sword and Harley knocked him down with a hamer 30 seconds later he stands up and continues the fight he is Actually building level by scaling to bane and killer croc he would beat cap kylo ren and moon knight
I've seen people say he can beat them, plus, Batman can still be shot or stabbed with a bulletproof suit because there are things called "armor-piercing" bullets, not to mention he's been shot by people like Deadshot. It doesn't matter what happened, but take all of it away and he's a human. If you stab him in the right place, you can put him down.
6. Rune King Thor - Overrated by a few people. For one, he did NOT beat the Beyonders. Even if he did, that doesn't make him omnipotent. It doesn't put him on the same tier as TOAA. The-One-Above-All is infinitely above the Beyonders, the HoTu, and the Living Tribunal so it wouldn't matter even a bit. The max you can get RK Thor is hyperversal and even that's such a big highball. He's on Celestial / Abstract tier at the most. Where that personally scales, not up to me.
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7. HoM Scarlet Witch - I don't personally see Scarlet Witch **** outside of this website but if I did, it's mostly with HoM Scarlet Witch. She didn't warp the Marvel omniverse, she doesn't have irrelevant speed, and she isn't above the Beyonder, the Chaos King, or even the Infinity Gauntlet. She has human durability and the best she can do is put up those force-fields which can tank multiversal attacks, not infinite-dimensional attacks and that's before she gets blitzed. Wanda in this form is like Eternity tier if that. Sorry not sorry.
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8. Regulator Thanos - Uhhhh, most annoying character to debate on this list no contest. People...I can't even like. The only thing that stops him from taking number one or two is the fact that Batman and Goku have been around for longer and have more fanboys. I love Thanos, but with Starlin's BS, I can't handle Marvel at this point. Stan Lee's death really did mess everything up which is probably the reason Starlin upchucked his pencil all over Marvel's poor cosmology.
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9. Doomsday - Okay, this guy is known for killing Superman. He's got to be extremely powerful, but oh poor children, he is not above a Darkseid avatar let alone True Form Darkseid. He isn't soloing the Justice League or the Avengers, let alone the Celestial Race or all the emotional embodiment like Parallax or Ion. He was amped in Hunter Prey and one author statement from a random author doesn't and can't contradict future feats that could have retconned the past events. Even then, it was confirmed somewhere, can't exactly remember where, that Doomsday beat an essence of Darkseid which was weaker than even an avatar...
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10. Lobo - No. He is not outerversal. Not in attack potency, not in hax, not in destructive capability. He beat Santa. That Santa was simply trolling Darkseid with coal. That doesn't mean he's above Darkseid, and even if he is, he's not above True Form Darkseid, but let's assume for a second he is...it was later contradicted that Lobo couldn't even harm a Darkseid avatar without hurting himself in the process. Next up, healing factors in general are overrated. I get it, Lobo has one of the most OP healing factors in comics, but that doesn't mean he can't be hurt. It doesn't mean he can't be KO'd or BFR'd, have his soul destroyed or be erased completely out of existence by something like the Ultimate Nullifier.
Who else other than me thinks that Rune King Thor defeated Beyonders? And if he is above the beings who killed the Living Tribunal, why would he not be equal to The One Above All? Living Tribunal < Beyonders < The One Above All = Rune King Thor.
Because 1: there's a plethora of characters stronger than the Living Tribunal like Protege, Scathan, King Thanos, and The First Fierment just to name a few so killing Beyonders won't put you on TOAA level. 2: Loki just SPECULATED that they were Beyonders, if I speculated that a weird light in the sky was a UFO is it now a UFO? 3: TWSAIS are Celestials which was literally stated in the comic Thor volume 1 #85 in the second to last page of it.
#1) Okay? Living Tribunal < Protege = Scathan = King Thanos = The First Firmament = Beyonders < The One Above All = Rune King Thor. My argument still holds true.
#2) Yes, and Loki's speculation was confirmed true when Those Who Sit Above In Shadow said verbatim what the Beyonder said in 'Marvel Super Heroes: Secret Wars #1'. So your point is... what, exactly?
#3) Nowhere do I see on the second to last page of 'Thor Volume 2 #85' it saying Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are Celestials. Could you help me find it?
1: why are Beyonders above all those characters who are above the Living Tribunal? If anything they should be equal to the Beyonders because they're above TLT just like they are.
