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Dear Darkwing, this forum has no ill intent aimed towards you, however, for the past several months, you have constantly been irritating me and flooding my user page with 'debunking points' entire paragraphs long from numerous past debates I have partaken in, relentlessly, now, if you wished to debate me, I would schedule you a time, but it's gone far past that, you've called me a literal demon, you leech onto every single comment I make, you clearly do not like me as a person, and that's a very destructive mentality to have, Darkwing, listen, what happens on the site, to me, is strictly professional, it has to do with debating, writing, etc, nothing personal, yet you seem to believe my motives are personal, I need you to know that it is not the case.

As TheNemianLion, I put on a character, differing from my real life character, TheNemianLion is quite prideful, and very intellectual, which is what is presented on this website as well as discord sometimes, however my friend, you are taking things WAY too seriously, you treat Daniel as Nemian, which is very destructive not only to yourself, but to me as well, because we are two completely different figures, now this brings me onto my next grievance, you constantly pitch in your opinion of my previous debates who you haven't had any involvement with to begin with, the trouble in that is it doesn't concern you and they're old points, you can't go at old points, in new debates you're supposed to refute new points in the debate we currently have, which is also another problem as we aren't debating, we're just playing a childish game you're orchestrating where you flood my page and maybe once in a while I'll refute them in five minutes or less... You have to see there's a problem here right? It's not civilized at all, it's chaotic, now, I've tried resolving this in the past and you've been okay with me, but a few days after you've completely taken a 180 like Jekyll and Hyde and came back to attack me, throwing hissy fits so commonly at me it's crazy, you need to cease with that. If you have Discord I would like to get into a video call so we can speak face to face and have an adult discussion to figure things out calmly, because I'm sick of the clearly one sided beef you have with me, thank you and best regards, I hope you take this offer to fix some things. :)

- Daniel

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Dr Manhattan and Deadpool are mostly misinformation on
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EmptyHand
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you're misinformed on everything, as you basically proved
TheOne2001
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Lol
jongensoden
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Nemian use WhatsApp to talk with him
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Dark_Wing
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Don't have that either
AkhilPDX
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That's kind of....creepy.
Dark_Wing
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How's it creepy?
Dark_Wing
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"this forum has no ill intent aimed towards you"

I gotta admit I kinda deserve this, so don't mind.

"flooding my user page with 'debunking points' entire paragraphs long from numerous past debates I have partaken in, relentlessly from debates that didn't even involve you"

Most of those arguments were stuff you said on the Thor vs Hulk worthy page which WAS a debate involving me and I did that to A: prove that I wasn't as bad of a debater as you thought I was and B: to prove that I'm not afraid to debate you.

"if you wished to debate me, I would schedule you a time"

I don't "wish to debate you" persay, I merely want to show you the debunks of your arguments and try to reason with you on the matter at hand which in this case was you Thor and Hulk ie where we left off last time. But can I respectfully ask you one request? Mind if I repost all of those arguments (except for the ones about your ego and the ones from debates that didn't involve me) and you respond to them on your own time no matter how long that be?

"you've called me a literal demon"

If you're referring to @Nightshade's profile page then realize I was just messing around and making fun of your username https://imgflip.com/i/3eip0u

"you clearly do not like me as a person"

I mean what sane person would after what you said on the Thor vs Hulk worthy page?

"You seem to think my motives are personal"

What makes you think I think that?

"As TheNemianLion, I put on a character, differing from my real life character"

Why do you feel the need to start monologuing?

"you treat Daniel as Nemian"

When exactly did I do that?

"You have to see there's a problem here right?"

Yes, I understand...or should I say i think we have an emergency :D

"throwing hissy fits so commonly at me it's crazy"

I can show you those paragraphs again and then you can tell me where I threw a "hissy fit." Shall I? Because I can tell you I didn't do that in any of those paragraphs I wrote (or at least I don't think I did).

