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Oblivion
Oblivion 2 mo 5 d
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Team Superman Flash solos,Superman solos,literal bruh moment.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 5 d
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Team Superman Agree with you there.
Taurus
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Team Captain America @Oblivion What the hell are you talking about, literal bruh moment.
Oblivion
Oblivion 2 mo 3 d
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Team Superman İs this your fucking arguement?,wow how convincing.
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Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 mo 3 d
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Team Captain America @Oblivion It seems your arguments always tends to be to lose our temper. Superman is not soling at all. Too many obstacles.
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Taurus
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Team Captain America @Oblivion Why would I need an argument when you've said nothing to refute?
Oblivion
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Team Superman Superman alone negs the team with mid diff,everyone other than Hulk are non factors.
Oblivion
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Team Superman >@Oblivion It seems your arguments always tends to be to lose our temper. Superman is not soling at all. Too many obstacles.
Hoes mad😂
Taurus
Taurus 2 mo 3 d
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Team Captain America @Oblivian The others can play back-up to him.
And bruh, what's with this new toxicity? "Hoes mad"???
Alien_X
Alien_X 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman Anyone on team 1 except Batman would probably solo everyone on team 2 except Hulk, and then the combined might of Wonder Woman, Flash, and Superman would take Hulk down.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman Any of those three could solo hulk.
Alien_X
Alien_X 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman Superman? 50/50
Wonder Woman or Flash? Maybe, but I doubt it.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman All have a significant speed, intelligence, and experience advantage.
Alien_X
Alien_X 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman Hulk regularly fights MFTL beings and has nearly infinite to infinite strength, as well as the best healing factor in this battle. He goes toe-to-toe with Thor and Sentry, both of whom are equal (if not superior) to Superman, who is the most powerful person on team one.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 2 mo 26 d
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Team Superman Many of those "MFTL" beings have been blitzed by slow or even street level characters. Superman can match his strength, and is in the same category at the bare minimum due to also having potentially limitless strength. WW and Flash are both close. Flash has superior striking strength. Flash is the most powerful on team one, Superman is a close second. Flash makes Thor and Sentry look like turtles in comparison. He could blitz all three of them at the same time a billion times over before they could move a muscle.
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Alien_X
Alien_X 2 mo 25 d
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Team Superman Many MFTL beings get blitzed by slow characters. For example, Barry has trouble with Mirror Master and Captain Cold, and Superman's arch-nemesis is Lex Luthor.
How does Flash have superior striking strength? I mean, sure, he's got his infinite-mass punch, but can he destroy the fabric of reality?
I honestly think you overrate the Flash. How is he more powerful than Superman? And I think you're exaggerating a bit much when you say that "Flash makes Thor and Sentry look like turtles in comparison. He could blitz all three of them at the same time a billion times over before they could move a muscle."
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Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Barry only has "trouble" because he has a strong moral compass. If he didn't hold back that would never happen. His enemies play off the fact that he's a nice guy. Lex Luthor only contends with Superman because he uses kryptonite. Without it he would not stand a chance. Flash's IMP can hit you one billion times in a single second. Each hits with the force of a Supernova and can even hit with limitless power.
No, I don't. Compared to other people on this site, especially Thor fans, i'm not nearly as bad. Flash is underrated by almost everyone. Flash is more powerful than Superman because of his superior speed and hax. Thor and Sentry aren't even close to Flash in speed. He's outrun death itself, ran so fast it wasn't even a speed anymore, almost destroyed the multiverse by running too fast, and was even mistaken for the source because of the power he was generating. Barry also scales to Wally who's outrun the implosion of the universe and outran the literal speed force itself. That's WAY faster than any of those mentioned characters. Also, he can steal all of their speed to make himself even faster and turn them into statues.
Alien_X
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Team Superman Okay, while I admit that the Hulk would have a hard time landing a hit on Barry, the chance isn't zero, and the Flash couldn't permanently get the Hulk out of this battle either. Hulk has punched through the time stream and tanks universe level hits and blasts. His healing factor is enough to keep him going forever. Barry scales to Wally, but is slower than him, so those feats are what Barry could do at best. Also, the Hulk has no limit to his speed. He just gets angrier and angrier, so just like how he has nigh-infinite strength, he has nearly infinite speed, too.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Hulk (at least base Hulk) can't stay angry forever. He will eventually tire out and run out of anger. It might take a long time, but enough time and damage and he will turn back or get tired. Do you have proof Hulk gets faster when he's angrier? Also, that speed increase only plays into the Flash's favor. The faster Hulk gets, the more speed there is for Barry to steal. So Hulk getting angrier would only make Barry faster.