2: so by that logic if I say a sacred quote am I now a god? HeHeHe I quote Paramore all the time guess who's now Hayley? Also if they were Beyonders then why did they need to feed off the Ragnorok cycle to survive?
#2) Not only would you not have any feats impressive enough to make that a plausible possibility, but Those Who Sit Above In Shadow also weren't repeating a quote. They were just telling Loki, I believe, what exactly they could do.
#3) The definition of 'Celestial' is, "positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy" and "belonging or relating to heaven." So yes, Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are Beyonders who exist in outer space/heaven.
1: let me guess, you think the Beyonders are omnipotent? Even though Starbrand killed one of them and Doom harnessed the power of ALL of them and even with that he was harmed by the Infinity Gauntlet.
2: you mean like how TWSAIS' only feat is creating the Asgardian realms? Literally multiversal threat could do that. Then why wouldn't they just tell Loki who they were rather than leaving a riddle? And you still haven't answered my question of why beyonders would need to feed off of a cycle if they're omnipotent? Do you even know what omnipotence is?
3: I find it a little funny that the writer chose to call them "Celestial beings" when 1: Odin's already proven to be unable to stop the Celestials in Thor #300 just like he's powerless to stop TWSAIS. And 2: Marvel already has a race called the Celestials which have appeared in Thor's comics so Thor fans even those who only read his comics must have knowledge of them. Remember millions of dollars go into these comics each year, I don't think this is coincidental nameing because If they wanted to then they could have called them "astural beings" or "cosmic beings" to get the same point across but no they chose Celestial beings. Also I'd like to show you other statements for TWSAIS: 1: in X-men Alpha Flight #2 they are stated to be "to Asgardians what Asgardians are to us" putting them on Celestial tier because Asgardians or a finite number of times above us while Beyonders are more than infinity above Asgardians. I have a question for you: if Loki Agents of Asgard is Post Ragnorok then why are TWSAIS still alive after supposedly being killed by Thor in Thor #85? I'm bringing this up because it implies that King Thor didn't kill TWSAIS rather he only destroyed Yggdrasil which would only be multiversal+ not omnipotent. Also wasn't Thor forced into the Thorsleep in that issue? If he did then how the heck is he omnipotent?
#1) What? What does that have to do with anything? You are way off.
#2) Yes, exactly like that. Again, they weren't leaving a riddle or quoting the Beyonder or anything, they we simply telling Loki what they could do. Well it is kind of hard to answer your question when you edited it into your comment after I already clicked on your comment to respond to it. And I never said Those Who Sit Above In Shadow/Beyonders are omnipotent, so I don't know why you are asking that question.
#3) Mere assumptions won't help your cause in this conversation, so I suggest you find a better argument. As for the statement in 'X-Men Alpha Fight #2', why do they have to be Celestials? Why can't they be Beyonders, or Cosmic Beings, or Demons, or Skyfathers, etc.? And you are only assuming Beyonders are infinitely above Asgardians, which greatly reduces the legitimacy of your argument. As for your question, because Rune King Thor destroyed their connection to the Cycle of Ragnarok, which in the end killed them. What is this "Thorsleep" that you speak of? Because I have no recollection of such a thing. And how would sleeping negate the possibility of someone being Omnipotent? Lastly, I want to address something. You said, "...he only destroyed Yggdrasil which would only be multiversal+ not omnipotent." Would destroying a Multiverse not make you Omnipotent?
@SirSpidey There are a LOT of people that think RK Thor killed the Beyonders. They don't think he's truly omnipotent or equal to someone like TOAA or the Presence, but they do think he's above the Living Tribunal and the Beyonders.
Also, copying what the Beyonder said doesn't make you the Beyonder. Even so, the Beyonder isn't the same thing as the BeyonderS also known as the Ivory Kings. He is VASTLY more powerful than them and you also forgot beings like Oblivion, HoTu Thanos, Regulator Thanos, and the Fulcrum who all are between someone like the Beyonders and TOAA himself.
1: okay, I've realized my mistake. By your logic the Fallen One Silver Surfer is omnipotent because he was bodying two Thanos' one of them being King Thanos who's above TLT and the other bring 616 Thanos who prior lost his powers and used the Quarry of Creation to regain them so he might have been stronger than before which is heavily implied and with his newfound power he bodied King Thanos and called him pathetic so are both Quarry of Creation Thanos and the Fallen One equal to TOAA? Protege has absorbed the power of the Living Tribunal and Cosmic Cube Beyonder and despite that Scathan still proved to be superior to all that so is he equal to TOAA? And you remember Quarry of Creation Thanos who bodied King Thanos? He was stalemated by Thane who wielded the Phoenix Force so is Phoenix Force Thane also equal to TOAA?
