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The Writer

Grant Morrison

Prime DC Comics Universe

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CosmicKingThor
CosmicKingThor 1 mo 18 d
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The writer is killed by freaking fodder werewolf so how he will get infinite
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 23 d
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Before someone starts complaining, no, he's not getting upgraded to tier 10.
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R165
R165 1 mo 23 d
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Add The Presence and Elaine Belloc
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 23 d
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The Presence and Elaine can definitely get it. The Writer won't though.
R165
R165 1 mo 23 d
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If it's like that, Oversoul Spectre can also because he absorbs The Presence (Oversoul) and merges with Overvoid.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 23 d
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If tier 10 is simply boundless, several characters can have it.
R165
R165 1 mo 23 d
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Yes it is but I haven't seen The Presence and Elaine Belloc upgraded
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 23 d
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It's not going to happen right this moment. Patience please.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 23 d
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@AkhilPDX If you upgrade Presence and Ellaine, would you upgrade TOAA as well.
R165
R165 1 mo 23 d
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@Tigerking2020 why upgrade TOAA? He has got Omnipotent and Infinite.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 23 d
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His tier isn't set to 10 yet.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 23 d
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Well, that just demonstrates your ignorance.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 23 d
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If that makes you feel better, go ahead and say it but it's not going to get anyone upgraded.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 1 mo 25 d
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"Writer deserves infinite"
- somebody idk
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX If Stan Lee and Jack Kirby are infinite why can't The Writer (Grant Morrison) get Infinite?
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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The Writer is Limbo tier. That's why. Stan Lee & Jack Kirby would be House of Ideas tier. There's a very big difference.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX He is the same as Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Grant Morrison is a writer who writes DC characters and he only lives in Limbo but doesn't have to be at Limbo level.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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If you have something to prove why he's above, sure but no, you will not scale Grant Morrison to Marvel's Cosmology to say he's the same.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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Not helpful in the slightest.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX The Writer is the Writer of all DC characters and even beings like Divine Presence admit that a being has created it:
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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Say what you will but none of his feats put him above Limbo nor does anything prove that he's all DC writers. "Above All Others" is a vague personification in Marvel. There's several, each being an avatar of the other. If you're referring to the one in Infinity Conflict, you're not helping your case whatsoever. The Presence actually has good feats. The Overvoid has good feats. This is something @Tahsin and @EmptyHand have proven so many times. Now, I don't care if you think I shouldn't be an editor but the stats by what you've shown so far won't change. Especially so if he keeps being compared to TOAA.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX Does only him living in Limbo mean he is a Limbo tier? Someone like Superman who lives on Earth doesn't make him an Earth tier.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 25 d
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You're really making me mad. Both TOAA and The Writer are the writers of their respective verses. The canvas that the Writer draws on is not greater than the Writer themselves. From an interview, GM says

He's talking about how the overvoid was drawn on by the writers against its will. In the Animal Man run you literally see the story progressing based on how the Writer is writing it on his computer.

He's literally part of the metafictional real world.

Him "dying" is just part of the story he's writing.

Oh, and for your point about how the Writer isn't boundless? It's past time I debunked your ass.
https://vsdebating.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer_(DC_Comics)
https://character-level.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer
https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer_(DC_Comics)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer
https://marvel-dc.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer
https://characterrealms.fandom.com/wiki/The_Writer_(DC_Comics)

Six websites all agree the Writer is boundless. So please stop trying to find excuses for not changing the stats.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 25 d
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@Mr_Incognito this sums it up very well, amazing job.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 25 d
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@R165 Akhil is just a marvel fanboy who changes stats without even telling people. If you add a character to the database, expect him to steal the editing rights from you since he doesn't like your stats. Even if GM himself showed up on his doorstep and told him the Writer is Tier 0 he'd still deny it.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX to be honest, what is in Limbo is not The Writer but only the avatar.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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Only difference with TOAA is... well, he's everything. Everything is part of the process. He has complete authority over all of Marvel and anything that happens is under his control.

With the Writer, nah. I don't think so. He doesn't write everything because he's only one author and nothing signifies that his "true form" is all authors.


When he wrote himself into continuity, he became bound by it and was under the control of someone else. It's not an avatar of an avatar thing from what this shows.


