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RajinKabir
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Pre-ragnorok probably not. Superman was shown to be quite powerful and not phased by a lot.
Post-ragnorok possibly but he'd have to get a good few hits in.
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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Tyrannus
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Could you change the picture of the Hulk-buster to an actual comics version and could you also do the same for Robin III?
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
I can't edit popular characters without permission
Tyrannus
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They'd be considered popular? We barely see those characters. Could you request permission instead?
Tyrannus
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What about changing the Old Man Logan picture to the comic version instead of the movie picture?
ThomasMHxDeaf
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Indeed. That's what I like about the Immortal Hulk storyline
ThomasMHxDeaf
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Tyrannus
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Thank you
ThomasMHxDeaf
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Your Welcome
ThorMathews
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Your favorite character Hulk?
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Scott Summers. The greatest hero to ever exist
ThorMathews
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Oh I see
ThorMathews
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I never see you talk about him anywhere
ThorMathews
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And why do you have the lantern as your profile?
Tyrannus
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Because unfortunately we never really see Cyclops included in many battles but Hulk's added almost daily. I have so much to say on Cyclops but there's never the opportunity. I have GL's symbol because he's one of my favourite DC characters and I can relate to him to most. He's who I'd want to be if I had powers.
ThorMathews
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I understand
jongensoden
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Galactus added a notification tab
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One of the greatest news I've heard
RajinKabir
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It's likely. They didn't really emphasise how that boosts his powers but it's probably it would had that happened. Plus it would have been more refined pure energy
RajinKabir
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I think its highly likely. And he did shift a tectonic plate right??
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He did in the newspaper article. This would make him arguably one of the most strongest superheroes in the movies. Getting boosted by the star would make him mkre than planetary level for sure.
RajinKabir
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Yes and one more thing do you think every metal on asguard in MCU is Uru??
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Probably not. It takes a lot of effort and care using Uru and it's most important feature is it's ability to be a conduit to mystical energy like Thor's lightening for example. I'd imagine Odin only reserved the use of Uru for the royal family at their discretion.
RajinKabir
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You read my mind man totally agreed. Thanks
RajinKabir
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But do you think the mother box amped supes in any way?? I don't think so. Cause its main porpose was to bring him back to life right??
And also Do you think Dceu Zod is more powerful than Dceu Steppenwolf??
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Unless I see proof that he was amped by the mother box I'm gonna have to agree that he wasn't.
Zod was shown as very similar to Superman in his abilities apart from lacking experience on using his powers so I'd imagine he'd do just as well against DCEU Steppenwolf as Superman did
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Thanks for telling me that. Now that is interesting. The forgotten one
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Not including nigh-omnipotent beings
1. Doomsday - He can keep augmenting himself until he becomes strong enough in case he wasn't already.
2. Shazam - Has been shown to be consistently as strong of not stronger than Superman. The power of Zeus boosts his other abilities including his strength making him stronger than Hercules himself.
3. Superman - Needs no explanation.
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No worries man. I got your back. Sorry about the late reply.
Alien_X
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No problem.
Dusk_Pikachu
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Dusk_Pikachu
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I thought you'd be wondering about it.
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I voted
RajinKabir
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RajinKabir
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Yeah he only absorbed avatars of each version, not the real deal. In that case he wouldn't be able to absorb multi-eternity/Infinity etc.
I didn't even know we had the power to upload images lol.
RajinKabir
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That's actually a battle where I was on the edge. I don't feel strongly that they would win I just leaned slightly towards them
jongensoden
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1 Batman (You already know my opinion about him
2 Batgirl Barbara ( Barbara Gordon is my favorite Batgirl she has a naivety which I think is a really welcome change considering that other members of the Bat Family and the DC Universe as a whole are generally overly serious. Babs however, is young and naive which makes her character in my opinion, more believable. she is far from arrogant but is not childish either. she is very mature but is often overcome by emotion.
3 Dick Grayson (The original robin very interesting storylines and i like his journey to Nightwing he is positive even after what happened and is a very good person He is the heart and soul of the Bat-Family )
4 Damian wayne ( the actual son of Batman with the most potential of being above Batman altough a bad succeesor he is also very important to Batman because he is his actual son and his relation between his mom and dad)
5 Catwoman ( She makes Batman happy she already stopped being a criminal and there is a difference between her and black cat Catwoman actually loves Batman she wanted to change just for him)
6Clayface ( I liked him joining the batfamily he is one of my favourite villians and it was very interesting see him joining and becoming back bad )
7 Tim Drake ( I like how smart he is and i like his origin and how he found out Batman his identity he also the one we saw the most of as Robin and is in general the best robin
8 Spoiler (Dont know much about her but i like her charachter and her going from villian to robin to Batgirl to Spoiler
9 Alfred ( a father figure to Batman and even his sidekicks)
10 Azrael ( not a good batfamiliy member he is the one who hurt bruce his legacy but good backstory)
11 Huntress ( i think she fits much more in the birds of prey i have not really much to say about her)
12 Jason todd ( You know my opinion about him)
13 (cass just not interesting)
14 Batwoman ( She is a *****)
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jongensoden
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i just did basic members
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Didn't Stephenie become Batgirl after Tim told her to abandon the Spoiler identity?
I know Damian's special because he's Batman's actual son but he's such a brat. So unlikeable.
I never understood why Batman turned a blind eye to Catwoman. She broke the law by becoming a criminal. I know she's changed but why was she given a chance and not your average criminal? The law is the law.
I have neutral feeling to Batwoman however she should have been taken down after killing Clayface.
jongensoden
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Yeah i messed that up she became batgirl after Catwoman is a Thief but she is different because she don't hurt innocents unlike the other thugs and criminals agreed
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Still, she broke the law. The Rouges have a code too but Flash still tries to stop them everytime.
jongensoden
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Question are you active on discord
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I'm trying to be but I am still quite new so don't really know whats going on.
jongensoden
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RajinKabir
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I'm not actually sure what it is
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 1 mo 13 h 35 m
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Original Character. Characters that that you can make well not some copyrighted character but any character that comes in your from mind i guess
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 1 mo 13 h 33 m
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By the way i heard that the smallville superman threw a planet the size of saturn. Did that happen in the tv show or the sequel comics??
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I believe that happened in series 10 or Smallville
RajinKabir
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Not anymore. It was found the beings he defeated were far weaker avatars. No one has that power apart from TOAA who is for all intents and purposes the writer.
RajinKabir
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Sort of. They're so powerful they can create far weaker versions of themselves to be in different places.
RajinKabir
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There are 2 versions that I know of. Jean Grey's version appeared in 1976 Uncanny X-men #101 but I think the one your referring to where she becomes even more OP is in New X-men #150-5 2004. A very dramatic read.
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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I wanted to see how many people had voted on it but accidentally ended up creating it lol. I won't do it again. I'm just so excited about this. This was a really good idea you had. You should do this again.
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InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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ok thanks fine and thanks
TheImaginator
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jongensoden
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I can Change pictures
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Excellent. Can you change Robin III's picture to his iconic red and black costume?
Could you also change the Hulk buster picture to the comic version instead of the MCU one we have instead?
Dark_Wing
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I replied ­čĹç
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I have answered
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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discount bin what are your 3
RajinKabir
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It means the same for DC too. It's when something no longer counts or has a new explanation meaning the old explanation doesn't count anymore. E.g. Spider-man's parents death was changed from just being a freak accident to them actually being murdered because they worked for SHIELD.
It's quite rare in Marvel though. Let me know if you have any other questions
RajinKabir
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To put it simply he's no longer nigh-omnipotent and can be defeated and killed. He is no longer special
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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hey man join my superhero couples tournament form
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The people I would have chosen are gone
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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then just choose someone else your smart you will find some one good
p.s. hurry up
Tyrannus
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Cheers man
jongensoden
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Ok
RajinKabir
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I would say EmptyHand because EmptyHand exists on a far higher plain of existence.
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Really if I'm being absolutely fair neither should win because they're both supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient etc. Someone beating the other defeats the purpose of who they are.
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Ok
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Read it and changed it
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jongensoden
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Deathstroke VS taskmaster
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I hadn't voted on that one yet. I got worried when you said that because I thought I accidentally voted Taskmaster. That would have been embarrassing.
jongensoden
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Just wanted your opinion
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Honestly I feel the same way. I feel like I can relate to you the most. Sure we disagree a lot but at least you still keep things respectful and don't deviate to personal attacks.
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Not anymore
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Your right. I changed my vote
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jongensoden
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Can you Tell blotsky to stop bothering me
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I will
Jakcj
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You look like a good person to debate with. I'll add you on my faves.
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Cheers man. You seem pretty cool too so I'll do the same
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How can he beat TOAA? That's supposed to be as powerful as you get.
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But I've heard since then by Holy_Joe that it was only an avatar of TOAA that was absorbed.
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OK
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How the hell does base doomsday (not even hunter prey doomsday) beat Thanos? haven't I shown you how that's wrong already
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That was the classic Thanos not the modern one
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How?
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I can't remember where they are. I don't have proof anymore
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I haven't forgotten about any of our debates, I'm just taking a break from them since in real life I'm having a slew of bad days one after the other and with you constantly making assumptions you can't prove, misinterpreting major aspects´┐╝ of my favorite character in all of fiction, and accusing me of "spinning stuff around" when all I'm doing is saying what's happing in the comic, etc (I have examples of all of this BTY) just gives me an excuse to take them all out on you but I won't do that because you're my favorite user on the internet in general so I think it's best for both of us for me to put the debate on hold right now. The point is I'm not dead and I will get back to Those debates. Okay? Also I think we should say create a forum or something to keep our debates contained rather than just going to different battles and making different replies to the same stuff.

Also can you give me a link to the battle where we were discussing WM Thor vs Hulk being consistent or not?
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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope things begin to turn around and get better. I have actually been proving your assumptions. There's explaining what's happened and then there's conveniently justifying everything that doesn't go Thor's way. Bare in mind I love Thor too and I've been called a Thor fanboy many times.
I will however try to reduce the accusations I make and sound more polite.
Really appreciate those kind words. know that I feel the same to you. Your a great friend and the world is better with you there.
I agree. We could continue the debate here? We just need to bring all the main topics in one.

I honestly can't remember where that took place. It shouldn''t be too much of a problem as we can restart that topic.
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Do you want to talk about it? I'm a good listerner
Dark_Wing
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I've been putting this reply off for a while but now it's time for it to be done

Thank you. Don't worry about me my friend, the reason I told you that was to explain why I haven't replied to any of those debates for now. I'm referring to examples of me posting a scan of say Thor defeating (insert character name here) and you say he didn't and tell me not to assume.
I can give you plenty of examples of Thor losing and it not being excusable if you need. Want that? I could believe you when you say you know Thor but you have a lot of explaining to do before I believe that tho I want to make it clear that I am open minded here.
Thank you my friend.
I might re open it later but right now let's finish one debate at a time, not ten thousand at a time.

Not really, like I said don't worry about me. It really and I mean really pains me to say this but debates with you are kind of the problem which I can elaborate on if you need. Please note that I said "THE DEBATES" not you, you are pretty much the spark that kept me from raging at everyone.

PS: plz quit claiming that I'm losing debates despite the fact that you've needed to change your argument multiple times each stupider than the one before until now your Obi Wan Kenobi is the opinion of some guy who never wrote Thor, while I haven't needed to change mine once.

Any questions?
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Yeah I will admit all our debates have gotten complicated.

I hear you and know that I will take that constructive criticism very seriously. I always strive to be as respectful and open to explanations as possible. Perhaps I have lost my way since that time. I should probably take a leaf out of your book and take a step back.

I will stop claiming you have lost debates unnecessarily but could you elaborate on how I've changed my arguments making them more stupid. I don't get that part about Obi-Wan and the guy who didn't write Thor.

You have been the bigger man here. I feel as though I am in the wrong. Usually I feel pretty confident about where I stand but I don't feel like I'm in the right in this case.
Dark_Wing
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That's part of the reason I'm not gonna reply in our original debates, the other reason is because I made several key mistakes that i can elaborate on aswell.

You want a list of stuff you've done wrong because I might be able to give. Long story short: you lie, twust facts, exaggerate, deny evidence, ignore how and why things happen, etc, I have examples of all of that ÔČů´ŞĆ

An example of you changing your argument comes in the Thor vs Hulk debate where your original argument was that Thor's "never beaten Hulk" when I slaughtered that argument your second one was that "Hulk will always get stronger" but when I proved that he can be beaten before that happens (and it's been done by people who scale lightyears beneath Thor) then you changed your argument to using a single one shot and claiming it and it's author are a voice for a 60+ year old rivalry. Or how your argument for Hulk Let the Battle Begin being valid started off with you claiming that a Hulk "overpowered him" then when I asked to prove that Thor was fighting back you then changed it to "Thor made a mistake" then when I proved that someone with his level of experience wouldn't have made such a baby's first mistake you turn changed it to Hulk "speed blitzed Thor" and them when I got tired of your bullcrap I then straight up stated the fact that every fight Thor's been in in of itself is a direct rebuttal to that (in fact who Thor is as a character is a direct rebuttal to the actions of that comic) you then claimed Hulk having one wildcard on Thor's enemies makes him so different that I can't compare other fights then you preceded to provide two examples (that were vastly different from the original one) both from runs known for PIS moments and then you claimed it was consistent. That's what I meant, any questions? When I said "your Obi Wan Kenobi is the opinion of an author who's never written for Thor" I meant your only hope was him because I ripped through everything else like Gorr tears through gods.

Thank you again, I don't think I'm entirely in the right either.
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I don't do those things. Tell me when I have.

I still stand by that point. Your assuming I changed it but I didn't. I suppose we can count Hulk Annual 2001 but then that also gives Hulk more wins.
HLTBB isn't the only example of Hulk winning but it is one of the best examples. Just because most of their fights have been inconclusive doesn't mean this one fight that was uninterrupted and had a conclusion is suddenly PIS. You keep going from one extreme to the other. Thor's either a baby or flawless. You didn't say Thor was fighting back you've claimed the opposite that Thor was supposedly "stunned".
You claimed Thor getting hit by his hammer would never happen again. It's happened at least 2 more times since.
You haven't destroyed my only hope. Like I've said there are many other wins too.

None of this is me changing my argument. I've been consistent throughout
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Examples of you flat out denying evidence´┐╝:
1: saying Hulk wasn't getting tired during his fight with Sentry
2: saying Red Hulk wasn't on his knees
3: saying Hulk wasn't scared of Dr Strange
All of those are disproved by the scans I've shown yet you denied them.

Examples of you exaggerating/lying/twisting evidence: I've written a list of you exaggerating before so I won't repeat it.
1: claiming I can't compare Thor's enemies to the Hulk just because Hulk has ONE (and only one) wildcard on them.
2: saying Hulk speed blitzed/overpowered someone you've yet to prove was fighting back and then blaming it on me.
3: saying I used RLL just because you were unable to disprove the fact that thot did not surprise attack Hulk in Hulk Annual 2001.