2: so I guess I proved they aren't Beyonders because they don't have any feats to put them on that level just like how I don't have any feats to put me on God tier? I want to put emphasis on how are you said "...I believe, what exactly they could do" because I'm pretty sure that your beliefs don't mean much in this little argument.
3: Beyonders are not the only beings infinitely above the Asgardians Celestial, Fully Fed Galactus, abstracts, Oblivion, TLT, etc all come to mind. Yes they could be Celestials or Skyfathers but again if they were Beyonders then why did they have to feed off the Ragnorok cycle to survive? I never said Beyonders the only ones infinitely above Asgardians but they are factually infinitely above Asgardians just like a plethora of other characters are for a simple reason: Ivory Kings > Living Tribunal >>> >>> >>> abstract entities >>> infinity >>> Asgard. This Thorsleep https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0120de7fbc08e1f40720b0fec07e8dde needing to sleep would be a limitation which would mean no omnipotence because omnipotence has no limits. Either he went into a Thorsleep or he died, in mythology death was often described like a sleep and if Thor died that would also mean he's not omnipotent. Lol you actually think destroying a multiverse would make you omnipotent? By that logic Darkseid is omnipotent _Final Crisis #5, Galactus is omnipotent _Thor Annual 2011, Surtur is omnipotent _Journey Into Mystery (2011) #642 and to that extent Odin is also omnipotent _Thor (2011) #21, Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is omnipotent _Marvel the End #6, the Anti Monitor is omnipotent _Crisis on Infinite Earths #12, Pre Retcon Beyonder (the same one who Dr Doom outsmarted and Molecule Man stalemated) is omnipotent http://imgur.com/F4KYtNF. And so on and do fourth.
#2) I mean, they created their own Multiverse. So yes, they have feats impressive enough for the argument to be made that they are Beyonders. And why would you quote a part of my comment that appeals to your own twisted narrative? If you are going to quote me, at least quote the entire sentence of the part you want to quote. If you would have done as much, you would understand that I was meaning to say that I believe it was Loki who Those Who Sit Above In Shadow were talking to. So yes, my belief really doesn't matter because the person that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow were talking to is not essential to the integrity of my argument.
#3) Again, you are merely assuming that Celestials, Galactus, Abstract Beings, the Living Tribunal, etc. are infinitely above Asgardians. Get a better argument. Why does Galactus have to feed on Planets to survive? Again, that is a very weak argument. "Ivory Kings > Living Tribunal >>> >>> >>> abstract entities >>> infinity >>> Asgard." Prove this. Where in that scan does it talk about a "Thorsleep" and "needing to sleep?" Why are you trying to compare the Norse Mythology with Marvel Comic's Thor? Do you realize how much the two fictions contrast? As for 'Final Crisis #5', not only is that not canon, but taking over the Earth is not the same thing as destroying a Multiverse. As for "Thor Annual 2011", I don't even know what comic you are trying to refer to. As for 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #642', Surtur clearly is not because Thor killed him with the Shadow Blade and Surtur's fire was stopped in 'The Mighty Thor Volume 1 #21'. As for 'The Mighty Thor Volume 1 #21', how? the fire was only sent to Asgard-Space with Odin. As for 'Marvel: The End Volume 1 #6', the most impressive thing Thanos did in that comic was defeat the Living Tribunal, which does not scale to Omnipotence considering there is no evidence that he is more powerful than the Beyonders. Other than that, he did not destroy a Multiverse. All he did was destroy a Universe and all the beings inside of it. As for 'Crisis on Infinite Earths Volume 1 #12', too bad that isn't canon. As for the Beyonder, too bad that isn't canon as well.
1: well the logic I thought you were using was this: A character killed the Living Tribunal and B character is stronger than A character so B character must be omnipotent. Is their any misunderstanding between us on this point?
2: okay, how do you know they were telling Loki who they were? If they were then why didn't they just say they were Beyonders? Again just because they said that quote doesn't automatically make them Beyonders.
