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The One-Above-All Should be a stalemate, but TOAA is the most op character of all time
John_Doe
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The One-Above-All In a match between omnipotent beings, it's usually a draw, but TOAA is probably the most op character of all time.
ET9
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The Presence Hey, TOAA Do you like to play monopoly?
- The Presence.
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Doctor_Manhattan
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Neutral XD.
Whis
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The Presence Who will you choice? All-Writer or God?
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phamhungbao
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The One-Above-All If you speaking about real life God that created entire universes than real life God would win the writers represent the humans race(mortal being )
Doctor_Manhattan
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Neutral the Presence can raise the dead.
The One-above-all can turn Dreams into Reality.
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_God
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Neutral What?
Mind
Mind 29 d
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Neutral Infinity vs infinity no one can win or lose
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Azzahra
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The Presence It's not even a balanced battle, a lot of characters would clap TOAA, The Writer is part of The Presence.

TOAA is referred to as a creator/editor/reader.

Retcon corp staff views it all as fiction.
Rafeeqknockz
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The Presence The presence will win💥🔥
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Mind
Mind 29 d
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Neutral No one can win or lose
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Poe
Poe 30 d
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Neutral Honestly idk
Chijb
Chijb 1 mo 15 d
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The Presence Marvel fans. 😔
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brucewayne123
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The One-Above-All DC has more fans
Ja
Jacked_Animal 1 mo 16 d
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The One-Above-All This is the Second-Best Marvel VS DC Battle ever!
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Chijb
Chijb 30 d
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The Presence What’s the best?
En
EnDico 1 mo 30 d
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The Presence You realize TOAA is by far the most featless character in Marvel, right? TOAA isn't Jack Kirby since his name was never mentioned ONCE during that scene. The Presence created the Omniverse just by simply breathing in and out in his true form which is one with the Overvoid. I don't think TOAA ever accomplished that, did he?

Chijb
Chijb 2 mo 1 d
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The Presence Presence wrecks TOAA.
Chijb
Chijb 2 mo 3 d
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The Presence 2 reasons TOAA is nigh-omnipotent. His powers were copied by protege and he was absorbed by Thanos with the astral regulator.
Chijb
Chijb 2 mo 3 d
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The Presence Database have got the stats wrong because they are both Nigh-Omnipotent.
SU
The One-Above-All vs The Presence
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Neutral TOAA = omnipotent
The presence = omnipotent
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En
EnDico 2 mo 3 d
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The Presence TOAA's powers were duplicated by Protege so TOAA is not omnipotent. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only part of The Presence, so The Presence is omnipotent and would blinkstomp TOAA.
SU
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Neutral The presence is not omnipotent. He struggels with Lucifer.
Olivia16
Olivia16 2 mo 3 d
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The Presence If you read the comic then you know that it's just an Avatar from The Presence, you can't tell the difference between Avatar and True Form.
En
EnDico 2 mo 3 d
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The Presence What feat has TOAA shown to be honest? TOAA hasn't shown any feats at all. The Presence, on the other hand, created the Omniverse just by simply breathing in and out in the void. This is The Presence's true form and nobody is equal to The Presence's true form. The Presence's true form is completely omnipotent and is far more powerful than TOAA. TOAA doesn't even have a true form like The Presence.



This also proves The Presence is one with the Overvoid so The Presence blink stomps Marvel and TOAA.
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SU
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Neutral Really? That was only the avatar of the presence? I did not know thar
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 10 d
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The Presence this is toaa from now on it is reconned......in future if toaa is getting feats we can update on that
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Chijb
Chijb 1 mo 7 d
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The Presence Exactly people say it’s an avatar but it’s clearly not.
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 14 d
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The Presence @R165, here's your proof,so for those who wanna see true form presence
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R165
R165 2 mo 14 d
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The Presence say that to akhil
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 14 d
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The Presence @R165 u asked me about the proof so that's why i show this...this presence is his non
physical true form...again another proof
evil presence is not the presence himself the writer himself has stated about it...
look at this tweet https://twitter.com/_kingkai_/status/889221216405422082
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MrMemerMan
MrMemerMan 2 mo 14 d
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Neutral In all honesty I think its a draw. I don't think they would fight in the first place. Plus they are the most powerful beings in their universes. If anything I think they would possibly just become allies. But everyone has their own opinion.
vcowles77
vcowles77 2 mo 16 d
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Neutral Always look on the bright side of life. Monty Python >>. btoh Marvel and DC.
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IAMlegend87069
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The Presence by feats presence wins... and toaa cannot even stop the mess what thanos brought
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R165
R165 2 mo 18 d
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The Presence Then what about these basic statements, let's explain how they differ?




IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence nyx also said one above all others...this is the same being that got blasted by thanos...and this nyx (who is seen omnipotent in this site) got destroyed by all marvel heroes...she got laserbeamed by cyclops...i dont think there is true form toaa ...jack kirby version is same like DC version of writer (Grant Morrison)(marvel copied it in a better way)
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R165
R165 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence That's what I want to know! There are so many Marvel Fanboys who say that TOAA is above DC and Multi-Eternity contains DC in it, these claims are very stupid to digest these days.
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence if i can post some pics i can show how bigger DC cosmology is...like there are so many things that i can show how powerful presence is...really this site need to change all stats
R165
R165 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence If you want to use a photo then click the Help icon in the comments column, it will help.
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simeon2021c 2 mo 17 d
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The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence bro if put more old comics to the post canon then i can put a lot of pics of presence powers stat and the writer...in the post canon the writer himself as stated that there are no aspect of toaa ...it is the same toaa that got scared and came from the outside ...and cannot stop him at all...why so much wank over toaa i dont even understand ...al ewing the writer himself stated it was the same toaa that got beat up by thanos...if the writer says so...then it is correct...house of ideas mentions the name the one above all others ...this is the same being got defeated by thanos...so stop wank...and give him 558 b
R165
R165 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence Can you open private chat in settings? I have something to talk about
IAMlegend87069
IAMlegend87069 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence @R165 yes i opened the private chat in settings
R165
R165 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence Can you post the power of The Presence as you promised?
Pkay
Pkay 2 mo 18 d
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Neutral This is marvel vs dc
odinsbeard69
odinsbeard69 2 mo 20 d
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The One-Above-All why tf do y'all think presence will win this, sure toaa got absorbed by thanos, but that's noncanon.
Presence is nigh-omnipotent
TOAA is Omnipotent
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En
EnDico 2 mo 20 d
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The Presence How about the time where Protege duplicated TOAA's powers?
odinsbeard69
odinsbeard69 2 mo 19 d
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The One-Above-All duplication isn't the same as defeated unless he did which I'm not sure about
En
EnDico 2 mo 19 d
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The Presence If TOAA’s powers are able to be duplicated by others, it means TOAA is just nigh-omnipotent. There is no possible way for someone to be that close to power with TOAA if TOAA is considered omnipotent. Omnipotent beings are unbeatable and the thing is if you have an equal then you are not omnipotent.
odinsbeard69
odinsbeard69 2 mo 19 d
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The One-Above-All How does that work though, you said UNBEATABLE when his powers were duplicated, and even if it meant that I'm pretty sure the database would scale him to nigh-omnipotent
En
EnDico 2 mo 18 d
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The Presence You misinterpreted what I had just said. TOAA is nigh-omnipotent because there is absolutely no way of someone being that close to him in power. Protege managed to duplicate his powers so he was equal to TOAA. Here's the thing: if you have an equal, then you are not omnipotent, period. An omnipotent being is infinite with power and no one can come close to them in power. Protege managed to considering he is able to duplicate any type of power in the Marvel multiverse.
ManofPower
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The One-Above-All Do.. Do you two actually believe Omnipotence exists in fiction... 🤦🏾‍♂️
JuggarNot
JuggarNot 2 mo 18 d
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Neutral I think fiction is the only place where omnipotence "exists".
ManofPower
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The One-Above-All Omnipotence in itself cannot exist, it is logically impossible. I am a Christian but also a person of science. I do believe created the Heaven and Earth but through the means of the big bang, anyways, I'm not going to get into my beliefs. Long story short. I don't believe my God is truly Omnipotent. Just almighty and extremely powerful beyond our comprehension. Then again, you can't comprehend Omnipotence so God is probably Omnipotent and I'm going to hell for slandering him. Not good. XD
Mr_Incognito
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The Presence I don’t understand why so many of you say omnipotence can’t exist in fiction when it’s a regular and common theme in fictional universes. Omnipotence simply means being all powerful. It’s not that hard to understand.
ManofPower
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The One-Above-All @Mr_Incognito "Omnipotence" can exist but it isn't true Omnipotence. Nigh-Omnipotence and Omnipotence is vague to be honest. Just like the words "God" and "Demon", nothing but titles thrown around. Sentry, Superman, Galactus, Odin, Darkseid etc have been stated to be Omnipotent.
Jessica_05
Jessica_05 2 mo 25 d
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The Presence WTF? The Presence curbstomp
MaseTheFace
MaseTheFace 2 mo 28 d
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Neutral Draw
R165
R165 2 mo 28 d
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The Presence TOAA is trash, he was defeated by Thanos and Nyx said that TOAA and AAO are the same:


Also Overvoid contains Marvel verse:


And Overvoid is part of The Presence:


So Marvel is just a germ in Overvoid and The Presence will blink all the Marvel verses in existence, and STOP Marvel Wanker here.
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Jessica_05
Jessica_05 2 mo 26 d
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The Presence Good statement, The Presence curbstomp all-verse in fiction.
En
EnDico 2 mo 26 d
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The Presence Overvoid contains everything and that is only part of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps Marvel.
Enternity10
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The One-Above-All That wasnt TOAA, that was the above all other, they are not the same thing. Above all others is way weaker then toaa. TOAA stomps
En
EnDico 2 mo 19 d
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The Presence Nyx admits AAO and TOAA are the same. The Overvoid contains all fiction and that is only an aspect of The Presence. Presence blinkstomps.
R165
R165 2 mo 17 d
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The Presence @Eternity10 Sorry my friend but Al Ewing himself said that TOAA does not have (True Form) or an avatar and Nyx supports this claim by saying The One Above All-Other (TOAA).


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simeon2021c 2 mo 17 d
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The One-Above-All thanos was an aspect of toaa:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e246a315575f5f2f7d51796c00fb761
he was below oblivion/the outside:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9de2f012546324c397e1dcdd6fb7ccb
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9e6ebf22d76113b29debf8064eddba2
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f25e353ec9170ae592326286c63d6b39
jim starlin aka an avatar of toaa view all the infinity ending storyline as mere fiction:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c37742bc5985a00665e1be8f567f2b1e
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d7a8d2298b6cfea716647c0e231fd66
heck toaa is way beyond the outside/oblivion:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-67de87cbc5b8b71079726814245da3e5
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-74ddbb5a44a577c3875458b3e11f1250
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0c88e3d7bb035aa6ab9120ffbf5a1af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-acf3c77a6f5ee66c6c32bc2af38c3605
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0b0a41f5d5ed1128438dfcfc6c7a3660
and in the hoi it was true above all others aka the peak of toaa's avatars,not toaa,heck toaa exist even above the hoi:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-92b381720caf87f9d5791c6b1700b777
the hoi views oblivion as a mere piece of paper so clearily it wasn't toaa
R165
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The Presence @Simeon2021c 1.) Enter your link between [img] [/ img] so I can see your scan.

2.) Al Ewing said that TOAA does not have True Form and Avatar.

3.) Pralaya which is a sea of ​​emptiness outside DC continuity is still an aspect of Overvoid.

4.) House of Ideas is Omniverse itself in the definition of Marvel and Overvoid has the same definition according to Grant Morrison.

5.) Read number 2, the TOAA you worship does not have a True Form.

