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TheOverlord
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Cyttorak https://i.imgur.com/6Mg0QA5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/36ftBA7.jpg

Above are two links to two comic panels. With them I have a pretty easy way of proving just how much more powerful Cyttorak is then Dormammu.

In the first panel please note that Strange states that Dormammu is at his most powerful right then because he is channeling all the power of his dimension into the attack. This threatens to consume the universe, a powerful attack to be sure. And his shield of the Seraphim he states won't last long, however it is enduring the full powered attack of Dormammu.

The second panel depicts strange again in the shield of the Seraphim, summoned to the Seraphim themselves. They are in need of his help in a war and so they are willing to channel their power through him. However Cyttorak will have none of that, and with a single hand at what appears to be little effort he grabs the shield of the Seraphim and cracks it...with a single hand.

Dormammu channels his dimensions power into an attack which makes him more powerful then ever, takes time to break the shield.

Cyttorak is outside his dimension in the realm of the Seraphim, cracks the shield of the Seraphim with a single hand.

Not to mention Cyttorak has managed to battle all seven of his fellow Octessence members and defeated them all at once easily, each of which beings are as infinitely powerful with their own dimensions. Several of their names have even been invoked in Stranges spells to great effect.

https://i.imgur.com/93dsmw5.jpg

In this panel above you can see how powerful the Seraphim are. They are so powerful even the Living Tribunal invokes them to protect himself from the rings of Raggadorr, another of the Octessense.

https://i.imgur.com/yU3bQE8.jpg

In this image again Strange proves just how powerful Octessense spells can be as he invokes Ikonn, and with it he manages to actually make Galactus scream. No small feat for just a fraction of channeled power.

With this I hope I have proved in a way just how powerful Cyttorak is. Many do not know the true power he possesses, but he is not an opponent to be trifled with. I beg all of you to reconsider your votes on the winner here.
TheOverlord
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Love yall too.
TheOverlord
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Team Cthulhu The highest form of Godzilla has survived the heart of a black hole completely unscathed.