Alien_X
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Team Superman First of all, it is obvious he gets faster when he is angrier. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets, which also means his legs get stronger, which means he's faster. His reaction time and travel speed are nothing to be overlooked, he has dodged Mjolnir at point blank range and is equal to the speed of Dr. Strange's astral form, which travels at the speed of thought.
Can you give an example of when he tired out and ran out of anger? The only instance of that I can think of was when he fought Sentry, and that is because he has a calming aura.
If Hulk gets faster, then Barry gets faster, which will make Hulk angry, which will make Hulk get faster, which will make Barry faster, which will make Hulk angrier, repeat. See where I'm going? This would just lead to two nearly infinitely fast guys fighting each other and tearing apart the battlefield. The battle is as likely to lead to a draw as having Flash win.
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Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Do you have any proof or examples of that? Those are the only two examples I ever hear for Hulk's speed. I was going to mention sentry or when he fought Superman in that first crossover. I know thereare more instances though. Since when does Sentry have a calming aura?
Barry can phase through Hulk and pull out all of his organs, cancel his essence through vibrations, or even just trap him in the speed force. Hulk wouldn't even have time to get angry.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito You have been known to overrate Superman and Flash. And we've already been through this how Superman and WW are not beating Hulk anytime soon. Hulk getting tired is completely false as I've told you before. Stan Lee himself said so and its common knowledge anyway. Yes Hulk won't stay angry forever but by that point he's won. I've already shown you proof Hulk gets better all round when angered which includes speed. If either @Alien_X or I show you scans (which have already been shown) you'll just ignore it or say the wrong person sent the scans.
See WWH comic or Sentry: Hulk.
Organs would regrow but the process might get Flash trapped within Hulk himself as his body can take in foreign hostiles.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman No, I don't overrate them. You are the one who does the overrating. I've provided dozens of scans to back up what I say, you haven't provided any. You just expect your no limits fallacy to be enough evidence. Just because you don't like what I have to say and you prefer marvel doesn't mean I overrate them. You're wrong about Superman and WW. You are in the minority according to the votes, so don't act like your position on the fights is the right one or is infallible. Ok, you've never sent me such a scan, not once. Don't act like I would ignore it when you haven't even provided any. You just redirect me to other people's research, not your own. The only one who disregards scans here is you, kind of like how you continue to completely ignore the scans I showed of Superman's writer talking about magic, and try to reinterpret his words so you can twist them enough to make it sound like he agrees with you.
I don't redirect you to comics when I give evidence. I show you scans. Do the same for me out of curtiousy.
Flash could phase out of Hulk's body.
Alien_X
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Team Superman @Mr_Incognito:
Those are the only two examples for Hulk's speed? He has feats like regularly fighting speedsters like Quicksilver, Thor, Sentry, Black Bolt, and Silver Surfer, catching Silver Surfer's board out of under him, and more.
Sentry has helped Hulk keep control of his rage before; later, this was revealed to be a product of a calming aura the Sentry can give off, which helped the Hulk work to be a force solely for good and to gain public approval. In Sentry/Hulk Bob calms down Hulk and reverts him back to Bruce Banner while staying in his super form. This is also why he was asked to fight World War Hulk.

You want scans? You got them.

Hulk in a footrace chasing Dr. Strange's astral form, which moves at the speed of thought, which can cross a billion light-years in less than a nanosecond (he also states that he never tires): https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-aa898cd265a174c270bf1ab7b70c7e50-c
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Tyrannus
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Team Captain America Your just saying that now because I've called you out. Again your just outright lying now by saying I've never provided anything. Whenever I finally debunk your lies, you just stop replying. I'm not saying you have to reply back to everything but you can't just act like I never did the things you claim I don't. I even said in the last debate that the cycle goes; you make false claims, I prove you wrong, you stop replying and then repeat the same thing again somewhere else acting like we've never had this conversation before. Your again just falling back on things that were debunked several times already. Almost everything you just said there was plain wrong and mostly ironic coming from you.
