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DeanDinosaur6
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hela might be able to solo, she has a chance. Heimdall, Loki, Valkyrie, and Skurge won't be too much. Thor and Hulk will give her a fight.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) @MrJaeger07 Bruh?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) People fail to understand why they were "losing" in the film. In the film, they were trying to protect the Asgardians. In the film, Hela had her army (they also did though). In the film, they never fought Hela all at once.
Same with the Avengers. If the goal was just to kill all of them, easy, Hulk could do that solo. But no, the films are almost always about minimizing the damage.
In this fight, however, those things won't be a factor, meaning Team Thor can take the win.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) They were trying to protect asgard by defeating hela but when they try their best still they failed to even damage hela, and they finally realise that they can't defeat hela, even thor himself accept it. They actually fight hela with full potential, fact is fact...
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) You didn't read any of what I said did you.
Okay, Thor couldn't beat her. But HE can...
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) And "HE" is surtur not any of them...
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) That same Surtur who godstomped Hela, and who Thor feared Hulk might take out.
Also please read what I said.
hb
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) The people were safe on the ship when they released Surtur. Thor was so confident that they could not beat her that he destroyed his planet to try to take her down. He literally said there was no other way. At that point it was just Hela against all of them.
Meerrahmat
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Thor powerful than hela with storm break
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Maybe but in this fight he doesn't seem to have it.
hb
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) no he isnt
Meerrahmat
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Thor team win
Thor with strombreaker>>hela

Hulk & loki & valkyrie>>>fenris
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) No, Hela has a shot at Thor 1-v-1.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hela is still better than thor with stormbreaker.
MrJaeger07
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Without the Hela's army, team Thor takes this.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Team Thor is also missing some guys.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Hulk* vs Fenris
The rest* vs Hela
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hulk wouldn not have beaten Fenris without plot, the only reason he won is that Fenris fell off the world. Hela still beats the rest.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hela solos.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Ha no.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hela effortlessly defeats everyone on the team except Hulk, who has already been established to be weaker than Gladiator Thor. Even Thor admitted that together they still wouldn't be able to defeat Hela, which is why he told Loki to summon Surtur.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Cause it was only Thor and Valkerie vs Hela. If all of them attacked her at once they have a shot at her.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Loki was there too, and if I remember correctly, Hulk was pretty much done with Fenris.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) But he was fighting her army, and Hulk was hanging on to the Bifrost IICR.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Loki was right there. You can't turn and tell Loki to do something if Loki isn't there to do it (unless it's telepathy, but Loki was standing right there).
Okay, yes, Hulk was hanging on to the Bifrost, but still, he was done with Fenris.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Wdym
So?...I'm having trouble understanding your point.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) LOKI WAS RIGHT THERE! WHY IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I know. But what is your point?
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Even with Loki, Valkyrie, and Thor, Hela was too strong for them. Also, for the neglected Heimdall and Skurge, Skurge was already dead and Heimdall was retreating. Meanwhile, Hulk would be too busy dealing with Fenris to help out much. Also, Thor with his awakened power was unable to faze Hela, and it has already been established that he is stronger than Hulk.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Did Loki actually participate though is what I'm asking? Heimdall was getting the Asgardians to safety. If not for Hela's undead Skurge would put up a great fight against Hela. If not for the waterfall Hulk would've been up and ready to fight (he was and almost beat Surtur, who stomped Hela). He did faze Hela. Just her regen is too good. If Hulk kept smashing her into the ground, it might not do as much damage, but if he kept it up there'd be nothing she could do but die.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Loki was ready to participate if required, the whole reason he came was to help his brother fight.
Heimdall is no match for Hela, you should know that. He was even terrified by Fenris.
What makes you think Skurge would put up a great fight? Two machine guns with limited ammo?
Hulk landed one hit on Surtur. One. Hit. And that was a sucker punch. How do you know he could have beaten Surtur?
You literally stated it yourself, Hela's regen is too good. Hulk wouldn't do much before Hela recovers and defeats him.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) I thought it was required, as Hela was winning?

2) Fenris was a legendary god-killer, of course he'd be.

3)
Even Hela was impressed.

4) Exactly.
One.
Hit.

Not a sucker punch as Surtur saw it coming. Hulk could beat Surtur by knocking off his crown, similar to how Thor did this to a crippled Surtur. Hulk was almost able to knock him over entirely. Surtur was forced to use his left hand and sword to stabilize himself or he would've fallen over.

5) How will she recover when Hulk doesn't give her the chance?
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Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Hela was winning, but Thor still thought the three of them would fail.
2) Exactly, Fenris is a legendary god-killer, the only ones on team 1 that can defeat him on their own are Thor and Hulk, and that would take quite a while.
3) Skurge: HELA!!!
Hela: Oh cool, you're still here (casually one-shots him)
4) Just because Surtur was staggered doesn't mean he would lose. That was just the beginning of the battle, and yes, Surtur was unprepared. Just because you see something coming doesn't mean you're ready for what it'll bring.
5) How would Hulk get close enough to do that? Between Fenris and Hela's spikes, he would be heavily injured first.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Thor also thought Hulk would beat Surtur. What's your point? Also, add Hulk, Skurge, and Heimdall to the fight.

2) Who says Thor could beat Fenris? Also, Hulk beat Fenris before Hela could kill Thor or Valkyrie, plus she won't get her army this time.

3) She cheapshotted him. He didn't fire a single round against her. That was him vs her and her army, and in this fight she doesn't even get her army, yet he gets Team 1.

4) Um, its literally been stated by the writers that Hulk could have knocked off his crown. This doesn't mean Hulk is more powerful, however.

5) Lol Hulk healed instantly after Fenris bit him. Any injury just makes him stronger (after he got bitten, he
punched Fenris clear off of the waterfall, KO).
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Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Heimdall is kind of useless compared to the other powerhouses in this battle. Hulk, as I said, would be too busy to help out. And afterwards, it is very possible that he would be the only one left on his team by the time he's finished with Fenris, and Hela would be ready to take him out. Again:
Hela >>> Awakened Thor >>> Hulk

2) Hulk beats Fenris. Thor beats Hulk. And Hela was toying with Thor (ex. she cuts out his eye instead of killing him)

3) Are you saying that Skurge would be able to help? He really isn't that tough, he's basically a viking with two machine guns. He is probably weaker than Hogun, one of the Warriors Three, the strongest warriors of Asgard, and he also got one-shotted in a similar manner.

4) Ok then, I will drop that matter as soon as you provide the source.

5) Any injury just makes him stronger? Then how come his arm was still burnt from the Stark Gauntlet by the time he was helping to return the infinity stones at the end of Endgame? He didn't seem any stronger...
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Wth there's so many things wrong with this. First off, Hulk beat Fenris way before Hela could kill anyone. Second: Hela >>> Awakened Thor >= Hulk >= Hela

2) That logic is useless as Hela stomps Thor. Thor theoretically beats Hulk. Hulk theoretically beats Surtur. Surtur shitstomps Hela. Also, that was just Thor vs Hela. After that, Hela couldn't do anything as people kept distracting her. But anyhow, Thor wasn't bloodlusted there as he was in his Hulk fight and later when he hits her with lightning.

3) Why do you think we're even having this discussion? Actually, Hogun does better against Hela, but that's because Hela didn't cheapshot him.

4) Oh also you said Surtur didn't know "what Hulk would bring", but neither did Hulk. There are some advantages from being small fast and strong. I am acquiring the source. Hopefully I'll find it soon. Meanwhile, mind proving that "Gladiator Thor" beats Hulk?

5) Prove it was burnt.
Even if it was (?), this just solidifies my point that Prof. Hulk is weaker (and doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier). Also, thank you for reminding me. A weaker Hulk has the best feat in the entire MCU.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Hela was toying with them. I don't understand your "Hela >>> Awakened Thor >= Hulk >= Hela".
2) *sigh* Thor definitely beats Hulk in Ragnarok. The Grandmaster had to step in to prevent his champion from being stomped.
3) Hela casually one-shotted each of the Warriors Three and Skurge immediately surrendered. Why do you think that is?
4) OK, I'll wait for the source.
Thor stomping Hulk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcLmyi46VYA
He was doing remarkably well even before his awakening. After his awakening, he knocked Hulk clear off of him and Grandmaster stepped in.
5) Prove it was burnt? Prof. Hulk was in immense pain, both the gauntlet and his arm were steaming, Tony had to blast his arm with a fire extinguisher, of course it was burnt.
Also, how is that the best feat in the entire MCU?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Proof of Hela toying with them? It means that just because Hela has the means to beat Thor, and Thor Hulk, doesn't mean that Hulk can't beat Hela.

2) Um...you didn't read my comment did you?

3) Cause he was holding a mop, not Des and Troy.

4) Similar to how Thor steps in for Surtur and the fighter jet steps in for Thor?

5) Prove it was still burnt by then is what I am saying.
"How is that the best feat in the entire MCU?"

Care to provide me with a possible contender?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) You can tell from her attitude and the fact that she could have just one-shotted them with her blades like she did to the Warriors Three and Skurge. I believe I understand your comment now, but I still disagree with the result.

2) Yes, I did. Why?

3) Behold, Skurge: The only cowardly Asgardian warrior and the only Asgardian that uses machine guns.

4) ...?

5) Well, his arm was still in a brace.
Also, Thanos did the exact same thing, bare-handed the Power Stone, and defeated the Avengers Trinity in Endgame alone.
Scarlet Witch was able to hold Thanos at bay and break both his sword and his armor.
Doctor Strange turned a black hole into a bunch of butterflies without the use of any stones.
Iron Man made Thanos bleed.
Thor nearly killed Thanos with two blows.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Except Hulk's durability and healing is WAY better, and he is pretty much superior in every way, even in a calm state.

2) Read it again, and then read your answer.

3) Behold, Skurge the Executioner:
He stood alone at Gjallerbru...

4) Yes...? Or do you not catch on...?

5) Minor injury.
So? He picked them off separately. Also, Peter also held the stone. Its not that big of a feat in comparison.
Already explained Wanda's feat (anyhow its nothing compared).
Strange's feet is like pulling a rabbit out of a hat. The only reason he doesn't use stones is because he lacks the power.
Iron Man's feat is pathetic; even Thanos acknowledged that.
The stones nearly killed Thanos with ONE SNAP, and that was with a VASTLY superior gauntlet.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) All right, but you can't deny the power behind Hela's attacks. The Hulk is strong, yes, but definitely not limitless.
2) OK, yes, Thor wasn't bloodlusted. Yet he knew that Hela was far above him. And I don't think Thor was bloodlusted during his battle against Hulk. It was his first time using lightning without Mjolnir in a long time.
3) Where did you get that first scan? Looks like it's from the comics instead of the MCU.
4) I believe I understand...
5) It still looked like burnt steak.
The Avengers Trinity fought against Thanos together.
Peter Quill survived because of his Celestial bloodline and the entire Guardians of the Galaxy team helped him bear the burden, and he was still injured.
Fine, though other than Hela and Thanos, she's the only one to have destroyed a weapon that strong. Thanos used his blade to cut apart Captain America's shield already, a feat deemed impossible.
He has used the Time stone before, but during his epic fight with Thanos, he didn't (which I think is strange, but whatever).
Iron Man was still the first in the movie to ever make Thanos bleed. That's still better than Hulk.
No, he nearly died from two snaps, and before the first, Stormbreaker was deep in his chest.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) @Alien_X I updated my comment a while ago. Mind doing the same?
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Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Yep, updated. Shall we resume?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Sorry just saw this.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) The reason Thor can fight the Hulk so well is because he doesn't try to piece him. That never works.
Proof of a limit?

2) When he gets the lightning both times is when he's bloodlusted.

3) You can call him cowardly, I say legendary BAMF who headbutt-one-shots Einherjar. It doesn't change the outcome of the fight.

4) Meaning if Grandmaster stepping in for Hulk gives Thor the win, then what about those fights...?

5) I won't argue cause I don't care.
Not worthy Cap. Plus, you can't let them get feats from each other. "Say why is the trio powerful? They took on Thanos! Why is Thanos powerful? He took on the trio!"
His powers weren't unlocked.
Hulk dented vibranium, the same material as Cap's shield, (and it was more powerful, as it was a cage specifically created to contain Hulk), with his BARE HANDS mind you.
I think its Doctor Strange.
No, Thanos had no armor and was holding back. Give Hulk a sword and he would make Tony look like a mortal in a tin suit.
Who cares? Hulk has been confirmed to be stronger than Thor already, as he was the only one who could perform the snap.

Anyone else?
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) He has lost fights before. That is all the proof you need. True limitless is basically omnipotence.
2) Both times he gets the lightning he's nearly dead and sees his father.
3) Doesn't change the outcome of the fight. He still gets one-shotted.
4) Maybe, I suppose.
5) Fine. And why can't I let them get feats from each other? It sounds strange, but why not?
His powers were there, he just was unaware of them. Ego confirmed that the reason Peter survived was because of his Celestial blood.
Wait, that was Vibranium?
"I think its Doctor Strange." Yeah, I'm talking about Dr. Strange.
Hulk was defeated by the Hulkbuster, an armor that's inferior to the Bleeding Edge and Model Prime.
He stated he was the only one, but Thor offered too. Hulk nearly died from one.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) No, its not. And the only fights he lost there was something else involved in it.

2) Exactly. If Hulk just knocks him out he won't get it, GG.

