ThorvsHulk

Created by maddog1000

217 wins (70.7%)
Thor (Thor Odinson) 30
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100
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235
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Official Superhero Database stats.
90 wins (29.3%)
Hulk (Bruce Banner) 16
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600,000
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Official Superhero Database stats.

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Clint_Barton
Clint_Barton 8 h 42 m
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Thor wins. Earth 616 normal hulk is not as strong as Thor. Anyway Thor wins. Very hard fight. But Thor is stronger. He is not only physically strong, he also has Thunder powers.
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Breaker
Breaker 8 h 38 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Spreading out

Breaker
Breaker 9 h 19 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk omg











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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 8 h 54 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Why not vote?
Breaker
Breaker 8 h 51 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk oh.sorry done
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Savage Hulk was able to hold the planet Sakaar by it's tectonic plates while Thor couldn't lift the midgard serpent. Hulk is much much stronger than Thor and will only get stronger as the fight goes on
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DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor Thor lifted the weight of 20 planets with one arm.
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor What's more impressive is that he survived being crushed with said weight of 20 planets then lifted it off of him.
Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor I'm not the biggest Marvel fan but that's pretty impressive. We're they moon or earth sized?
DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor I think earth sized. If it was earth sized, he would have lifted around 120 sextillion tons.
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Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor The earth weighs 5700 sextillion tons
DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor I think it is 5.7 sextillion tons, not 5700 sextillion tons.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 8 h 46 m
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Even if we lowball that feat by assuming that A: Thor used the belt of strength and B: those planets were only the size of Pluto (the smallest of the planets) then it's still more impressive than the Hulk feats you all are giving us.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 6 h 48 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Your all forgetting Thor won't get any stronger while Hulk will.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 6 h 46 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Asking you'd win between Hulk and Thor is like asking who'd win in a race between Flash and Superman. We all know the answer but sometimes we like to pretend Thor and Superman have a chance
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 6 h 42 m
Thor vs Hulk
Thor And you're forgetting that Thor is always at full power while Hulk has to increase his strength via rage and Thor CAN enhance his strength times 10 via Warriors Madness. And i've proven that Hulk CAN get tired and DOSNT have infinite strength so quite being a Hulk fanboy.

Let me fix that for you. Asking you'd win between Hulk and Thor is like asking who'd win in a race between Flash and Superman. We all know the answer but sometimes we like to pretend *Hulk and Superman have a chance.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 6 h 1 m
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk You haven't proven Hulk gets tired. Admitting the stronger opponent doesn't make me a fanboy(although it make you look like a Thor fanboy).

Nah it was right the first time. They don't call Hulk "strongest one there is" just like how they don't call the Flash the "fastest man alive" for nothing.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 5 h 46 m
Thor vs Hulk
Thor He got completely exhausted after Umar did this to him http://thegreatcomicbookheroes.blogspot.com/2011/06/shocking-scene-between-hulk-and-umar.html

He tired out against Sentry and was forced to turn back into Bruce Banner.

Hulk just says he's the strongest there is, it dosnt really mean anything which is proven when Thanos casually slaps him around, Thor battles him to stalemate (and Thor always holds back while Hulk is bloodlusted most of the time HotM isn't canon so don't even bring up when Hulk says that he holds back in that book), and Sentry forced World Breaker Hulk (a MUCH more powerful version of Hulk) to turn back into Bruce Banner.

