than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless.
The One Above All
The One Below All
Cósmic Immortal Hulk
Nyx and Vision HOI
Then and Now HOI
The Pilgrim HOI
Job Burke
Divine Creator
Adam Kadmon and Man-Thing Fused with Staff of Divine Creator
The Fallen Stars
Lords of Shamballa
Maya
Loki God of Stories and Rune King Thor
Those Who Sit Above In Shadow
Fulcrum and Tiamut (Power of Fulcrum)
Thanos (Astral Regulator)
Oblivion (True Form)
Phoenix Force (True Form)
Never Queen
Galactus Fused
Current Beyonders (Ômega)
Current Molecule Man
Shaper of Worlds
The Writer
Presence
The Source (True Form)
Overvoid
Elaine Belloc
Lucifer Mornigstar
Michael Demiurgos
Gabriel Hornblower
Spectre Oversoul
The Great Darkness
Dark Presence
Pralaya (True Form)
Empty Hand
Synnar The Demiurge
Animal Man (Body of God)
God Swamp-Thing
Glory of The First Circle
The Endless (Mother Night, Father Time, Destiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire, Despire, Delirium)
The White Light
The Undoubytleb First
The Goddess of Maniflod
SCP-001
SCP-3812
SCP-2747
The Worm
Scarlet King
Qlipoth
Sefiros
Featherine Augustus Aurora
Maria Ushyorima
The Creator
Akuto Sai
The Law of Identity
Azathoth
Yog-Sothoth
Nyarlathotep
The Ultimate Gods
Godhead
Amaranth
Anu
The Fireman (Twin Peaks)
JUDY (Twin Peaks)
Senorita Dito (Twin Peaks)
God (Unsong)
Jeovah (WoD)
Buddha (WoD)
Bondye (WoD)
The Weaver (WoD)
@ET9 RKT isn't complex multiversal, lol pre retcon beyonder and pre retcon molecule man are fodders, only scale above than 7th cosmos, RKT scale to TWSAIS who are outeversal characters who lives beyond 8th Cosmos and eates Stories and Narratives from House of Ideas
SCP-3812, Lucifer, and empty hand can only defeat him if he are outside the beyond realm, but if he is inside the beyond realm, Nope. only against TOAA and godhead, the three remain in a stalemate.
characters that can defeat beyonder (pre-retcon) when he is outside beyond realm.
1. The presence
2. The One-above-all (marvel)
3. primal monitor (DC Comics)
4. Azathoth and Yog-sothoth (cthulhu mythos)
5. Oblivion true form
7. Hajun
8 Lucifer and Michael
7. Nyx & Vision House Of Ideas
8. The one below all
9. Cosmic Armor Superman
10 Mandrakk.
11. SCP-2747 & SCP-3812
12 Scarlet king
13 Divine creator
14 akuto sai
15 Living tribunal
16 empty hand
and others characters with high outerversal level.
Now The beyonder (Pre-retcon), when he is inside the beyond realm, he is the sum of everything beyond. in short, beyonder is everything outside the marvel verse and without it this realm that is would be void (nothing).keep in mind that Beyond Realm is an ocean, while the Marvel Omniverse is a drop of water next to it. beyonder (pre-retcon) is God of beyond realm and is listed as omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient in that realm.
Which characters can beat beyonder (pre-retcon) when inside the beyond realm. none. only characters who are truly omnipotent like TOAA, TOBA (TOAA Alter Ego.) The Creator (Umineko no Naku Koro ni) Azathoth, (God of Outer Gods) they would leave him in a stalemate and the other characters in the fiction are Microbes to him and crushes them.
1 Toaa
2 Toba
3 Lucifer
4 Michael Demiurgos
5 Cosmic Immortal Hulk
6 Protege
7 Elaine Belloc
8 Azathoth
9 Great Evil Beast
10 The Fulcrum
11 Spectre Oversoul Spectre (Backed By The Presence)
12 Thanos Regulator
13 Featherine
14 Divine Creator
15 Gabriel Hornblower
16 Nyx And Vision House Of Ideas
17 Over Monitor
18 The Writer
19 Nyarlathotep
20 Empty Hand
Listen guys, yes ive talked alot about rune king thor, but you guys should stop taking them serious. Multiverse doesnt exist in real life. There is only one god, who created our knowledge. You guys may think me dumb for believing in god, but no, through your thinking, you will come to the conclusion that god doesnt exist, but reme.ber your knowledge is limited. For example, compare the brain between a human and a cat, a cat and an insect? Are their intellect level same? If so, we would see a cat getting bachelor degree, and an insect becoming scientist. All we know 100 percent is the prophets existed before us. Instead of reading comic book, read quran, and see where you will go. Everyone knows this that the quran isnt created recently. It's been sent through god, through animals bone, skins... If you still dont believe that quran is given by god, listen, there are many scientific facts which were discovered later on recent age. For example, the quran says, every living things are made of water, which was discovered untill like 18th century. Who can be this super intelligent being... who put this scientific fact so accurately? This proves the quran is not man made. So stop taking serious of these fake marvel gods, as made by human beings like us. Try to disapprove me, ill see where you will get to...
