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EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk My opinion on this has changed but twsais are still strong
MarvelBoy107
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not voted Cosmic Immortal Hulk
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Taurus
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Why don't you vote then?
Mr_Incognito
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Ok, how is this even a debate? CIH > RKT and TWSAIS. How in the hell are TWSAIS above TOBA? The atrocious scaling here is self-evident. CIH slaps.
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EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Cih doesn't scale to toba but okay
Mr_Incognito
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Wow, that might be the worst comment Iā€™ve read in a while. You know that CIH is Hulk possessed by TOBA right?
Taurus
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @EmptyHand Fused Galactus doesn't scale to Franklin Richards.
EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Yes but toba scales beyond beings he controls by a long shot
Taurus
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk
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RajinKabir
RajinKabir 1 y 9 mo 13 d
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Agreed with your vote
EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk You understand that was a planet, right? šŸ¦
Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow Destroying planets is not impressive.
Taurus
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk One-shotting them effortlessly like flies is though.
Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow Base form thor can also do that .
Taurus
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Scans of him crushing countless in his hands please. Scans of him easily killing max power adult Franklin Richards, and max power Galactus and more please.
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 1 y 9 mo 18 d
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk CIH >> 9th cosmos > TWSAIS >> 8th cosmos.
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RajinKabir
RajinKabir 1 y 9 mo 18 d
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk When did the 9th cosmos first appear???
MrJaeger07
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Immortal Hulk #25 I guess @RajinKabir
MrJaeger07
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 1 y 9 mo 17 d
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Wait what!!! So basically the story takes place in the future omniverse ?? I remember the word "cosmos" on that issue.
EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Literally what indicates twsais are below the 9th cosmos lol, legit they're unaffected by any incarnation of the cosmos
MrJaeger07
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @EmptyHand That claim is due to the Outside isn't it? Maybe TWSAIS aren't unaffected by any cosmos but that doesn't put them above Multiverses superior to the 8th cosmos.
RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @Empythand why don't you give your opinion why TWSIAS wins. I believe they don't feed on every story . Only the stories of asgardian gods. Hence they came to loki for the stories. They only appear when ragnarok happens.
EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk They were shown outside multi eternity chilling in the outside when he was collapsing, that's the argument, if you exist in the outside you're logically outside the influence of multi eternity and that's where their home is, CIH took billions of years just to destroy the 8th cosmos just saying
MrJaeger07
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @EmptyHand Being outside Multi-Eternity's influence is a better feat than destroying an entire cosmos? tbh I don't think so, besides CIH destroyed the 9th cosmos, not the 8th, I guess that the ''took him billions of years'' stuff is a bit anti-feat.

@RajinKabir ''They only appear when ragnarok happens.'' Not necessarily.
EmptyHand
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk They're outside any incarnations influence, which is better than destroying the 9th cosmos, and CIH only destroyed the 9th cosmos when it was barely formed, he destroyed the 8th and 9th cosmos, but it took him billions of years to destroy the 8th, so it doesn't even put him above 8th incarnation eternity
Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow Those who sit above in shadows wins.
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RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk No they don't. The one below all is one of the most powerful beings in marvel. So CIH wins
RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Wanna debate??
Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @RajinKabir Of course I wanna debate.
I think in this website this CIH is overrated.
First of all cih is not that much powerful. It took Eons, milllions and billions years for hulk to destroy the whole multiverse , and my question is why? I mean most powerful characters does not need that much time to destroy a multiverse. Take example as shaper of world's. He can create or destroy any multiverse within three or four minutes. Even if you give 3 years time to batman then even batman can make any suit that can destroy the multiverse. Take example as final batsuit . It can also destroy a multiverse. And also marvel has countless multiverses.
2. CIH has defeated galactus and franklin richards. ,but we are not sure how cih killed franklin richards and galactus. And defeating galactus is not a bog deal. Thor's base form has violated galactus at many places. And about franklin richards then we don't know which version of franklin richards was defeated by cih. Younger franklin richards can not control his power properly that's why he is just a mid sky father tier character. And even adult franklin richards can not defeat 3 mad celestials. Even classic odin is enough powerful to face 9 celestials ,and about immortal man is not that much strong. So , i agree cih is strong but I don't think that much as you think. And cih's every feats are debatable cause all of them happened off- screen.