3: okay, another argument I have is that TWSAIS are Elder Gods (like Geia) as they were stated to be "gods of old" through the comic almost like they're Elder Gods. That's not a fair comparison, Galactus has to feed because that's his role in the cosmic pantheon meanwhile Beyonders shouldn't need to feed off of anything just like how most cosmic beings don't need to eat. If Thor wasn't either dead or in a Thorsleep then what was he doing here https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0120de7fbc08e1f40720b0fec07e8dde he talks about sleeping "the slumber of the gods" so I ask you: what happened to him there? "Final Crisis and COIE are not canon" uh, idk https://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/ how is Final Crisis not canon to Post Crisis continuity? Just because it was rebooted with the New 52 doesn't mean it's not canon to Post Crisis. Oh did you forget how in Final Crisis Darkseid was destroying the multiverse just by falling? That was in a weakened state imagine what full power Darksied could do. I was referring to this comic https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Mighty-Thor-2011/Annual?id=31369 but sUrTuR hAd tHe aBiLiTy tO dEsTrOy a mUltIVeRsE aNd oDiN cOnTaInEd aNd nUlIfIeD tHaT fIrE pUtTiNg hIm oN tHe sAmE lEvEl aS a MuLtIVeRsE dEsTrOyEr aNd tHeReFoRe oMnIpOtEnT. No, Thanos also absorbed everything (implying he destroyed a multiverse) until he Death and Adam Warlock were the last beings in existence then decided to recreate everything. And do you have any proof that the Heart of the Universe only destroyed a single universe?
1. Batman - People really think he stands a chance against 616 Cap...
2. Superman - Outerversal Supeeman has been a trend mhyt these days
3. Uxas - shares the same reason with Kal El
4. Rune King Thor - He isn't as powerful as people (ESPECIALLY who don't read comics) think he is.
5. Wanda - Her name is enough on this site
6. Sentry - "Sentry solos all forms of Thor"
7. The Batman Who Laughs - "Solos all monitors"
Batman is underrated he would beat cap and he is on his level Cap is more overrated Wanda and Darkseid are also underrated People who don't read them call them overrated
Well, as annoying as the argument is I think it's true, at least being realistic. Some people think bats can beat Galactus with 5 hours of prep. Yeah...no. The dude is a paranoid wreck. He plans for everything. Even though I think bats is a great hero, his prep time should be downplayed. It helps, but he isn't doing jack to someone who eats worlds for breakfast in 5 hours.
Does this include just any clown who knows nothing or of people who are actually at somewhat into comics? I see a lot of goofballs claiming Captain America is stronger and would defeat Wonder Woman, so Captain America comes to mind. However, these guys obviously don't know what they're talking about. I'm not sure I'd put much weight into those types of ridiculous claims.
Because Batman with prep time is a meme where people make fun of how a slightly inhasted human can kick the Spectre and consistently hold his own against the likes of Wonder Woman and Superman, without looking at the circumstances of how he beat them. why do you think he's not a meme?
It's a meme because of how unrealistic it is for him to be able to beat up Superman and Wonder Woman as well as kick the Spectre when you don't look at the context involved like most casual fans do.
I honestly think Superman in my opinion, a lot times whenever I read a story involving Superman or watch any movies, the character is so bland and I feel like he doesn't represent everything we should aspire to be like he is marketed.
Nobody is hating on him, we just understand that he's nowhere near as strong as people think he is and he gets clapped by a multitude of people. Especially this one guy, his name starts with a T... oh yeah, THOR.
Fox Silver Surfer is annoying god of No Limit Fallacy with practically zero impressive reaction speed or even some serious combat feats or combo attacks
Jesus forgot about MCU Thanos and Scarlet Witch. Nobody beats him in brute strenght ( even palnetary lvl guys like Smallville Superman, CW Supergirl or Reign or Reeve Superman ), has universe lvl durability because of surviving from snap ( even S11 Smallville Superman couldn't survive this ), immune to all telepaths (even such gods like Fox David Haller, Professor x, Emma Frost or Jason Stryker or CW Gorilla Grodd, M'yrnn J'onxx, Martian Manhunter or Psi ), nobody can blitz him and above omniversal Stormbreaker.