Good ignorance. Try again you wanker.
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simeon2021c 2 mo 17 d
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The One-Above-All 1)copy and paste it,where's the problem,2)al ewing even said that his statements on twitter are meaningless
3)ok and with this? 4)nope lmao,oblivion is the canvas aka the outside
5)al ewing only said that they haven't true forms but they can have avatars and i debunked ur claim as well
good ignorance,try again dude who don't know the cosmology
R165
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The Presence @Simeon2021c 1.) Just put your link between [img] [/ img], I don't have time to copy the link.
2.) Good ignorance, Pralaya is a void beyond all continuity in Overvoid and she is a sea of ​​infinite nothingness
3.) LMAO, Pralaya is Oblivion itself
4.) Rita Farr when merged with Overvoid saw all the creatures in it as fiction, including Pralaya and The Leviathan of All-Stories
5.) So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 1. He is my friend and he is new. It may take time for him to learn this. So if you can't copy then it's your problem idc.
2. Infinite nothingness does not fulfills the demand for even 1b(Hyperversal).
3. Oblivion is the canvas (the outside) , , oblivion transcends multi eternity in an inaccesible amount. , and multi eternity is the omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains all other fictional verses including dc and real world , by this , oblivion aka the outside>>>multi eternity >>>dc by your overvoid scaling. Also overvoid is defenceless against sos , even sos literally broke overvoid , now don't even dare to say sos >>marvel lmfao. Sos is fodder for god tiers of marvel.
4. Lmfao. She just went beyond creation. Also by this pralaya is bounded by creation and oblivion is thousand times above that.
5. Lmfao. Even comic also says toaa represents all writers ,readers , artists . , , , even his avatars are stated to be author of all things , so since , al ewings statement matches with comics so his only this statement is right. But his statement that toaa has not true form is invalid becoz comics proves that he has true form.
6. I will not continue this debate here. Join the server and debate me over there.
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The One-Above-All 1)i asked u to come on ds,one last time come or idc,2)u don't have time?i've sent the link,if u don't look at the scans it's not a problem of mine,u have time to link ur scans but not to look at mine?how hilarious
3)oblivion is the outside:
[img] https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2eecfa9bf150042a19e8222b05a70123 [/ img]
which was implied several times to be the canvas

4)"So the statement about TOAA is the Author, Editor, and Reader itself is a lie, and the statement that TOAA is the House of Ideas itself is false because it was written on Twitter by the author." it isn't since it has been confirmed in comics as well,the hoi is a facet of toaa,even then confirmed it lmao
R165
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The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, your statement about Multi-Eternity is that Omniverse has been denied by Jessica and Akhil also disagrees and considers that the statement is different from the Marvel handbook.

What's in my scan is the avatar from Perpetua, it's out of continuity which makes it 1-A and that 1-B scaling makes no sense.

Pralaya (True Form) is a canvas beyond the continuity of creation by The Hands race so what makes it different from Oblivion?

The Superman stories is a very Special stories, and you've forgotten that the Hercules stories can rock the House of Ideas and hold it long enough for Vision to get in.

Likewise, Al Ewing's statement was supported by Nyx herself.

I don't care if TOAA is the embodiment of the Company, The Presence is a direct representation of God in the real world, abrahamic religion so he can blink a company easily.

You told your friends to attack me? it is not funny.
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Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 1. Idc about anyone.
2. I am 1000000% sure you don't know anything about dimensional scaling. Do you? 1A is outerversal and requirements of 1A is this "Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other."- and pralaya even in her true form does not fulfills the demand of it. Pralaya at it's true form is at best high 1b.
3. Pralaya is not the canvas lmao. It is fodder for multi eternity. oblivion is above overvoid tiers.
4. I never told him to attack you. He just saw your statements and that's why joined the site. Also what you and your friend lazada attacking me??
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Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @R165 Join the server and debate me over there https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , don't reply here anymore.
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R165
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The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, Avatar Pralaya absorbs millions of creations created by The Hands race and each of these creations is 1-B which is as big as DC of main continuity.




I'm sure you also told @CosmicKingThor and @Simeon2021c to attack me and I'll join in later.
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Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 1. Lmao creation in dc is at best high 1c not 1b lmao. You need to prove how creation on dc is 1b. Btw, even avatar eternity high 1A. So i guess no need of multi eternity. Avatar eternity solos lmao.
2. I never told anyone to attack you. Ask @Simeon2021c
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Jessica_05
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The Presence @Tahsin Eternity is not 1-A you need to prove that
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All I will talk about universal eternity which contains a universe.
1.Cosmic Cubes gave Thanos Godhood (defined as Dominion over all planes of Reality)


Kubik can control all of Reality and Existence (Which itself is Transfinite Number of Layers)
,



There are Infinite number of Transfinite levels of Infinity within a single Eternity.
,

Where Celestials are many Cardinals above Cosmic Cubes.


Kosmos and Kubik think of Celestials as merely parts of a game that Eternity plays


Scan saying that Universal Eternity is Far Transfinite over his M-bodies


Universal Eternities are merely cells compared to True Multi Eternity.
So with this even universal eternity is high outerversal (high 1A) not just 1A.
R165
R165 2 mo 12 d
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The Presence I'm tired of debate with a fool like you, one universe in DC can easily be 1-A because each universe contains 2 Source Walls that can enclose creatures like Perpetua and the Gods (True Form) and Perpetua created DC cosmology 1 -A.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All Yeah coming from a guy who did not proved a single think. Dc only reaches 1A after godsphere. Btw, you still did not joined the discord server lol.
Mr_Incognito
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The Presence You’re one of the most annoying people I’ve ever come across.
R165
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The Presence @Mr_Incognito What is wrong with you? 🧚‍♀
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 9 d
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The Presence I’m talking about Tahsin, not you.
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EnDico 2 mo 9 d
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The Presence @Tahsin Join what? Join your server just to argue? No one is going to join your server because arguing all day is something no one wants to do.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @Mr_Incognito Now this is more than enough. Can you tell exactly what is your problem if i debate or give my opinion here. The debate was mine and r165's. If you really hate me that much then why don't you stop talking with me? Even i left the site for sometime yet it still pisses you off. I can not do anything over that. Even this time i did not sweared anyone. It is your problem.

@EnDico Correction: This is my friend's server. I don't have any server. Btw, i told to join bc i don't remain active that much in the site . Btw, who is talking with you? Why are you interfering??
Mr_Incognito
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The Presence You insult people, call characters fodder, and overall just act really immature. That annoys me.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @Mr_Incognito Ok sorry for that. But when did i told that now? 😑
Mind
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Neutral @R165 how did you create this post with pictures?? Do you copying this from somewhere??
ArdaX000991
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The One-Above-All The Marvel universe is larger than dc. so TOAA
I say wins.
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Lazada
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The Presence according to GM's statement, Overvoid one aspect of The Presence includes Marvel Omniverse so The Presence could easily blink TOAA.
ArdaX000991
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The One-Above-All @Lazada Ok i am convinced immediately
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AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All @ArdaX000991 That's false. Grant Morrison doesn't have authority over Marvel. By those same standards, Marvel has shown characters reading DC comics. That doesn't mean Daredevil of all people views the Presence as fictional.
ArdaX000991
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The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX Ok,
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Thanos absorbed TOAA Avatar not TOAA
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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Lazada
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The Presence external force is the true form of The Presence and what you mean is the avatar, don't equate The Presence with animal feed.
Lazada
Lazada 2 mo 28 d
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The Presence Are you kidding? Thanos absorbs TOAA and Jim never said that his avatar also Nyx has the same statement that TOAA and AAO are the same.
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EnDico 2 mo 30 d
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The Presence You realize that when TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," that means there is a mystery to TOAA and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is only nigh-omniscient. Just an FYI.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Tahsin
Tahsin 2 mo 28 d
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The One-Above-All Yeah good ignorance. Mystery itself is the page where toaa writes stories , it is a place and beyond farshore , also can't you stop talking dumb things. I destroyed you so badly that you did not even replied to my thread. Stop being biased towards presence.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All Also toaa does not said there is a mystery to toaa. Mystery in marvel is actually a place and by above scans proves it . Stop talking about marvel when you don't know a shit about it.
Lazada
Lazada 2 mo 28 d
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The Presence Don't use Scan Jack Kirby, he has his own profile and Jack Kirby is different from that fodder.
Lazada
Lazada 2 mo 28 d
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The Presence @Tahsin That Jack Kirby lol
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EnDico 2 mo 27 d
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The Presence Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA.


Jack Kirby has his own separate profile and has nothing to do with TOAA. TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal.


The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent.

TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel.
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Lazada
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The Presence @Galactus @Ezio sees debate between him and R165 in Akhil comments column, Tahsin always uses Toxic words like Bitch, Fuck, Shit, Stupid, and Idiot. You have to mute him too to be fair!
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EnDico 2 mo 26 d
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The Presence @Lazada I agree with you. @Galactus @Ezio please mute @Tahsin the dude is constantly following me and is always arguing with everything I say on this website. It is beginning to frustrate me so please mute him or something because he is just a toxic user.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @Lazada Sure you should at least read my comment before making fake allegiation on me . I never used b*** or f****. I think you are onto something lol.
@EnDico Follow? I have no reason for following you. I just saw you telling same things again so i just ce to defend toaa here.
1. "Nobody is going to agree with you so knock it off. When TOAA says, "The mystery intrigues me," it means there is a mystery that interests TOAA so he isn't omniscient. You think I worship DC a little to much? Look at yourself for once, you worship and treat TOAA as if he is above omnipotence like he can solo anyone in any comic book but TOAA is the dumbest most pathetic fodder I have ever seen in my life. Regulator Thanos stomped TOAA and Protege stomped TOAA. "- Again is it your hobby to bring up same scans again and again. First, mystery is a place in marvel , it is the next place in marvel beyond the farshore , so your entire point is wrong. Again scathan the approver destroyed protege , and toaa>>>scathan the approver. Again that was an avatar of toaa. True toaa embodies every single real world author , writer , reader( meaning every single writer are his aspects ) , so protege just copied an weakened avatar of toaa. About regulator thanos then the above all others that got defeated was within deep space , and true above all others(one above all others) exists within hoi , so that above all others was basically an m body's m body. True one above all >>>true above all others >>>above all others . Again infinity conflict is non canon , again that jack kirby and toaa are same. Jack kirby said , "the mystery intrigues me" meaning mystery worships him , and mystery worships toaa. Toaa also said the same sentence ,"the mystery intrigues me" , so again that was toaa and you can not ignore that. Also it proves toaa is omniscient.
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Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @EnDico 2. "TOAA is at best equal to The Source in DC. The Source is the source of all existence in DC making The Source the Omniverse itself, which completely matches TOAA except TOAA is only Multiversal. "- ok now we have our source😂😂😂 who is so strong that he got bodied by skyfather's , , also source is featless. I have doubts that is it really above marvel's odin😂😂😂.
3. "The Source and TOAA are both a massive beam of energy so they are equal but TOAA is only Multiversal while The Source is Omniversal. The Source is the Omniverse itself while TOAA is the multiverse itself. Also, TOAA admits it isn't true omnipotent."- This is infinity conflict which is not canon , so toaa is true omnipotent.
4. "TOAA is not the true god of Marvel. In fact, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel as of right now. The only omnipotent being in Marvel is Jack Kirby since he made his own appearance in Marvel. Other than that, there are no omnipotent beings in Marvel."-All of your scans have been debunked. You should stop being ironic here. Toaa is omnipotent. You never proved why he is not omnipotent. So stop voting presence. This is actually fanboyism
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @EnDico Tbh i had no intention on bringing my presence debunks again. But it looks like you left me no choice. So be it.
1. Presence is shaped by some external forces , and those external forces are human's dream confirmed by mike carey and in sandman issue 18. , , , , this is supported when morpheus said all gods begin from his realm https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5877888-sandman%2030%20gods%20are%20born%20and%20die%20in%20his%20realm.jpg , so presemce is atbest collective unconsiousness tier in marvel and that means he is at best equal to gods like thor , odin etc. , , , , again if you bring the scan of presence holding a brush then let me remind you even gwenpool has better feats then this , , , Again sea of brahma is beyond presence where even lucifer can go , and even blight is above presence , even ellaine belloc can hide things from presence , so yeah best of luck proving presence
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EnDico 2 mo 19 d
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The Presence And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape.



And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence.

In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU.



And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI.

And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence.
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EnDico 2 mo 19 d
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The Presence I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along.

And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo.

And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were.

Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not.

And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that.
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EnDico 2 mo 18 d
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The Presence And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics.


The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation.

Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others.

The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand.

The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form.