Actually you tend to be in the minority. Whenever you've tried to downplay the Hulk, others have come in to tell you your wrong, not just me. You've claimed in the past there's too many Marvel fans here so you feel the need to counteract it with your DC bias. In an attempt to sound less "biased" to you I've even tried leaning more towards DC and downplaying Marvel characters like Hulk and I rightly get called out on it. Instead of doubling down, I accept I was wrong. You don't.
With the case of @Dhruv providing the scans before me, that shouldn't have been a problem especially since I've sent those exact scans before on other pages. You just nit pick until you can't look for anymore reasons to avoid the truth and then disappear. The writers comments on Superman is a good example actually because I beat you there too and like always you left when beat. I actually showed you several scans saying Superman was specifically weak to magic but you still had excuses (and apparently I've never provided any scans eh).
I mentioned those comics so you'd get the full picture and because there is no 1 scan to answer everything. If you can't be asked to read it them take our word on it then instead of trying to dodge as much as you can
He'd be unconscious by that point.
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Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Pff, you haven't called me out. If i'm lying, prove it. Show me all the scans you've supposedly provided. I get tired of going back and forth with you, that's why I stop. Not because I don't have more to add. I don't make false claims, and when I do I admit that i'm wrong. I can't recall a single time that you've thouroughly debunked anything i've said. You need to provide evidence that i'm wrong, not just expect me to take you at your word. Your personal opinion is not enough. You might want to check the votes on the battles again. Yes, I have claimed that. But for the millionth time, I don't vote DC more because i'm biased to the characters. Their characters are generally more powerful, it's how they're written. If you have a problem with that, talk to the writers, not me. In battles that involve the Hulk, that's total BS. You do not lean more towards DC. And you know what? I'm ok with that. I don't mind you voting more for Marvel. I do mind when you talk down to me like you're this supposed "fact machine" when it comes to certain characters, but then you never give me any scans and expect me to take you on nothing but your word. I don't "dissapear." Like i've said before, debating on this site is like pulling teeth. I don't feel like spending hours trying to prove my point to someone who isn't going to believe me anyway. It's a losing battle. You didn't beat me on the Superman battle. You also didn't provide those scans to me, you were responding to someone else and I jumped in. It isn't an excuse. It's an actual writer explaining something.
Or, you could just provide a scan. It's really not that hard. It seems to me like you intentionally don't want to show me any scans because you either don't have any or you just don't want to put in the work.
How? There's no way.

You literally haven't debunked anything i've said. I leave arguments because I get tired of them. I'm more than happy to go back and reply to stuff you've said if you want a response, but then you'd just say I wouldn't have done it if you didn't tell me to.
HolyJoe
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Team Superman @Mr_Incognito I'm not really on anybody's side here, and I don't want you to take it personally or the wrong way, but when you claim you decide to leave debates, people might have the idea that you're actually giving up against them. That's probably the reason why @Tyrannus claims he beat you (which I don't agree/disagree on). "Pulling teeth" is kind of an element when it comes down to debating. Why else would people be asking for evidence from one another if that wasn't the case?
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Tyrannus
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito I did call you out and so did @Alien_X just earlier. Others have too so don't lie (again). I'm not going to go through every single debate we've had with scans just so you can ignore them all over again. I don't lie. I'm getting tired of this back and forth too but you keep repeating the same old false claims which have been disproved many times over now. I'm not saying you have to keep replying back but it just comes across like you ignore it all together when proven wrong when you repeat these false claims again somewhere else.
Whenever you've tried doubting my claims I've always been able to prove it afterwards and what happens afterwards is you'll nit pick it until you can't avoid it anymore and then ignore altogether. You constantly doubting everything I say just sounds like you being petty because I've disproved your false claims before.
I've even told you before I believe DC on average has more powerful characters, I believe the 2 greatest heroes in existence are DC and I have a GL PP this whole time. Yet you still think I'm biased to Marvel because what???
https://www.superherodb.com/forum/top-ten-healing-factors/100-4504/. Proof your wrong but what's going to happen is like usual your going to ignore that and pretend I've never debunked your false claims. And cycle begins again. Its so frustrating because you say so many things which are plain wrong and even if I do show proof you ignore it. So it puts me off having to bother in the first place. You want so badly to make me this "Marvel fanboy" so is easier to not take me seriously but you've been proven outright wrong before. Check the Superman battle again. I debunked your lies.
