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Jongensoden
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Tf Leviathan and Milk man man solo's
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HolyJoe
HolyJoe 1 mo 22 d
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Team Azathoth Omnipotence doesn't exist in fiction.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 22 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories If omnipotence doesn't exist in fiction, then neither does omnipresence or omniscience. That makes no sense
HolyJoe
HolyJoe 1 mo 22 d
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Team Azathoth Omnipotence is the ability to be fundamentally invincible, completely immune to every power, and defeat the combined might of all creation and its mightiest beings without any effort. It also means affecting reality, our reality, and the reality above. You can't get it from other powers or otherwise and characters with human-like personalities in fiction aren't really omnipotent.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 21 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories I didn't understand anything you just said.
HolyJoe
HolyJoe 1 mo 20 d
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Team Azathoth Let me tell you about some of the different types of omnipotence.

True Omnipotence is where a being can obliterate causality and logic to do anything, but if two such entities who have this go against each other, it can be a massive complication. Unfortunately, being should be able to create a task which this being is unable to do if it has the ability to do any action. This begs the question: if it's such that as an impossibility or an impossible feat. No matter the answer, impossibility itself is something that can't be achieved and true omnipotence doesn't exist.

Specialized Omnipotence, a limited form of omnipotence, is where users are only omnipotent within a concept or field, as an entity basically being an anthropomorphic personification who's guaranteed to display this with the concept they embody.

Raw Omnipotence (aka Ultipotence) is where beings have pure and absolute power alone, therefore they are beyond unlimited and infinite in every possible way and are able to do absolutely anything however they see fit with any kind of possibilities they could ever imagine with no consequences or backfiring whatsoever.

Almightiness is "merely" an almighty being, whose power is far beyond any other in the setting making them omnipotent to a grand degree beyond their own universe.

Reliant Omnipotence is the ability to be all-powerful and the sole creator of all things but in a stable existence, or some other condition. The user is dependent on creation's balance and once disrupted, they lose total control over the existence and grow weaker the greater the imbalance is.

Metapotence is a simplified variation of Omnipotence but still lesser. The key difference between the two is that Metapotence allows the illogical to exist at the same time as logic and still be illogical while the latter rewrite the laws to include the illogical as logic. Simply put, it's just Logic Manipulation pushed to the highest possible arbitrary limits of the argued's logic and it's a type of Omnipotence that doesn't really exist most of the time.

Meta Omnipotence or Author Authority is the narrative version of Omnipotence. However, Author Authority is only useful in the author's works, and Omnipotence logically trumps it, making this power useless anywhere else. Again, this type doesn't really exist.

And finally, there's Absolute Omnipotence, where the user possesses all the infinite powers in existence and non-existence, making them unsurpassed, unchallenged, and unequaled. They can do anything, even make someone else more powerful than himself.
HolyJoe
HolyJoe 1 mo 20 d
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Team Azathoth @Mr_Incognito You don't need omnipotence to be omnipresent or omniscient. It's just another method of doing so. The point is, omnipotence can't exist in fiction. Even with all the philosophical and theological perspectives about omnipotence and its paradoxes, the term is absolutely impossible to even prove on any conceivable level. It's not used to measure a character, and claims of omnipotence, no matter how complex or developed, should never be viewed as evidence. Raw power and stature do not necessarily carry over to the complete versatility of omnipotence and the mere attribute undermines the potential for the user to decide otherwise. The moment when logic breaking comes into play is the moment the term Omnipotence itself loses meaning and you can no longer attribute anything.
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Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 1 mo 20 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories If it's true that omnipotence is too contradictory or difficult to exist in fiction, then the same should be true for omnipresence and omniscience. Being all powerful isn't any harder than being everywhere at all times or all knowledgeable. All of those different omnipotence types and your explanation just seem like word salad. Omnipotence is directly said in multiple comics for certain characters and on multiple official sites and wikis characters are listed as omnipotent. The opinion of a few debators isn't that much imo. Omnipotent=all powerful. It's that simple. Fiction disagrees with your point.
Being all powerful or omnipotent means defying logic and normal boundaries as well. An omnipotent being could do things that we would see as impossible. It would be able to do and not do the impossible task simultaneously, there is no contradiction. Being omnipotent means you could break or change the very concept of possibility. You're probing a bit too deep into the meaning of the word when you should just take it at face value. Some things aren't perfectly comprehensible, but that doesn't make them impossible.
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HolyJoe
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Team Azathoth Fiction has its own types of omnipotence, but none of them actually display the meaning of "all-powerful" Just think about it from these perspectives.

- Here, the Above All Others described the nature of his power and the regulators. Seeing as how the balance was disrupted by Thanos wielding the regulator, he began to lose power. That's Reliant Omnipotence. If the Above-All-Others was truly omnipotent, that wouldn't have happened.

- The Pre-Retcon Beyonder had to learn everything through experience as ultipotence is endless power without knowledge. That's an example of ultipotence. If he had omnipotence, the Beyonder could choose to be omniscient, but in that case he wasn't.