"If you have Discord"

Which I don't and probably won't have for another year or so at LEAST. Will people quit asking me if i have discord for the last time?! Than you.

"because I'm sick of the clearly one sided beef you have with me, thank"

"One sided beef" 🤔 wonder who started this so called "one sided beef?"

"I hope you take this offer to fix some things. :)"

Okay, I do.
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TheNemianLion
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"Most of those arguments were stuff you said on the Thor vs Hulk worthy page which WAS a debate involving me and I did that to A: prove that I wasn't as bad of a debater as you thought I was and B: to prove that I'm not afraid to debate you."

Maybe so, however, that debate concluded, you shouldn't be constantly flooding my profile page with those points, because they are not current, believe me, it's become VERY clear to me that you're not afraid to debate me.

"I don't "wish to debate you" persay, I merely want to show you the debunks of your arguments and try to reason with you on the matter at hand which in this case was you Thor and Hulk ie where we left off last time."

If you don't wish to debate me, what's the point of flooding my page with paragraph after paragraph where I barely ever respond? Your motives don't make too much sense to me, we finished with the debate Darkwing, it's over man.

"If you're referring to @Nightshade's profile page then realize I was just messing around and making fun of your username"

Well you could have made it more obvious that it was a joke.

"I mean what sane person would after what you said on the Thor vs Hulk worthy page?"

Oh come on bro, it wasn't all that bad what I said, just saying you weren't a good debater doesn't fuel such a relentless response.

"What makes you think I think that?"

Due to you constantly attacking the content of my character, with comments of my ego, for example.

"Why do you feel the need to start monologuing?"

This is not a monolouge

"I can show you those paragraphs again and then you can tell me where I threw a "hissy fit." Shall I? Because I can tell you I didn't do that in any of those paragraphs I wrote (or at least I don't think I did)."

The whole problem of the hissy fits were the fact that you were sending me the number of paragraphs themselves and how long they were, you legitimately dedicated an entire Wikipedia just for me, bro that's crazy, that's obsessive behaviour.

"Which I don't and probably won't have for another year or so at LEAST. Will people quit asking me if i have discord for the last time?! Than you."

I merely offered because I wanted to chat face to face with you.

""One sided beef" 🤔 wonder who started this so called "one sided beef?""

We resolved the beef, then you came back after me, so in the beef we're CURRENTLY in, you started it, and I'm walking away from the beef.

"Okay, I do."

Okay, where would you like to communicate with me then, as you don't have discord, Skype?
Dark_Wing
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"Maybe so, however, that debate concluded"

Yuh with me debunking all your claims and you basically forfeiting, I think I've found out why you've never lost a debate :D

"... because they are not current"

Okay then tell me which ones you don't believe in anymore.

"If you don't wish to debate me, what's the point of flooding my page with paragraph after paragraph where I barely ever respond? Your motives don't make too much sense to me"

Didn't I just explain? I mean I would debate you and take pleasure and the reason that I was flooding your profile was to prove your points wrong and to prove I wasn't a bad debater which I think my most recent debates with mop and Spidey prove that pretty well. And you're ignoring the other half of my question "But can I respectfully ask you one request? Mind if I repost all of those arguments (except for the ones about your ego and the ones from debates that didn't involve me) and you respond to them on your own time no matter how long that be or even create a forum that you can respond to when you're done with your RL problems?"

"Well you could have made it more obvious that it was a joke."

Okay, I'll fix that comment. Please note that I would never willingly call someone that.

"it wasn't all that bad what I said, just saying you weren't a good debater doesn't fuel such a relentless response"

And you harassed the living crap out of me and threw a bunch of insults for no real reason so don't even think about it not being bad. Oh and do you still think I'm a bad debater because I'm pretty sure if you took the time to read any of those paragraphs then you'll think a bit differently.

"Due to you constantly attacking the content of my character, with comments of my ego, for example."

And when did I do that?