3. TWSAIS exists on outside and Toba exists on below space. Outside>>>below space. Now don't tell me dawn greenwood and silver surfer survived the outside. It was not outside.
3. Those who sit above in shadows exist beyond the true Yggdrasil.
4.Personally i think TWSAIS are house of ideas tier cause in the comics it was indirectly stated that TWSAIS feeds on house of ideas. By the way yesterday you told that no one can access house of ideas except toaa but I didn't find any statement about your theory. And for your kind information Al Ewinh is the writer of loki agent of asgard and house of ideas was established in Al Ewing's comic avengers no road home. And here is Al Ewing's statement https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j4RkGW8oETYMSyvkXuhTbw1jxbMs3_9D/view?usp=drivesdk, so as you can see Al Ewing saying,"It sounds all fair enough. My opinion is that you already have all you need to decide what happened if you want to." That Al Ewing already indirectly approved that Those who sit above in shadows are house of ideas tier.
5. Let's forget house of ideas . It is debatable to say TWSAIS are house of ideas. But still TWSAIS feeds on stories and it is already mentioned in the comics. And that's why TWSAIS are metafictional characters while CIH is just a fictional character.
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RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Well. I will talk about CIH. He is possed by TOBA the evil opposite of toaa. TWSAIS CAN never kill toba. That's for damn sure. But can TWSIAS kill the possed hulk. Can they defeat that body. Cause they don't have any feats. Even if we debate this will end in stalemate at best. But TWSIAS can never win. Cih atleast destroyed a universe . TWSAIS did shit. And again I have read the al Ewing comment. But I said before that isn't canon. He has to write that in comics. He also said "If you want to." That confusing. You still have considered why TWSIAS came to Loki for stories if they just fed on hoi. And if they fed on hoi then
their intervening with lesser events are pointless.
MrJaeger07
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @RajinKabir Bud if you're going to use bad words at least censor them with an * since otherwise your comment is reportable.
RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @MrJaeger07 I am not saying bad things to any person. I am only bad mouthing TWSAIS. Al thought sh*t isn't that big of bad word. Senncor or not people can easily know what I'm saying. Other than that I used "damn". Which shouldn't be a problem.
Also @Tahsin what's your input on TWSIAS.
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Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @RajinKabir Really sorry. I didn't saw your comment.
1. Bro actually it is wrong to say Toba is equal and opposite of toaa. Toaa represents every reader,every writer and every editor of marvel. Toba is not even close to toaa by feats. And immortal hulk's issues are not over. So before all issues are released we can not assume that they are equal to toaa.
2. Wait a minute. Who is the geek who told you TWSAIS are feetless? They are not feetless .
Those who sit above in shadows survived the destruction of the omniverse ,TWSAIS didn't give a shit about multi eternity collapsing and they also exists in oblivion ,Those who sit above in shadows created the ragnarok cycle , and ragnarok is a never ending cycle of life and death , again Sister of fates have the power of fate manipulation , now who created sister of fates and gave them the power of fate ,manipulation? TWSAIS created them and they gave the power of fate manipulation to them., and TWSAIS are also creator of asgardians. And saying TWSAIS are feetless does not mean they are weak. In marvel there are many characters who are outerversal but they don't even have a single feat. Fulcrum does not have feat. So you mean fulcrum is weak and he is universal. True form oblivion does not have feats. So you mean true form oblivion is weak and universal.
3. Of course. TWSAIS will one shot toba. TWSAIS are metafictional beings.
4. Well odin can destroy shot a universe , even odin had destroyed the fabric of the multiverse and shaked every plane of reality. ,,,,,,,,,, and odin was weakened for reacting like mortal in that fight, so that means odin can one shot a multiverse with his full power. And since those who sit above in shadows are above odin so they are easily above universal and multiversal and they are outerversal so they can easily destroy a universe.
4. But still Al Ewing indirectly approved that Those who sit above in shadows are house of ideas. And even zim pacody has also told that he had to write new comics and his statements are non canon but his statements are also valid.
5. They did not came to loki. Loki willingly told them a story and feared them that they created gods or gods created them. But I did not saw TWSAIS reauesting loki for stories.
RajinKabir
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Well I will tell you something about the Odin feat. It happens on a single universe. A single universe. Because within multieternity there are infinite universes and each universe has infinite dimensions . Each dimension can be considered as a different universe. All the dimension have ever expanding timelines. And each dimension can't perceive the other because they are on a different dimension but they occupy the same space and Odin's fight effected all dimension of a single universe. And any universe in marvel encompasses a multiverse that way.