Oh, and you constantly ignore how your character beats other characters for example you've ignored how Red Hulk beat Thor and claimed he's Mangog level because of it or how you constantly ignore how Obi Wan needed the high ground to beat Anakin, otherwise Obi would have been the limbless and burnt one. How is important because if I had to fight a Spartan and I won only because I walked the path of Indiana Jones AKA shooting him with gun from 30 feet away that doesn't mean I'm a Spartan level martial artist.
Need anything else? This is only what I can come up with off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

I've already explained why Hulk 2001 was fair so get lost with your false equivalents.
Already explained why that isn't the case, I thought you changed your opinion when proven wrong, guess not. I've already explained why it's PIS and it's not because Thor lost it's HOW IT HAPPENED! Not sure how many times I'm going to have to tell you that before you except it. For example Wonder Woman beating the Flash would not be PIS since Diana she's literally better than him in every way including reflexes, but if she only won because she screamed which startled Flash and caused him to trip on his own feet and broke his neck, that would be PIS; same goes for Hulk, if Thor won by shoving Hulk's arm down his throat and making him suffocate that would also be PIS since every fight Hulk's been in is a direct rebuttal to that. I've already ripped apart the claim I keep going to extremes. Long story short, if you let your guard down in the middle of a heated fistfight, then you've just made a baby's first mistake for example a mathematician is not perfect but he´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝ won't randomly be missing 1+1 because he's not perfect, same goes for Thor, he's not perfect because of his experience he wouldn't just let his guard down in the middle of a fistfight just so he can lose in a way that is contradicted by who I'd is in of itself´┐╝´┐╝. Got it? Typos, happens to the best of us. JBS said he was because such a basic move has supposedly never happened to Thor before that's what I was getting at when I said that.

I've already slaughter that claim. Both of those other examples are vastly different from the m main one which I've proven and the fact that you seem to not have the brain capacity to tell said difference´┐╝´┐╝actually makes me worry for you. Beside you can only find three examples´┐╝´┐╝ for a 70 year old character so what makes you think it's consistent?
Then why don't you use the other wins that aren't contradicted by the mere existence of every fight Thor's been in?´┐╝

ÔČć´ŞĆ So i guess we're ignoring this?
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1. I can't remember the circumstances of that conversation. However Hulk wasn't tired because he hulked out seconds later.
2. Which fight?
3. He wasn't.
TBH most of these are open to interpretation so you saying I deny evidence is again a lie.

1. It's the reason Hulk wins so yeah it's a reasonable thing to say. Hulk's destroyed Hercules. By your same logic Hulk clearly destroys Thor too then right.
2. This is obviously HLTBB and it's actually embarrassing that you cannot accept this. I've tried to refrain from saying this but your denial of HLTBB is why your so biased.
3. Don't use those examples then if I'm not allowed to either. Be consistent or don't be a hypocrite.

Really not sure why your bringing up separate debates some of which you weren't even a part of. I didn't ignore Rulk beating Thor I accepted it unlike you. Obi-Wan's tactic was to keep defending until Anakin makes a mistake. If it wasn't the high ground it would have been something else.
False equivalent

I've literally accepted 2001 several times at this point now but it's funny how you can't accept HLTBB which was an even clearer fight. Maybe it's because of bias.
I've yet to be proven wrong. I have proven you wrong though but you still won't accept it. It's only PIS to you because Thor lost. You can try and spin it all you want but fact of the matter is, it was a very fair fight. Everyone got hits on each other, no external interruptions and as a result Hulk rightfully won. Deal with it.
You used such extreme examples compared to the fair fight that was HLTBB.

You keep pretending you've "slaughtered" my claims but you've done no such thing. All I've seen is more bias. Just nit picking because Thor wasn't 100% perfect that day. And what's even more funny is all these false insults your saying to me, would make more sense for me to say them to you but I won't because I won't stoop that low.

Thor lost is Thor #385, Hulk #440, HLTBB, AA (2012), Immortal Hulk #7. We could count Hulk 2001 too because he does beat him down and you like counting temporary wins for Thor so we should do the same for Hulk.
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1: I posted a scan that showed him getting tired and another one of Bruce panting after turning back to his base form and you denied them
2: Red Hulk vs Mangog. Another lie you said there was that I was going to "deny facts" which was your excuse to get out of trying to prove Thor had the Odin Force against Red Hulk and the fact that you claimed that in the first place is a lie in of itself. Two more lies to your list.
3: then how do you explain the look on his face?

1: okay but still one wildcard doesn't make you vastly different from others who don't have that same wildcard. Mjolnir is FAR more than just one wildcard. Also I was referring to how you said because Hulk had one wildcard it makes sense that he could do something that is contradicted by everything Thor has been for 70 whole years while you're trying to powerscale. If you want a comparison like this, we can look at how Namor and Abomination have been able to contend with and even beat Hulk while Thor's effortlessly defeated both with one strike!
2: still not seeing any proof, just more blaming me for your problem. I thought you didn't resort to insults but you just did. I mean look at this does it even look like Thor's trying to resist it? By your logic if I were to lay my arm limp on a table and a 2 year old were to pick it up and move it around with me literally letting it happen then I would have been overpowered by a 2 year old. I've been holding back from saying a bunch of things aswell like this: if you don't have any proof to back up your assumption then get off this site! Your inability to prove your BS is what makes you such a god-awful debater. And you're desperation shows how immature you can be on the internet, pfft claiming I'm in "denial" just for stating a fact that you have no counter for. Is that how you win your debates; defecting blame onto your opponents until they get tired of it and concede? I'm going to say this one more time: either get evidence or get lost!
3: you never gave an example of me using them in the first place, you lied when you said I did.

Actually you said because I posted one scan´┐╝´┐╝ that I was now part of the debate but now you contradict yourself. I did acknowledge it, I also acknowledged that it wasn't as impressive as how Mangog has beaten Thor. ´┐╝´┐╝Weather I was part of the debate or not is irrelevant´┐╝ what is relevant is the fact that you did it. What other thing would it have been? That tactic won't really work that well against someone much faster and stronger than you.´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝ If Obi is so strong then why did Lucas have him need the high ground to win? Couldn't he just win on skill alone or being more powerful?
How was that analogy a "false equivalents" that's another thing you do, you constantly claim different circumstances when you don't have a rebuttal for something´┐╝.

DO YOU HAVE FREAKING BLIND EYES!?!?!? I've already explained why´┐╝ it is literally IN MY LAST COMMENT! So get lost if you don't have a rebuttal/answer to it! That's ANOTHER thing you do, you constantly ignore what you're told in favor of assumptions you can't prove that you only make to make the person you're up against look bad, this is just one of the many examples and this is why I'm striving so hard to not flat out rage at you.´┐╝ Unless you have proof that that's the only reason (which you don't) then leave this site.
´┐╝You've also yet to prove it is. Proof it isn't: 1: it comes from an unreliable narrator so we don't know how much of it actually happened the way it was presented. 2: they said Hulk´┐╝ won because it was a Hulk one shot. 3: it takes place out of time with the main´┐╝ continuity. 4: the author himself said it wouldn't happen again (assuming it happened at all in the first place). 5: the only reason Thor lost was because he gave Hulk time to heal and get stronger and because Thor wasn't prepared for his attack, had he have either kept attacking or have been ready to counter the PIS, Hulk would have been a feast on the Asgardian dinner table. 6: Thor was massively out of character in that comic (most likely thanks to unreliable narrator). ´┐╝Need any other reason for it not to be the best example? Since when did making claims that you can't prove and flat out denying facts like an idiot become "proving me wrong?" Quote exactly how you disapproved anything and stop lying!´┐╝´┐╝
How so or do you just say that because you have no counter to it.
And I love how you don't have ANYTHING even closely resembling a counter to the fact that those examples were different. Again:´┐╝ acknowledging the ´┐╝´┐╝context is NOT´┐╝´┐╝ nitpicking, if you want to ignore context then Thor KO'ed the Phoenix Force which is at LEAST multiversal+ while Hulk was beaten by a Gorilla, a FREAKING GORILLA! Even Nightwing could beat up a Gorilla, harmed by Captain America, harmed by Daredevil, blitzed by Spider-Man, lost to Spidey, lost to Wolverine, etc. Because that is what ignoring context gets you´┐╝´┐╝! I love how you accuse me of bias; do you even know what bias against the Hulk or towards Thor even looks like? Cause I can show you that if you want. Also I thought you said that I talk down to you, yet you're doing the exact same thing!
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Oh, and #385 and Immortal Hulk count as fair wins for Hulk. You still think I only discount HLTBB because "Thor lost?" What makes you think Hulk being on Thor's side then grabbing arm while he's distracted and out of nowhere slamming it into his face or beating him into the ground also while he's distracted "fair?"

You know I'm tempted to just agree to disagree with you since you're impossible to convince about anything and for everything I've said and more.

Edit: plz don't take anything I just said ­čĹć as an insult, look at it as either ´┐╝ criticism or pretend you didn't see it just plz don't take it as an insult cause I don't want to start a fight with my favorite user and I went through multiple rewrites of that comment so I didn't get personal with anything.
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1. Like I said if he was able to Hulk out seconds later so clearly he wasn't. I had a look at the fight again and Hulk looked fine.
2. Red Hulk has never fought Mangog. Someone had told me about Thor having the Odin force which I believed to be true at the time. I hadn't defended that point since because I couldn't find evidence of it afterwards.
3. Didn't look like fear, just surprise.
It's difficult to makes these arguments because they're irrelevant. This all looks like petty reasons for you to accuse me of lying. Literally the only thing I couldn't prove was Thor having the Odin-force but even then it turned out to be a mistake.

1. Actually Hulk's ability is what makes him so unique. You need to stop seeing Hulk as just another dumb thug to be defeated. You need to sallow your pride like Thor did and admit Hulk as someone far better.
2. Saying your biased is not an insult and I'd been holding back. That's nothing compared to the things you've said to me and I've let it slide this whole time. When Thor attacked Hulk moments before I guess that was PIS then because Hulk wasn't fighting back. Funny thing is it's usually biased fans who've lost arguments who just claim PIS anytime anything doesn't go their way.
3. You lie again. You literally used a real life example in that very reply. Another example was when you talked about a boxer hitting each other from behind and Spartans.

Haven't contradicted myself yet and never will. You weren't a part of all of them. I could do the same to all your debates but this is getting petty and I will not fall to your level. Anakin was going to slip up eventually it just happened to be on the high ground.

And I debunked it. But obviously you ignore that. You're literally ignoring me by claiming I ignored you. Read my answer again. I explained why HLTBB is legit. Please stop you bias.

And now the writer's unreliable again because he doesn't support your bias. He was fine when he backed you until I showed you he doesn't. This proves your bias. It's still canon. Where did the writer say it wouldn't happen again? If he's so unreliable then perhaps that means it will happen again (and it has). Those lies just show you really don't know Hulk which explains a lot. Please don't continue until you've gained more knowledge.

Thor's been knocked about by scorpion while Hulk's one-shotted Thor in 1 punch. Your point? Even Miles Morales can beat Scorpion.

AA 2012 isn't fair but I meant if you want to count cheap shots them that counts too.

I've been thinking the same because till this day I still cant understand how you call HLTBB PIS. It's pretty much 90% of this debate. If you want to know my opinion in a nutshell, Thor is more powerful but Hulk is stronger and will win if they were to fight uninterrupted.

I haven't been talking down to you. You just told me to get off this site because I called you biased. That's nothing compared to what you've said to me.
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1: so I guess were going to forget Banner being bruised and panting? Did you know Hulk has the best healing factor in the verse?
2: I meant the battle page for Rulk vs Mangog. Just because someone tells you something doesn't mean it's true, I could tell you Hulk isn't even Captain America level and he only beats heavy hitters because they hold back, doesn't make that true. Unless you have proof you can quit claiming stuff. You said you didn't defend it because I would "deny it."
3: do I need to post the scan again. Not only he looked the part but he backed down and waited for Strange to let his guard down before crushing his hands instead of trying to physically overpower him.´┐╝
Excuse me how are they irrelevant besides you not wanting to admit to what you did? Okay so you acknowledge Thor didn't have the Odin Force against Rulk; do you still think he beats Thor or Mangog if so why?

1: okay but that ability doesn't explain why he can hit Thor repeatedly with his own hammer with no resistance from Thor.
2: I take it as an insult. I only tossed "Insults" when they were well deserved.´┐╝´┐╝ Excuse me how was Hulk ´┐╝"not fighting back" when he THREW A WRECKINGBALL AT HIM THEN CALLED HIM A LADY!?!? Also did Thor grab his own arm and use it against him with him not doing anything about it? Of course not. Are you done with that false equivalent? Jeez your false equivalents are always so different from each other that it's like comparing a water to liquid methane because they're both liquids. Okay if that was true about PIS then what's your proper rebuttal to Hulk being weaker than a gorilla or him losing to Spider-Man besides it being PIS? I'm still perfectly able and willing to write an entire´┐╝ list of Thor losses that are valid so you wanna see that?
3: tell me when you realize the difference between those and the use of real world "LOGIC" on this fictional characters. You're prettymuch desperately grasping at straws because I can name plenty of fictional characters´┐╝ who are boxers (Daredevil's dad, Little Mac, Rocky) and also plenty of characters who are Spartans (Master Chief and Kratos) so get lost. By your logic the TMNT are Ninjas so if I bring him up in my analogies it counts as RLE because Ninjas existed in real life for centuries.

LoL you just did, you said on that page and I quote here: By commenting you have joined the debate" but now you say I wasn't part of it. Which is it? I've already told you that's irrelevant. Go ahead, I dare you. Again you talk down to me. Even if Anakin slips (which he wouldn't) Anakin was still the better fighter of the two and Obi winning because Anakin chose to do a high risk high reward move wouldn't make Obi the more powerful of the two.

Quote exactly how you disproved it. I just looked through the comment again and all I saw addressing the analogy was you claiming those were "different circumstances" but when asked to prove they were, you couldn't. Which is another offense of yours: you always make a claim you can't prove when you don't have a counter for something then insist that you're right. Try looking at the reason I say it is again before you make any claims you disproved anything. How the heck am I "being bias?" Another cop out of yours detected.

Don't put words in my mouth!´┐╝ I said´┐╝ it had an unreliable "IN UNIVERSE NARRATOR!!!" Who is not JBS, it's Bruce Banner trying to recall what happened the day before! You mean like how Spidey beating the Hulk is canon? You still don't get it: if a character wins for plot reasons, then the win doesn't count, this is true for Thor aswell. "Next time Hulk grabs Thor's arm, he's going to be prepared." That's where he said it. I'm still choking on all the words that you're putting in my mouth.´┐╝ I clearly remember disproving those "other examples" What lies? All I see are claims.

In which comic did Thor lose to Scorpion and in which comic did Hulk beat Thor with one punch? At least Scorpion can break out of chains unlike Hulk. Point is don't ignore context and definitely don't say the people who acknowledge the context´┐╝´┐╝ are nitpicking.

I've already explained why that is numerous times yet you dismiss it every single time in favor of unproven claims.

Do you even read your own comments because you just did talk down to me? I only said those when they were well deserved and even then I've retracted some of them.

Edit: you know what? For once I'll allow those examples of me insulting you count as a strike against me because I'm a reasonable person. Fair point on your part their. Okay?

Also I do not think Thor's your least favorite character. I still think you're not as knowledgeable on him as you think but I don't think you hate him like I've been claiming. If I had to guess who your least favorite character is, I'd guess either Batman, Superman, or Dr Strange for reasons I can explain if you want.
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1. It's because of that healing factor that makes those bruises negligible. I didn't see him panting though.
2. I already know this which is why I just told you I stopped defending that point. Your just repeating what I said.
3. That still isn't fear, just surprise. Hulk fears very little and and was extremely motivated as WWH.
It's not relevant because it isn't about Hulk vs Thor. I've destroyed most these points anyway so there's nothing to admit. Thor yes. Mangog no.

1. Because Hulk was stronger at that point.
2. Insults are rarely deserved and are used when losing a debate. And besides how can you think it's OK to send insults to me but you get offended when I call you biased?
Calling someone a lady isn't fighting and I'm talking about as Thor was hitting Hulk. False equivalence, Thor couldn't force Hulk's arm because he's not stronger. Please don't compare gorillas and Spider-man to Hulk and Thor.
3. So your telling me to get lost because I called you out on your hypocrisy. You either accept RLL or you don't.