3) Nope. It was a cheapshot. Playing support to the team, he'll be pretty valuable.

4) So Hulk officially beat full powered Surtur and Thor?

5) You can't take feats from each other because the power needs to come from somewhere. If they do something crazy, but quantifiable, like when Hulk and Hulkbuster made a sonic boom with their punch, then that could be a double feat.
So he didn't survive because they helped him. Plus, that still means Peter > Carol.
Yup.
😐 I was trying to be humorous. You said it was strange that he didn't use the stone.
Nope, already debunked this so called "win". Here's a summary for ya: If you think Thor looking like he is superior than Hulk is a win for Thor, even though Hulk knocked him out, than Hulk looking superior to Hulkbuster is a win for Hulk, even though he was knocked out.
Everyone, including the notorious Hulk haters, aka the Russos, admitted that Thor, who the Russos say was at his most powerful then, wasn't powerful enough to perform the snap. Bare in mind, this is an inferior Hulk. Now think about what normal Hulk can do.
No, Hulk was able to hold up millions of tons right after. Even so, this was only because the gauntlet was trash, and that he was fighting to save Nat. Fighting. The god damn. Infinity stones.
Tony ACTUALLY died, and he had a whole suit to protect him. Plus, he had a relatively simple feat, just dusting the army, while Hulk had to bring back trillions and make sure they landed in a safe spot.

Does that sum things up or...?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Hey, what did you mean "piece him"?
Limits: getting defeated by the Hulkbuster, getting defeated by Thanos and never coming back out, what more do you need?
2) Hulk was, well, hulking on Thor. How does he knock him out?
3) So you're saying that a random bald Asgardian with two mortal weapons can be relevant against the literal goddess of death?
4) Umm... no.
You say that Hulk can beat Surtur by knocking off his crown. If I recall correctly, that was the weakened Surtur that Thor fought that was defeated that way. I'm not sure if Surtur at his full power still has that weakness.
Thor was already going toe-to-toe with Hulk before his awakening. Afterwards, the Grandmaster was visibly shaken and felt compelled to intervene.

5) If you cross reference the feats they get off of each other with their former feats, then that still works.
The help still played a part, I was just saying that the Celestial bloodline was more vital. And still, no, it's Celestial Peter that's stronger than Carol. He lost his powers after Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2.
Thor was knocked out by the Grandmaster shocking him. Hulk was knocked out by the Hulkbuster.
Thanos was pretty much okay using the Stark Gauntlet, so I wouldn't say it's trash. Inferior, sure, but not trash. And Tony is human, Hulk is a hulk.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) My bad, I meant to write "pierce".
Limits: Was being mind controlled by Wanda, and was only defeated once he calmed down from seeing all the damage. Thanos used the stone. Lmfao, what does the Russos' crappy writing have to do with this? They themselves say that Hulk fears no one, and that he was sick of being the answer to the Avengers issues.
2) Using his hammer, or being angrier.
3) If you want to make fun of someone for being bald, make fun of Hela the cancer patient (and no, I don't think cancer is a joke).
4) We'll assume the same for him until you can prove that he changes other than power and size.
Thor was getting smashed before his "awakaning", and Grandmaster only did that because he's too pussy to take chances. But did you see my point? If someone interfering is a win for the guy who's "winning" so far, then...
5) Yes, but its super unreliable.
He only lost his visible powers; he's still half celestial.
Thor wasn't knocked out, he even raised his arm up so to try and shoot lightning. Hulk KO'd him.
Okay, but Hulk still (tried to do) DID way more with the gauntlet, and fought the stones, while Thanos worked with the stones, which is why they powered him up, instead of destroy him.
You actually summed that up quite well. And that's why, Hulk is the strongest Avenger.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Oh, okay... so you're saying that Thor does well is because he doesn't try stabbing? Thor doesn't even have a stabbing weapon, are you talking about his swords from their gladiator fight in Ragnarok?
Not mind-controlled, just sent over the edge. He was still defeated. I don't think I know anyone else who thinks Thanos used the stone against Hulk besides you. The fact that the stone isn't glowing should be enough. As seen numerous times throughout the MCU (mainly in IW), Infinity stones glow while being used.
2) His hammer was with Thor. He would be defeated before being able to get angrier.
3) I wasn't making fun of him, I was just stating the facts. Fine: A random Asgardian with two mortal weapons vs the literal goddess of death. Better?
4) Thor was getting multiple hits in and knocking Hulk around, dodging his attacks and stunning Hulk with some of his own. How is that getting smashed? And I don't say that's a win for Thor, I just say that he seemed like he was going to win.
5) Why is that unreliable?
Then why was he crippled by Gamora kneeing him twice?
Okay, but he was devastatingly crippled from the sneak attack.
No. The stones worked with Thanos, not the other way around. And Thanos was still weakened, which is probably why he relied on the stones after his first fight with the Asgardians and Hulk. He's just better at using the stones.
Thor isn't a human either. He's a god. Hulk is not the strongest Avenger. It's debatable in the original six because of Thor, but with the other additions like Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel, and Dr. Strange...yeah.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) No. I am making a point. Hulk only was pierced twice in the MCU: Abomination, who Hulk promptly beat after. And Fenris, who Hulk promptly one-shotted after. See the comparison I'm drawing?
He was mind controlled; re-watch the fight. After Tony collapses a sky scraper on him, he wakes up. Yup, and Thor was also still defeated. And I maintain that the Stones have passive abilities which don't glow but are always present. The glowing is for active abilities. The passives are not turned on and off or "used". They are ever-present. Thus the Stones only glow when an ability is activated. Even so, Thanos still could have activated them when it cut away from the gauntlet.
2) No, Hulk caught his hammer, and ditched it to smash Thor into submission with his bare fists. Its possible, but certainly in Avengers, or if they have the same gear (fair fight), or Thor isn't bloodlusted, then he wouldn't.
3) I was also stating the facts. And that "literal goddess of death" was KILLED by someone who Hulk possibly could've beaten, who Thor could have possibly beaten, who Loki could've possibly beaten, who Iron Man could've possibly beaten, who Cap could've possibly beaten, who Bucky could've possibly beaten, who Widow could've possibly beaten, who some random one-shot nothing could've possibly beaten. Therefore, one-shot nothing scales to Hela.
4) Once Hulk got angry, he nearly killed Thor, while Hulk was completely fine before Thor got his power-up. No injuries whatsoever. Even after the fight, Hulk was completely fine, while Thor was severely injured.
Everyone says that Thor won the fight, and I'm pretty sure you have as well.
5) Because there's no evidence that the other character can perform such feats; rather on the contrary, like how Thanos could barely lift Hulk.
Because Disney apparently thinks its "woke" for a woman to kick a man in the balls.
How is this different than the Hulk vs Hulkbuster fight?
That's what I said. And that's why Hulk's feat is way more impressive.
The Russos, the notorious Hulk haters themselves have stated that Thor, at his greatest power level, would not be able to snap the gauntlet.

Stop using statements and starts using feats. Those other three don't even compare to Hulk or Thor, with the exception of possibly Strange.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Oh, ok.
I still don't see how he was mind-controlled, I still just see a rampaging, out of control Hulk. Even after Tony drops him into a skyscraper, after a moment of confusion, he tries to get back up again to fight the military.
What do you mean passive abilities? Can you give an example? And we were on Thanos's left side as he removed Hulk's hands. The stone was pretty dull, not glowing like the fight on Titan.
Swords don't really help against the Hulk anyways.
2) In the beginning, Thor was trying to reason and was not bloodlusted, while Hulk was going for the kill.
3) You were saying I was making fun of baldness, then something about cancer. How is that stating the facts?
Loki can't beat Thor, Cap can't beat Iron Man, Widow can't beat Bucky, and not just anyone can defeat Widow.
4) Thor only got one awakened hit in. Hulk landed multiple hits. And Hulk has the healing advantage, we both know that. That doesn't mean who's more powerful (example: Black Panther > Deadpool)
5) How come you're allowed to use plot to your advantage (Gamora kneeing Quill) and I'm not (Hulk knocking back Thanos then Thanos immediately defeating Hulk)?

Okay, you want feats? Here:
Scarlet Witch: Destroyed Thanos's blade, ripped Thanos's armor, scared Thanos. Hulk hasn't done any of those.
Captain Marvel: Destroyed a Kree armada, destroyed Thanos's ship, stood up to Thanos with six infinity stones by managing to absorb their power.
Doctor Strange: He's Sorcerer Supreme. You say that Strange is possibly stronger than Hulk or Thor too.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Why would Hulk do that willingly, if he cared about others as much as you claim? Tony cheap-shotted him before he could get angry enough. Plus, why do you think we don't see Hulkbuster for the rest of the film? Cause its destroyed. All 3 of them that fought Hulk.
No, you misunderstand. A) Wearing the gauntlet powers up the user whether they're actively using it or not. B) Even is you claim otherwise, Thanos still could've actively used it when Maw was talking.
2) Prove he was going for the kill. If so, then why did he stop and gloat and take his time, as if he was just having a good time?
3) Because baldness doesn't affect your power level, so why mention it?
Except they all "scale" to each other. Just try not using titles and using feats instead. If the Goddess of Death was killed, her title doesn't mean much does it.
4) Thor got 2 hits by the way. But you just said it yourself. With someone like Hulk, it doesn't matter how well you do. You either beat him fast, or you're as good as smashed.
5) How did I use the plot to my advantage exactly? Gamora cheapshotted him in the balls. So?
Exactly. Think of a better answer as to how Thanos was losing so bad and than absolutely GODSTOMPED Hulk. Oh! I know. He used the unlimited power on his left hand. What do you think Thanos would do, just sit there and die?

Oh no. Not those feats again. Didn't we already go over those (spoiler alert: we did)?
Strange: Stronger? Hell no. More powerful? Miniscule chance. Overall power usage? Slight chance.
I'll need to see some real feats of Strange in his next movie. As of now, my opinion stands.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) He was still enraged from Scarlet Witch and the Hulkbuster. And the Hulkbuster is the HULKbuster, not the Ultronbuster. And I don't recall seeing three Hulkbusters.
Can you provide examples of the stones passively powering the user up? Just wanna make sure.
So Thanos was like "I'll just use the stones for a small moment. Oh no, the camera shifted back, better stop. Even though I'm not using the stones any more, I'm so much stronger, even though using the stones weakens you due to radiation."
2) First: Hulk has been inferred to kill every opponent before Thor in the arena. And Thor wasn't taking it seriously either. Also, he starts going for the kill around the time he starts doing the same thing he did to Loki.
3) When I use feats, you shut them down, so what's the point? (proven by 5)
4) No, I said he has the healing advantage. I also said that that doesn't mean he's more powerful.
5) You say that Quill still has the passive powers of a Celestial. So you're telling me that a non-super powered alien can two-shot a cosmic being?
By stronger I meant more powerful. And how is that a miniscule chance? Even if you're saying Thanos used the power stone, Thanos used the power, space, reality, and soul stones against Doctor Strange, and he still lasted longer than Hulk.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) No, the spell wore off and he just wanted to be left alone. Yes, but if was only useful against the Hulk, then why would Banner use it in IW? Tony keeps getting replacement parts, some off-screen.
Yes, when Thanos uses the IG, which is made to store the stones powers, you could tell that every time he adds a stone, it powers him up, specifically the power stone.
No, the stones don't weaken you if you use the IG and are going according to their will.
2) He gloats right after doing that to Loki. Also, Thor was taking it just as seriously as Hulk, if not more.
3) Because those were feats I debunked.
4) But you unknowingly confirmed it.
5) As confirmed by Ego in Gotg2, celestials have human genitals.
Thanos was holding back. If he wanted him dead, why didn't he turn him into bubbles?

What about the other points?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Banner used it in IW because since it is built to fight the Hulk, it is similar to the Hulk. Tony keeps getting replacement parts, yes, but I think that having to replace everything twice is an overstatement.
I thought that the mere contact of the stone to the gauntlet would send tendrils of energy down Thanos's body, and I think it just becomes connected to you and allows you to use their powers, not powering up the actual person. I think it weakens him because of the varying power level he demonstrates (defeating Bleeding Edge Iron Man but getting blocked by Steve Rogers).
2) Okay, but still, non-awakened Thor matching Gladiator Hulk for a considerable amount of time.
3) You just deny the idea that MCU Scarlet Witch is more powerful than MCU Hulk.
4) How does that confirm it? I don't get it.
5) Ego also confirmed that Celestials have superhuman durability.
I don't know, plot? He is visibly struggling at numerous points in the battle.

You didn't directly respond and/or debunk those points, you simply denied their credibility.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Its still vastly more powerful than any of Tony's non-nano stuits.
Maybe, but once Hulk broke his replacement drone, Tony was getting his ass kicked.
That's because he wanted to beat Tony, but was just having fun with the gauntlet. Defeating Tony was NOT a feat for Thanos, nor Tony.
He thought Cap was a mere human, so he threw a baby punch at him. Then he one-shotted him.
2) Which means nothing, as Hulk just gets stronger unless you can beat him off the bat.
3) No, I debunked them. Go back to where you originally use them.
4) It confirms it because at the end of the day, you can't beat Hulk unless their are other factors involved. His healing factor will cover him, and his anger will make up for the lack of power. I dare you to find me a fair Hulk fight in the MCU where there are no other factors involved.
5) Anyhow, she never tried to kill him. In a battle to the death, no cheapshots, fair fight, Peter beats Gamora.
Think of it like lifting weights. Thanos was just testing out his new toy. Don't blame this on the Russo's crappy writing, or I'll do the same for Thanos vs Hulk.