I feel as though you just don't want to admit your wrong. You can hate the Hulk that's fine. To each their own but if you say things which are plain false, I will call you out.
You are a known liar at this point. I have provided many scans in our debates. Are you willing to stand by that point or do you admit you were wrong?
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America I should clarify that I don't believe you have to have the last say to "win" but if you say something which debunks the false claim and the other person cannot counteract that, they lost the debate.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman I don’t appreciate being called a liar, especially when i’ve given more evidence than you. You have this idea in your head that i hate the Hulk. I don’t. I think it’s a super cool concept for a character and i’m glad he exists. I watched the Hulk movies as a kid and loved them, especially seeing him transform. I will stand by not being a liar. I don’t even understand what you're saying i lied about.
HolyJoe
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Team Superman Also, @Tyrannus, I was the one who was upvoting @Incognito, not himself. Was doing the same for you.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Ok, well that’s a kind of petty way of thinking. When i’ve debated @SirSpidey (and clearly won) and @Dark_Wing (cool guy) i’ve had to make boatloads of replies, many times five or six paragraphs in length. It’s quite taxing.

When Dark and I debated on my comment section, there would be times where for weeks or even months he wouldn’t reply, but i never automatically assumed that he gave up or that he conceded I won. I assumed he was busy or no longer had the desire to continue the debate. However, me saying that I won is pretty unfair to him. Sometimes he also just forgot to reply, which I can understand. I’ve done that too. Just because he hadn’t answered me doesn’t mean I was right or that I debunked him. Debunking someone’s claims lies on the preponderance of the evidence, not how long they take to reply.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman @Joe I just mean you can never win with some people.
And yeah, i don’t like my own comments. At least give me that ;)
HolyJoe
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Team Superman Yeah, you just can't win 'em all.
I was upvoting you both there when you had a discussion on that.
Alien_X
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Team Superman The fact that my comment started this heated debate kind of makes me feel guilty :(
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Well he started it, like usual. I just wanted to talk to you 1v1. No biggie though.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito I don't like being accused of never producing any evidence but here we are. The difference with @Dark_Wing is that he's made it clear he can't always reply very quickly and neither can I which is why I'm replying late. However the reason why I say I won those debates is because whenever I disprove your point, you've never been able to contest them, or you try and make as many excuses around it as possible. I've had debates with @jongensoden where I've forgotten to reply and he reminds me later on. I wouldn't be offended if he assumed he won however because from his point of view I was unable to contest him. And actually you kind of started this debate when you replied to @Alien_X. I joined in later on so for you to imply its my fault is petty.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman You haven’t disproved them! And i’ve contested you countless times. I don’t use excuses, i use evidence. It’s nobody’s “fault” i’m just mentioning that it got more heated when you joined.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Why do you keep copying the format of my comments? lol. They say mimicry is the highest form of flattery.
Well now you know you didn’t win. I’ll keep going if you so desire.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America I do because we've had this debate many times and on certain things you'll be unable to disprove what I said several times. And I have seen you uses excuses to try and get out of accepting the truth. One example was on whether Superman had sun dipped before he attacked World Forger I believe.
What have I copied from you? I always answer like this.
I don't necessarily want to win or keep going I want you to accept what we say instead of ignoring it and repeating the same ting somewhere else.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman How was that an excuse? I just didn’t remember if that was in the same comic. It turned out you were right about that one, i did my own research.
Well, a lot of times i don’t agree with your logic. I only would accept things that i agree with.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America Your own research which I had to tell you about. My point was you keep trying to doubt me when I have no reason to lie. Its a good thing I remembered that comic or else you wouldn't have believed me there either.
What logic? Facts are facts.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Well, I have just as much reason to doubt you as you do me, because i've proved you wrong just as many times. You're right, I probably wouldn't have until you gave me proof. It's better to be skeptical than to accept something just because someone tells you it's right.
