Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?

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Who can Take Down Lucifer Moringstar well let's find out

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Taurus
Taurus 1 mo 13 d
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TOAA >>> CIH > Lucifer
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Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 13 d
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Make your list of weak characters who can defeat Lucifer
Taurus
Taurus 1 mo 13 d
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Thanos
Lucifer (Mortal)
Anyone else I'm forgetting?

Also did this dude seriously just call TOAA weak? lol
Atemporal
Atemporal 1 mo 13 d
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If thanos is weak, imagine hulk then since Thanos> Hulk
Taurus
Taurus 1 mo 13 d
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Imagine CIH and TOAA you mean? Because last time I checked those were the ones you called weak.
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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Trevor :)
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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RKT
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MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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SPH
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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Both of them are Omnipotent Yeah they can
Oblivion
Oblivion 2 mo 15 d
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@Breaker omg so outerversal
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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Truth
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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Yah also Wanda could via her reality warping
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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Sorry who's wanda ?
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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she's omnipotent
Breaker
Breaker 2 mo 15 d
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Ofc
Dilorenzom
Dilorenzom 2 mo 2 d
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Luci would crush him.
Oblivion
Oblivion 2 mo 15 d
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These guys
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LM
LMS 21 d
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Non of these guys is touching Lucifer morningstar not with inferior concept like taikyyo not even an infinite numbers of Reinhardt
Michealdem17
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
It's Taikyoku and these guys are too much for Lucifer.
Oblivion
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Great arguement lmao, i am definetly convienced now 😂😂
LM
LMS 20 d
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Sorry forgot the spelling and yes these guys aren't touching Lucifer first off the source of Lucifer powerful which is the primal monitor/source/presence is who is omnipotent is much more impressive than the hadou God's taikyoku not to mention he is directly responsible for the creation of the DC cosmology which is much more complex more dimensionally powerful and infinite compare to that of daes irae so Lucifer being the direct Creator of a cosmology with metaverses and infinite spatial dimensions witch makes him a metaversal+ level character a feat no hadou God has unless the use of outerverse unqualifiables claims is used that allows characters to make massive leaps in logic and skip multiversity feats and even so most of the arguments from the hadou God's are all beyond concept and NLF upon NLF back to Lucifer he scallels above the endless who have been described as infinite layered creation and destiny contains all of creation within his book a book in Lucifer is capable of burning and even dream has Eldritch aspect of himself who are higher spatial dimensional given there roles and even so the closes thing to the throne will most likely be the source which Lucifer and the endless transcend even the endless are concept but metaversal they are not like taikyoku which are local to DI they are concept that fight back and concept with power dream for example is the embodiment of the concept of dream that can destroy entire realities but can a dies irae dream concept do that no they can't the endless are not creation of the taikyoku system nor are they containment of the throne they most likely surpass the source of those forces and concept so why would the endless taikyoku bound the endless with it's limited creation feats for the hadou God's to win against them it's has not been shown to create concept and construct at the scale of the endless so thinking the hadou God's can beat them because of concept had is just a theory and should be considered an NLF because if so then universal concept had users like ajimu should be able to beat multiversal powerhouses so with that said about the endless and Lucifer being scaled even by dream to be far more powerful than them it's should be pretty clear that the hadou God's are not touching Lucifer not even an army of Reinhardts but my logic may have flaws although I think I am right but if I am wrong with my points please be free to correct me cause I am still learning more about the dies irea characters and even the DC complex suggsverse like cosmology
LM
LMS 20 d
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Please anywhere u see concept had pls note it's concept hax
Oblivion
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Bro your grammar so bad that i can't understand 1st sentence, can anyone translate this?
