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Update: Super Powers

Created by Galactus, 1 mo 6 d ago.

This could be a longer update run, so I thought it was best to create a new topic for it.
It's long overdue to fix the Super Powers. Being it the Scores, descriptions and removing duplicates.

I've already started the updates, and will post updates in this Topic.

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Galactus
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I thought it would be a good idea to have a selection of Benchmark Characters. Those would have different sets of Powers and Stats, ranging from Street Level to Nigh-Omnipotent.
I've made a (personal) collection called Benchmark Characters and added a few characters to it.
Feel free to suggest a few more characters, or make suggestions to swap any already in the Collection. I want them to be as well known as possible, so everyone has at least some idea where those characters belong power-wise.

Also, these characters should be (nearly) finished when it comes to having the right Stats and Powers (and levels). Ones we have finished the list of Benchmark Characters, I will lock them for editing.

The idea is to have a wide range of different type of characters that we can check when Power Scores change, to see if nothing goes overboard.
Last edited: 24 d ago.
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Ezio
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That's a good idea and I suggest along do that for stat bars, we increase the range of the bars. Currently, many characters with less than one percent the strength of Superman are given 100 Strength. Although the physical strength of Hulk or Superman may be too much to set as a benchmark for strength, my personal opinion is that a character should have at least one-tenth the strength of Superman or Hulk to get 100 strength. (If we consider superman lifts 200 Quintillion tons, This large number of characters with 100 strength does not look good at all)
The same goes for speed.
Galactus
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The percentages for the Strength bar are:
25% - 1,000 kg
50% - 400,000 kg
75% - 4,000,000 kg
100% - 1,000,000,000 kg

For Speed;
25% - 45 m/s
50% - 10,000 m/s
75% - 100,000,000 m/s
100% - 1,000,000,000 m/s

The 100% marks are fixed. That's currently the maximum you can enter, so changing that would mean re-editing the Stats for all those characters.
Galactus
Galactus 25 d
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Actually more important is; what can the Powers do?
So, I would like any Editor+ to look at the Power descriptions and edit them when needed. And please remove any mention of specific characters and publisher (with some minor exceptions).
Galactus
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- Super Powers changes has been updated. It now shows all Powers, even the ones that dd not change Score.

If you disagree with the Score, please let me know with an explanation per Power. Don't just post a list with 'these are wrong', or something like that. I can't work with that.
Also, look at the Score in comparison to each other.

You together have more knowledge about the Powers than I do, let make this a community effort to get these Powers as correct as possible.
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Tigerking2020
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@Galactus can we all make sure we don't mess it up, the power score changes are messing up the ordering of where characters should be in terms of power. For Example Game Sonic currently has a higher score than Flash and Silver Surfer has a higher score than Thanos currently because of this.
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Tigerking2020
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Also keep in mind we have new users coming on here and judging our accuracy.
LadyGaladriel1212
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@Tigerking2020 just because someone's score is higher that does not mean they are stronger and sonic has toon force for some reason and his tier should be lowered by one.
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Tigerking2020
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Well my job is to be accurate and determine where someone is in terms of power, that way people can come on her and see us as useful.
LadyGaladriel1212
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@Tigerking2020 okay and... but that does not explain why he has toon force
Ezio
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@Tigerking2020 The score of many of the site's powers was 1 and it is being corrected now. This is to accurate the powers and nothing going to messed up. If you feel that the order of character score you intended is messed up, it's because the edits were messed up. That version of Sonic has tier 8. If his tier is really 8, then his score is correct and usually you cannot compare a tier 8 character with 6 and 7, but if his tier is not 8, then there is no problem in ranking the site's powers, and the problem is with It is edit.
What has bold now, It's that in order to achieve the order that was intended, many characters seem to be overpowered. And now that the scores of many powers are accurate, this is more noticeable.
*The toon force problem is different. Now Bugs Bunny score is 8 million, I don't have a major problem with the powers given to him, but it is bad idea to give him Strength, Speed, Durability, and Power 100 based only on toon force. My suggestion is that these things be shown to toon force users as "immeasurable".
Tigerking2020
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The version of Sonic that is Tier 8 is Archie Pre-Genesis Wave Sonic, Game Sonic is Tier 6 currently.
Tigerking2020
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^Also Bugs has feats that qualify him for strength, durability, speed, and power even without toon force.
Ezio
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@Tigerking2020 6 or 8, Sonic has more power in stat bars too. I dont say his power is accurate but that's not the problem with update power score.
*I completely disagree with you about Bugs Bunny, He is all toon force. Unless you want to talk again about his author version. And what I was saying was about all Toon force users.
Tigerking2020
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I'll give you his strength, speed, and durability feats if you want. Also I wouldn't call him all Toon Force.
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masterking2
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what about that weird game with Solaris
Galactus
Galactus 29 d
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Another point, since it has come to my attention a few times: I will make an option to make Powers exclusive to Publishers (and maybe Verses if that's needed).
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vonKonigsberg
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Awesome idea!
Galactus
Galactus 29 d
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*Help Needed*
We need to edit any description of Powers that mention specific characters, publisher, verses, etc. The description should be 'neutral'.
Editors+ can edit Powers, so feel free to do so.
Thanks in advance.
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Ezio
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I don't understand, Could you explain that with example like this Phoenix Force.
Galactus
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@Ezio Sure. But I'll just do the first part of it...
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The Phoenix Force is one of the most powerful beings [in the Marvel Universe], possessing the unlimited power to create and destroy anything and everything. It has been stated to be an Extinction-Level Threat.

