he never defeated TWSAIS or how they were named, he only outsmarted them and if they are so powerfull why wont they predict what thor was going to do, as we can see at comic ne never even touched yggdrasil only destroyed loom of fates and it doesnt scale him to 10 realms (the statement with infinite universes were only a teory from a human and he wasnt even sure, every map shows only 10 realms smaller than a world is) like, if you cut a tree with 10 realms on it it doesnt mean you can destroy 10 realms its simple
@MoNsTeR even if we ignore story of superman, RKT never showed accual feat that woud state him above big tree, he erased DEPOWERED mangog and loki said that if it was base mangog then thor woud be in trouble, we shoudnt scale him to yggdrasil, it is as durable as normal tree and destroying it doesnt scale him to it, he made path for surtur so he can go but cmon it was just normal mountian or something like that it wasnt a feat, also RKT said that surtur was more powerfull than him XD, superman : lifted infinity (not like thor that coniformed it wasnt infinite) flew with infinite speed, survived destruction of source wall, survived in black hole that was consuming reality, can make holes between realms with bare hands, fight of two supermans destroyed WHOLE reality, so yes base superman is enough for rune king thor
Actually, 465B is perfect and represents the character accurately especially if you compare him to another Marvel character who's even the same species, in "Loki (God Of Stories)" who's at 255B.
You can't nerf and/or inaccurately represent a character's true power ratings just so another character can match up better against him, this would make this website non-credible with no integrity. If a character deserves a higher rating then it is what it is. This website's characters shouldn't have their power ratings based on match ups but rather on their historical feats and their ascension to higher levels of power without restraining them because of other character's power ratings.
if i lowball rkt he's low outer because he scales higher than loki (god of stories) and those who sit above in shadows also he destroyed true form Yggdrasil have ♾️ universes and dimensions
yggdrasil exist on every plane of existence of the multiverse,
It even goes trough every realm of every reality
If you destroy Yggdrasil it, it means it will destroy automatically the multiverse
Yggdrassil spans all of space and time(multi eternity and multi infinity)
The tree of everything that connects cosmic cycles and create even new cosmic hierarchies
@MoNsTeR Nailed it! The following is a comment I posted on another thread that explains Rune King Thor's ascension to becoming and Outerversal being.
It's actually very easy to explain if you're not a hater?
Any version of Thor, no matter by which titles he goes or what earth he's on, all Thor versions are born automatically as a tier 8 Cosmic Being on this website due to him being a Complex Multiversal / Hyperversal being, like his father and mother. Heck he was a tier 8 when in his mother's whom, a tier 8 as he drew his first breath in his father's arms. His father is and has always been a tier 8 and his mother, the Elder Goddess Gaea (check her profile) is also a tier 8 and so much more powerful than Odin.
We've seen this being said and featured many times through out the decades of different arcs since his first appearance in Marvel. This is one of his well documented power among many other inherited other powers. Thor being Complex Multiversal/Hyperversal Cosmic being is just like Thor having two arms, he was born that way.
You could say it's a recessive gene in his lineage.
Therefore when the RKT run happened, it showed Rune King Thor ascending to now being an Outerversal Cosmic Being as he destroyed the world tree Yggdrasil where all 9 realms are in 9 different dimensions so therefore multiple dimensions and multiverses. From there he reached The Ones That Sit above in Shadows in an Outerversal Dimension.
So, by that feat, Rune King Thor became a tier 9 Cosmic Being who destroyed the world tree, ended the cycle of ragnarok and put an end to The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadows in the same process. Then the run ended because Rune King Thor became too powerful for Marvel to find different and regular new villains that would match up to him and his new acquired powers. The only other Cosmic entities in his new power level are all the other abstract Cosmic Entities which he would have no reasons to fight with as they all serve a purpose in the balance of powers be it universal, multiversal, Hyperversal or omniversal. Now, I'm pretty sure that if I get a reply from you, it will be very colorful and with 100 reasons why Rune King Thor shouldn't finally be given his proper power rating and tier 9 level up. Just remember his true lineage, he is half Asgardian and half Elder God. If you do check out Gaea's profile, make sure you read her history. @MoNsTeR All versions of Thor that are not tier level 8 should be updated to that level no matter how much it increases his power ratings. Thor didn't grow into becoming a tier 8, he was born a tier 8!
Again, thanks to his lineage, which I think you had a chance to read?
It's actually very easy to explain if you're not a hater?
Any version of Thor, no matter by which titles he goes or what earth he's on, all Thor versions are born automatically as a tier 8 Cosmic Being on this website due to him being a Complex Multiversal / Hyperversal being, like his father and mother. Heck he was a tier 8 when in his mother's whom, a tier 8 as he drew his first breath in his father's arms.
We've seen this being said and featured many times through out the decades since his first appearance in Marvel. This is one of his well documented power among many other inherited other powers. Thor being Multiversal is just like Thor having two arms, he was born that way.
You could say it's a recessive gene in his lineage.
Therefore when the RKT run happened, it showed Rune King Thor ascending to now being an Outerversal Cosmic Being as he destroyed the world tree Yggdrasil where all 9 realms are in 9 different dimensions so therefore multiple dimensions and multiverses. From there he reached The Ones That Sit above in Shadows in an Outerversal Dimension.
So, by that feat, Rune King Thor became a tier 9 Cosmic Being who destroyed the world tree, ended the cycle of ragnarok and put an end to The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadows in the same process. Then the run ended because Rune King Thor became too powerful for Marvel to find different and regular new villains that would match up to him and his new acquired powers. The only other Cosmic entities in his new power level are all the other abstract Cosmic Entities which he would have no reasons to fight with as they all serve a purpose in the balance of powers be it universal, multiversal or omniversal. Now, from your initial comment, I'm pretty sure that if I get a reply from you, it will be very colorful and with 100 reasons why Rune King Thor shouldn't finally be given his proper power rating and tier 9 level up.