What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse.
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RajinKabir
RajinKabir 2 mo 18 d
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The One-Above-All @EnDico which issue is this from??
Tahsin
Tahsin 2 mo 18 d
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The One-Above-All @EnDico 1. "And you do realize that all of your claims were all from Sandman comics, right? Vertigo is non-canon to DC so it doesn't apply to the main DCU at all. There are 2 versions of The Presence: Vertigo and the main DCU. In Vertigo, The Presence is treated much differently. The Presence is one with the Overvoid which he admits in the Buddha story. The Buddha (Presence) and Lucifer (Monkey King), here the Monkey King claims he can jump to the Overvoid from Creation in just 1 jump. However, when the Monkey King thinks he beats the Buddha, The Buddha shows his hand and it's the sign that the Monkey King had drawn in the Overvoid so The Presence is one with the Overvoid. So, no matter how many times Lucifer escapes The Prsence's plan, The Presence will always be there and is therefore one with the Overvoid. No escape."- What??? Vertigo is canon to dc https://drive.google.com/file/d/167lyCBhPgfEHRqrazqnJN7f1t8Ydq88B/view?usp=drivesdk , so yeah vertigo is canon and presence has only 1 version. Also do you realize tgat your scans related to buddha is from lucifer 2000 series which is published by vertigo https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Lucifer-2000/Issue-75?id=23753 , so again you said vertigo is non canon. So i guess presence himself is non canon lmfao😂😂😂. You should at least read comics before coming to any debate. Again let's see your scans. You realize that the buddha and monkey king related scans were only a story narrating by presence , btw , how the buddha from the story is presence and monkey king is lucifer ? In the scans no where it says that monkey king is lucifer and buddha is presence. It is your own believe without prove whom idc. For the fact, in the same run , when the story about buddha was over lucifer legit goes putside presence's plan and denyies him , so your scans are invalid. Also where did you find overvoid?? Monkey king only went at the edge of creation not overvoid. Overvoid is where presence is born and presence is bounded by it , so i don't know how you found overvoid here.
2. "And that isn't the only proof The Presence is one with the Overvoid. One of the writers of Vertigo even admits the Overvoid is only a mere aspect of The Presence."- Yeah sure JM de matteis is marvel writer. His 90% comics are of marvel . He don't know anything about dc.
3. "In Vertigo, The Presence admits that it is a product of outside forces, but this is a reference to the writers of Vertigo but also a reference to the minds and imaginations of humanity. Now, let's switch to the main DCU. The Presence is Grant Morrison (DC writer) since The Presence was caught holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series. We all know The Presence is the Abrahamic God in both Vertigo and DCU."-Writer ??? Lmao.The external forces that shaped presence was the collective unconsiousness of humans , and about presence holding a brush then even gwenpool is better than that ,
3. "And when Spectre merges with the void beyond all voids, it admits The Presence surpasses everyone and everything in creation. And this the void beyond all voids, FYI."-This is not even hyperversal lmao.
4. "And by the way, the picture you posted that TOAA admits he sees everything, the mystery intrigues him etc, just realize that claims are NOT facts. TOAA is the most featless character in Marvel so there is absolutely no proof of him being the writer or anything. TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene so he isn't the writer. Jack Kirby has his own separate profile. That's why TOAA is at best equal to The Source since The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and TOAA is the source of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse. Since The Presence is proved to be Grant Morrison, this means one thing: Writer=True Omnipotence."- Lol. Can you stop spamming the same words again. Also my claims are facts. You did not posted a single scan to debunk me. Lmao. Also toaa embodies every writer/reader /creator , also jack kirby was toaa. He legit said ,"the mystery intrigues(worship) me." And the mystery intrigues toaa , , also toaa has many feats. Only you are the man who don't know a single thing about toaa. Lmao. Stop wanking presence. Again what about presence. All of his feats are debunked. Also source got defeated by skyfathers. He is not the omniverse. So lol at your logic.
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Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 5." I'll argue some more if that is what you want. In Vertigo, you know how The Presence was killed by archangel Gabriel? Lucifer admits this was a trick all along."-Lol. I never brought the argument of archangel killing gabriel lol.
6. "And Lucifer himself even admits The Presence is true omnipotent in Vertigo."- Yeah by statements odin is omnipotent . , again lucifer himself debunks that later. ,
7. "And also, The Dark Presence is not one with the true Presence. Lucifer supports this claim as well. Lucifer states that this isn't his father (Presence) and he knows it. Dark Presence and True Presence aren't the same and never were."-I never brought dark presence argument lol.
8. "Now, The Presence and GEB aren't equal in power. It is The Presence who is more powerful. The reason why I say this is because when The Presence and GEB merged, GEB was never seen again and that proves The Presence absorbed it considering The Presence is infinite and eternal while GEB is not." - This is irrelevant and does not debunks any of my presence debunks. I never claimed geb is equal to presence.
9. "And finally, The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figures out that The Presence's creation had actually existed and began studying it. This proves the Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient. The Presence is omniscient because when it admits it is shaped by outside forces, it is aware of the writers of Vertigo and only an omniscient being is aware of that." Presence never shocked overvoid. Infact, presence is born from overvoid. Overvoid existed before creation and my above scans prove that.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 10."And no, The Presence is not equal to the gods of DC. The Presence is THE God of DC who sits above all other gods. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once. Even as the form of a dog, no one could handle the energy of The Presence. This is the main DCU we are talking about, not the Sandman/Vertigo comics" - this is not even hyperversal.
11. "The Presence speaks through every being and everything in creation."- Not impressive.
12. "Spectre even admits The Presence sits above all others"-This is fodder to living tribunal.
13. "The Presence created the DC multiverse just by using it's hand."-This is empty hand not presence .
14. "The Presence became aware of itself even when it was unconscious in it's true form (Divine Presence). The Presence actually created itself in it's true form."- no he was created from overvoid.
15. "What more can I say? The Presence is omnipotent. It is God with a capital G. TOAA hasn't shown ANY of these feats at all while The Presence actually did to prove us that it is God of the entire DC Omniverse."-lmao toaa created marvel omniverse , and marvel omniverse contains every fictional verses including dc , so toaa stomps dc any time lmao. Agsin all the thing you have said about presence are fodder to marvel's superflow tier lmao.
R165
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The Presence @Tahsin It's sad to see your arguments that always compare Gwenpool and Odin, that's why I'm forced to use this statement to stop your Wanker and Bullshit about TOAA.

Those of you who always believe in writers' statements should read this! Al Ewing said that TOAA does not have a True Form, so it is clear that TOAA and OAA are the same and not at all different from what you worship.


And Nyx at the House of Ideas supports that claim.


TOAA (The One Above All-Other) says he is not Omnipotent.




Thanos killed The One Above All-Other with ease, it's a shame how the TOAA you worship was easily defeated by Thanos with Tools.






I don't want to be Toxic but guys like you only make looks bad Marvel fans by making stupid arguments like that.
The Presence >>> Thanos (Astral Regulator) >>> The One Above All-Other (TOAA)
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R165
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The Presence @Tahsin Obviously you have no knowledge of DC, How the heck The Presence was born in DC continuity but according to the author's statement, Overvoid is part of The Presence ... This explains that The Presence which always appears in Vertigo and DC is just an avatar of Divine Presence.


And here's the statement from the panel that The Presence has Overvoid in it, so stop looking stupid like that!




Also let me show Morrison's claim that The Source and Overvoid are the same.




And this is what is on the panel.


And Dream's statement in the Death Metal event only talks about the gods! Not The Presence, look at this scan! Dream says that The Presence is God who created DC


Overvoid contains the Marvel Multiverse and not the Omniverse! Because according to the definition Marvel Omniverse and Overvoid are the same and the Marvel Omniverse I mean is the House of Ideas.






The Presence didn't create DC? This is the reason that you don't know anything about DC! Perpetua with a bit of power from The Source was able to create DC continuity that shocked Overvoid.








And let me show you that The Source is only the power of The Presence.


So the conclusion is Divine Presence is above The Source and Overvoid which is the same as the House of Ideas and TOAA is just the embodiment of the House of Ideas itself and The Presence will blinks all the verses in fiction easily.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All @R165 You know this is not a debate between me and you. https://discord.gg/MFa7jEjW , join the server and debate me over there. My name is "Eos Aizen". I will not debate in this site because i am already involved in many debates here. So either join the server or shut up.
R165
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The Presence @Tahsin LMAO, I have deleted Discord since 2 months ago, I will download again just for you.
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EnDico 2 mo 16 d
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The Presence I can already imagine what @Tahsin would sound like on discord, lmao.
En
EnDico 2 mo 16 d
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The Presence Looking at @Tahsin's grammar, punctuation, sentences, and the words chosen, it reminds me of a toddler.
Lazada
Lazada 2 mo 30 d
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The Presence Please don't tell me TOAA is Omnipotent!
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Lazada
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The Presence @SuperSomebody external force is the true form of The Presence and what you mean is the avatar, don't equate The Presence with animal feed.
Jack_Kirby
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The One-Above-All It looks real
TOAA> Marvel Universe
The Presence> DC Universe
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Doctor_Manhattan
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Neutral True.
ET9
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The Presence One-above-all it was absorbed by the thanos regulator Presence won 10/10
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Lom
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The One-Above-All I have to disagree with you
Because thanos absorb the power of the one-above-all avatar
This is the avatar of One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/fc/Above_All_Others.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/450?cb=20181217054345
and this is the real One-Above-All
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omniversal-battlefield/images/d/d8/The_One_Above_All.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190723213227


The-One-Above-All >>>The presence >>>Thanos Regulator >>> Above ALL Others
>>>Living Tribunal
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EnDico 2 mo 30 d
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The Presence It still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was STILL defeated. TOAA admits it is not true omnipotent.

Also, when TOAA said, "The mystery intrigues me," that means TOAA has a mystery to it and omniscient beings just don't have any mysteries to them so TOAA is nigh-omniscient. So, it should be more like:
The Presence>>>Thanos Regulator>>>TOAA>>>Living Tribunal.
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Neutral @ET9 You think that Thanos (astral regulator) has defeated the One-above- all, this does not mean that he will lose 100% against the presence.
_God
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Neutral I just don't know which god is higher
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vcowles77
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Neutral God himself
Chijb
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The Presence The Presence is not the god of dc so TOAA wins but overvoid flicks TOAA.
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The Presence

The Presence shocked the Overvoid when the Overvoid figured out The Presence's creation actually existed even though it actually has for as long as 20 billion years. The Overvoid is only nigh-omniscient/nigh-omnipotent but even then it still flicks TOAA because TOAA was absorbed by Thanos along with a regulator. Presence blinkstomps TOAA.
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Jakcj
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Neutral Everyone vote Neutral
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Mind
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Neutral Agreed
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All Toaa stomps in 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds
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Chijb
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The Presence Wrong it will be a close battle.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All No toaa slaps in 0.0000000000000001 seconds.
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Chijb
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The Presence @Tahsin just stop.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral Proof?
The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
zo
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not voted its a draw
R165
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The Presence Underrated Character
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Chijb
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The Presence None of them are omnipotent but they are both the writers of there universe. But TOAA wins for me because The presence was shaped bye external forces and TOAA wasn’t.
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EnDico 4 mo 25 d
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The Presence That was in Vertigo which is non-cannon to DC. Much like infinity conflict in Marvel, it doesn’t apply to DC at all.
AlphaaWilly__
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Neutral Reason its a draw
-Both Nigh Omnipotent
-Both can't be killed as they both have unlimited power and both immortal
-TOAA is "One above all" but only in the Marvel universe
-The Presence was holding a paint brush meaning he was the writer for DCU.
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Trillxgy
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The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent so he wins
En
EnDico 4 mo 28 d
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The Presence



