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LordTracer
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Team Krona Krona is basically a bootleg White Lantern. He's far, far, FAR stronger than anyone on Team II. He can do this on his own.
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soratoumiga
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not voted He really isn't stronger than Eclipso.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Eclipso is inferior to Spectre, who Krona far outshadows in power.
soratoumiga
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not voted Eclipso is barely weaker than Spectre. Krona never defeated Spectre nor someone on level od Spectre. In fact, he got killed by Hal Jordan, who is nowhere near the power level of Eclipso.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Krona has the powers of Parallax, who already beat Spectre, and Ion, who is equal to Parallax. So how is he not superior to Spectre?
soratoumiga
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not voted Krona having those powers is a one time thing. Base Krona isn't even Odin level.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Krona's one main (canon) appearance had him with the powers of the emotional embodiments. And Base Krona is multiversal, so he's far superior to Odin.
soratoumiga
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not voted He had more appearances. Just because it isn't canon doesn't mean we can't use it. Without the Embodiements, he is below Odin. Barely Universal.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Oh, so then we can use Avengers/JLA Krona, who is far above Odin, as he made Galactus his bitch. And canon Krona is a Guardians, all of whom are multiversal, which is above Odin.
soratoumiga
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not voted We can use non-canon versions who are non-canon within their own fictional universe. Guardians are not multiversal...
LordTracer
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Team Krona It's non-canon, you can't use it. We have never been able to use non-canon material. And Guardians are multiversal via scaling to Hal Jordan.
soratoumiga
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not voted Then how can we use Thanos with HOTU when it's non-canon? What scaling?
LordTracer
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Team Krona Because Heart of the Universe itself is non-canon. It doesn't exist in the actual canon. And, as I've gone over a few times now, Hal has contended with, and sometimes overpowered, a casual Parallax quite a few times now.
LordTracer
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Team Krona He also one-shot Amazo, who had the powers of the entire Justice League.
soratoumiga
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not voted Yeah... That's what I was saying. Send me the scans/issues, please.
soratoumiga
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not voted The first one was hax. Hal tricked Amazo and suprisingly attacked him. He didn't overpower. As for the other scans, those Parallaxes were with a host and were not as powerful as Parallax itself.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Shooting someone in the back is not hax. Magic, time manipulation, reality warping, that's hax. Parallax does not follow The Spectre rule. He doesn't get weaker with a host. In fact, when he took down Spectre, it was when Parallax had Hal Jordan as his host. And one of those scans had Hal breaking out of the hold of Parallax, who did not have a host.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted It's not even hax, he cheap shotted an INCOMPLETE Amazo that Wonder Woman was blocking literally all of his attacks before hand, and it wasn't even a one shot, Amazo just took some damage and casually left to make repairs.
soratoumiga
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not voted Magic, reality warping, time manipulation... Seems that you're describing Scarlet Waifu. And yes, that was hax. He did not overpower, he just attacked him out of surprise.
LordTracer
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Team Krona That's not what hax is. And attack potency = durability, so Amazo had multiversal durability.
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@Soulcollecter57, Wonder Woman blocking his attacks is irrelevant. And did you not see where Amazo said; "Damage: severe. Solution: retreat." So he didn't just take "some damage."
soratoumiga
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not voted Attack potency isn't always equal to durability, you said it yourself.
LordTracer
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Team Krona No, I said SHIELDS are not always equal to attack potency and durability.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted It does have relevant because she was able to hold him off on her own so Amazo was clearly weaker. Yeah it was severe, but it wasn't a on shot, a one shot means he completely destroyed or incapacitated him, he did not because Amazo simply phased out of there, so while it hurt him it was not a one shot.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Wonder Woman's bracelets are indestructible, as I recall, so her blocking his shots are irrelevant. Since Amazo said the damage was severe, and his best option was to retreat, it can logically be assumed that he would have died if he didn't leave and make repairs.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted That doesn't discredit the fact that it was a weaker Amazo, nowhere near his full power.
LordTracer
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Team Krona He had the powers of the entire Justice League. How much closer to full power could he possibly be?
Soulcollecter57
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not voted He clearly didn't, because otherwise he would have easily taken out both Wonder Woman and Hal Jordan, just like he did every other time when he bodied the entire Justice League, and that doesn't make sense, if he had the powers of every member of the Justice League at that point in time, then that means he had the added power of Hal Jordan, so that is PIS simply because that means he one shotted a version of himself with the additional power of every other Justice League member and that is illogical.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Hal wasn't a part of the JL at that time. He had the power of Kyle Rayner, but not Hal.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted Kyle Rayner is barely weaker than Hal Jordan, so if it was just him Hal should win, but then you add on Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, etc. and Hal should not be capable of one shotting him UNLESS he was a weaker version of himself, one that was incomplete.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Hal = Multiversal (at least 1000x universal)
Wonder Woman + Kyle Rayner + Superman + Wally West + Zatanna + Black Lightning = Multi-Universal (At most 1000x universal)
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So, Hal could one-shot Amazo with the full power of the Justice League.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted HA! Okay, if that's what you actually believe then I'll leave you with your fan blindness, because there is no way someone fallen that far down the rabbit hole can have their mind changed.