You have yet to prove that Hulk is immortal and you have yet to prove that Hulk doesn't get tired.
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Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Upvote the characters that have (Movie) and (TFP) on them we need those to series and franchises in the database.
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Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor @Galactus would be proud if we get an entir movie franchise of characters in the database.
Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Wow those votes just shot up advertising does work.
Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Who's down voting all the TF Movie characters we need those in the database it's the second biggest movie franchise in the world other than avengers. Upvote then guys we need them.
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DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor It's not the second biggest. The three biggest are MCU, Star Wars, and Harry Potter.
Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Oh I guess it comes in 4th lol, it's in the top 5 lbs no that
DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor It's like 8th or 9th.
DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor James Bond, Jurassic Park, Fast and Furious, and lord of the rings/hobbit are ahead of it.
Bane333
Thor vs Hulk
Thor This message is to all members that are higher ranked than a normal member, meaning
Editor/Moderator/@Galactus any body of that status please upvote all the TFP characters on The Request list, there are about 15 to 20 characters.
God_of_Thunder
Thor vs Hulk
3 year member
Thor A battle between the two strongest superheroes in the Marvel universe !
The magical warrior God got to many advantages to loose this battle if he realy fights to defeat the Incredible Hulk.
A skilled warrior with expirience from thousends of years of battle.
Hulk is a human born scientist who transforms into a rampaging behemoth with no skill and perhaps twenty years of expirience. The Asgardian is fast as the speed of light, Hulk as the sound.
The God got an Incredible Versatility and may defeat his enemy in a lot of ways , Hulk is simple straight forward and brute strength only.
Mighty Thor is intelligent and may use strategies tactics , Hulk got limited Intelligence.
The warrior god could do as Silver Surfer and absorb the Radiation Energy straight out of Hulk turning him to Banner.
Blast Hulk with a Godblast witch would kill him ! Use his superior skill as a warrior and beat Hulk with magical charged attacks with Mjolnir in close combat.
Use his Versatility and channel lightning blasts and storms or use magical blast attacks as the Anti Force.
A Mythological warrior god is superior to a human born scientiest turning to the strongest Metahuman there is.
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soratoumiga
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk They're not the strongest superheroes, wbk
DeanDinosaur6
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor Physically they are.
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor I agree with basically everything you said @God_of_Thunder
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Is this a joke? Thor has never been able to beat Hulk properly
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Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Actually Thor KOs hulk with one lightning bolt _Incredible Hulk Annual 2001
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk That was once and Hulk woke up a few seconds later and kicked him off
Hurricano
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Hulk is strongest there is and Thor would put up a hell of a fight but after a while Thor will do to the fact hulk get stronger the angier he gets. And do to his healing factor and survivability
xX
xXICee 1 mo 16 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Look at the comics
Hulk is way stronger
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 mo 16 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Based on what feats? You know Thor holds back a lot, so of course Hulk could beat him their.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 26 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Thor can hold back Hulk but eventually he'll lose
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor That's the point, Thor holds back and if he didn't he would beat the Hulk more times than he loses.
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk I didn't say he hold back against Hulk I said he can hold Hulk back for a while but it won't last. Eventually Thor will fall.
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captainthor985 3 mo 24 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor as you know Thor has already beaten hulk in Thor Ragnarok but was electrocuted by Grandmaster because he already knew that thor was going to kill him. Also, if you look back in the first avengers film one of Thor's punches sent him flying.
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jongensoden
jongensoden 2 mo 30 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor thats mcu
Bane333
Bane333 4 mo 6 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor (Agreed)
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 5 mo 6 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Thor smashes
Wo
Worthy4all 6 mo 22 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Strength alone is but a hollow virtue. Thor is just to powerful for hulk. The grand master knew it in Thor Ragnarok. Thor is a better fighter, an ancient being, and God of Asgard. Thor wins this.
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SirSpidey
SirSpidey 6 mo 1 d
Thor vs Hulk
3 year member
Thor I see your reference
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk MCU is different. Hulk is much stronger and he usually fights alone while Thor has help against his foes
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Cars23 7 mo 2 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk In ragnarok Gladiator Hulk had a hammer bigger than a car . Thor is really weak compared to World breaker Hulk , World war Hulk , Gladiator Hulk .