@Poe@MoNsTeR Yes, Thor was born as a multiversal cosmic being, like his father and mother. Actually the profile of his mother is way way underrated. she is one of the last elder Gods that were born out of creation (big bang), which included her sister Death, . If you look up her profile on the official Marvel website, she is way more powerful than Odin and that's because Gaea/Jord is the mother to all Godly Pantheons. Here's the link to Gaea/Jord's Marvel profile, you might find it interesting... https://www.marvel.com/characters/gaea
Here's Odin's Marvel profile for comparison to Gaea ... https://www.marvel.com/characters/odin/in-comics
And you might also want to read Thor issue #300 where you'll get to know Thor's true lineage and what it means to Thor's powers and abilities. Thor is half Asgardian and half Elder God. Hence why all the Thor profiles on here need to be updated, all should be tier 8 to start with and should be given the proper powers/abilities level he deserves. Just a quick sum up of Thor history that you will find in issue#300. Odin wanted an heir that would surpass him in powers in order to protect Asgard and all 9 realms, so he sought one of the last elder Gods known as Gaea (Greek name)/(Jord Norse name). And mated with her, he created a great beautiful cavern filled with sprites and all that Gaea needed to deliver Thor. After a while, Odin took Thor back with him to Asgard where his wife and goddess Frigga/Freya accepted to be his step mother.
Now there's many arcs/story lines that showed Prince Thor to be Multiversal from his first appearance in Journey into Mystery #83 till today. It's also been said many times that Odin is the most powerful and strongest Skyfather of all the earth's godly pantheons and which explains why Prince Thor was so more powerful and stronger than many other Gods and why he had the powers to fight the most powerful villains known in the Marvel Universe. Also, about Thor's creation by Stan Lee. Stan Lee has said many times over the decades that he created Thor because he wanted a character that would rival The Hulk not just in strength but also have more powers, so Stan Lee said literally, "what's more powerful than a God" and therefore he created the character of Thor. And it's well documented that when asked who was Marvel most powerful character both as an Avenger and marvel character on his own. Every time he was asked that question, he always and without missing a beat answered that Thor was the most powerful character he created. In the later years, say like the last decade before he passed, due to trying to no longer show any favoritism he now answered that the most powerful Marvel character was the one the readers preferred, he answered that way to be politically correct.
Quick example of Prince Thor's powers and great feat, he once fought Zeus for 9 months without any respite and I read in a more recent issue where Zeus fought one of the Hulk's more powerful version and literally destroyed the Hulk in a matter of minutes. Now we're at a point in history where Prince Thor is no longer, he is now All-Father King Thor (Thor Force) and though the profiles of King Thor on here are more powerful than All-Father King Odin (Odin Force), they are not high enough, simply because of his inherited powers through his Elder God mother Gaea. All versions of All-Father King Thor (Thor Force) should be updated to a little higher than what they are. Just because Gaea is so much more powerful than any and all Skyfathers of all earth's Godly Pantheon. @MoNsTeR , I included you in this answer because you got it right and would like to make my case with proof as to why all versions of Thor should all be tier 8 but also that I could show you why Gaea should be upgraded to one of her sister elder God, being Death's power levels. Gaea is the counter part to Death and represents life. Now before Earth was created, the 7 elder Gods were maybe "Outerversal" beings till they made earth their home base when it was created. The Elder Gods existed before all earth's godly pantheons weren't even a thought, that's how long the Elder Gods have been in existence. And with that said, I'd love to work with you and show you all the Origins, Lores, many arcs, established understanding of their entire existence and multiple feats up till today. That's if you would let me work with you and can give all the links needed to make my case. Fun fact, through Gaea side lineage, if I remember correctly, Thor is Zeus's uncle or the other way around. You might want to look it up or I'll find it again and send it to you. @Poe I hope this answers your question?
He definitely is Nigh-Omnipotent and Nigh-Omnipresent he at one with the Universe and has accomplished feats that vanquished 6 or 7 Outervesal Nigh-Omnipotent, Nigh-Omnipresent and Omniscient Cosmic Entities with one blow.
Rune King Thor, more defined scale around level: Low 1-C, the so-called high complex level of the multiverse. who is able to create Multiple universes and destroy them. Well, in other words, he is just an almost-omnipresent, deity of Asgard, not omnipotent.
Honestly not, Galactus (Base) is only universal to low-multiversal (since he encountered Darkseid in one official crossover) and Rune King Thor is consider high multiversal to hyperversal in Avengers Dissambled and possibility only Galactus (Fused) might scale Rune King Thor.
@MoNsTeR
the Rune king was formed only by the total power of odin force and Rune Magic.
So Rune King = Odin Force + Rune magic and Galactus >> odin force
and Rune Magic >= Dr Strange's magic.
So Galactus + Dr strange >= Rune King
and Spectre >>> Galactus + Dr strange.
Maybe I'm following a bit of a complicated method, but one is dc and the other is a marvel character. I didn't think of any other method other than comparing it in this way, and now when I read it, what I wrote Seems a little complicated to me. Anyway, the idea is that if the total power of dr Strange and Galactus is powerful than the Rune King, spectre can easily defeat him.
No, he is only omniscient. There's nothing that proves that he is everywhere (in all space, time, things, people etc) and he is only complex multiversal, he is not even close to be nigh-omnipotent.
@SupremeDreams Most of their arguments are refuted when there is a Yggdrasil avatar. The gods themselves are caught up in this nature, and these gods (in their true forms) generate the avatars of themselves. And these avatars are the transfinites present in the universe spiral.
Why rune king thor is neither outversal in terms of vs battle? Since the very gods that exist above, in the shadows, have always transcended eternity, living in oblivion. Already Thor, he transcenceded the cosmic hierarchy to ascend a TWASAIS level.
Yggdrasil is younger than earth, it's just a reality nexus and part of the second wave of gods. Like most of asgard related lore, it's just lore. RKT also fails to manipulate fate, even if he succeeds in a different way later. He's below Galactus.
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@savage There is no basis for you to place Yggdrasil as younger than the earth, not least because Yggdrasil encompasses Earthland / 616 / midgard, as it is said in Deadpool V Gambit.