"The whole problem of the hissy fits were the fact that you were sending me the number of paragraphs themselves and how long they were, you legitimately dedicated an entire Wikipedia just for me, bro that's crazy, that's obsessive behaviour."

Okay are you telling me that you don't understand hyperboles? There is no way in heck I could possibly have a Wikipedia page of debunks for you and I was exaggerating since I sent you almost all of my debunks (which was a lot) besides if I actually had a Wikipedia page it would be a shorter one like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_the_Plank_(Zebrahead_album) and I don't leach onto every comment of yours, just a few and somehow you think that counts me leaching onto all your comments.

"I'm walking away from the beef"

*continues to figure out why you've never lost a debate*

"I merely offered because I wanted to chat face to face with you"

Oh, sorry bout that.

"Okay, where would you like to communicate with me then, as you don't have discord, Skype?"

Won't have that or any other way to live voice chat with people on the internet anytime soon thanks for asking bty.
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Dark_Wing
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Nemian: *humiliates Dark_Wing and continues to hate ob him*

Dark_Wing: *spends some time creating the ultimate debunk then posts it on his page*

Nemian * realizes they may have met his match* *resorts to apologizing rather than debunking the debunks*

Dark_Wing: I think I know why you've never lost a debate.
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This is a TROLL by the way!
Clint_Barton
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@Wing Bro, you know that's not how debate works, you can't fight outta battlefield.
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I can sympathize and empathize but talking with @Dark_Wing will help.
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You take things serious too, you just said you're professional about everything did you? I'm making an assumption right here but I think Darkwing sent those debunks because you love to be serious with him and onto others for your debates. You also say that "It's best if you don't win against me." Shows your arrogant behavior out to the others who try to debate not professional.
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ManofPower
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I hate to admit it... But @Jakcj is right fam. Not saying you're completely in the wrong. But it takes two to fight
Dark_Wing
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@Jakcj is right times infinity!
TheNemianLion
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Very excellent attempt to twist my words Jak, I never stated I'm professional at EVERYTHING I DO, I'm professional at my professions, what I've studied academically, Studio Arts, Media and Writing, however I do not claim I'm a professional of every single field there is, so don't lie like that please. Next, I am serious about debating, but what was going on with my profile comment section was NOT debating.

When I said 'It's important to me you don't win against me' I said that because I have the mentality that I don't want to lose, which makes me do well, it's a healthy mentality, never did I say I was unbeatable, that is just how you understood it, doesn't mean that's what I meant.
Dark_Wing
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" but what was going on with my profile comment section was NOT debating."

Didn't I debunk all your arguments? And you kinda just chucked out.

I'm going to show Jakcj my debunks and @Nemian you can tell me where the insults are.
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Clint_Barton
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Is it that hard to understand? Okay show me when Daniel lost a debate (during the debate). Show me. Do it. He said he isn't perfect. He never lost a debate. You guys think this is ego. Nah guys, it isn't. If Daniel his personality is intriguing to you, then stay away.
Dark_Wing
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@Clint I was messing with him and making fun of the FACT he said I was afraid to debate him and humiliated me but now it's the other way around.
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Okay @Jakcj here's my debunks, I'm posting them to prove that I wasn't just "playing a childish game with @Nemian"