MCU Wnada is universe buster because smashed mind gem and nearlt teared apart omniversal+ Thanos
MCU Dr Strange can turn anything from distance into butterflies or has out of nowhere authoshields, jottasecond reaction time ( even CW Speedsters or kryptonians or dceu kryptonians cannot blitz him and promtlier he would blitz them of eye of agamotto ) or telepathy ( astral projection is no tp ) even greater than Fox Xavier or CW Martian or Smallville Martian
Live action:
1. The Doomsday Above All
2. Statue hax force Superman. Most unbeatable guy in DCEU
3. Low galaxy lvl Thor with omniversal Stormbreaker one shoting anything what is omnipotent with attosecond reaction speed
4. Incapition goddess Diana
5. One shoting anyhing, immortal skyfather lvl Hela
6. Featlessmammu
7. Coming back in time and destroying anyone Barry Allen
8. Allgranpa Odin
9. Living tribunal lvl Dark Phoenix
10. Russoforce Captain America
11. allmighty with preperation batflack
12. Divine Arrowpotence Oliver Queen
2. Thor
1. Superman
2. Wanda (She is one of my favourite Marvel characters, but I have to admit that she is overrated)
3. Silver Surfer
4. Galactus
5. Thanos
6. Darkseid
7. Base Hulk
8. Base Superman (hE iS oUtErVeRsAl)
9. Sentry
10. Batman with prep or Captain America
Batman
Batman Who Laughs
Darkseid
Superman
Deadpool
Taskmaster
Dr Manhattan
Silver Surfer
Flash
Deadpool: People think he's unbeatable because he can't die and regenerates really fast, despite being incapacitated by far weaker opponents such as Hawkeye or Daredevil.
Taskmaster: People think that he can't lose H2H because he can mimic fighting styles even though he's been beaten by Spider-man a couple times, Captain America even when he was prepared and Deadpool. His fighting prowess is kind of overestimated.
You overrating Batman doesn't suddenly mean everyone else must underrate him.
Still ur voting for cap ,
That question i shouldn't have to reply rather dc should have explain it
#2: Prove it.
The only one I see that supported Batman's side are @Wolfdragon123, @IfailedNNN, and @jongensoden. That's all I see who support Batman on this site.
I believe Superman is the greatest hero to ever exist and Batman is second. What I said about Thor is in terms of how he's seen in the comics in that he's a god among men.
but hey, he has nanotech now, so he should be able to do anything right!
(I can accept some guy that can manipulate one of the main forces of the universe, but I just cannot bend reality enough to accept Iron Man! )
Angry hulk can defeat any one oh fwk
He can never stand chance against superman.
No one ever says he can beat anyone though. Only the Hulk haters assume that.
Superman struggled to hold a black hole the size of speck of dust. Hulk did this;
Yss I did to clinit yaa i will always do to him
My grammar suck ignore it
2 immortal hulk
3 space punisher hulk
4 Superman prime one million
5 living Tribunal
emptyhand
scarlet witch
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2. Goku - Most people understand me on this. Attack Potency =/ Destructive Capability. Goku isn't destroying the universes with punches or the multiverse with a Kamehameha. He stops focusing and he lets his guard down, a well-thrown rock or a laser can put him down. My point is...Goku is overrated.
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3. Darkseid - THIS GUY IS SO OVERRATED IT GETS ON MY NERVES. No matter what version, let it be base Darkseid, Soulfire Darkseid, Pre-Crisis Darkseid, ALE Darkseid, or True Form Darkseid. The closest version to outerversal is Soulfire Darkseid and that's if you remove the contradictions. He has jobbed before and lost to Superman or got BFR'd by the New 52 Justice League. The most overrated version of Darkseid, without a SHADOW. OF. A. DOUBT. IS Anti-Life Equation Darkseid. The guy isn't outerversal, give him a break and stop ruining him for people who actually enjoy the character.
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4. Mandrakk / Cosmic Armor Superman - I've seen people write entire wiki threads, documents, and even essays on why Mandrakk is the most powerful villain, even more powerful than other villains like Empty Hand or GEB and above archangels such as Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, Elaine Belloc as well as their creator and "God" or the Presence. Then they say the only characters who can beat him are CAS, the Over-Monitor, and the Writer due to their plot manipulation. Cosmic Armor Superman's most overrated attribute is his plot manipulation. No matter how much you want it, they aren't beating the Presence or the Endless.
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5. Superman - Irrelevent Speed. Outerversal Hax. Infinite Potential and Attack Potency. Superman doesn't have limitless power, he has limits. Deal with it. This isn't Death Battle. Be better than them, saying he can beat any villain in his way. He can't. He's died before, *ahem* Doomsday and he's lost to a bunch of characters like Darkseid, Azmao, Brainiac or Despero....