I said you weren't part of ALL of them but nice try. What's irrelevant and how am I talking down to you? Both of which is ironic coming from you.
Actually if you studied both forms you'd see Djem So was very exhausting if used over a long period of time. Obi-Wan had mastered Soresu which taught users to keep defending until your opponent got frustrated and slipped up. Being described as the master of form III meant he was able to block everything Anakin threw.

I've answered it in this very reply so hopefully you won't ignore it again for the 8th time. You are biased because the 1 battle that showed the fairest win for Hulk, you call PIS. You've also continued to make excuses for Thor. Once or twice sounds reasonable. Every time sounds biased.

I asked you this before whether you doubt what actually happened in HLTBB and you said you don't. There's a massive difference between Hulk, Thor and then Spider-man. If you can't tell the difference then please just stop replying.

https://imgur.com/sOJR40B

At least Hulk never lost to Scorpion.

I'm not contesting that AA 2012 is cheap but like I said of you want to count cheap wins for Thor you have to give them to Hulk too.

Do you read your own replies? You insult me, justify it and then accuse me of talking down to you which I still don't get. I appreciate you retracting them and I apologise if I upset you. I want to keep this friendly. You are my friend after all.

What makes you think I dislike Batman, Superman or Dr Strange. I love Superman and Batman. I'm indifferent to Strange. Who would you say you dislike?
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1: the bruises are relevant because they show that Sentry is strong enough to do serious damage to the Green Scar. Weather he was holding back or not it doesn't change how durable you are.
2: ok. Change your vote if you except the fact Mangog stomps Hulk.
3: okay tell me how this isn't fear . Why would he be surprised?

1: so if I was slightly stronger than a Ninja (I can name plenty of characters who are Ninjas before you accuse me of RLL like Ninjak, TMNT, Shredder, Shredder's Foot Clan, Strider, the Ninja Kirby enemies, the League of Assassins, etc) does that mean I can grab his arm and behead him with his OWN SWORD while he completely forgets his skills and lets it happen despite having his arm on it? Because that's what you're getting at! Are you one of the people from school who is convinced they could beat up a Knight because of a misinterpreted view of the Knights thinking the Knight would be stupid enough to let them beat him up? I ask because you seem to think veteran warriors are going to become stupid at random points just to lose fight to people they should easily beat. Think if Thor was so stupid then why hasn't someone tried to grab his arm and beat him with it, if it's really easy to beat him then why hasn't some other Asgardian Warrior tried that on him in a sparring match when he was much younger, weaker, and less experienced? If Hulk could easily do that then why hasn't he been able to do that again to Thor or any of the weapon wielding enemies who have been directly compared to Thor like Hercules, Ares, and Executioner? That's right because he can't! Now answer those two plot holes and we'll talk.
2: this was one of those occasions where they were. Give me an example of an insult of mine that wasn't deserved. Do I call you bias just because I can't contest what you're saying? Ofc not. That's why I get pissed, because it's almost a copout to say I'm bias instead of actual disproving me.
But throwing a wrecking ball and charging towards him was fighting back. How am I using false equivalents when it's about you? Or because he didn't even try to which further shows that Thor hitting him wasn't PIS, plz give a good reason for it to have been other than the character you like being beaten down. Why should I not? Is it because you don't have a rebuttal for it? I'll keep doing it until you explain why you continue to use HLTBB knowing full well that Hulk only won for plot reasons IE same reasons he lost to Spidey.
3: again you ignore what I said because you don't have a rebuttal. I literally explained why I did NOT use RLL. Concession Accepted. The only reason I told you to get lost was because you (again) denied it just like you do with everything else that doesn't go your way.

Me not being part of those debates is irrelevant. You said "drop down to your level."
Which book did you read when you said "studied both forms?" Just because Obi had a form advantage doesn't mean he's a better fighter if anything Anakin's a better fighter because he could keep up with him despite the form disadvantage. Also that form advantage only works in a Djem So vs Soresu match up meaning if you put both Anakin and Obi against someone who uses say Niman then Anakin would do a lot better just as Gillard said.

Still not seeing the quote I asked for, probably because its as real as the benefits of vaccines. Still not seeing that rebuttal, just claims. Either quote that rebuttal you claim to have, admit defeat, or get off this site with your BS claims you don't have a sliver of evidence for! Also claiming "different/extreme circumstances" but not explaining why is not a rebuttal, it's just a cop out. What excuses did I make there? Since you're either amnesiac I'm perfectly willing to repeat myself if need be. Since you're a rocket scientist who knows everything, answer me this: if I "only dismissed it because Thor lost" then why have I offered to make an ENTIRE LIST of Thor losses that count as valid and have even admitted some of Hulks wins are valid?

Well I do now not just because of that but because if a whole planet of inconsistencies that comic gives like the Wrecking Crew holding off Hulk for an entire afternoon, Hulk grabbing Wrecker literally by the ****** and throwing him off, the Wrecking Crew destroying Mount Rushmore which was never referenced to anywhere else, and Thor being way out of character in that comic. This difference is Spidey and the Apes beat Hulk in ways that made since while Thor letting himself get hit doesn't. Besides that was just an example of why you don't use PIS. Also JBS said the comic was "semi continuity" IE not canon/debatably canon. Nice! You're using the exact same quote I've used.

I said in which comic, not an OOC scan, all that scan shows is Scorpion landing one hit. Why do you continue to use late Arron run Thor against immortal Hulk as a voice for both, it seems pretty bias if you ask me.

Is there now not a difference between hitting someone during a fight and being on there side then grabbing there arm while there distracted and out of nowhere slamming it into there face? I've already answered this on the Thor vs Hulk page.
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You said and I quote here: "I won't because I won't stoop that low." Thank you for that. I do to for the exact same reason.

Batman: you constantly downplay him by saying he's "an average human" and say he loses to pretty much everyone, I've never seen you say he beats someone. You've also used his first fight with Bane as an anti feat for him.
Superman: you've used him struggling to hold a black hole as an anti feat for him, you seem to love the comic where he's properly killed by Doomsday, etc.
Strange: you've said Hulk beats him just because he cheapshotted a depowered brawling version of him who is nowhere near what he was with his magic. I find it funny you dismiss Fear Itself as a loss for Hulk because Hulk wasn't himself but you claim Dr Brawler's loss as an accurate representation of Strange.
ÔČć´ŞĆ I've been involved in some of the debates where you use each of those claims. I still think you're bias against Thor because you downplay him, insist RLL applies to him, you're inconsistent when it comes to him, and you take out of context atrocities of his and blow them out of proportion in order to make him look bad. I have examples of everything!

Who would you guess I hate?



The only other arguments I really feel motivated to debate you on are 1: "Hulk beating WM Thor being consistent with their 60+ year history" because it isn't. and 2: weather Rey's a Mary Sue or not because I kinda forgot to reply in the original debate. I just want you to know I don't think Luke I'd a Mary Sue, he is by the Rey logic but only by that logic. And I do NOT think people who hate Rey are "sexist" or "feel threatened by women" in fact I loath her and I don't feel threatened by those who don't have the Y Chromosome, in fact I love a lot of them and understand what they're getting at. It's perfectly okay if you don't want to debate them though.
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1. I don't doubt how powerful Sentry is. When I first read WWH for the first time I genuinely thought he'd win.
2. I changed it from Red Hulk.
3. He was in shock because he reminded him of Caiera.

1. So if you want to go back to RLL then don't get annoyed when I use it. In that example technically yes but you need to stop going to extremes, its getting so annoying. When Logan Paul grabbed KSI round the shoulder and punched him several times I could say where did his training go. You don't have to be either a baby or a flawless warrior. Hulk overpowered him as he got stronger. The end. Please move on! As for why hasn't he since, the right moment hasn't been there (except AA 2012).
2. You've called me blind before, called my answers BS, said I was a god awful debater and told me to get off this site. I let them slide because your my friend but somehow you got offended by being called biased, even thought it was justified. Unlike you I've been able to contest everything you've said.
Again, I meant as Thor was hitting Hulk. I guess that was PIS because Hulk should have fought back. The fact that your resorting to Spider-man as a comparison makes me think your just lost.
3. Long story short you concede to using RLL when it helps you.

Yes because you were using insults. I can't remember which book, you just see it here there. Are you denying those were the forms Anakin and Obi-Wan mastered? Actually Obi-Wan's form was perfect for someone against Djem So. Anakin wasn't allowed to gain any momentum or press any advantage like he did with Dooku. It's why despite being a more powerful jedi, Mace recommended Obi-Wan over himself to fight Grievous saying a master of Soresu would be more effective than his own Vaapad.

So your going to ignore me for the 9th time and fall back on the insults again. Nice.

The Wrecking Crew did not hold Hulk for an entire afternoon, don't exaggerate. Thor was very much in character. He judged Hulk too quickly as usual, attacked first and arrogantly tried to claim himself as better. You don't have to like the fact that Thor got humiliated for it but it's what happened. Otherwise your in denial. Please explain how an ape and Spider-man can beat Hulk in a way that isn't somehow PIS. I'm looking forward to this. So now your listening to the writer again when it suits you. Your hypocrisy is outstanding.

I didn't actually say Scorpion beat Thor I said he's been able to hit Thor because you started randomly using anti-feats on Hulk. You denied Hulk one-shotting Thor. I proved you wrong again.

I didn't say Batman's like an average human I meant he has no powers. I only remember making a case against him with Captain America and Lady Shiva. What makes Batman so good is his mind. In random battles he's going to be at a disadvantage most of the time.
I've consistently called Superman the greatest superhero to ever exist. I used the black hole feat as a comparison. I refer to DOS because it disproves most of what @EmptyHand says and it was their most fair fight.
Just because of 1 example you think I dislike Dr Strange? I dismiss Fear Itself because it was BFR. Hulk was fine while Thor collapsed and had to be taken to Asgard.
If you look at https://www.superherodb.com/forum/who-is-the-most-overrated-superhero/100-3759/ I've defend Thor pretty much every time he's mentioned and get downvoted for it. I've been called a Thor fanboy several times. If I'm honest your the only one who says I'm biased against him. Your the one who uses RLL and you have 1 rule for Thor but a different one for Hulk.

I'd say Hulk mainly because of the different unfair rules you apply to him. When you vote against him, you sometimes like to let it be known.

The Hulk vs warrior madness Thor didn't really have a conclusion so I'd say that was alright.
The Mary Sue issue should be on https://www.superherodb.com/is-rey-a-mary-sue/100-4033/. I'll see you there.
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1: there's still a difference between what I'm doing and what you're doing which you're seeming unable to figure out for some reason. False equivalents (for the trillionth time). Are either of those music YouTubers actual gods who have been in "WAR" for thousands of years? And did Logan grab KSI's arm and hit him with it while he just let if happen? By your own logic that's a cheapshot because he grabbed him from behind, so tell me why that's fair but Thor beating Hulk isn't. I've told you this before and I'll say it again: there's a big difference between boxing and war. If you want a real life comparison for Thor compare him to a Navy SEAL (because he's the greatest warrior) and in that case you do realize SEALs go through the CSORT test SPECIFICALLY´┐╝´┐╝´┐╝ SO THEY CAN KEEP A LEVEL HEAD IN STRESSFUL CIRCUMSTANCES! CSORT like tests are not just for SEALs, pretty much all warriors throughout history has went through a version of that; boom they wont be becoming mindless brawlers from one hit like you imply Thor will. Do boxers go through CSORT? There, another one of thy ships has sank. Also one thing you've ignored for far to long is boxers can match each other in all categories while Hulk is only comparable to Thor in raw physicals but gets dwarfed by him in every other´┐╝ category. Seriously comparing Hulk to Thor is like comparing a steroid using barbrawler to a Navy SEAL.´┐╝´┐╝ Hulk only keeps up with Thor when he brawls with almost all of his attacks being blunt force. Another thing you're ignoring is that in your boxing examples, the people are in the middle of a heated fistfight and both are desperate while Thor was completely casual against Hulk and for all Intents and purposes, the fight was over. That's relevant because Thor wouldn't be stressed out (assuming he even would be in the first place, which he wouldn't). You still keep ignoring the fact that there is more to a fight then just strength. How do you overpower someone who isn't fighting back? Again: if I were to lay my arm limp on a table and a 2 year old were to pick it up and move it around with me literally letting it happen then I would have been overpowered by a 2 year old or at least the 2 year old is comparable to me in strength. I'll stop repeating that when you actually get the ability to contest it. What was so special about that circumstance? Plz come up with an actual reason for why it hasn't happened before nor since. Avengers Assemble #4 is a complete false equivalent so stop using it.
2: A: I can't remember where but it was because you were flat out ignoring my answer and insisting you were right. What other conclusions was I supposed to come to? B: Provide an example. C: Because you were redirecting the blame at me rather than taking the responsibility of proving your case which is literally the definition of a bad debater. I do NOT think you're a bad debater, I just said that because I was pissed with your inability to prove your case. Ofc you think you're justified, I could say the same for myself. I did because you were accusing me instead of proving your case, I could do the same in return but I don't. Name me something I couldn't contest, I'll wait. More blaming me instead of meeting the point head on. Great. At least I don't claim my opponent doesn't read comics at all or that nobody likes them.
Again, that's such a false equivalent, prove Hulk wasn't fighting back! Thor is physically comparable (if not superior), skilled enough to land those hits, and he didn't force his arm against him like Hulk did to him. So there you go. Any questions? It's an example of why we shouldn't use PIS, at least Spidey didn't create a bunch of plot holes.
3: NOT. EVEN. CLOSE. Okay, last chance to figure it out on your own, if you can't then I'll explain it myself.

Doesn't give you an excuse. Let me know when you remember. That sentence didn't make any sense. No, I'm just mentioning that having a "STYLE ADVANTAGE" doesn't mean you're the more "SKILLED FIGHTER." Both Anakin and Obi have more than just Soresu and Djem So so your little bible chapter is basically irrelevant. Again, that's called having a form advantage. What happens if you put Anakin and Obi against the same enemy who uses say Niman?

Failure to give me the quote I'm asking for will result in an automatic concession on your part. And for the 9th time I've looked up their where you claim you debunked something and all I saw was you claiming they were different circumstances but you ignored me when I asked how so. Now answer the freaking question: if I "only dismissed it because Thor lost" then why have I offered to make an ENTIRE LIST of Thor losses that count as valid and have even admitted some of Hulks wins are valid?

Didn't JBS say they did? I would pull up the interview but unfortunately the link no longer works for me. In which other comic did he gloat in someone's face? What do you mean "as ´┐╝usual"? I can give you plenty of examples of Thor getting humiliated which aren't PIS and since you're gonna deny it click here. Whats next? I did not say they could, I said "THE HOW" made sense or at least it made more sense than HLTBB. Okay now yours just getting desperate, I've already told you why my example was different so get lost if you can't contest it.
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You said Thor was "KNOCKED OUT" by him. Just because you land one hit on an enemy doesn't mean you're on their level, that would make average criminals Batman level because they've sometimes landed hits on him. I did so to prove why we don't use PIS. I meant normal Hulk never one shotted normal Thor.