1: You said Hulk was merely playing with Thor because he doesn't want to hurt his friend and used a few examples of Hulk being stronger than Thor one of which being Fear Itself an example of Thor only being able to BFR Hulk but here's my rebuttal: Hulk was also knocked out https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d8e9e7f0ee061596597210a414dd578 oh, and that Hulk was amped by Cul and was calling himself Nul the Breaker of Worlds. If you want proof that Hulk was amped here you go: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3dd1037821b10be7d14d12374892a7ac and https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c96d66f868331cfc4d95d180478d5c92 Thor was clearly being sarcastic when he said he could never beat the Hulk which is evident by the fact that he tries to after saying that so that doesn't count and he only fell unconscious due to not only being beaten down by the Serpent and a prolonged brawl with an amped Hulk and amped Thing (Thing effortlessly bodied Red Hulk https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0bed7f9bd3622a72ade88d3f6fb479e5 who is relative to green Hulk) meaning Thor in an injured state had to battle two above base Hulk level opponents and still held his own for quite a while; this example puts Thor far above base Hulk because he held his own against two bloodthirsty beings who were MUCH stronger than base Hulk individually. Also If Hulk was merely toying with Thor because he doesn't want to hurt him then why has he admitted himself to be afraid of Mjolnir twice and how was Thor able to fight on par with a mindless/super savage form of Hulk in #10 of the classic Defenders comic? But I will concede that Hulk is physically stronger than Thor, just not a thousand times stronger. Though breaking out of Plastne Thane is not enough to justify Hulk being equal to 10X amped Thor, I can argue that Thor was weaker during Ghosts of the Future though I won't because A: my argument has a lot of assumptions in it and very quickly became little more than my fan theory and B: the author wanted that comic to show that Hulk can far surpass Thor to a point where bloodlused 10X Thor was a dead equal to him. And I find it noteworthy to say that Hulk never held down Warrior Madness Thor, the best he got was this https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-84f65e5e1c28781c4f568fd3e90fea92 being equal to him which is still pretty impressive and puts him far above Thor's level. Another thing is if Hulk was a ten or thousand times stronger than Thor then why couldn't Hulk just incapacitated Thor without hurting him the same way he dose to soldiers who aren't nearly as durable as Thor https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5e1195a55baa6ddb0a466d058e5442c but instead he has to let Thor get the upper hand on him?
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Dark_Wing
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2: Thor is unable to drawl blood from Red Hulk, Hulk drawls blood"

Me: also Red Hulk beats Hulk and had the potential to kill him while a pissed off Thor nearly killed him with three hits before A-Bomb talked him down; Hulk had to prove he was the strongest there is while Thor had nothing to prove. I don't remember Rulk bleeding but from Hulk's punches but if he was then comic art dose not paint either character as the superior. Also suppressed Thor gave Red Hulk an X shaped injury on his forehead with his first swing from Mjolnir while Hulk couldn't do that. Oh, and Thor also drew blood from Red Hulk in Hulk (2008) #26 ...so... oh, keep in mind that Red Hulk bodied your green savior twice with Thor saving him both times while Thor was bodying and nearly KILLED Red Hulk (the same Red Hulk who bodied Bruce Hulk) when he was pissed off and A-Bomb has to stop him saying "Thor is a god!" "Thor is the greatest warrior!" This is Hulks fight to prove to the world and himself that he's the strongest there is." I think the narrative of the comic is obvious Thor > Red Hulk > Hulk. Can you not understand the narrative of the comics you read? I guess not rather you have to try to use the way a writer drew the comic to justify your claims. Again it doesn't matter if he didn't draw blood (which he would have had A-Bomb not stopped him) what dose matter was Thor was relatively easily blitzing and killing a guy who just humiliated the "Hulk" https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4f2556b42dbc2f6c21e326cd2cc521bb
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Dark_Wing
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3: "Gladiator fights on par with Thor while Hulk destroys Gladiator"

Me: if you've read the comic you'd know that Hulk merely stunned him with a thunderclap which was really effective on Gladiator's enhanced hearing stunning him and then he beat the crap outa him while he was stunned and couldn't do anything about it, that's not really a fair comparison. Also I find it noteworthy to mention how inconsistent Gladiator is really inconsistent I mean in one comic he fights on par with Thor in another he gets thrown like a bug by Jean Grey (who did NOT have the Phoenix Force at that point) it wasn't even a fight Kallarak just got thrown around and was completely helpless and in another Nova fights on par with him, and in another it takes two Phoenix Force hosts to put him down, and then in another he gets rekt by Gambit, FREAKING GAMBIT of all people destroyed Gladiator!