The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer so The Presence is omnipotent.
Trillxgy
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The One-Above-All TOAA take this one by a lot, he literally has unlimited power. Also he didn’t get beat by AR thanos, he absorbed above all others not TOAA .
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AlphaaWilly__
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Neutral So does The Presence...
hb
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The Presence then why did AR thanos beat him?
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @hbn That was The Above-All-Others.
Pedrof
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The Presence What's the difference?
hb
hbn 5 mo 4 m
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The Presence @HolyJoe they are the same thing
Savage
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The One-Above-All They are not.
Chijb
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The Presence The presence is not omnipotent so TOAA wins
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The Presence Actually he is. I get that people must think he isn't omnipotent since in Vertigo he stalemated the GEB, he admitted he was shaped by external forces, he was once killed by the archangel Gabriel, and that Lucifer managed to evade his plans, but here's the thing: Vertigo is non-cannon to DC. All of that happened in Vertigo and know the fact that Vertigo is discontinued. In the main DC Omniverse, The Presence is portrayed as the writer by Grant Morrison in one of the Animal Man series and is completely omnipotent. Now, TOAA isn't the writer and I know this for a fact. Remember when you see Jack Kirby? That wasn't TOAA because his name was never mentioned ONCE during that scene or comic, ever. Much like Animal Man ran into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby and he has absolutely nothing to do with TOAA. It is suggested that is TOAA, but his name was never mentioned which means TOAA isn't the writer. Protege managed to duplicate TOAA's powers and Eternity states that Protege has the ability to become omnipotent and that actually happened once just like he duplicated TOAA's powers. In DC, The Presence was holding a paint brush in Heaven which means he is the writer. So Presence>TOAA
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The Presence TOAA isn't omnipotent either
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The One-Above-All the one above all is above all
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AlphaaWilly__
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Neutral in marvel
hb
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The Presence only in the marvel multiverse
En
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The Presence In Marvel? Yes. In DC? No.
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Savage
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The One-Above-All I like how even though the votes are close all the good debaters voted TOAA
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The Presence really? most people are picking TOAA just because of his name.
En
EnDico 5 mo 17 d
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The Presence Are you surprised? Marvel is overrated by the word itself. Maybe that explains why people are picking TOAA.
hb
hbn 5 mo 20 m
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The Presence There is no solid argument for either
Savage
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The One-Above-All If you think that vote neutral
R165
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The Presence LMAO
shaneherald
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The Presence they are both nigh omni-potent
Uzumaki_Naruto
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The One-Above-All Toaa lolstomps this fodder 😂
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shaneherald
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The Presence writers of vertigo said that Lucifer is above the writers them selves and the presence is much much more than Lucifer , one-above-all=writers
Gogeta2
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The One-Above-All One Above All = Stan Lee Stan Lee >>>than any writer
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The Presence @Gogeta2 Your only saying that TOAA would win just because of his name. TOAA isn't the writer either because his name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Michealdem17
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The Presence Changed my mind both are so unimpressive
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral how are they unimpressive?
pRImeLiFe15
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The Presence Stalemate
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Uzumaki_Naruto
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The One-Above-All Yeah Tori-bot isn’t even omnipotent he’s more like a gag character
phamhungbao
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The One-Above-All But I heard ToriBot is the representation of Akira Toriyama(creator and the Mangaka of Dragon Ball franchises)
The Presence is the representation of Grant Morrison(DC writers,...)
The One Above All is the representation of Stan Lee,Jack Kirby,Steve Dikto(Marvel writers and creator,...)
En
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The Presence Here’s the thing about The One Above All. We really don’t know anything about him. He’s had a few mentions where the Living Tribunal has said he’s the only person he answers to. And we’ve had a couple of appearances where it’s been attributed to him.

For example, the Fantastic Four once visited “Heaven” and saw someone there that looked like Jack Kirby. This person demonstrated a control over reality by using an eraser to start erasing Reed’s face. No where is “The One Above All” mentioned. Nor does it explicitly state that he is “God”. It’s very highly suggested that he is God, but not necessarily the One Above All.

The next biggest appearance we have is what you have pictured. That was in a Spider-Man comic. Spider-Man was doubting his worth and whether everything he did was worth it. So this homeless guy who seemed to know everything takes a walk with Peter. Again, The One Above All isn’t mentioned. Nor is “God”. Just, again, highly suggested that it’s “God”.

Now, since we know that there is a “One Above All” and we know that he is the singular most powerful entity in Marvel. It is easy to make the leap that any reference to “God” is a reference to the One Above All. This may or may not be the case. Both of those appearances are solo. They exist in and of themselves without really being connected to anything else. No references or connections at all.

So no, he’s not Stan Lee or even Jack Kirby. He just isn’t.
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The Presence what an omniponent charecter toaa is
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The Presence TOAA, "I am the one above all others as I am above omnipotence."

Presence holds up a regulator at TOAA and states, "You can say that again. Resistance is futile."

TOAA, "NO!!!."

Marvel fans still believe TOAA wins even after defeat only because Marvel is overrated. Marvel children in a nutshell.

Just like Ron White said, “You can’t fix stupid.”
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The Presence Agreed..but why does the presence show nigh-ominpotent??he should have omnipotent powers,that's his powers
En
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The Presence Vertigo isn't cannon to the main DCU. Even Wikipedia states it. So basically how everyone thought The Presence was killed by Gabriel, and how he stalemated GEB, and how he passed his powers down to Elaine, all of that isn't cannon to the main DCU. It doesn't even affect the main DCU at all just like it stated in Wikipedia. Vertigo is discontinued as well. Much like the Infinity Conflict that showed TOAA isn't omnipotent, that wasn't cannon either. If we compare both Vertigo and Infinity Conflict, still The Presence > TOAA because if you were listening to The Presence talking to Lucifer about the Buddha story, it proves he is one with the Overvoid and you just can't top someone or something that is one with a place or area that is unable to exist. What I'm saying is The Presence's tier is greater than TOAA. Now if we both include the cannon stories DC and Marvel, The Presence is still greater by just one reason: Protege duplicated TOAA's powers proving to us TOAA just isn't omnipotent. Second of all, when you see Jack Kirby, never was TOAA's name mentioned, ever. So, no TOAA isn't the writer. Now in DC, you see The Presence in Heaven holding a paint brush in one of the Animal Man series, so The Presence is Grant Morrison who is a DC writer. Therefore, I think that is what says it all right there that The Presence's tier is by far greater than TOAA.
UNKNOWN_
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The Presence If the one is omnipotent then other also omnipotent if one of them is not omnipotent then other can't be omnipotent.
Because
Both are equal.

I'm voting Presence just because they should be equal.
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MoNsTeR
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The One-Above-All Presence is not omnipotent
En
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The Presence Nor is TOAA, so...
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MoNsTeR
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The One-Above-All Still Toaa > Presence
En
EnDico 8 mo 6 d
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The Presence Hmmm...
I think it should be more like: Presence>GEB>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>TOAA
UNKNOWN_
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The Presence @Monster neither TOAA is.





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Pedrof
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The Presence ^^
En
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The Presence @MoNsTeR TOAA even admitted he isn’t omnipotent, so...
Pedrof
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The Presence The Presence too.
En
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The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that was a reference to the writers so really it doesn’t count. The Presence is more omnipotent than TOAA.
UNKNOWN_
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The Presence @EnDico Presence also.
Pedrof
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The Presence Neyther one nor other are omnipotent.
UNKNOWN_
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The Presence @pedrofOMAIOR that's what I said.
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All Nice joke
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The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite power level you can see here but the presence has a limit.
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The Presence ok downplayer
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The Presence The One Above All sure does have infinite power...In a stable multiverse.

The One Above All, however, loses his powers when a regulator is out of place. Sorry, but regulators are what grant him his omnipotence or should I say, "Nigh-Omnipotence".

Regulator>TOAA

However, The Presence literally held everything in his hand. Everything. The whole Omniverse and all of infinite realities. The Presence is high outerversal and created the Omniverse, and TOAA is the multiverse itself when regulators are on a higher scale proven.



Presence>>>Regulator>>>TOAA

Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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hb
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The Presence tell that to AR thanos
Yatharth
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The One-Above-All I think this should speak for itself cause presence admits himself that he was created by forces external which means he’s not omnipotent
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The Presence Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall which is a reference to the writers. Plus, that makes The Presence even more omnipotent since The Presence is aware of who is writing him even as the supreme creator of the DC Omniverse and beyond. Grant Morrison, however, claimed that The Overvoid and God are the same so you may consider The Presence as the writer. But either way, he/she is way more omnipotent than TOAA.

FYI, if you really want some proof that TOAA is only nigh-omnipotent, read the infinity conflict.
Uzumaki_Naruto
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The One-Above-All @endico dude you haven’t kept up with marvel. Have you? Starlin was fired and infinity conflict has been made non-cannon

And not to mention that Presence got killed by rox ogama
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The Presence You may want to think twice on what you just said. Lucifer already made it clear that it was only another setup by The Presence and his plan.



Referring to the Infinity Conflict, it still doesn't change the fact that TOAA was defeated. Did TOAA show any impressive feats? No, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. Did The Presence show any impressive feats? The Presence held the entirety of creation (AKA Omniverse) in just one hand. So, your the one who is missing out right now on DC, not me. Did I not mention Protege also took TOAA's position at one point?



The Presence>>>Michael=Lucifer=Gabriel=Elaine>>>TOAA

TOAA should be renamed to TOAM (AKA, The One Above Most).
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MoNsTeR
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The One-Above-All Lmfao presence > michael = lucifer =gabriel=elaine>>> Toaa :D
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The Presence If Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Elaine all merged their powers, they would squash TOAA. But even then, they would still mean nothing to The Presence since he/she is their creator and granted them their powers so The Presence is far greater than TOAA just by default. So, The Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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The One-Above-All @endico dude the presence was also killed by Rox Ogama



The dying god left your universe defenceless wounded.

And no Rox ogama isn’t referring to Darkseid as the radiant and spectre vanished it was stated that Radiant and Spectre won’t vanish until Yahweh perishes first



And the same rox ogama died to a few lanterns and supermen



Which makes presence even more fodder.

Toaa one-shots Miachel lucifer presence and elaine at the same time
Yatharth
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The One-Above-All @endico and Protege claiming to be TOAA was just boasting as we see right next that Scathan disapproves of him and whoops him



And scathan is below TOAA
Yatharth
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The One-Above-All @endico lucifer was also able to escape presence plan and Lucifer himself isn’t omnipotent which proves Presence isn’t all that powerful
Yatharth
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The One-Above-All Lucifer also killed a corrupt presence which is supposedly as strong as him
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The Presence Did Rox Ogama really kill The Presence? Of course he didn't. Rox Ogama was only setting the moment just to sound all tough and scary. There wasn't even a scene to prove that he wounded The Presence. It's impossible for Rox Ogama to accomplish this considering The Presence is an omnipotent being and is the only omnipotent being. Now, the corrupt Presence wasn't actually The Presence him/herself. That was GEB and The Presence already absorbed it by shaking it's hand. So, I do give you credit on this part. Lucifer does slap GEB, however, GEB still isn't supreme and was defeated already by The Presence. The Great Evil Beast was formed when God uttered the words "Let There Be Light" and came to embody all the darkness in creation as well as everything that opposed the light of the Presence. However, despite its immense power the Great Evil Beast was still a newborn entity and thus was easily defeated by the Presence and contained within its own realm.



When The Presence talked with Lucifer, "The Plan" that the presence is referring to is The Story and Events that would happen in the DC Universe. Predestination (A.K.A The Story) which what Lucifer was trying to escape since he rebelled. He tried to escape the already untouchable story and fate of the DC Universe. which the presence had already planned from the beginning. From The Crisis on infinite earths, and all events that ever happened had already been planned out by the presence. and the monitors are the ones who recorded it.



What The Presence is holding appears to be creation (AKA, DC Omniverse) The Presence held all creation in his hand, proving his superiority towards everything else in the DC Universe including the monitors "Diary Writing", and Lucifer who finally escaped The Presence's Plan (The Story) and now sitting with him "Outside of the DC Universe". Lucifer may have escaped creation itself and gone somewhere in the Overvoid, but note that The Overvoid and The Presence are actually related and are the same. The Presence is everywhere but also nowhere at once so no matter how many times Lucifer tries to escape The Presence, just realize The Presence is God and is omnipresent which means he is everywhere, everything, and nowhere at once.

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The Presence Actually, there is 1 thing I forgot to mention. You know how you mentioned Lucifer thought he escaped The Presence's plan? Well, I have a way better explanation to that now. Mike Carey implied that the Presence is one with the Void through analogy of the Monkey King (Lucifer) and Buddha (the Presence), which Lucifer found in context "pretty offensive", as he stated, since the Monkey King challenged Buddha to jump in one leap from Creation to the outside (the Void). But once Buddha showed his hand, the Monkey King understood he lost as he saw his mark on Buddha hand that he left in the Void to prove he jumped to the Void in one leap. So understanding this in Lucifer context, it means that even though Lucifer believed that he could escaped his Father plan by creating his own Creation outside, in the Void, the Presence is there, one with the Void.