Also TWSAIS are the most confusing characters. Their past is unknown. It isn't confirmed that they created ragnarok. Loki made sure of that. Also they have made claims too. But events contradict with their claims. If they are so powers they could have done something to stop RKT or Odin from Banishing Thor to earth. But they did nothing. They couldn't even stop Loki from telling their story. Hence they are quite featless.
And you said "They did not came to loki. Loki willingly told them a story and feared them that they created gods or gods created them. But I did not saw TWSAIS reauesting loki for stories.".
They did came to Loki for stories. Read the comics again.
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Tahsin
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @RajinKabir Let me hear your theory:"Well I will tell you something about the Odin feat. It happens on a single universe. A single universe. Because within multieternity there are infinite universes and each universe has infinite dimensions . Each dimension can be considered as a different universe. All the dimension have ever expanding timelines. And each dimension can't perceive the other because they are on a different dimension but they occupy the same space and Odin's fight effected all dimension of a single universe. And any universe in marvel encompasses a multiverse that way."-Right? Wrong.

1.I think you ignored my 1 scan. This one, here Doctor strange clearly mentioned that odin was destroying fabric of the multiverse. So your theory is quite wrong.And a single universe does not have infinite dimensions rather each and every dimensions are a single and a separate fully formed universe.,and according to your theory multi eternity only encompasses a single universe which is quite wrong. Multi eternity encompasses the whole multiverse. And also not to forget thor's base form transcends every dimensions ,
"Also TWSAIS are the most confusing characters. Their past is unknown. It isn't confirmed that they created ragnarok. Loki made sure of that. Also they have made claims too. But events contradict with their claims. If they are so powers they could have done something to stop RKT or Odin from Banishing Thor to earth. But they did nothing. They couldn't even stop Loki from telling their story. Hence they are quite featless.
And you said "They did not came to loki. Loki willingly told them a story and feared them that they created gods or gods created them. But I did not saw TWSAIS reauesting loki for stories.".
They did came to Loki for stories. Read the comics again-"Right? Wrong.
2. Saying TWSAIS past are unknown does not mean he is weak. Even Empty hand and fulcrum's past are also unknown. So you mean they are weak. And i have already shown you the scan where TWSAIS confronted that they created the endless ragnarok cycle. ,
3. You are underestimating TWSAIS. TWSAIS already already told that ,"they know thor they thor's fate . And thor is no threat to them.", even TWSAIS also told that "they know all the outcomes of past present and future.", and TWSAIS did not stop odin from banishing thor because TWSAIS had already wrote the story of thor and thor was no threat them . Even they knew the outcomes of every future and every possibility. And they had already saw the future of thor. But still thor defeated them and you mean this is a joke? And that's why rkt is very strong. And don't igonore rkt also told,"I have become something you have never even dreamed possible." And thor also told that TWSAIS can not manipulate thor. Take example as dax novu and cas. Mandrakk dax novu can eat the stories of every creature but still he was unable to eat the story of superman. Similarly TWSAIS has control over narrative and they can also manipulate everyone except thor.
3. They was unable to stop loki from telling their stories because god of stories loki is a metafictional and a boundless character and he has control over stories and that's why TWSAIS were unable to stop him. You are actually underestimating him.
4. Read the next page of that issue, see loki just told a story just to scare TWSAIS that they created gods or gods created them.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk I didn't ignore that scan. A universe it self encompasses a multiverse. I know each dimension is a fully formed universe. But they aren't separate. They occupy the same space.
Hence they are called dimension. I already said within multi eternity there are infinite universes. Each universe has in finite dimensions. Hence each universe is a multiverse..
And yes a different dimension of a universe is a different plain of reality. That way the dimensions are also called parallel reality. And I NEVER SAID MULTI ETERNITY CONTAINED ONLY ONE UNIVERSE. You and many people think that eternity is a multiverse. But no he is an omniverse. That means there are infinite multiverse. I need the name of this issue.

This also says dimensions. Plural but NOT INFINITE.
Also thor became unpredictabel because of odin banishing him. Here are some scans.



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Empty hand and fulcrum past are unknown. But Empty has min blowing feats. Althought fulcrum. Didn't appear much. Where TWSAIS only has claims and statements which are unproven. Also check this about CIH
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It means CIH destroyed multieternity (9th cosmos). That should be enough to prove why CIH wins.