This list is super incorrect. WTF? The Chosen One, The Phoenix Force, Cosmic Spider-Man, Adam Warlock, Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, and Spectre have no chance. Living Tribunal is unlikely, Empty Hand is unlikely, GE Doom is unlikely, but you know...those guys are okay, but the first couple people are just...no.
Over-Monitor - A piece of paper isn't touching Beyonder.
Thought Robot - Yeah, no.
The Phoenix Force - Really? Beyonder > LT > PF.
Cosmic Spider-Man - Do you even know who Beyonder is?
Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet - You're out of your mind.
Mandrakk - Not even infinite-dimensional, next.
The Living Tribunal - Did you even read Secret Wars?
Batman with Prep - Get out of here.
Mother of Creation - Only 27th-dimensional, no.
tough robot stomps beyonder
phoenix force wins in a hard battle
warlock with ig wins in a g-hard battle the ig is above beyonder
dark monitor wins to in a hard battle
living tribunal oneshots
Over Monitor, Thought Robot, God Emepror Doom, Phoenix Force, HOTU (at least the current version), Cosmic Spider-Man (lol), Adam Warlock w/ IG, Mandrakk, Spectre, Oblivion and Living Tribunal get one-shotted.
No such thing as a DC "omniverse," try again.
Except it has no feats on Beyonder's level, next.
Nigh-omnipotence is unquantifiable, and Beyonder is "nigh-omnipotent" too, next.
So trolling again, the usual for you.
THEN WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE BEYONDER, THE CHARACTER FROM SECRET WARS?!
Wrong, that joke hasn't been funny for a long ass time.
I didn't say Featherine wouldn't beat Beyonder, the hell? I said the Mother of Creation, also known by her incorrect alias of Man of Miracles.
DUDE WHAT?! Beyonder >>> Multi-Eternity = Infinite-dimensional, do you even know anything about the Marvel cosmic hierarchy?
The word omniverse, the majority of the time, means fiction and reality combined.
Not a feat, and plot manipulation doesn't always equal victory, next.
Irrelevant, Beyonder is superior the Phoenix in power. And you know why? BECAUSE HE FOUGHT THE PHOENIX FORCE AND WON.
Clearly you don't, since YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE SERIES HE APPEARED IN AND ARE UNAWARE OF THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT HE MADE THE LIVING TRIBUNAL HIS *****. If you don't know the character, don't say things about them.
I couldn't care less.
No, BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. HER ACTUAL TITLE IS MOTHER OF EXISTENCE, MAN OF MIRACLES IS AN ALTERNATE AND INCORRECT TITLE. If you read Spawn, you'd be aware of that.
Characters that can definitely beat him:
-TOAA
-Fulcrum
-Elaine Belloc
-Lucifer
-Michael
-All of the Endless
-GEB
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Characters who get one-shoted
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Rune King Thor
Cosmic Armor Superman
Sentry
You are retited @soratoumiga you are annoying fanboy what can only say to others they don't read comics yet you think mister mxy loses against Wanda you think the living tribunal does
Rune King Thor only beat random celestial-like beings, he didn't beat Ivory Kings, therefore he won't even get noticed by the likes of Living Tribunal and Beyonder. Beyonder >>> RKT
How can you say that? One who sit above shadows were treated like some high ranks more like the leaders of beyonder. They were shocked of Rune King thor's power. If they get shocked then where do ivory king stands? Beyonder are beyonder
They are nothing by random celestial beings who have no quanitifiable feats, just hype. Even with hype, they are absolutely nothing compared to the real Beyonders, aka Ivory Kings.
Celestial? Are u dumb?