Cthulhu's true form also drives any who gaze upon it insane. He knows everything that happens in the universe at once, can manifest the fears of those around him at will, can bend reality around those that he entraps, and can not be killed by any means less then the power of an outer god. Just to give you context if you want some information on the people our heroes are fighting.
TheOverlord
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What feats does Dormammu have in the MCU that makes him so impressive to you guys? As far as I know in the one movie he is in he is defeated by a single infinity stone wielded by doctor strange and is held out of our universe by three magic gateways. However what that one scene shows us is that unlike in the comics in the MCU Infinity stones work in other dimensions, meaning that if Dormammu and Thanos with the Gauntlet fought then the Infinity Stones would have the same effect on Dormammu as on everybody else. Thanos could snap Dormammu away with the Gauntlet in the MCU because of how the stones are shown to work in my opinion.
TheOverlord
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Phoenix Force Indeed.
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not voted Yes I meant normal versions but at their best lol. Information wise how about just the general like who they are fighting and the basics on their abilities? And the planet can be mostly abandoned but maybe like a small village somewhere or a city or something IDK.
TheOverlord
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not voted Also who is sylar?
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not voted We got go for the absolute maximum in this fight and say that every character is at their peak. This would probably make for the most interesting fight, but with the way Manhattan has been shown recently may be slightly unfair. So I would be willing to not use the most recent feats and keep him held back in the sake of fairness. Location won't really matter since we both have characters that can destroy universes but let's say a large planetoid somewhere in space. I'll also be honest my team would work alot better with prep so I will leave that your call.
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not voted Thanks lol Sorry I missed it earlier I guess how long ago did this happen? Anyways what terms are you looking for? What you got on your mind?
TheOverlord
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Why? That would just make his durability 100 right? I mean can it move faster then light, outthink a genius, stop a train with a finger, or even kill anything? I mean it is just a really hard to kill lizard why would all the stats be 100?
TheOverlord
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Team Phineas Flynn Iron Man won't kill children will he?
TheOverlord
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Unicron Unicron is considered a threat to all of existence and has consumed 22% of the multiverse. His mere presence corrupts beings into doing his bidding. Anti-Monitor literally has no hope of winning, Unicron has hundreds of universes to draw power from and retreat into if necessary, and in his universes he is unbeatable.
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not voted Now this one I like lol. I'm going to have to think about it for a bit. Well done my friend!
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Team White Phoenix of the Crown I still think WPOTC, Franklin, and Mathew have the potential to solo. Combine them and they will obliterate. Your going to need abstracts and maybe even Spectre to stand a chance for team 2.
TheOverlord
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Team White Phoenix of the Crown Not gonna lie WPOTC solo's. But with her team the other side stands zero chance.
TheOverlord
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not voted Well I suppose it would have to depend on which version of this character then. I mean I would personally follow the creators of the beast as opposed to those who gained his rights but there have been so many uses of Godzilla over the years it would be hard to pin which it is. I mean some have been harmed by missiles while the one you brought up is clearly OP, so the question is which do we go with. I would personally block the outliers so all the top feats and all the low feats(Like Zilla). And that means a mid-tier Godzilla. And I think Ancalagon can beat the mid-tier Godzilla.
TheOverlord
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not voted This would be a fight lol. Godzilla is the height of a skyscraper, but Ancalagon is larger then entire mountains. Infact, upon his death his body fell and it cracked the peaks of three mountains. That alone makes Ancalagon far larger then Godzilla. The fact is, this would be a fantastic fight considering Godzilla often struggles against flying enemies such as Ghidorah. And Ancalagon is far larger then Ghidorah. So what do y'all think?
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TheOverlord 1 y 11 mo 9 d
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My team will be
1. Phantom Stranger
2. Legion
3. Amazo
4. Sentry
5. Onslaught
6. Mephisto
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TheOverlord 1 y 11 mo 10 d
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Thanks lol. Yours it pretty great as well.
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TheOverlord 1 y 11 mo 10 d
3 year member
I'll take the challenge as well. My team is
1. Dr. Manhattan
2. Legion
3. Goku
4. Mephisto
5. Flash(Barry Allen)
6. Nova
TheOverlord
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Team Vision I follow the canon, plus I never cared much for the EU. But in star wars Canon we have seen how powerful Luke is and he can't beat Iron Man. As for the other EU characters they may exist in a non canon material but they only exist in that non canon which means that is their canon as that is where they are from. If I wanted to choose a villain from a non canon comic and he only appeared in that comic then his abilities and powers would be that the non canon comic states as that is that characters only canon. So no Luke is not Grandmaster or any other Luke, from the Picture I'd say this is maybe slightly post Return of the Jedi.
TheOverlord
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Team Vision This is just Luke Skywalker do you see a Grandmaster Skywalker anywhere on his name? This is the canon Luke and he has not got anywhere near enough power to harm vision.