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hb
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The Presence TOAA lost to AR thanos
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
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The One-Above-All The one above all has infinite powers and the presence has limited and the one above all is omnipotent but the presence is nigh omnipotent.
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The Presence TOAA does have infinite power in a Multiverse. The Presence has infinite power in an Omniverse. And also speaking that The Presence held everything in his hand (creation) and even that wasn't his most impressive feat. What has TOAA showed? Seriously, what feats has TOAA proved to us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only feat he proved to us was eating a burger with Peter Parker but other than that, he doesn't not have infinite power nor is he an impressive God like The Presence. Did I mentioned that Protege took TOAA's position at one point? So, I know exactly why everyone is saying TOAA would win is because Marvel is just overrated. The reality of it is that The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot. It should be like this:

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA
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Mind
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Neutral Bruh
Savage
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The One-Above-All TOAA is the creator of everything Marvel. The Presence IS everything DC. Overall, I would have to say this goes to TOAA, since theoretically he could make another multiverse, were as I don't think The Presence could. I can be convinced otherwise though!
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Savage
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The One-Above-All TOAA represents all marvel creators
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The Presence That's the exact same with The Presence. They are both Gods, but only one of them is stronger which of course is The Presence. What feats has TOAA accomplish? Nothing, other than eating a burger with Peter Parker. What feats has The Presence accomplish? The Presence held the whole omniverse (AKA creation) in just one hand so The Presence would defeat TOAA by a long shot.
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The Presence TOAA is equal to The Source at best. Although, The Presence created The Source at the dawn of the DC Omniverse. Here's the thing: TOAA is not the writer. During the Jack Kirby scene the Fantastic Four ran into, TOAA's name was never mentioned once during that scene so TOAA is not the writer. TOAA and The Source are equal in power, one and the same.


It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that is believed to have been responsible for creating and empowering the "Gods" of the DC Omniverse with their divine abilities. It also seems to be partially responsible for the ability of DC residents to develop super-powers, especially those which defy physics. Lying at the edge of the known universe in the Promethean Galaxy is the Source Wall, which protects the Source, and traps all those who attempt to pass beyond it. The Source specifically tasks Perpetua to create the multiverse that is contained in the DC Omniverse. The Source is the source of all existence in the DC Omniverse and that is essentially what TOAA is as well. The Source is the Omniverse itself, and TOAA is the Omniverse itself as well. They are equal in power, both one and the same. However, The Presence is far greater than The Source and there is a proof.

The Presence held the whole Omniverse within the palm of his hand which contains everyone and everything including The Source. Not only that, but when The Presence was the void itself, it became aware of itself and that is how it formed it's avatar. So, how did The Presence become aware of itself if it is the void? Because it is omnipotent.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Breaker
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The One-Above-All flawless
Oblivion
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The Presence Lmao i just saw nyx calling toaa the one "above all others"
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The One-Above-All it was the true above all others lmao
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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All ironic coming from the person who deleted both his comments being one of the most toxic people I've ever met lmfao 😂😂
Oblivion
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The Presence People who thinks TOAA can touch Presence or any archangel in a nutshell
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Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All Why do you always have to be a sore loser?
Oblivion
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The Presence Lmao look at the mirror if you are searching for a loser.
Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All You just proved my point mate. You get all salty whenever you lose like you are now.
Oblivion
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The Presence Im saying absolutely nothing,you are trying to provoke me as always,perhaps because there is no way you can win anything against me,just trying to trigger someone is easier,a.k.a the only thing you can do against me lmao.
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The One-Above-All You start it. If you don't like being insulted don't do it yourself. SHDB is about respectful debates not whining and attacking those with different opinions.
You lose a debate when you have to resort to insults instead of actual arguments. That's why you always lose.
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EnDico 9 mo 2 h 13 m
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The Presence Look in the mirror, you'll find Tyrannus and EmptyHand sitting there except in the mirror it reads, "viewer discretion is advised."
Savage
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The One-Above-All Goddamn you guys are harsh. Chill out
Savage
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The One-Above-All @EnDico Bro, chill tf out
Enternity10
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The One-Above-All Chill out guys. Be a little nicer
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All People who think toaa can be defeated are dumb
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DevilgGod9 8 mo 27 d
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The Presence Not think... It's the truth TOAA is a looser.
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EnDico 8 mo 5 d
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The Presence @EmptyHand It's actually the opposite of what you said. Except whoever thinks TOAA is stronger than The Presence have no IQ.
SuperSomebody
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Neutral Stan Lee can
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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Lmfao that isn't TOAA, tell me how Jim starlin, an aspect of TOAA (since toaa embodies every single writer, meaning that individual writers would be aspects) literally sees the entire story of infinity conflict as an IDEA

So yeah good one thinking that's the one above all
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En
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The Presence Claims are NOT facts pal. Your links don't prove anything or have no purpose in proving anything.



Everyone in Marvel calls him Above-All-Others while he/she calls himself The One Above All. Now let's be honest, how mentally retarded are you? Even Thanos calls him Above-All-Others. You realize Mike Carey also explained that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers, right? No fictional character is the writer. No fictional character will ever be the writer and it's impossible to accomplish.
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The Presence Protege managed to take The One Above All's position as well, did I not mention?



So, TOAA lost twice. Not just Thanos, but even Protege took TOAA's position. I've already proved my point. TOAA isn't omnipotent. His name should be renamed to The One Above Most. Maybe this video will change your perspective with TOAA. Here's a recap with TOAA's nigh omnipotence.

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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Did you read the scans or are you just that blind? The first scan shows that the writers are embodied by the one above all, literally Jack Kirby and other writers are just manifestations of the one above all

So stop making yourself look like a dumbass, and If you could prove yourself not blind that would be hella good, since considering you don't realize that the scan literally shows Jim starlin coming up with the entire story in his head and he's just a manifestation of the one above all, use your eyes for once you fucking moron

No only people in jim starlin his separate marvel canon calls him above all others, in every other comic people call him the one above all you're so fucking stupid its unbelievable, jim starlin almost got fired for his work because he published a story where that happened, yet he never showed anything like the superflow, outside, etc he only used 5D cosmological structures and that's it, you're so fucking moronic, you don't read any comics do you, since I saw your comment down there saying you use Wikipedia like a retard, now think again, if jim starlin isn't canon to main marvel cosmology, if nothing the above all others did relates to the one above all at all, if everything in the story contradicts everything else in marvel, does that mean that it's the true oaa? No exactly, now quit your brain dead ass and be smart for once

Also protégé legit only made a self statement and that was after absorbing the living tribunals powers only you dumbass, then he lost to a celestial right after that, not even the strongest celestial either, read. The. Story. Legit does getting defeated by a celestial and getting the power of the living tribunal make you the one above all? No exactly, I just clapped you on that point as well

Lmao imagine using videos as unironic evidence
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The Presence Buddy...Calm down. This isn't a right or wrong answer. Battles are not about swearing at each other unless that's what your looking for, but no need to use the swear words, pal. I'm only sharing you my opinion with how I think about TOAA and you are just going all over the place. Seriously, just calm down.
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The One-Above-All Thanos with astral regulator has not defeated but absorbed the one above all and the one above all knows that everything would be right after sometime .And the one above all can break the astral regulator but he don't want to break the rules of multiverse.
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EnDico 8 mo 7 d
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The Presence Ok, then prove it. Give me an image that actually proves TOAA doesn't want to break the rules. Because there isn't a way to prove it. TOAA is the multiverse itself, and The Presence is the creator of an Omniverse.

Presence>GEB>Elaine=Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>Regulator>TOAA

The Presence murderstomps TOAA.
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Enternity10
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The One-Above-All Actually, that isint TOAA, that is the one above all others.
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EnDico 8 mo 5 d
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The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Even Thanos calls him Above All Others or Master Of All. The One Above All calls himself The One Above All. So, you have it wrong.
Enternity10
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The One-Above-All That was the above all others, NOT THE ONE ABOVE ALL
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The Presence @Enternity10 Yes, it was though. However, I have discovered that the Infinity Conflict is noncannon. Though, TOAA maybe the God of marvel, he isn't the writer. You see, TOAA's name was never mentioned during the Jack Kirby scene. Second of all, never once was TOAA called, "God" in Marvel but when they meet Jack Kirby, they called him God. Yes, Jack Kirby is God since he is the writer. TOAA wasn't called God and his name was never mentioned so no he is not the writer. Now, let's talk about t he cannon part of Marvel. TOAA's powers have been duplicated by Protege who has the ability to become infinitely omnipotent.



This took a combination of the Living Tribunal and Scathan the Approver to only absorb the new TOAA. The Living Tribunal himself could not defeat the new TOAA so it took some assistance. That was completely cannon to the story and I know a lot of Marvel fans don't want to believe that part but it was cannon and that is reality right there. The Presence, however, was caught holding a paint brush in Heaven in one of the Animal Man series and what do you do with a paint brush? You create pictures and art. That right there proves The Presence in Grant Morrison. Presence>TOAA



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Ko
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not voted There isn’t a winner. They both just keep fighting for an infinite amount of time. They are both omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
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Savage
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The One-Above-All True, but TOAA is a creator of an Omniverse, and The Presence is the omniverse itself. I would give the advantage to TOAA.
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EnDico 8 mo 17 d
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The Presence They both created an Omniverse. The Presence already held everything in his hand (creation) so The Presence is definitely Omnilock as well. So, you have it all wrong.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All Buddy you are acting dumb. AAO and TOAA are very different
RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All @Emptyhand can you talk some sense into him.
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EnDico 9 mo 11 d
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The Presence Actually, your the dumb one because your a Marvel Lover. And what I mean by that is all you do is you read Marvel Comics because that's the only thing you do in your lifetime is talk about Marvel. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. How about you look up The Presence on Google for once. There will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal and is unchanged in the main DCU in it's own words. Now, how about we look up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation? That's not a claim either, that's a valid statement. So know the facts. And I don't mean to be rude, but everyone votes for The One Above All not because of the character itself, but due to how overrated Marvel is. You treat The One Above All like he is above every comic book character you can put thought into. That's not the case though. That's the best part about DC though is that it isn't overrated like Marvel is. So your the dumb one kiddo just because your a Marvel Lover.
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RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All
See the regulator universal. Every reality/dimension has a regulator.
RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All @EnDico look even after thanos absorbed the AAO from his dimension another AAO froma different dimension was still alive and ok.
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RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All And don't call me a marvel lover. When I first voted this battler I voted The Presence. But after learning the cosmology of marvel and the power of TOAA I voted TOAA. TOAA and AAO aren't the same
Dhruv
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The One-Above-All Its very brave of you to assume whosoever votes for TOAA is a marvel lover. Wikipedia??? Seriously. Trust me, there are 100's of characters who are immortal, being immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed, even LT was said to omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient.