Omnipotence isn't a thing, Reinhard solos all those fodders via existing, 1 value of taikyoku makes you >>> the throne which transcends the infinite layered singularity which's size corresponds to inner depth of the god's taikyoku, which incules hajun whose taikyoku reaches to infinite levels and forever increasing, taikyoku is the arcetypal source of all cosmology and concepts in shinza,each taikyoku transcends the lower one, Rein has 90.please have more knowladge on grammar and stuff so that we can have a proper debate, i can't understand what you wrote.
LM
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Apologies for the grammar errors even I just it and figured out I made lot of errors so back to the point Lucifer shaped, manipulated,constructed the forces the forces that construct time, space, dimensions, abstract and acasuality on a ridiculously massive scale forces far beyond anything the taikyoku has in cosmic patanature feats he is far beyond the power and feared by infinite dimensional embodying nigh omnipotent beings who are all metaphysical acasuality beings of which he is acredited with shaping them,Lucifer sees time, space, infinity as meaningless,he is acasual he has exist in the void were time, space and casuality and form cannot exist he is nigh Omni lock in embodiment and several characters below him can also be independent of time, space and casuality. Lucifer is outerverse inside a infinite dimensional metaversal complex setting while the hadou God's are outerversal in a multiversal setting and Lucifer's power is derieved or sourced from DC supreme being primal monitor/prescence who is a superior version of the taikyoku and no hadou God come close to the potency of his power.so let say a hadou God like Reinhardt was to fight Lucifer and he throws is spear there is nothing stopping him from no selling it and straight up will warping the taikyoku to be null because by cosmology Lucifer is a metaversal+ level character and the hadou God's multiversal+ or he just uses is infinite transcending will (Lucifer that is ) to mind blink them (hadou God's) like he did to silk man. How is any hadou God going to be able to recover from an existence Erasure from Lucifer whose power is a copy of the presence high-level nighomnipotent manipulation. The scale of Lucifer's power is by feat far beyond anything any hadou God has encountered, they may be extremely powerful but they don't even come close to the endless not to talk of Lucifer. and back to the hadou God's yes they are above the throne an hyper dimensional construct but that can mean any level of dimensions above 3D to 4D and in DC being above hyper dimensions is not that impressive as hyper dimensional means dimensions that are higher than we can naturally observe in our universe so by DC standard they are just basically multiversal nigh Omni locks at best. as for Lucifer he sees concept like time,space, infinity as meaningless heck even the endless are going to manhandle the hadou God's and are not going to be affected by taikyoku forces with it's weak cosmic creation feats compare to them. The hadou God's are outerversal in a finite 24 dimensional setting while Lucifer is outerversal in a much larger setting and if the hadou God's were to be put in DC they would be bound by the primal monitors more massive complex rules of metaphysics far beyond the taikyoku feats since they have never transcended or destroyed infinite levels of metaversal structures like Lucifer can. The hadou God's transcend dimensions in a cosmology far less complex than Lucifer and they seem outerversal in there settings while Lucifer is above several outerversal and hyperversal characters so to say because the taikyoku is responsible for all existence Lucifer will be fodders to them is wrong and insultive to Lucifer because of the concept alone is inferior and is from a weak verse and even if all transfinite taikyoku and hadou God's were to go against him he could just will them out with a thought. The taikyoku biggest feat is the creation of a 24 dimensional hyperspace so thinking it can just replicate any scale that has been seen in DC should demand feat evidence and is basically NLF. Lucifer is more powerful than anything the taikyoku as a concept has done because the presence/primal monitor is the source of all infinite spatial dimensions in DC and the origin of several infinite dimensional transcending characters and Lucifer's will is the exact equal to that aspect of that near omnipotent power and above the concept of infinity as a whole. so while the taikyoku value are defined by infinities of power Lucifer's power is far above that.so while Infinite levels of power are different between fictions in dies irae the infinite power of a hadou God is at best hyperversal when compared to DC and DC has beings that are far beyond that so stating just because of the numbers or values of taikyoku they can against Lucifer or the endless is useless. The only beings killing Lucifer in a straight out reality warping war are umineko characters,and author wanked out love craft and even contrary to what I said no umineko character except featherine is taking him on.
Oblivion
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Are you from comicvine?
>Lucifer shaped, manipulated,constructed the forces the forces that construct time, space, dimensions, abstract and acasuality on a ridiculously massive scale
Throne does the same+ it governs concepts as well, and it has a higher scaling than vertigo's entire cosmology, Reinhard is 90 infinities above it, taikyoku level of 1 can do more impressive things.
>The taikyoku biggest feat is the creation of a 24 dimensional hyperspace
First of all, no, Taikyoku wielder has wayyy more impressive feats, Like Mercurius reaching beyond infinite concepts of reality or Hajun stomping multiple being insanely above High 1A levels,
Also that 24d feat is actually 1A

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616966401344667678/image0.png
Taikyoku--Origin of all things in Onmyoudou (Way of Yin and Yang), concept pointing to the nucleus of the universe.