Also this, the norns says that the gods exists in a time before time, and this time os when nothing exists, as they Said "the gods... Burst from the NON-BEING" the non-being (oblivion), as we know, is an oposite to the being (eternity) already the being is the existence, and non-being the inexistence (oblivion has Said this in Ice Man comic book, is not only association to the parmenidian thought), also the norns are the roots of the Yggdrasil according is said in king thor #4, and according is quoted, the norns started to exist starting the existence of gods. The norns itselfs writes the God stories.
furthermore, in the mighty Thor comic book, it is again said that the Yggdrasil (seed) existed in a time before time, and as said in Thor season one, that time is oblivion. It makes no sense for you to state (probably based on Thor's first comics, more precisely in the Nordic tales, when odin sealing surtur and planting the Yggdrasil avatar on earth) because there are several, and several comics that prove what I say. In the same comic book it is said that the seed is the oldest thing in existence, and that when everything is destroyed, it recreates all existence. And also in the same comic book it says that Yggdrasil covers space-time, this alone proves that it cannot be younger than the earth.
* * Important detail: In the comic book HOTMU, what destroyed all existence was a collision with something that contained all matter and energy, this also proves that the seed existed before the 7th, 8th cosmos. Since odin mentions that the destruction of existence was by energy and matter.
another thing that proves what I say, is Seth saying that Yggdrasil covers time itself, that alone proves (sorry for repeating it all the time) that it is not younger than the earth. Entering this merit, it is said that Yggdrasil itself is the factory of the Universe, the source of creation, the factory of the reality, and one thing that, when it was affected by enchantment, would destroy all creation. In addition, Yggdrasil encompasses the true form of the gods, which exists beyond the divine plan itself, and the Ragnarok is covered by Yggdrasil (true form of Baldur), and in this form the gods are archetypal beings, platonic beings. In fact, this Scan by asgard adds with Thor season one and the norns, since Yggdrasil covers the gods, and the gods exist first of all. another thing, this is for ALL GODS, since Yggdrasil is a Nordic vision for the same structure. For the Greeks, she is the axis mundi, for other pantheons, Silla and body Crown, for the horse, she is the Sephiroth. The goddess herself who says that the Yggdrasil / axis is the source of creation is a goddess of the Shinto pantheon.
and, my friend, if you are going to use her argument to exist in all Universes, you have to remember that these Yggdrasil are roots. Outside that the gods that are in each universe are avatars created by their true forms, which are covered by the tree.
5-A, 4-B at peak, higher with the Thermo-Blast, up to 2-C, possibly 2-A with the God Blast | At least 2-C, possibly 2-A | At least 2-A, possibly Low 1-C | 2-A
Actually, the correct answer would be to say that I would need to look at reliable sites, of which, there are none sadly. CSAP wanks most of fiction to high heaven. VSBW is VSBW. ComicVine is the platonic personification of "ew" and don't even bring up CharacterRant. They had the nerve to say no Justice League member is faster than light except for Flash.
RKT is is baseline outer. But his powers are way too much. @AkhilPDX I simply wanted to ask you a question. Do you agree with the current powers added to him??? Is he really worth 465B??
@RajinKabir He's definitely above baseline by a massive margin. Do I agree with all his powers? Switch out omniscience with nigh-omniscience and I think it would be fine.
It makes no sense for you to state this. The TWASAIS were afraid of Thor. "A, but in agent of asgard they are shown as beings that survived the ragnarok", that does not change much. Their survival is purely conceptual, since they survive the wars that the gods have, even if the gods have the capacity to go beyond the concept of war.
Norns literally write the fate of gods on the reality screen. They are fictions for her, and they themselves interact with the reader. TWASAIS are kind of opposed to norns, because they they destroy, feeding on the destiny, while they weave the destiny, which even includes stories. He destroyed the norns, however as shown in agent of asgard, the gods were there, but just what I told you about. They exist in oblivion, and will always exist. Wars, stories feed him. In agent of asgard, there is the last ragnarok due to the secret wars — destruction of the omniverse, the death of the stories, the final death of Yggdrasil.
Dude, the rune king thor was first afraid of TWASAIS, secondly as an agent of asgard it was shown that they existed independently of the norns, so it is not the source of power, thirdly, he destroyed the norns, the Yggdrasil and themself, as shown in Thor's v2.
there are people who say that ragnarok only affected asgard, but in the CB of the fantastic quartet, it is said that ragnarok affected hell and echoed through creation.
Don’t focus too much on the class, he got 465b because that’s the class he’s in when you give him the correct abilities. Plus TWSAIS need to be updated.
Enough. This is dumb. Stop being toxic.
1. Yggdrasil is part of the second wave of gods
2. Yggdrasil has alternate reality versions in other dimensions, the 616 version isn't special, and they're not all connected.
3. Rune King Thor can't manipulate fate.
If you disagree with any of those, provide an actual argument.
I'm done with people acting like fools to cover up for the fact that they don't have a response.
If you can't prove any of my points wrong, don't respond.
I personally think the alternate versions of yggdrasil are connected. A single universe has infinite dimensions. And the yggdrasil of that universe connects all of them and is connected other yggdrasils. But it is a connects for most a acts as a supporting structure for norse hel,heaven,asgard etc. But it has nothing special to do with the rest of the stuff. It is just an internal function of multieternity. People tend to blow it out of proportion.
@SupremeDreams Which scans? You're the one that can't argue against any of my points. @RajinKabir I wouldn't even put it that high. It technically came about at the same time as the first asgardians, in the second wave of gods. That would make it younger than earth. At best it could be a reality nexus, kind of like you're saying, but there's no proof that all Yggdrasils connect, and even if they did we don't know that Thor has the power of all of them.
How many people here actually understand marvel cosmology? Because I’ve been scrolling down and seeing a bunch of comments talking about how wrong his abilities and tier insanely wrong are but with no scans to back their perspective of the character. So if you believe your understand the marvel cosmology feel free to try explain to me how exactly he deserves the scale that you think he does and I’ll try to do the same.
Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods, making it younger than earth. There's alternate versions of Yggdrasil, so I see no reason that the 616 version would be tier 9 if the others aren't. They aren't connected either. On top of that rkt is unable to manipulate fate. Yggdrasil represents all 10 realms, and the asgardian part of the 2nd wave of gods, but nothing more.
@SupremeDreams Man don't waste your time. They can't digest that rkt has these stats. Just let them imagining their own shits lol. They can't debunk anything.