I did. You showed those feats in the past, and I addressed every single one of them, bar maybe a couple non-quantifiable ones that weren't a big deal anyway.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Maybe so, but Tony still hit Hulk hard enough to get him to wake up. That's not getting his ass kicked.
Okay, yeah, I guess that makes sense.
2) Yes, but Hulk can still be defeated even if time is given for him to get stronger.
3) When I mentioned those for the first time in this debate, you said "Already explained Wanda's feat (anyhow its nothing compared)". Do you mean when I mentioned that in another debate? And also, how is it nothing compared to the Hulk? Hulk didn't even dent Thanos's armor.
4) Thanos. But since you believe he used the Power stone, apparently there isn't one. I can't really give one because despite the MCU's nerfing, Hulk is still somehow stated to be the strongest one there is (also because he hasn't fought absolutely everyone, so whatever).
5) Who would win: A master assassin with a vast arsenal and being skilled in multiple martial arts, and being stated to be the most dangerous woman in the galaxy; or a bad dancer with two guns that gets all his special powers from his dad (and said powers only lasted one or two movies).
RUSSOS! YOU MUST BE FEELING VERY HAPPY WITH YOURSELVES, THIS DEBATE IS BECAUSE OF YOU!
Seriously though. Their plot holes make these debates way more difficult. Consistency would make things easier.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) And Hulk did the same to Thor.
2) Only if someone else steps in to save you, (for ex, Odin (vs Thor), replacement parts (vs Hulkbuster), fighter jet (vs Thor), Thor (vs Surtur + vs Black Widow), etc).
3) Wanda could barely overpower the stone that gave her powers, while Prof Hulk, who doesn't rise in strength, almost overpowered all six stones. That means that Hulk likely could overpower all six stones, even without the IG.
4) There are a few. Hulk vs Loki. Hulk vs Fenris. Hulk vs Abomination etc...see a common trend there?
5) That bad dancer was soloing the avengers.
Wholeheartedly agreed. In fact, I wouldn't even tried to argue if the Russos just made the original fight with Thanos not having the power stone, and maybe not try to make Hulk look so bad that it comes back to bite them in the @.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Not the same kind of wake up.
Hulk waking up: What the heck is happening right now.
Thor waking up: Okay, now I'm angry, I'm gonna get a power-up.
2) Only the examples so far. The MCU isn't over yet (I'm hoping that they will finally start being logical soon)
3) Wanda was holding back Thanos with five infinity stones with one hand and was heartbroken because of her love for Vision and the need for her to destroy him. And how does Prof. Hulk nearly overpower all six stones?
4) But there has never been a Hulk vs Dr. Strange, Hulk vs Captain Marvel, Hulk vs Odin, etc...see a common trend here?
5) How was he soloing the Avengers?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Its not Hulk's fault his daddy wasn't there to help him out. Also, Hulk was confused from the spell leaving him, which happened when the skyscraper collapsed on him. Hulk was the only one smashing Thor.
2) Yeah, like actually realizing that Scarlet Witch was enough as far as powerful females go.
The only Avengers that should be on Hulk's level: Thor, Strange, and perhaps Wanda.
3) Yeah, she was in emotional distress, not a regular scenario.
Well, he does fight for quite a while, and I'd bet Hulk would be able to angry enough from the pain to grow in power fast enough.
4) Well, as far as comics go, Hulk and all the characters he beats beats most other contestants, so until we see a fair MCU, we have to use whatever we have available, which are feats. Also, Strange with the time stone and his cape get stomped by Maw, Carol gets ragdolled by a random kree, and Odin admits that Thor is/will be more powerful than him. Not saying that he for sure beats Odin, but just throwing that out there.
5) Well, it was mainly him vs Tony's Nano-suit (which fought Thanos) and Iron Spider, and he did pretty decently.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Which shows that it isn't the same kind of wakeup.
2) What about Captain Marvel?
3) I just see him yelling in pain before snapping his fingers and falling unconscious, no actual fighting.
4) That "random Kree" was one of their best soldiers, and Carol's powers were being vastly suppressed.
5) He had the element of surprise and started the fight with one of his explosives, catching them off guard. Also, using that logic, Deadpool is more powerful than Thor and Hulk.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Yeah, but Odin had to save him. Plus Hulk was doing it all on his own, without any other factors involved. see how once Hulk gets angry, he's always destroying until some other factor comes into play?
2) Canonically, she gets one-shotted by Hulk. I see no reason why it shouldn't stay that way.
3) He tells Cap after that he "really tried to bring Nat back". He fought for a good minute before giving in.
4) That Kree has zero feats.
5) Never said he was more powerful now, did I?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Odin didn't save him, Thor was simply nearing the afterlife. Hulk was woken up from the beating from the Hulkbuster and the skyscraper falling on him.
2) Why?
3) He fought for an instant, at most.
4) https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Yon-Rogg
5) Still, he had an unfair advantage.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) He only would get those powerups when he got a vision from Odin.
So, that's anti-feat of Wanda's weak mind control powers.
2) Exactly what I told Feige.
3) It was nearly a minute. He's too smart too fight for longer than that.
4) Oh I'm not talking about that featless guy. I'm talking about that rando one-shot Kree who totally ragdolls her ass while not even trying (she thinks he's the bad guy, while he doesn't think vise versa).
5) Okay, but did he really? He had vastly inferior gear, plus he is "just a regular human".
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Okay, our depictions of the scenes are different.
Hulk only woke up after getting battered by the Hulkbuster and dropped through a skyscraper, which later crashed onto him. Wanda also managed to take over each and every of the other Avengers too (except Hawkeye. It would be mean for him to be mind-controlled in both Avengers movies)
2) Who's Feige?
3) Most of that minute was just him screaming in pain trying to adjust to the stones. He actually starts lifting his arm to snap more than half a minute after he puts the gauntlet on.
4) Which one? This one? https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Minn-Erva
5) He got the element of surprise. That's still an advantage.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Okay. But now that I think about it, Hulk wasn't the only guy who had an old dude cheat for him.
Wanda also lost her mind control powers after using them on Hulk, which is somewhat canon as he is known to be difficult to mind control. Also yeah, Hawkeye defeats her. Can Hawkeye defeat Hulk?
2) Kevin Feige...do you seriously not know who that bastard is? Current CEO of Marvel?
3) Because he's trying to snap Nat in. He says it himself dude. And who says he was screaming in physical pain? Or pain at all for that matter?
4) No, some unnamed green average joe Kree. She gets the element of surprise, yet he knocks her flat on her arse by just standing still. See here's the thing with Hulk (in the MCU especially): His weakest forms beat other characters weakest forms, while his strongest beat their strongest as well. Sometimes however, some variations in between he could lose.
5) That's like saying that me attacking Tony by surprise is unfair. Also, Tony's suit usually warns him before these things happen, doesn't it?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) What do you mean by that phrase?
A: He's not the only guy, as in, there are others.
B: He's not the guy, as in, the only guy is someone else.
The Hawkeye thing was just an extra note. No, he does not beat Hulk.
2) Oh, that Feige...what do you mean "Exactly what I told Feige"?
3) Then why was he screaming? This isn't Dragon Ball Z.
4) Are you sure Captain Marvel didn't have her powers heavily suppressed?
5) You're not Star-Lord. Sure, he doesn't have any superhuman abilities, but he's still an experienced fighter and marksman with a fair arsenal and space equipment. And that example is like saying you can casually escape a flaming building if the fire alarm goes off.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) There is Thor. Also, you said you interpret it differently. You think that he was nearing Valhalla, meaning Hulk nearly killed him?
Hawkeye one shot her even when she used the element of surprise. That's a clear win and a show of dominance by our pal Legolas.
2) Why?
3) Its funny you say that, because that's almost exactly what Hulk is.
4) Its possible, although there's no telling how suppressed. Kinda like Prof. Hulk.
But the main factor is that those things on her hands should've helped her, as she was trying to use brute force. What was suppressed was her overall power (her blasts really) if anything, which means her brute strength stays at approximately street level.
5) An average Iron Man suit MCU >>> (physically) Me and Nano and Iron Spider >>> Peter (physically)
And I'm pretty sure I would escape that building.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 1) Kind of, yeah.
LOL
2) What do you mean by that?
3) So you're saying he's trying to turn Super Saiyan?
4) Her brute strength was definably suppressed as well. She stopped Thanos from closing his fist, which is something even multiple Dr. Stranges were unable to do. She also staggered Thanos a bit with her punches.
5) How are you physically on the same level of Iron Spider?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1) Okay, I could see that.
2) I was saying how I was wondering why Feige made several statements and attempts at making Carol the most powerful character (yup, you read that right; more powerful than Dormammu or a full gauntlet Thanos) in the entire MCU (jk It's obvious he did it for the money). What did you mean when YOU asked why?
3) No, I'm saying that Goku is trying to Hulk out.
4) She could only stop Thanos once she absorbed the stones powers, plus IICR she used both hands.
Strange likely couldn't because Thanos had the power stone, and no one was draining it of its power.
Staggering Thanos is decent at best; Peter Parker also did.
Hulk on the other hand staggered Surtur for Goddamn's sake.
5) How'd you come to THAT conclusion?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: A non-Nano Iron Man suit, is about as superior to me physically as a Nano and Iron spider suit are to Peter.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 2) I was asking why Carol gets canonically one-shotted by Hulk.
4) Both hands, but one at a time. And that part was before she made contact with the stones. And Parker's strength is beyond street level already.
5) Oh, okay. That makes so much more sense.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 2) Idk maybe
4) Yes but she used her flying momentum. But regardless its a mid-tier feat at best.
Okay, but that specific feat of Spidey is not much above street level.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 2) First of all, that's the comics. And in the MCU, Captain Marvel is barely nerfed at all, while the Hulk is vastly nerfed.
4) Spidey used the momentum of his web slings and Doctor Strange's portals prevented any momentum to be lost. And the MCU Spidey managed to lift several building stories of rubble.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 2) You asked why Carol is vastly inferior to Hulk according to canon, and I showed you why.
Anyhow, the best anti-feat you could bring me is Thanos beating Hulk while possibly using the power stone.
I brought you Carol being stopped short by an average Kree soldier.
For the best feat, I brought a weaker version of Hulk fighting all six infinity stones, and then snapping trillions upon trillions back into existence in the perfect place, and then being bombed and still holding up hundreds of millions of tons of rubble with one arm.
What did you bring me again?
4) So? Hulk still one-shots either of them. That's the underlying point here.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) 2) Oh, by canon you meant in the comics.
You brought me a vastly suppressed Captain Marvel being stopped short by a Kree soldier. And Hulk needed the help of five other heroes to stop an invasion from some beastly aliens. Captain Marvel stopped one from one of the galaxy's greatest militaries all by herself.
4) In the comics? Pretty much, yeah.
In the movies? Probably not Carol.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 2) Yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Prove that she was "vastly suppressed". And that Hulk statement is a general statement, which means nothing. Hulk could've done it all by himself, but there would have been an insane number of casualties (due to the aliens, not him). That Carol "feat" is also a general statement. And yes, being more powerful doesn't always mean that you're the best hero for every situation. Why do you think Widow/Hawkeye are even a thing?
4) Agreed.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) While suppressed, she was taken captive by a few Skrulls and was knocked down by one Kree soldier.
Without being suppressed, she managed to take out an entire fleet of Kree ships and keep up with a hyperspeed ship.
What do you mean a general statement?
That still proves Carol did a better job, as she defeated most of the Kree before they could even make it to the ground.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I have so many things to say to counter that but I realized that this can be summed up without using any words whatsoever
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) I don't get it.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) If I have to explain the best scene in the MCU to you then it will no longer be the best scene in the MCU.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) I mean, I understand the scene itself, but how is that scene of the original six in the Battle of New York going to help this debate?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) You do? Then what's so special about this scene?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) The Avengers are uniting together for the first time to face a common enemy.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So? Why aren't they all just Hulk or Thor? Aren't they so much more powerful that the others aren't even needed?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) What are you trying to prove? Because I agree that power isn't everything.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Why though? If I claim that Hulk could beat any Avenger, does that mean the rest are useless, and that he could do everything that they could?
That would be dumb. A huge reason I like the Hulk is that he could be so powerful, yet it won't help in most situations, on the contrary actually.
So you see what I'm saying in regards to your statements about Carol's productivity?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Yes, yes, you're saying that just because Carol is more efficient doesn't mean she's more powerful, I got it, different problems require different solutions.
But still. Power may not be everything, but it's still a big factor. You didn't see Hawkeye defeating a Leviathan or Black Widow stomping Loki.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) But we did see Iron Man defeating (a) Leviathan(s), and Black Widow tricking the God of trickery (!!! I thought the title "goddess of death" actually meant something) and stopping the portal (yes, she used a stone, but so do others and we just like to ignore that).
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Iron Man is no weakling, he held his own against Thor earlier in that movie. And trickery doesn't equal power. And are you still salty about there being no proof of Thanos using the stone against Hulk?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Loki also held his own against Thor, while Hulk stomped both. But you're still missing the point. Iron Man doesn't use raw power, which is what he tried at first. His raw power wasn't enough.
Trickery doesn't equal power, but the title "god" means nothing if you can get zapped by electricity (Thor), killed (Hela and Odin), or tricked more than once (Loki). Now if you say that Hulk couldn't trick Loki, does that mean Black Widow loses to him?
I'm not "salty", but just so you know there's more proof that he did use it than he did not. Lets say you see me lift a couple hundred tons and I might have used the power stone, yet you don't know for sure. What would you say? That there's "no proof"? Now multiply that by a few thousand and that's the situation that we're dealing with.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) I know, raw power doesn't automatically mean winning. And I thought we were going to drop whether Thanos used the stone or not.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) In a one on one fight, it almost always does though.
We were, but I just thought you might need a little reminder that there's weighty (pun intended) "proof of Thanos using the stone against Hulk". Just thought that I'd weigh (okay I'll stop) in on that point.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Not necessarily. For example, Black Panther vs Iron Man or MCU Spiderman vs MCU Captain America.
-_- But still, since there is no true evidence, we should just drop it until it is confirmed.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) What do those battles mean? There were never even proper fights between those characters so what is this proving?
Agreed for the most part, but who must confirm it. Kirby? Another movie?
Also, dropping it means voting for Hulk against Thanos (MCU).
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Those battles are examples where skill beats power.
Iron Man is by far more powerful than Black Panther. Faster, stronger, and more gadgets and weaponry, as well as many more abilities, it would seem that Iron Man would win. However, Black Panther is more skilled and defeated Iron Man.
Even in the MCU, Spider-Man is more powerful than Captain America, but he still lost because of Cap's superior experience and skill.
Yeah, something like that.
No, dropping it means leaving my vote unchanged until there is true evidence.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Well this is strictly MCU. Plus, that may work for a character you can slowly take down. Not Hulk.
Loki is far more skilled than Hulk. Your point?
But now with Stan Lee gone, I don't really see many feasible ways this would happen.
You only voted based on Hulk vs Thanos. Which now is contested. Which means we go by feats. Which Hulk takes with ease.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Someone having more power still doesn't necessarily mean they would win.
Thanos defeated Fat Thor, Model Prime Iron Man and Worthy Cap. Hulk couldn't even defeat awakened Thor by himself. It's even arguable if he can beat Pre-Ragnarok Thor.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Not always. So does that mean I could beat the Hulk, because I could do a math problem which he can't?
And Thor couldn't defeat Hulk by himself. He needed Odin, and still, even then he might not have defeated him.
Not really. He stomped him even though Thor had multiple unfair advantages, before the jet saved him, and then he stomped the jet too for its troubles.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Not in that sense. Skill, not intelligence. And I said "not necessarily", not "LOL nope"
I said AWAKENED Thor. The Thor you're talking about is pre-awakened. And yes, while we unfortunately weren't able to see the end of that fight (I'm looking at you, Grandmaster. You ruined it!), the power gap between the two was immediately apparent.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So if I could beat him in beer pong? My point is that Hulk beats Carol.
Nope, you said "Pre-Ragnarok" Thor, who Hulk stomped, even though he had multiple unfair disadvantages.
And although I was mad at him as well, don't be so quick to blame Grandmaster for this one. Odin was the one who cheated first. Without Odin's boost, the power gap between the two was apparent.
Verdict: With no cheating, Hulk wins. With both sides cheating, Hulk wins.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) No. Not only is Carol more skilled, but she is also faster and arguably stronger, not to mention her energy attacks and flight.
I said "Thanos defeated Fat Thor, Model Prime Iron Man and Worthy Cap. Hulk couldn't even defeat awakened Thor by himself."
That boost wasn't from Odin, it was from within Thor himself.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) What the hell bro? We already went over this. You couldn't give me a single worthy feat. Who was the strongest person she beat 1-on-1?
No, go scroll up to your third to last comment here.
Prove it. Prove why it only happens when Odin is there.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) The Supreme Intelligence, the omnipresent leader of the Kree, one of the greatest militaries in the universe. As well as going toe-to-toe with Thanos. She also takes out the entire Starforce by herself.
Oh, that's what you meant. Sorry for the confusion.
If anything, Odin is the reason he didn't summon those powers by himself earlier. In the first Thor movie, Odin bound Thor's powers to Mjolnir. Afterwards, when he nears Valhalla, he sees Odin (though that doesn't truly trigger the awakening. That was a psychological transformation and him tapping into his inner potential). Do you only think it's because of Odin because of their connection as family?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Quantify that. Or just Quantify getting pimp slapped by a crippled Thanos.
No biggie.
I still don't see how Odin didn't give him those temporary powerups (yes temporary, they wore off a second later).
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) The Supreme Intelligence has complete control over its own realm and is basically invincible from a mental standpoint, yet Captain Marvel overpowered her and the device that was suppressing her. This at least should be a willpower feat.
Well I still don't see how Odin did.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Okay, yet there is nothing to compare. From overall quantifiable/comparable feats Hulk smashes.
Why was here there when Thor would receive the powerups? Why would they go away after? Its like Thanos "just happens" to have the power stone. If its the best explanation, we go with it. Its as simple as that.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Like I said, for those scenes we just depict them differently. I depict the first time as a hallucination and the second time as him unlocking his full potential after a pep talk from Odin.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) The second one can't be a pep talk if the first was a hallucination.
Then I could just say that I interpret the scene where Grandmaster presses the button as pressing Hulk's button, yet Hulk resists it so it goes to Thor instead. Fair's fair.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Does Hulk even have a button?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I don't think so; I think he went willingly. Not sure if it would do much anyway (it wouldn't).
But regardless, barring all scenes that are too difficult to understand what's actually happening, Hulk wins against all.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Yeah, still disagree. Both Thor and Captain Marvel at least have fair chances against Hulk, and they can both probably win.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I'm still failing to understand your logic.
Evidence of Hulk's power > evidence of Thor and Carol's