Your last paragraph is what I'm getting at. But, unless there's evidence to prove that one character can defy logic and normal boundaries, break or change the very concept of possibility, or even do things that we would see as impossible as you say, it shouldn't be used. That's why people avoid using the term.
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FriedOnions1
FriedOnions1 4 mo 29 d
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Team Azathoth Azathoth solos. If someone somehow manages to wake it up to fight existence goes bye bye.
booyah
booyah 6 mo 21 d
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Team Azathoth Azathoth solos
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Jongensoden
Jongensoden 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Nope
Jongensoden
Jongensoden 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Death of the Endless
Breaker
Breaker 6 mo 25 d
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Team Azathoth superman cosmic armor is omnipotnet
Smugloss
Smugloss 6 mo 29 d
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not voted Azathoth solos
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Jongensoden
Jongensoden 6 mo 28 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories no
itzmrbonezone
itzmrbonezone 6 mo 28 d
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Team Azathoth @jongensoden yes he does
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories No he doesn't. He and the writer stalemate.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories No, he stomps the writer
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories @Emptyhand Both are omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Neither would be able to beat the other.
DevyEZ
DevyEZ 6 mo 26 d
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Team Azathoth No one is fully omnipotent...
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Explain
AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 6 mo 26 d
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Team Azathoth Actually, someone could be within their own fiction.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories @incognito if you're in fiction, you can be at best omnipresent throughout your own verse, omniscient through your own verse, but they do NOT exist in other fictions or have knowledge of them, no one in fiction is Omnipotent
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories But each verse is made so that it is all that exists. The DC multiverse is not connected to any other fictional verse. The writers make it so that each verse is the only one that exists in their stories. In the world of DC, it is the only verse that exists. Therefore, the Writer, who is the one who writes the stories of the entire verse on the overvoid (the blank sheet of paper) is omnipotent because he possesses all of the power over the entirety of existence. Without the writer, the verse would be nonexistent. He possesses all of the power, thus, he is omnipotent.
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 26 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Oh and Btw, the page on azathoth vs the writer is 10-1 in favor of the writer.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Screw people's dumb voting descisions on that battle

DC and other fictional verses are under the existence of completely separate canons and thus no one on either verse has effect over the opposed threat, thus not Omnipotent
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Then why is omnipotent a power on this site? Why is the Writer omnipotent according to DC's official wiki? Why are multiple characters on debate sites stated to be omnipotent? The Writer literally is Grant Morrison, who exists outside of fiction itself. Even azathoth is still fictitious. The Writer represents a creator of fiction. Stalemate at best, Writer wins at worst.
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AkhilPDX
AkhilPDX 6 mo 25 d
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Team Azathoth Because it's possible to be omnipotent.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories @incognito so you're proof is only hopping on a bandwagon of people not understanding what's Omnipotent? You can't be Omnipotent in fiction, it's a power, indeed it's a power, but no one in fiction is Omnipotent, NOT EVEN the writers since they still have mental capacities, you can't be Omnipotent, you can NOT BE Omnipotent in comics, you can at best be nigh Omnipotent, grant Morrison doesn't completely know everything about all of DC, he's not the only DC writer, he doesn't work with all of them and that's the fictional version of GM, Omnipotence doesn't exist in Fiction, so stop with that
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories @empty Dude, omnipotence is a thing in DC, Marvel and many other verses. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories So you're seriously gonna go straight to saying its because i "don't like it" huh? accusing of bias? i am NOT being biased, no one in fiction can possibly be omnipotent, IDC if omnipotence is stated to be a thing in any god dam verse, since there are many characters that are stated omnipotent, in marvel and dc, so the fact they are still bound clearly to fiction, OMNIPOTENCE does NOT exist
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Where are you getting this information? Pretty much everyone would disagree with that statement.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories LMFAO no they wouldn't, I have a lot of friends I've discussed this about with, and you need to stop hopping on bandwagons and seeing what your own scaling would win, NO ONE IN FICTION IS OMNIPOTENT, if you exist in fiction you are only Omnipresent throughout your home verse, all knowing throughout your home verse, TOAA doesn't exist in DC, Presence doesn't exist in marvel, neither have any dam knowledge of each other's verse, Thus not Omniscient, not Omnipresent and without those not Omnipotent, hop off your blind bandwagon that everyone on discord debunked, anyone who understands the "limitless all Powerful beings" they'd understand in order to be Omnipotent they'd have to be 100% all knowing 100% Omnipresent, and the fact they have no knowledge or no presence in other fictions means no one Is 100% Omnipotent stop sitting in denial and acting that it would make sense for anyone to be Omnipotent
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories Fictional characters can have fictional omnipotence.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories and you cant prove that, all you use is fallacies committed by others,
Mr_Incognito
Mr_Incognito 6 mo 25 d
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Team The Leviathan Of Stories You're the one claiming no fictional character can be omnipotent. Give me a reliable source that says that is true.

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