Based on how you’ve been editing these characters, I’d you didn’t understand the basis of the marvel cosmology. It isn’t confusing if you actually spend the time to understand it. Different writers all have different takes on the marvel universe which can confuse things but the majority of the marvel universe is aligned and not that hard to understand if you are willing to take the time to.
For real, you guys are scaling Yggdrasil all wrong. A lot of stuff is said about it sure, but a lot of stuff is said about asgardians that aren't true. For instance, they aren't actually gods.
It depends how you define god. Thor is said to be the god of thunder, but he didn't create thunder, and he doesn't have absolute control over it. He just has weather manipulation.
“God of Thunder” is just a title for his main aspect which is the Storm. Thor does have complete control over it, or at least he should. The newer comics with Arron and dare I even say Cates, just have him manipulate the weather when he can do so much more.
Guys, Yggdrasil isn't even that old. It attaches to earth mainly, and is younger than it.
RKT can't even manipulate fate, so I don't know how he comes close to 465b stats. None of his actual feats would put him above Galactus level.
Well a starving galactus was going to consume entire space and time and whole 8th cosmos upto first firnament , so a starving galactus >>> 8th cosmos eternity. Also galactus has a feat that no one can do that is creating websites
"Did you have ever read thor disassembled"
I have actually
Have you? Because it's pretty clear rkt can't manipulate fate.
Yggdrasil mainy connects to earth yes, that entire mythology is no more than part of the 2nd wave of gods.
Yggdrasil doesn't come close to tier 9, there's literslly a Yggdrasil in every universe, and they don't connect.
"Did you have ever read thor disassembled"
I have actually
Have you? Because it's pretty clear rkt can't manipulate fate.
Yggdrasil mainy connects to earth yes, that entire mythology is no more than part of the 2nd wave of gods.
Yggdrasil doesn't come close to tier 9, there's literslly a Yggdrasil in every universe, and they don't connect."- Yeah even more than 10 times. Btw, who is the retarded scaler who told you rkt can't manipulate fate. That is a retarded statement from a retarded scaler (no offence) btw, TWSAIS already said "we know you. We know your fate. You are no threat to us. , even they said ," we know all the outcomes of past, present , and future "- , but still rkt defeated them , so rkt actually manipulated his own fate.
2. Yggdrasil exists within every plane of reality this is true but there is a true Yggdrasil which contains everything in marvel including farshore. Also rkt destroyed true Yggdrasil and it was also mentioned it's connects all the worlds and whole cosmos , so you just proved me you did not read thor disassembled. Read it https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1998/Issue-80?id=8359 , tgen come back
@Tahsin Why is this so difficult? It's literally stated that he can't manipulate fate in the comic you're talking about. Don't tell me I haven't read it when you can't even scale. Again, Yggdrasil is literally judt part of the 2nd wave of gods.
@Savage "Why is this so difficult? It's literally stated that he can't manipulate fate in the comic you're talking about. Don't tell me I haven't read it when you can't even scale. Again, Yggdrasil is literally judt part of the 2nd wave of gods."- Ofc. Then something is wrong with you. There is a clear scan and feat of thor manipulating his fate. If you can't believe in scams then get out. I am not interested in hearing your gibberish. Also i can scale even in a better way then some retarded scalers. Also no yggdrasil encompasses everything in marvel including farshore which is beyond eternity. Yggdrasil should high 1A or 1A
"I'm not talking nonsense, literally when Multi-Eternity collapses they will return to distant shores"-Lol. How is it proving that multi eternity is even close to farshore.
@Tahsin stop taking debates in the ass would you? Honestly calling Savage an illiterate just means your a bad debater. Learn how to start respecting people within debates. It's not hard and your argument is incorrect. Savage has read comics his favorite character is Wolverine and he also likes the thing.
@Tahsin Damn, could ya chill? You aren't even making arguments. All you're doing is randomly attacking me. Yggdrasil isn't even as old as earth. There's a Yggdrasil in every universe, so no, it's not some embodyment of everything. How many times can I possibly say, that comic, the one you're talking about, just straight up says rkt can't manipulate fate. Don't attack my marvel knowledge when I defeat you in every debate we have
@Savage "Damn, could ya chill? You aren't even making arguments. All you're doing is randomly attacking me. Yggdrasil isn't even as old as earth. There's a Yggdrasil in every universe, so no, it's not some embodyment of everything. How many times can I possibly say, that comic, the one you're talking about, just straight up says rkt can't manipulate fate. Don't attack my marvel knowledge when I defeat you in every debate we have"- Then should not I? You were comment ing so i attacked you? Did I have done anything wrong? You should not comments when you know you can not face any debate or debunk. You commented so i thought you are ready. Is it really my fault? Also Yggdrasil is older than time and space and it reflects time and space , so it is older than even time can't you stop talking gibberish? Also i should the clear scan of Yggdrasil binding every worlds and all of marvel. I really can't control myself when someone ignors my claims and sdys whatever nonsemse he knows. Also no where is mentioned rkt can't manipulate fate. It is just your delusional statement. Also defeat? We just have two debates. One is this. And another one is sentry vs thor whom i replied many days ago but my comment got erased. Also i replied to that battle. So none of our debate is not even over yet. So keep living with your butt hurled theory that I loose nuff said.
@SSpiderGwen 1.Can you tell me what is wrong with you? Read my statement. I never told him "illiterate". The fact is most of the debaters gets toxic whenever they debate. Seth the programmer, honcho, comics fan and also there are lots debaters who are considered to be good. but sometimes gets toxic. So are you seriously blaming me for this?
2. Do not reading 1 comic does not means you are non comic reader . Savage usually reads comics related sentry, wolverine , fantastic four etc. But I am sure he do not read thor related comics that much. Also i said he did not read thor disassembled but i did not said he does not read comics. You are just using my words out of context.
Excuse me this is what you said to my friend. "You proved me you did not read . Nice fallacy"
That's calling somebody who wasn't able to read. So my claim is correct.
You saying people get toxic in debates like popular you-tubers Seth, Comics. That doesn't mean you should do the same here. If you are going to be toxic go to infowars.com or comicvine.