your logic: thor and carol > Hulk
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Both of them stood up to Thanos with a full infinity gauntlet. Don't give me that "crippled Thanos" excuse. I don't really remember anything in those fights that could cripple Thanos significantly.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Um, snapping twice!!!??? Both fought a Thanos HOLDING BACK TREMENDOUSLY
If he wanted them dead he would have turned them to bubbles. PERIOD.
I don't want this "standing up to Thanos" garbage. Cap did as well; got his ass kicked as well. Your point?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Thanos didn't snap yet in either battle. And I still don't have any solid proof of Thanos holding back, as he was struggling in both.
#PlotArmor. Makes things so much more complicated.
Cap barely did anything. Thor nearly killed him and Carol pushed him to the ground.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I'll give you valid evidence. All you need in fact.

See Carol's first fight with Thanos, gg

Carol down, Thor to go. Ima play some Warzone and be back.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) @Alien_X We done here?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Nah.
Carol jumped back up immediately and staggered Thanos, pushing him to his knees. The only other ones that did so were Hulk (Thanos only had one stone), Thor, Doctor Strange, and Scarlet Witch.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Good, I enjoy debating you (for the most part haha).
But what about their first fight is what I'm pointing out to you.
You know...the one where Thanos' arm is useless...got no stone...is immensely crippled...feels fulfilled, barely fighting, while Carol over here states that she is going to kill him, cheapshots him, and still is losing before Banner and Rhode and the rest show up.
That scene alone is the greatest proof that Carol absorbed the stones because later, she does way better when HE is bloodlusted, in decent shape, and has a full gauntlet.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) How is she losing in that scene?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Because she cheapshots him, is bloodlusted and going for the kill, while he is barely even trying. He won. He didn't care anymore. Plus, if Carol had this, why did the others instantly swarm him?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) He didn't win. The others swarmed him because of their need for vengeance, or just because they didn't know what they would get, so they just swarmed him? I don't know, but just because the others swarmed him didn't mean Carol didn't have it.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Call it however you want. My point is that it doesn't make sense that Carol does better against a near infinity times more powerful Thanos.

And why would he even bother fighting when he already won (trick question, he didn't)?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Which is why I didn't understand why you think Carol was losing.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Exactly. Except this just puts her at Hulkbuster level, as Banner nearly knocked out Thanos.
And as we established before Hulk > Hulkbuster.

On to Thor.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) In Endgame, Banner just knocked Thanos down. And I don't remember establishing that Hulk > Hulkbuster in the MCU, only Hulk = Hulkbuster maybe.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Exactly. He did at least as well against Thanos as Carol.
Oh my. We went over this do we really have to go in circles?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Banner was visibly angry, so we can assume he wasn't holding back very much. We don't know how much power Carol was using though.
Well, it seems clear that neither of us is backing down soon, so do we call it a draw and move on? Or do you want to keep going? I'm honestly okay with either.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Yes, we do! Carol said that she "was going to kill Thanos", meaning that its clear she was going all out. Banner on the other hand was disgusted when Rhode suggested that they should go back in time to kill Thanos. Also, Banner would be the Hulk if he was using all his power.
Well, it depends. You brought up a lot of points, some of them being pretty decent, though basically all of them we'd end inconclusively, yet leaning in my favor. But here we go.

If you think Hulkbuster = Hulk, prove to me how Thor > Hulk, as Hulk knocked him out.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) We have learned that we cannot take everything the characters say as truths, and we have learned that we depict different scenes differently, so it's not really "clear". And I said that BANNER wasn't holding back much, but the HULK was (he never appeared again after the beginning of Infinity War). And of course you would be disgusted by killing a poor helpless little baby!

Not only is Thor obviously superior in skill, experience, speed, and abilities (having lightning manipulation and whatnot), but they have shown to be equals in strength on many occasions.

In the first Avengers Movie, Thor and Hulk went toe-to-toe, until Thor pulled out Mjolnir and knocked Hulk back with a devastating blow, and then Hulk tried lifting Mjolnir, and finally, the fight unfortunately ended when Hulk got distracted by a fighter jet. I don't care what you say about that, but to me, that was a close fight. Thor was holding his own pretty well, and remember, this was back before he unlocked his latent abilities and relied on his hammer for his powers.

The second time they fought, in Thor: Ragnarok, Thor started out not wanting to hurt Hulk and wanting to calm him down. Even further into the fight, Thor still was trying to get Banner out. And even before his awakening, the Grandmaster was already looking pretty nervous. And after the awakening, it only took two hits to convince the Grandmaster that this was over and he needed to step in.
Also, if we're talking about current versions, Thor would have Stormbreaker, securing his win even more.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Prove to me she wasn't going for the kill. She literally said so; don't be like that.
Who says Titan's are helpless as a baby?
You're saying you wouldn't kill baby Hitler? What about all the helpless babies which they kill?

Obviously how??? Prove it. Give me some nice, raw, feats. How were they shown to have equal strength?

Hulk was one-shotting Thor until he brought out Mjolnir; its all he has against him. Thor hit him with all his force and Hulk just shook it off, proving that Thor is not strong enough to knock out Hulk before he gets angrier. The fighter jet saved him. The last thing we see if Hulk throwing a Thor's limp body. If Thor had this, how come they sent the fighter jet?

Actually, Odin was the nervous one and cheated by giving him a boost first, just like in his fight vs Hela or Thanos.
A weapon shouldn't be the factor making someone win. Regardless, current versions Thor CANNOT win, as the notorious Hulk-hating Russos have already stated that Hulk is stronger than Thor. All Hulk has to do is grab Stormbreaker like Thanos and chop him in half; hiding behind a weapon only hurts him in the long run.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) 1.737 billion tons
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That "poor helpless baby" part wasn't meant to be taken seriously. But still, killing a baby simply seems wrong, even if that baby grows up to be bad, at the time, they're just a baby (Professor Hulk says "that's horrible." Yes, it is).

In skill and experience, Thor should pretty obviously be superior. He is an Asgardian warrior with hundreds, or possibly thousands of years of experience. Hulk is a raging brute with only 10 years of experience.
Even without the Bifrost, Thor has been shown to be able to fly at incredible speeds, while Black Widow managed to stay ahead of a raging Hulk. His combat speed and reflexes are shown to be superior too, in Thor: Ragnarok.

Feats don't equal strength. Beerus has no feat above Universal level, but that doesn't mean he's only Universe tier. But very well:
Thor 1: Creates massive shockwaves, knocks frost giants flying multiple times, throws Mjolnir through multiple enemies
Avengers 1: Backhands Iron Man like a pimp, creates a massive shockwave when hitting Captain America's shield, even though Vibranium should be able to absorb impact (script says about one mile radius); shakes the entire Helicarrier when in the cell
Age of Ultron: Destroys Sokovia by himself
Infinity War: Survives both the Asgardian ship exploding (with him in it) and the force of the neutron star that forged Stormbreaker.
Endgame: As Fat Thor (who I believe is physically weaker than Ragnarok and Infinity War Thor because of his feats and because he's fat and has been doing nothing but drinking and playing video games for 5 years), he slightly overpowered Thanos in two occasions at least and caused Thanos to struggle when he was driving Stormbreaker into Thor's chest (even though Thanos has the advantage in leverage and mass). And we don't know if Thanos used the Power Stone to utterly stomp Hulk, but just bringing it up since Fat Thor seemed to do better. (Also, I've got a new hypothesis, more on that later).

That's not one-shotting, he took a hit and smiled about it.

Again, we depict that scene differently, so why even bother bring it up if you know I'm not going to accept that? While it's unclear whether Odin gave a boost to Thor (again, I believe he's just tapping into his latent potential), it's very clear that the Grandmaster gave an advantage to Hulk (zapping him then smiling).
Why not? I can say that Thor > Superman > Unworthy Thor because Mjolnir gives Thor the advantage. Is that bad?
What do you mean by the 1.737 billion tons?