You could have said he's "just a human" rather than saying he's an average human. An example of an average human by comic standards would be something like Jane Foster or Rick Jones or even a member of Thaddeus Ross' army. Try saying Batman's only on there level while thinking of yourself as a mature and educated person. That's true but he's not helpless when dropped in cold.
Okay but didn't you say you liked that comic? You might want to find a better comparison, it's not the worst I've seen though. Also @Empty uses a more current Superman so you might want to use the time from Rebirth where Clark was losing to him until Wonder Woman showed up and the two ganged up on him just to temporarily stop him.
That and you said Silver Surfer beats him.
Also btw I said those were who I would "GUESS" your least favorite characters were, I didn't say they were and the reason I made that was to show that I don't think Thor's your least favorite. Okay but that was still a two V one against an amped Hulk and amped Thing, that's why I count it.
Oh so you've defended him once? By that logic I'm the biggest Hulk fanboy in the universe because I defended him once. Being downvoted by Mxy doesn't mean crap, he likes to downvote people he disagrees with and he has a habit of trolling which he's admitted. Imagine having to draw a lot of attention to one part of an essay just cause you disagree with it. I've already explained why what I did wasn't RLL so stop using that BS claim! I could easily do the same for you if you'd like. Any examples of that BS or is that just a reflection of something I've said?

What unfair rules? That sounds like a reflection of something I said. Any examples of me doing that? Nah, my least favorite Marvel hero would have to be Spider-Man (yes really) simply because he's a wimp and nowadays he's a lil too self righteous for my liking. If not him then Dr Strange since I never really liked the magic characters to begin with save for Loki and John Constantine.

Just because a fight doesn't have a conclusion doesn't make it consistent. Batman Rebirth #21 shows Batman having an inconclusive fight was Reverse Flash. Does that make it consistent?
I would have went their but that debate was kinda old so I think we should completely renew it.
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1. Its just an example. Focus on the training part not whether they're gods. Also they're not really music youtubers they just happen to have made music. HLTBB wasn't war. Stop going to extremes! Thor did not become a mindless brawler just because he got overpowered. Stop this madness!
2.A That's still insulting. I'm just saying if you don't like being called biased either stop being it or don't use insults first.
B. "get off this site with your BS claims you don't have a sliver of evidence for".
C. Your the one who's been reflecting. I haven't said you don't read comics and you admitted you weren't a fan of Hulk yourself. Don't put this on me.
This is all just nitpicking now and getting petty. Basically don't use insults if you don't like receiving them.

Proof Hulk wasn't fighting back. And before you say Hulk fights back afterwards, literally that same logic can be used on Thor as to why "he didn't fight back". It's never been established that Thor's physically stronger. At best he's equal to savage Hulk who gets stronger very quickly. Hulk was able to do what he did because like the writer said, Hulk got stronger. Thor couldn't do that because he's not Hulk. It would have been PIS if that wasn't the outcome.
3. Just be consistent ok.

If you don't like it, don't do it yourself (even though calling you biased pales in comparison to what you've said to me).
That was all relevant because like I said Obi-Wan's form could counter Anakin's.

You resorting to insults again and me not doing the same is not conceding. You've never admitted a Hulk win without watering it down as much as possible. There's conveniently always something wrong with the win.

Why would Thor gloated in someone's face after the **** whopping he got last time?

I didn't actually say he was knocked out by Scorpion either. Once again I only used it because you were using anti-feats. It goes both ways.

When did I say he's just an average human?
I believe that was New 52. I was successfully persuaded that SS would win.
That's why I don't really like using Fear Itself because there were too many variables.
I've defended him far more than once. Another example off the top of my head is Superman vs Thor. More often than not I speak favourably about him. You forget Thor is one of my favourite characters.

The cheap shots, non-canon wins, PIS wins, etc. All rules that are different for Hulk.
I actually agree with you on Spider-man. I liked him before but now he acts like he knows it all. I still like his stories but not the main character.

That's a completely different fight. I actually liked TIH #440.
Agreed.
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Can you please favourite me
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Added you
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I don't unfortunately. I do play ps4
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you should Join discord Bro. what games u Play ?
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Call of duty, star wars Battlefront 2 and Injustice 2
Dark_Wing
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Happy one year anniversary! ­čśÇ
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Wow has it been that long already? Thanks man. I really appreciate that.
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If I'm honest it could go either way but after some research I've found that Cass would edge the win more often.
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Sure. Sounds great.
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I don't have discord but which battle would you like to debate?
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I will tell u if im interested
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Absolutely loved that
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I'd already added you too. Quite a neutral guy who put facts before bias
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Same goes for you. Your reasoning is always reasonable.
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X-men Schism. Avengers vs X-Men. All New X-men #1 onwards until #2 or #3. Uncanny X-men #1 during the Marvel Now run. Excellent ending. There's a brief appearance during the X-men vs Inhumans run where Black Bolt kills Cyclops. Even more spoilers you find how Cyclops really died. That in a nutshell is why Cyclops is the greatest hero to ever exist
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Is Count Dooku your favorite Star Wars character? If not then who is it?
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1. General Grievous
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
3. Count Dooku
4. Mace Windu
5. Qui-Gon Jinn

What makes you ask?
Dark_Wing
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Because if you scroll down, you said you named yourself after Count Dooku. Anyways why do you like those characters you mentioned?
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Dooku has one of the best names I've heard of and my top 3 is very close.
1. Grievous has a sad story and despite his biased hatred he's actually fighting for a good cause. I also love his very existence. A cyborg who only has a heart, brain, eyes and spinal cord. Everything else is metal. Some characters you just attach to.
2. Great guy. The perfect jedi and I love the jedi ways.
3. Also had good intentions despite being on the "wrong" side. Also a great guy.
4. No nonsense guy. He's Mace Windu. Purple lightsaber. Samuel Jackson
5. The greatest guy. Could have saved Anakin. Realised the flaws of the jedi. It's hard to not like him. Also he's Liam Neeson
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cool, just got one question: how were the CIS (a movement created by Sith) the "good cause?"

My favorites are

1: Anakin/Vader (he's a very motivated, relatable, powerful, tragic and´┐╝ interesting, character so for all intense and´┐╝ purposes he's basically the Jean Grey of Star Wars. And I like Vader for basically he same reason you like Grievous and because he's Darth Vader and the fact that he was one of the few people who could turn back from the Dark Side)
2: Obi Wan Kenobi (I just love his´┐╝ attitude especially in Clone Wars era lore and RotS)
3: Starkiller (same reason I like Anakin)
4: Dooku/Windu (I couldn't pick the one I prefer between´┐╝ these two. I like Dooku because for a Sith he's quite honorable and noble as well as uses an elegant fencing even style rather than something like or Djem So besides Christopher Lee. And I like Windu because he's pretty much what the Jedi should be and by that I mean trained warriors who protect all things good while balancing both sides of the Force in the process but while trained for battle he doesn't actively seek out it. Oh and he's just a [email protected]$$)
5: Luke Skywalker (much like Anakin he's developed, motivated, relatable, powerful, and´┐╝ interesting but why I like about him other than him literally being the universe's last hope (like Kyle Rayner) is who he is like he was able to see the good in both Darth Vader and Mara Jade (literally marrying her) and how he was able to turn to the Dark Side and still turn good again at least twice (once in RotJ and once in Dark Empire) which further cements how much of a [email protected]$$ he is. Besides he's literally the face of the franchise.´┐╝
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The CIS had a noble cause but it was hijacked by the sith. The republic was corrupt and wasn't helping most people. It benefited the greedy corporations over the common person. TPM sums it up.

Nice list. I also had Mace and Dooku very close. I would have thought Vader or R2 and C3PO were the face of the franchise.
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Okay.

I would have thought that to but you forget in Lucas' original three movies, Luke was the main character and the one we're supposed to root for.
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The same could be said about Obi-Wan and Anakin with the prequels except Obi-Wan, R2 and C3P0 have all been in all 6 movies.
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I'm well aware, though are R2 or the Jar Jar of the OT the main hero who grows over the three movies? (Check out the two messages below ÔČç´ŞĆ the one from me and the one from Breaker
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Wassup bro
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Hey how's it going? You good?
Breaker
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Yeah My Brother
Tyrannus
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My favourite person here
Dark_Wing
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I thought I was your favorite here ­čśó
Tyrannus
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I get on slightly better with @Breaker
Breaker
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@Tyr you also brother
Dark_Wing
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Okay, I see.
Dark_Wing
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Are you into any franchises other than Marvel, DC, and Star Wars? If so what are they?
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Those are the main three but there are small franchises I do enjoy.
Dark_Wing
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Like what?
Tyrannus
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Game of Thrones, Terminator, Predator and Lord of the Rings
Dark_Wing
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Cool. I don't really watch movies or TV because I don't have the attention span to do so though I have seen all of Star Wars´┐╝, Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, and some Star Trek and Avatar. And my thoughts on superhero movies are pretty negative since I feel like they're just lane ways for people to make money while humiliating the franchises they created.

With cartoons I also don't watch that much due to a single lack of interest though I can say I watch Transformers Prime, TCW, and Samurai Jack. And even then I haven't seen every episode of any of those shows.

Where I really shine are comics and real life lore as I like to call it. With this my favorite franchises are Transformers, Archie Sonic, Archie Megaman, and TMNT.
Tyrannus
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You can never beat the comics themselves
Dark_Wing
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Agreed. Which reminds me to ask this: what comics are you into outside of Marvel and DC?
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I was a little bit into the Dark Horse comics with star wars but it's been a while. Mainly DC and Marvel since.
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I edited Mazahs
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I appreciate that thanks
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Sure. That's excellent to hear.
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Indeed you are. You made me feel welcome when I first joined this site. Your like everyone's best friend here anyway which is why your the #1 most Favorited person here, even more than Galactus!
Dark_Wing
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Whew I'm glad you still like me, I'm still surprised you're not still mad at me lol.
Oh, and I have a few tips for you if you'd like them.
MakeMineMarvel
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Say, I like your nickname. It sounds as if you like the T-Rex!
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I do indeed however I originally got this name from Count Dooku. I loved the name so much it's honestly the best name I'd ever heard
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Sure. And thanks
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I think it was here but I believe it was also somewhere else too
Dark_Wing
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Good, just a little tip for you: don't try to start fights like when you said "this is why no one likes you" I understand why you said that but you did kinda start a fight that doesn't need to happen. I got a few more tips like that if you want.
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I usually don't like it when people start insulting each other and being rude which is why I call him out on it often. However I do admit I did go too far there. I'll probably delete the comment. To be fair he usually starts it.
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I found the most powerful version of superman, he could beat a villain that alters reality and the universe. This type of superman can beat Sentry. and something sentry can't avoid. Hakai
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Tyrannus
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Never heard of that
Breaker
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i added u to my fav .ur a cool user
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Cheers bro. How do I add you onto my faves?
EmptyHand
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Alright if you're gonna make the claim that no one likes me to my face that is where i am gonna end my tolerance for you, i am not gonna have someone who lives on only 1 mutual community with me and claim such a false thing, i wouldn't care to much if it didn't come out of the blue, now, either leave me alone or ill jump you myself, i never "wondered" why no one likes me since thats NOT true, i never do anything major to you, and odly you only defend someone else if the insult is coming from me when i am DEFENDING my friend, now pick what you want

A. Beef with me
B. ignore me and leave me the hell alone
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"that is where i am gonna end my tolerance for you" you never had any tolerance for me because whenever I say anything to you you almost always insult back for no reason. I know what your going to say next but if you start insulting people I will call you out on it. No need to get angry if you're in the wrong. I did say to you earlier if you have a problem with anything I've said then tell me and we can resolve it peacefully. However if you go looking for an argument don't get surprised when you find it.
There's defending then there's just attacking someone yourself and that's what you were doing.
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sorry you are a great debater
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Cheers. I appreciate it
HolyJoe
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What's it you like the most about Cyclops?
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All his life he's always tried to help mutant-kind. Despite being betrayed and attacked by Wolverine and the Avengers he still saved mutants from the brink of extinction. He's never done anything wrong yet he's hated by many people in universe and in real life. Everyone ignores all the people killed and lives ruined by Wolverine and Scarlet Witch (Wolverine wanted to kill Hope, a child, in AvX) yet Cyclops accidentally kill Professor X in self defence while possessed by the Phoenix and saves mutants children from racist police and he's the terrorist? Despite all that he takes the hate and continues to saves innocents whoever they are. #Cyclops was right.
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Quite an amazing story. I respect Cyclops even more after hearing that.
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Glad you think so. I honestly believe he's THE greatest character in all of comics
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@Tyrannus I came here to apologize for being disrespectful, hurling insults, and straight up spamming on the Thor vs Hulk page; you have no idea how sorry I am for going crazy there and I hope you can forgive me, I've deleted and edited many comments on that page to clean it up a bit.

Here's some tips I have for you: 1: don't accuse people of cherry picking a character's best victories against another character you accused me of doing that on the Thor vs Hulk page when YOU were the one who made the fanboyist claim that Thor has never beaten Hulk. 2: don't use non canon material even if it's a what if for reasons I'm about to give. 3: don't say "I know A character can do X" or something like that, it makes you look like an egoist. 4: read a comic about Thor, you know absolutely nothing about the God of Thunder. The reason I say this because you deny major aspects of him like him holding back against mortals Examples of Thor holding back 1: Breaking Into Comics the Marvel Way: here we have a statement from Thor Odinson himself "I lost control and got caught up in the furry of the moment" _Thor Odinson. Thor must keep control over himself or he would be an even bigger threat to mortals than the enemies he fights. Civil War: all we have here is a statement from Captain American "Thor once told me that no mater how powerful a mortal might be, he'll only use a third of his power; even at the risk of losing a battle, for fear of killing them" _Steve Rogers. Incredible Hulk 440: "I have restrained myself in battling the Hulk for years for fear of loosing my control" _Thor Odinson. After this Thor goes Warriors Madness and battles Hulk to a stalemate before the government nukes the both of them to stop there fight, Thor (2007) #3 "this time I am no longer holding back" _Thor Odinson. Thor then beats Ironman into submission. And you also misinterpret other aspects of his character the example I have is: you think General Grievous can beat him because "he'll underestimate him" even though A: Thor might be arrogant but he's not dumb, he'll obliterate Grievous as soon as he figures out Grievous is a threat to mortals, remember if he was so dumb that he'd let Grievous kill him then why is he the greatest warrior of Asgard? B: Thor has survived being in the sun _God of Thunder by Jason Aaron and survived the might and heat of the Phoenix Force Itself. Please learn about the characters before you do anything with them.mI'd gladly finish that debate if you want, I swear I'll be MUCH more respectful this time and won't repeat myself. Okay? I'll also change my opinion if you can prove to me that Hulk stomps every time like you said he would.
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1: Hulk will always get stronger

Rebuttal: no limits fallacy! Hulk will ALWAYS get stronger. By that logic could beat The Presence via always getting stronger while The Presence won't be. WBH is supposed to be the most powerful Hulk can get in Earth 616 unless you can prove otherwise it's the strongest Hulk can get. Thankfully for you the feats from WBH in Heart of the Monster prove that he could easily take down Thor, Superman, and Wonder Woman, heck he could probably solo the base forms of those three at the same time.

2: Hulk is immortal

Rebuttal: 1: I still don't understand how him refusing to die makes him immortal; by that logic is anyone who refuses to die immortal like a cancer patient? And before you say "the patient won't live forever Hulk will" uh, no which brings me into my second point. 2: Hulk also ages which means he's not immortal, before you say "the writers drew him older to show the passage of time" any proof of that? They could have shown the passage of time in so many other ways but they conveniently chose the one that proves he's not immortal ­čĄö. 3: He's also died in Earth 616 canon which proves he's not immortal. Come at me with more fodder arguments I dare you!

