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TashPuddle
TashPuddle 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) Melkor TF One Shots
Tahsin
Tahsin 1 mo 21 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Astral regulator thanos sh*t stomps
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SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Tashin Astral Regulator thanos gets sh*t stomped
Tahsin
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @SMPLegendary Prove it which you can't in your entire life.
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SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Tashin sure, Melkor is outerversal, he literally transcends into infinity. And the regulator is one per universe soooo...And also, check the debates below with 40 replies. and stop being a marvel or Naruto fanboy I love Naruto but it gets sh!t stomped even by Gandalf.
Tahsin
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) "sure, Melkor is outerversal, he literally transcends into infinity. And the regulator is one per universe soooo...And also, check the debates below with 40 replies. and stop being a marvel or Naruto fanboy I love Naruto but it gets sh!t stomped even by Gandalf."-I don't have type for those sh*ts. Show me actual scans . Also even base thor transcends infinity. These are not even 1b. Do you even know proper scaling? Stop being a wanker. I have seen you abusing many users. Also i never wanked naruto. All i said about him is fax . Also i do not compare any outerversal character to naruto. Prove it or stop spitting bullsh*t. No one is interested in hearing you gibberish. What do you think? Statements of being beyond 1 single universe and space and time is outerversal? Nice try. Smh Bad effects of comicvine. These are not even hyperversal. Learn some scaling then come here.
TashPuddle
TashPuddle 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) True Form Melkor transcended infinite reality
Tahsin
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @TashPuddle A single universe in marvel is consisting of infinite dimensions with infinite realities and naratives. Melkor is nothing but fodder to this.
TashPuddle
TashPuddle 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) @Tahsin Dimensions and Multiverses and Cosmology meant nothing to the Valar and Maiar. They are infinite Spirits that created infinite reality. They are way beyond the universe.
TashPuddle
TashPuddle 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) @Tahsin BTW in terms of power Bleach>Naruto
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 20 d
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Melkor (True Form) @TashPuddle, maybe, but Naruto>Ichigo
Tahsin
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) "Dimensions and Multiverses and Cosmology meant nothing to the Valar and Maiar. They are infinite Spirits that created infinite reality. They are way beyond the universe."-This is your own thinking. I don't care about that.
"BTW in terms of power Bleach>Naruto"-Fax.
Lazada
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Melkor (True Form) Melkor curbstomp
Tahsin
Tahsin 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) "Melkor curbstomp
"-Bullshit.
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) I'll need to add this to my list in the "mismatch" forum
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ItachiDarkCraft 2 mo 26 d
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Melkor (True Form) Okay Melkor was supposed to be 465B it got nerfed somehow If you don't believe me then idrc
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ItachiDarkCraft 2 mo 26 d
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Melkor (True Form) Add my discord ItachiDarkCraft#3228 if you want to debate with me
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Melkor has no chance, sorry
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ItachiDarkCraft 2 mo 25 d
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Melkor (True Form) Okay ur just a salty hater that is jealous your all marvel d riders
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Lol, prove he's powerful enough to take down this thanos then
EmptyHand
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) No wonder someone named itachi is being an ass after his favorite character gets downgraded
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @EmptyHand downgrade for no reason. Marvel is overrated on this moron site.
Galactus
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not voted @SMPLegendary No-one forces you to stay...
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Galactus only Akhil is a b!tch, and a few more too. They downgrade LOTR Star Wars and Narnia while upgrading Marvel. Anyways adults treat the website like a joke lol. Kids are fighting here like fighting for family XD
Pedrof
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Language!
Galactus
Galactus 1 mo 23 d
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not voted Stop insulting other users. No matter how much you disagree with someone, there's no reason to talk like that.
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @SMPLegendary My guy, you've got to chill out. Please treat other users with respect.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage I'm anti-Akhil. He's abusing his own moderator rule.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Galactus Akhil's abusing his role, and he's scared to debate with me.
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @SMPLenendary I don't think @AkhilPDX is scared to debate with you, and no one cares your "anti-akhil". That's not a thing. You need to stop, if you don't like this website just leave.
AkhilPDX
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @SMPLegendary And you've been violating basically everything the site stands for since the moment you've stepped foot here. I'm not scared of debating you but the matter of fact is that there's no reason to debate someone so immature and toxic. You haven't given any evidence whatsoever as to why any of the characters deserve the stats you say they apparently deserve and moreover, you don't understand the fundamental basics of a debate. It's a waste of time and effort.