Okay, here's my new hypothesis about how the Hulk managed to knock Thanos back so far then got so utterly stomped: Thanos was testing the Hulk. He wanted to honorably see Hulk's power, and then after studying his opponent out of curiosity, he decided he wanted to end it now.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Exactly; Banner doesn't want to kill Thanos.

This is simply untrue, as Hulk lands more hits on Thor then vice versa.

Thanos was smiling when driving Stormbreaker into Thor's chest, mind you this is the most powerful Thor, who the Russos have outright stated to be weaker than Hulk.
Hulk did destroyed Loki, while Loki fought on par with Thor.
All of those feats could have been accomplished by someone like Captain America.

Because you brought it up first. They both got an advantage, but without either advantage Hulk was about to kill him (according to you), and with both of them having advantages Hulk still KO'd him.
That's how much force it takes to do what Hulk did to Surtur. Can you give me a Thor feat that even comes close to this (the only one I could think of is the star feat and it still doesn't compare)?

That could be, although mine still makes more sense if you pay attention closely during the fight.
It could be this AND he used the stone as well.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Thor is shown to be much more nimble than Hulk (dodging many of the attacks and landing almost all of his own, the only blow that didn't connect was one hammer attack. I'm not counting the swords because Thor was holding back).

Apparently the Russos need to be more consistent... and when did they say he was weaker? If it's the Nano-Gauntlet, that's only durability.
Can Captain America destroy a country? Can he knock around Iron Man? Can he survive a spaceship exploding in his face?

The Grandmaster KO'd Thor, Hulk just put in a big finish. Thor was helpless after the Grandmaster.
Here are some more feats: Destroyed the Bifrost in just a few blows (damage required an Infinity Stone to repair), one-shotted the Kronan champion during the battle of Vanaheim, defeated a Frost Beast, destroyed a Leviathan, defeated Surtur (sure, he wasn't at his peak, but he was still very powerful), defeated Malekith while he was using the Reality Stone, tanked the destruction of Sokovia, survived the vacuum of space until he was found by the Guardians of the Galaxy, and mortally wounded Thanos (sure, this could also be a Stormbreaker feat, but still).

SOMEONE CONFIRM THIS ALREADY!!! Seriously though, that would make this debate so much simpler.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) That's mainly because he was a smaller target. Plus, his attacks in general did nothing compared to Hulk's, who just took most of his punches like nothing.

https://webbedmedia.com/2019/04/30/joe-russo-answers-spoiler-filled-questions-about-avengers-endgame-plot/ They say strong enough. Mind you, Star-Lord is put in the same category as Carol.
Now you might say that they just said "Thor in this movie", but they already said that this is the most powerful Thor yet, so that was just a slip-up I guess.
They clearly say strength. The gauntlet is just too much for anyone short of Hulk or Thanos.
Can he destroy a country? No, but Hulk can. Can he knock around Iron Man? Both Cap and Loki can, and stronger suits as well. Hulk can shred multiple Hulkbusters like paper even with plenty of disadvantages, and Hulkbuster is VASTLY more powerful than the suit that fought Thor. We don't know, but the other stuff yeah. They both got one-shotted by Thanos though.

Thor lifted up his hand to shoot lightning. Regardless if neither cheated than Hulk takes the win. Either way he does.
Those are all great feats; they put him around Thanos' level, right under "base" Hulk (one-shotted the leviathan in "base form").

I don't see this happening ever. I wish though. I'd settle for Maestro vs Thanos however.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That's because he managed to barehand the Power Stone, and that was before Ego died and he lost his celestial powers.
How can Cap knock around Iron Man? And he shredded two Hulkbusters, that's not as much as you say, and it was not like paper, the Hulkbuster was still going toe-to-toe with the Hulk. And I'm not sure what you mean by "We don't know, but the other stuff yeah. They both got one-shotted by Thanos though." Are you talking about the feats I gave?

I thought he lifted his hand as a feeble attempt to block.
-_- The Grandmaster basically won that for him.
How is Thanos below base Hulk?

Agreed.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) He only lost the powers which he didn't discover at that point anyway, but regardless the Russos confirmed that nobody besides for Hulk or Thanos is powerful enough to use the gauntlet and survive.
He fights him pretty well in Civil War. Hulkbuster was made by two geniuses, specifically to fight Hulk, of course it could go toe-to-toe with Hulk. We don't know if Cap could do any of that, but the other feats like defeating one-shot nothings yeah, Cap could do that. But they both get one-shotted by Thanos in both IW and Endgame.

Its possible.
And if he didn't, it would be Odin winning it for Thor.
Because base Hulk and Prof. Hulk (who is weaker than Hulk) both have better feats than Thanos. Thanos struggles to lift a half ton, while Hulk consistently lifts millions, if not billions of tons without breaking a sweat.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) He had help from Bucky, and it still was a close fight. Meanwhile, Thor breaks his armor without much effort then knocks him away when Cap interferes.
What do you mean by one-shot nothings? Frost giants warred with Asgard for over a thousand years, if that's what you meant.

Again, that wasn't Odin. Thor simply found his inner power.
Yeah, the scene where Thanos grunts while lifting the Hulk is weird. Now I blame it on bad acting.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Hulk breaks Hulkbuster faster then Thor could do to one of Tony's weakest suits. Not saying Thor doesn't wreck Iron Man, but Hulkbuster is a different story.
And random Asgardians could take them. Do they have any noteworthy feats that I am forgetting?

We don't know for sure though. Why else would Odin always be there when Thor "finds his inner power"? How come Thor powers down afterwards, and can only use it when Odin shows up?
The part that comes right before that is even weirder.
Well, then I blame Hulk's loss on bad acting.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That suit really wasn't that weak, as it could still stand up to a Leviathan.
Asgardians are far superior to humans in general, if you've forgotten. While they may seem like one-shot nothings to powerhouses like Thor, it's all relative.
He powers down because a) He's incapacitated or b) It's no longer needed. Perhaps Odin is there because of their relationship as family and it symbolizes something, but there really isn't much reason to believe Odin directly powers up Thor for a short amount of time. Thor powers up afterwards in IW and Endgame numerous times by himself too.
No, I mean I blame it on bad acting since he knocks around Hulk pretty easily then struggles to pick him up moments after, not because of the overall outcome of the fight.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) IICR he already upgraded to the other suit, which was WAY stronger, because before he couldn't do sh*t to the Leviathans.
So? Hulk beating Fenris and nearly one-shotting Surtur >>> those Thor feats
Was it no longer needed when he was fighting Thanos for the first time (among other times)? Symbolizes something??
There's actually plenty of reason to believe that.
How do you know that's by himself? It makes very sense that Odin appeared then, when he gets bloodlusted.
No, just stop with the bad acting sh*t, I'll blame Hulk's loss on bad writing then.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That wasn't the first time, as he was already battered badly by Thanos. The fight likely went on off-screen and even his awakened form couldn't beat Thanos. Afterwards, he was so damaged that he couldn't access that power anymore, similar to how Vegeta lost the ability to transform during his last stand against Jiren during the Tournament of Power. And yes, the vision of Odin could simply be symbolism of his potential.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Except if he could overpower Thanos with a full gauntlet, why can't he overpower him with only the power stone?
A symbolism? He SPEAKS to him.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) It's just a theory, and why would the speaking disprove that? It could just be his subconsciousness. Not that I'm going to use this theory forever to explain everything, but it shouldn't completely be counted out.
He had Stormbreaker when fighting Thanos with a full gauntlet, as well as bloodlust and a desire for vengeance.
Those are just fan theories, much like some of our own. One of the users there also states that the Odin Force in the MCU has many unknown qualities and we don't know if it can be passed on.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Okay, but you can't expect me to consider that accurate if you don't consider my theories, which have WAY more evidence, accurate.
So those feats don't count in a normal fight. Gotcha.
Agreed.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) I do consider your theories, I just don't take them as truths because of my own beliefs.
Well, that depends on the equipment and overall circumstances. For example, awakened Thor without any weapons instead of bloodlusted awakened Thor with Stormbreaker.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Fair, but if mine have more evidence then its just personal bias or a pre-conceived notion which is forming your belief.
Heroes are never bloodlusted in a fight. Meaning Thor, Wanda, and possibly Carol and others like Thanos can't use those respective feats.
But hold up. If Thor can't awaken his potential while being injured, how come that's the only time we see him do it (fighting Hulk, fighting Hela, IW, etc.)? I guess this shows its truly Odin's doing after all huh.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) In these battles, we assume everyone is going all out.
No, I mean he was incapacitated, which has happened before (tasered by the Grandmaster).
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So that means multiply Hulk's strength by a lot. Plus, is killing John Wick's dog before the fight fair?
"which has happened before" Smashed by Hulk?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) In the case of guys like Hulk (other include Doomsday and Red Hulk), I start him off at base and then let him grow in power, or else it would be pretty much instant win.
You have to kill John Wick's dog to get him to not hold back?
Also, we see Thor awaken his potential on multiple occasions afterwards without being injured or seeing/talking to Odin in IW and Endgame.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Well my point is, its not fair if you use bloodlusted feats from a certain scenario, because in an average fight Thanos didn't kill their loved ones.
Exactly. I never claimed he had to be injured. YOU claimed he had to NOT be injured, which is clearly false. How do you know who Thor sees in his head?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) True. But these battles aren't average fights, these are comparisons of power, intellect, and skill, and who would win in an all-out battle. And I didn't claim he had to not be injured, it just seems to be an on-off switch (on: Hulk, Hela; off: Grandmaster, Thanos).
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So? Where are you getting at?
You claimed it here: "Afterwards, he was so damaged that he couldn't access that power anymore, similar to how Vegeta lost the ability to transform during his last stand against Jiren during the Tournament of Power."
And if it was and "switch", then why did he use it later when he needed it?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) This is hard, but I think there are three explanations for the "damage for the trigger" or "too damaged to transform" problem.

#1: Inconsistency.
#2: Similar to the Super Saiyan transformations from Dragon Ball, perhaps the pain and damage is a trigger, but it can also undo the transformation. For example, the rage/pressure/damage activates it, but too much damage will not allow the user to sustain the form.
#3: Maybe it's the "too much of a good thing" idea (similar to #2). One amount of damage triggers the awakening, but too much will knock the user out of it.