3: he heals better than Thor/Superman/Wonder Woman/etc

Rebuttal: that is true. Hulk has one of the best healing factor's in Marvel; even better then Deadpool (who literally can't die unlike Hulk who can) and Thanos. Clark and Diana need time to heal up while Hulk doesn't. Thor's healing factor is impressive 1: he regrew his teeth and bones after being tortured by angels _Thor (2018) #6 2: Thor regrew his liver after having it turned into glass _God of Thunder (Jason Aaron) 3: he restored his heart after being impales in the chest almost instantly _Astonishing X-men #83. I can here you asking "hey genus why can't Thor regrow his eyes?" It's very simple: when he lost both of his eyes during Ragnorok (Thor #80 to 85) he made a permanent sacrifice to the Well of Mimir to gain heightened wisdom. When he lost his eye in Thor: The Reigning he didn't have time to heal it before going back in time and undoing all his actions. When he lost his eyes in War if the Realms he once again made a permanent sacrifice this time to the World Tree. So, please don't use Thor's spiritual journeys to lowball him

4: Hulk doesn't get tired

Rebuttal: that is true as long as he stays angry his endurance is limitless but his rage ain't limitless like many people think otherwise he'd be the Hulk forever and wouldn't revert back into Banner midfight.

5: Hulk always wins a fair fight (against Thor)/Thor has never beaten Hulk properly.

Rebuttal: I've gave you the numbers where Thor beats Hulk in either a fair fight or where Hulk had the advantage; I'd also like to add on Thor: The Reigning (where Thor KILLS the Hulk; has Hulk ever killed Thor in Earth 616 canon? Heck no he hasn't), Thor #489 (where Thor gets an uperhand on Hulk crushing him between rocks and would have probably killed him had Hela of not intervened, both Thor and Hulk were stated to have been suppressed during that fight), and Avenger season 1 (the comic) (where Thor solos both Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk). You might want to rethink some of your statements. And yes I have read all the comics I've just mentioned and made my own assessments, my review of all Thor vs Hulks is still coming out.
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6: Banner holds back Hulk

Rebuttal: that is true and it's stated in Heart of the Monster but his control has to be very very limited otherwise why would Banner allow Hulk 1: throw people and other gamma messes through building 2: violently attack other heroes (many of which Banner is friends with) 3: threaten civilians just to make Thor drop his hammer 4: force Tony Stark, Dr Strange, and a few other heroes who names I can't remember because of how long it's been since I've read WWH (who are all banner's friends) to fight to the death? Either Banner has extremely limited control over Hulk or none at all and those statements from HOTM are irrelevant.

7: I can use what if comics because they're what ifs meaning the regular version

Rebuttal: no they aren't: Hulk in Hulk the End had changed, there is absolutely no way he's the same as Earth 616 Hulk unless you can PROVE OTHERWISE! If I gained superpowers in another universe that doesn't mean the me here writing this comment can fly or move around planets; get your facts/canon right my friend. Now I say this one more time: stop. Using. Noncanon. Material. As. Evidence. Claiming. It. Counts. Because. It's. A. What. If. If you don't like that then just stop debating, leave this site, and walk off into the sunset with your own personal headcanon.

8: Hulk is much stronger and he usually fights alone while Thor has help against his foes

Rebuttal: That's the dummest and most fanboyist argument you've ever made even dummer than you thinking what ifs count. But let's see what Hulk takes on by himself 1: human soldiers (pfft even Nightwing could take down some of those guys) 2: Wolverine (someone who couldn't even destroy a building, Captain America can take down) 3: Red Hulk, Abomination, other monsters (these guys couldn't even destroy a galaxy while Thor has beaten universal threats) now let's see what Thor has taken on 1: the Frost Giants (a threat to the nine realms each one of those realms is an entire universe within itself) 2: Surtur (another threat to the nine realms) 3: the Dark Elves 4: Celestial beings (Celestials are comparable but slightly beneath Eternity himself) 5: Galactus (a multi universal threat) 6: Glory a being that is made of 10 thousands gods 7: the Chaos King (who he managed to stun by himself) 8: the Phoenix Force (a hyperversal being of life energy), Gorr the God Butcher who was killing entire pantheons of gods and goddesses. And most of the "help" he has is mostly just fodder Asgardians with swords and shields. Now do you understand why Thor is the universes mightiest hero while Hulk is only Earth's mightiest hero?

9: Savage Hulk could beat Thor he has no chance against WBH

Rebuttal: 1: again Thor while holding back soloed Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk _Avengers Season 1. 2: prove it.

10: slapping someone away isn't the same as defeating them. Thanos knows if he fought the Hulk he'd eventually lose.

Rebuttal: NOT. EVEN. CLOSE...this proves that you don't understand comic book scaling. 1: Thanos fearing Hulk doesn't mean Hulk could beat him; I could be afraid of a wasp but that doesn't mean that wasp could beat me in a fight 2: the reason Thanos just slaps Hulk aside is because he's so far above Hulk in terms of power that he doesn't even need to properly fight him; Hulk is an ant to him. Before you get salty that your favorite character can't beat Thanos remember, Thanos is a villain that requires EVERY SINGLE hero to fight ask yourself what the heck is the point of the Avengers if Hulk can solo Thanos and if he could solo Thanos than couldn't Thor and Silver Surfer (two characters that are often portrayed as equals to Thanos) do the same since they are on par if not > Hulk?
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11: "Hulk just wants to be left alone otherwise he'd one shot all his enemies"

Rebuttal: 1: I will admit that that's true, it's not always the case otherwise he wouldn't have wished for a realm where he could fight endlessly in Heart of the Monster he also wouldn't brutally attack Thanos every time they fight. Him wanting to be left alone isn't the reason he would hold back if anything it'll give him the willpower to fight harder than his opponent in order to get them out of his way. 2: if he wanted to be left alone and an angry Viking God of Thunder (Thor), the mightiest herald of Galactus a being who can contend/beat Odin, Celestials, Phoenix amped Rachael Grey, etc (Silver Surfer), a being who has the power of 1 million exploding suns (Sentry) are coming after him and he could easily take them down; guess what he'd do? He'll beat them all into bloody pulps, but no he can't do that because he's not as powerful as them.

12: "Incredible Hulk annual was a cheap shot"

Rebuttal: No, it wasn't. If you actually read the comic you'd know that Thor and Hulk were going blow for blow then Thor uses lightning to knock him out. Unless you count Thor using thunder powers as a cheap shot, it wasn't a cheap shot and if it was Thor is now the god of cheap shots. I asked on the battle page how was it a cheap shot but you never answered, Ive since deleted that and a few other comments because I said something about @Breaker not much smarter than Hulk in it. So I ask you one more time: how. Was. It. A. Cheap. Shot?

13 "political debates are calmer than comic debates"

Rebuttal: not from my experience; from my experience people cuss me out and accuse me of a lot of bad things that I'd rather not go into right now. But if political debates are tamer that's probably because most political debates are conducted between to mature adults.

14: Hulk the End was written to show us that Hulk is immortal"

Rebuttal: oh, so are all what if comics supposed to add to the main universe versions of the characters? Is Superman now secretly evil because of what ifs like Red Sun and Injustice? Is Earth 616 Black Widow now worthy of Mjolnir because she picked it up in a what if comic? Is Earth 616 Thanos now strong enough to kill the Living Tribunal because he did just that in Thanos wins? What ifs are something for fun, not meant to be used in debates.
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I really appreciate what you have to say. I'll try and keep that in mind in future. That already makes you a bigger person than 90% here.

Just wondering though you said don't say "A character can do X". I don't mean to sound like an egotist but there are some characters where you know they can do certain things (Darkseid's omega beams or the Flash being faster than Superman). However I am starting to see things in Thor's favour. I should add that I have read Thor comics as well as the Hulk. If you've read Hulk comics you'd know that Banner does hold him back to protect civilians and his friends.
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1. I think you meant OAA because the Presence is DC. Strength alone isn't always enough so he won't be able to do anything to the OAA.
2. Normal humans will still die eventually. We can resist terminal cancer to an extent but not natural causes. Hulk did. Writers tend to make mistakes when it comes to healing factors and immortality. It's like how Wolverine should always have a beard but doesn't for some reason or how he was able to survive without food by eating his own flesh. Also Hawkeye killed Banner in a way that didn't trigger him into the Hulk again (he was supposed to be cured of the Hulk but we don't know). As it is, Hulk won't die unless he allows it.
4. Hulks usually turns back to Banner when he calms down or someone just absorbs the gamma radiation from him.
5. During the reigning story line things were very different but like I've said I am starting to see things Thor's way.
6. It's true Banner's influence is limited but during the WWH story Banner had very good reason to be angry because by sending Hulk away they betrayed Banner too. Even then his rage wasn't so blind because he spared Namor because Namor didn't want Hulk to be sent away. There have been times in the past where Hulk would just stop fighting and leave when he saw civilians in danger or people he cared able. Rick Jones was able to do so reliably.
7. Before the explosion everything was the same as 616 earth. Hulk wasn't created stronger in that reality. The whole point of the comic was to show that Hulk is immortal. I'm happy to continue the debate because my example counts, are you?
8. This is actually one of my strongest points against you. Hulks known for wanting to be left alone and falling out easily with his allies while Thor is very well known for not just being an Avenger but a team player. I don't think Nightwing could take down whole battalions of soldiers with tanks and helicopters. Also fun fact, Captain America has never taken down Wolverine. Thor fights with Earth's mightiest heroes. The Spectre regularly goes after small time crooks and murderers primarily. Does that mean he's weak?
9. Hulk Let the Battle Begin
10. Your fear of the wasp isn't the same as Thanos's fear of the Hulk. Thanos tends to win because he's smart so removes Hulk from the fight or actively tries to avoid him. Even if the Hulk was allowed to fight Thanos fairly it wouldn't be easy at all. By the way I never get salty when someone puts down a character I like. They're not real so who cares. I like Hulk but he's not really one of my top favourites.
11. Hulk isn't smart like that. If he knocks his opponent down instead of pressing the advantage he'll just leave. He's been punished for that before because Thor, Red Hulk and others have hit him while he was trying to escape.
12. Thor's lightening him him from behind. It's not the worst thing I've seen but Thor needed to do that to get Hulk away.
13. I honestly have the opposite experience. I suppose it's because most of my political debates are in person and people aren't as likely to insult you to your face.
14. In the Injustice 1 game our Superman admits that had the same thing happened to him, he probably would have done the same thing. Did you find Red Son Superman evil? I'd say he was quite fair.
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"I really appreciate what you have to say. I'll try and keep that in mind in future. That already makes you a bigger person than 90% here."

Thank you for forgiving me for basically going Warrior Madness on that page. I also want to apologize for saying that Hulk from Hulk the End was Maestro Hulk and yes I have at this point read Thanos wins, Hulk #440, and Old Man Logan all of which heavily feature Maestro Hulk.

"Just wondering though you said don't say "A character can do X". I don't mean to sound like an egotist but there are some characters where you know they can do certain things (Darkseid's omega beams or the Flash being faster than Superman)."

I meant don't say you know say Superman beats Goku like how you said "I know Hulk beats Thor because he always gets stronger. Claiming you know something about a hypothetical battle kinda dose make you look like an egoist I'm aware of this because it's happened to me personally.

Also one more thing I'd like to say is this: Stan Lee created Thor because he wanted two things 1: a mythical god almost his answer to Wonder Woman in a way 2: a character stronger than the Hulk which he stated in an interview with this quote "I dreamed up Thor years ago because I wanted to create the biggest, most powerful superhero of all and I figured who can be bigger than a god." Also I believe Hulk's greatest assets in a fight are his strength and healing factor, Thor is not just the Norse god of thunder but he's also the Norse god of strength and healing; Stan Lee chose the best character to fight on par with and beat the Hulk.

"However I am starting to see things in Thor's favour"

Perhaps you could delete some of your more fanboyist sounding comments.

"I should add that I have read Thor comics as well as the Hulk"

Apparently not that many as you claim for the reasons I mentioned a few days ago.
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1: when I made that "Hulk will always get stronger until he could beat The Presence" I was being sarcastic as well as bringing up why no limits fallacies are bad and no I did mean DC's The Presence as he's confirmed to not be omnipotent, TOAA has been confirmed to not be omnipotent in Infinity Conflict but TOAA can't be harmed in any way shape or form while The Presence has been killed before. The reason no limits fallacies are bad is because one could make an argument for a character with no limits to beat ANYONE including beings who are far out of there leagues.
2: the cancer patients thing was just an analogy the question was really "is anyone who refuses to die immortal and how how dose him asking to die make him immortal? *did you just say normal humans won't die of natural cause?* Healing factor dose not equal immortality otherwise every character with that power would be immortal, as far as I know Deadpool is the only "mortal being" whose healing factor makes him immortal and that's mainly because Thanos cursed him with that to get him away from Death. Did it ever occur to you that Wolverine doesn't always have a beard because he shaves? The reason his hair quickly grows back whenever he's burnt to a crisp is probably because the writers want to draw him with hair because it looks better; but that's just my theory. I believe Deadpool was the one who ate his own flesh and Deadpool is literally all kinds of crazy. *And I wasn't referring to Civil War II, I was referring to the Onslaught Saga and Thor: The Reigning* I didn't know Banner could be cured of the Hulk because even after Silver Surfer drains Hulk he still comes back when Banner gets mad.
4: the point is if he had infinite rage he wouldn't stop being angry; right?
5: I know things were different in that story, I was just bringing up a time in Earth 616 where Thor beat Hulk. And please do NOT change your vote on the Thor vs Hulk battle because the comics often portray them as equals, and Thor VS Hulk: Champions of the Universe (a comic that was supposed to prove which of the two was superior) has the two fairing equally against the same enemies and ends with the two not being able to decide a superior between the two.
6: I'm well aware of his reason to be angry his family was nuked by the Illuminati but that still doesn't explain why Banner would allow Hulk to force some of the few people who like him to fight to the death which kinda proves how limited Banner's control must be. And I believe WWH was a much more intelligent form of the Hulk which is why he spared Namor but other than that he was pretty ruthless against Bruce Banner's friends. "There were times were Hulk stopped fighting because he saw civilians" is that why he has no problem throwing villains through buildings and using moves like the thunderclap in cities? Hulk gets caught up in the furry of battle, then stops when he sees those civilians.
7: I know that it was the same before the explosion, but why do you think Hulk: The End was solely written to prove he was immortal and why wouldn't they use an Earth 616 comic to prove that? I've also already debunked the healing factor = immortality thing.
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8: hey look you were the one who said that Hulk was stronger because he fights alone and I was explaining the power gap between Hulk's enemies and Thor's enemies bty I am NOT trying to say Thor is hyperversal because he injured the Phoenix Force and Chaos King, I'm also not trying to say Thor is stronger than 10 thousand gods because he drove off Glory and defeated Gorr; like I said this was just to explain the power gap between Hulk and Thor's enemies. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of sarcasm because I was being sarcastic with the Nightwing argument, but you never know Nightwing might be able to take down a small squads of soldiers and maybe highjack a tank or two but he couldn't do anything to the weapons the military sends at Hulk. "Cap has never beaten Logan" Wolverine Origins #20 Cap dose so while inexperienced, to be fair Logan didn't have Adiantum at this point but Cap did beat Logan BTY. And I believe only Jim/Hal/Crispus Spectre goes after regular criminals and that's mostly for revenge and stuff like that and that's mostly because The Presence sends him on those missions, nice try though.
9: what dose that comic have to do with Savage Hulk beating Thor?
10: yes, I'm well aware of that, my wasp thing was just another analogy. Intelligence on it's own isn't going to save Thanos unless he has the power to get Hulk out of his way. No matter how you slice it Thanos has always been more powerful than the Incredible Hulk; Thanos has easily defeated Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Indestructible Hulk, Adam Warlock, he did the same to a Warrior Madness (a times 10 amp) Thor, and the Champion (both Thor and Champion had the Power Stone during there fights with him), and went blow for blow with Odin and shrugged off hits from Galactus so he could beat Hulk with mid/low difficulty if they were both to fight fully. Fun fact: Thanos (to the best of my knowledge) has never directly stated that he fears the Incredible Hulk, he just said he tries to ovoid him for an unexplained reasons which leads a lot of Hulk fans to think he fears him.
11: one dose not need intelligence to slap someone like Thor or Sentry out of his way, one just needs the strength to do it which according to you claims he has that in his surpluses.
12: I supposed this now counts as hitting Hulk from behind plz reed da comik mi frend.
14: when did he say this? And how do you know that was the main Post Crisis? And no Red Sun Superman is kinda like MCU Thanos or Lord Thor from Thor: The Reigning as in he wasn't really a bad guy but the comic portrayed him as evil and told us he was bad and in the end it was an American comic going over a Russian matter called communism which isn't even that bad on paper but was pretty screwed up in practice for a bunch of reasons I shall not get into on @Galactus' site.
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I agree with almost everything you said except where you said Thor "Thor is not just the Norse god of thunder but he's also the Norse god of strength and healing". I'm not sure about that but even if that was true, Hulk's known for having the best healing factor in Marvel (juggernaut arguably has a better one). I will admit I have read more Hulk comics than Thor but that's because Hulk stories tend to be better.
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1. The Presence died! How? That shouldn't be possible. Strength alone only gets you so far (e.g he would be able to hurt Kitty Pryde).
2. Almost all men will grow a beard if the don't shave as should Wolverine. I have proof from the 616 universe of Hulk's immortality as explained in the immortal Hulk comics; https://screenrant.com/hulk-comic-immortal-explained/
4. Needs a reason to be angry but he usually calms down when he realises it isn't getting him anywhere.
6. Banner's "friends" didn't like him enough to keep him on earth. They knew that by banishing Hulk they were sending Banner away too but they did so anyway. Hulk isn't smart. He'll stop when he sees people in danger but doesn't think far enough to know that his fighting may put civilians in danger.
7. I say Hulk The End proves his immortality because of how the comic ends. You haven't debunked the healing factor = immortality because Hulk's healing is different to Deadpool's or Wolverine's.
8. Thor and Hulk's enemies are different because of who they are. The Spectre is forced to always have a host which is why is very rarely unhosted but nice try though.
9. You asked for proof so that comic did.
10. There's a reason Thanos fears the Hulk and not the God of Thunder. He'll lose eventually which is why he removes Hulk or avoids him. Avoiding him sounds like fear.
11. Hulk can and does slap his opponents away then runs. You asked why doesn't go on to beat down his opponent. Hulk doesn't think like that, he sees an opening and he leaves.
12. I did read the comic and I still stand by what I said. Even that youtuber Imaginary Axis says Hulk was hit from behind by lightening.
14. You see our Superman and their Batman talking about it at the very end of the cut scene. Also if anything they put communism in a good light because Red Son Superman looked out for everyone while the American capitalists were on the attack.
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If you agree then please start deleting some of those fanboyist sounding comments before people start thinking that you're a fanboy. And yes Thor was the Norse god of strength and healing look it up.