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Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor This is the comics not the MCU,
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Cars23 7 mo 2 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Hulk= 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Thor = 0 . Thor is strong but Hulk is the strongest one there is .
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ArthurCurry89
ArthurCurry89 6 mo 1 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Strenght isn't anything
SirSpidey
SirSpidey 6 mo 1 d
Thor vs Hulk
3 year member
Thor @Cars23: I believe the Hulk is the strongest MORTAL there is while Thor is the strongest IMMORTAL there is
Brendanpatterson911
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Hulk always beats Thor in the comics, and Hulk isn't smart your right but hulk just gets the more angrier just get more stronger, and plus lightning will not kill hulk, Hammer hits the Hulk angrier he gets stronger he gets. Thor Ragnarock Hulk wasn't in his full potential.
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 7 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Hulks intelligence in the comics is on par with Bruce's and he is trained in swords shields and axes just read planet hulk or watch the movie
So
Sonar1279 7 mo 27 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk "Hulk is Strongest there is"
AndreasVer
AndreasVer 8 mo 9 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Thor Simple answer to why Thor is stronger than Hulk: Iron Man built a Hulkbuster on his own, just like many of his powerful armored suits, and managed to defeat the Hulk with it, while he has also created a Thorbuster, which has the exception of using a magical material that Thor himself had offered him, which failed to defeat Thor but was still so powerful that Thor was not trusting Iron Man for a short time. Thor is the Asgardian God of Strength, not only Thunder. Thor is stronger than Hulk as much as Godzilla is from King Kong. Hulk's strength increasing proportionally with his rage to an unlimited degree means nothing. His anger is constantly absorbing radiation giving him his enormous power. He is doing it subconsciously while experiencing negative emotions. Well Thor draws power from the sky just like Superman draws power from the sun. Many heroes have unlimited potential by absorbing some sort of energy around them, just like Galactus who eats entire planets. Otherwise how would it be possible to use force more powerful than everything that we humans can do with all this energy we have at our disposal to exploit? Molecule Man and Captain Atom are some of the strongest comic book characters because they manipulate almost every type of energy around them. So it goes with Thor and Hulk, two of the most powerful characters in Marvel. It is almost certain that Hulk has more durability than Thor, so why don't we have a consensus that Thor is stronger physically and in his magical abilities deriving from his hammer?
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Sonar1279 7 mo 27 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Thor is certainly not stronger then the hulk, you're mistaken there. This fight would be a long drawn out battle by the end of it the Hulk would pretty much be invincible. By the end of WWH Big guy was so mad (strong) his regular foot steps were cracking the planet he was walking on. Hulk at that level could destroy even Thanos. Though Thanos would not let it get to that point, with Thor it probably would.
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor WWH has his own profile, and if he didn't Sentry (a solar system to galaxy buster) was able to go blow for blow with him and was actually defeating him at some point.
Tyrannus
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk Hulk become WWH if he gets angrier
krisodinson
krisodinson 8 mo 9 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor i would prefer hulk to win but i think thor just has a wider range of powers that would assist him in winning, his feats are also too great to ignore,
ManofPower
ManofPower 8 mo 9 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk https://m.imgur.com/75STdnC .
Couldn't find comic issue but Hulk dodges Thor's hammer throw
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ManofPower
ManofPower 8 mo 9 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Thor holds back a lot, who wouldn't be scared of Hulk?
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 10 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Thor Thor Odinson wins against the Hulk!
Ca
Cars23 10 mo 16 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk thor might be a superhero god some of you probbily have not seen the movie hulk vs thor but hulk was controlled by loki and he almost killed thor
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windshadow
windshadow 10 mo 16 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor You know nothing about comics don't you?
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Lorenzo 10 mo 24 d
Thor vs Hulk
Hulk 161 vote for thor 90 mcu fan all of this peopple doesn't read just one comics .
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Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor In the comics, Thor is more powerful.
IA
IAmNomad 11 mo 18 d
Thor vs Hulk
not voted Thor - 30
Hulk - 16
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Thor Wins
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Hawkinz
Hawkinz 11 mo 18 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted That's not how you're supposed to choose who wins.
Hawkinz
Hawkinz 1 y 14 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted I'm very conflicted. It's hard to vote for this battle.
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TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 14 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Hulk Hulk shook an infinite number of dimensions in a fight with a super amped Iron Clad.