This is referred to Yin-Yang or Duality, as Taikyoku is sourec of everything.


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616966401969881138/image1.png
To draw power and grasp the knowledge of everything, the source of all phenomena and the origin of all things. To see all and do all. - This includes the infinite concepts constituding the multiverse.

That wouldn't be enough, of course. Fortunately, we more scans regarding the matter.


Here is Yakou talking about the nature of Taikyoku.


Of course, in this World, a near infinite number of Laws exist, it doesn't mean that each one of those can be called Taikyoku

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967148593479701/image0.png

In reality, cutlery carries a Law called "cutting", fire has a Law called "burning". In the case of the Law that exists while underwater, something like pulmonary respiration cannot happen. Such assorted Laws are mere physics.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967172887019530/image0.png

What's important is scale, density. The denomination of the form the Law takes is, by standard, "universe", therefore, getting to become an independent World is Takyoku's definition.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967208559575052/image0.png

It's not difficult talk at all. If the aforementioned Law that exists underwater were to change into Taikyoku, All of Creation's underwater areas would also be changed to comply.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967273264971787/image0.png

My own Law which lets me gain total control of all things in Creation, my own Law that disconnects me from all things in Creation is Taikyoku.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967326155407390/image0.png
This Law is called a Colour, it's decision is a man's thought. What oneself longs for, what oneself would want to become. Such prayers and desires, called Cravings, become the driving force behind the genesis of Taikyoku.



https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616967361152417792/image0.png
Here, we learn that things such as "physics" are merely assorted natural laws. Taikyoku is something else, its scale is simply much greater. If a law among those were to become Taikyoku, all of creation, which is referred to as water, would change to comply with it.


But how big is this "underwater area"? What is the most impressive size that it has shown or implied to encompass? ― I mean, none of these scans displays an infinitely-layered hierarchy or anything remotely close to that, does it? Well let's see.


Masadaverse's most impressive cosmology size was during Mercurius' reign, in which the space surrounding the throne was repeatedly referred to as something so bizarre it was described as "Hyperdimensional".



That place is none other than the Taikyoku Throne. The Nucleus of the Universe, the Center where all phenomena emanated from the existing Law.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616965811864862720/image0.png

Of course that is not the place where one can reach by walking and flying. It is some sort of Hyperdimensional Space, an extreme point that cannot be described by any language.



https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616965811864862721/image1.png
Along with the claims of the throne being Hyperdimensional ( in this context referring to Beyond-dimensional ) we have also seen Yakou Madara displaying his ability to dislocate existing dimensions ― reaching up to 24D ― during his fight with Tenma Ootake.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660873729290534935/660873988138074122/image0.jpg
in addition to that, dimensional manipulation falls under natural phenomena control ― which all originated from Taikyoku itself. So we know that the concept of dimensions (which has shown to reach at least 24), physics, life and death are all under/originated from Taikyoku and that Taikyoku also exists completely outside of it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616989588853882880/kawncept2.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616989456792027147/kawncept1.jpg
Oblivion
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What's next to know is how these "dimensions" work:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616987250823004166/latest.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616987295958040659/latest.png
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Basically, the narrator states that attacks from lower dimension ― no matter how potent ― will not be able to affect the higher one in any manner. Akin to how Soujirou's slash did literally nothing to Tenma Akuro (Of course, the scale is different since this is no mere higher dimensional being he's fighting with, but something else). Furthermore, it was even pointed out that Akuro wasn't "tanky" or "robust", he was simply disconnected from Soujirou, along with the entire world. And thus, I believe it is apt to assume that the dimensions in Masadaverse are indeed higher infinities.
Interestingly, the difference between Soujirou and Akuro was actually called "Phase Difference" which, despite being visibly the same, is a gap much greater in scale compared to Dimensional Difference. This could also be simplified as "Taikyoku vs Non-Taikyoku difference"
So what of it? Why does having 24 higher dimensions grant a verse 1-A rating?
To conclude: That's because their laws being "unlimited expansion/overwrite" applies to simply any-D structures. Taikyoku is a force that allows users to paint over all there is or at least exist above and manipulate all existence, it doesn't matter how many "layers" are piled up. This is essentially showcased by Soujirou's attempt to slash Akuro and Yakou's attempt to block Ootake's attack. Taikyoku is something else.
Heck, it was even stated that no matter how the picture extends itself in potency, it can never harm reality ― this picture includes both 24D barriers and physical slashes, they bear no difference to Taikyoku at all. Another thing to note is that, when new universes are created, they are immediately brought into the Throne's jurisdiction.