@SSpiderGwen 1. so what?? I said that because if his words. Also your claim is false. You said I told your friend illiterate while I did not.
2. Excuse me honcho is from discord.
Also in this site many users are toxic like me like @Unknown@MrJaeger07 and many other users. Also you are acting like I have done cyberbulling to your friend while I did not. This is just a fictional debate not anything more than that. Also , before you reply me anymore go and hsve some debates. You will know the real nature of people . Only a few users like Tyrannus Dhruv are patientful and respects others. Also this just a darkside of my nature. I am really sorry if any of my words hurts you.
@Tahsin Your toxicity doesn't affect me in anyway so don't be concerned about that. "Also this just a darkside of my nature" - Are you serious right now? Just because there's a small minority of toxicity from this site. That means you have to be toxic as well? Dude stop, nobody asked you to join the people who like to piss people off bro. You saying there's a lot of other users. That's actually false, there's almost nobody here that disrespects your opinion except you. Yeah the other users who are respectful grew mature like I am. They like this site because its peaceful not a dark place as your interpret.
"@Tahsin Your toxicity doesn't affect me in anyway so don't be concerned about that. "Also this just a darkside of my nature" - Are you serious right now? Just because there's a small minority of toxicity from this site. That means you have to be toxic as well? Dude stop, nobody asked you to join the people who like to piss people off bro. You saying there's a lot of other users. That's actually false, there's almost nobody here that disrespects your opinion except you. Yeah the other users who are respectful grew mature like I am. They like this site because its peaceful not a dark place as your interpret:- Well I really don't have any intention to be toxic on you. Btw,@Oblivion : Calls every one frauds and retatds. @Mr_Incognito Spreads the word fallacy. @Soratumiga Specialist in toxic ness. @ItachiDarkCraftXD that dude even abuses galactus and ezio https://www.superherodb.com/melkor-true-form/10-14660/comments/ ,
So is this a example of peaceful site for you? So the toxicity in this site is beyond your imagination. Now i don't want to pin more users for you but I am 100000% sure you did not devated with people. Also you are not understanding, everyone gets toxic in debates. Also read some of my comments I am not toxic every time. I only get toxic when there are reasons.
2. " Yeah the other users who are respectful grew mature like I am. "- So you mean claiming yhat i told y our friend illiterate while in reality I did not is a example of matureness🤔
That was me misunderstanding what you were saying and how am I suppose to know what your behavior is like when I'm sitting behind a computer. Ok this is you being faithless in the community. Does this happen everyday? No it doesn't but I'd like to tell you that there's sites like Reddit, Comic Vine, and many more that stay toxic everyday constantly. This site doesn't get toxic everyday so think about the present not the past.
Sora has been inactive for a long time so i don't know why you would use this as an example.
ItachiDarkcraft account has been deleted. Didn't have to ping him because Galactus took care of it.
Mr_Incognito can get arrogant sometimes but that still doesn't' count as toxicity so he doesn't count at all.
Most other users you mention are still inactive for months so I don't know what's the point in being faithless to turn into a toxic person still. I bet you would mention Sirspidey but who gives a crap anyways? He's not on here everyday trying to ruin the site.
@Tahsin Why am I debating against someone who can't even debate?
Are you really saying you aren't being toxic by arguing their are worse people on the site? What a terrible argument.
I can barely understand what you're saying your grammar is so bad. That's not an insult, just maybe read over your comments before you post them.
@Savage I think i should say that. Why I am even wasting my time who don't know anything about thor. Who can not provide a single scan to debunk me. Also a matter of fact: There are many people on the site that are more toxic than me. Also I said most of the debaters get a little bit toxic in debates. You and your friend are not understanding that.
@Tahsin You're the one who can't prove anything. What scan do you want me to debunk? Also, stop saying other people are more toxic than you. It just makes you look worse. I'm done responding to you unless you actually either give me something to debunk or debunk any of my points.
@SSpidergwen well oblivion, mr incognito are active. And itachi dark craft has many alt accounts. Galactus and ezio has blocked many of them But we don't know that is he still uses alts or not. So it is not sure that itachdarkcraftXD is inactive. Only soratumiga is inactive. Btw, don't know why people hate sirspidey even I have also talked with him. He is not that bad as much people think. He is atleast better than oblivion who calls people retards and frauds.
@Savage me? Wow. Guess what this is the funniest thing I heard in my whole life. First off , who is talking to you? Second off really you think that? You were claiming Yggdrasil is not old as even earth while debunked that, you were claiming rkt can not manipulate fate while i debunked that. Even I showed the sxan of Yggdrasil binding whole cosmos and every worlds. The problem is you can not digest this. I really loved the way how you are ignoring everything. Nice.😂😂. Also not only I many users like akhil , supreme dreams also posted many scans. You and your friends debunked none of them. The fact, you can not prove anything. The only thing ypu can is that can not digest that thor has these states. Also where is your debunk over any of my scans. I can not see anything. Even I have many scans. I did not even showed you half of them. Btw, I am sorry this is just a fact that there are users who are more toxic than me.
Yggdrasil isn't as old as earth. How did you debunk that?
I don't even know what to say about fate manipulation. It's literally said that he can't manipulate fate. I'm not ignoring anything, you just can't debunk either of those points.
Does any of this make you less toxic?
Oblivion is one of the most toxic people here for literally no reason. So I can give you that. Sirspidey does get toxic because of his Thor fanboyism. He says Thor can defeat beings such as like Anti-monitor which takes the Justice League to defeat that. And he also says Thor > Justice League which proves how much he is biased towards Marvel. Although it is his opinion. He likes to be stubborn and say that it's factual that it would happen.
Tahsin dude. If you want to be toxic. Why the hell are you even here. No site wants toxic people and especially here. This is a small community and you already want to make it a horrible site? You're being an asshole is what I have to say. Not that many users login on this site and you already want to create a bad community. Just get your head out of your butt and please take time to reconsider what you think about the site.
Yeah I agree there are way more people more toxic than you because you're not racist and saying negative slurs much. Though dude I just showed you that there's about 3 out of how many users that login that will be toxic for this site.
