I'm not biased against Wanda Maximoff because I don't think she's omnipotent, if anything you and emptyhand are biased towards Wanda because you two think she's omnipotent. One more thing STOP HATING ON THOR! Just because he can beat your favorite character doesn't give you reason to hate him.
Hey @Sora what comics do I read (besides HoM) for getting into Wanda Maxinoff? I thinks she is kinda cool but nowhere near Jean Grey or Franklin Richard level.
I have very knowledge on Grail so they wasn't my best debating I only tried (knowing I'd fail) because i thought it doesn't take an expert to know that Grail is more powerful
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I understand you respect Wanda Maximoff but she isn't even the most powerful mutant (heck I thought she was an inhuman) as far as I know Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant other than the ridiculously overpowered Franklin Richards who is more of a parody of a superheroe but how fair is that as Jean has help from the all powerful Phoenix force Wanda did defeat the Phoenix five due to the fact that chaos magic is the Phoenix fives weakness not because she is multiversesal for example when Batman defeats Superman by using kryptonite dose that make him multi solar system level no because he took advantage of Superman's greatest weakness kryptonite just except it Wanda is powerful but she will never be cosmic entity level their for she can't really be Darkseid level either and no that Galactus feat is just dumb and one more thing before I go with my list of the most powerful characters I could think of Cosmic Armor Superman stays on that list due to the fact that he can manipulate the plot of the story it self I seriously don't think their is anyone who can beat him due to that fact alone but feel free to tell me who you think could take him down
Being the most powerful mutant isn't an easy job, and Wanda during House of M was one of the most powerful mutants to ever exist. And no, Franklin Richards and Jean Grey definitely aren't the most powerful mutants. Franklin is merely universal+, and Jean needs Phoenix Force to powerful. HoM Wanda reached multiversal and above levels during House of M, there are only a handfull of mutants who reached those kind of power levels; Mad Jim Jaspers, Marquis of Death and White Phoenix. That's it. Only 3 + Wanda. And you're wrong on your point about Phoenix Five. Wanda's magic is said to be equal to the Phoenix Force, an ancient powerful cosmic entity, who way above multiversal. She can definitely beat Darkseid at her House of M power level. And CAS is waaay overrated. There are some characters who are IMMUNE to plot manipulation.
Also, numerous characters who have broken the 4th wall are immune to plot manipulation. And Thought Robot can't affect beings like Featherine Augustus Aurora, Nyarlathotep, Beyonder or anyone similar, because they are FAR above him via dimensional scaling.
Franklin made Galactus his litter servent and the two took on multiple fully powered celestials wanda on the other hand depowered 90 precent of all mutants but that isn't even solar system level and Franklin as a kid could take down celestials
First of all That link doesn't work and second I don't know who any of those characters are (I know and respect the beyonder)but didn't mandrak exist on a highter plane and look what Superman did to him
That's wrong. Adult Franklin needed help from his younger self to even consider Galactus as his herald. It was not his own power. And Wanda is not solar system level or below, she's way above that. She's multiversal. I think I made that pretty clear with those few scans.
no wanda is universal She retroactively rewrote her universe and caused destructive ripples in the Multiverse. She was claimed to have likely wiped out all mutants in the "omniverse".
Okay you got me there he did need help from his younger self so I'd say to make Galactus your Harold you would need 1.5X the power adult Franklin Richards had but that is still a lot Odin of Asgard was knocked out when he tried to head but Galactus meanwhile Galactus was just fine. As a kid Franklin was able to turn celestial attacks into butterflies
Now would you like to try to disprove anything in that paragraph 🔼
Yeah, Franklin is above Odin, but not above Galactus, at least not Well Fed, since he needed help, but I don't see how it makes him above HoM Wanda, because she already fodderized Galactus and Odin throughout numerous universes.
I've never read an X-men comic so would you please explain to me how powerful HoM Wanda is? Oh did I mention that Galactus can solo most of the superheroes in the marvel universe
Also as a kid Franklin Richards was creating universes in his room and made celestials look like wimps by turning their attacks into flowers and that was all before he was even old enough to drive
I tend to take that feat as a threat like I could threaten to destroy the legacy of a franchise like pack man (I would not this is just an illustration) but that doesn't mean I could, same with that Wanda feat their is no way she could destroy the omiverse
Franklin needed help of Owen Reece to actually shape those universes after Secret Wars. And you probably heard that in Mad Jim Jaspers storyline, they destroyed 238 universe to stop his havoc.