TheOverlord
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Team Vision Luke Vs Vision*
Obi Wan Vs Scarlet Witch*
Durge Vs Iron Man*
Boba Fett* Vs Captain America
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Boba Fett Vs Vision, Scarlet Witch, Iron Man*
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan Lol well that seems to settle it nicely then XD.
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan As will I. Personally I would love to hear arguments for the other team it is entirely possible there is something I didn't realize that they possess.
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan Fair enough but as listed his other abilities would still make that a moot point. Between Legion and Manhattan my team has the ability to massively replicate themselves and gain each others powers at an immeasurable capacity. I mean what if Legion touched a clone of Manhattan and absorbed the clones power? He wouldn't need to warp reality, it was just one thing I listed he could do. But even if he doesn't all the other things are still plausible for him to do.
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan Legion would engage Sauron after he was done with the others, honestly Legion could warp reality to fit his teams needs if needed or neutralize their powers. Not to mention he can also duplicate, teleport to any character just by thinking, and then absorb their soul. He could teleport to flash instantly and absorb his soul and thus all his abilities as well, and do the same to the others. Legion could throw the entire other team into another dimension, negate their powers, or duplicate himself by touching enemies or even his own team members and gain their powers. He can also use his omniscience to know all their weaknesses as Manhattan has precognition and would know the question to ask.
TheOverlord
3 year member
Team Dr Manhattan Okay so I could do a rundown of 1v1's but I'd like to start as though this was a team fight. Manhattan will attack Captain Atom first as he will deduce he is the greatest threat. Manhattan basically has all of Atom's powers but his have been shown to be better in most every way and with the ability to duplicate himself I'd say he wins after a very high energy battle. Legion will instantly nullify Sinestro by changing his emotional spectrum so he can do nothing with his ring. After that he will neutralize Professor X who will have been engaged mentally by Freddy. Flash and Zoom will be locked in high speed combat for the whole fight as their powers are equal. By this point Shadowcat and Iron Man will be working together to hold back raven, and thanks to Shadowcat's intangibility they will be very effective. This effectively neutralizes everyone on the other team. Thoughts?
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan Hm well that will make it slightly more difficult. Thank you though.
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan Just to be clear we get the more powerful version of each character in the database right, like Hulk would be WW hulk so my Iron man can be Endo-Sym Iron Man right?
TheOverlord
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Team Dr Manhattan So this is my team vs @TheSuspect666's team. I'm not missing anything am I?
TheOverlord
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Oh don't forget Gurren laggen. That final form is larger then a universe, and that giga drill is larger then that by 15 fold easily. It literally accidentally destroyed universes in its final fight with the anti spirals.
TheOverlord
3 year member
Cyttorak Oh and here is a bonus I know people can appreciate I will post the panel but basically Strange uses the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak to stop a raging Hulk. Hulk is encircled by the bands completely, and try as he might with all his strength he can not escape them. He even admits his punches have absolutely no effect. Though yes there is another way out but he kinda cheats because while they may encircle him they weren't tethered to anything so he was able to move with them around him. But still the fact is Hulk admitted that he couldn't break the Bands.
https://i.imgur.com/wdPBzzw.png
TheOverlord
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Cyttorak Here is a bit more proof. I'll post some panels but basically Dormammu was releasing his full energy by channeling energy straight from the Dark Dimension and into himself and blasting strange with it. Strange takes protection with the Shield of the Seraphim, and though he states that it can not hold for long it is still holding against Dormammu's full powered attack.
Panel: https://i.imgur.com/6Mg0QA5.jpg
Now contrast to this next panel, when an Aspect of Cyttorak is abducting Strange. Strange uses the shield of the Seraphim to protect himself. Notice The Seraphim are actually around him and protecting him, all of them in a circle as they need Strange to channel their power to help win the war. Cyttorak simply grabs the shield, and it actually cracks just from his strength. He cracked with one hand what Dormammu couldn't with a full energy blast.
Panel: https://i.imgur.com/6Mg0QA5.jpg
TheOverlord
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Cyttorak Actually the comic states that the closer one sits to the throne of Satan the more powerful they are, and as is clearly obvious from the panel Cyttorak sits directly to the right or the throne of Satan. To his right is Mephisto, and behind them both is Dormammu. Surtur's seat is further down the line, probably near or across from Mephisto. So as seen just in that panel Cyttorak is the most powerful as his seat is literally on the right hand of Satan. Here is the panel.
https://i.imgur.com/6ERb4Di.jpg
As for Juggernaut no the comic says right there in plain sight that it is the Serpents Aspect in which Cyttorak could defeat, the Serpent aspect and while you could arhue that Kuurth could be what is refereed to the fact is that is not what the comic says, it does not say Kuurth breaker of stones will is says The Serpent, which is Cul. You yourself always say to take comics at their word, and that is the exact word used. Panel below.
https://i.imgur.com/7pYcMbb.jpg
TheOverlord
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Sauron & Melkor Melkor is multiversal as well, he just exists in a universe where the other universes are young. He also has his own dimension. If it weren't for Iluvitar he would have destroyed the Universe just to watch it burn. If he had more to destroy he would.