LordTracer
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Team Krona 1000x universal is the definition of multiversal. And Hal beating Parallax four different times is multiversal power. The rest of the League does not stack up to that power. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you an excuse to call me a fanboy.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted Hal Jordan is at most capable of destroying ONE universe, but to call him Multiversal is borderline ridiculous he has not shown anything even close to that level of destructive power. Paralax is barely Multiversal (not even), and the ONLY REASON Hal even stands a chance is because hope is because fear has a weakness to will why else do you think Sinestro went from well above Hal to below? Because he choose fear which has a weakness to will, and that is very evident in the series that lantern cores have a weakness to others of a certain color. But that doesn't change the fact that Paralax is at the highest Multiversal.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Parallax defeated The Spectre, he is high multiversal. And Hal was able to hold his own and overpower him at some points. That's multiversal power.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted When the hell did Paralax defeat Specter? With a host maybe, but Specter is not High Multiversal until he becomes unbound Specter, Aztar Specter is base Multiversal only scratching the surface, and that is proven when Anti-Monitor (someone who is easily Multiversal) was stronger than Aztar Specter and Unbound would be only be in the higher end of Multiversal, and Paralax would lose to Aztar Specter who is base Multiversal via. scaling so Paralax is below Multiversal.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Zero Hour. He defeated unbound Spectre. And Spectre was unbound when he fought Anti-Monitor.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted What evidence do you have that Specter was unbound? And if that is the case, that makes the feat all the less impressive since Unbound Specter was weaker than Anti-Monitor so Unbound Specter is barely Multiversal, with help from Earth's heroes. Except I still doubt it was Unbound that fought Paralax.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Spectre still fears Parallax, long after the events of Zero Hour. If he had a host, Spectre would have known Parallax only won because he had a host. But he doesn't. And soon after Zero Hour, Spectre resurrected Hal to be his host. Losing to a high multiversal entity doesn't make you multiversal. The definition of high multiversal states: "Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums." Note the word infinite. If you fought with a being who has the power to destroy infinite multiverses, you can too. You're not just going to drop to finite because you were barely defeated.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted I never said unbound wasn't Multiversal, I said he was on the lower end barely making the cut, so he is Multiversal just on the lower half, and what evidence do you have that Specter "fears" Paralax?
Soulcollecter57
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not voted Not to mention Paralax had Hal Jordan as a host so he was clearly boosted by that fact.
LordTracer
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Team Krona The low end of infinity is still infinity. And during the Blackest Night/Brightest Day storyline, Hal, Sinestro and some others determine that Spectre is afraid of Parallax. And I'm pretty sure Parallax doesn't get amped by his hosts.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted A group of people ASSUMED he was afraid, Specter himself never said or admitted it so they are wrong, unless proven by Specter himself, and if it's because he didn't intervene that's stupid because he doesn't care for matter that doesn't concern him personally. And if having a host doesn't make him stronger why the hell would he even bother to get a host in the first place that's just illogical and makes no sense, it obviously make shim stronger.
AkhilPDX
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not voted Hal Jordan is nowhere CLOSE to multiversal. Like @soratoumiga said, Krona is slightly weaker than Odin. Crossover Krona was buffed and Galactus was nerfed, again crossovers aren't canon, so no one cares.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Why does Spectre take a host? It makes him weaker, so what's the point there? They don't have a reason for doing that, and Parallax has never been shown to be stronger with a host than without.
@AkhilPDX Yeah, I said crossovers weren't canon. Why are you reiterating what I said?
Soulcollecter57
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not voted So your going to sit there and tell me, that Parallax using the possession of Hal Jordan would be just as strong as regular Parallax, and that they do it for no reason? Get out pf here with that bull ****, Specter using a host is different than Parallax using one, because Specter gives the host a portion of his power to fight on his behalf since he does not care enough to do it himself, and when he possessed the Flash he got a lot faster, meaning the hosts DO give him a BOOST, and they amp him because Parallax feeds off the host's fear making him stronger whereas Specter's hosts do not give him power. Specter gives them power, but Parallax uses the host's fear to power himself up more, you of all people should know that.
LordTracer
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Team Krona He gains their attributes like their superpowers, but they do not add any power to him. Parallax is high multiversal, which means he can destroy infinite universes. All of his hosts, who aren't on that level add nothing. Infinite + Finite = Infinity. There is no difference in Parallax's power.
SirSpidey
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not voted In which comic has Parallax destroyed a Multiverse?