https://www.superherodb.com/hulk-vs-wonder-woman-superman/90-325238/#

https://www.superherodb.com/thor-vs-hulk/90-69/

And you said "Hulk's stories are usually better." I have a question for you which Hulk comics would you recommend for someone who wants to get more into the Hulk as a character? I've already read World War Hulk, Planet Hulk, the comic run that introduced us Red Hulk (which I mainly did because three of its issues had Thor in them, and of course all those comics that had Hulk and Thor fighting so I could make my own list of all their fights.
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1: well, it was very contextual as in he only died at the hands of a weapon of his creation and he later (after coming back) revealed that it was part of his plan later. Bty Hulk's strength isn't the only thing that rises with his rage, all of his stats do. If you want proof that here you go: 1: when Hulk isn't that angry Wolverine can keep up with and damage him but when he's extremely angry like in Indestructible Hulk he could race Mjolnir w weapon that could fly across the galaxy and come back in a minute. and keep up with Silver Surfer someone who can cross multiple galaxies in barley any time 2: when he isn't that angry his durability is so weak that Spider-Man and Iron Fist can hurt him but when he's extremely angry powerhouses like Black Bolt and Thor have trouble hurting him 3: when he's not that angry his healing factor isn't fast enough to save him from Wolverine's Adiantum but when he's much angrier he can almost instantly heal even from missing limbs. But yeah the only reason I brought up The Presence was to show why no limits fallacies are bad like I've said for the third time already.
2: yeah, I know I only brought it up because you said "Wolverine should always have a beard" and I explained why that's not the case. And that link kinda makes sense because Hulk was basically killed by the gamma bomb, whenever Banner dies the Hulk takes control until transforming back into a resurrected Banner and the cycle repeats. But that's not true immortality because he can still be killed if you overtax his healing factor; to be fair you'd have to be as powerful as Lord Thor (a Skyfather who surpassed Odin) or Onslaught (a being who wields the powers of Franklin Richards a kid who was stated to be equal to the Celestials who are comparable to Galactus) if you even want a chance of doing that. So in the end Hulk can be resurrected and the Hulk persona is immortal but Hulk can still die which I've already proven bty.
4: which theoretically shouldn't happen because if the Hulk isn't smart enough to beat down a Viking god he sure as heck would have trouble figuring out that being angry won't solve anything. And I was talking about how sometimes he'll switch back to Banner after a fight best examples of this are in Hulk #6 after him and Thor defeat Red Hulk, in Thor vs Hulk Champions of the Universe, and basically any time where Hulk is hit with an explosion that turns him back into Banner.
6: didn't the comic make it very clear that the Illuminati had not other choice because Hulk was too crazy and unpredictable? And yes that makes much more sense and is much more accurate.
7: how is Hulk's healing factor different from Logan's and Deadpool's other than it being tied to his rage while Deadpool and Logan's are always at full power?
8: same could be said for why Thor gets help while Hulk fights alone. And yes I know the Spectre must always have a host to balance out his need for vengeance and justice which I believe is nicely went over in one of the character files for the Injustice Gods Among Us mobile game which dose count because the Spectre is a nexus being (there is only one of him in the multiverse).
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9: but that comic had nothing to do with Savage Hulk unless you're trying to say that Hulk was Savage Hulk. And wasn't that victory a cheap shot?
10: once again you're using the no limits fallacy that Hulk will always get stronger even though his feats clearly put him beneath Thanos and if he was always getting stronger by the second then why was Thor able to lock arms with him for an hour with neither of them getting an upperhand? Why was he subdued by chains in the first issue of Planet Hulk? And why was he defeated by numerous different heroes and villains? The fallacy based on what the writers said doesn't add up at all. It actually works like this: if Hulk doesn't get any angrier he could stay at the same power level but if Hulk get angrier then his power level rises but he isn't constantly getting more powerful as time progresses he's getting more powerful as he gets angrier but if he gets calmer he will start to weaken until he turns back into Banner. Understand? http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/33119/987832-613508_thn_super.jpg
11: oh, that makes perfect sense.
12: even though Thor was clearly in front of Hulk? Hulk saw Thor making the gesture and given his speed feats he could easily react to Thor's lightning and if Quicksilver can react to it Hulk should have no problem doing the sand. So it wasn't really a cheap shot unless you count hitting someone in the back as a cheap shot and even if it was it's not nearly as bad as what Hulk has done to Thor.
14: oh, I remember https://youtu.be/3cMJiObF_iY but how do you know that that was our Post Crisis Superman? And I ­čĺ» percent agree with you on the Red Sun thing.
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Supporting a character doesn't automatically make me a fanboy. I haven't been disrespectful while making points about the Hulk so I don't think anyone's going to think I'm a fanboy. However I will look over them again and delete those that do sound bad.
The Hulk stories during and after Original Sin were excellent namely the Omega Hulk story. The Original Sin story really gets things of to a good start because it turns what you now on it's head (I won't spoil anything but it is good). I wouldn't recommend the Awesome Hulk stories, they were weird. Pretty much anything with Red Hulk is usually good. I have mixed feelings about Immortal Hulk. It's an excellent story but he's very different (maybe too different) to normal Hulk.
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2. Sure Hulk can technically die but he'll come back immediately which is nice
4. Hulk is child-like and even children realise anger won't always get them what they want.
6. The thing is heroes always try and find a way. If they can consistency spare villains lives surely trying to help their friend shouldn't have been that hard.
7. I believe it's because Hulk's one gets stronger while Wolverine's will stay the same
8. There was a bio on Spectre in the Injustice Gods Among Us mobile game? I had that app but I never knew. How to you find it?
9. Some of Thor's wins can be considered cheap or out of context too.
10. Thanos was always going to have better feats because he's the Avenger's main villain. Hulk needs to get angry to get strong. For that he usually needs to start losing first. I believe he was weakened on Sakaar. Every hero's been defeated many times over and beaten at their own game. Superman loses despite being the man who saves the day and Flash has been outraced or tied a few times.
12. In the heat of the fight you'd expect Thor to use his hammer or attack from the front. It was a smart move from Thor to attack from behind where no one would expect it.
14. I can't say for certain he's that Superman but I believe it's implied. Red Son Superman was my favourite version
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But acting like a character is unbeatable and claiming to know said character wins makes one sound like a fanboy. And I never said you were a fanboy, I said you sounded like one. Also you made some claims here that you might want to judge.
Thanks I'll check those comics out as for Thories (Thor stories) I'll recommend J Michael Straczynski's run on Thor which modernizes him while bringing him back after his "death" in Ragnorok, Thor (2011) by Matt Fraction alongside Journey Into Mystery by Kieron Gillen (which has Fear Itself in it) then go to Siege by the god himself Brian Michael Bendis then read God of Thunder by Jason Aaron. Then you're going to see a new era for Thor the Jason Aaron era starting with God of Thunder and still going to this day. Original Sin is the first step in Thor's fall from grace, then read the Jane Foster Thor arc alongside Unworthy Thor after that you have Thor At the Gates of Valhalla, Thor (2018) by Jason Aaron then you should be at War of the Realms where Thor currently is. If you want to see the true power of Thor then read Thor: World Engine by Stan Lee, Thor Lord of Asgard, Thor Lord of Earth, Thor the Reigning, Thor Ragnoroks (the comic), the classic Journey Into Mystery, etc.
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2: it also adds a new layer to him and makes him a bit more like Doomsday.
4: makes sense. You're also ignoring all the other times I've brought up Hulk reverting back into Banner.
6: the thing is that most of those villains are a LOT easier to contain than the Hulk is because those villains aren't going to get stronger while Hulk is as long as he gets angrier he'll get stronger.
7: yeah I kinda mentioned that.
8: scratch that. The character bio was from DC Universe Online, NOT Injustice: Gods Among Us. Sorry about that mistake, I had my list all screwed up. Wait, hold up how did we get here? Weren't we supposed to be talking about Thor and Hulk not the Spectre? Anyways I brought this point up because neither of these guys are stronger than the other just because of who they fight and how they do it.
9: yeah, I have to admit it.
10: I kinda agree but remember it takes time for Hulk to get angry and it'll take him a while to surpass Thanos unless he (Hulk) has something to make him angry like one of his allies dying to make him World Breaker. He only became weaker because of an obedience disk which wasn't on him at that point. The reason I brought up Hulk not being unbeatable is because you're kinda acting like he is. Fun fact: Superman almost beat Flash in a race before Flash took all his kinetic energy and beat him.
12: agreed
14: cool I liked Red Sun Superman too but my favorite has always been the New 52 Superman (I know that's an unpopular one).
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I've never said Hulk is unbeatable and I actually gave Kitty Pryde as an example of someone who the Hulk would struggle to beat no matter how strong.
Thanks
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4. There are special ways to forcibly turn Hulk into Banner but usually it's when he calms down.
6. Why not try and find a cure for the Hulk or actually leave the Hulk alone. Doc Samson cured him once and Hulk doesn't really go rampaging unprovoked.
10. It really doesn't take that long for Hulk to get that strong. Because of his child-like mind hurting him in battle would anger him more that a normal person. I've never once said Hulk was unbeatable. It's usually for charity when Flash lets Superman come close otherwise he'd leave him in the dust.
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Are you paying attention? I said you were "acting" like he was unbeatable on those pages that I gave you.
You're welcome, I hope you enjoy those comics; in my humble opinion Thor is THE best hero to come out of Marvel and the thing is that he's not Marvel but actually a god from Norse Mythology.
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4: since when did a big explosion count as one of those ways? BTY I kinda want to add something here as in Heart of the Monster it was stated that Hulk never reached his full potential for infinite strength because Banner was suppressing him and when he went World Breaker he lost all control over the Hulk form which means there is no reason for Hulk to not be infinite at this point which is why I said World Breaker is the strongest Hulk can get. And Hulk also needs something to make him that angry to even get to World Breaker level because one incident can only make him so angry and Hulk is not a weapon like Doomsday rather an animal meaning he'll calm down eventually as all animals do which is another reason he's never shown infinite strength.
6: probably because most of those cures work as well as Arkham dose and the Illuminati despite having some of the smartest minds on earth didnt have access to any of those cures and he couldn't contain him long enough to cure him.
10: then why have so many other heroes kept up with him, locked arms with him, and even beat him? Again I never said you said he was unbeatable I said you were acting like he was on those pages.
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Then you've gotten the wrong impression.
Really? Thor's powerful but I've never found much to him. I believe Cyclops and the X-Men were the best thing to come from Marvel. They were more relatable and Cyclops was the greatest hero that ever lived
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4. Anger has no 100% capacity in that you never know hen you fully reach your max anger. You can always get angrier. Hulk was mostly achieving what he wanted so he didn't really have much reason to remain at the anger levels he was initially.
6. Why not reason with the Hulk or actually leave him alone. He's not a bad guy
10. I could also ask how is Captain Cold and the others even a Flash villain. It makes for better stories I suppose
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Uh, okay,
Yes, I do too love the X-men especially all new X-men which brought back and modernized Jean Grey (my second favorite character) and I've also found the X-men relatable.

4: oh, are you a being made out of rage? Because that's what the Hulk entity is. And I don't think Hulk wanted one of his allies to die at the end of WWH.
6: 1: how well dose that usually work out? 2: they stated that he was WAY to unpredictable to keep on Earth, even if they could leave him alone he also loves to fight and destroy things which makes him even more dangerous.
10: what dose that have to do with anything? And the reason they can keep up with the Flash is because A: Flash also holds back power B: they are metahumans with the speed to contend C: Flash usually defeats them all eventually.
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I actually really disliked Wolverine and his X-Men after X-Men Schism. They were very hypercritical while Cyclops always took they're insults and attacks without responding dispute being in the right.

4. Hulk's friends dying was towards the end of the comic
6. Professor X in the past has always reprimanded his X-Men whenever they attacked the Hulk, telling them Hulk just wants to be left alone and their friend Banner is still in there. Namor always had Hulk's back. Stark was one of Banner's closest friends. Just to name a few. Heroes always find a way. I feel as though they chose the easy option.
10. My point being in theory Hulk shouldn't be beaten or challenged the way he is just like how the Flash shouldn't have a problem with his foes but it makes for better stories if they struggle.
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Okay, I have a question: did you like Cyclops' adventures after AVX where they turned him into an anti hero?

4: which is what pushed him into World Breaker mode
6: not always but they usually do. Remember that Hulk was a bit to dangerous and he's even broken through classic Dr Strange's shields which mean even he couldn't restrain an angry Hulk for long and then what's stoping him from destroying something weather on purpose or accident? The point is the Illuminati has very little choice and did what they had to do.
10: but the thing is this isn't in theory it's based on the feats and lore that surround the characters. Sorry
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His adventures after AvX were him at his best I'd argue. He was never really an anti-hero though. What did he actually do wrong? Mutants were being born again despite the attacks from the Avengers and Wolverine, he accidentally killed Professor X in self-defence while possessed by the Phoenix (Jean Grey and Scarlet Witch had done so much worse yet they're still loved) and he went on to save new mutants from being arrested by racist police officers and Avengers. His mutant revolution was just a peaceful gathering outside the White House to show the world that mutants aren't dangerous.