Dark_Wing
Thor vs Hulk
Thor Outliers, outliers everywhere.
yw
ywacch 1 y 15 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor If you bring the two of them at their prime which is Rune king thor vs maestro/worldbreaker/world war hulk, Thor would win.
Hulk outclasses Thor in Strength but Rune king thor is even more powerful than Odin
Ja
Jaethym 1 y 1 mo 12 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk Hulk would win if it goes all out hulk will become WBH which is unstoppable amount of strength and would easily rip thor in half
Creature99
Creature99 1 y 2 mo 5 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor If it was WWH then he would win but just as The Hulk he wouldnt win it would be a clash of titans but in the end Thor could just use Berserk rage and beat hulk but it would be a good fight
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zodiac 1 y 4 mo 7 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor thor can burn hulk with thunder
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Flashii 1 y 3 mo 7 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor that's a freaking lie hulk will just become angrier and lightning shocks not burns
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SirThanos91 1 y 2 mo 5 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor @Flashii - Did you seriously just say that lightning does NOT burn? that must be one of the most poorly educated statements I've read in a while lmao!
Ch
CharaDreemurr 1 y 5 mo 14 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor Stan Lee himself said Thor can beat Hulk
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Ko
KoroBIBI 1 y 2 mo 24 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
not voted Lee said that he would like Thor can defeated Hulk , But Characters evolv without restriction
plaidcoolflyer
plaidcoolflyer 1 y 6 mo 6 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor If you saw the movie Thor: Ragnarok, you can tell Thor defeated Hulk even though The Grandmaster cheated at the end.
thehulk
thehulk 1 y 7 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk it would be a tough fight but hulk would win in the end because he can adapt and he can heal
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DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted So can Thor
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Hulk Thor can't adapt, and his healing factor is no where near Hulk's.
DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted "I would have to say Thor, because as strong as Hulk is, he's still a mortal. Thor is one of the Norse gods!" Stan Lees own words
DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted More info here - https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1585080/why-thor-would-beat-the-hulk-in-a-fight-according-to-stan-lee
DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted Stan Lee created both of those characters
DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted Actually that was a lie he co-created them
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 1 mo 11 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Hulk 1. Stop spamming comments.
2. Stan Lee hasn't been writing them for DECADES, so no, that argument isn't valid and will never be valid, as todays Hulk and today's Thor have gone through 60 years of evolving.
3. Do you seriously thinks he keeps up with Marvel, he's in his late 90's... GIVE THE GUY A REST, he's in retirement, he probably can't even remember every comic he's written.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 8 mo 9 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Thor Yes, Stan Lee's opinion doesn't 100% count, but it means a lot, and him saying Thor can beat Hulk is probably right. So what if they've evolved 60 years? It is Stan's choice who wins!
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SpiderGwenIsTerrible 1 y 8 mo 13 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk A completely even match up decided completely by variables. Thor has even said that he was na very able to beat hulk only toe him. So I voted hulk to even it up.
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Jordz808 1 y 10 mo 8 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Thor People saying Hulk is way stronger watch to many movies n don't read the comics, Thor at full power is just as strong if not stronger than Hulk. Hulk can be hurt, he has bled before so he's no indescribable (was badly wounded my wolverines claws)... when u add in thors ability to fly, use lighting, his hammer and fighting skills and the fact that Hulk is a mindless (no strategy) monster, then it really isn't a hard choice. Thor hands down.
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bananaman 1 y 11 mo 1 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk u kidding? hulk is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger
SirSpidey
SirSpidey 1 y 11 mo 23 d
Thor vs Hulk
3 year member
Thor Thor wins because he is a god as powerful as Zeus. Loki may be a god, but he is the runt of the litter.
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SpiderGwenIsTerrible 1 y 8 mo 13 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
Hulk Wow, that was harsh!
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austheboss17 1 y 11 mo 23 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
not voted Hulk wins hands down. If Thor's godly origin is the reason he would win, then shouldn't Loki have been able to defeat Hulk in Avengers?
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 7 mo 22 d
Thor vs Hulk
2 year member
Thor Hulk isn't close to Hyperion, Thor, or Sentry in terms of speed...
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MaxTheWizard123 1 y 1 mo 6 d
Thor vs Hulk
1 year member
not voted HEY!
Thor can just sit on a chair, sip on some juice, no sweat!
There will be no reason for Hulk to be happy. And then he will become Bruce again.
Than Thor will rip his body in half, inspiring terror and he will live happily ever after!

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