@Savage He tried to harass me in the comment section of my YouTube channel thinking it would help but I don't think he knows that he's slowly crawling closer to a mute. Hopefully one that's a bit more permanent this time around.
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @AkhilPDX What's your youtube channel?
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX I want you to come to discord and I'll give proof. I hate debating here the Marvel fankids will come over and try to abuse me. Also, there's a few people who love cosmology who wants to debate with you in my group.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage AkhilPDX or AkhilPDXGaming
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Rather give proofs and we debate right here or you come onto discord and try to give scalings
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 21 d
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage I'm not the only one harassing him, there's a few people doing that. Akhil says ridiculous things while he gives 0 Proof. and he's editing all the characters of Star Wars and LOTR and Narnia so he's angering the fans and stuff. I'm basically anti-Marvel fan. Their dogsh!t
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SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage I just want him to give proof of how Doctor Strange beats Eru, Base Hulk stomps Melkor and how base Shazam solos Star Wars.
AkhilPDX
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @Savage AkhilPDX

@SMPLegendary I'm not interacting with people like you. You had a chance to act civilized and you blew it. Take responsibility for it and stop pestering me. If you want a debate, you get a debate here. There are no Marvel "fankids" but if you think whoever you're referring to is such an inconvenience, then leave but you sure as hell aren't gonna come onto this website and act like you own the place. The profiles are wanked to begin with and if they are, they'll be downgraded. There needs to be evidence to support a profile being that high and guess what, whether it's valid or not, users such as Pedro have given evidence to at least fight against it. They don't go and throw a childish tantrum which involves going around and harrassing people. I'll say this once and only once. Stop this behavior or you're going to get muted. No way around it.
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @AkhilPDX Are you able to just mute him or does Galactus have to do it?
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage @AkhilPDX Sure, debate here. I'll try to not be toxic. I'll bring a few other people here too.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Star Wars have Bedlam Spirits. They are "omnipotent" The Star Wars wiki says it. I don't think Shazam's taking them down. Eru created time. Doctor Strange can only control an aspect of Eru's creation. And how is he gonna go onto the timeless halls? Well that leaves doctor strange or Galactus into the dust bc they can't access the timeless halls.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX @TashPuddle and @Pedrof would probably debate here.
AkhilPDX
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) The Star Wars wiki is simply that. A wiki. Even so, many characters have been stated to be omnipotent but don't come close to fitting the definition. Quantify creating time. How impressive is it? Doctor Strange has gone to places beyond time and has been fine. He's fought characters beyond time and has been just fine. Eru creating it doesn't matter. Nor does not being able to access the timeless hall.
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX J.R.R. Tolkien says that Eru is omnipotent.

Eru (meaning the Oneor He that is alonein Quenya), also referred to as Ilúvatar (meaning the All High or the Father of All) is the supreme God of Arda and Middle-earth. He is the single creator, standing omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent above the Valar and Maiar. He has delegated most of his direct action on Eä to the Ainur, including the shaping of Arda itself.

He's at least nigh-omnipotent, way greater than doctor strange or Galactus
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not voted @AkhilPDX Yeah Strange had been fine going to these things, but if it were Strange vs Galactus you'd vote Galactus because he is more powerful than him.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) How powerful is Eru Iluvatar?

No limits. Eru is infinite.

Now none of us know, though the Valar may know, the future of Arda, or how long it is ordained to endure. But it will not endure for ever. It was made by Eru, but He is not in it. The One only has no limits. Arda, and Eä itself, must therefore be bounded.

[…]

How could Eru enter into the thing that He has made, and than which He is beyond measure greater? Can the singer enter into his tale or the designer into his picture?

It is not conceivable how or to quantitative a Being that is considered God. It would be possible to the Valar, the gods that Tolkien says were at least as powerful as the gods of human mythologies but the Valar are only created spirits and temporarily rulers of a finite world. The One only has no limits, the whole of Eä and its history from beginning to end would be just an atom, and infinitely smaller than an atom, or an infinitely short moment in Eru's mind.

Rather than quantifying, Eru’s power can be summarized in Tolkien's own terms; Eru is the only bearer of the Flame imperishable which is the power to create anything out of nothing (fully creation other than subcreation that is derived) as well as creating independent life or powerful beings on your own.

Eru also has the authority and the freedom to interfere in the world as well as to change the fundamental laws of which the Valar have neither power nor authority to do. For example; the Valar cannot take away the immortality of the Elves or give immortality to the Men. While the Valar has full physical capabilities above dimensions of Arda, they cannot destroy the world. In turn, Eru could destroy the entire solar system of Arda at any time, an intervention that would make the destruction of Númenor look like child's play.