@Tahsin that was because he was annoyed how Rune King Thor is 465 billon. Which says that he's almost nearly equal to the presence which is the god of DC. I agree with him that people are fools for making him this powerful when he doesn't deserve it. I'm defending him because he's my friend and I don't like it when toxic people treat my friends like that.
"So should not I crush him like a ant he is" - This is not his fault for getting tired of people overrating Thor. We have a forum is SHDB getting more biased. And this is exactly one of those reasons why it is.
"that was because he was annoyed how Rune King Thor is 465 billon. Which says that he's almost nearly equal to the presence which is the god of DC. I agree with him that people are fools for making him this powerful when he doesn't deserve it. I'm defending him because he's my friend and I don't like it when toxic people treat my friends like that."So should not I crush him like a ant he is" - This is not his fault for getting tired of people overrating Thor. We have a forum is SHDB getting more biased. And this is exactly one of those reasons why it is."- what???You know and I am annoyed by hearing presence is god. Presence has been debunked more than 10000 times. He is the most overrated character after thor. Btw, nice . You mean now he is calling him fools and this is not bad? Wow. Great. Your friend's almost every shits has been debunked while your friend did not even send a single scan to me. He is just spreading his own words while he already got debunked. So in this case he is also a fool.
I didn't call you a fool @Tahsin. I said people should stop acting like fools by being toxic as a general statment. @SSpiderGwen Thanks for backing me up, it means a lot
@SSpiderGwen Than you are misunderstanding now. I really don't wanna get toxic more. I only get toxic whenever people ignors my scans and ducks me exactly like your friend. Secondly, anti monitor is very much overrated. He is not even in dc's top 20. Btw, it is true justice league is stronger than thor alone. But this is sir spidey's own opinion . But that does not mean he is toxic. Dude you are probably confused over what is toxicness and what is own opinion. Also what about michael julius claiming cas>>>whole marvel. He is more toxic and stubborn than sirspidey. Even he is biased on dc. So since you don't know anything about this don't try to take these to defend your friend.
"Yggdrasil isn't as old as earth. How did you debunk that?
I don't even know what to say about fate manipulation. It's literally said that he can't manipulate fate. I'm not ignoring anything, you just can't debunk either of those points.
Does any of this make you less toxic?"-Yggdrasil reflects time itself. It is even older than time. I already showed the scan. Also i showed the scan of rkt manipulated his own fate from TWSAIS. You are just a hypocrite who can't even debunk a shit and telling non sense like annoying kid.😂😂. Also where is mentioned he can't manipulate fate. This is your delusional statement whom i don't care. Also since manipulated fate so his statement that ge can't do that will not gonna work. So nice try. Keep crying😂😂
Micheal isn't even here on the site. This isn't about other people who aren't on the site.
If I can't change what you think about Rune King Thor. Then fine have it your way. I know your biased towards Marvel because you say Presence isn't a god when he created beings such As Micheal Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar and Spectre (Which he can fully power). I know I can't change what you think. Though I advise you to just go to a different site because there's going to be more people that are going to ignore your scans.
" For gods sake, I won the argument we were having. Rkt can't manipulate fate, and you never proved otherwise"-You won. Are you a kid? Why are you running away? Also i did not proved anything? Nice mr.joke of the year. TWSAIS wrote rkt's fate and they were claiming rkt is no threat for them while in tge end rkt defeated them. So this is actually fate manipulation. So keep living with your butt hurled theory that I did not proved anything. Also since I have eebunked your claims so I actually won the debate. Not you.
@Tahsin See, this is you being toxic. Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods, that's just the truth. I'll grab scans of rkt failing to manipulate fate tomorrow, I can't rn.
"Micheal isn't even here on the site. This isn't about other people who aren't on the site.
If I can't change what you think about Rune King Thor. Then fine have it your way. I know your biased towards Marvel because you say Presence isn't a god when he created beings such As Micheal Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar. I know I can't change what you think. Though I advise you to just go to a different site because there's going to be more people that are going to ignore your scans"- 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. By this logic odin is marvel god cuz he created asgard and created human beings. Also none of you even debunked me so yeah I won this. Also if I am marvel biased just because I think presence is not true god then your understanding over biased is fully wrong. Only some old scalers think presence is true god while he is not.
Stop. Being. Toxic.
Is it really that hard? You've won nothing, Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods and rkt can't manipulate fate. Both are true. I have nothing more to say to you.
"See, this is you being toxic. Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods, that's just the truth. I'll grab scans of rkt failing to manipulate fate tomorrow, I can't rn."-And what about you calling people fools. Also Yggdrasil is even older than time. It has a seed that will create everything. Btw, where are scans? Also Yggdrasil being the second wave of gods does not matter cuz that is not true Yggdrasil. True Yggdrasil is everything in marvel and contains every including farshore. Also there is no scan that rkt can't manipulate fate since he does that. I know what scan you will show but that is meaningless cuz rkt in the end of the story manipulated his own fate.
"Stop. Being. Toxic.
Is it really that hard? You've won nothing, Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods and rkt can't manipulate fate. Both are true. I have nothing more to say to you"- then stop telling people fools otherwise next time I will crush you in a way you can't realize. Also i actually won the whole debate. Even i showed the scans so i actually won . Btw, Yggdrasil contains every thing in marvel and it is not second part of god. Also i clearly showed the scan you are just a hypocrite who can't even accept the truth.
"not second part of god" what?
Do you even know what the 2nd wave of gods is?
Well no wonder you think rkt is so powerful, you don't know how to scale earth-related gods.
I'm not going to say if I completely agree with this profile but saying Rune King Thor is only "complex multiversal at most" or "high multiversal" or "barely hyperversal" are all insulting. Some of you guys here don't even read Marvel or DC, as signified by some events yesterday. If you have some knowledge of the character from a reliable source, then fine, your input will be valued. Otherwise, stop.