That doesn't make you the most powerful ever, and see @RajinKabir also says AAO and TOAA aren't the same, only you don't want to accept the fact that how can a character written by a writer can defeat the writer himself, even pre-retcon beyonder defeats AAO, he isn't TOAA.
RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All What happend @EnDico ?? Did we convince you that TOAA is not AAO or do you need more proof??
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All And Jim Stalin made some mistakes in the comic
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All And @EnDico where did anyone including AAO called AAO , TOAA??
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All He would not accept the fact @RajinKabir .
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All I figured from his aggressive writing. I mean he wrote so much in so less time on this battle
Oblivion
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The Presence One above all isn't his name,he was called multiple names.They are the same,Starlin retconned toaa
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EnDico 9 mo 10 d
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The Presence So, you think The Living Tribunal is omnipotent, huh? Tell that to The Beyonders then speaking that The Beyonders killed The Living Tribunal so I think the word your looking for is nigh-omnipotence. Second of all, I don’t think you even hear yourself talk but let me say this: everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. By the way, if you think that really was a different cosmic entity, then why does the comic still portray Above All Others as the master of The Living Tribunal? The only master The Living Tribunal has is The One Above All. If that wasn’t TOAA then who was it? Clearly, AAO was supervising The Living Tribunal so the only explanation is that he is TOAA. You already know The One Above All was absorbed by Thanos. You know he was defeated, you just don’t want to believe it.
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EnDico 9 mo 10 d
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The Presence Oh, and did I mention that Marvel (AKA, TOAA) is only a 16th dimensional being while The Presence is a 4th dimensional being?
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Are you freaking stupid, the one above all 16th dimensional lmfao, yet a single universe in marvel transcends the concept of numbers in terms of how many spatial dimensions it has, also if you're a higher dimensional existence thus you're bigger you walking contradiction, the one above all himself platonically transcends beings who would slap the presence left and right, if you think thanos killed the true oaa you're inept, honestly you don't at all read marvel if you're saying "look it up" learn how many contradictions the story has and how in no way is it canon nor can it even possibly be the one above all since it has nothing in common with it
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EnDico 9 mo 9 d
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The Presence Well that’s because your a Marvel lover which I’m not surprised because all you do I bet spend 24/7 a week reading Marvel comic books. You don’t even read DC is what it sounds like. The Fourth Wall exists as the invisible barrier separating reality from imagination. In the comic book medium, such characters are cognizant of the fact that they are characters in a comic book, and often speak directly to the reader. In the Golden and Silver Age era of DC comics, such characters routinely broke the Fourth Wall, usually as a convenience for introducing a story. After the Crisis on Infinite Earths, comic storytelling took a more mature turn, and few characters demonstrated this ability. So, it’s far beyond TOAA’s reach. The Presence already has fourth wall awareness. The infinity conflict was a real series in Marvel, it was written, and it was published. It will always have an effect in the plot of Marvel. And I’m not afraid of you either because I can argue all day and night. You are a pure Marvel lover and really have nothing better to do with your life other than to obsess about Marvel comics.
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EnDico 9 mo 9 d
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The Presence Let me give you a great example as to how retarded you sound. The Presence comes in many names known as The Hand, The Source, The Overvoid, The Voice, and oddly enough, Wally the God boy. Just as the TOAA has different names known as Jack Kirby, and AAO. They are the same beings, it’s just that he can be called different names too like The Presence. Your saying AAO is a mere extension of TOAA. You sound so retarded to the highest level when you say AAO and TOAA are different. You are not comic book scientist, dude. If you think you really are all that or imagine like your omniscient in all comic books, you wouldn’t even be hired as a comic book writer due to how much of a dumbass you sound.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Lmao i read and scale both marvel and DC unlike you inept child who only reads DC it seems, what does the fourth wall's existence mean at all exactly? any character can break the fourth wall, superboy prime has done it, deadpool has done it, gwenpool has done it, none of those are rebirth superman tier, let alone even base eternity tierand TOAA is the f*cking writer, he scales above the fourth wall as a whole and there wouldn't even exist a fourth wall for him since he's every single marvel writer/reader/editor in 1, you need to rethink your stupid scaling, since you're implying characters like superboy prime can defeat the one above all, The infinity conflict was a story only Jim starlin wrote and every other marvel writer almost fired him from the company and declared it non canon because his work was that bad, Jim starlin doesn't have any knowledge on cosmological structures in marvel such as the superflow, neutral zone or other's which he has never shown, he's only shown the universe, multiverse and given them finite dimensions, whereas in consistent marvel scaling its been shown there are infinite spatial dimensions per universe but the AAO his realm was literally affected by a 3-Dimensional crisis, also are you f*cking stupid? that's your proof as to why you're making yourself look like an idiot? you understand that the AAO was shown bound to a timeline and affected by 3-Dimensional crisis', you gotta rethink your marvel and DC scaling because you just got clapped, now listen to your inept brain and think again, since TOAA was shown way beyond what the AAO was shown below, because the writer almost got fired for making the most non canon marvel work, because the writer didn't know sh*t about actual marvel cosmology AND the fact that you have no evidence besides a few aliases the presence has, you should give up, this is embarrassing you
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Dhruv
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The One-Above-All Yup living tribunal is nigh omnipotent, but many writers claim beings are omnipotent when they are only nigh, same arguments can be made to DC characters.
Beyonders killed Post Retcon LT.
But we already know LT is omniscient, he knows everything and exists in all realities, he is the judge of everything, but wait what did he say in Infinity Conflict

I had no idea this problem had such widespread repercussions.
Lmao, he also asks AOO "This has become a multidimensional crisis?

Thus, he was not omniscient. So, either you accept that they were just avatars or continue to look away from the truth.
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EnDico 9 mo 7 d
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The Presence Take a look a these pictures from Grant Morrison for once. This is exactly what proves everything right and wrong with The Presence:






So, The Presence is The Writer.
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EnDico 9 mo 7 d
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The Presence The Presence wasn't killed either just as Lucifer even stated it himself:

Plus, Lucifer admitted The Presence's powers:
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EnDico 9 mo 7 d
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The Presence Now, TOAA. This is the proof of AAO (AKA TOAA) being absorbed by Thanos using a Regulator:


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EnDico 9 mo 7 d
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The Presence The Presence admitted that everything is part of his plan. Every variable, every physical law, everything happens because he MAKES it happen.



By the way, I know you will say he passed his powers down but that is not the case. The Presence passed creation just to break the tie between Heaven and Hell during their final battle. The Presence instead calls this "To cut the knot" solution. Plus, The Presence annihilated Lilith without breaking a sweat in this picture.

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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Hold on ill respond to this later, need to type a bible worth of scans real quick 🦍
Oblivion
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The Presence Presence casually oneshots the verse.
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RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All No
Oblivion
Oblivion 9 mo 10 d
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The Presence yeh
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All OK. Then Hell no
Oblivion
Oblivion 9 mo 10 d
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The Presence Dc 1As are way higher than marvel 1As
Oblivion
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The Presence Little correction,
Dc isnt 4d,i assume you are referring to this
4 dimensions refers to 4 realms.Highest of them being the 6th dimension then source wall and 2 others idr.
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
De
Deaney 9 mo 13 d
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The Presence Cmon!! These two guys are meant to be equal !!
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RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 10 d
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The One-Above-All Hell no
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EnDico 8 mo 7 d
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The Presence Hell yes
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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Dhruv
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The One-Above-All That was above all others, an aspect of TOAA and is non canon.
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The Presence Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. The Infinity Conflict Ending Comic is canon because it actually says it on Google. But since The Presence is the Overvoid, The One Above All wouldn’t have a single chance laying a scratch on The Presence.
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Dhruv
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The One-Above-All You know the writer was fired for his work after that,right?
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EnDico 9 mo 30 d
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The Presence It still doesn’t change the fact that it still affected the plot of Marvel. Regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All. The Presence held everything in his hand. There’s isn’t anything higher than him by default.
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EnDico 9 mo 27 d
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The Presence How about I show you something from Grant Morrison in the D.C. comics. Believe me, it explains everything about The Presence's true power.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

So, assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. The links above explain it all.
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Dhruv
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The One-Above-All Marvel has already said TOAA is basically an embodiment of the writers ,editors and readers.
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EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Like I said, he maybe a writer of a multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. Grant Morrison made his point with The Presence. The Presence is the writer and the incarnation of the Abrahamic god. You can say he’s the writer of Marvel all you want, but he isn’t the writer of an omniverse like The Presence. And by the same token, The Presence is The Overvoid which is the canvas.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All Writer>>>Presence.
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence And that’s when you realize you don’t know what more to say because you know I’m right. But you are on the same page. The Presence is the writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as the illustrator. So it should be like this: Presence>>>Elaine>>>Lucifer=Michael=Gabriel>>>Spectre>TOAA.
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Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All Grant Morrison already said readers>writers, there is no proof presence scales to the reader while its confirmed TOAA is basically writers+readers+editors.
Oblivion
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The Presence Grant morrison never said that.Reader embodiment in Dc (Empty Hand) isn't even above Mandrakk (editor embodiment) who got retconned out of existence by overvoid who is a mere tool created by writer against its will.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All Then why does presence know he is not the most powerful and writers shaped him.
Oblivion
Oblivion 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Presence is there existing as an absoloute being way beyond concept of pshycal existence,we reader shape him in the form of god we believe
its complicated let me explain
The god in dc has multiple manifestations
The monitors see the god as overvoid
The angels see him as presence
The new gods see him as source
Morrison confirmed it in one of his tweets.
The god is the combined form of everything i mentioned above
Beings in dc appears diffrent to diffrent races,for example michael demiurgos,appears to christians as michael,yet buddhists see him as khali,(it was revealed during his fight with spectre) etc.
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence That's exactly what I was about to say. Even Oblivion gets it. Readers are NOT greater than The Writer. The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
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Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All
I see through many eyes (omnipresent)
I am all powerful (omnipotent)
As i have already said. AAO is an aspect of OAA. And almost all writers do not consider it to be canon in any way. TOAA is always treated as a writer like figure, while AAO was regarded as a entity whom living tribunal serves. Regulator Thanos has no hope of defeating true OAA, writers have already ignored this work because it didn't follow and screwed up the basic concepts of the marvel multiverse, and I actually read one of your earlier comments and did you just say spectre > TOAA lol.
Oblivion
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The Presence Bro claims are not facts,if we go by that logic i can argue about multiple charecters being omniponent or even above.
AAO is TOAA stop it everyone knows it.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All Well almost everybody knows AAO and TOAA are different. He has also got a separate profile I believe.
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Oh, so your going to bring the Fandom page into this? Good, because even the Marvel Fandom says he isn't omnipotent in this line "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". Spectre is greater because he is the wrath of god and is metaversal. The One Above All had some embarrassing moments just when Thanos held a regulator and absorbed him along with the Living Tribunal at the time. The Presence is the Overvoid and The Writer since Grant Morrison portrayed him as The Writer if you look above. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others why he calls himself The One Above All. They already published the Infinity Conflict, it already affected the plot of Marvel, and still doesn't change the fact that The One Above All was nothing more than a mere chicken during the fight between him and Thanos along with the Living Tribunal.
Oblivion
Oblivion 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Even their names are the same,they have the same profile above all others is post retcon toaa.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All When did I bring the fandom page into all this.
Nah, TOAA is already a writer level character and regulator thanos is a fictional one.
Writer>>>Fictional character. And iirc, the comic was written by starlin who created thanos and it was his last comic, he just wanted to prove in the end his character is basically the strongest in marvel, and many editors have straight up said that Infinity Conflict is not canon in any way, Starlin might think something else, but everybody else does not believe that.
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EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Because in the Fandom, it says "I am the One Above All. I see through many eyes. I build with many hands. They are themselves, but they are also me. I am all-powerful. My only weapon is love. The mystery intrigues me". So let me say this: I agree with you, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but not an omniverse like The Presence. The Presence is the Overvoid and will annihilate The One Above All without breaking a sweat. The Presence created DC by splintering the whole universe with his hand into infinite pieces establishing it into a multiverse. And just for the record, Marvel is overrated and that's why all Marvel supporters are saying The One Above All will win even though he's nigh-omnipotent. He still is nothing to The Presence when it comes to The Presence's true form which is on the same scale as The Writer.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All I don't know if it was in fandom or not, it was his tagline from the start. His counterpart TOBA has also said this line in an opposite way in comics.
You yourself have accepted TOAA is atleast the writer of the marvel multiverse, then explain how regulator thanos can beat a writer character. Regulator is fictional and Writer>>>Fictional Character. That is why the comic is ignored by almost every writer and editor.
Spectre can't beat TOAA. Even AAO is confirmed omnipotent, spectre got slapped by a weakened michael, spectre loses to LT and Beyonder.
The three scans you have been sending from the start to claim Grant Morrison portrayed him as the writer are very small to read, I can't see a thing honestly, and yes we readers have as much importance as the writers. We have indirect plot manipulation, if there are demands for the comics of a particular character to be written, writers do that. If we don't read the comics they publish, it does affect their work on a large scale.
It has already been said GEB is outside of presence's creation.
AOO is not a chicken, just because it was the writer's last comic and he wanted thanos to be the most powerful character ever in history, doesn't change the fact, that writers and editors have straight up said they don't consider the work to be canon. You can simply consider AOO as Starlin's version of TOAA and TOAA is the rest of the writer's version of it.
En
EnDico 9 mo 11 d
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The Presence You realize The Presence creates GEB after he uttered the words “Let there be light”. The Presence is The Writer, he is The Overvoid, he has it all. He already merged with GEB and absorbed it. And just remember, TOAA is The Writer, only for a multiverse. The Presence is The Writer of an omniverse. Grant Morrison already proved it. And seriously now, stop coming up with the lame excuse about how AAO is a mere aspect of TOAA because they are the same beings. Everyone in Marvel calls him Above All Others while he calls himself The One Above All. So, you still have it wrong even though you’ve been saying the same excuse about AAO for like the last 5 comments we’ve posted, so move on. AAO is the same as TOAA, end of conversation.
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Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All Because literally 99% don't accept AAO and TOAA to be same, you still haven't proved how a fictional character can beat a writer. I think you are trying to say regulator thanos >> writer .