And that's why he died, plus he couldn't write quick enough.


>"It's past time I debunked your ass"
> Proceeds to post links to 6 websites.

If you wanted to so desperately debunk me, I expected better than you posting links to 6 websites.

Also, quite frankly, this attitude of yours is another great reason why some characters you want upgraded don't get upgraded. When it doesn't happen, you go and throw a fit about how people are Marvel fanboys. A great number of profiles edited by you get high stats that they don't deserve and when confronted about it, your reasoning isn't enough. When someone tries to change it, you just go, "I added it to the site." As if that gives you enough to randomly change a profile as you see fit. Plus, if Grant Morrison did show up and told me the Writer is boundless, that would be concerning as writers shouldn't scale but even then, he wrote Animal Man #26 so I doubt he'd say that.
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R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX Jack Kirby was also just a writer but he got Infinite.
Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX why would you have his attitude reflect on the downgrading of some characters on here, he is clearly being serious of what he was trying to prove.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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Jack Kirby didn't get himself killed by his own creation by trapping himself in a story.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX he is not bound by the story but he is just writing himself to get killed.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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@Tigerking2020 If he was, I'd expect him to be a little more mature or at least a little bit more of his insults.

@R165 Not what the comic shows.
R165
R165 1 mo 25 d
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@AkhilPDX It was written on the previous panel when he wrote that he would be eaten by the Werewolf also Jack Kirby has appeared on the comics and played with F4, Grant Morrison was only playing with Animal Man.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 25 d
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That Jack Kirby was an aspect of TOAA which is shown so much in Marvel. If anything, this would prove the Writer is an aspect of the Presence and clearly not a good one. And no, it was not written on the previous panel.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 25 d
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It's because i'm losing my patience with you.
MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 1 mo 25 d
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Writer deserve ♾️
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Ti
Tigerking2020 1 mo 25 d
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I second this.
CosmicKingThor
CosmicKingThor 1 mo 18 d
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So werewolf deserves omnipotent
Ti
Tigerking2020 2 mo 10 d
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How does Lucifer have a score higher than this character, He has the ability to erase him from the story if he wanted to.
Ti
Tigerking2020 2 mo 10 d
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The writer is omnipotent, those characters wouldn't exist w/o him.
Deathstroke_01
Deathstroke_01 2 mo 29 d
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He is writer but not omnipotent? Or make Presence omnipotent
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Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 30 d
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Fodder of Limbo
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 30 d
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Yeah, no. Stop calling everything fodder. This is the supreme being of DC, the incarnation of all of the writers who write the stories.
Atemporal
Atemporal 2 mo 30 d
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Because you say so, I believe you.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 30 d
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You should.
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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The Writer is no weaker than Limbo, he creates Rita Farr who is above DC totality!
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 19 d
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From DC themselves: Being completely beyond all stories and hierarchies within DC, The Writer is all-powerful and completely unknowable from the perspectives of their characters. Likewise, no character can comprehend the complete Writer, instead of only being capable of interacting with representations. Thus while multiple writers of differing ages, genders, and tastes may manifest in DC to interact with and affect their creations, they are all only aspects of a collective Writer responsible for all stories.
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R165
R165 3 mo 19 d
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Lots of exaggerated statistics for Marvel characters!
R165
R165 3 mo 25 d
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@Editor to edit this? He's supposed to be the character of the Omnipotent in DC cosmology comparable to TOAA!
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 25 d
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Please don't ping Galactus. The Writer is not equal to TOAA in the slightest. Even in DC, there are characters stronger than he is.
R165
R165 3 mo 25 d
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@Akhil lol DC doesn't even have tier-0 characters
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 20 d
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@Akhilpdx If this was your doing, change him back. He is equal to if not above the one above all. Grant Morrison has confirmed the Writer is all of the writers in one being who wrote the first story in the Overvoid. There are not any DC characters stronger than him.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 19 d
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Assuming that was true, the Writer would still not be above the One Above All, nor would he be powerful enough to get omnipotence.
R165
R165 3 mo 19 d
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@AkhilPDX You said a lot of characters on top of The Writer, tell me who they are.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 19 d
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Depends on how you want to scale DC. You could say it's the Presence or someone else like Retconn Corps, Ahl, or the Leviathan of Stories. Maybe all of them.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 mo 19 d
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Retconn Corps & Ahl fodder
R165
R165 3 mo 19 d
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@AkhilPDX That's not possible, The Presence itself admits that someone created it and it is likely The Writer, and The Writer should create the whole character of DC because he is a representation of the writers.
R165
R165 3 mo 19 d
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@EmptyHand someone who can wipe out DC is not fodder
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 3 mo 19 d
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They can only wipe out creation lmao
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 19 d
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@Akhilpdx The writer is the DC equivalent of TOAA. He transcends all of fiction and is the omnipotent being of DC. Grant Morrison HIMSELF has confirmed this. You should do the right thing and put omnipotence back. All of those characters were written by the Writers of DC, which is what this character is.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 19 d
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Then I wonder why you think he might be above. Let's ignore that for now though. TOAA also represents all the readers, editors, and artists of the verse. The Writer does not. More importantly, that leaves him susceptible to other forces even within the scheme of DC itself.
R165
R165 3 mo 19 d
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@AkhilPDX The writer is the strongest DC character, he transcends fiction and must be on par with TOAA and no DC character is above Author.