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @RajinKabir Wait what?? no no no.
Multi Eternity only encompasses multiverse , and multi eternity (8th cosmos) also encompasses the whole multiverse and superflow and neutral zone not omniverse.
2. I need the name of this issue ,
3.The name of the comic you asked is "astonishing thor". Read the comichttps://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Astonishing-Thor,
4. Actually TWSAIS wrote the fate of rkt and knewed that thor is no threat no them. And i think that's why TWSAIS didn't gave that much attention to odin and thor. And i thing that's why they didn'tstop odin from banishing thor. And ok let's agree that rkt was unpredictable. But take example as ellaine belloc. Even she can also hide things from presence. So does that mean presence is weak? Even lucifer can also escape the plan of presence. Presence have no control over lucifer. So you mean Lucifer >>>presence? I hope no. And I already remind you that ," TWSAIS can manipulate every fictional character except rkt".
5. Empty hand does not have that much feat. He has one feat and that is destroying a multiverse but for your kind information even superman(base form amped by boomtube) was also able to destroy the multiverse with one punch.
6. I agree that CIH one shoted 9th cosmos. But do you know how those cosmos are born? Well they are born from farshore, and farshore bounded by Yggdrasil , and what has rkt done ?? He one shoted the Yggdrasil , that proves that rkt=TWSAIS >>>Every cosmos including 9th cosmos and 8th cosmos. And also TWSAIS are from oblivion. Oblivion >Outside. And outside is beyond farshore. So TWSAIS one shots. Deal with it.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk "no no no". No need to give that kind of expression. You may think that you have a solid idea about marvel cosmology but almost none does. And yes Multi-eternity is everything. That means he is an omniverse.which means he contain infinite multiverses. Because every universe is a multiverse. It has infinite dimensions each dimension is a universe and they are a timeline. Each dimension has alternate timelines. So it is far more complex than you think. Comprehending all that at once may be confusing sometimes. ALSO I AM LOOKING IN THAT ISSUE YOU ASKED FOR.
"TWSAIS can manipulate every fictional character except rkt".. There is no proof of that.
"Empty hand does not have that much feat. He has one feat and that is destroying a multiverse". I starting to think you overrated TWSAIS more than I think. Almost the entire dc multivers faced Empty. And he was like "I have nothing to fear from you. ". And then he teleported everyone to their individual universe and he himself went somewhere like the overvoid. Again "
superman(base form amped by boomtube) was also able to destroy the multiverse with one punch"
. I need to know the issue. Need to know more about that.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk The issue is Fantastic four #51 (1961)
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow "No need to give that kind of expression. You may think that you have a solid idea about marvel cosmology but almost none does. "
1.I am sorry . I thought you will not mine if I show this type of expression. But no problem. I will not show this type of expression again. And second thing is that I never said that I have a solid idea on marvel's cosmology. I am always willing to learn something new.
"And yes Multi-eternity is everything. That means he is an omniverse.which means he contain infinite multiverses. Because every universe is a multiverse. It has infinite dimensions each dimension is a universe and they are a timeline. Each dimension has alternate timelines. So it is far more complex than you think. Comprehending all that at once may be confusing sometimes"
2. Saying multi eternity is the omniverse because he is everything is quite wrong. Even doctor strange god of magic also told that he is everything does that mean he also encompasses the omniverse?
"There is no proof of that."
3. I already showed you proof.
"I starting to think you overrated TWSAIS more than I think. Almost the entire dc multivers faced Empty. And he was like "I have nothing to fear from you. ". And then he teleported everyone to their individual universe and he himself went somewhere like the overvoid. "
4.TWSAIS can also do that.
"I need to know the issue. Need to know more about that"
The comic is Justice league(2018) issue#25. That was rebirth superman. And I am sorry. I mistakenly said boomtube. Actually superman was amped from the suns of 6th dimension.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk . This is proof that a universe is more than just a universe.
"TWSAIS can also do that.".
Not at Empty's level maybe a few people. If they were that big of a threat than they would have more significant role in the comics. And they never teleported that many people. The doctor starnge scan doesn't make much sense. What are you trying to prove . Anyway that doesn't chang anything about eternity. He is the personification of existence. He doesn't just contain multiverses. He has superflow,far shore, primordial void and so on. And I already gave you enough proof that a universe itself is a multiverse. I am working on the superman feat
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow 1., here it is mentioned ,"A universe is a single dimension reality.Such as earth 616 the main stream marvel universe.The multiverse is the collection of alternate dimensions with a similar nature and universal hierachy." So your theory is quite wrong.