"Before light"
En
EnDico 9 mo 11 d
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The Presence Have you looked at the links above?? They already prove that The Presence is The Writer. Just like right here: And just to be honest, claims aren’t facts. The Presence is The Writer and The Overvoid so he already beats GEB just as he did after he absorbed him by shaking hands.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

And if your saying 99% of everyone on this page think they are separate, then look at those who voted for The Presence for once.
En
EnDico 9 mo 11 d
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The Presence GEB and The Presence might be the same beings since GEB is God’s dark side so just keep that in mind.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All I said the scans you provided are too small or me to read, if possible, try sending bigger scans, maybe I get a change of heart.
Many people believe TOAA and AAO are different, but they think presence can beat both of them, and look at the comments down, literally everyone who says about regulator already says AOO is an aspect of TOAA. It is widely accepted, since it doesn't make sense how a character can go against a writer to defeat him when the writer is himself writing the character.
En
EnDico 9 mo 11 d
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The Presence Then you want to know what you should do? Change your screen resolution. You want to know what would be even more convenient? How about you copy and paste the link onto another tab yourself? You still following up here or do you have ADHD? Alright, allow me to be a teacher for a moment. You highlight the link by clicking left on your mouse, hold it, and slide across until you highlight the link. Then you wanna know what you do next?? You hit ctrl+c on your keyboard to copy the links. Open a new tab, press ctrl+p, and your done. Wow, magic right? I mean it's pretty bizarre what future we're living in right now, isn't it? Now, if you look up The Presence on Google, there will be a documentation on Wikipedia that even states he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and immortal. Now try looking up The One Above All: oh wow, he doesn't have a documentation on Wikipedia? That's not a claim either, that's a statement. Obviously, you know I'm right, you just don't want to believe it because your a typical Marvel lover who only reads Marvel comics 24/7 a week.
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Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 11 d
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The One-Above-All My Friend, are you honestly considering me so dumb that I don't know how to copy paste the link to another tab, I have tried it already, and I have tried to zoom in to read it, it makes the picture quality all the more blurry. This isn't a school project that I will look it up in wikipedia, and if a document is not present, I will straight up assume the topic to be crap and whatnot. Instead, you should have made the link clickable by writing url and /url in square brackets at the beginning and end of the link to make it easier for people to access it. All you have said is one regulator>>> Jack kirby and stan lee (since TOAA represents them ). You should have realised regulator has no chance against TOAA, since regulator is written by a writer and the writer himself is TOAA.
En
EnDico 9 mo 10 d
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The Presence Look it up. Regulator vs TOAA. It shows a comic page that actually shows TOAA and The Living Tribunal being absorbed at the same time. No, TOAA didn’t write the regulators. You want to know who did? Stan Lee. You treat TOAA like he’s above omnipotence which is impossible and second of all, Thanos already went beyond the multiverse that not even TOAA was unable to reach. Thanos held a regulator which is omniversal since it extends beyond a multiverse.
Dhruv
Dhruv 9 mo 8 d
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The One-Above-All You are contradicting yourself. TOAA represents the writers (Stan Lee and Jack kirby), he also has taken the form of jack kirby in comics, you yourself have accepted TOAA is writer of marvel, so how can a writer (real life person) lose to someone who was written by himself and is a fictional thing (regulator).
En
EnDico 7 mo 24 d
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The Presence Then let me ask you, did you see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby or not? Now, we go back to Grant Morrison in DC. Just how Animal Man runs into Grant Morrison, they all ran into Jack Kirby in Marvel. TOAA and The Presence have nothing to do with these characters at all. The Presence, however, was the first to become aware of who wrote him and TOAA never did. When The Presence states him being shaped by "external forces" he is only referring to the writers. TOAA never stated that at all nor did TOAA turn into Jack Kirby. We didn't see TOAA turn into Jack Kirby at all actually. TOAA has absolutely nothing to do with Jack Kirby just to begin with. Or you could say that The Presence took the form of Grant Morrison after he was portrayed as the writer in the Animal Man series.
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RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All I don't think The Presence is omnipotent
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shaneherald
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The Presence well one above all isnt he lost to thanos
Dhruv
Dhruv 10 mo 9 d
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The One-Above-All @shaneherald That was an aspect of one above all (above all others).
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 10 mo 8 d
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The One-Above-All Dhruv is right
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence TOAA isn’t omnipotent either, but he’s above presence.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All It's over a billion times easier to say TOAA's omnipotent than say the Presence is. With that being said, both The Presence and The One Above All get downplayed to disgusting levels nowadays.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All @Incognito then why did you vote the presence
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. There are the same beings. Second of all, regulators are omniversal which is what limits The One Above All's powers making him only nigh-omnipotent.
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence But I know you'll be arguing my statement, so I'll copy and paste one of my original messages when I made my point with these two comic book gods: The Presence is portrayed as The Writer just as shown in the links above. Grant Morrison wrote the comic, he published it, and now is official that The Presence is The Writer. Let me send you the links again in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/06/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180322

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f0/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180338

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/97/The_Presence_is_the_writer_or_illustrator_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20200525180352

Now, I'll say this again: assuming that Monitor-Mind The Over-Void is literally the white page, The Presence is the writer/illustrator, since, in Animal Man #5, Grant Morrison portrayed the Presence as the writer/illustrator within the setting of the DC Universe. So, you have it all wrong. Readers aren't greater than the writer because they have no impact with the story line and the plot itself. And I know your going to come up with two more excuses as to why you think The Presence isn't supreme. Yes, he merged with The Great Evil Beast, but The Presence absorbed The Great Darkness and his powers and since The Presence is the Overvoid, he still has the upper hand. Second of all, in the new Lucifer Run, everyone thought that The Presence was killed by a possessed Gabriel using a sword that was designed by The Presence himself.

So everyone in Heaven wondered how that is even "paradoxically" possible and after the following issues, Lucifer figured out that it was just another shenanigan by The Presence as well. Here is another link that explains this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111296040/6471245-6425662-lucifer.jpg

And as you can see from the comic page above, The Presence might not have even been dead at all. What the angels thought was the death of the "Original God", may as well just be him again making changes, and using lower entities to do it. Now lets move on to The One Above All. The Marvel Fandom page says that he is supreme, but EVEN the fandom admits that his weakness is Multiversal Imbalance. In it's own words "Multiversal Imbalance: When Thanos, controlled by his omnipotent future self, got hold of his universe's Regulator (an artifact more powerful than the Infinity Gems which served to keep each universe separate from one another), this caused grave imbalance to the Multiverse something that neither the Above-All-Others was able to fix.[17] This allowed the all-powerful Thanos from the year 4657 A.D. to absorb the Above-All-Others". But don't assume that the name "Above-All-Others" is a mere extension of The One Above All because they are the exact same being except everyone in Marvel calls in Above All Others while he (himself) calls him The One Above All. When The Presence mentioned "External Forces" one of the writers of DC even admits that he was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to The Writers. Even though The Presence is The Writer, he still is aware of people writing him as well. And I know your going to say that he passed his powers down to Elaine, but that's not the case. The Presence did this because there was a final battle between Heaven and Hell, so The Presence passed Creation down to Elaine to break the tie. Even then, this was still part of The Presence's plan. He never gave up his omnipotence since he is the Overvoid. Giving up omnipotence is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with. The Presence could still take away the powers he had given to Elaine since he made her nigh-omnipotent. Elaine is still below The Presence since he is truly omnipotent. The fandom page even says it.

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elaine_Belloc

So The One Above All maybe the writer of his own multiverse. That's great and all, but it's already known that Marvel is only a multiverse since regulators are on a much higher scale (omniversal essentially) which is what proves that The One Above All is really multiversal while The Presence is beyond omniversal since we know he's the Overvoid and The Writer.
RajinKabir
RajinKabir 9 mo 12 d
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The One-Above-All @EnDico reglators aren't omniversal. I believe every reality has a regulator.
En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence Without a working Regulator to patrol the cosmos itself, it will cause the Above-All-Others to no longer work in function of the said reality. The One Above All is only multiversal is what it means. The Presence is the Overvoid and is The Writer since Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. So yes, regulators are much on a higher scale than The One Above All since The One Above All is multiversal. If they are higher than someone who is multiversal, then what is the only explanation? They are omniversal because they control the distance between every universe and multiverse. Without the regulators, The One Above All would be useless. The Presence held literally everything in his hand, so there isn't anything higher than him by default. And no, Elaine didn't absorb his powers. There was a battle between Heaven and Hell so he passed Creation down to break the tie. Since The Presence is truly omnipotent, he would easily take away Elaine's powers and her nigh-omnipotence.
Dhruv
Dhruv 10 mo 21 d
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The One-Above-All This is basically marvel vs dc.
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HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Yup.
shaneherald
shaneherald 10 mo 8 d
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The Presence the presence has better feats
MrJaeger07
MrJaeger07 8 mo 30 d
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The One-Above-All Feats are irrelevant here.
Oblivion
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The Presence Lol what? toaa is a decent 1A while Yahweh is barely baseline high outerversal (using vsbw logic,toaa gets oneshotted by every decent infinite d according to comicvine)
Beings infinitely transcends high outerversal level,borderlining tier 0 are still compared by feats,what makes feats irrelevant here? its just you trying wank a nigh featless fodder to heavens and beyond lmao.
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SuperSomebody
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Neutral He has a point
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Lapis_Lazuli
Lapis_Lazuli 11 mo 23 d
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The One-Above-All TOAA is beyond comic book. What about the Presence ?
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 11 mo 23 d
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The Presence Lol no Leviathan of stories is most powerfull dc charachter
Michealdem17
Michealdem17 11 mo 23 d
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The Presence I'm not saying presence is above leviathan of stories. There something like all stories exist in unwritten including dc stories . It doesn't say that leviathan of stories is actual part of dc.
shaneherald
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The Presence the presence is god from Christianity he made the writers and he put their thoughts in their head to make the one-above-all.
Michealdem17
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The Presence The hell it is. Literally everything in this comics or whatever fiction is just an imaginary fictional adaptation it has nothing to do with reality, In fact nobody knows that whether god exist or multiverse exists it's just crazy ideas Inside minds of peoples which they adapt into story for purpose of entertainment of people and for their income. Literally it's foolish to call any imaginary character a real God of christianity. Only consider the comic as medium of fun everything inside them every character only exists on that comic panel and is created by pencil or ink. Even grant Morrison said readers have big role than writer in existence of comics.
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En
EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence The One Above All is only multiversal, not omniversal. I agree with your statement: yes, he is the writer of his own multiverse, but The Presence is the writer of an omniverse just when Grant Morrison portrayed The Presence as The Writer.
DarthNihilus003
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The One-Above-All Insert This character is omnipotent and this character is not omnipotent.
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shaneherald
shaneherald 1 y 19 d
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The Presence swap that around
Jongensoden
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The Presence Both are not
InvertedQuantumSpectrum
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The One-Above-All I don't really understand how these 2 could have a random encounter
WAWA_MEGAMIND
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The One-Above-All One above all has every power that exist in the universe.
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The One-Above-All Yes, the presence is super powerful but the one above all is nigh-omnipotent meaning he basically has unlimited power also the one above all is omnipresent meaning he exists everywhere and can exist anywhere also he is untouchable yup he is so powerful no one could even scratch him. But you may be like but cant the presence warp reality yes he can but so can the one above all. so overall the one above all would easily destroy the presence. also, the presence has no omini powers what so ever.
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shaneherald
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The Presence the presence is omnipotent
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All No, he isn't.
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The Presence I think you misunderstood the term “nigh-omnipotence”. Nigh-omnipotent means your close to being all powerful but you still have limitations. It doesn’t mean your all powerful. Omnipotent means your all powerful and TOAA is nigh omnipotent since regulators are proven to be on a higher scale. The Presence on the other hand held literally everything in his hand so The Presence is omnipotent and omniversal while TOAA is multiversal.
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RajinKabir
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The One-Above-All Changed my vote to One-Above-All
Ssaroj123
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The Presence Presence will win easily
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EmreAkkayaTR 1 y 2 mo 15 d
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The One-Above-All no noob Presence aint omnipotent
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Akash02 1 y 2 mo 18 h 5 m
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The One-Above-All Toaa kicks his ass
Tomal786
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The Presence Marvel kid don't know anything,
Guys search on Wikipedia presence is omnipotent...
And TOAA have no document in Wikipedia..
Presence can curb stomp Toaa
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All @Tomal imagine using Wikipedia as evidence
SuperSomebody
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Neutral The Presence was shaped by external forces
A mystery still intrigues TOAA
Tbh they would just have a cup of tea in the heavens
Be more like TOAA and The Presence
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The Presence I think there will not be any fight. Even if there is any fight then The presence will lose if one above all will be on MCU. If both of them are not in there universe then The presence will win because one above all is not a being or anything he is Non-corporeal. He will not even be able to exist on other places than his MCU. The presence will lose in MCU because he is the true God/creator of DC universe. Not MCU. Therefore presence will not be able to use his power in MCU.
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The One-Above-All TOAA is Omnipotent
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HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Neither of them are.
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Mat 1 y 3 mo 14 d
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The Presence Do you think maybe thefulcrum is the omnipotent one he isnt a aspect of toaa
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Except he is an aspect of OAA, and neither are Omnipotent
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All I said it once and I'll sa y it again:

First of all, Thanos did not absorb The One Above All. He absorbed its avatar: Above All Others.