he must be tier-0
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 19 d
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@Akhilpdx So is the writer. TOAA is a character created by the writers to represent the writers. The writer literally is Grant Morrison himself, who exists in the real world beyond fiction. However, he just chooses to appear as GM. The writer is all of the writers of DC.
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 18 d
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And now you just made that up. TOAA has actual stuff to back that up, with that being the House of Ideas and books where he actually appears as the artist or whatnot. The Writer does not.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 18 d
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You don’t know the character, so please stop changing him. Grant Morrison himself in interviews has stated that the writer is all of the DC writers and editors who wrote the first story on the Overvoid. The writer literally shows animal man how he’s causing what’s happening in the comic because he’s writing it.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 3 mo 18 d
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The One Above All has always existed in Marvel. The House of Ideas itself is the company and the One Above All transcends that. The House literally has a statement of a true Marvel lover being capable of creating their own canons within the House and that everyone is a part of the process. It's not just Ewing's statements lol.

Is your refute simply "you don't know the character" because if anything, I should be the one asking that. You changed your claim from him being just all the writers to all writers, editors, and artists.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 3 mo 18 d
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Right, that’s exactly the same thing as the Writer and the Overvoid.
You being on this website longer doesn’t make you devoid of criticism. I have said more than once in the past that it’s all of the DC staff. Regardless, both TOAA and The Writer are the writers of the comics and transcend all other characters and stories. They should both be the same stat-wise.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 30 d
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There hasn't been a single thing to support that for either, and again, they don't get as high cosmologically which also debunks the entire point.
That's a strawman. Nowhere did I say it makes me immune to criticism. What I said was I could very well say the same thing to you cause I have seen you vote against Marvel characters in fights they very damn well wouldn't lose. There is no implication in terms of the Writer representing everyone at DC. That is something you just made up by changing your original claim.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 30 d
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Your point about the cosmologies doesn’t matter whatsoever in this case. It seems like you’re ignoring the very obvious evidence. ON THIS VERY SITE, the bio for the writer states it is the writers who wrote the first story on the Overvoid. It’s the same on official DC wikis and on vsbw as well. Meanwhile, your only counter point is trying to discredit all of the evidence just because you think I changed my claim, which isn’t even true.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 30 d
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Cosmologies very much do matter and saying they don't is just... wow. Being writers really does not matter if you're shown to be surpassed within verse itself. There is no "official DC wiki"... that's edited by people. VSBW was also talking about a massive downgrade for all of DC, specifically the Writer and downgrading him to 1-A. Not high outerversal... normal outerversal and for essentially some of the same reasons Empty presented. What the bio says on this website is that the Writer is a collective of all of DC's writers. Not everyone else, and even if it did say that, I don't remember the comic presenting it as that meaning you'd be bullshitting by saying that. You went from writers to everyone in DC because I said that's who the One Above All is. If you argue off of this stance, that's not a winnable argument unless there's consistently solid proof that the Writer is truly all of DC manifested into a comic. If you don't, you go off of cosmology which you very clearly don't want to do.
R165
R165 2 mo 30 d
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@AkhilPDX @Mr_Incognito In that case, why do characters like Yog-Sothoth get the Omnipotent? The Writer created Rita Farr and Rita Farr potentially or even Omnipotent because she has evidence beyond DC's totality verse.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 30 d
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“ The Writer, also known as Grant Morrison, among numerous other names, is the representation of all DC Comics writers within the story.