1. They said the exact same word what beyonder did
2. Loki said that they are beyonder
If they are below ivory kong and so as rune king thor, rkt would put up a long fight but it took only one hit for rkt to defeat 5 beyonder. RKT>>>ivory kings
Probably One Who Sits Above were stronger. They wont be any random beyonder. Even if rune king thor defdeat 5 beyonders so easily, then he can beat ivory kings for sure.
Man of miracles, One above all, The presence, The writer, Empty hand, The great evil beast, The first firmament, Over-monitor, Oblivion, Thanos with HOTU, The fulcrum, Elaine Belloc, can all beat pre-retcon Beyonder
In reality only Lucifer Morningstar , One Above All and John Constantine and Saint of Killers could .
Lucifer and John only can because they could manipulate Beyonder to kill himself as Beyonder is suicidal . One Above All can because he made him and Saint of Killers has two guns that could literally kill God
You see that was clever and funny, memes are suppose to be funny, this is just complete mockery of him, you called him out personally and then had everyone else join in on it, this was a call to arms, making it appealing to preform an act to someone, and that act is called "mud slinging"; insulting or attacking another person in order to harm his reputation or get him metaphorically dirty. That is what you're doing, you are demeaning someone but in doing so you are demeaning yourself. Now if you guys had been clever about it, that would be memeing, but y'all aren't clever is just direct mockery. Memeing is just fun for the sake of fun, what your doing is "fun" for the sake of insulting someone, and you lied too, you said in there that if SirSpidey replied with Rune King Thor, you'd do a face reveal, and he did mention him just now, but you say you won't do it, you never specified where it had to be stated, just that he had to say it, so you lied about your face reveal.
Jeez @Sora Can't even back is claims with a comic issue, absolutely Pathetic. Prove using the comics he's overthinking it. No out of context scans again smh.
@Soulcollector57: It's okay. They all know that they can't beat me in an official debate, so they do this to gain a sense of superiority. Just let them live their fantasies. Let children be children
Sara, why do you argue over the truth? There is no way for pre recton beyonder to defeat rune king thor. Rune king thor is basically after one above all or equal. He defeated 5 beyonder in one hit. One who sits above the shadows are beyonder as they said the exact samd quote what beyonder said.
The One Below All
Cósmic Immortal Hulk
Nyx and Vision HOI
Then and Now HOI
The Pilgrim HOI
Job Burke
Divine Creator
Adam Kadmon and Man-Thing Fused with Staff of Divine Creator
The Fallen Stars
Lords of Shamballa
Maya
Loki God of Stories and Rune King Thor
Those Who Sit Above In Shadow
Fulcrum and Tiamut (Power of Fulcrum)
Thanos (Astral Regulator)
Oblivion (True Form)
Phoenix Force (True Form)
Never Queen
Galactus Fused
Current Beyonders (Ômega)
Current Molecule Man
Shaper of Worlds
The Writer
Presence
The Source (True Form)
Overvoid
Elaine Belloc
Lucifer Mornigstar
Michael Demiurgos
Gabriel Hornblower
Spectre Oversoul
The Great Darkness
Dark Presence
Pralaya (True Form)
Empty Hand
Synnar The Demiurge
Animal Man (Body of God)
God Swamp-Thing
Glory of The First Circle
The Endless (Mother Night, Father Time, Destiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire, Despire, Delirium)
The White Light
The Undoubytleb First
The Goddess of Maniflod
SCP-001
SCP-3812
SCP-2747
The Worm
Scarlet King
Qlipoth
Sefiros
Featherine Augustus Aurora
Maria Ushyorima
The Creator
Akuto Sai
The Law of Identity
Azathoth
Yog-Sothoth
Nyarlathotep
The Ultimate Gods
Godhead
Amaranth
Anu
The Fireman (Twin Peaks)
JUDY (Twin Peaks)
Senorita Dito (Twin Peaks)
God (Unsong)
Jeovah (WoD)
Buddha (WoD)
Bondye (WoD)
The Weaver (WoD)
Presence
Lucifer
Michael
Nyx and vision HOI
Toba
Divine creator
Oblivion
Elaine
Oversoul Spectre
Fulcrum
Dreamer
Man-thing
Pralaya
Never Queen
Great Darkness
Azathoth
SCP-3812
SCP-001
Creator
Yog-sothoth
Featherine
Empty hand
toaa
lucifer
empty hand
the godhead
hoi vision
1. The presence
2. The One-above-all (marvel)
3. primal monitor (DC Comics)
4. Azathoth and Yog-sothoth (cthulhu mythos)
5. Oblivion true form
7. Hajun
8 Lucifer and Michael
7. Nyx & Vision House Of Ideas
8. The one below all
9. Cosmic Armor Superman
10 Mandrakk.
11. SCP-2747 & SCP-3812
12 Scarlet king
13 Divine creator
14 akuto sai
15 Living tribunal
16 empty hand
and others characters with high outerversal level.
