Team Lucifer MorningstarvsTeam Rune King Thor

not voted I just found out on this site that the House of Ideas character can beat Elaine Belloc.

not voted Nyx and Vision got Omnipotent, I could argue Thanos deserved Omnipotent more than them.

Team Rune King Thor also rune king thor :P

not voted Im fine with pinging unless its matches which make me rage because you can't really debate about it

Team Rune King Thor Team 1 easily beats RKT and Thanos but they are easily defeated by Vision And Nyx.

Team Rune King Thor Agreed.

Team Rune King Thor What's with everyone downvoting Akhil?

Team Lucifer Morningstar He deserves it for changing the stats of characters he likes and downgrading others based on no valid justifications.

Team Rune King Thor @Mr_Incognito I don't understand what your obsession with me is but if you not having a proper refute to what someone else says to justify a downgrade, then zip it cause in this instance, your statement holds no weight.

Team Lucifer Morningstar I really don’t care about you that much dude. And no, I’m not going to zip it since you’ve taken editing rights from characters I’ve personally added to the database without even giving me a chance to justify their stats. Or, I leave justifications in the comments and you still change their stats anyway. Basically, you are completely untouchable by anyone and whatever you say goes. And that isn’t right.

Team Rune King Thor Have you ever thought that maybe your explanations weren't good enough? You were assigning abilities like nigh-omnipotence and omnipotence to characters who don't fit the standards to have it and when confronted, your explanation didn't cut it. You also did that several times, so no, that wouldn't apply over and over again. Plus, you adding a character to the database doesn't mean only you can edit them. The reason I took them before you finished is stated above.

Also, no. I'm not untouchable. If I was, Alien X wouldn't have been upgraded (I did that for y'all) and Lex Luthor certainly wouldn't have been downgraded 2 tiers lower than he should have been, especially when a good chunk of the people arguing for his downgrade didn't even know him that well. Mods are not untouchable and have never been so. That has been shown over and over again. The only time it might seem that way is when users whine and complain nonstop about someone not being upgraded / downgraded or you know, keep downvoting EVERY, single comment from a user which might not even be in relation to a specific thing.

Team Lucifer Morningstar Good enough by who’s standards? Just yours? What are the justifications for you changing RKT to 465B? You require more evidence for certain characters than others based on which ones you like more. Basically, people who add characters to this site have to live with the fact that at any moment their editing rights could be ripped away before they even have a chance to justify them, and even if they do you can just decide “nah that’s not enough evidence for me” and change the characters anyway. Meanwhile, you change certain Marvel characters and blow their stats way out of proportion with no justification at all. You are abusing your power over others on this site and I don’t like that.

Team Rune King Thor @Mr_Incognito No. Not just mine. There have been several users that have disagreed with your edits in the past so I'm not the only one out. The site doesn't randomly give characters nigh-omnipotent nowadays. It has evolved past that. Never have I assigned omnipotence or nigh-omnipotence baselessly and quite clearly, you've already messed up your whole point. I didn't upgrade Rune King Thor to anything. I am fine with different interpretations. All I did was support what SupremeDreams and some other users argued because at the end of the day, no one debunked their arguments and what they presented there was proven and supported by the comics it came from.

You're one of the only users I've taken characters from like that and I've spoken with you on why I did it. Your justifications were not valid and have been debunked several times, whether that be for argumentum ad populum or for quite literally breaking what counts as nigh-omnipotence and that wasn't just for you nor was it just for other franchises besides Marvel or DC if that's what you're getting at. I argued against it for Infinity Gauntlet users and the Sword of Superman profile.

Look at the above point for Marvel. I whatsoever do not blow their stats out of proportion. If you think there's a profile that has bad stats, go and argue for it over there. Don't drag all of it onto a user or two. You didn't even know who edited Rune King Thor and yet, you brought it onto me. Three users edited Rune King Thor after I did it last and several times too, might I add. If you don't know what you're talking about it, then don't.

@TashPuddle You and your buddies did nothing to prove why any of those franchises are are strong enough to get the rating they should have except harass users on Discord and here. Oh, and also, I upgraded DC from what it was previously at so that point kind of fails.

@Jessica_05 Patience please. I never said I wouldn't upgrade her. I'm a bit busy rn but when I get a chance, I'll look over it but yes, I do agree with her requiring an upgrade since that profile reflects on her at full power.

Team Lucifer Morningstar @Akhilpdx Providing you a lot of communities that agree with my position isn’t argument as populum because that’s not the only evidence I give. For example, I added the zone child to the database. In the comments, I gave an explanation as to why it is omnipotent, straight from his DC page online. You still changed it anyway. If you think the evidence I gave isn’t enough, ASK me to give you more instead of just taking the character for yourself. It’s funny that you’re accusing me of ad populum when literally your first point is exactly that. Also, no, besides once or twice where my scaling was incorrect, people haven’t been “debunking” my points. Tahsin for example has tried to but others have proven him wrong. Just stop abusing your power over users on this site, people with clear biases shouldn’t hold so much sway here.

Team Rune King Thor @TashPuddle I didn't even edit Spectre or the Presence recently so, once more, you're spreading false information. The Writer didn't even deserve the stats he had and that was proven numerous times by many different people.

@Mr_Incognito All I said was that I wasn't the only one who disagreed with your edits. I'm not reposting their arguments and going "well, these people also agree with it so clearly it must be true." A large portion (not all but large nonetheless) of your refute to the Writer stuff involved pasting stuff from wikis which is not what should ever be used to determine a character's power. As for Tahsin, he's proven you wrong before as well so nice try there. Also, nice try with the Zone Child because you literally said it yourself there. Evidence from the DC wiki is not evidence. Those wikis state nigh-omnipotence for so many characters who don't have it. We're not editing profiles based on those.

Team Lucifer Morningstar If you don’t consider my evidence enough, ask me for more. Don’t just steal my editing rights from me. There’s really no point in even arguing with you about the writer since you won’t change him no matter what, despite the large amounts of evidence he’s the omnipotent character of DC, including words from GM himself. Tahsin literally just gish gallops his way through everything. Just because he spams as many scans as he can doesn’t mean he’s right. I’ve also proven his debunks incorrect numerous times.

Team Rune King Thor There's a difference between doing it once and doing it multiple times and you did it multiple times with the same explanation without listening to reason. Either the wiki or someone having control over the building blocks of the big bang. Not even going to address the Writer point because I've said it dozens of times already. I never said you didn't debunk a debunk or whatever but from what I've seen, you have failed in the past as well. I don't keep track of your record but I very well know that Tahsin doesn't just "gish gallop" his way through everything by spamming scans.

Team Lucifer Morningstar It’s not that hard to just ask. The thing about the writer is that you’re just wrong. All you have is an assumption that he’s limited to limbo even though he just showed up there. Doesn’t mean he was limited to it. Tahsin just cusses people out and can’t even speak English.

Team Rune King Thor Incongito's right about Tahsin at least.
He's also right about RKT. There's about a billion characters that should have those stats above him.

Team Rune King Thor If it's the same fallacious evidence presented every, single time, then there's no point in asking. Otherwise, of course I'd ask. Not even going over the Writer stuff because there's more to it than that which you know. Tahsin also does more than just cussing people out although I will admit that he does the latter quite a bit. "Can't even speak English" though can be seen as a bit offensive though considering... well, you know, he's spoken English a lot.

Team Rune King Thor Perhaps that was a harsh way for him to say it, but he's right about Tahsin none the less. He didn't come close to out debating Mr Incognito.

not voted Team 1 does not stomp. They win in a good fight