4: "Hulk has speed blitzed Thor a few times"

Me: I've never seen that happen so please give me the comic number for where that happens. The closest Hulk ever gets to that is when he cheap shotted Thor in Hulk Let the Battle Begin and in #1 of Jonathan Hickman's Avengers run.
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Dark_Wing
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5: "Emma Frost Phoenix humiliates Thor while Hulk knocks her unconscious and she stayed down for 15 minutes"

Me: you have no proof that she was knocked out for 15 minutes, heck the next time we see Emma in that comic she bodies Hulk and has barely any sign of injury and the reason we don't see her and Hulk's fight until later is because there is a crap ton of other stuff that is happening at the same time and they can't show it all at once. Assuming he did knock Emma out then Hulk merely caught Emma off guard (she wasn't even in her diamond form, you know, the diamond form possibly suppressed Thor shattered like glass!) and even that barley did anything too her! And no Emma did not have "her way with him and turn Thor into a puddle" Thor was destroying Emma until Thor let his guard down thinking he won https://images.app.goo.gl/1SK7cyQg1Xwvjw5c8, she literally got the drop on him injuring him to a point where he would have a MUCH harder time fighting in an injured state oh, and even a fragment of the Phoenix Force is ridiculously OPed so it makes scenes as for why she could damage Thor so easily, I think the comic made it clear that Thor was more powerful than Emma given that she had to cheat to beat him. Saying Hulk is superior to Thor because of that is like saying I would be a better fighter than you if I snuck up and backstabbed a UFC wrestler who beat the everliving crap out of you. It's arguments like this that make me wonder weather you're truly infinitely smarter than me because even my dog would know that the Emma Frost thing isn't a fair comparison. Also do you not think Thor wouldn't restrain himself against a woman especially one of class like Emma especially when it was stated in the comic that Thor didn't want to fight her? If you want to use AVX then remember Thor knocked out the unhosted Phoenix Force (not PIS because the Phoenix Force was explicitly shown to be weakened prior and has "it's wings clipped") while Hulk was handled by Cyclops who only had half of the Phoenix Force meaning the Phoenix Force Thor redirected/KOed was like 2X stronger than the Emma Hulk was barley able to injure despite cheap shotting her and the Cyclops that Hulk was manhandled by. And yes Thor did MUCH MORE than just redirect it https://youtu.be/ea05HOAqGvE Weather he damaged the Phoenix Force or just redirected it it's still a better feat than cheap shotting Emma and barley doing anything. Oh, and Thor did beat Rachel Grey who had the full might of the Phoenix Force in Thor (1969) #428 *whispers* which is literally infinitely superior to what Hulk did to Emma. Once again you're only presenting the example that YOU want us to see! Pfft cherry picking Hulk's best showing against a Phoenix host and comparing it to Thor's worst showing.
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Dark_Wing
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6: Hulk beat Onslaught's form while Thor couldn't even damage him"

Me: Hulk only did that after Jean Grey separated him from Banner meaning he normally wouldn't be able to do that at his norm. Thor was also able to punch through hosted Onslaught's armor and save Charles Xavier from him in Uncanny X-Men (1963) #336 https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c89a42f901eaf6a1259de6f83d5295a3 (keep in mind Onslaught with a mutant host (especially an Omega Level one) is stronger than unhosted Onslaught ie the one Hulk beat), could Hulk do that before he was separated from Banner? If you want to use non Banner suppressed Hulk then you can also use Warriors Madness Thor and if base Thor could punch right through Onslaught then imagine what a 10X amped Thor would have done to him.