Many of your arguments aren't based around verifiable evidence. It's just "Hulk will just get stronger" and "Hulk has great reaction speed" without much in the way of proof.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America When have you proven me wrong? I get being sceptical of others pretty much anywhere else but on this site people here tend to know their stuff which I why I really like SHBD. I say those things because I've proved it before and to be fair it is pretty well known at this point.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Numerous times in various battles, with scans provided. You need to prove it with more than your words.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America The irony is you need to prove that last statement with scans instead of making blank statements. And for the record I do. You not only don't, you've lied and been very biased.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman Go look at our past debates. Look at my debates with others in general. You really haven’t. I haven’t lied about anything unless I was actually mistaken, which i’ve since revised. You’re pretty biased yourself, I wouldn’t be hypocritical if i were you. The difference is that I admit that i vote for dc characters more because of how they’re written. I have admitted i vote for dc more while you act like you aren’t biased at all, which is laughably wrong.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America Again the irony is if I told you to do the same (and I think I have) you wouldn't believe me so why should I believe you know. You need to show me actual proof instead of making these blank statements.
I feel as though your just calling me biased and throwing the same accusations my way in retaliation because I've said the same things to you. And that the difference between you and I. I don't care if their DC, Marvel or whatever. I vote for whoever will actually win regardless of who they are.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman I have done the same. Very few have been provided. If you actually had, i would believe you. You know that i’ve shown plenty of evidence. That sentence is pretty ironic considering that’s exactly what you do.
No, it’s not in retaliation. I mean, you’ve claimed Hulk beats the entire JLA and your only proof is that “Hulk gets stronger.” You clearly have a bias, don’t act like you always vote for who actually wins. You have your favorites just like everyone else. The difference is that I admit it, you don’t. You try to deny it.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America The funny thing is you still haven't shown me any proof that you've apparently proved me wrong and yet you want me to show you proof yet again and to top it all off you call me hypercritical!
You wanted proof that you a liar and here you are giving me all the proof I need.
I've said more that "Hulk gets stronger" but that's all you want to remember probably because I provided evidence you were unable to contest. I've shown you scans, I've given you quotes from Stan Lee, Peter David and Dan Jurgens but you ignore them all. Just because you don't want to accept the end result. We both know at this point Hulk wins but you don't want to admit it.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman You haven’t either. You’re the one constantly saying i’m a liar and you’ve debunked me yet you’ve failed to show how. Why should i give proof if you refuse to? That ain’t hypocritical.
Um, not really. Besides a few other blanket statements and the very occasional scan. You need to get it through your skull that just because i haven’t responded yet doesn’t mean i can’t contest what you’ve said. I’ve seen very few scans, i’ve given you quotes from Tom breevort and Kurt buseik, and not only have you tried to deny them, you try to twist their words. How the f*ck do we “both know” that the Hulk ON HIS OWN beats Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Aquaman at the same time? The first three on their own are already on his level. If you expect me to agree with you on that, then i don’t know what to tell you. Most of the time you’re. a pretty logical guy, but it seems like it goes out the window when it comes to Hulk:
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America Your still avoiding the question. When have you proven me wrong? You keep avoiding it and moving round the question instead. You tend to do this when cornered or have been proven wrong. If you don't answer the question then that once again proves me right.
I've already addressed my position on answering last but again you've ignored it.
I'm starting to think more and more your just trolling because I don't understand how you keep pretending you've never been told something when its been repeated many times.
You twisted Kurt's words not I. You lied by saying he said magic is NOT a weakness but when we actually saw the tweet that wasn't the case at all. Meanwhile I sent several scans showing Superman is weak to magic but you conveniently forgot those and accused me of never sending scans.
I've never actually put very strong arguments for Hulk beating Flash so your just putting words into my mouth. And what you don't get is while they are on Hulk's level, Hulk doesn't stay on that level. Stan Lee and other Superman writers have said Hulk would win but you just can't accept it. Why is that so offensive? And to be fair I talk about many other heroes too and have made similar arguments for others but you focus on Hulk.
Mr_Incognito
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Team Superman I told you when. Many of your claims that Hulk beats certain characters have been thoroughly refuted.
Your. words. don’t. count. You saying something is true doesn’t make it so.
Actually, if you go back and look, it’s up for debate. I said this to @Spidey. Some say he is and some say he isn’t. One of those scans was also pre-crisis, but that’s irrelevant. Dude, ok. This is an example of YOU lying. I’ve quoted him about a thousand times, and i’m honestly just baffled you still won’t even accept his quote. This is a guy who wrote Superman comics saying he isn’t specially weakened by it, he’s just affected like anyone else. I’m honestly just at a loss for words how you can read that and still deny it.