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7. HoM Scarlet Witch - I don't personally see Scarlet Witch **** outside of this website but if I did, it's mostly with HoM Scarlet Witch. She didn't warp the Marvel omniverse, she doesn't have irrelevant speed, and she isn't above the Beyonder, the Chaos King, or even the Infinity Gauntlet. She has human durability and the best she can do is put up those force-fields which can tank multiversal attacks, not infinite-dimensional attacks and that's before she gets blitzed. Wanda in this form is like Eternity tier if that. Sorry not sorry.
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8. Regulator Thanos - Uhhhh, most annoying character to debate on this list no contest. People...I can't even like. The only thing that stops him from taking number one or two is the fact that Batman and Goku have been around for longer and have more fanboys. I love Thanos, but with Starlin's BS, I can't handle Marvel at this point. Stan Lee's death really did mess everything up which is probably the reason Starlin upchucked his pencil all over Marvel's poor cosmology.
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9. Doomsday - Okay, this guy is known for killing Superman. He's got to be extremely powerful, but oh poor children, he is not above a Darkseid avatar let alone True Form Darkseid. He isn't soloing the Justice League or the Avengers, let alone the Celestial Race or all the emotional embodiment like Parallax or Ion. He was amped in Hunter Prey and one author statement from a random author doesn't and can't contradict future feats that could have retconned the past events. Even then, it was confirmed somewhere, can't exactly remember where, that Doomsday beat an essence of Darkseid which was weaker than even an avatar...
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10. Lobo - No. He is not outerversal. Not in attack potency, not in hax, not in destructive capability. He beat Santa. That Santa was simply trolling Darkseid with coal. That doesn't mean he's above Darkseid, and even if he is, he's not above True Form Darkseid, but let's assume for a second he is...it was later contradicted that Lobo couldn't even harm a Darkseid avatar without hurting himself in the process. Next up, healing factors in general are overrated. I get it, Lobo has one of the most OP healing factors in comics, but that doesn't mean he can't be hurt. It doesn't mean he can't be KO'd or BFR'd, have his soul destroyed or be erased completely out of existence by something like the Ultimate Nullifier.
#2) Yes, and Loki's speculation was confirmed true when Those Who Sit Above In Shadow said verbatim what the Beyonder said in 'Marvel Super Heroes: Secret Wars #1'. So your point is... what, exactly?
#3) Nowhere do I see on the second to last page of 'Thor Volume 2 #85' it saying Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are Celestials. Could you help me find it?
2: so by that logic if I say a sacred quote am I now a god? HeHeHe I quote Paramore all the time guess who's now Hayley? Also if they were Beyonders then why did they need to feed off the Ragnorok cycle to survive?
3: oh, they are "CELESTIAL BEINGS" sorry about that. Here's the scan https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fd754d098550810781f4406893c74779 also not how I said "pageS with an S.
#2) Not only would you not have any feats impressive enough to make that a plausible possibility, but Those Who Sit Above In Shadow also weren't repeating a quote. They were just telling Loki, I believe, what exactly they could do.
#3) The definition of 'Celestial' is, "positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy" and "belonging or relating to heaven." So yes, Those Who Sit Above In Shadow are Beyonders who exist in outer space/heaven.
2: you mean like how TWSAIS' only feat is creating the Asgardian realms? Literally multiversal threat could do that. Then why wouldn't they just tell Loki who they were rather than leaving a riddle? And you still haven't answered my question of why beyonders would need to feed off of a cycle if they're omnipotent? Do you even know what omnipotence is?
3: I find it a little funny that the writer chose to call them "Celestial beings" when 1: Odin's already proven to be unable to stop the Celestials in Thor #300 just like he's powerless to stop TWSAIS. And 2: Marvel already has a race called the Celestials which have appeared in Thor's comics so Thor fans even those who only read his comics must have knowledge of them. Remember millions of dollars go into these comics each year, I don't think this is coincidental nameing because If they wanted to then they could have called them "astural beings" or "cosmic beings" to get the same point across but no they chose Celestial beings. Also I'd like to show you other statements for TWSAIS: 1: in X-men Alpha Flight #2 they are stated to be "to Asgardians what Asgardians are to us" putting them on Celestial tier because Asgardians or a finite number of times above us while Beyonders are more than infinity above Asgardians. I have a question for you: if Loki Agents of Asgard is Post Ragnorok then why are TWSAIS still alive after supposedly being killed by Thor in Thor #85? I'm bringing this up because it implies that King Thor didn't kill TWSAIS rather he only destroyed Yggdrasil which would only be multiversal+ not omnipotent. Also wasn't Thor forced into the Thorsleep in that issue? If he did then how the heck is he omnipotent?