"Not at Empty's level maybe a few people. If they were that big of a threat than they would have more significant role in the comics. And they never teleported that many people."
2.They can do that. And they already have a significant role in creating ragnarok cycle.
"The doctor starnge scan doesn't make much sense. What are you trying to prove . "
3. I am just trying to prove that saying eternity is everything does not means that he encompasses the omniverse.
"Anyway that doesn't chang anything about eternity. He is the personification of existence. "
4. I never said that he is not the personification of existense. But still there are many planes outside multi eternity like farshore,below space,outside, overspace etc.
"He doesn't just contain multiverses. He has superflow,far shore, primordial void and so on. "
5. Nah. Multi eternity does not have farshore and primordial void. And only 8th cosmos multi eternity encompasses superflow. Not any other iterations of eternity. And that's why 8th cosmos=Living tribunal. And that's why multi eternity 8th cosmos is far more bigger than any other multiverses but that does not mean that it encompasses the omniverse the omniverse.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Uh no. I am 100% sure .that the far shore, negative zone and primordial void exists within eternity. I used to think the far shore existed outside eternity but I corrected later.
And the scan you showed me it doesn't really work on your favour. The "eternity" in that bracket refers to the universal incarnation of eternity. And if you think my theory is wrong ask anyone else. Most of them will tell you the same. The cosmology isn't simple as you say.
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow 1.When multi eternity 7 th cosmos died it didn't effected farshore . So I don't think multi eternity encompasses farshore. And here is a scan , here all the eternities were standing in the farshore. This proves that farshore is outside multi eternity . And primordial void is gunginap. And gunginap is actually oblivion. And oblivion exists outside multi eternity. And yeah multi eternity encompasses negative zone.
2. Actually they were talking about multi eternity .
3. First tell me who told you Multi eternity encompasses farshore.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Yes because 7th didn't have far shore. With each new cosmos comes an upgrade. The far shore is the upgrade of 8th cosmos. That why every Cosmos surpasses its previous Cosmos in tier.
1 they aren't standing in fas shore. Thats the outside. Read the comic again.
2. Not they weren't.
3. Who said?? @Emptyhand ,@Oblivion , @Jongensoden. Probably others just don't remember.
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow 1. But how you are sure that 8th cosmos encompasses farshore. First firnament is stronger than 8th cosmos. While even farshore is outside first firnament. And no they were not in the outside. It was far shore.
2. Why?
3. To be honest I don't know who is @Jongensoden . But about oblivion then just look at his comments https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LnQ1URQWNxwanp7RogF9lKygFJSCZUG6/view?usp=drivesdk, he thinks dream solos whole marvel including toaa. Even he thinks lucifer also solos whole marvel including toaa https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LrU6XQnmNR182iEjo3AZfNZr3mLMORfx/view?usp=drivesdk, oblivion is good debater and he is good at scaling in dc not marvel. He does not have that much knowledge over marvel.About @EmptyHand then yeah Emptyhand is good at scaling both dc and marvel and if he told that to you then he must some good reasons on that. So I will debate with empty hand on this topic and that's why for now I won't discuss this topic.
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not voted Ugh literally every relevant dc 1A solos marvel due to far more complex cosmology,Dream i something like 8 layers above baseline while toaa is 2-3 bring delirium and she still solos. DC has dimensions with fractions, it is like 3d 3.1d 3.2d blah blah far more complex than marvel there are bunch of 1A concepts in dc endless, new gods for ex, these platonic concepts doesn't exist in marvel then there is the dark multiverse which is literally dark side of the map,actual map is 2x larger then the map we see.