Oh, i’m not offended at all. Stan Lee has not written any of Superman’s new or current material. Last one i remember him writing was in 2001-2002 before the reboot. I know, i just disagree with you when it comes to hulk.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America Like what? Give me examples of these refutes. Until then its just another lie.
Irony.
He never said that magic is NOT a weakness. He never used those exact words. Its mentioned too many times in several comics for you to deny it. Also another problem is that you, like Kurt assume that we're saying magic's mere presence melts Superman, which is how Kurt addressed that question. Your just making us sound worse than what we're actually saying like when you accuse me of no limits fallacy with Hulk (which has been refuted).
Stan Lee knows Hulk better than either of us so when you make your false assumptions on the Hulk that's like you saying you know more than Stan. Dan Jurgens (who wrote many Superman titles) and Peter David (who wrote for both) also said Hulk would win.
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Team Superman Ok, well same for you. You didn’t give any proof either. Hulk vs WW, i have refuted that Hulk would be immune to her atom cutting sword.
You didn’t refute the no limits fallacy. You normally avoided answering when i brought it up, and gave a pretty bad excuse when you did.
Ok, i’m pretty sure they said he could beat Superman, not would. I honestly don’t care about their opinions on the fight.
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Team Captain America I asked first. Your just saying this now in retaliation. We both know you weren't able to refute me before because you wouldn't be hesitating like you are now.
Actually I did answer that every time you've brought it up. By your assumption that means Hulk would eventually beat beings like the LT and TOAA which is just wrong. How is that a bad excuse?
Stan Lee said he'd guarantee Hulk would win and Peter David and Dan Jurgens said they believed Hulk would prevail. How much clearer can you get?
You won't listen to me, evidence from the comics, well known writers and even the creator himself. There really can't be any doubt now. You just don't want to accept Hulk will win.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 16 d
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Team Superman Oh, I absolutely was. You’re just blinded by your love for the Hulk. Stop making these “we both know” statements. You know damn well i don’t agree with you, so stop doing that.
Yeah, and like i’ve said before many people on other sites have argued just that. There was a whole thread on comic vine about how Hulk beats the Living Tribunal by getting angrier. I’ve seen some similar stuff happening here too. It’s a bad excuse because you know it’s your central argument, so you have to find a way to keep it legit.
Again, that’s the opinion of those writers. Others would see it differently, especially since Superman has had the upper hand more than once when they’ve fought in the past.
Ok, neither will you. Scans, words from writers, my personal calcs, etc. There’s plenty of reason to doubt you. That’s because Hulk wouldn’t win. It’s really that simple. Hulk is not beating the entire justice league simultaneously. Even other marvel fans on this site admit that. Look at the votes on this battle and on JLA v Avengers. You are not in the majority, so quit acting like your view is infallible.
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Tyrannus 2 mo 15 d
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Team Captain America So there we have it. You weren't able to disprove me ever and told another lie.
What love of Hulk? Because I'm able to disprove your false claims about him?
Again your trying to put words into my mouth. I've never claimed Hulk can ever beat LT. Your arguing something that doesn't exist. There's a huge difference between saying Hulk beats Superman and saying he beat LT.
The credibility of those writers couldn't get any higher. Your happy to use writers like Kurt when talking about weakness to magic but if they say anything that goes against your narrative, you don't accept it. And for the record, Superman has never had the upper hand in any fight against Hulk. 1st fight Hulk got a KO, 2nd was Professor Hulk (and fan voted), 3rd was inconclusive with Hulk sending Superman to space just by flexing.
The scans, writers and facts all say Hulk wins. All you've done is make empty claims which were revealed to be lies later on. Doesn't look good.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 15 d
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Team Superman Not a lie and not true.
It’s pretty obvious you’re a big fan of the Hulk, hopefully you’re at least self aware enough to admit that.
Funny, the whole narrative thing is just as applicable to you too. Well Superman exhausted Hulk in the first one, second one i still count, and third one Superman got in a good number of hits. So clearly the “facts” don’t agree with you. Funny you say scans when you never actually provide any.