Yes, I know the ideas above are far-fetched, but blame the writers, not me (seriously, God of Thunder getting tazed? Who wrote this?).
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) I agree, but why be so far fetched when you could just take the most obvious answer?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) And what would that be? Thor being all like "I'm losing, help me daddy"? That seems as far-fetched as the theories above to me.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Except he does exactly that in his fight against Hela so...is it?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) My point is, Odin is most likely NOT giving Thor extra power. Thor is the god of thunder, and he has had that power inside of him since forever. He just needed a way to awaken that power, and in the times of desperation during the movie, he finally did.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) It was specific storylines which did it, along with Odin. Who's to say Thor won't be depressed in his fight? Who's to say he gets Stormbreaker? Who's to say he gets armor? Regardless, I'm still waiting on you for a feat that outclasses Hulk.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Well, those conditions depend on the version of Thor we're talking about (Unworthy, Pre-Ragnarok, Post-Ragnarok, Gladiator, Fat, etc.). Or, if you want to specify, that's what battle variations are for.
First: Hulk is supposed to have the best feats, despite the MCU version's many flaws, he's still somehow "the strongest one there is".
BTW, here are some more Thor feats: Effortlessly breaks 10+ of Surtur's chains in a constricted position, (a fire dragon at full power struggled to break out of one chain for about a minute and a half, and this dragon effortlessly breaks through tons of rock/stone, causing earthquakes, similar to Professor Hulk's "lift the Avengers Mansion with one arm" feat, and this was Pre-Ragnarok), reigniting the forges of Nidavellir (I've mentioned this before, but still. He spins around Rocket's ship with ease, then throws the ship and easily places his arm and then feet into the ground, tearing massive amounts of metal, then stops the momentum of the swinging of Rocket's ship, breaks the ice, reignites the star, then holds the forge open for an extended period of time while bearing the full force of the star, and note that the forge is absolutely massive, with the star (around the size of a moon), making Rocket's ship miniscule and the rings around it dwarfing the star. The force required to move these rings would be incredible, quite possibly more than Hulk's feats), breaks out of a container designed to contain the Hulk, breaks the Bifrost (I've talked about this one too, but I wanted to revisit this one too. The Bifrost took blows from Dark Elf ships crashing into it, and the Dark Elf ships can casually destroy pillars, statues, other aircrafts, buildings, etc.), one-shotting a small shield created by Hela (happens when he and Loki are escaping to Asgard via the Bifrost, if you watch it in slow-mo, when Hela catches up to Thor and they fight, she generates a small shield, which is then immediately shattered by Thor), consistently hits hard enough to hurt the Hulk (Hulk has shrugged off hits from the Hulkbuster, which matched his own striking strength), takes slices and stabs from Hela's weapons (these also pierced straight through Skurge's armor easily, and that was confirmed to be Uru below), etc.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Well why is the default Thor the one with Stormbreaker? I think the default should be the one from avengers, as THAT one has Mjolnir, drawing a parallel from the comics.
What I mean is, when someone says that Thor is more powerful than Hulk, they are saying that Thor beats him WITHOUT his hammer, in a fair fight, no advantages. The specification should be Strombreaker, or even Mjolnir for that matter. Otherwise, what's to stop me from saying that the default of Prof Hulk should have the Infinity Stones? Would that make him the most powerful being in the MCU without a doubt then?
1st) Exactly; you can't outclass the f**king strongest there is. And the most durable there is. And the most powerful there is. And the best there is.
Nothing close to Hulk's feats.
His hits only hurt Hulk when he uses a weapon, and even then not always. Hulk's light taps consistently send him flying like a ragdoll.
I don't recall how many tons of force the that feats required to make Stormbreaker were, which was probably Thor's best feat(s), but I doubt they come anything CLOSE 1.737 billion tons, which is the amount of forced used to knock Surtur down like Hulk did. And this is why claiming of "inconsistency" just proves my point. Hulk has plenty of insane feats, which outclass anything we've seen in the MCU: 1.737 billion tons, 100,000,000's of tons holding up the mansion in a weaker form, right after being weakened by using the infinity stones, which is the undisputed pinnacle of feats yet.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Hey, I don't choose which Thor is the default. Ask someone else that, I'm just a normal user.
Correction: Hulk is not actually the strongest one there is, it's just that the feats seem to try desperately to keep Hulk on top. And he is not the most durable there is, the most powerful there is, or the best there is. Also, "Language!" -Captain America
Does Hulk have any star level feats in the MCU? The only one I can think of is toppling Surtur, and Surtur's best feat is destroying a planet and also getting destroyed by the resulting explosion.
No. In the original Avengers movie, Thor's punches manage to hurt him, even though he's not using Mjolnir at that point. And do you call being enraged and smashing down on your enemy a "light tap"??
And after some research, I believe you've been slightly overrating Hulk's Surtur feat. This post sums it up pretty good:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/calculating-mcu-hulks-strength-feats-1944853/ (look at the second one)
Also, someone else talking about how incredible Thor's feat was: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/complete-breakdown-of-mcu-thors-star-forge-feat-1948194/
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Who would you choose if you had to?
If you claim that anything I say if untrue, simply disprove it with facts. Feats as supposed to what?
Who said Surtur died? Surtur easily godstomped Hela, who easily godstomped Thor.
Thor's punches barely budge him; Hulk's first him was sloppy and sent him flying, bleeding from his nose.
After Hulk officially joins the Avengers, he punches Thor and presumably KO's him and sends him fly as a way of saying "good job buddy". When he was enraged he apparently almost killed Thor, or so you claim.
The second comment showed Thor getting knocked the f away by a leviathan. I guess you meant the 3rd, but that calculation would be if Surtur was a human and didn't have a sword to stabilize himself. Still, that feat isn't even Hulk's best feat, yet it still looks as if its one of the best in the entire MCU.
That guy was pretty accurate, yet again, you could tell he was just pulling for straws at some points, like how "even the powerful Ebony Maw" couldn't survive in space, yet Thor could, which is completely irrelevant as Maw is a glass canon.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Either Pre-Ragnarok Thor (the one based on the comics and the one that was around for the longest) or Fat Thor (the current one).
Who said he survived? His immortality is off now that Ragnarok has happened, so it's possible that he did perish. Unless he makes another appearance in the future, we don't know. But many believe he died:
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Surtur
https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Surtur-after-he-destroyed-Asgard-MCU
etc.
That was a sucker punch, and why would that presumably KO him?
I supposed that's true, but if that's not Hulk's greatest feat, then what is his greatest feat? The Avengers Mansion feat?
True. He was very accurate, but there are still some things I disagree with. But still, he was pretty accurate.

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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Agreed, except then the question is if Thor is fat and Hulk is smart should Cap be old in his fights? Probably not Tony dead.
I think it should be Thor, Gladiator Thor, and Thor (Stormbreaker).
Yeah he probably died, but that doesn't really make Hulk's feat any worse.
It was like a fist bump. They both were looking forward, proving Thor's reaction time is slower (Hulk blocks plenty of Thor's attacks, though Thor is faster sometimes). It might've KO'd him for a bit because we don't see him that soon after. Probably not though.
The fighting the infinity stones and snapping followed by mansion.
Agreed, but evidently Hulk still takes this.

Not only that, if we combine this with the debates on a separate page...wow.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) True, base Thor should probably be Pre-Ragnarok.
That means Surtur cannot survive planetary attacks, thus putting the Hulk feat below planetary, while Thor's feat is low star level.
We're taking this too seriously, that was supposed to be funny. Also, wasn't Thor looking in the opposite direction? And it was Hulk that punched, so...
I guess yeah.
Um...no. This debate is not ending yet. Continue!

I know right? That's amazing! High five dude! 🖐️
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Then from now on lets say Post-Ragnarok.
That's probably true yes, fortunately that's not his best feat.
Hulk's leap of faith at Surtur was also supposed to be funny. The last time he got a feat that was purely for the coolness of it was the Avengers. I won't take it as a joke cause that's exactly what the writers are telling me to do. And no they were both looking straight ahead, even during the punch. I don't understand what you mean by "and it was Hulk who punched".
Definitely! I was just saying that so far that's what it seems to look like.

Yeah I'll refrain from the fist bump (lol) 🖐
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) I believe the fight with the stones was more a mental battle than anything, so it shouldn't be a durability or strength feat. Bearing the stones on the other hand was, and I agree that the feat was impressive, but Thanos was able to do it while having a godly weapon deep in his chest and bearing the stones much longer, and he still got off better (that may have to do with the better gauntlet, but still).
That was? I thought it was the part after about Hulk complaining that there was a big monster that was supposed to be funny.
Hulk punched, so he knew it what was going on and caught Thor off guard. Thor wasn't really paying attention to him and so got knocked away.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Then how come it was glowing like it was being used?
Hold up. This was not a "better gauntlet" situation. That gauntlet was made to ABSORB the power of the stones, making Thanos more powerful (unless the stones are being drained), rather than less. Not only that, Thanos feat was relatively simple. It was just rolling a die. Hulk's on the other hand, not only did he half to bring them back in one piece, he had to replace them in a different position so they wouldn't die. All without knowing where they were. Oh and about Stormbreaker, you could see that he used the time stone if you watch closely (or search it up).
Exactly. But in a epic moment you root for the guy. Thor and Valk shouting no turned the damn feat into a comedy sketch. I could thank the writers for giving us all we need to see who's the most powerful, even at the expense of making my favorite character look like an idiot (and Loki/Thor).
Tell someone who can beat you in a fight to stand near you, both looking straight. Now try the punch on him. I guarantee you won't budge him.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Because he was preparing to snap.
Yeah, but Tony, Professor Hulk and Rocket also created the Nano Gauntlet to use the stones too. And I thought the complexity of the wish didn't matter. Also, how does the time stone have to do with Stormbreaker?
Heh, yeah. But still, as I stated above, that feat was only planetary, while Thor has a star level feat.
But if you are equals, it would probably hurt him. And whether they can win in a fight would be different, as durability is not the same as power.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Well, if it was mental strength than why were the stones attacking/burning him from the start? Why did Hulk say that he was the strongest, why not the smartest?
To use the stones, and they knew jack sh*t compared to Dinklage. Regardless, they made it to house the stones, not absorb there power. Why do you think Thanos, who knows WAY more about the stones than those three, went out of his way to get that gauntlet made? The Avengers should've have done the same in Endgame.
Oh really? Then how come Thanos wasn't injured for all those little tricks he pulled with the gauntlet?
Thanos used the time stone to reverse the effects of Stormbreaker. No durability feat whatsoever.
Thor pretty much died from doing that; calling that star level is a serious highball. On the other hand, read this, and maybe the first few comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/awvyq0/mcu_is_the_thanos_snap_considered_a_universal_feat/
No, but Thor could NOT do it to Hulk, Thor doing that would be begging for a Loki treatment.
Of course they are different. Though Hulk has every one of these feats. Durability/strength/power with infinity stones. Power/strength punching Surtur. Strength/durability getting bombed and then holding up 100s of millions of tons, etc...(mind you most of those feats are Hulk at his weakest)
I thought it would be pretty clear. Hulk one-shots him. He's not even trying and he sends him to Valhalla in one goddamn fist bump.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Because the ability to hold all the stones at all require much power, and putting the gauntlet on automatically lets the stones attack, much like how they sent tendrils of energy up Thanos when he put in a new stone or put on the gauntlet.
True, don't know why they didn't do that. And I don't understand what you meant by "To use the stones, and they knew jack sh*t compared to Dinklage."
He was, just to a smaller degree. And he wasn't injured as much due to 1: His superior gauntlet and 2: His superior body.
So he's high planet level to low star level.
So?
Come on. That's the second weakest version of Thor against the strongest version of Hulk (not counting the version with the Stark Gauntlet).
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) But they didn't always. Proving that Hulk was actively fighting it, not going along with its plans, like Thanos.
Eitri made it to control the stones, not just harness them.
He was NOT injured when he used it, other than snapping. No, he wasn't injured as much due to 1: Gauntlet 2: not fighting the stones 3: doing smaller things with it
Show me where Thanos shows higher durability than Hulk? Otherwise that's just an unfair assumption.
Kudos, Thor could be argued as star level; yet if you use that argument, I could argue that since the gauntlet is universal (right?), and Hulk survived it better than Thor survived the Star, Hulk is Universal (goddamn Universal).
I thought we agreed that those were the base versions?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) They're stones, how would they have plans? And I want you to give me an example where energy didn't spiral up Thanos's arm or he had some sort of strained reaction.
He was injured in Endgame.
Or you could argue that Stormbreaker Thor is star level and Fat Thor is very rusty, and you could argue that the only reason Professor Hulk could handle the stones was because it was mainly Gamma radiation, and that is how the Hulk was created, and if it weren't for that, he wouldn't be able to do as well. Or I could just say that version of Thor only has star level DURABILITY.
Yes, but still.
Stormbreaker Thor > Fat Thor > Gladiator Thor > Base Thor > Unworthy Thor
Hulk > Professor Hulk
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Are you forgetting the mind stone?
Right before Tony grabbed hold of him is one IICR.
Yeah, from snapping.
Except that was just Bruce trying to save his friends. My proof? It should have made him stronger if it were true. "Do the math". The only stone that's radiation is the tesseract, and there's no proof that the space stone also is. The Russos said he was the only one strong enough.
He pretty much died. So no.
(Btw if you didn't understand I was making a joke when I said "goddamn Universal", because that's who owns him, not bragging Hulk's abilities)
Even in the comics its like that. Hulk's strongest and weakest forms are stronger than Thor's strongest and weakest.

Hulk (NG) >>> Hulk (sufficiently angry) > Fat Thor > Thor (Stormbreaker) > Gladiator Thor > Hulk (base) > Thor (base) > Prof. Hulk >>> Unworthy Thor

This list is just thrown together. It does not mean that in a fight with specific circumstances a low level one can't beat a high level one.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Thanos was in pain just from putting the gauntlet on. He was still dealing with it much better than Hulk, who was groaning and panting in pain as his arm was being barbecued.
Okay, low star level durability. And he still survived.
No. In the comics Unworthy Thor > Professor Hulk and Rune King Thor > Immortal Hulk

I still say that Hulk (NG) >>> Stormbreaker Thor => Enraged Hulk > Fat Thor > Awakened Thor > Base Hulk = Base Thor > Prof. Hulk >>> Unworthy Thor.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Thank you for proving my point. The gauntlet wasn't doing sh*t to Thanos; in fact it was making him stronger. If Hulk was the won who had the IG, the real Hulk, the real IG, he would be WAY more powerful, as Smart Hulk has no healing factor it seems like. He was groaning as he was fighting the stones. They wouldn't give in. But, you claiming this, I'll claim that Grandmaster zapped both contestants, and Hulk just tanked it.
He got saved by Stormbreaker.
In the comics, Unworthy Thor with no weapons is roughly equal to Prof Hulk with no weapons.
CIH >>> RKT, and if you claim that CIH is not Hulk, to which there's evidence of the contrary, I could still say that Hulk's potential is infinite, meaning he still wins.