But in any case, whether adumbrated in the Music or not, the End could be brought about by Eru at any time by intervention, so that it could not be certainly foreseen. (A minor and as it were foreshadowing intervention of this sort was the catastrophe in which Númenor was obliterated, and the physical residence of the Valar in Imbar was ended.)

[…]

The Elves expected the End of Arda to be catastrophic. They thought that it would be brought about by the dissolution of the structure of Imbar at least, if not of the whole system.


Finally, is implicitly stated Eru has perfect judgment and proficiency to do anything, He doesn't make mistakes.

Every finite creature must have some weakness: that is some inadequacy to deal with some situations. It is not sinful when not willed, and when the creature does his best (even if it is not what should be done) as he sees it - with the conscious intent of serving Eru.

Summing up; Eru is God, but wrapped in Tolkien's own metaphysical system.
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Melkor (True Form) More...


ru Ilúvatar by definition is the Supreme Deity, Power, Ruler, Master, and Spirit of all that is within Tolkien’s Legendarium, through, and through.

He is Infinite.

Now none of us know, though the Valar may know, the future of Arda, or how long it is ordained to endure. But it will not endure for ever. It was made by Eru, but He is not in it. The One only has no limits. Arda, and Eä itself, must therefore be bounded.

He is Measureless.

How could Eru enter into the thing that He has made, and than which He is beyond measure greater? Can the singer enter into his tale or the designer into his picture?

He’s capable of doing things his very creations can never dream of doing.

But in any case, whether adumbrated in the Music or not, the End could be brought about by Eru at any time by intervention, so that it could not be certainly foreseen. (A minor and as it were foreshadowing intervention of this sort was the catastrophe in which Númenor was obliterated, and the physical residence of the Valar in Imbar was ended.)

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The Elves expected the End of Arda to be catastrophic. They thought that it would be brought about by the dissolution of the structure of Imbar at least, if not of the whole system.

He is more than a Metaphysical being, he’s Pataphysical, and is more of the writer, illustrator, and creator of Tolkien’s own very works than Tolkien himself.

The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'* (as one critic has said). See Vol. I p. 65. Actually referred to as 'the One' in App. A III p. 317 1. 20. The Númenóreans (and Elves) were absolute monotheists.

He is The One, The Creator, The Father of All, He is Eru Ilúvatar- the true master of all that is, will be, once was, and never was.



In short: He’s apart of the top greatest & most powerful beings in fiction, and rightfully so.
SMPLegendary
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX By my feats, you gotta accept that he is at least nigh-omnipotent, he's not universal anymore
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Melkor (True Form) Now for Melkor...


Incalculable. As Tolkien himself says:

Even in his diminishment the power of Melkor is beyond our calculation.

But It depends on which Melkor we are talking about. To the question, there are at least five stages of Melkor's power, from the weakest to the strongest.

Melkor in the Ainulindale, his unlimited form, beyond space-time. While not necessarily more powerful the Ainur were already powerful before Ea, his entry into the world limited his power to the world:

But this condition Ilúvatar made, or it is the necessity of their love, that their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs. And therefore they are named the Valar, the Powers of the World.


‘I am the Elder King: Melkor, first and mightiest of all the Valar, who was before the world, and made it.

What we call reality-warping was practiced by Melkor in the Ainulindale, He hijacked the Creation and created aberration in the design of all things:

In the latter the Fall of Man is subsequent to and a consequence (though not a necessary consequence) of the 'Fall of the Angels' : a rebellion of created free-will at a higher level than Man; but it is not clearly held (and in many versions is not held at all) that this affected the 'World' in its nature: evil was brought in from outside, by Satan. In this Myth the rebellion of created free-will precedes creation of the World (Eä); and Eä has in it, subcreatively introduced, evil, rebellions, discordant elements of its own nature already when the Let it Be was spoken. The Fall or corruption, therefore, of all things in it and all inhabitants of it, was a possibility if not inevitable. Trees may 'go bad' as in the Old Forest; Elves may turn into Orcs, and if this required the special perversive malice of Morgoth, still Elves themselves could do evil deeds.

Is not a mere glimpse of physical strength, but something infinitely greater. The fabric of reality was twisted and corrupted even before its making. In that, you can imagine how powerful Melkor is. In fact, It is not necessarily how powerful Melkor is, but what it represents. He is not a planetary, galactic, or even universal threat. He is a vast shadow that rises against the Creation before its making itself.