Well, you haven’t showed how i’ve lied and how my claims are empty, so until you do those are also empty claims.
Tyrannus
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Team Captain America It says your latest reply was a day before mine yet it came after. Not sure what time travel glitch is going on here.
If its not a lie and not true then prove me wrong. Show me an example. Until then you've lied again.
I do like Hulk yes but its really not as much as you make it out. Who I like and who I vote for are independent of each other.
I don't have a narrative because I listen when faced with evidence. Even recently @EmptyHand showed me something by Al Ewing which forced me to change my mind. Instead of accusing both of being biased I accepted the facts. Do the same because the facts stack against you.
1. Superman never actually beat Hulk (when you previously lied and claimed he won)
2. If you count that then that proves your bias further. That's like if Hulk beat Superboy and I counted it as a win over Superman. Also if he struggled with the weakest Hulk then base Hulk stomps.
3. Hulk got more impressive hits but that's subjective and yet somehow you gave the win to Superman.
And yes the facts do agree with me because I've shown you the comics, powers and the writers all backing the Hulk. I don't need to provide a scan every reply.
See the beginning.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 12 d
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Team Superman Shhh... I’m from the future.
Ok? I didn’t see that, you’re acting like i’m supposed to know that happened. If the facts are so stacked against me, prove it. Also prove it to the other 300+ people who have also put Superman ahead and who wouldn’t agree. If the facts were so clear, I doubt Superman would be ahead by that much.
1. Superman was raking blows from Hulk without budging. Hulk ended up exhausting himself and turning back into Banner. No, Superman didn’t knock him out, but i still would count that as a win. Most websites i’ve found agree.
2. That analogy doesn’t work. Superboy is an entirely different character, not a different version of Superman.
3. Well that was mainly determined by a website I came across, but i did read the comic and Superman got in some good hits. So even if I concede it’s a tie (which i will) then your claim Hulk would win is further refuted.
Last part i’m going to stop responding to because you’re just incorrect.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 mo 12 d
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Team Captain America Prove it! I just did. I disproved your false claims on Hulk, I've (or more recently @Dhruv) have shown you scans, veteran writers of both Hulk and Superman and even Stan the man Lee have all said Hulk wins. This is why we go in circles. I prove it and 2 replies later you forget. Batman has a third of the vote against Superman despite the fact that he should get insta-killed. Popularity skews the vote.
1. Doesn't matter because it was Hulk who was able to get a KO not Superman. And Hulk reverted back after the machine broke. Bare in mind they put Hulk at mountain tier even though he'd previously destroyed planets before.
2. The power difference is the same. Professor Hulk was far FAR weaker.
3. Actually no because the fight got interrupted. Hulk merely flexing surprised Superman by how fast he was and said he was stronger than anything he'd gone up against.
You claimed you proved me wrong then refused to prove it. What part of that was incorrect?
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 12 d
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Team Superman Trust me. Popularity isn’t everything on this site. Thor is somehow ahead of Superman, despite the popularity. So is Thanos.
1. When did he K.O. Superman in that comic? Superman was clearly holding back anyways. Hulk wasn’t “mountain tier,” they were describing how his punches were getting stronger.
2. Superboy isn’t even technically a kryptonian. Of course they’d write it to be somewhat balanced, i’m pretty sure fans would be pissed if superman one shot the Hulk.
3. Agreed. But that doesn’t mean Hulk would win. Superman said the same thing about Thor but laid him out.
You say you give proof but you always fail to do so. I’m just confused honestly
Taurus
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Team Captain America True, popularity isn't everything, but its almost everything. A decent rule of thumb for comic book characters is the more fans they have, the more haters they have.
Is this inaccurate?

Batman, Cyborg, and Aquaman vs Hulk*
Flash* vs Hawkeye and Cap
WW vs Wolverine and Iron Man*
Supes* vs Spider
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Flash and Supes vs enraged Hulk, Wolverine, and Iron Man* (Iron Man most likely will be taken out)
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Tyrannus 2 mo 11 d
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Team Captain America Thanos is a league ahead of Superman and Thor has several things going for him against Superman. Batman however stands no chance whats so ever against Superman yet he has 1/3 of votes.
1.
So if Hulk was getting stronger he was going to beat him. You do know Hulk holds back too.