First off Isn't mad Jim jasper like joker with superpowers and next we have to say that Franklin's power is to create stuff out of nothingness then shape it Owen (who is on the same level as pre recon beyonder) dose have more experience and had to help how else would a 10 year old fix the multiverses
What are we talking about anyways this started with me expressing why I thought Jean Grey was stronger than Wanda but it's turned into this giant argument I'm not even sure what we're talking about right now I feel like I'm becoming AndreasVer ranting about nonsense
(WAIT) MY BAD forget about it I don't need azrael :updated:but I was looking at the (RED HOOD) needs a little improvement so plz can you update Red hood :Intelligence: 95 (on par with Nightwing).
:Strength: 20 (550 KG) on par with Batman).
:Speed: 30 (a little slower than Nightwing).
😁urability: 50 ( equal to Batman).
😜ower: 40 ( a little bit higher than average).
:Combat: 95/100 (almost equal to Batman & Nightwing).
(That is all I would like it if you could Update (RED HOOD) but if you can't that find but if it's no trouble I would appreciate it...👌👌👌
@soratoumiga can you update (AZRAEL) Michael Washington lane. :intelligence: (100) equal to Batman :Strength: (3400) KG ,a little stronger than Batman. :Speed: 40 plus+ teleportation 😁urability: 75
😜ower: 65
:Combat: 100
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:Enhanced senses
:Enhanced sight : Enhanced smell
: Super strength : super speed
: durability : endurance : immortality : immunity : weapon based powers
the next charachter i want updated is arisia she is number 1 https://www.superherodb.com/characters/updates/ Intelligence 95% Strength 90% Speed 95% Durability 95% Power 100% Combat 100 powers agility energy armor energy beams energy blasts energy constructs flight force fields lantern power ring marksmanship reflexes stamina super speed super strength weapon based powers
If something were to happen to Kent Nelson and I were to be deemed worthy to use The Helmet of Fate and join the Lords of Order and chaos what would be the pros and cons of doing so
You would simply be controlled by Nabu, he would tell you what to do. So you'd have great power, versatility and sheer strength, but then again, you'd have to have limited freedom.
Hey their it took me a while to make this so here I go
The One Above All = The Presence = Cosmic Armor Superman < pre recon Beyonder the Over Monitor > unbound Spectre > Trigon > Franklin Richards (adult) > Rune King Thor > Galactus < Superman Prime 10000 Dr Manhattan > Odin > Doctor Fate/Doctor Strange >>> Martian Manhunter > base Thor > base Superman > base Wonder Woman
Let me know what you think if you think on my profile page please delete this as soon as possible
Sorry, for late response, BUT, Fate easily has feats above RKT and Strange. He's a multiversal buster with Pre-C feats. And WW is faster and stronger than Thor.
I don't know what to say...well I disagree with Fate being more powerful then Rune Thor due to the fact that Thor has the power of the Runes granting him wisdom of all past, present, and future events (or that's what I've been told) he also has defeated the ones who sit above in the shadows who are beyonders
Well, I don't know who told you that, but he/she was terribly wrong. RKT did get Rune magic, but he's nowhere near Beyonders' power level, he's a Skyfather+ tier, slightly above Odin.
You act as if I've never seen hot chicks, I see them, I want them? I bed them, I screw them! That simple! She looks good, no doubt, but I won't even raise an eyebrow in her presence, that's if I see her, she is a whole foot shorter than me I may not even notice her there.
All of which those songs combined pale in comparison to one of my songs meaning, while she was talking about nice hair I was talking about Veterans never seeing their child again, she helps you live through your life, I help you improve it, that's the difference, Image, she's just another corporately made pop star, I am my own person, with my own persona, who is Ariana Grande? Does she even know who she is? I sure as hell know who I am, she loves music sure, but I AM MUSIC, I live through my tracks, she just sings hers, there's a difference there and she could never reach the fire I have, she's a mere spark I'm a bushfire when we compare passion, what's Ariana Grande repping? Nice hair? I'm repping my City! my Faith! And the entire damn world, Me and Ari are not alike!
Yeah, it's sad. People think Thor stands a chance against Fate? Spectre? Lucifer?! Wow... Not even the strongest version of Thor stands a chance against them.
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot I have to be much more specific with you than usual due to your obvious lack of comprehension skills. What I was meaning when I said "Prove it" was "Prove that that is an image of Lucifer laughing. "
Hey @sora just to tell you if you don't know ;D i know you like House of M and Elizabeth Olsen say she also want this in MCU. Do you think this is going to happen?
It would be amazing if they made House of M movie. That way, they can bring mutants to MCU, but sadly, they don't seem to be working on that movie. But then again, who knows? They might make one.
@soratoumiga Can you try to edit the Presence, and I'll try to edit the One-Above-All. I want them equal, because their stats aren't equal, however they are both supposed to have the same power.