Melkor was not just a local Evil on Earth, nor a Guardian Angel of Earth who had gone wrong: he was the Spirit of Evil, arising even before the making of Ea.
AkhilPDX
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) First, I need to know. Are these your claims or is it evidence?
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Evidence, some are from the books of Silmarillion
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Try to debunk every single statement if you really want Melkor to be planetary and Eru to be galaxy-universal. BTW be right back, got something to do.
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @SMPLegendary Simple claims of omnipotence aren't enough to get the power or nigh-omnipotence for that matter but we'll get to that later.

You can be infinite on a simply 3 dimensional scale which would make him universal+. There are degrees of infinity. For example, Hulk or Superman have statements of being infinite which wouldn't make them omnipotent but it would make them infinite on a certain scale assuming those statements aren't hyperbole.

These don't seem to be statements but rather claims. Unless Tolkien brought himself up? I guess you could argue that higher planes in this verse are infinitely superior which is cool. He would lots of hax by what you've shown but beyond that, it's a simple no limits fallacy if you're considering that to be omnipotence.

Measureless, boundless, infinite, etc. They can still be bound in fiction and the context to the statement is important. Perhaps you could bring in some cosmology to delve into why this is important?

Evidence for the author stuff please and quantify what that's impressive. Simply being above the author isn't good enough on its own but it's a start!

Now THIS is what I'm looking for. Metaphysics and pataphysics are definitely important things to look towards. Simply the word thrown out might not be good but I believe pathaphysics is viewing metaphysics how metaphysics view ordinary physics and with context, that can definitely get Eru upgraded. If there's actual evidence of this, send it.

Beyond spacetime could literally just mean beyond the universe. There needs to be more than just that. It could also mean being 5D. "Creation" is vague. I need context for the last part of Melkor's stuff.
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX You know why we bug u? Because you only debate about dimensions lol. Thats not how to debate, there's 5 aspects in debating. Cosmology, Feats, Lore, String Theories and Speculation. Marvel lacks Lore, lore=religion and what the author says about the character. You simply can't scale a character that the author says is omnipotent lower. He knows more than any of us. The author says that Eru is boundless and infinite, he also said that he is to represent our omnipotent God in LOTR. More stuff later, brb
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX If you can't debunk the author LOL your losing the debate
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX If your talking about dimensions I'll bring up Star Wars.
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Melkor (True Form) You can stand under my umbrella
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Those five aren't even aspects of debating. You could be debating something that involves none of those. Saying Marvel lacks lore already shows how little you know about it. Just stop before you get ahead lmao. What the author says is practically irrelevant if it's not supported by the text in some manner. Eru is in no way omnipotent. Technically, no one is truly omnipotent in fiction but if you want someone to get that as an ability on the site, they need to fit certain standards and those standards can only be achieved by cosmology which is built upon by feats and lore and string theory and whatever else. If your verse doesn't have a cosmology built up or has a weaker cosmology, the character won't be upgraded.

I don't need to debunk the author when something called Death of the Author literally exists.

You don't need to ping me three times. I get a notification for one ping. I also don't see how Star Wars is relevant but if you'd like, go ahead.
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX LOTR isn't Dragon Ball, I'll scale him to be omnipotent because 1. THE AUTHOR SAYS IT 2. THE BOOKS SAYS IT 3. HE'S GOD

I looked up those terms and, as far as I’ve been able to determine, they apply to some arbitrary comic book battle/video game/RPG ranking.

But they don’t have any meaning within Tolkien’s mythology so I can only assume they’ve been arbitrarily assigned to characters by you or perhaps a group of like-minded people, based on what criteria I can’t even begin to guess.

Anyway, Eru is omnipotent because he is God, whom Tolkien worshipped devoutly and considered omnipotent (as do all Christians).
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Well I've won the debate before it even started. Proof>Cosmology.
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Melkor (True Form) @AkhilPDX Dimensions and Multiverses and Cosmology meant nothing to the Valar and Maiar and Eru. They are infinite Spirits that created infinite reality. They are way beyond the universe.
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Plenty of people are said to be omnipotent and be god, they could still just be a universal god. It depends largely on the size of the verse
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage LOTR is a verse that has no limits. Timeless halls and Eä(All that is) is infinite in size. Omniverses aren't tho, its just a lot of universes.
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 20 d
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Melkor (True Form) @Savage even if omniverses are infinite in size as well, I still have proof that he beats TOAA.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 20 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) It doesn't matter if YOU want to scale him to omnipotent. That would be wank.
1. Death of the Author
2. Hyperbole
3. Being a god doesn't make you omnipotent.

What words are you even talking about? Death of the Author?