6. Then they should prepare for those worst case scenarios. Thor, Silver Surfer and Rick Jones are reliable ways of controlling the Hulk. They could have worked with Banner himself given he's like the 4th smartest person in Marvel. It's different if Hulk was just some uncontrollable monster but he wasn't. He used to be their friend.
10. Feats can be misleading and you often get contracting evidence
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I agree, they really made Cyclops his own stand alone character without needing to be in Wolverine and Jean's shadows which is something long overdue because he was kind of pushed to the side in more modern comics. "What did he do wrong?" I don't know maybe prepare an entire generation for a war with humanity while acting as a sort of terrorist during some of his campaigns and becoming so messed up that Beast thought he should mess with time in order to get the classic X-men into the modern era so they could have a chat with him which failed miserably and gave us All New X-men. Jean Grey was not loved after the Phoenix Saga, there is a comic called "the Trial of Jean Grey" I'm which the all new Jean Grey is still hated for something a different version of her from a different timeline did decades ago. I can't really defeat Wanda after House of M and Excalibur. In the TPB Yesterday's X-men we see Cyclops claim that it wasn't him who killed Charles Xavier. And I don't remember his revolution not being dangerous; wasn't he preparing for was as shown in Yesterday's X-men?

6: uh, Thor died in Ragnorok and was left out of comics for over three years of IRL time or multiple universe changing events like Civil War, Avengers Disassemble, and House of M so Thor was off limits at the time. Silver Surfer rarely ever comes to Earth except for cosmic level events usually involving Galactus and Thanos so he was also off limits, Even Rick Jones can't keep Hulk at bay forever, Banner has spent decades of in universe time trying to do something about the Hulk and how well dose it usually work? The Hulk entity usually is an uncontrollable rage monster who can surpass magic and cosmic power, the only thing preventing him from destroying everything was Banner's limited control. Like I said they basically ran out of choices.
10: I know but that's what we are supposed to use in vs debates.
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Cyclops has always been his own thing. He never did say he wanted a war though. The word he kept using was a mutant revolution. He did say if you hurt innocents whether human or mutant he would come for you but that's as aggressive as it got. He never committed terrorist attacks. Even when the Avengers cornered his X-Men he just froze them and left. Beast jeopardising the timeline was his own fault not Cyclops. The young X-Men went on to leave Beast and joined Cyclops. Even when Jean was on trail the X-Men still had her back. They named the school after her.

6. Even so the smartest minds in Marvel didn't realise that the Hulk won't retaliate if you leave him alone. Sure there's a small chance Hulk might do devastating damage but the same can be said about Thor or Sentry or any OP character in Marvel.
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But he did say that Xavier wanted his mustangs to be warriors in one of the earlier issues of All New X-men. "He never committed any terrorist attacks" oh are you forgetting about when he broke into facilities To get the new mutants or how he took over s facility to make his new Xavier school? I also did like how aggressive that version of Cyclops was, it added a more edgy take on him. And I never said Beast jeopardizing the timeline was Scott's fault, now did I?

6: you're ignoring the fact that sometimes Hulk WANTS to fight and if he lets lose then...just read Heart of the Monster and see for yourself. And at least Thor and Sentry know when to hold back and are a lot more mindful of collateral damage than the Hulk ever was.

Here are some things I'd like to add to other points like here at Point 8: if we use the logic of Hulk being stronger than Thor because he fights alone then that would mean Daredevil is > Darkseid because Darkseid uses amps like the ALE and help from other New Gods and his Parademon army all the time. And I'd like to add to your " their enemies differ because of who they are" with this: same goes for what methods they use and what skills they bring, it doesn't mean either of them is stronger than the other. Point 10: making a better story is not an in universe answer for a character to show limits, you need an in universe one for vs debates. And Point 2 (I think): where you said "Hulk's healing factor will get stronger whereas Deadpool's will stay the same." While that is true Hulk's healing factor on its own also doesn't mean immortality because his can weaken if he calms down (which he's prone to doing) meaning it on it's own isn't what makes him basically immortal.

And this: "are you saying Thor is 100 times stronger than WBH?" No I was just using an analogy back on the Thor vs Hulk page. I never once said Thor was stronger than any Hulk yet alone WBH, heck WBH should literally be infinitely stronger than Thor.
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Cyclops only ever wanted his younger students to be ready if the fight ever came their way. Wolverine twisted that into thinking he was OK with child soldiers. He used the old weapon X facility as his new Xavier school. The only time he broke the law was when he recused mutant children who were unfairly arrested and weren't going to get a trail because they were mutants. He was still a good guy he just wasn't going to be Mr boy scout anymore because it wasn't working.

6. I've never known Hulk to just fight for no reason. Throughout the years Hulk is usually the one attacked and he usually runs away as soon as he gets an opening. If Hulk ever did cause trouble then they should just deal with it. Banishing Hulk off the planet was a very extreme decision.

I never said being alone means your stronger. What I meant was that in a lot of the cases it's usually Hulk vs Thor and the Avengers or some other help. Thor usually has help while Hulk doesn't. It's a testament to Hulk's strength that he's able to hold off the Avengers often by himself. The Immortal Hulk comics explain better how Hulk was immortal all along.
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Yeah that sounds completely right. I agree.

6: Hulk smash Avengers and Heart of the Monster, read them. Imagine Hulk unintentionally destroying the planet with a footsteps if something bad happened to say Rick Jones (or something else to push him into World Breaker mode) which was completely possible in a world as dangerous as Marvel. Again I never once said the Illuminati were right I merely added some context and justified what they did because in the end they really didn't have a choice. But at least Hulk got some well deserved payback in World War Hulk.

Oh, that makes Infinity more scenes; thanks for clearing that up.
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6. Even in Hulk smash Avengers Hulk was ambushed a few times by the Avengers and all he'd do is knock them away and run. There's a lot of dangerous people out there. Dr Doom could ruin the space-time continuum at any moment, people like Cletus Kasidy and Norman Osborn are too dangerous to be left alive and Scarlet Witch is one bad day from ruining reality again (she should have been arrested a long time ago). These are all problems that could also be resolved if they're banished or killed but they aren't because that's not what heroes do. Hulk was a founding member of the Avengers and Banner was a close personal friend of many Illuminati members and yet they couldn't make an exception for him.
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Off topic bty but did you upvote my comment? If so why?

I want to add something here that I forgot to add earlier: I liked how Cyclops was much more aggressive after AVX, I've always thought Marvel and DC heroes always expected one another to be perfect and how it was almost hypocritical for them especially the Marvel ones because Marvel has heroes like 1: angry thunder god who loves to fight (Thor), psychopath schizophrenic nuke Superman (Sentry), a being literally powered by rage (the Incredible Hulk), a guy who helped Galactus destroy entire civilizations (Silver Surfer), a girl who is literally possessed by an entity that wants to destroy all things (Jean Grey, Rachel Summers, Hope Summers take your pick), for DC you have demon lady Raven, screws up the timeline in a Flash (Barry Allen) etc and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah I just wanted to get that point out their, that's all.

6: you're forgetting that Hulk is always starting those brawls with the Avengers. If you were to send Doom into space he'd simply find a cosmic god like the Beyonder or Phoenix Force and harness its power to make himself nigh omnipotent then return literally infinitely more dangerous, I can't really justify Wanda after House of M so I'll give you that, Norman Osborn is a villain who the heroes try to contain just like Dr Doom, and don't even think about asking "why they didn't do that to Bob Reynolds the Sentry?" Because they did something much worse to him _Siege #4 read it. And I agree with that last part bty.

And here's something I'd like to add to that "Hulk taking on the Avengers by himself" feat: another testament to Hulk's strength is that his most impressive victories and feats come from his own power while Thor usually has amps like the Odin Force and Belt of Strength and Hulk usually doesn't use weapons while Thor almost always has Asgardian armor and Mjolnir and without them he can barley keep up with Hulk as shown in Thor (1966) #385.

Also you claimed that I was a Thor fanboy but if that were the case then why didn't I bring up his best feats like reversing an engine that held up an infinite amount of universes or knocking out the Phoenix Force with one swing from Mjolnir? All I did was bring up the fact that Thor holds back which has been stated multiple times and has even been shown to us literally just as often.
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I did upvote it because I respected what you said. I don't know why more people don't upvote things here.
Agreed.
6. Didn't Thor kill Sentry in that issue or was that something else?
Good point.
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Private Private comment.
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I don't know why either.
6: yes it was in that issue https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Siege-2010/Issue-4?id=34764

Well that's that, I have to say this was probably the best debate both of us have been in since we first joined the site, you are a worthy debater, an honorable user, and a good friend and I hope to see you around more often until then remember https://youtu.be/ycCAHYvAUl4 also please let me know if you're also proud of this debate.

@ClintBarton is that supposed to be a private comment?
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@Dark and @Tyrannus I wanted to say, in canon, only Doom, Logan and Thor lived from old ones. *Plis Gorr and Loki*
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What? Also you can make that private comment visible by editing it if you'd like.
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@Dark_Wing I feel exactly the same. Your a good debater too and my favourite person here too. This was a good debate.
@Clint_Barton The timeline is always changing. There have been many visions of Hulk outliving most of the heroes in Marvel
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Thanks my friend, I'm kinda surprised I'm still you're favorite user here. But I have to admit something: before I came to debate here I was pretty much traumatized (to a point where I was literally going insane IRL because I couldn't move on for multiple reasons which I'd gladly explain in greater detail if you'd like. I'm almost never like that though and I'm normally a decent sport about losing the reason I was going insane was because I kinda let lose on two of my friends on this site and realized that a curtain user might have been right in calling me the worst debater) by the humiliation of pretty much getting debunked by Breaker on the Thor vs Hulk page and spend hours preparing for this debate before letting loose like my reputation as a debater depended on it (because it kinda did, duh) and during my prep I read most of the comics that included Thor vs Hulk fights and re-read parts of World War Hulk and the Heart of the Monster storyline that people always told me about to fully understand how the Hulk works and to be fully prepared for this debate and after doing that I kinda got a newfound respect for the Hulk and his fan base and if you've seen my more recent debate with Breaker you'd see me being a lot more respectful in them. Also if like to say two things: 1: I answered your reply here https://www.superherodb.com/forum/characters-you-hate-the-most/100-3862/ and showed you my debunk of a "Hulk is weak" list I found, it's on my page if you want to see it. And I'd also like to say I changed my vote on the Thor vs Hulk page for a few reasons which I'd also explain if you'd like.
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I would like to hear to explain further. Your one of the best debators here because your one of the few people who's willing to apologise or have an open mind in debates.
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I was LITERALLY going insane because of the humiliation of losing to @Breaker (who is often seen as a bad debater, I don't think he's that bad he's a decent debater in his own right though very few people on this site will agree to that) having the inability to disprove him knowing he was just taking scans out of context and denying FACTS about comics (like Thor never using his full might on the Hulk because he doesn't want to murder his), being unable to debunk those arguments, thinking they sounded fanboyist yet being unable to disprove them, and how I went completely crazy on both you and Breaker and hurled insults at both of you. Later, MUCH later I was like "I cannot take this anymore choosing to stop running away from the problem that making me go crazy. I took some time to prepare with some facts and notes before apologizing on your profile and the rest is history. The reason I chose to apologize to you first is because you're literally infinitely more reasonable than @Breaker could ever dream of being. Fun fact @Breaker hates me right now and thinks I hate the Hulk. I completely agree with you here "good debaters are willing to apologise or have an open mind in debates." And this debate kinda reminds me of World War Hulk vs Sentry with me being Sentry or Thor vs the Maestro in Ghosts of the Future part 5 of 5 with me being Thor. Any questions? Oh, and you still haven't answered my reply here https://www.superherodb.com/darkwing/1000-39927/messages/
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That sums it up. I read that reply
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Do you actually think I'm the worst debater and that I don't read comics?
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No. What made you think that?
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Because on the Thor v Hulk page you said "I've read all those comics I'm not sure why you don't." BTY I'm actually reviewing all the Thor vs Hulk fights because that video missed a few and ignored the context for some of the other fights. And the reason I said "Thor doesn't even need Mjolnir to beat Hulk" is because if he didn't have it Hulk won't be able to blindside him with it and Thor can still use thunder without it.
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I didn't mean you don't read comics at all. We've already seen what Thor's like without Mjolner when Jane Foster had it. Thor wasn't useless but he wasn't all that impressive either
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"I didn't mean you don't read comics at all."

Then what did you mean? And without Mjolnir Thor should still have the same strength, speed, intelligence, skill, durability, etc as he did when he had it.
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Mjolnir makes a big difference given that it's one of the most powerful weapons in comics.
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Correction: mightiest weapon of the Norse Gods. And no Thor and Hulk are shown to be equals in Defenders #10 1973 Mjolnir only amps Thor's striking power because it's a hammer and Thor's a pretty strong guy but here Thor arm wrestles Hulk to a standstill (and doesn't Hulk look tired after that and despite arm wrestling for over an hour his "always getting stronger" facility didn't save him) and in Journey Into Mystery Thor is stated to be faster and more skilled than the Hulk and they basically battle to a standstill before Mjolnir comes back to Thor and Thor basically forfeits and they go there separate ways. Remember classic Thor was dependent on Mjolnir for his power while modern Thor is not nearly as dependent on Mjolnir as classic Thor. Keep that in mind my friend. But their you have it why I said "Thor didn't need Mjolnir to beat Hulk if he didn't hold back"
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I didn't say Mjolnir was THE greatest weapons but it's up there. Hulk doesn't look like he's getting too angry though. Hulk was gaining the upper hand in that battle which actually proves Hulk would win if Thor didn't have Mjolnir.
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Ignore this, I have had a slight change of opinion on the Thor vs Hulk matchup altogether. I used to think it was like Batman vs Superman where Superman could effortlessly one shot Batman but he won't because of his morals, same goes for Thor and Hulk. But now I see it like: Thor could easily decimate Hulk with a GodBlast but wouldn't because he enjoys fighting as all Asgardians do (which is another reason for him holding back) but Hulk can use this against Thor like he did in Hulk: Let the Battle Begin where Thor is clearly shown to be the more powerful of the two and beats Hulk into submission but instead of finishing it he starts bragging which makes Hulk angrier and then he overpowers Thor by hitting him with his own hammer. The Hulk entity also takes the time to enjoy fights rather than punching say Abomination into space or something like that and that's why he'll also let Thor land thunderstrikes on him, Hulk also doesn't know how devastating Thor's lightning can be which is why he didn't try to dodge them in either Fear Itself or Hulk 2001. I could write an entire essay on this but right now I'm going to make a rebuttal despite now seeing things in Hulk's favor, and here it is: 1: you said it's one of the strongest in comics 2: I didn't really notice that though I'll add it to my analysis of the Hulk vs Thor fights 3: that was because Thor at that point was a gentle lame doctor called Donald Blake without Mjolnir and in Journey Into Mystery by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby Odin gave Thor five minutes to test his power against Hulk without weapons and he fought evenly with him until the fight was broken up with no clear winner. Remember the modern Thor doesn't have the same Donald Blake gimmick which means that based on this feat he should at least fight him to a stalemate. Though I do agree that in the end Hulk would beat a hammerless Thor with very high difficulty morals on and mid to low difficulty if both were bloodlusted (which means the Hulk entity won't be taking the time to enjoy a fight with the God of Thunder). Let me know what you think about this.
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In Hulk: Let the Battle Begin Thor was stronger at first but as expected Hulk only gets stronger and overcame Thor. Thor didn't really brag much. Before the fight turned around Thor asked Hulk to give up. With most of Hulk's enemies, they start the fight with him rather than Hulk starting it.