Moving on i see you referring Overvoid and presence as "supreme beings" which is wrong, common sense, i am not gonna drill that, anyways 24d debunk renders all of your arguements as irrelevant, dimensions aren't the same in all fiction, i an not even going to talk about ridicolous hax diffrence between Hadou gods and Lucifer, Umineko dudes stomps Lucifer as well
Atemporal
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Lucifer blinks the fodder verse.
Oblivion
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Reinhard accidently steps on that fodder
Atemporal
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Mxy one shot the fodder verse.
Oblivion
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A random skeleton from gladsheimr bulldozes those fodders, regardelss of your comicvine tier downplay.
Atemporal
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Did someone rape you in CV or what? I do not get my CV information, I inform myself on my own, Nasuverse Fanboy, Lucifer one Shot Shinza-Fodder and Nasu-Fodder
Oblivion
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Bro i see you in comicvine 7/24, i just saw you saying Lucifer solos TES pfffft, good thing that was in comicvine, they would debunk you so hard that your career would end otherwise, just because multiple dudes on comicvine wanks Lucifer doesn't makes him that strong, Since when being fan of a certain thing is a bad thing? At least i am an expert of everything i like, unlike you who sees comicvine Lucifer wank signs up to other sites and wanks back with 4 word sentences without having knowladge on the charecter.
Atemporal
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What the fuck are you talking about?
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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TOAA
TOBA
Nyx / Vision (HOI)
Great Evil Beast
Presence
Overvoid
Featherine Augustus Aurora
TLOS
The Writer
Elaine Belloc
Azathoth
Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 15 d
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The Presence would give him some fighting, but it would be erased.
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MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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😂😂
Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 15 d
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"You escaped your function.
That's exactly why i want to know you better."
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 2 mo 15 d
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Wdym
Prion
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Shrek
One above all
Azathoth
Michael Demiurgus
The Presence
The Writer
Regulator Thanos
Elaine Belloc
Batman (with prep)
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 4 mo 1 d
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Hajun
The writer
The creator
The divine presence I/o
Any outer god in cm
The Leviathan of stories
Utu
Enlil
Michael Demiurgos
Any Hadou god
God tiers of TES
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Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 15 d
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Lucifer clears.
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Michealdem17
Michealdem17 2 mo 15 d
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@Atemporal I wish I could agree with you.
Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 15 d
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Stop the hate, Lucifer clears them up just by existing.
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 2 mo 15 d
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@Atemporal I like Lucifer more than everyone I listed except Michael.
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Atemporal
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Lucifer has already humiliated the Presence and imposed his will in the void. Lucifer> Presence> Elaine> Michael
Postscript: You didn't mention Featherine or Elaine.
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 2 mo 15 d
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@Atemporal I didn't mention cause I don't like them and they don't deserve.
Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 15 d
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Elaine > Michael
The truth hurts.
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 2 mo 15 d
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@Atemporal No no no Michael >> Fiction.
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Atemporal
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Michael was being tortured by that Jin En Mok, Elaine never didn't care about her father, she never revived him.
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 2 mo 15 d
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@Atemporal That's why I hate her she was such a brat. She was simping for Lucifer all the time. The ones to be blamed are those stupid writer's. I wish Michael had his own comic.
LM
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Hajun wishes he can beat Lucifer
Michealdem17
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Yeah Hajun wishes and Lucifer dies
pedrofOMAIOR
pedrofOMAIOR 4 mo 1 d
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1- The Chosen One
2- All of Bedlam Spirits
3- The Father Of Mortis
4- Mnggal-Mnggal
5- The Force Priestesses
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HolyJoe
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"No" to all.
pedrofOMAIOR
pedrofOMAIOR 4 mo 1 d
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The Chosen One = Omnipotent
Others = Nigh-Omnipotent
LadyAurora24
LadyAurora24 4 mo 1 d
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1-Outer Gods in cthulu mythos
2- Council05(scpverse)
3-Foundation(scpverse)
4-Dr clefts. Proposal
5-Any witch in umineko(updated cosmology states they are boundless by core nature)
6-presence
7-Thanos(Astral Regulator)
That's how much I got for now but definately more
Also add me on discord Featherine Augustus Aurora#9732
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Guardian_Doge777
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This^
LM
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No witch in umineko that is not feathering is touching Lucifer except feathering and even she isn't beating him
Oblivion
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Humans in umineko has 1A+ powernull, you don't need witches to beat Lucifer.
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Oblivion
Oblivion 2 mo 15 d
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İgnore this @Atemporal
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 11 mo 16 d
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Presence , Leviathan , Elaine
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Dusk_Pikachu
Dusk_Pikachu 8 mo 18 d
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I think Thanos (Regulator) can beat him. And there are 2 Leviathans. One is the Leviathan which Lucifer Morningstar beats and the other is The Leviathan of Stories who beats Lucifer Morningstar.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 8 mo 18 d
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There are infinite leviathans, but only 1 leviathan is LOS, they all scale above Lucifer but LOS especially
Go
Godisthegreatest96 1 y 3 mo 19 d
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Only the ones who were confirmed to be omnipotent can beat him.
Which means: TOAA (not sure about the current one)
The Fulcrum
The Presence
Elaine Belloc
MoM
TGEB
Everyone said Michael would beat him is wrong, Michael never showed the ability to defeat Lucifer, he would be lucky if survives a confrontation with him. As Lucifer said power is nothing without the will.
Atomic_lantern
Atomic_lantern 1 y 4 mo 2 h 46 m
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I know normally rune king Thor would get stomped but what about sir spiders version of rkt could he win?
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 3 mo 30 d
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"Can SirSpidey RKT win"