Rune King Thor should be outerversal at least in the grand scheme of things. Yggdrasil is definitely more than low multiversal. Even an emanation of Yggdrasil within a single universe contains infinite planets and infinite universes. The main root literally connects infinite planes of reality and into the entire Marvel Multiverse. The "true form" of Yggdrasil reaches up to the Far Shore and connects to many afterlives and in Immortal Hulk, it's described as the Tree of Life which, if you read into, you'll know why it's more than just low multiversal.
some other character had to be updated and other had to be downgraded as well if rkt have to be downgraded then all powerful sup ver that are on this tier also had to be downgraded because his versions and powers doesnt even make any sense at all i think rkt is more worthier than sups when compaed to how they gain these powers
@RajinKabir Well even if you do that it will be permanent solution. At past @MrJaeger07 edited him now @SupremeDreams did that and in the future maybe I will do it. Again if you again re edit it then any other user will come and edit him. And like this the third world war will start between thor fans vs thor haters . Also i don't what is the problem if rkt has these states. Also let me see according to you rkt should gave 9 b stats. Seriously. So you mean universal eternity >>>rkt. Even universal eternity has 36b. Also why don't you debunk claims? Also editing him without other's opinion will be a real bad decision.
@SupremeDreams I send that to @RajinKabir. Btw, i liked your editing. Good editing. @Pedrof Even after getting debunked and destroyed many times only some one like you can think that. Cucks
@Pedrof I did prove it to you multiple times in past comments and on discord and I’ve even put the scan on my comment page, but you still have zero scans to back your statements.
@Pedrof "You can't prove that yggdrasil is an omniverse. It has 9 realms, and it is a multiverse at most."- Yeah just keep dreaming and searching on wikipedia😥
He isn't omniscient. And definitely not nogh-omnipotent. Making him nigh-omnipotent would be making him equal to beyonder or God emperor doom. Which he isn't. He hasn't done anything of that tier.
@Pedrof so far you haven’t been able to prove my scans wrong or give solid scans of your own. Let’s not forget that before, your argument was because Wikipedia said so.
I'm even surprised that they didn't put omnipotence, in the way that this character is overrated. Yggdrasil has only 9 realms, that's all, it isn't the omniverse.
And that is why this is the most overrated character of all time. This character should be tier 8 of the VERY beast, and he is neither nigh-omnipotent nor omniscient, not even close to it in fact.
Yggdrasil has only 9 realms, there are other trees with the same size, so you say there are several omniverses? And RTK only knows the past and future, not EVERYTHING.
Nigh-Omnipotence,
—He Knows the Past, Controls the Present, and Guides the Future.
—He Erased Mangog from existence.
—He atomizes Loki’s Army.
—He vaporized fire demons with just the stretch of his arm.
—He Breaks through the dimensional barrier to Valhalla which exists outside of reality.
—He one-shots the loom of creation.
—He banished the Gods Who Sit Above In Shadow and folded the true Yggdrasil out of existence after it consumed everything.
—He scales beyond Those Who Sit Above In Shadow who fed off of the stories from Loki God of Stories in Loki agent of Asgard
Omniscience,
—He can see through the veil of time,
—He Sees All things, animal and mineral,
—He sees beyond quantum structure;
—Beyond cosmic architecture,
—And into the nothingness of Gun-gingap/
Ginnungagap/Oblivion the Pre-Existing Void
—He knows the future and fate of all things- of every man and beast— every leaf on every tree
—He sees every deed, seen and unseen.
—Every battle won and lost.
—He knows the end of all things and the part that he must play in it.
—He knew who Those Who Sit Above In Shadow actually were and saw through them
—He has sight beyond sight.
—He knows the unknowable and sees the Unseen.
Nigh-Omnipresence,
—He transcends beyond Yggdrasil scales to the existence totality of creation.
—He scales beyond TWSAIS who are of the Outside. And the Outside the realm outside of all realms.
@Pedrof and here is that debunk
If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil;
Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.
All the fabric of reality will crash.
If the tree that bind all to come to harm, dire wouldst the result be. Were the merest branch severed, unmoored wouldst the ends worlds and heavens be.
Even Elder God Seth has TRIED to destroy all the infinite plans of time and space by destroying the main root of yggdrasil.
The world tree spans the space and time, growing in directions of which we can scarcely conceive.
The core of Yggdrasil is the heart of everything.
The Tree Connects All Life
And the birth of life and the mythologies and religions coincide with science, that all life came from one source, be it single-cell life or the body of a giant (Eternity) a cosmic egg or an explosion, and all of this is too Yggdrasil.
The Tree is impoissibly vast. Its spans beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept.
Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse,
and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse,
the entire structure of the multi-abstracts is administered by the crystals within the Starlight Citadel,
which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil, as we saw at surtur events, when Master Wilson let Surtur touch this structure.
Yggdrasil is the king of all stories, he is all that exists, has its roots and branches in everything that exists, and she passes through every star, planet, hero, villain, life, and history.
@Pedrof
Yggdrasil is responsible for all cosmic entities
The Living Tribunal which is the cosmic entity responsible for the balance and judgment of the Multiverse, was born from the expansion of the big bang that gave rise to the multiverse. It is repeatedly said that.
Yggdrasil fits into the creation of all cosmic entities from the moment when all of the multiverse die "When the matter and energy of everything collapse inward before exploding forth and creating the next multiverse"
and by recreating the multiverse, the world tree give life for the entities like Galactus, And the next Galactus and multiverse. This is a clear system where it says that Yggdrasil is responsible for making cyclically the Ultimates always reborn.
Here it is also said that Yggdrasil encompasses the Living Tribunal,
which is a singular being in all the multiverse.
RKT and Gods of Gods
In Thor's period: Ragnarok (Thor v2 #83-85), the odin force asked Thor to complete the task of ending the Ragnarok cycle, the first steps was necessary that Thor "He must cast his very life aside, and must be reborn, must cease to be, and must be remade".
And he did it, he hung himself to death Yggdrasil's torso, through that he gained power to:
* know the past, control the present and guide the future
* See through the veil of time
* See All things, animal and mineral
* He sees beyond quantum structure; Beyond cosmic architecture
* And into the nothingness of Gun-gingap/Ginnungagap
Ginnungagap is the pre-existence void, it's there before all things come into existence. And will be there when it all ends.
(Oblivion)
Ginnungagap was the emptiness where the Gods of the Gods were.
And in Loki Agent of Asgard confirms that realm is "Outside the realms. Outside all realities"
After The Beyonders destroyed the entire Multiverse, this left Loki (God of Stories) outside of the Multiverse.