That's pretty accurate I guess.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) He was hurt, just not as much as Hulk.
He was still alive enough to summon Stormbreaker.
Didn't Unworthy Thor defeat Fenris Wolf?
I know CIH > RKT, I was saying that RKT >>> Immortal Hulk. And CIH was being amped by the One Below All, it was still Hulk, but he was amped unfairly. The One Below All is like the second most powerful character in all of marvel, so I don't include CIH. And Hulk's potential is infinite, not his power. It's different. For example, Broly's potential is infinite, but that didn't stop him from being defeated by Gogeta.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Prove he was hurt.
Did he, or did he just pick it up? Regardless, it was like the time stone "feat". Its not his own doing, so it doesn't count.
Fenrir in the comics. Idk really, but Prof Hulk is VASTLY smarter than Thor, especially Unworthy Thor.
Except Hulk at his "most powerful form" in infinitely more powerful than RKT. If you wanna say that it doesn't matter cause a savage Hulk more powerful than RKT has never existed in comics, and they need to exist in comics, then I say fine, we'll use CIH. Oh and by the way, CIH is more powerful than RKT than RKT is Immortal Hulk.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) After he puts it on, he screams in pain.
Stormbreaker floated up and came to Thor.
Yeah, I'm talking about the comics. And I agree that Prof. Hulk is much smarter than Unworthy Thor, but Unworthy Thor is stronger, more experienced and more skilled than Prof. Hulk.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) And then he adjusts to the power and stops. It no longer attacks him as its goal align with his.
Okay, but he was still healed from outside sources other than his own, and it was a dying star, which would put him at below low star level.
Strength/power/durability: UT = PH
Intellect: PH >>> UT
Experience/skill: UT > PH
Speed: UT > PH

Although this usually isn't accurate, here this would mean Prof Hulk > Unworthy Thor.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) It still attacks him, he just adjusts to the power and uses it, unlike Professor Hulk, who continues to express his pain until he blacks out.
Okay.
I would say:
Intelligence: Professor Hulk >>> Unworthy Thor
Strength: Unworthy Thor >= Professor Hulk
Speed: Unworthy Thor > Professor Hulk
Durability: Unworthy Thor >= Professor Hulk
Power: Unworthy Thor > Professor Hulk
Experience/Skill: Unworthy Thor >> Professor Hulk
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) There is no visible visible evidence of the gauntlet attacking him.
That's pretty accurate. Again, I say they're pretty much equal. But still, that would mean that in both movies and comics, Hulk's strongest appearance >>> Thor's strongest appearance, and in movies Hulk's weakest appearance >>> Thor's weakest appearance, comics around = to each other, which still says a lot.
Base appearances as well, both comics and movies, Hulk as the upper hand, even with Thor's multiple unfair advantages. Only with a few specific pair-ups can Thor beat Hulk more than vise-versa.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Whenever he puts it on, the energy attacks him. The only instances where that is not the case are 1: When Captain Marvel tries absorbing the stones' energy and 2: When Iron Man is removing the stones.
Stormbreaker Thor > Hulk
The whole reason Stan Lee made Thor is so there would be someone stronger than Hulk. And Thor's feats are not worse than Hulk's in the comics.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Yes, for a like two seconds. Show me a picture of it attacking him otherwise. And btw, it still attacks him when Carol absorbs the stones, just he gets none of the benefits.
It's not fair to use the most powerful version of one character, and the second to weakest version of the other character in a fight. And regardless Hulk might be able to use Stormbreaker on him like Thanos does.
The whole reason he made Hulk is to be the strongest there is.
Maybe not but Hulk does better in most encounters, even though Thor usually has multiple unfair advantages (nothing unusual).
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That's because he can't keep the gauntlet for more than two seconds without someone interrupting.
Oh, you're counting the Nano Gauntlet Professor Hulk. Well then, I agree. But I disagree that Hulk can use Stormbreaker against him because of a few reasons:
1: He's not as skilled as Thanos.
2: He's not as strong as Thanos.
3: Stormbreaker Thor is physically stronger than Fat Thor.
4: He would get killed by a thrown flying Stormbreaker first.
Well then Thor should be stronger than the strongest.
Thor is usually holding back. We've seen him do things like move the Worldengine, which is the size of Yggdrasil, which is basically the omniverse.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Sorry, even in those short periods of time nothing happens to him.
Stormbreaker Thor didn't last much longer then NG PH, so of course we count him.
1) He's seen Stormbreaker in action way more, and even fought with similar weapons before.
2) Nice try bub. We went through this already.
3) That's not what the Russos said.
4) That why didn't Thanos?
Well he's clearly not. After all...things change m8.
Hulk is ALWAYS, and I repeat ALWAYS holding back. To know the TRUE power of Hulk, or the closest thing to it, you must take his HOTM feats, in which Hulk stops holding back, and multiply them with him one-shotting Onslaught, where there is no Banner holding him back. The main issue with this of course is, that in HOTM he was fighting Betty, and before he fights Onslaught, he asks if he could keep his memory of Betty, meaning that in both places he STILL wasn't fully letting go. Now who is TRULY the strongest Avenger?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Yes they did!
Stormbreaker Thor lasted quite a bit longer. But okay, sure.
1) Yes, but Hulk isn't very skilled. He's usually just a berserker brute. And yes, while he did use a hammer and an axe during his time as a gladiator, he's still not as skilled as Thor, an experienced warrior.
2) Even if he's as strong as Thanos, Stormbreaker Thor is more fit and physically stronger than Fat Thor.
3) My observations disagree. And when did the Russos stop you from thinking something?
4) So we could have an awesome fight scene, duh. Also because Thanos is more skilled as a warrior and that wouldn't have happened to him.
Has Hulk shifted the entire omniverse? Has he overpowered the pressure of a neutron star or a black hole? Has he defeated Fenris Wolf without any special weapons? Let's just say it's a tie.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Prove it.
And Hulk lasted WAY longer than Stormbreaker Thor. If fact, the difference between Hulk and Stormbreaker Thor is vastly more than the difference between Stormbreaker Thor and NG Prof Hulk.
1) Okay, but Prof Hulk isn't a brute. Still, Hulk has a good chance.
2) a) He's stronger than Thanos. b) He's stronger than Thor. He can catch Stormbreaker like he did in Ragnarok.
3) Never, but they sure as hell stopped you.
4) It wouldn't happen to Hulk either. His healing factor and durability far surpasses Strombreaker/Thor's damage output.

He's done multiple things on that list of yours, and some of his feats outclass those tenfold. I'd say its a tie, but that'd be a lie.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=struggle+for+the+gauntlet&&view=detail&mid=1B561E72DCDFA9AA60C91B561E72DCDFA9AA60C9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dstruggle%2Bfor%2Bthe%2Bgauntlet%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
1) Hulk is a brute, not Professor Hulk.
2) That was a hammer. If he tried that with something sharp like Stormbreaker it would cut right through his hand.
3) I literally just said Stormbreaker Thor > Fat Thor.
4) Healing factor? Yes. Durability? Doubtful.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-noteworthy-feats-that-Thor-has-done-in-the-comics
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) See how to stones don't fight until someone is preparing to use them?
1) That's what makes Hulk stronger than prof Hulk.
2) Thor uses the other side just as often, and regardless, he doesn't have to grab onto the blade.
3) Oh? Is that the only thing the Russos told you? That fat Thor is the most powerful Thor?
4) Infinity Stones = universal --- Stormbreaker = ? (not universal)
And Hulk tanked it in a weaker form, with only durability, his healing factor is practically non-existent in that form.

Thor's pretty tough, I know. Your point?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) The Gauntlet hurts the user every time it's complete.
2) Nonetheless, it's harder to stop a sharp weapon than a blunt weapon.
3) It disproves your statement.
4) The Infinity stones together are universal, and it's not like Hulk is being blasted by the stone, he's just holding them. That doesn't make his durability universal level. And Stormbreaker flew right threw the complete infinity gauntlet in Infinity War, so theoretically it should be at least equal with the stones.

You say Hulk is stronger than Thor. I gave you something to disprove that.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) But mainly if a) You have a crap gauntlet b) You are fighting the very nature of the stones 3) If you think this, then you also believe that the power stone has a passive effect on the user when not being drained.
2) True, which is why he could also dodge it, or potentially thunderclap it off-course (not head on, of course; if the stones couldn't, he couldn't).
3) No, no, no, no. You are missing the point! What ELSE are the Russos telling us, what OTHER sh*t are they feeding us, that you and most other Marvel fans eat up willingly?
4) Except the soul stone can't blast. Neither can the time. And the only color stone that's blast is yellow is the mind stone, which is just Vision's laser, which War Machine survived, so no. In raw power, maybe, but reality stone and bye bye Stormbreaker. Any two stones >>> Stormbreaker

It didn't though. Which scan is supposed to disprove that exactly?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) a, b, 3? And also, you can see the power stone's energy going into Thanos's hand when he takes the stone out.
2) Maybe only dodging it, but Thor's combat speed is faster than Hulk's.
3) They're the directors, what they say is supposed to be canon. You can't really blame people for accepting it.
4) The blast is coming from the entire gauntlet, not just the mind-stone. And also, there's also the power stone. Furthermore, perhaps the gauntlet is more than the sum of its parts. And we have no proof that Vision was using his full power there.

The vast majority of those feats are Hulk level or beyond. Why don't you give me some comic Hulk feats so we can compare?
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Haha wtf don't ask me. I think I switched it in between or something. And what do you mean by the last part?
2) Not really, he's just smaller and more skilled.
3) But who are you (not just you I know) to pick and choose what you accept and what you deny?
4) Except the power stone is purple, that's my point. That's like saying that when he blasts the power stone at Falcon he's using the entire gauntlet. With the IG it might be, though there's no proof that Thanos was using his full power either. If he wanted to win easily, he would've used the reality stone the second he acquired it.

Arguably the weakest Hulk, if not then the second weakest, grey Hulk, easily destroying an asteroid twice the size of earth with nothing but his bare hands, in a single punch. This is a calm, weak Hulk, HOLDING BACK.
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Odin assisting Thor is canon.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) When Thanos holds the Power Stone (something only Celestial Power Star-Lord with help from the Guardians of the Galaxy has done), the energy glows in his hand. But maybe that isn't much.
2) But still more skilled.
3) Hey, these are what I believe, I get to choose. Choose your own beliefs, not mine.
4) Using the Reality Stone would have made the movie boring. And there is no actual reason for him to hold back there, Stormbreaker was going right through the blast easily, it wasn't even struggling.

I think that's second weakest. First weakest would be Professor Hulk.
Yes, but does he have feats such as casually overpowering 132 sextillion tons or moving the entire OMNIVERSE?
That feat is Immortal Hulk.

This feat is after fighting with Doctor Strange.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Is that a feat, or is it supposed to be relevant to the previous discussion?
2) Yep, but doesn't have much experience wielding Stormbreaker himself. Skill is really the only thing Thor has on Hulk, movies and comics.
3) Because you called me a hypocrite for listening to the Russos. I only did so to trap fans who think that Thanos beat Hulk.
4) Thanos doesn't know about the forth wall, so nice try. Hulk beating Thanos would have ALSO made the movie boring! But we'll count it, because he used the power stone. If Stormbreaker could "struggle", then I don't allow Thor to use it, if its a sentient thing. Even so, Thanos always knew he could use the time stone and snap, and knew Thor was going for his chest. He had no reason to go all out. He already won.

Possibly, though he's still a lot weaker than savage Hulk.
It was just proving that Odin helping out Thor is canon, so it happening in the MCU makes total sense.

That's King Thor, fighting Thing and Prof Hulk, one of the strongest Thors, vs the weakest Hulk. Both characters have a clear limit to their power. What's this supposed to prove?

So now that we've established that Hulk is the most powerful in the MCU, we're moving on to comics now? Just want to make sure...
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Both.
2) You could also argue speed, durability, and overall power for the movies. Strength, durability, and overall power are also stalemates for Thor and Hulk in the comics.
4) I meant the writers had to make him not use the stones that way or the movie would've ended as soon as he killed Loki (open portals right next to the other stones and get them right then and now). I meant the speed it was flying never decreased a significant amount. And how did he know where Thor was aiming?

True.
The "by Odin" was just Thor's way of saying "Oh my, how is he so tough" and Hulk responded, not meant to be taken literally.
Just another feat.
No. We haven't established that Hulk is the most powerful in the MCU, we just kind of dropped that and moved on to the comics. We can do both at the same time if you want.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Well, that certainly doesn't outclass Hulk. How is it relevant though (I could think of some ways I guess)?
2) Traveling speed there's no way you could argue. Reaction speed you can't really either, nor combat speed. Not durability, Hulk takes it with the gauntlet feat. The only thing maybe is power, and that Hulk counters with his Surtur feat. Maybe for "base" Hulk.
4) He didn't know where the stones were, only there general location, so he couldn't. He said "you should've gone for the head". Now maybe he didn't but Thanos in general underestimated Stormbreaker.

Okay, but it makes sense, gods calling out for help like that.
Okay, but not exactly relevant in this specific discussion.
Okay, got any MCU arguments left for me?
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That does outclass Hulk. Thanos barehanded the power stone with almost no side effects. Hulk was defeated in a matter of seconds.
2) Hulk is slow enough for Black Widow to stay ahead of him for quite a while. Thor flies faster than jets. Hulk survived the Infinity stones due to his gamma physiology and the fact that the stones' radiation was mainly gamma. Isn't the Surtur feat Hulk in base?
4) The point is, if that happened we wouldn't get all the awesome fight scenes. And yes, Thanos did underestimate Stormbreaker. Also, *their.

I think we got as far as we can go in the MCU. We went over all the feats and the fights, and neither of us is backing down.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So Thanos is as powerful as the Guardians (Quill, Rocket, Gamora, and Drax), BIG DEAL.
2) Thor could only actually fly with Mjolnir, and Hulk could possibly run faster.
That's the explanation he gave. The radiation is the least of the wearer's worries. If so, then he should've been more powerful. We went over this plenty of times. Hulk would have survived either way. Thor, or anyone else for that matter, barring maybe Thanos, would have not.
Yes, I was saying that Thor only matches base Hulk.
4) So? If Hulk beat Thanos, even when he used the power stone, we wouldn't have our awesome fight scenes. But yet the loss still counts.

True, yet it seems as though you do agree now that base Hulk (MCU) > base Thor, and some other things that IICR you vehemently disagreed with me before.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) CELESTIAL POWER Star-Lord.
2) No, there's also Stormbreaker. And he has been shown moving pretty quickly besides flying, too.
For example:

This may not seem like much, but note that besides Quicksilver, Thor is the only one moving, while Captain America, Iron Man, and the other Ultron droids are all statues. This means his combat speed is faster than Iron Man and Captain America by a huge margin, while Iron Man has been shown faster than Hulk.
Oh, okay.
4) That's because there isn't really a way Hulk comes out on top. Thanos has the Power Stone in his possession, as well as the Black Order and his army.