https://youtu.be/3Yb5P2dgcyU
AkhilPDX
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Marvel:
- TOAA
- The Fulcrum
- Astral Regulator Thanos
- Oblivion
- Pre-Retcon Beyonder
- HOTU Thanos
- The Divine Creator
- The Lords of Shamballah
- Mario
DC:
- The Presence
- Elaine Belloc
- Over-Monitor
- Death of the Endless
- Michael Demiurgos
- The Hand
- Possibly the Retconn corps?
Other:
- Featherine
- Azathoth
- Yog-Sothoth
- POSSIBLY the Man of Miracles
- The Creator
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 1 y 3 mo 29 d
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Possibly even Spectre if backed by the Presence
HolyJoe
HolyJoe 1 y 4 mo 8 h 32 m
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Any of the Cthulhu Outer Gods
Michael Demiurgous
Death of the Endless
The Presence
Possibly, but not likely TOAA.
Possibly, but not likely The Fulcrum.
Possibly, but not very likely Man of Miracles.
Clint_Barton
Clint_Barton 1 y 4 mo 9 h 15 m
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Michael Demiurgus, The Presence, Regulator Thanos. I think no one else in Marvel/DC can.
Atomic_lantern
Atomic_lantern 1 y 4 mo 11 h 34 m
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Regulator thanos,Michael Demiurgous,GEB,the presence,TOAA,Fulcrum,MoM,Azatoth, God(real life God),Over-monitor,current molecule man (still on the fence about that one),Spongebob(with pencil gifted from the writer of spongebob),The writer,EmptyHand,Superman (with plot power),Loki(that one version that has plot manipulation),any cartoon character that can break the fourth wall (like chowder he can speak to the writer and ask him for just about anything),and spectre (with backing of the presence)
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EmptyHand
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No, no, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, no, no..., No, No, No, Stop w*nking plot manip no, NOOO hell no, no ew

So much wrong
Atomic_lantern
Atomic_lantern 1 y 4 mo 11 h 30 m
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Who do you think I should remove?
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 11 h 26 m
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No = They can't beat Lucifer, Yes = They can