When Thor fought without Mjolnir he wasn't really fighting evenly, Hulk was gaining the upper hand. Hulk left after seeing Mjolnir because he knew it would make a massive difference.

I'd argue that apart from nigh-omnipotent weapons like the Infinity Gauntlet or a white lantern ring, Mjolnir (or even better Stormbreaker) is one of the best weapons you can have.
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"Thor wasn't really bragging that much" oh, did you miss the part where Thor literally called himself "the better man?" Also Hulk merely caught him by surprise.

I'm referring to Journey Into Mystery because that's when Thor was offered a chance by Odin to fight with Hulk bare handed.

I'd agree because of it's versatility but why is Stormbreaker (I'm assuming you're referring to Beta Ray Bill's hammer and not Thor's axe in Infinity War and Endgame) better than Mjolnir?
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"Hulk merely caught him by surprise". Thor was facing Hulk when he asked him to yield with Hulk on his knees. Thor should have seen this coming.
I know. That's what I meant too.
It's always been the hammer that Thor wants. Stormbreaker's user and shape is better than Mjolnier's too I'd say
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Unfortunately he didn't because of what us vs debaters like to call "writer introduced stupidity" (when an ignorant writer introduces something that is very inconsistent with the characters examples of this are 1: Captain America defeating the Hulk 2: Batman being able to fight evenly with the Flash, 3: Thor being able to injure beings like the Phoenix Force and Chaos King, etc)
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I don't think that was poor writing. Thor made Hulk angry so he overcame Thor which Thor didn't see.
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I've explained this on the Hulk vs Superman and Wonder Woman page and I don't feel like repeating myself so let's finish this segment their.
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Do you prefer Clone Wars Project Multi Media or the TCW show and why?
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What's the CWPMM?
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This https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_multimedia_project
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They look like the same thing
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They're not. Here's a video of someone talking about it and how TCW doesn't fit in legends https://youtu.be/n8a0gaa0olU
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https://youtu.be/Hl2K78KJA3I
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Why?
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Why not?
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https://www.superherodb.com/black-racer-vs-black-flash/90-124504/#
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Why do you hate Dark Empire?
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Who said I hate DE?
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You said you hated it here https://www.superherodb.com/forum/the-star-wars-questionnaire/100-3766/
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I didn't think it was a good story. Sidious was portrayed quite weak at times and inconstant, Luke was supposed to be the perfect jedi who always resisted the dark side but he joins Sidious and Sidious even coming back ruined Vader's character arc as the chosen one bringing balance to the force. With that said I don't hate it, it just undermined ROTJ
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What do you mean "Palpatine was weak in DE?" He threw planet sized storms with The Force, slaughtered an entire rebel fleet with hid Force powers, and defeated the great Luke Skywalker amped by Leia's Force Harmony in order to beat him (and even then all they did was kill one of his clones), and it took the sacrifice of one of the most powerful Jedi's spirits to contain him permanently. Luke was never the perfect Jedi, that's one I hate about Star Wars fans they completely disgrace the characters, viewing Darth Vader as nexus of evil when he's actually a tragic tortured hero, viewing Luke as the perfect Jedi Messiah when he was very obviously tempted by the Dark Side on several occasions. Heck if you think that Dark Empire ruined Luke then watch The Last Jedi https://youtu.be/Td4AQZMTkTQ. Luke is relatively young at that point and made the arrogant decision to think that he could resist the Dark Side's influence, and failed miserably. When I first read the comic I thought Anakin's arc ruined but it wasn't, Anakin throwing down the Emperor was about the choice he made to chose his son over the Dark Side and because of that he brought balance to the Force (for a time).
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His body couldn't last without rotting away, he get shot in the back and what makes him so strong is what makes him so weak. I personally think Obi-Wan was the perfect jedi but Luke was supposed to be what Anakin would have been had he not turned. I agree, Vader wasn't pure evil, he had good reasons for turning because he genuinely believed that it was for the greater good. TLJ is awful. I hated TFA too but TLJ surpassed that in ruining star wars. The thing is Anakin was supposed to be the one to destroy the sith but in the end it was Luke and his friends. What was the point of the prophecy.
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"He couldn't last without his body was rotting away" that's called Dark Side degradation, nearly all Sith suffer from that. 0He got shot in the head so what makes him so powerful also makes him weaker" he was focusing all his efforts into possessing Anakin Solo and would've been able to block that blaster shot if he noticed it before he was shot, and even then it took The spirit of every deceased Jedi just to keep him in the realm of chaos. Luke was what Anakin would of been, much like Anakin he thought he could fake turning to the Dark Side and back stab Palpatine after learning what he needed. In my opinion Yoda is the perfect Jedi not Obi-Wan. Why do you hate TFA? I thought it was a decent movie all though I would of rather see the NJO or something similar. Anakin destroy the Sith, Palpatine actually died and his spirit had to possess a clone then he has to spent 10 years in higher than before he could rise again. Correction Luke, hid sister and The spirit of every deceased Jedi what were officially defeated Palpatine.
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Why didn't he just kill everyone (except the baby) then possess Anakin Solo? It wasn't really much effort to contain his spirit. Anakin willingly gave in to the dark side. Palpatine was his friend, his intentions to betray him came after Padme died. Good point about Yoda but I feel like Obi-Wan was tested more and always resisted the dark side while keeping true to the jedi ways. We see more of Obi-Wan than Yoda. TFA was a copy paste of ANH but worse. You know what I meant. As long as Palpatine was alive, the sith lived on which undermined Anakin's decision. Also how did your reply split separately from the others?
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I'm not sure about why he didn't do that. What do you mean it didn't take much effort to contain his spirt? It took EVERY SINGLE DECEASED JEDI TO CONTAIN HIS SPIRIT. Of course Obi-Wan was tested more because he was on the front lines a lot more than Yoda was, Yoda also has been tested by the Dark Side https://youtu.be/sWComeA6_nU. TFA isn't a copy and paste ANH sure it borrows elements from ANH but they change enough stuff about it that I don't think it should be called "copy and paste ANH." "How did your reply is separate from the others" the Dark Side of The Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.I'm not sure about why he didn't do that. What do you mean it didn't take much effort to contain his spirt? It took EVERY SINGLE DECEASED JEDI TO CONTAIN HIS SPIRIT. Of course Obi-Wan was tested more because he was on the front lines a lot more than Yoda was, Yoda also has been tested by the Dark Side https://youtu.be/sWComeA6_nU. TFA isn't a copy and paste ANH sure it borrows elements from ANH but they change enough stuff about it that I don't think it should be called "copy and paste ANH." "How did your reply is separate from the others" the Dark Side of The Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
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The dead jedi weren't exactly doing anything. I suppose that's why Yoda's the Grand Master but Obi-Wan went through so much more hardship. I have no doubt Yoda would have done the same too though. Giving the plans to a droid then running away from a masked villain and his soldiers to the good guys casually flying in and destroying a death star. When I watched TFA I realised it mid-way and it became so predicable after that. The First Order is a joke, they never put up a challenge. You doubled your answer twice over
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"The dead Jedi weren't exactly doing anything" then why were they needed to contain Palpatine's spirit? Obi-Wan went through more hardship during the Clone Wars but in general Yoda was over 800 years old so I assume he went through more stuff in his life, I agree there. That and a few other call backs are the only copy and paste stuff from ANH. The First Order isn't as much of a joke as the Empire what is portrayed in Rebels.
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They came to help because they were needed but nothing was lost by them all holding Sidious. There was never any doubt that the good guys were in any trouble. Rey with no training beats Anakin Skywalker's experienced grandson, the Resistance effortlessly destroys an even bigger death star. There's no struggle. The empire in Rebels was useless as well. In TCW battle droids could kill jedi but a stormtrooper can't shoot an unarmed rebel at point blank?
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I agree with those first two points. That's because Kylo Ren was CONFLICTED and HOLDING BACK that's how Luke beat Vader and no one calls Luke a Mary Sue. In ANH the rebels also had a somewhat easy time destroying the Death Star. Battle droids weren't consistently able to kill Jedi and more times than not they lost. In the Original Trilogy the stormtroopers were ordered to hold back against Luke and Han.
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Why was he holding back? If he wanted her alive all he needed to do was force pull the lightsaber from her. She had to training. Suddenly she can beat an expert. Luke spent some time training with Yoda and he still rightfully lost in ESB. The rebels knew about a weakness in the death star and Vader was killing them off 1 by 1 anyway until Han saved them. In the right scenario battle droids could kill jedi. There was no plot armour. I meant the troopers in Rebels.
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He was conflicted because he just killed his father. When he fought Finn, he was obviously just toying with him until Ren decided to punch him then slice them across the back. When Ren Who is already injured and conflicted (because he just told his father) failed to pull lightsaber it instead went to Rey, this surprised and he decided to engage her in a duel, Kylo was destroying her that entire fight and could've just pushed her into that trench but instead he wanted her to come with him that's why he said "you need a teacher I can show you the ways of The Force" then she used The Force and caught him off guard then pummeled him before he could do anything. In my opinion the reason he engage her in a saber fight instead of just force pushing her is probably because A: he's a big fan of Darth Vader who loves to engage hordes of Jedi in saber combat _Star Wars: Purge, I don't think it's too out there to think that Kylo was trying to be like Vader or B: he simply didn't think to force push her or C: The Force simply didn't allow Ren to do that. In ANH Luke what is guided by the ghost of Obi-Wan this is especially shown in Splinter of The Mind's Eye where Luke guided by Kenobi's ghost was able to beat a suppressed Vader. I don't consider that much of a feat to because Luke's raw potential coupled with Kenobi's experience and skill should allow him to accomplish similar feats to what GM Luke was capable of and Vader was heavily suppressed and caught off guard. In the canon Star Wars comic which takes place before ESB, Luke is consistently getting his butt kicked by stormtroopers and bounty hunters who don't have The Force and even after a briefs training session with Yoda (The greatest Jedi of all time) he still only held his own against Vader for as long as he did because Vader was toying with him, he wasn't even trying and he still won with relative ease. I do agree the troops in Rebels are a joke.
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It still doesn't quite explain how Rey seems to always beat everyone without any training. Even Anakin and Luke suffered defeats with years of training.
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Kylo wasn't even trying to hurt Rey and even if he was Rey at that point had literally absorbed all of Ben's training _TLJ novel and have been fighting with the staff her whole life. In the other hand Anakin blew up a trade federation ship when he was nine and won the pod race something that no other human could do, Luke with no training what so ever killed elite stormtrooper and destroyed the Death Star all in one day. And when he finally got brief training from Yoda, he held his own against Vader for five minutes and in RotJ he beat Vader "Vader was surprised with Luke's equal strength to his own" _RotJ novel in case you didn't know Darth Vader is supposed to be one of the greatest Sith in galactic history. That's why I said "no one called Luke a Mary Sue." I was obviously viewing this as how a casual moviegoer would see it ignoring most of the lore.
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I meant in TFA although just absorbing Kylo's knowledge seems like lazy writing. Why do jedi and sith spend years training if they can just copy paste the knowledge from someone else. Anakin had the highest medichlorian count ever and was a natural pilot like Luke. Vader was playing with Luke.
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Also what made Anakin and Luke such naturals at flying and fighting was their force potential which is something Kylo possesses. Rey doesn't
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"Why can't force users just copy and paste each other's knowledge" one explanation is they didn't know that they could do that, remember Snoke is the one who contacted them through the Force and probably knows much more about The Force than say Palpatine or Yoda. Another explanation is that what if that ability was dangerous and Rey was just lucky or something like that? Another explanation I have is that she's a wound in The Force https://youtu.be/qEyq7AiirdQ. Now to the next point, Rey has only shown piloting skills once, that was in TFA when she piloted the falcon, and that was because she's been working on that ship you know doing repairs etc so she should know how to fly it. While on the topic of piloting please notice that Anakin blew up a Trade Federation ship when he was nine years old, Luke blew up a Death Star after first getting into an X-Wing and Rey crashed the Falcon a total of six times during that sequence. Also I want to add one more thing, I don't think it's really fair to compare Rey to Anakin and Luke because both Anakin and Luke have complete trilogies while Rey only has two movies. One more point i'd like to make is that if you at it look at out of context then Luke overpowered one of the greatest Sith Lords in galactic history and resisted the temptation of THE greatest Sith Lord both in canon and legends literally seconds after overpowering Vader, while all Rey did was smack a child with a laser sword them get thrown around by an old dude in a bath robe.
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100% agree with that video. Wish Lucas never sold star wars
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I actually think this new stuff is kind of cool, while the EU felt like an overpowered parody the new stories actually feel like Star Wars (for the most part)
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Did you vote on Red Robin vs Huntress, Batgirl and Robin III vs Robin V?
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Yes I did
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In your opinion, how power is Luke in RotJ?
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I'd say he's average by ROTJ. He has the potential but didn't have the experience.
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Red Robin is basically like Batman but with less experience.
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Agreed, my opinion Luke is extremely powerful especially when you take into consideration how little training he had, but there is no way he could beat Mace Windu, Revan, Starkiller, Yoda, Palpatine, or any higher tier Force user. At least not before Dark Empire.

"Red Robin is basically Batman with less experience"

Nightwing: am I a joke to you?
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I'd say Luke at that point was more on Ahsoka's level. Ahsoka also got a few good hits on Vader while being distracted and that was a Vader that wasn't holding back.

Nightwing is one of the best fighters and should surpass Batman eventually but he's too different. Nightwing is lighter than Batman while Red Hood is a darker version. Red Robin is in the middle and the best successor to Batman.
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I'd say he's on a comparable level to Asajj Ventress as both could hold their own against the masters of their eras and were also stated to be prodigies.

Cassie Cain (don't know much about her so don't ask) > Batman > Nightwing > Tim Drake. Batman has consistently shown to be better than Nightwing, Tim, and Damien in almost every category.
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Agreed but I believe Tim will eventually surpass them all except maybe Orphan.
Batman once got every member of the bat family and made them fight tournament style in groups and in free for all. Tim Drake actually came first, Red Hood came second.
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Cassie and adult Damien would stomp Tim. And When did that happen?
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We don't know how Damian would be when he's older. Batman's already said Tim's the best strategist and the most disciplined in Batman Hush.

I can't remember the comic but I was reminded of it when I saw this picture www.google.com/search?q=tim+drake+facts&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB747GB747&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirl_HFjqLiAhW6TxUIHVOfCU8Q_AUIDigB&biw=1536&bih=754#imgdii=tpcbG6CblyabMM:&imgrc=-snq3e4qqr9VgM:
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I'm not sure how trustworthy those facts are.
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Your profile picture shows Jean Grey Pheonix force. ROTS is definitely my favourite.
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I was just wondering how do you get notified when someone has messaged or replied to you? The only way I find out is by checking my replies but I can't remember them all.
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All those links have merged into one. I don't think this site has a notification box.
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I don't know how you get notified. You might want to put a period after each link you copy and paste to separate them, or just post each link in it's own individual comment.
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I'm afraid that Red Robin looses all of those.
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Hey Tyrannus, want to be friends?
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Sure. You seem like a pretty cool guy and I've noticed we comment on similar battles
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Yeah, I'm a Star Wars fan too.
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Me too. We seem to like similar stuff. I'm guessing your a fan of the pheonix force.
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What's your favourite Star Wars movie?
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What makes you think I'm a fan of the Phoenix Force?

Fave Star Wars movie, either Empire Strikes Back or Revenge of the Sith. Yours?