While how the Phoenix Force works is not clear, it seems to amplify existing emotions. As the emotions grow, the host's perspective grows infinite. Individual feelings like joy, grief, and love for another become insignificant. The memory of even incredibly traumatic events fades.
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Like that.
There are a few exceptions where you maybe want to state the Publisher / Verse, but I think that will only be needed to Grand Powers.
You don't have to use the [brackets]. I just wanted to show you can write that sentence without stating the Publisher.
Galactus
Galactus 29 d
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You can also re-write the whole description if you think that's better.
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Galactus
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*Update*
I've gone through all Super Powers and updated the Scores, as far as I can based one the (sometimes vague) description.
Below is a list of all updated Powers, but without the 'Grand' Powers, since I want to go through them one more time.

Most of the Powers that will be removed have some comments on them, so please read those before commenting about it here.
Please leave your thoughts on this update.

Super Powers Score update list
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Tigerking2020
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When do you plan on deleting them? I'd like to read through first and then give my input of which ones should stay.
Galactus
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@Tigerking2020 Not in the next few days/couple of weeks. First step would probably be to set the Score to 0, see how that works. I still have the old Score to revert to if needed.
Tigerking2020
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Don't revert the score just yet, I'm currently reading them.
Tigerking2020
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I disagree with removing the following:
Afterimage Creation
Angel Physiology
Animated Shadow
Animation
Crystal Touch
Cyborgization
Deconstruction
Demon Physiology
Dig
Disarmanent
Disguise Resistance
Divine Powers
Echolocation
Element Control
Enhanced Sight
Gamma Mutant Physiology
Godly Physiology
Grim Reaping
Inorganic Physiology
Interstellar Travel
Molecular Oscillation
Musical Inducement
Omnikinesis
Psionic Powers
Quantum Manipulation
Reactive Power Level
Sage Mode
Shadow Manipulation
Sonar
The Black
The Light Entity
The Melt
Transduality
Truth Manipulation
Vector Manipulation
Wallcrawling
Zombie Physiology
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Galactus
Galactus 29 d
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@Tigerking2020 That's all of them? There's no way you read all of the Powers' comments on why they will be removed/replaced...
Where did I say I will replace the Scores to 0 in the next few minutes... ? Relax.
Tigerking2020
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No that's actually not all of them, there are still some I at least believe should be removed. Sorry to mistake what you said.
vonKonigsberg
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Why is animation being removed? There are plenty of characters that can bring inanimate objects to life.
vcowles77
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I don't agree on Metaphysics and Pataphysics being kept together one should be removed either way. Also Psionic Powers disagree being removed as well.
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Ezio
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Good, I'm looking for removeing duplicate powers for a year and this will be really good update. We can reduce lots of double effect.
Galactus
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@vonKonigsberg Not sure. Can't remember setting Animation to be deleted. Perfectly fine Power. Maybe @Ezio did it?
I've removed it from the delete list.
Ezio
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Description says Thought Projection and we have Projection.
Tigerking2020
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Animation means to bring something inanimate to life.
vonKonigsberg
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Probably just need to change the description to "The power to animate inanimate targets. The user can give life to inanimate objects/matter/energy/concepts, animating them to act/move on their own accord." Or something like that.
JLA1847
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Personally i dont really agree with all the powers that are getting removed but most so id have to mention Afterimage Creation as it does exist as an actual power in a couple series, a good example would be just the regular clone jutsu (Not Shadow Clone) in Naruto which almost every ninja needs to know to become a genin, its not a "real clone" because its made without substance and can only be used for distractions as it dissipates on any contact. There are other series with very similar abilities but i do also think the power would need to have its description rewritten because there is a difference between an artist drawing afterimages to show someone is fast, and someone actually being able to create them through some ability.
Galactus
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*Update*
I still need to do about 10%. Man, this is time-consuming.
I'm done for tonight checking Powers.
Galactus
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*Update*
I've edited up to about 80% of the Powers' scores. Stranded at 'Sleep Manipulation', how typical. Will do the rest tomorrow.
I've mostly skipped the Grand powers. I want to compare them after I've done all the lesser Powers.
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 2 d
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*Update*
I'm at about 2/3rd of all the Powers, at the 'P'.
Enough for today.
Galactus
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We use both the words 'Manipulation' and 'Control' in Power names. I think we should stick to one, or have some rules for what the difference is.
To me 'Control' feels more like also being able to create, where 'Manipulation' does not. That's more for changing the already existing things.

