Should the downvote return?
Created by Tyrannus, 9 mo 6 d ago.
As most of you know the downvote button was removed. The only way (to my knowledge) that you still can is if you toggle it on when making forums.
We initially discussed this on the general forums but it was agreed it'd be more appropriate to make a forum discussing it.
I believe that its still possible to see its return.
Please up/downvote my 1st comment.
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Holyjoe didn't like Blotsky's comment. He told him to remove the down-vote because he get offended. Making all users see who down-voted Holyjoe's comment will create conflict. Because then we will have people say "Hey @Xerodeep, why'd you down-vote my comment for? Can you remove it?" Not everyone is going to be this way. Sometimes when I see you @Tyrannus you like to reply to comments like these. https://www.superherodb.com/yoda-vs-darth-vader/90-4726/ Not everyone is going to respond in a poilte way. Whether you downvote comments like those all the time. Trust me i'm warning you, they will not always come by friendly. And also @Tyrannus I've done great things for this website. And now all of a sudden you want to make my job harder? Like I helped Holyjoe, when he was getting insulted by empty and sora. I helped BLOT, when nobody accepted his opinions and everyone was ashamed of him. I HELPED DARK, become a better debater and he has me on my favorites because of that. I HELPED JONG, when he was getting insulted by Sora by calling him stupid. AND NOW you want to do this again? I mean to tell you the truth, if you win. The good thing is ill have a lot of more people liking me that's one thing. The bad news is that I have to clean up the toxicity when you're inactive most of the time.
Also another thing is this will create down-vote wars, look I don't care if you want the down-votes back, I don't care about them either way but I just want to make you understand how toxic the site will get if everyone gets to see who down-voted one another. If you think incognito is right, then believe him I don't care. Just know that there will be repercussions for that suggestion and the site will not even be close to a better change. At the beginning when it's added it may seem great but when it's added for long. The site will start turning into a down-vote war site where another user hates another user for down-voting them. Just scroll through this whole thing real quick. https://www.superherodb.com/general-conversations-the-third/100-4120/ Just imagine if this suggestion was added by this time. It would have already made the site toxic but NOW THAT IM HERE. YOU SHOULD THANK ME, FOR WHAT I DID FOR THIS SITE. You should thank God whatever religion you believe in that i'm here because I helped this site not become toxic. And I will keep doing that. Once again I'm okay if the down-vote system returns but I strongly disagree that everyone should be allowed to see it.
I am not a toxic user and haven't been in a long time. If you ever think I am toxic, don't, just don't. If I'm ever toxic it will always be unintentional. I just use my emphasis when things get intense because I want to express myself how much I've done and why I think it will destroy it's image I believe in. So this is my argument. I'm done. They shouldn't be added because it will create more conflict in the future. While you are very good at explaining why you down-vote another user. Other users will not be great at this ability. They will resort in other ways like insults, harassment, bigotry, other negative ways and that will make the site's reputation more derogatory. So I want to make sure to prevent that this happens.
Also, here’s just a friendly reminder. People who aren’t toxic don’t write entire essays explaining why they aren’t toxic. Actions speak louder than words.
If everyone on this site downvoted me and told me to my face I still wouldn't hold a grudge against anyone. All it tells me is that you disagreed with what I said and that's fine. Its only if those people started swearing or attacking me that I'd have a problem.
The way @HolyJoe reacted on that battle was almost out of character. To me that's the equivalent of begging someone to vote a certain way. If I'd seen it as it was happening I would have told him to leave it and stop being petty.
So would you rather the downvote be anonymous like it was before?
What comment were you referring to on the Vader vs Yoda page? I made a few. And I didn't downvote anyone there.
I mean literally all of those people you mentioned have me as their favourites. I could list the positive stuff I've done here too but none of that is relevant. And don't act like the saint police here when you've been toxic several times to @Mr_Incognito like in this comment thread. Whenever I've seen toxicity on this I've always called it out even if the person voted the same way as me.
Your also ignoring all the potential fights that never happened because of the downvote. Its far better to get some anonymous downvote than to have someone reply back to you calling you dumb for thinking a certain way.
Most people not just on SHDB are tired of "safe spaces" and all these cushions. People are more thick skinned than you'd think.
Your massively exaggerating. There won't be any downvote wars because we don't gain any points by doing so. If anything it negatively affects your "vibe" which was the new feature added. As its been said many times on the internet, the best way to beat trolls is to ignore them. If you don't make a fuss about it, they'll stop downvoting you.
I asked for you to make a solid argument but if I was to summarise what I've seen its basically you saying you don't care what anyone has to say because you got your way.
@Mr_Incognito and I only suggested that we be able to see who up/downvoted who as a compromise to see it return at least. I don't mind either way I just want to see its return as it was a very useful feature.
I get that a lot of users can't always explain well which was why up/downvoting someone worked out so well.
And actually it shouldn't matter to any of you. Why should it? We don't really know each other that well. We've never met. I certainly wouldn't expect to have any real influence on anyone here. Just being a realist with my expectations.
If you want to consider options in a certain matter, you need to hear everyone's opinion, not just the ones that agree with you (or the majority). And the 'majority' needs to consider what the 'minority' has to say. It might change their minds.
By the way did you vote on my 1st comment? I want as much turnout as I can get to improve reliability.
@Jakcj We are being open minded but your arguments so far have mainly been toxic attacks. I haven't actually seen a solid good argument from you as to why we should keep the downvote removed.
Its possible to people who used to call out whenever they got downvoted were people who weren't used to it because it'd happen so rarely.
I can't speak on behalf of everyone but surly seeing a minus number on your comment is far less offensive than any actual attacks on the comment.
"Upvote for return of downvotes, downvote if not"
The "majority" and "almost everyone" don't seem to care that much after all, apparently.
I don't mean it in a harsh way, so please take those things with a grain of salt.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I did not believe in the 'majority' wanting the downvote. So I started a 'poll'. It turns out (even with way too low numbers) to be a 50/50. Which is surprising to me.
I still want to wait till the end of the month, as I have mentioned before. I think it's better to have just one poll (comment) instead of two.
So, if you want to vote, please go to the link in this comment.
I'd been meaning to make this forum for some time.
The "majority" actually do support the downvotes return as seen with my initial comment on this forum winning 5 to 1.
Besides, I don't think 5 (or 8 currently) is the majority of 500+ users. I don't expect them all to vote, but <2% is not the majority. Also, my comment is roughly 50/50 on the votes.
I mention in the description that you can downvote on selected forums. I wanted to keep the 1st comment short so that more people would read and vote on it.
@@Jakcj Yeah no what.