#2) Yes, exactly like that. Again, they weren't leaving a riddle or quoting the Beyonder or anything, they we simply telling Loki what they could do. Well it is kind of hard to answer your question when you edited it into your comment after I already clicked on your comment to respond to it. And I never said Those Who Sit Above In Shadow/Beyonders are omnipotent, so I don't know why you are asking that question.
#3) Mere assumptions won't help your cause in this conversation, so I suggest you find a better argument. As for the statement in 'X-Men Alpha Fight #2', why do they have to be Celestials? Why can't they be Beyonders, or Cosmic Beings, or Demons, or Skyfathers, etc.? And you are only assuming Beyonders are infinitely above Asgardians, which greatly reduces the legitimacy of your argument. As for your question, because Rune King Thor destroyed their connection to the Cycle of Ragnarok, which in the end killed them. What is this "Thorsleep" that you speak of? Because I have no recollection of such a thing. And how would sleeping negate the possibility of someone being Omnipotent? Lastly, I want to address something. You said, "...he only destroyed Yggdrasil which would only be multiversal+ not omnipotent." Would destroying a Multiverse not make you Omnipotent?
2: so I guess I proved they aren't Beyonders because they don't have any feats to put them on that level just like how I don't have any feats to put me on God tier? I want to put emphasis on how are you said "...I believe, what exactly they could do" because I'm pretty sure that your beliefs don't mean much in this little argument.
3: Beyonders are not the only beings infinitely above the Asgardians Celestial, Fully Fed Galactus, abstracts, Oblivion, TLT, etc all come to mind. Yes they could be Celestials or Skyfathers but again if they were Beyonders then why did they have to feed off the Ragnorok cycle to survive? I never said Beyonders the only ones infinitely above Asgardians but they are factually infinitely above Asgardians just like a plethora of other characters are for a simple reason: Ivory Kings > Living Tribunal >>> >>> >>> abstract entities >>> infinity >>> Asgard. This Thorsleep https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0120de7fbc08e1f40720b0fec07e8dde needing to sleep would be a limitation which would mean no omnipotence because omnipotence has no limits. Either he went into a Thorsleep or he died, in mythology death was often described like a sleep and if Thor died that would also mean he's not omnipotent. Lol you actually think destroying a multiverse would make you omnipotent? By that logic Darkseid is omnipotent _Final Crisis #5, Galactus is omnipotent _Thor Annual 2011, Surtur is omnipotent _Journey Into Mystery (2011) #642 and to that extent Odin is also omnipotent _Thor (2011) #21, Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is omnipotent _Marvel the End #6, the Anti Monitor is omnipotent _Crisis on Infinite Earths #12, Pre Retcon Beyonder (the same one who Dr Doom outsmarted and Molecule Man stalemated) is omnipotent http://imgur.com/F4KYtNF. And so on and do fourth.
#2) I mean, they created their own Multiverse. So yes, they have feats impressive enough for the argument to be made that they are Beyonders. And why would you quote a part of my comment that appeals to your own twisted narrative? If you are going to quote me, at least quote the entire sentence of the part you want to quote. If you would have done as much, you would understand that I was meaning to say that I believe it was Loki who Those Who Sit Above In Shadow were talking to. So yes, my belief really doesn't matter because the person that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow were talking to is not essential to the integrity of my argument.