TheOverlord
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Sauron & Melkor It's fine lol. Bombadill existed before Melkor's second coming and it was likely he was a member of the group of powerful magic users that banished Melkor, but it is never specified how old the dude actually is. He has defeated many of the dark lords forces, but never Melkor, and Melkor was stated to be the most powerful. So it is safe to say that in a 1v1 Melkor would win. But I've never really had the best understanding of Tom, he is an oddball.
TheOverlord
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Sauron & Melkor I don't understand your question.
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Sauron & Melkor Here is my statement on this fight. Melkor can only be affected by extreme magical attacks. I mean the guy shrugged off getting hit by the combined power of every star ever to exist like it was nothing and tanked magical attacks from those who weave the universe itself. He is also beyond deaths domain, and even his creator who is basically god stated he is the only being powerful enough to defeat Melkor. And even then it isn't by much as Melkor seeded discord into the creators music, and the creator didn't even notice. Melkor is said to be the most powerful of all magic users, more powerful then them all combined. I don't know if he can kill Odin, but he will certainly survive.
TheOverlord
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Cyttorak I knew I forgot something lol. Anyways, here are the comics in which is is stated that Cyttorak sits closest to the throne of Satan and is the most militant of them all.
Journey into Mystery 1#627 is the proof, check around page 8.
Thunderbolts 160, Fear Itself storyline in for the part where it is stated that Cain could beat the Serpent if he choose to.
I have many other proofs I could post but at this point I think my point is clear.
TheOverlord
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Cyttorak Also Mephisto went as far to say that Cyttorak was the closest to all demons and Hell lords to claiming the throne of the true Satan, and was the most powerful of all demons, surpassing Dormammu, Surtur, Marduk Kurios, Shuma Gorath, etc. This was stated by Mephisto during a meeting of the Devils advocacy when they met to discuss the growing threat of The Serpent(Odin's brother). Of course that was shattered the moment Colossus/Juggernaut nearly killed the Serpent. It was also stated that when the Serpent possessed Cain he could have resisted using Cyttorak's power but chose not to. This means Cyttorak's presence within a host is enough to resist the control of Odin's own brother. So now it is established that Cyttorak is the most powerful of all demons(Besides Satan himself) and his mere presence could have beaten a being near on par with Odin. I hope that is enough to satisfy you on why Cyttorak wins.
TheOverlord
3 year member
Cyttorak Another thing so I have been doing a lot more digging into Dr Strange and his spells. So here goes some long strands of connections.
Ok so the shield of the Seraphim is one of Stranges most used defensive spells, which has protected him from dimensional collapses and attacks from powerful beings.
In Doctor Strange 3 #37 it completely blocks an attack from The SIlver Surfers power cosmic, not a scratch.
Black Knight 2#3 he uses the shield to repel a horde of demons
In Doctor Strange 3#7 he invoked the names of The Octessence and Dormammu to banish Agamotto with the Seraphim.
In Strange Tales 1#158 The living Tribunal actually invokes the Seraphim to trap strange, completely overreiding his spell and the Rings of Raggadorr.
These are just a few items I can now list there are literally dozens more of the Seraphim withstanding massive attacks and not even showing signs of breaking. A mere minion of Cyttorak was able to crack the shield of The Seraphim with a single hand as mentioned below.
TheOverlord
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Thor Technically the force is also caused by physical objects as it links all thinks together, people rocks and also the physical universe, so it is still not going to affect Mjolnir. And lightsabers exist in a universe where Uru metal and Thor do not exist, as well as things like adamantium which also would not be cut by a lightsaber. And to top it all I say again Thor is literally billions of times faster and stronger then Obi. Also About the force I've seen more powerful Force users struggle to lift spacecraft and large rocks with the force, Obi probably wouldn't even be able to effect Thor or his hammer in any way even if he got the chance.
TheOverlord
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Thor What? Both Thor and his hammer have survived being inside a star, and Thor typically treats heat like it's nothing. All odds are the light-saber would do nothing to either Thor and it definitely would do nothing to Mjolnir. Also, the fact is Magneto's power is to control metal objects, it isn't physical it's just magnetism and yet he can't affect the hammer, neither would the force. And Thor is also way faster, stronger, and a better warrior then Obi. Not even a fight just Thor beating some poor old man to death.
TheOverlord
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Thor Thor is not weak willed so a Jedi mind trick wouldn't effect him, and what would being thrown into space do to him? He regularly flies in space. All Thor has to do to win is throw his hammer at faster then light-speed at Obi, Obi doesn't have fast enough reflexes to dodge or even attempt to use the Force to stop it, which the Force would be unable to do anyways because to have any effect on the hammer it has to declare you worthy. Even Magneto with his absolute control over metal couldn't stop the hammer.
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Team Superman (Post-Crisis) All Might Vs Superman*
Deku Vs Supergirl*
Avatar Vs Iceman*
Godzilla Vs Phoenix*
Goku* Vs Deadpool
Vegeta Vs Shazam*
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Goku Vs Superman, Supergirl, Iceman, Phoenix, Shazam*
TheOverlord
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Team Superman (Post-Crisis) Indeed, there are so many ways for Team 2 to win it isn't even fair.
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Team Anti-Monitor This fight will come down to Spectre Vs Beyonder, and I'd give it to Beyonder more often then not.
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Team X-23 Yeah Dormammu kind of throws that side out of balance. Majorly lol.