2. You missed the point. The power difference between Superman and Superboy is like Professor Hulk and normal Hulk.
3. Yes and he was so weak after Thor that the Avengers dog piling him took Superman down.
That's 2 things you've clearly lied about now. We both know I have shown you evidence (there's even a scan in this reply). And again your refusing to give proof on apparently disproving me before because you can't. Next time you claim you don't lie I'll remind you of this example.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 11 d
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Team Superman 1. Ok, so you lied. Hulk never knocked Superman out. He just got in a good punch.
2. Again, no. Two different characters.
3. Yeah, i’m not disputing that. He was weak afterwards. You haven’t either. There was literally no lie happening here besides you. You claimed Hulk knocked Superman out when that didn’t happen, so you’re actually the one that lied, not me.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 11 d
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Team Superman @Taurus There’s no way that WW loses to wolverine and iron man. Flash and Superman would both not lose to Hulk, that’s ridiculous.
Taurus
Taurus 2 mo 10 d
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito You're right they tie. Wolverine scales to base Hulk, plus Iron Man is there for support.
Most likely Supes and Flash can take him out when he's just transformed, but once he's that mad I'm giving it to Hulk 6/10.
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Team Superman Hulk has beaten the piss out of Logan every time they’ve fought, minus the time he cut out of Hulks stomach. Iron man is pretty insignificant.
I disagree considering the speed advantage and versatility of both characters
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Tyrannus 2 mo 10 d
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito 1. Did you actually read the comic or do you just look at cherry picked scans? The comic describes his body as limb. Superman wasn't able to do the same. Your just trying to throw the same accusations my way any chance you get.
2. I didn't say their the same character I literally said the power difference is comparable.
You lied about me never proving anything I say and you lied about the time you apparently disproved me. You just being petty now trying to accuse me of the same things.
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Team Superman 1. Yes. But K.O. means Superman was unconscious. You said he was, which isn’t true.
2. That was the implication.
When did I ever say you “never prove anything” you say? You certainly don’t very often, but I don’t recall ever saying never. I didn’t lie, since you never managed to refute that. If you can call me out, i can call you out. Stay out of the streets if you can’t take the heat.
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Tyrannus 2 mo 9 d
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Team Captain America 1. Can you prove he wasn't?
2. I didn't even imply it. I kept saying its the power difference.
I show proof when needed. Whenever you've asked its been shown. I did refute you because I repeatedly asked for proof and you avoided or outright refused. Therefore you were lying the whole time. That last part made no sense at all.
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Mr_Incognito 2 mo 9 d
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Team Superman 1. The scan you showed doesn’t show him knocked out. He was jarred for sure, but not knocked out.
2. I don’t agree
I also don’t agree with that. I gave you proof when you asked, don’t tell me i didn’t. I wasn’t lying! Just chill with calling people liars. It’s an expression, it just means don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
Can we end this thread? Good lord, it’s like 65 replies long. I didn’t even realize.
Tyrannus
Tyrannus 2 mo 9 d
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Team Captain America 1. When your KO'd you go limp.
2. I literally say "The power difference between Superman and Superboy is like Professor Hulk and normal Hulk" not the characters themselves.
You haven't because even now you won't give me an example of you successfully refuting me. You just go round the question instead of actually answering it. So until that empty claim is proven, its a lie.
I know what the expression means but it didn't make sense here.
We can. Just stop lowballing the Hulk.
Taurus
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Team Captain America Wow I'd never thought I'd merit to witness @Mr_Incognito actually debate in favor of the Hulk. Yes, Iron Man is pretty insignificant. So I guess WW does have a slight edge, but she won't be able to beat them before Hulk beats his lot. Speed advantage maybe, they could be tired but Hulk for sure isn't, they could run away I guess.
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Team Superman Do you seriously think Hulk, who is fighting Flash and Superman at the same time, is going to beat them faster than WW beats two characters who aren’t even meta humans? Flash and Superman are both out of Hulk’s league when it comes to speed, especially Barry. Barry can run indefinitely with the speed force.
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Alien_X 2 mo 5 d
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Team Superman Sorry to break up this heated debate, but can you please debate somewhere else? This is flooding my notifications.
Taurus
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Team Captain America @Mr_Incognito I meant Hulk's original opponents.

@Alien_X I think there's not much more to discuss.

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