Eru is not omnipotent simply because Tolkien believed in a higher power. That's not even how things work. They're unrelated.

Stop pinging me every message. I get a notification for a single ping. I don't need 3+ for a single refute.

Cosmology requires proof so it's not like you'd have no evidence if you use it. If you don't and rely on vague definitions, hyperbole, and fallacious arguments, well, that's on you. Your scaling isn't going to be accepted here or on any other site so you might as well stop now with that attitude.

"Infinite reality" can mean an infinite sized universe or an infinite multiverse. In order to differentiate, you need dimensional tiering. You need cosmology. If cosmology doesn't apply to that verse, I'm sorry but all that would prove is that it isn't as strong as you're making it out to be. "Beyond" the universe means very little without cosmology and dimensional tiering. Uni+? Multi+? We can't tell without it, can we now?
ManofPower
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) So we have a wanker here... Christ...
ManofPower
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) I hate to say this but @SMPLegendary your statements are not argued properly... at all. You're using no limit fallacies, false omnipotence, name fallacies and are not completely understanding how powerscaling works in fictional verses.

You're trying to have "Infinity" as the cap of power A.K.A Omnipotence, or at least from what I read, you must not know that infinity is low-key garbage without context. It can be 3-D Infinity, 4-D Infinity, 5-D Infinity. Infinity is not how large you can go. Even real world math proves this as fact. https://www.science.org.au/curious/space-time/beyond-infinity
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System
Read the link above to help you out with dimensional scaling, so incidents like this does not happen again.
And @AkhilPDX's comment above is correct.
Omniverses is "ALL things existent in any dimension and universe in the entirety of what is."
You are confusing an Omniverse with a Multiverse, and even then. There are finite and infinite multiverses and universes. It's confusing, I know. But you just have to research dimensional scaling better. So you don't misunderstand these things anymore.
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 20 d
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Melkor (True Form) @ManofPower dude people on this website are just stubborn like Marvel cancer in this website is crazy. Cosmology means nothing to LOTR Dimensions mean nothing to LOTR that's what I have to say. Plus I guess you have never read LOTR or the Silmarillion. Btw a regulator is one per universe so I don't see how its that impressive.
SMPLegendary
SMPLegendary 1 mo 20 d
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Melkor (True Form) @ManofPower @AkhilPDX and if ur talking about cosmology Star Wars beats Marvel
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) I'm not going to continue this, you aren't going to change your mind
Pedrof
Pedrof 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Lol, Star Wars does not beat Marvel in terms of cosmology.
ManofPower
ManofPower 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @Pedrof bro, normally you root for Star Wars
Props to you for putting your bias aside.
Yes, I understand that some users are stubborn. That's what is aged debaters are. Stubborn. You my friend, got stubborness. Which will definitely lead you to victory in some occasions. Cosmology and Dimensions are the only way you're going to get a character above Universal. I've never read anything LOTR, no. Regulator is a name fallacy. Just like Heart of The Universe Thanos is stronger than universal. Name fallacies are extremely common in all of fiction. I'm not a Marvel expert so @AkhilPDX will have to provide proof as to why you're claim is very wrong.
Pedrof
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @MoP, now I always try to vote for who really wins (in my opinion), and not who I like.
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @ManofPower I've done plenty of that. SMP is toxic and blames everything on what he considers to be "cancer" which is far from what Marvel is. What is cancerous in this case is SMP's behavior. If he won't change though, then just ignore him.
ManofPower
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @Pedrof, that's a great job, man! I'm proud of you!
@AkhilPDX I guess. Who was disrespectful first? You or him?
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) This is why I respect @Pedrof
Lazada
Lazada 1 mo 19 d
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Melkor (True Form) @ManofPower @AkhilPDX Chthon is a Cancer for Multi-Eternity
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @ManofPower SMP and I'm pretty sure anyone can support me on that.
ManofPower
ManofPower 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @Lazada what does that have to do with topic on hand?
@AkhilPDX I believe you, I've know you almost three years bro lol
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) I don't know that Akhil was ever disrespectful. Threatening maybe, but not disrespectful.
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) I threatened to mute him.
Lazada
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Melkor (True Form) @ManofPower Someone in the comments column says Cancer for Marvel, all I can think of is Chthon.
ManofPower
ManofPower 1 mo 19 d
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Oh lol, yeah SMP was saying Marvel was cancerous, trash, etc
Savage
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) @AkhilPDX As you should have, I meant that as a compliment.
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Thanos (Astral Regulator) Thanos roflstomps
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Melkor (True Form) I just made this duh

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