#3) Again, you are merely assuming that Celestials, Galactus, Abstract Beings, the Living Tribunal, etc. are infinitely above Asgardians. Get a better argument. Why does Galactus have to feed on Planets to survive? Again, that is a very weak argument. "Ivory Kings > Living Tribunal >>> >>> >>> abstract entities >>> infinity >>> Asgard." Prove this. Where in that scan does it talk about a "Thorsleep" and "needing to sleep?" Why are you trying to compare the Norse Mythology with Marvel Comic's Thor? Do you realize how much the two fictions contrast? As for 'Final Crisis #5', not only is that not canon, but taking over the Earth is not the same thing as destroying a Multiverse. As for "Thor Annual 2011", I don't even know what comic you are trying to refer to. As for 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #642', Surtur clearly is not because Thor killed him with the Shadow Blade and Surtur's fire was stopped in 'The Mighty Thor Volume 1 #21'. As for 'The Mighty Thor Volume 1 #21', how? the fire was only sent to Asgard-Space with Odin. As for 'Marvel: The End Volume 1 #6', the most impressive thing Thanos did in that comic was defeat the Living Tribunal, which does not scale to Omnipotence considering there is no evidence that he is more powerful than the Beyonders. Other than that, he did not destroy a Multiverse. All he did was destroy a Universe and all the beings inside of it. As for 'Crisis on Infinite Earths Volume 1 #12', too bad that isn't canon. As for the Beyonder, too bad that isn't canon as well.
2: okay, how do you know they were telling Loki who they were? If they were then why didn't they just say they were Beyonders? Again just because they said that quote doesn't automatically make them Beyonders.
3: okay, another argument I have is that TWSAIS are Elder Gods (like Geia) as they were stated to be "gods of old" through the comic almost like they're Elder Gods. That's not a fair comparison, Galactus has to feed because that's his role in the cosmic pantheon meanwhile Beyonders shouldn't need to feed off of anything just like how most cosmic beings don't need to eat. If Thor wasn't either dead or in a Thorsleep then what was he doing here https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0120de7fbc08e1f40720b0fec07e8dde he talks about sleeping "the slumber of the gods" so I ask you: what happened to him there? "Final Crisis and COIE are not canon" uh, idk https://comicbook.com/2015/05/01/dc-comics-just-made-their-entire-history-officially-canon/ how is Final Crisis not canon to Post Crisis continuity? Just because it was rebooted with the New 52 doesn't mean it's not canon to Post Crisis. Oh did you forget how in Final Crisis Darkseid was destroying the multiverse just by falling? That was in a weakened state imagine what full power Darksied could do. I was referring to this comic https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Mighty-Thor-2011/Annual?id=31369 but sUrTuR hAd tHe aBiLiTy tO dEsTrOy a mUltIVeRsE aNd oDiN cOnTaInEd aNd nUlIfIeD tHaT fIrE pUtTiNg hIm oN tHe sAmE lEvEl aS a MuLtIVeRsE dEsTrOyEr aNd tHeReFoRe oMnIpOtEnT. No, Thanos also absorbed everything (implying he destroyed a multiverse) until he Death and Adam Warlock were the last beings in existence then decided to recreate everything. And do you have any proof that the Heart of the Universe only destroyed a single universe?
2. Superman - Outerversal Supeeman has been a trend mhyt these days
3. Uxas - shares the same reason with Kal El
4. Rune King Thor - He isn't as powerful as people (ESPECIALLY who don't read comics) think he is.
5. Wanda - Her name is enough on this site
6. Sentry - "Sentry solos all forms of Thor"
7. The Batman Who Laughs - "Solos all monitors"
Omnipotent beings like Michael and Lucifer.
Fan characters.
Scarlet B***h and all her other fanatics.
Oh yeah, and @sora and @Empty:
Captain America movies version.
MCU Wnada is universe buster because smashed mind gem and nearlt teared apart omniversal+ Thanos
MCU Dr Strange can turn anything from distance into butterflies or has out of nowhere authoshields, jottasecond reaction time ( even CW Speedsters or kryptonians or dceu kryptonians cannot blitz him and promtlier he would blitz them of eye of agamotto ) or telepathy ( astral projection is no tp ) even greater than Fox Xavier or CW Martian or Smallville Martian
1. The Doomsday Above All
2. Statue hax force Superman. Most unbeatable guy in DCEU
3. Low galaxy lvl Thor with omniversal Stormbreaker one shoting anything what is omnipotent with attosecond reaction speed
4. Incapition goddess Diana
5. One shoting anyhing, immortal skyfather lvl Hela
6. Featlessmammu
7. Coming back in time and destroying anyone Barry Allen
8. Allgranpa Odin
9. Living tribunal lvl Dark Phoenix
10. Russoforce Captain America
11. allmighty with preperation batflack
12. Divine Arrowpotence Oliver Queen
2. Thor
3. Superman
4. all marvel's superman's rip offs
5. Hulk
6. Harley Quinn
7. Deadpool
8. Anime characters
9. Dante and Kratos