Let me know what you think. Or is there a better word describing Manipulation + Creation?
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MS643262
MS643262 1 mo 2 d
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Manipulation is a better word. Maybe the kinesis powers could also use Manipulation instead?
Galactus
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I need more input from people on this. Please join the discussion.
Ezio
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I think we can use Manipulation and use creation and bending as Aliases.
vonKonigsberg
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I think we should divide elemental powers into Control/Manipulation and Generation powers. Fire Force is a series that demonstrates this deistinction well, as the Second Generation Pyrokinetics can manipulate flames but are unable to generate their own while the Third Generation Pyrokinetics are the exact opposite. It would also help distinguish between characters like Mera who can shape and control water or a character like Squirtle or Shellmon that can generate and launch water attacks with no actual control over the element itself. It may sound pedantic, but I think it's a valid distinction to make.
Galactus
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*Update*
- Updated the scores off all Powers that had a lower score than the Tier minimum. About 100 Powers in total were updated.
I see this as a quick fix and to set a baseline. I will still go through all those Powers and change whatever needs changing.

So, a lot of characters went up in Class, but can go down again.
MS643262
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There's Accelerated Healing and Regeneration. Is it considered the same thing?
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Tigerking2020
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Yeah kind of but Accelerated Healing is a sub-power of Regeneration.
Galactus
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I see it as Acc. Healing can only heal what you still have. And Regeneration is to grow back missing limbs for instance.
Tigerking2020
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Yeah like for example when you get a giant scratch it heals up quickly and if you explode into a pool of blood and then reform yourself back, that would be regeneration.
Galactus
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-Update
I've started updating the Power Scores alphabetically. Everything starting with an 'A' has gone through the first update run. These are not necessarily final yet.
I came accross Arcane Magic and decided to already change the other base Magic powers, also not final yet.

After I've done my first run-through, I'll post all the changes and let you all tell me how wrong I am... 😅

Also some descriptions are missing or are too vague or short. Some have very specific descriptions about certain characters (like Rune Magic, if it's all about Odin and Thor, how did Link end up with this power?)

Plenty of work to be done.
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 5 d
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- Update
@Moderators can see the Power Tiers and Scores pages in their Admin. @Heralds can change the Power Tiers and see the Power scores.
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Galactus
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- A few Powers already got deleted:
-- Arcane Magic (duplicate)
-- Astral Travel (duplicate)
-- Pseudo-Flight (unnecessary)
-- Space Manipulation (duplicate)

Characters that had any of the duplicate Powers were added to the 'original' Power.

All Powers now have a Tier.
I don't think I've mentioned the Power Tiers before, Powers come in six Tiers:

Abilities
Basically everything you can learn. (This is for you, Batman)

Base
Powers with a single effect. Like; flight, invisibility, camouflage.

Minor
Mostly single effect with multiple applications. Like; Duplication, Elasticity.

Major
Can effect multiple areas/levels or high effect singular powers. Like; *kinesis, Time Travel, Immortality

Grand
Wide range of effect powers. Like; Omega Effect, Power Cosmic

Omni
All (real) Omni-powers. Like; Omnipotent, Nigh-Omniscient

Each Power Tier has a minimum Power Score. Powers with a certain Tier should have at least that Score.
At this point I have not set the minimum Score yet.

I've also removed all those diamond question mark characters in the descriptions.

Step 2 will be;
- Check all the Power Scores
- Check the Power descriptions.
Ezio
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Disarmament
Not a superpower
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Galactus
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It is already set as an Ability.