Second of all, in Infinity Conflict, The One Above All was stated multiple times to be the embodiment of all writers and editors. Jim Starlin talked about how he created the infinity series, including the characters in it. He's literally the True One-Above-All.

Third, in Ultimates, TOAA was beyond everything including the conceptless nothingness and all time and space in the Jim Starlin Story.

Finally and most importantly, Thanos was only absorbing AVATARS of the abstract. The true Eternity exists out of all in the dark nothingness, but the Eternity Thanos absorbed was in a pocket actuality. The Living Tribunal told Adam they're avatars of entirely different realities and TOAA stated he only became the embodiment of avatars in this reality.

It doesn't matter how strong a character is. The-One-Above-All will always be above Marvel and every book, character, location, narrative, and story.
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Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All Hopefully your answer will get rid of a lot of the hate towards TOAA and how underrated he is. I can't believe I even have to say this in the first place
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Omnipotent being doesn't need avtar if he needs he is not Omnipotent
Tyrannus
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The One-Above-All No it shows how powerful he is
Tahsin
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The One-Above-All 1000000000000%agreed
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Okay, this battle's just not interesting anymore.
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AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All No considering very little people know how to scale either one of them right.
Jongensoden
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The Presence Both are not omnipotent if they are omnipotent and both fight then nothing will happen since both are omniscient and would know everything and if one of them Puts up a fight both are not omnipotent you can lake claims they are omnipotent in their own verse
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Miss match
Presence stomp , people still believe toaa being omnipotent
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HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Neither of them are omnipotent. There's no such thing as an omnipotent character in comic books...well, at least from my perspective.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Accurate perspective
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence But presence has more impressive feats and doesn't have sign in his omnipotent
Breaker
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The One-Above-All TIE . both of them can trash all of the comics by they hands .there is just no one can beat them
Mr_Incognito
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The Presence Mike Carey, the writer of Lucifer #75, said that when the presence mentions "External forces" he is breaking the fourth wall and referring to the writers of the comic, not a force above him in the DC multiverse. He wrote that comic. Just FYI
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Mr_Incognito
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The Presence Only voted presence to keep the balance.
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @everyone Have any of you people not heard of Above-All-Others? He's the one that got absorbed by Thanos, not The-One-Above-All.
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EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All The presence is way above him either way
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All He's not omnipotent.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Neither is OAA, The presence has better scaling
Jongensoden
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The Presence Presence is high outerversal and has more feats One above all is just outerversal presence claps
shaneherald
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The Presence omnipotence vs nigh omnipotence
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Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All He's not omnipotent which you've been unable to disprove.
Breaker
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The One-Above-All TOAA is omnipotent or prove that wrong
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All An avatar is sent by the true TOAA which means an avatar doesn't change the intellect of TOAA if TOAA prove not omniscient, therefore he's not omnipotent it's a simple as that my friend. Where did the author say that anyways?

Actually you haven't and I don't feel like repeating myself again.

Again he sends the avatar because his true self's presence would simply kill whoever he's talking to like you just said but that doesn't mean his avatar would Be any less intelligent than his true self meaning the true OAA is also Intrigued by mysteries. And you have evidence to suggest that he was just saying that to make him feel better, that's just an assumption you made up but alas whats else should I expect from you.

I might because I'm done with your mental illnesses ruining my life.
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All Okay, how the he'l dose that work?! If TOAA has no true form then what is the difference between him and the Above All Others?

If that's the case then why did you say "anyone trys to show toba or toaa true form they head will blow up and die?" Yes I did because omniscience is a part of omnipotence and if TOAA is not omniscient then how is he omnipotent?

Now please provide evidence that he is omnipotent please.
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All If he has no true form (which doesn't make any sense whatsoever) then you'll have to use his aspect because he doesn't have a true form by your logic.

Just because he said he's "all powerful" doesn't automatically make him all powerful. Odin once said he was omnipotent so is he by your logic? And I love how you post a scan that proves he's not omniscient. So there either TOAA was lying or he wasn't Omniscient enough to know that he wasn't omniscient. Boom boom.

Now I have a question for you: is TOAA the writer? If so can you prove it?
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Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All Have at thee breaker!
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All I'm not, I'm just saying if you want to claim TOAA is omnipotent because he once said so then Odin would also be omnipotent because he once said he was and Master Order even once called him "the living omnipotence." My proof he's not omniscient is in his Conversation with Spider-Man and in that scan you posted. :D

Okay, if he's the writer then I consede that he's omnipotent but then if he was the writer then why isn't he omniscient?
Breaker
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The One-Above-All Ignore all of this ,I'm Gonna Reformulate All What i type ,A new Debate
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EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence You guys just have it all wrong. Above All Others is what everyone in Marvel calls him while he calls himself The One Above All. Mike Carey already mentioned that The Presence was only breaking the fourth wall and referring to people writing him. Second of all, Grant Morrison already portrayed The Presence as The Writer in the Animal Man series. The Presence never gave up his omnipotence which is impossible for him to accomplish just to begin with since he is the Overvoid. Look on the Marvel Fandom page for once. Even they admit The One Above All's weakness is multiversal imbalance. I know your going to say that The Presence was killed by the possessed Gabriel, but Lucifer eventually figures out that it was only part of The Presence's plan. The link below explains it all.
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elsala
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The One-Above-All both are god so...
Laserblue
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The One-Above-All A
NegativeHeat
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not voted Omnipotence cancel omnipotence,
Neither of them win
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All Balance will be restored
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Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Thank god
arianadatio
arianadatio 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The One-Above-All You're welcome
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence I'm thanking god
arianadatio
arianadatio 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The One-Above-All can i break the balance XD
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Na I don't like oaa winning this battle
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All OMG why you hate toaa my friend ?
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The Presence I don't like that overrated fodder
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All he is overrated because he is gods...
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The Presence He is below me
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All phoenix >>>mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The Presence Definitely not
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence I'm >>Phoenix
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All but im sure at 1000% phoenix is more popular than him
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All The White Phoenix of the Crown is above Mxy @arianadatio.
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All @AkhilPDX of course she is she can hold the entire universe in the palm of her hands right
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All It's not that. It's that she's the physical embodiment of all life that has, is, and will exist.
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All my bad @AkhilPDX but i know she hold the entire 616 universe in the palm of her hands and change the future
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Let me correct u I'm >W Phoenix of the crown
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Lol that's nothing what mxy did LMAO
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All i like the presence more than toaa
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Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Than why did u vote toaa
Presence is more powerful than toaa
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god bit idk why i change lol
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence No stalemate presence wins that featless fodder
arianadatio
arianadatio 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The One-Above-All STALEMATE
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The Presence Toaa was not able to stop Thanos regulator he is no near presence
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All Presence has been killed before...
Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk 1 y 9 mo 1 d
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The Presence That was his plan he wasn't kill
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All for me is a stalemate god can not kill god
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Presence is true God of DC he is Yahweh ,and next they are both near omnipotent it means one can defeat another
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All idk who win really
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Presence has far better feats than toaa by feats presence wins
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All so i changed my vote
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Yaa
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All its okay
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence Now 1 more vote for balance
arianadatio
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The One-Above-All yes someone need to vote presence
Mxyzptlk
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The Presence And u Change ur vote
Breaker
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The One-Above-All The Presence has been killed before
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HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Then he's not omnipotent.
BlotskyA
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not voted @Breaker and @_Holy_Joe_ Just for fun who would win if The One-Above-All had all the powers of the Entire Marvel Universe and The Presence has the Powers of the Entire DC Universe Who Wins
AkhilPDX
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The One-Above-All TOAA is already more powerful than everything in Marvel. The Presence is not.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All That was an avatar of the presence for one thing, and for another, it was an illusion made for the presences plan
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All He never died
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Then, explain that.
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HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All Furthermore, if he actually was omnipotent, he would be able to kill The Great Evil Beast and he wouldn't have admitted this.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All Never said he was Omnipotent, and the characters in that scan are not outside of his plan, and that was an avatar of the presence who was shaped by external forces, the true form of the Presence has no physical body
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @EmptyHand 'kay, then why was the weapon made?
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All The weapon was made to kill the dark Presence who is nothing more than a pale shadow of the true Presence, it never really hurt Yahweh he just pretended like it did, cause as we all know he has a plan that involves everything and only Lucifer is outside it
Jongensoden
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The Presence Akhil everything ? So that's why the regulator stopped him
Oblivion
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The Presence That was yahweh who isnt even the strongest aspect of tf presence
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @EmptyHand Either way, he still can't kill TGEB. Thus, he's not omnipotent nor omniscient.
EmptyHand
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The One-Above-All @HolyJoe well is that why lucifer slapped the great evil beast?
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EnDico 9 mo 12 d
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The Presence The Presence wasn't killed by the possessed Gabriel. Lucifer figured it out by himself just as he states in the link below.
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Superboy1
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The One-Above-All Y'all don't know how much I want to break the tie
I would vote One-Above-All
Clint_Barton
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The One-Above-All I don't even know why I changed my vote.
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Clint_Barton
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The One-Above-All Okay. Okay.
La
Larfleeze 1 y 11 mo 26 d
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The Presence Balance
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Michealdem17
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The Presence He said it's impossible to have a winner
Dark_Wing
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The One-Above-All @Oblivion prove that The Presence is stronger?
HolyJoe
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The One-Above-All @Dark_Wing He can't.
NegativeHeat
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not voted TOAA is omnipotent, nothing has ever done anything to him
Savage
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The One-Above-All That was just an aspect of TOAA. The Presence is everything DC. TOAA created everything Marvel.

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The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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Voted neutral.
John_Doe
The One-Above-All wins!
Or
The One-Above-All wins!
Death_13
The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The Presence wins!
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Voted neutral.
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Voted neutral.
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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Voted neutral.
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The Presence wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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Voted neutral.
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The Presence wins!
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Voted neutral.
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The Presence wins!
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Voted neutral.
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The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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Voted neutral.
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Voted neutral.
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The Presence wins!
Sorcerer_Supreme
The One-Above-All wins!
Mandos9452
The Presence wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The One-Above-All wins!
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The Presence wins!
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The Presence wins!
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Voted neutral.
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Voted neutral.
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Voted neutral.
Ch
Voted neutral.
TashPuddle
The Presence wins!
ArdaX000991
The One-Above-All wins!
Chijb
The Presence wins!
Sup_albertito
The Presence wins!
TonioCartonio
The One-Above-All wins!
In
Voted neutral.
Shaggy_Rogers
The Presence wins!
Ul
The One-Above-All wins!
MrMemerMan
Voted neutral.
St
Voted neutral.
The_Presence
The Presence wins!
Pitsour
The One-Above-All wins!
vcowles77
Voted neutral.
Meerrahmat
The One-Above-All wins!
si
The One-Above-All wins!
AaronZeki
The Presence wins!
IAMlegend87069
The Presence wins!
Pkay
Voted neutral.
Ir
The One-Above-All wins!
masterking2
Voted neutral.
JuggarNot
Voted neutral.
SSpiderGwen
Voted neutral.
odinsbeard69
The One-Above-All wins!
Paul_008
The Presence wins!
Ga
The One-Above-All wins!
Comicsguy
The One-Above-All wins!
He
Voted neutral.
MaseTheFace
Voted neutral.
God_of_Humanity
The Presence wins!
SuperSomebody
Voted neutral.
Gl
The Presence wins!
_P
The One-Above-All wins!
Darkseid_Uxas
The Presence wins!
Lom
The One-Above-All wins!
CosmicKingThor
The One-Above-All wins!
AlbertWesker
The One-Above-All wins!
Jack_Kirby
The One-Above-All wins!
S8N
Voted neutral.
ET9
The Presence wins!
_God
Voted neutral.
Sp
Voted neutral.
lo
The One-Above-All wins!
srirachajoshua
Voted neutral.
Omegadestroyer99
The One-Above-All wins!
Lux
The One-Above-All wins!
Jakcj
Voted neutral.
SavageNinjaMW
The Presence wins!
Om
The One-Above-All wins!
Ab
The One-Above-All wins!
om
The One-Above-All wins!