Now The beyonder (Pre-retcon), when he is inside the beyond realm, he is the sum of everything beyond. in short, beyonder is everything outside the marvel verse and without it this realm that is would be void (nothing).keep in mind that Beyond Realm is an ocean, while the Marvel Omniverse is a drop of water next to it. beyonder (pre-retcon) is God of beyond realm and is listed as omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient in that realm.
Which characters can beat beyonder (pre-retcon) when inside the beyond realm. none. only characters who are truly omnipotent like TOAA, TOBA (TOAA Alter Ego.) The Creator (Umineko no Naku Koro ni) Azathoth, (God of Outer Gods) they would leave him in a stalemate and the other characters in the fiction are Microbes to him and crushes them.
Morningstar experience requiem oneshots the verse.
2 Toba
3 Lucifer
4 Michael Demiurgos
5 Cosmic Immortal Hulk
6 Protege
7 Elaine Belloc
8 Azathoth
9 Great Evil Beast
10 The Fulcrum
11 Spectre Oversoul Spectre (Backed By The Presence)
12 Thanos Regulator
13 Featherine
14 Divine Creator
15 Gabriel Hornblower
16 Nyx And Vision House Of Ideas
17 Over Monitor
18 The Writer
19 Nyarlathotep
20 Empty Hand
Thought Robot - Yeah, no.
The Phoenix Force - Really? Beyonder > LT > PF.
Cosmic Spider-Man - Do you even know who Beyonder is?
Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet - You're out of your mind.
Mandrakk - Not even infinite-dimensional, next.
The Living Tribunal - Did you even read Secret Wars?
Batman with Prep - Get out of here.
Mother of Creation - Only 27th-dimensional, no.
phoenix force wins in a hard battle
warlock with ig wins in a g-hard battle the ig is above beyonder
dark monitor wins to in a hard battle
living tribunal oneshots
Except it has no feats on Beyonder's level, next.
Nigh-omnipotence is unquantifiable, and Beyonder is "nigh-omnipotent" too, next.
So trolling again, the usual for you.
THEN WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE BEYONDER, THE CHARACTER FROM SECRET WARS?!
Wrong, that joke hasn't been funny for a long ass time.
I didn't say Featherine wouldn't beat Beyonder, the hell? I said the Mother of Creation, also known by her incorrect alias of Man of Miracles.
DUDE WHAT?! Beyonder >>> Multi-Eternity = Infinite-dimensional, do you even know anything about the Marvel cosmic hierarchy?
Not a feat, and plot manipulation doesn't always equal victory, next.
Irrelevant, Beyonder is superior the Phoenix in power. And you know why? BECAUSE HE FOUGHT THE PHOENIX FORCE AND WON.
Clearly you don't, since YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE SERIES HE APPEARED IN AND ARE UNAWARE OF THE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT HE MADE THE LIVING TRIBUNAL HIS *****. If you don't know the character, don't say things about them.
I couldn't care less.
No, BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. HER ACTUAL TITLE IS MOTHER OF EXISTENCE, MAN OF MIRACLES IS AN ALTERNATE AND INCORRECT TITLE. If you read Spawn, you'd be aware of that.
1. One above all
2. Rune King Thor
3. Beyonder
4. The living tribunal
-TOAA
-Fulcrum
-Elaine Belloc
-Lucifer
-Michael
-All of the Endless
-GEB
-
Characters who get one-shoted
-
Rune King Thor
Cosmic Armor Superman
Sentry
1. They said the exact same word what beyonder did
2. Loki said that they are beyonder
If they are below ivory kong and so as rune king thor, rkt would put up a long fight but it took only one hit for rkt to defeat 5 beyonder. RKT>>>ivory kings
Lucifer and John only can because they could manipulate Beyonder to kill himself as Beyonder is suicidal . One Above All can because he made him and Saint of Killers has two guns that could literally kill God
Fuck! Now they won't see face reveal.
TOAA/Fulcrum/(The Writer)
The Presence/Elaine Belloc/Great Evil Beast/(The Overmonitor)
Honorable mention (beyonder would beatdown them)
Thanos/Akhenaten with HOTU
Lucifer+Michael
Death of the endless