Reg Thanos = No
Michael = No
Geb = No
Presence = Yes
TOAA = No
Fulcrum = no
Man of miracles = Hell no
Azathoth = Yes
God = yes
Overvoid = No
Molecule man = f*ck no
SpongeBob = No...
The writer = Lucifer was stated above writers so No
Empty hand = No
Plot Manip superman = hell no
Loki = Ew no 🤢🤢🤢
Cartoon characters that broke the 4th wall = ....4th wall breaks mean nothing.... So no....
Spectre = Ewwww nooo
Atomic_lantern
Atomic_lantern 1 y 4 mo 11 h 14 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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I don't see why regulator thanos can't beat Lucifer,Lucifer and Michael can go both ways this just says who can beat him not win every time without difficulty,isn't GEB equal to the presence who is greater than Lucifer?,TOAA isn't omnipotent but neither is Lucifer so I don't see why he can't beat Lucifer,same thing for fulcrum except he's featless so I can see why you disagree,idk why I put MoM there I forgot he's only 23 dimensional🤦‍♀️,how is Lucifer greater than the overvoid if he dwells in it?,molecule man has pretty good feats but still reasonable why you think he won't win,spongebob could literally do anything with that pencil he could erase Lucifer if he wanted,No matter what you say a comic book character can't be greater than its writer,isn't empty supposed to basically be the reader embodiment so I don't really see Lucifer winning,it's superman there's absolutely no way he can win half of the fights he gets into but he ends up winning regardless because of plot armor,I can still see chowder and other cartoon characters winning cuz they essentially control what goes on in there show,and yeah spectre gets stomped but that's why I said with backing by the presence
Oblivion
Oblivion 1 y 4 mo 10 h 57 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Regulator thanos wins,empty hand oneshots,overvoid can technically crush whole vertigo like an egg,and plot amped superman would win,perhaps god of stories does too
Oblivion
Oblivion 1 y 4 mo 10 h 56 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Lucifer was never above writers,he isnt even omniponent,**** it he isnt even canon
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 y 4 mo 7 h 42 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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@Atomic_lantern Regulator Thanos, TOAA, the Fulcrum, the Writer, GEB, and the Over-Monitor can beat Lucifer.
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 11 h 26 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Dream of the endless and Molecule man can't do anything
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 11 h 25 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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The SOURCE gets oneshotted
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 10 h 55 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Yet Lucifer laughed at the true source and called it irrelevance
LM
LMS 21 d
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
Wtf dream can't not even in his realm the witches can't only feathering can and even then she's not stomping Lucifer. The outergods can't pralaya can't cas and mandrakk can't spectre wishes animal man can't not even in his dream astral regulator can't molecule man dies instantly Oblivion Mario empty hand can't and definitely not dies irae guys with inferior concept like taikyyo
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 17 h 19 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Outer gods - They're a super high extent of 1-A and truly nothing that Lucifer has shown has been truly void tier unlike the outer gods

Hajun - He should view Lucifer as fiction as he views 7 high 1-A gods as less then fiction

Featherine Augustus Aurora - Her plot Manipulation far outways any other character, no being really can contend with her, she stuffed all of fiction into her own verse under her own control, she would deffinetely beat Lucifer.

The True Presence - The presence is the creator of all DC, and the father of Lucifer, it should be obvious how he beats lucifer

Batman Who Laughs (prep time): He begged the overvoid which should sit outside of all Fiction, something Lucifer never truly showed or was capable of doing

Beatrice - Her full potential is beyond Infinite layers into high 1-A, and her power was above the creator realm which is basically the real world

Xenogoku - He has a ton of crazy Metafictional feats, such as coming to the real world and threatening the people from our own reality.

The Hand - he's every DC writer in 1, enough said
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LadyAurora24
LadyAurora24 4 mo 1 d
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But low tier witches like Bernkastel and Lamdadelta also solo him
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 4 mo 1 d
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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well yeah but i didn't bother mentioning them
LM
LMS 21 d
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
No witch in umineko is beating Lucifer morningstar except feathering and even she isn't doing crap to him the outergods also can only hope to stalemate him and definitely not any dies irae character with inferior concept like taikyyo his touching him not even infinite Reinhardt
Breaker
Breaker 1 y 4 mo 19 h 49 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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cosmic spider man
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EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 y 4 mo 17 h 26 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Troll
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BlotskyA
BlotskyA 1 y 4 mo 15 h 47 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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When did DanCo said Franklin beats Lucifer?
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 y 4 mo 15 h 36 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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He never said that.
BlotskyA
BlotskyA 1 y 4 mo 15 h 1 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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Thanks @AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 y 4 mo 7 h 41 m
Who Can Defeat Lucifer Moringstar?
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That's just an assumption Dark_Wing because he never directly said Franklin beats Lucifer.
Jakcj
Jakcj 1 y 4 mo 1 d
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Michael Dem, The Presence,
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BlotskyA
BlotskyA 1 y 4 mo 1 d
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Any other?