7: if you want to use those examples then one could say Thor is superior because he faught on par with Zeus _King Sized Annual Thor #7 the same Zeus who turned Hulk into a puddle of green blood without using any of his powers _Incredible Hulks #622, Thor injured Thanos and briefly contended with him same Thanos who one punched Indestructible Hulk, Indestructible Hulk was then beaten by Proxima Midnight who is much weaker than Thanos _Avengers Infinity, he's humiliated Ironman in Thor (2007) #3 meanwhile Ironman has beaten your multiversal savior _Ironman #132 and went been able to hurt and take hits from him on three other occasions (Hulk Smash Avengers, Avengers Assemble (2012) #4, and Avengers Season 1), Hulk's never been able to dent the Silver Surfer (even when he was weakened on Sakar) while Thor did that to him in Thor (2011) #5 and that Silver Surfer was amped after Annihilation which makes this even more impressive, World War Hulk was unable to break Emma Frost's diamond form meanwhile Thor has no problem shattering PHOENIX Emma's diamond form, young Thor (who wasn't worthy of Mjolnir) bodied a monster who was stated to be as strong as the Hulk _God of Thunder #21, and in the Sentry solo sires the Void EFFORTLESSLY broke every bone in Hulk's body which required him to spend several days healing while Thor killed the Void in Siege #4 keep in mind Sentry wanted to die but Void did not. So don't go their.
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Dark_Wing
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE THING VERY CLEAR: @Nemian if you're reading this keep in mind I'm actually unsure who's superior between Thor and Hulk (currently I see the two as equals but again that's when Thor's suppressing himself https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-eabd835669f28d502072564e0b62e1e8 and Hulk is being subconsciously restrained by Bruce Banner https://images.app.goo.gl/VsbPACod4dAmXy1i6 so in actuality I don't know who truly wins so I call it a stalemate. Nevertheless my reasoning for putting my debunks here is A: to show @Jakcj that I wasn't just trolling you and B: so you could see the sheer amount of insults (sarcasm) within these debunks.
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@Dark_Wing Gladiator's powers depend on how confident he's feeling at the time which explains the inconsistencies.
Going into warrior madness is a double edged sword because Thor loses his intelligence. Was that link canon about Thor holding back?
jongensoden
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1 hulk has litteraly destroyed Thor in the past he don't want to Hurt him because he is his best friends so he hold always back
jongensoden
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2 hulk consistently destroys Red hulk
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3 agreed with tyrannus
jongensoden
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4 i kinda agree
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5 both hulk and Thor would end onslaught
Dark_Wing
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1: LoL @Jongensoden, I wrote an entire paper disproving that very thing while proving Thor and Hulk are relative in terms of strength. Would you like to try to disprove it? If you want to use Hulk holding back then we also get to use Thor holding back; now imagine what would happen if Thor let lose heck don't imagine it take a look at this https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-172adacc0eea4bbd5761b8f14de47bf5-c

2: no, they constantly fight on par proving that they are comparable.

3: I'll get to you in a few seconds @Tyrannus

4: what do you mean by "kinda agree?" Would you like to try and disprove it?

5: then why didn't either of them do that in the comics?

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@Tyrannus I'm well aware of how Gladiator's powers work and the drawbacks that come with Warrior Madness, the reason I brought it up was because Onslaught never fought Warrior Madness Thor and I find it a little unfair to use a feat from Mindless Hulk and say that that on it's own puts him above Thor in his base. And that link was kinda canon, I mean it came from a what if comic but the only difference between that universe and the main 616 universe is that the heroes lost in the what if story meaning by this logic at some point in time in the Earth 616 universe Thor told Cap that very thing about him holding back which means it should count. If you want more proof in Earth 616 to prove this statement then here you go: the Ragnorok clone of Thor is far weaker than the real Thor as the real Thor was easily able to defeat and destroy the clone though despite the clone being weaker than Thor he is far more dangerous because he didn't hold back. If you want a canon link here https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/img_9299-0.png. And there is evidence to imply Thor would suppress himself against Emma Phoenix and here it is: Thor doesn't like hurting girls https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d7d8191a86e4223e5246d38d9eb8e776 and in the comic itself AvX #4 Emma is described as "fragile" and Thor explicitly said he didn't want to fight her. Oh, and how did you like those debunks @Tyrannus?
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