Overvoid>>>6th D>>>5th d(imagination)>>>Source Wall>>>Monitor Sphere>>>Limbo>>Sphere of gods (Multiple layered 1A archetypal realms) also higher layers in dc views lower ones as fiction (CAS seeing limbo as 2d or destiny seeing everything below him as stories in book,something marvel lacks) some dimensions in dc are so grand and meta that they don't appear on map. FURTHERMORE the map you know is creation of perpetua and there are a lot of celestials tasked to create multiverses like this across overvoid now multiply everything you read to millions or billions as there are a lot of multiverses like this in dc. Do you have any proof of marvel being able to compete with this kind of complexity? No, not to mention how fodder marvel god tiers are, Beyonder being pushed back by energy blast fired from ships or Beyonder needing 90% of his power so that he could kill a death who was responsible for deaths in a single infinite multiverse and barely aristotelian. Heck MrJeager said CIH destorying 9th cosmos was ignored via time travel, means he only affected 1 timeline. It took CIH billions of years to kill pshyic bounded abstracts and destroy the multiverse in 1 timeline. Fodder to dc
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @Tahsin just because you think @Oblivion is wrong on something doesn't mean he is wrong about everything. You acan also ask @Tyrannus and @SupremeDreams about far shore. Also check this . This says Chalenger was prisoned to the far reaches of the universe which was far shore. So that means every universe has connection to far shore. Even Valkyrie went to the far shore. That all suggests Far shore is part of eternity or eternity contains far shore.
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Oblivion1. Nah.Toaa represents every writer/editor and reader in marvel.He can one shot everyone including dream.
2. But marvel has billions of dimensions ,while your dc does not have.
3. Also there are a bunch of marvel characters who infinite layers above 1A. Take example as house of ideas tier characters. And what non sense you are talking about? Gods like zeus,aries,thor,odin all of them are plantonic concepts. Even death in marvel is also plantonic concepts.
4 . Marvel has infinite multiverses , and marvel also have omniverse and the definition of omniverse in marvel is thiswhile your dc does not have. And also marvel's universes and multiverses are boundless in size,
5. Marvel's cosmology is far more bigger and far more complex than dc's one. And you mean beyonder is fodder? What about overvoid? Perpetua breaked pieces from overvoid and created our multiverse . How powerful is perpetua? She's just a baseline outerversal who can't save herself from being locked by source wall.And perpetua is just a fodder infront of marvel. And yeah the whole "the Endless" will loose with god of stories loki so forget toaa.
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow 1.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MOpfCADf07yCBynoZ6VfYV2l_xmg68Zx/view?usp=drivesdk, I want to show this to RajinKabir . As you can see Empty hand literally told that it is debatable whether multi eternity encompasses farshore or not. So can you tell me when did he told that to you?
2. Not only valkyrie even heimdall also went to far shore but when he entered in the farshore he was unable to see anything.While heimdall can see everything within eternity. This is also proving that farshore is outside multi eternity.
3. Don't think me wrong. Go and ask anyone in the website that has deabated with oblivion. All of them will tell you the same except some die hard fans of detective comics.
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not voted Being writer avatar doesn't gives you a tier or a specific power level, by that logic annoying dog from undertale or tori bot from dragonball is around that power level as well NO, charecters aren't scaled like that, only marvel wankers when their charecters are fodder compared to opposite side uses that arguement.
Marvel has billions of dimensions?
ok you just clarified marvel caps out at hyperversal, thnx
DC doesn't have? what? Mid tier realms in map such as dreaming stores infinite lower fictions in Lucien's libary, dimentions aren't a thing to a mid ranked realm in a SÄ°NGLE multiverse in dc. Marvel dimensions are barely higher spatial infinities while dc dimensions are layers that treat lower ones as mere nonexistant fiction, dimensions in dc overall are way more impressive heck Marvel cosmology can't reach to sphere of gods. I already proved that dc has much more realms and a huge number of dudes transcendant over it.
No one in marvel is 1A+ there isn't such cosmology basis to rank them that high. And there are no platonic forms or concepts in marvel, PLATONÄ°C death, who is responsible for deaths in a single infinite multiverse (literally definition of an aristotelian concept) and PLATONÄ°C death who got killed by a dude who struggles against molecule warpers.


>Marvel's cosmology is far more bigger and far more complex than dc's one

you are the first multiversal debater i saw saying this.

>And you mean beyonder is fodder? What about overvoid? Perpetua breaked pieces from overvoid and created our multiverse . How powerful is perpetua? She's just a baseline outerversal who can't save herself from being locked by source wall.And perpetua is just a fodder infront of marvel. And yeah the whole "the Endless" will loose with god of stories loki so forget toaa.