Believed to be the entity which drew DC Comics on the blank page that is the Overmonitor, The Writer is DC's true supreme being. To him or her, reality and it's inhabitants are just stories characters that can be shaped into whatever he desires them to be, and should he or she become unsatisfied with the current state of creation, it can all be easily altered through a retcon.

Being completely beyond all stories and hierarchies within DC, The Writer is all-powerful and completely unknowable from the perspectives.” That is omnipotence. Plus, the character is literally called the writer because he’s the writer of the stories. So stop denying it and change his stats.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 29 d
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@R165 Because Yog-Sothoth is significantly stronger than the Writer? Why are you even comparing someone from the Cthulhu Mythos to a Limbo tier character?
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@AkhilPDX The Writer is no weaker than Limbo, he creates Rita Farr who is above DC totality!
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 29 d
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That says creation which at best could mean literally the Presence's creation.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 29 d
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Empty quite literally debunked all of them being above the Overvoid.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 29 d
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Reply to his post. Not the one here.
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@AkhilPDX Empty never denied that Rita Farr and Oversphere was above Overvoid, instead he said that Rita Farr was the second strongest character in DC when I made "10 strongest DC characters" he only denied about Final Heaven.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 2 mo 29 d
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Then let's see what he has to say about it. I don't think he'll be pleased that you're taking his words out of context.

@EmptyHand
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@AkhilPDX Above he only said Retcon and Ahl as fodder but he didn't say Rita Farr or Eonymous as fodder right?
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 2 mo 29 d
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@R165 shut up, I made those Rita Farr claims so long ago and don't think them anymore she just entered the overvoid and that's it
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@EmptyHand You yourself said that Rita Farr surpassed the Oversphere here:
https://www.superherodb.com/most-powerful-dc-characters-list/100-3527/
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@EmptyHand It hasn't even been a month yet
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@EmptyHand You were the one who told me to add Rita Farr and Eonymous into the 10 strongest DC characters and now you are denying it! It even happened a few weeks ago or almost a month.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 2 mo 29 d
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No I said you can't include MMM or Harley Quinn without including her, not that you SHOULD include her, don't misinterpret my words
R165
R165 2 mo 29 d
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@EmptyHand Rita Farr and Eonymous are one of the strongest characters in DC, even though Rita Farr is still in Oversphere-tier.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 2 mo 29 d
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Yeah no they very much aren't, they're both like 2 tiers below the presence and lucifer even, and only Rita Farr scales above creation while the eonymous don't
Tahsin
Tahsin 2 mo 21 d
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I agree with @AkhilPDX in this. The writer is the fictional representation of grant morrison who got defeated by bestiamorphs , and in animal man comic it was shown writer is within limbo , , , and limbo is the edge of dc universe https://drive.google.com/file/d/15hrUqUPwldU5vbPe1qC5LSjnPUdgSOHw/view?usp=drivesdk , so writer actually does not deserves 255b. He should be far more below
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 19 d
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Actually, for the millionth time, in that first scan he wrote for himself to get attacked. It was part of the story. In the second scan that’s just the avatar. Also VSBW and omniversebattlewiki both list him as boundless.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 4 mo 2 d
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He should be omnipotent and infinite.
Ti
Tigerking2020 4 mo 3 d
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Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent, not nigh-omnipotent?
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MoNsTeR
MoNsTeR 4 mo 3 d
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writer should be omnipotent idk who changed
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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Who is he?
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Pedrof
Pedrof 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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??
Clint_Barton
Clint_Barton 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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The Writer, Grant Morrison. Idk whatever you wanna call him.
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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OK, and what does he do?
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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He's the most powerful character in all of DC. He exists outside of fiction itself and controls the story.
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 y 3 mo 9 d
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Ok.
Thanks bro
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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He is not omnipotent prove me wrong
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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How is he not omnipotent?
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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He can die
LordTracer
LordTracer 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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He's literally the writer of the comics.
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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But he can die
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 1 y 11 mo 4 d
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Or can he?