Soulcollecter57
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not voted Except no, being Multiversal does not mean you have infinite power, otherwise every Multiversal being stalemates TOAA because just like him they have infinite power, that a logical fallacy, that's why dimensional tiering exists to separate the "infinities" and there is something above infinity dawg, otherwise Superman lifting the "infinitely" heavy book means he has the same strength as TOAA because infinity. Parallax is at most infinite 3rd dimensional, someone who is forth dimensional is infinitely above him, a 5th dimensional being would be infinitely above him and so on and so forth, saying what you said makes no sense.
SirSpidey
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not voted Superman has never even budged the Book of Infinite Pages. It was Ultraman who carried it to the Ultima Thule
LordTracer
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Team Krona The very definition of high multiversal says; "infinite 4-dimensional space-time continuums." Parallax, due to scaling from Spectre and Anti-Monitor, has infinite 4D power. He doesn't have infinite power, he's not omnipotent, but he has infinite 4D power. And adding on Hal Jordan, Superman, Sinestro, etc, beings with finite 4D power, is not going to add anything of significance to Parallax.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted When the hell has Parallax destroyed a timeline? And all the people you listed after are only within the 3rd dimension of power, just like Parallax is only infinite 3rd dimensional at most.
SirSpidey
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not voted What do you mean the "very definition?" We aren't going by what some random kid from the internet pulled out of his ass @LordTracer. If you are going to give us a definition, give us something official. Anyways, in which comic has the Spectre and Anti-Monitor destroyed a Multiverse?
LordTracer
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Team Krona Parallax was explicitly stated in Zero Hour to be causing universes and timelines to collapse. And destroying a single 4D universe, or a timeline is universal+ level power, which is where Superman ranks. Hal and Sinestro are multiversal, so they have 4D power. The Hulk has infinite 3D power. Thor has infinite 3D power. Parallax, The Spectre and all on that level are infinite 4D.
SirSpidey
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not voted In which issue? Even then, that would only make Parallax Universal in power, not Multiversal
SirSpidey
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not voted Also, in which comic has Hal Jordan and Sinestro destroyed a Multiverse?
Soulcollecter57
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not voted Stated by who? And where is the evidence from the person that stated this? Hal and Sinestro are both 3rd dimensional neither have destroyed 1 universe none the less multiple which is the actual definition of Multiversal (because etymology) stop using VSBW for your source, it's really not helping your case.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted And since we are on the topic Hulk is not infinite 3rd dimensional either.
Soulcollecter57
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not voted And here is the bottom line for everything, if you have not destroyed an entire universe or timeline you are not even infinite 3rd dimensional, just somewhere within the 3rd dimension.
TheNemianLion
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Team Highfather So shaking an infinite number of dimensions is less than infinite 3D? Dude that's infinite 4D at least, lowballed! So destroying the Nightmare Realm as well as the Dark Dimension is less than infinite 3D? Sobreaking the barrier of TIME isn't higher than infinite 3D? So destroying a cosmos of universes isn't infinite 3D?
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Funny thing is Hulk wasn't even that angry after performing all those feats.
LordTracer
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Team Krona Shaking the infinite dimensions is infinite 3D. Hulk only shook the matter within the dimensions, he didn't shake anything immaterial. Which is only 3D.
TheNemianLion
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Team Highfather Except there was infinite of it, if it was a singular universe that'd be 3D but it was multiple universe, INFINITE of them, and you still haven't attributed Hulk's low rage level.
LordTracer
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Team Krona But if he didn't affect anything like a time stream, then that feat would only be on the infinite 3D level, no matter how many universes there were.
SirSpidey
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not voted @TheNemianLion: What do you mean, "a Cosmos of Universes?" A Cosmos is a Universe. Also, The Hulk did not destroy Night-Crawler's Dimension. The Hulk merely deflected the Sonic Beams of Night-Crawler which in return destroyed the Dimension
TheNemianLion
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Team Highfather Anything above a singular universe is above a 3Dimensional plane, an infinite amount of them makes him 4 Dimensional.

@SirSpidey to deflect something you need to exert an equal or greater amount of force to do so, also, a cosmos is an amount of space, not stated specifically to be a universe, the Darkcrawler had MANY amount of universes and all of them in his cosmos was destroyed, he literally stated that the panel after they were destroyed.
SirSpidey
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not voted Umm, no you don't. What source are you using to come up with this? I mean, I can deflect the punch of someone much, much stronger than me. Does that all of a sudden make me just as strong or stronger than the person punching me? No. What source did you use to come up with a Cosmos being merely "an amount of space?" The actual dictionary says it is, "the universe seen as a well-ordered whole." So yes, a Cosmos is a Universe
soulcollecter34
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not voted Except he didn't shake an infinite amount of dimensions, he shook and infinitely long pathway, or bridge which is not the same as shaking an infinite amount of dimensions in their entirety, a human can shake an infinite amount of particles in the air, does that make us infinite in scope? Short answer, no.

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