Source is an fragment of god and high outerversal,and needed a huge amount of its energy to bind perpetua, Perpetua scales above everyone in sphere of gods according to death metal, and those guys (endless,angels) are far beyond baseline 1A,and source wall lies top on scaling chain of multiple 1A realms,also perpetua is nothing compared to totality of overvoid, do you have an actual arguement or scan proving marvel has a higher cosmology? (no) You were just like "that is fodder infront of marvel" "this is fodder in front of marvel" and say marvel charecters can beat sentient platonic concepts scaling to a far complex cosmology. Yet there is no cosmology scaling or hax in marvel showing that they can beat dc abstracts or proof of them being capable of interacting with platonic forms as such things don't exist in marvel. Baseless claims
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Oblivion Is this a kind of joke? You mean being the representation of every writer,editor,reader , and you mean it is a joke ? One above all is not a fictional character. He is a metafictional character. No fictional character can beat a metafictional character. Do you don't know the difference between fictional and metafictional character? It does not matter how powerful is a character but no one can beat toaa cause he is every reader and every writer.And you better explain me how can dream beat writer? Which I know you can't. You are just ignoring my scans. And if you still think dream solos toaa that means you have no brain.
>Mid tier realms in map such as dreaming stores infinite lower fictions in Lucien's libary, dimentions aren't a thing to a mid ranked realm in a SÄ°NGLE multiverse in dc. Marvel dimensions are barely higher spatial infinities while dc dimensions are layers that treat lower ones as mere nonexistant fiction, dimensions in dc overall are way more impressive heck Marvel cosmology can't reach to sphere of gods.

I found this in your comment. Seriously? Are you brain dead? Marvel dimensions have infinite dimensional layers exist but are on an infinite higher level on infinite levels , ,Every moment in every universes in the multiverse create an infinite amount of more universe with infinite levels of dimensional layers, and that's why marvel dimensions>>dc dimensions. This is another prove that you have no knowledge over marvel cosmology. And saying marvel cosmology can't reach to sphere of gods is the most funniest that I heared in my whole life. Even marvel's every olympus gods and every asgardian gods will scale equally to gods sphere because they are plantonic concepts. Even thor's base form is also plantonic concepts cause he transcends dimensions , Every gods in marvel are living stories and metaphor, and marvel's every gods are immortal. As long as there is belief or knowledge of a god they will exist. , olympus gods are also potent myths.Not physical bodies. So stop downplaying marvel. Marvel cosmology is not for any small minds.

>PLATONÄ°C death who got killed by a dude who struggles against molecule warpers.
Beyonder was weak when he faced pre retcon molecule man . And also pre retcon molecule man is more powerful than you think.

>Source is an fragment of god and high outerversal,and needed a huge amount of its energy to bind perpetua, Perpetua scales above everyone in sphere of gods according to death metal, and those guys (endless,angels) are far beyond baseline 1A,and source wall lies top on scaling chain of multiple 1A realms,also perpetua is nothing compared to totality of overvoid, do you have an actual arguement or scan proving marvel has a higher cosmology? (no) You were just like "that is fodder infront of marvel" "this is fodder in front of marvel" and say marvel charecters can beat sentient platonic concepts scaling to a far complex cosmology. Yet there is no cosmology scaling or hax in marvel showing that they can beat dc abstracts or proof of them being capable of interacting with platonic forms as such things don't exist in marvel. Baseless claims

Nah. Source wall easily locked
Perpetua. By the way you mean this is a joke? Overvoid is far beyond source wall. And someone who can break overvoid should be near overvoid. And he should not have been locked by source wall. And perpetua had to take pieces from overvoid to create a multiverse but without it perpetua have to take time to just one shot a universe which makes perpetua nothing but a fodder,, again this is proving that perpetua is nothing more than a fodder.Angels and endless are not just baseline outerversal not anything more than that. And yeah marvel cosmology is far more bigger than dc's one. If I try to explain it would take the whole day. So stop downplaying marvel.And yeah marvel's cosmology is more complex than dc.And marvel have also cosmology scaling. And I already proved you that every gods and death in marvel are plantonic concepts. And you remembered me another things. ,darkest night had also shudder spehere of gods where heaven, hell and new genesis exist. And the same darkest night is equal to perpetua,And perpetua is not even enough powerful to one shot a universe at a particular time which makes gods sphere a fodder type realm.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Dream is still solos Marvel
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Atemporal Yeah dream solos marvel in his own dream.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk In and out of the Dreaming can solo
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Atemporal Nah. More than 10 characters in marvel are above dream. And those who have brain knows that dream can not even solo half marvel. So keep living with your butt hurt theory that dream can one shot marvel.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk How GOS? LMAO
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow I already showed you the scans that why gos Loki solos. But I never said that he solos whole dc. Leviathan of stories >gos Loki. Go and read my scans.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk A guy who said Lucifer fought the source, I can't take you seriously, I doubt you've even read the Lucifer series, Dream is still alone Marvel. (Loki is fodder, Mxy rapes him)
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Dream solos Marvel lmfao
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk For Sure.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk As you yourself once said: trolls must be ignored.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk You are one and you know it.