My final opinion on the MCU versions of Thor and Hulk is:
Nano Gauntlet Prof. Hulk >>> Stormbreaker Thor >= Fat Thor > Awakened Gladiator Thor = Enraged Hulk > Base Thor = Base Hulk >> Prof. Hulk >> Unworthy Thor.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) He didn't awaken his powers yet.
2) Hulk laid more hits on Thor than vise-versa during their fight in Ragnarok. Oh and thanks for reminding me, Hulk only fights Ultron twice, one-shotting him, and the other time giving him the Loki treatment after being blasted by the Quinjet. Thor on the other hand, loses to Ultron one-on-one, even when fighting a weaker version.
Hulk is the fastest at least in running in the MCU, though not if Quicksilver was still alive.
4) If Hulk just knocked Thanos straight out of the ship, while Loki teleported Thor with him to Earth to warn the Avengers. Thanos died from lack of oxygen probably. Hulk probably can't, but then Heimdall can just send him to Earth as well. The Black Order dies from lack of oxygen. GG.
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Dude. What you told me for your past ten comments or so goes against everything you just said.
How is Prof Hulk only >> Unworthy Thor, who almost lost to a shield agent? Hell, how is Stormbreaker Thor closer to Nano Gauntlet Prof Hulk than Prof Hulk?
At least you said it how it is. Your opinion. Because what I've told you, what YOU'VE told ME, goes against everything on that list.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Ego confirmed that the Celestial Bloodline was what kept Quill alive.
Number of hits does not decide the winner. When Hulk "one-shotted" Ultron, he was already weakened severely by Vision, Iron Man and Thor. And in the Quinjet, that was just Ultron getting thrown out the door. Also, I don't remember, was that a weaker Ultron? Or is that the same version of Ultron?
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the number of >'s. Let me try again:
Nano Gauntlet Prof. Hulk >>> Stormbreaker Thor >= Fat Thor > Awakened Gladiator Thor = Enraged Hulk > Base Thor = Base Hulk > Prof. Hulk >>> Unworthy Thor.
And of course Stormbreaker Thor is closer in power to Nano Gauntlet Prof. Hulk than Prof. Hulk! Stormbreaker Thor >>> Prof. Hulk.
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Damnn, this is an argument! ngl I agree with @Alien_X on this one, the whole point of the movie is that they can't stop hela, if they thought they even had a chance they wouldn't have sacrificed asgard.
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) So? He didn't lose that bloodline afterwards, yet you argue Carol beats him. Thanos was already confirmed to be above Carol, so a feat that puts him at or below the level of Peter, Drax, Gamora, and Rocket.
It doesn't, but it decides who has better combat speed, especially since Thor is so much smaller and more skilled. Yes, but it was established there that Hulk >> Ultron > Thor = Vision >= Iron Man because Hulk was the only one to beat Ultron in a one on one, even though he fought the most powerful Ultron, who had a quinjet in his possession. Listen, you could here him being given the Loki treatment. Also, Ultron keeps "juicing" himself up with vibranium, as Tony Stark would say. Ultron from the beginning of the movie is constantly one-upping his previous form, and by the time he fights Hulk he's already at his final form.
Prof Hulk could potentially beat Thor by grabbing Stormbreaker and shoving it into him. How can Thor beat gauntlet prof Hulk? He could just reality stone him away.
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) @Savage That's because Hela had a massive army. That was just one of our debates though. What do you think about our other ones?
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 21 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) He lost his celestial powers after Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2. He had his powers before then, but they were dormant.
Wasn't he blasted by Thor, Vision, and Iron Man, then hit by Hulk before the quinjet scene?
I never said any version of Thor can beat Nano Gauntlet Prof. Hulk. And Thor quite a bit stronger than Prof. Hulk due to Prof. Hulk being weaker than base Hulk, Stormbreaker Thor being stronger than Awakened Thor, and Awakened Thor being stronger than base Hulk.
Also, that army was a bunch of one-shot nothings that could be handled quite easily by Skurge all alone (or at least, until he runs out of ammo, afterwards they have a chance).
Savage
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Well now I gotta read through 200 comments lmao
Taurus
Taurus 6 mo 21 d
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Powers. Not celestial bloodline.
No, that was a weaker version, with Scarlet Witch killed after.
That all is just by assumption. Prof Hulk has the best feat in the MCU, now imagine Hulk, whos stronger and not just base. Meaning potentially NG PH >>> Hulk > Prof Hulk > Stormbreaker Thor > Awakened Thor
Prof Hulk has a shot at Stormbreaker Thor, who doesn't have a shot at NG PH.
It distracted them, making them not all fight Hela at once. The combined might of angry Hulk (will have just beaten Fenris), awakened Thor, and the rest will be enough to topple her.
They don't have a chance against Skurge regardless, he was taking them out just as fast as the rest of the team (maybe not including Thor).
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 20 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) That's what I meant, sorry.
Prof. Hulk nearly died from the snap and then struggled to hold up part of the destroyed mansion.
An incredibly miniscule shot.
Yeah, but at the end, they were pretty much done with the army and still saw little chance of winning. That's why Thor decided to unleash Surtur, just like @Savage said.
Until Skurge was casually one-shotted by Hela.
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Except apparently Ego said this about his bloodline, which he didn't lose.
Prove he "nearly died". With zero healing factor, he held up 100s of millions of tons of rubble right after snapping and then getting bombed. Thor couldn't have done that after making Strombreaker, even after he healed from it. And don't get me started on the weakest Thor, who got ragdolled by a single shield agent, and can't even lift a single ton.
How? Prof Hulk has way better feats. The only thing Stormbreaker Thor has on him is skill, and possibly speed and power. Prof Hulk has strength, durability, intellect, and more on him, and by a long shot.
Yeah, because they thought Fenris might have beaten/eaten Hulk or something, even Odin was afraid of the goddamn god eater.
It was a cheapshot, similar to how Thor was casually oneshotted by Hulk.
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 20 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Ego said that after he died, Quill's powers would disappear too. He also said that his powers were the only reason he could survive holding the Power stone.
He blacked out and everyone rushed in to help him. And how did you know how heavy the facility was? Thor never got the chance to do it. However, he did singlehandedly annihilate most of Thanos's army and then critically injure Thanos with a complete gauntlet. Also, Unworthy Thor is pathetic, I know.
Stormbreaker Thor has strength, speed, power, skill, range of abilities, and weaponry as advantages.
Wasn't Hulk standing right there?
Skurge was wearing Uru armor and Hela casually penetrated him thoroughly. I doubt he could've done anything to prevent that.
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) He didn't awaken his powers yet. Unless you agree with THIS https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/hspu8k/marvel_peter_quill_still_has_his_celestial_powers/
Prove he blacked out. They rushed to help him because for all they know, he could of been dead. What, they should've been like, "Yeah he's Hulk I'm sure he's fine" and then just have gotten a beer or something?
Even with a serious lowball, its impossible for the building to be less than a millions tons.
Thor never got the chance, but his best feat is barely comparable (to Hulk's THIRD best feat!) so that's fine. Those were "one-shot nothings", and Thanos won that encounter after all.
How does Thor have the strength (I could MAYVE see the others)? He won't have the weaponry advantages for long ;)
No, he came up from behind them while they were talking, and jumped a few hundred feet up to punch Surtur.
If he came up behind her with the axe, he might have been able to kill her. Hel, he could've probably done it without cheapshotting her.
Alien_X
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) They were still there. And tbh, that theory has some possibility of truth.
But how do you know he was lifting the whole thing by himself? Maybe it was just a chunk that Prof. Hulk struggled with due to his injury.
Awakened Thor was roughly equal to enraged Hulk, who is stronger than Professor Hulk.

Hela tanked multiple full-power blows from Awakened Thor, the first of which caught her off guard. How would Skurge with an axe Hela gave him be able to kill her?
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Not the powers he used to match Ego with. And if its just physical aspects, he still has it after Ego dies then.
Because Giant-Man grows directly where they were and knocks off the entire compound. But you're right, it could have been much less. At the absolute lowest low-ball, however, it was thousands of tons with ONE HAND, his left hand (presumably weaker, he punches (speaking of punches, don't forget the time he dented vibranium!) and snaps and does stuff usually with the right).
More powerful, maybe stronger, not smarter and not more durable.
Hela used that bloodaxe herself, which means that it is more powerful then her usual spikes. It could potentially do her in. Its a good thing he has the Revengers + Heimdall as back-up just in case he can't.
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 20 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) They were dormant, not non-existent.
True. But Giant-Man might have just grown much larger than the part they were in and knocked off the surrounding debris as well.
Basically, the only advantages of Prof. Hulk are intelligence and durability.
But one of those "usual spikes" one-shotted Skurge, so I doubt he would stand a chance either way.
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Okay, so what's dormant celestial power Peter's best feat? Apply that to Thanos.
I was thinking about that when I estimated (lowballed) a few thousand tons.
But by a whole hell of a lot. Also, possibly strength. What's Thor's best strength feat?
If he cheapshotted her like she did to him than he might.
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Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 19 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Well, barehanding the Power Stone, for one.
Okay.
Probably his "opening the Iris of Nithavellir" feat. But yeah, possibly strength (though I doubt it).
So you're saying Skurge swinging an axe would do several times more damage than Thor's full awakened power?
Taurus
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Which would put him/Thanos right below Prof Hulk.
The rings of Nidavellir feat is also pretty difficult to calculate, but it is pretty close to the mansion feat. Still, that is the most powerful Thor's beat feat, while that's the least powerful Hulk's second to best feat, and it still outclasses him. That says a lot.
Maybe Hela's weak to it, who knows. Regardless this isn't Skurge vs Hela, so it doesn't matter.
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 19 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Professor Hulk never bare-handed the stone, he just took the power through a device specifically made to contain the stones.
Which is why I'm glad Thor is getting a fourth movie. This way we can see his power some more. Also, we still have the instance where Awakened Thor mopped the floor with Hulk.
Taurus
Taurus 6 mo 19 d
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Except we know that Hulk's snapping feats > Thanos' snapping feats, because of the gauntlet and what they were trying to do with the gauntlet, and Thanos was way more damaged from his snap than from holding the power stone, meaning Prof Hulk's feat > Thanos' feat > holding power stone.
Don't get your hopes up. I sure as hell am not.
Until Hulk KO'd him with one hit.

All in all, its evident that Hulk > Thor. Until more evidence is shown. Otherwise, that's going by assumptions, which is bias.
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 19 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) If there aren't good feats for Thor in the next movie, then I will be all 😠😠😠
But Grandmaster incapacitated Thor first.
It still depends on the version. My opinion is still NG PH>>>Stormbreaker Thor >= Fat Thor > Awakened Thor >= Enraged Hulk >> Base Hulk = Base Thor >= Professor Hulk >>> Unworthy Thor.
Taurus
Taurus 6 mo 19 d
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Same. Gorr should whoop him, but if they make Jan Foster save Thor from Gorr I think I might take a break from the MCU.
True, but to be fair most fight in the MCU have other factors involved. The whole fight wasn't all too fair in general. I'd rather it lasted longer, and end it somewhat of a draw, with Thor and Hulk teaming up to break out.
Oh totally. Though I find it funny that you say "still" even though your opinion changes every time you mention it lol.

But what I was trying to tell you was that we don't know whether Odin helped Thor or not, right? But what we do know that Prof Hulk has better feats than Thor (ANY Thor), and that Prof Hulk is basically a weak version of "base" Hulk, which should clear things up in regards to Odin.

So of course as someone like myself I agree that we don't always have to follow exactly what the writers dictate, but when countless things are pointing one way, its only fair to agree on it. Its the logical thing to do. Of course I'm open to seeing it your way, heck, many things you've mentioned I DO see it your way, even before you told me. But many theories you have have little to no evidence to back them, so until those can be verified in the future, I say we should go with the easiest explanations.
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Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 19 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Agreed. We don't need another overpowered female superhero that shouldn't be overpowered in the MCU (*cough* Captain Marvel *cough*).
Yeah, let's just leave that fight at a "to be decided".
Not really. Does it? Maybe just minor changes and different number of >'s but overall I think it stays the same.
I can see where you're coming from and I understand your points. You are a great debate opponent and you raise great points. However, not even you can convince me to change my vote. While I believe I understand your ideas and at times agree, my opinion is unchanged.
Taurus
Taurus 6 mo 19 d
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Agreed.
Agreed.
In general minor changes I guess.
That's fair.
You as well. And you're definitely better at keeping things passive than I am.
I feel like we reached some sort of mutual agreement on most of it anyway.
I'm fairly satisfied with this debate. We could end it here if you'd like, on a high note.
Alien_X
Alien_X 6 mo 19 d
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Hela (MCU) & Fenris (MCU) Sure. I like how this went overall and how it ended, with neither of us "winning" but getting our point across and getting a mutual agreement.
Good game?
Taurus
Taurus 6 mo 19 d
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Team Thor (Gladiator) (MCU) Yeah, and you could see how in general it might've been Hulk vs Thor, but we weren't always arguing for "our side", just what we thought made sense, which could technically be either of our opinions/theories, unless they verify in the future.
GG m8

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