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not voted Dream solos marvel, literally every sane multiversal debater (excluding this site) agrees with it, fucking comicvine where people used to think presence and beyonder are equals accepts Lucifer stomping marvel.
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not voted i will answer in few days btw
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk ''You are one and you know it.'' What? I guess this is an example of one of your trolls.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk "Loki solos Lucifer"
Are you not a troll then? :D
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow >A guy who said Lucifer fought the source, I can't take you seriously, I doubt you've even read the Lucifer series, Dream is still alone Marvel. (Loki is fodder, Mxy rapes him)

This what I can expect from you . I dxon't care what the hell you are talking? What about you? You voted to lucifer in lucifer vs divine creator. https://www.superherodb.com/the-divine-creator-vs-lucifer-morningstar/90-402935/, do you even know what is divine creator? It is marvel's azathoth. Whose dream contains every fictional universes including your lucifer. This is a another prove that you are just a lucifer fanboy . You also voted lucifer in lucifer vs toaa. This is nothing more than a trol
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Lol when I said that? now you started inventing things to hide yourself
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk They should rename to " The Divine Fodder"
Nice Wank
D RE A M solos Marvel
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk "Oblivion and Loki solos Lucifer."
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk TF Oblivion and Loki would solos Lucifer indeed.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Nice Troling.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk It's ''trolling'' for the one who thinks Lucifer would beat Presence ofc.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk The Presence is Fodder, Lucifer one-shot, not even a fair fight
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Atemporal You have no scan, no debunk, no logic and you are saying me that I am wanking. Seriously this is too much. And you every time confirms me that you are lucifer fanboy. Stop overrating lucifer.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk You think Loki beats the Presence (you're obviously trolling, but I don't care)
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Atemporal Cause that's the truth. Your presence is enough powerful that it got kicked by rox ogama a monitor who lost his every power. And I already showed you the proof that why god of stories loki can one shot presence .
@MrJaeger07 I found this in your comment https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MfcpB8BgVK-8y_qjbmQVRKKKlWDwQNZi/view?usp=drivesdk, if you are accepting that gos loki and tf oblivion can one shot lucifer morningstar then why don't you vote gos loki between gos loki vs lucifer morningstar https://www.superherodb.com/loki-god-of-stories-vs-lucifer-morningstar/90-445559/
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Rox Ogama never killed the Presence, you are like the retards who do not read comics and believe all that others tell him, Loki could not even defeat the Anti Monitor of Infinite Earths much less will he be able to defeat someone of higher level.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk Perpetua created the entire DC Multiverse with the energies of the Presence. The Presence> Perpetua = Sixth Dimension> Source Wall> Monitor Sphere = Monitores
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Those Who Sit Above In Shadow @Atemporal Radiant told that she can't die until their creator(presence ) dies. , as said in final crisis revelations. But in the 7th issue of final crisis both spectre and radiant were dead. And Mandrakk told," the dying god left your universe wounded and defenseless and alone in the endless dark where mandrakk dwells in.", that means mandrakk killed the presence and won the fight in the heaven , also mandrakk hold the same ball of creation that presence hold https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mpkh3jxdS-TGZpTyOawQXgyFeQorWylT/view?usp=drivesdk,https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MpAJu9OosIWNoC8uQWpKoVkIp8qlB0Sd/view?usp=drivesdk, and this another prove that mandrakk is stronger than presence. And do you have any explanation that why pax dei came in final crisis to kill rox ogama , they came to take revenge of presence's death. So yeah presence got killed by rox ogama.
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Cosmic Immortal Hulk @Tahsin ''if you are accepting that gos loki and tf oblivion can one shot lucifer morningstar then why don't you vote gos loki between gos loki vs lucifer morningstar'' I didn't say they both would oneshot Lucifer and I think he would beat those two individually but they might win together.

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