And outside of True Eternity is the realm where the Gods who sit above in shadows exist.
The Outside is a realm where none history can be placed because there is no space to be placed.
Loki even disputes the existence of the Gods of the Gods, talking about stories made of space and time, things the God of Gods were not.
Since The Gods of Gods scale beyond existence totality of creation, RKT must also be scaled, because he destroyed the true Yggdrasil and banished the Gods.
The place that Thor was had the well of mimir which granted him the power and knowledge of the runes. The well doesn’t exists in any of the other Yggdrasils except for the true Yggdrasil the one that Odin hung himself on for nine days to gain wisdom which meant that it was the tue Yggdrasil since the Odin Force told Thor that he had to walked the same path as Odin and had to destroy himself and be reborn.
But the Yggdrasil in Thor’s period Ragnarok that Rune King Thor folded out of existence was the true Yggdrasil all the others like the one we’re seeing in the new Donny cates run are just aspects of the true Yggdrasil.
Yggdrasil is not a multiverse, but is a tree that sustains the universe. This was shown by
Tesseract to Dr. Erik Selvig.
RTK managed to destroy this tree, this is a universal feat, now can someone explain to me why it is outerversal?
Look @Pedro I don't entirely disagree with you. But there are differences. I'll give you my idea about yggdrasil. So
Yggdrasil DOES NOT ENCOMPASS anything. You can consider it as a connector . But it works as a supporting structure to certain places and pantheon (Norse). And a single universe in marvel is far more complex. It has infinite dimensions and son on. So a single universe can be considered as a multiverse. And yggdrasil is connected to many of those. Also every universe has a yggdrasil. Each yggdrasil from its universe connects to every planet arguably 9/10 planets. You can drop the word universe because it makes things confusing. And I believe that the yggdrasils from all universes are connected to form the multiversal yggdrasil.
@RajinKabir and how can you proof that RTK destroyed the entire multiverse? I saw him destroying 9 kingdoms, not the entire multiverse, Even so he should be tier 7-8 at maximum.
@Pedro RKT didn't destroy the multiverse. He only destroyed his own pantheon(asgard,hel,Valhalla) probably in his own universe not others. But not the other planets like earth . I am actually somewhat on your side
Yes, that's what I'm saying, people use to say that he destroyed the entire omniverse, that's not true. Also I do not agree with his stats, as I said he should be tier 7-8 and I don't think he has all of that hax.
o rkt é muito mais que high multiversal, não tem nem lógica ele ser high multiversal. Yggdrasil por si só abrange o 616, sendo o 616 abrange incontáveis^infinitas dimensões. Só por isso já pega low outversal.
@Oblivion Why do you even believe in those comicvine dudes. They says captain America >>God empreror doom. They also says that cthulu mythos outer gods >>multi eternity. By the way -"Yggdrasil is a structure between universes "- this is the biggest joke I heard in my whole life. First of all ,It also encompasses structures beyond the following view points:•Einstein Rose
•Morris-Thorne
•Quantum-Brane-Cosmological (Higher Dimensions),
•If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil:1.Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.,
2.All the fabric of reality will crash,Yggdrasil also contains the whole omniverse,Yggdrasil also contains every stories in marvel The core of Yggdrasil is the heart of everything,The Tree Connects all life.,The Tree is impoissibly vast. Its span in beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept.,It’s the fountainhead of all being. It holds all that is, all that was, and all that will ever be in its astral bowers. Thor rode on time itself on the World Tree’s back,Yggdrasil is also connected with farshore , and farshore is the furthest place of life and death. It is one 1 layers above superflow and superflow is where true form of living tribunal exists.Yggdrasil is the fountainhead of all beings including the abstracts. And since rkt one shotted the Yggdrasil ,that means rkt rkt is easily high 1A or atleast 1A if you downplay him. So keep dreaming that rkt is universal.
@Oblivion I mistakenly said that. But comicvine dudes say multi eternity >>>cthulu mythos outer gods. @pedrofOMAIOR Are yiu okay? Why do you even believe in wikipedia. Those wikipedia dudes tells that great evil beast is equal to presence which is absolutely false. By the way do you even read my scans? Imao. Again I direct comic proofs . Do you have that?(no). So stop wasting my time. Yggdrasil is always a high outerversal concept and it will always be that. By the way I don't know spanish. By the way , read the line,"the nine worlds you recognize as being part of Yggdrasil are just the tip of a infinite iceberg. What you recognize as worlds are universes, fully formed,discreate,complex you may think there's only 9 worlds but brother I am here to tell there's more and they are hungry. So here goes your claim debunked that Yggdrasil only contains 9 planets imao😂😂 Kid go and read my comments again , i already showed tge scan where it was clearly stated Yggdrasil contains the entire omniverse. And eric also told the worlds you know as worlds are universes. That means realms like asgard are also separate universes. Again it was stated more than 10 times that asgard is beyond space and time. Asgard is also beyond dimensional seas. So keep imagining but the reality is rkt is high outerversal, Yggdrasil contains the entire omniverse and those 9 realms are separate universes 😎
Yes, I can understand his point but it’s not because he doesn’t show that he can’t and besides this Darth Vader is not just from the movies, and I’ve already shown star-level padawans and I can say that Darth Vader is VERY VERY stronger than these padawans
Yggdrasil has only 9 planets now can someone explain how dertoying this tree is a multiversal feat? From what I'm seeing this is a solar system level feat
He is not for two reasons he to be outer has to be one of the supreme beings of his franchise, on this website people think that being outer is like being universal, and he has no feat that proves his nigh-omnipotence . To be nigh-Omnipotent he has to be able to do practically everything.
@pedrofOMAIOR You are wrong on both fronts. First of All, being Outerversal means that you can survive in true oblivion or escape past the influence of the 8th Cosmos and survive past the neutral zone. Second of all, being Nigh-Omnipotent means having infinite power but is limited by the supreme being of that verse. RKT showed that he was Nigh-Omnipotent when he destroyed The Omniverse (Yggdrasil).
@pedrofOMAIOR
It doesn’t have nine planets. Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse, and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse, the entire structure of the True Eternity is administered by the crystals inside the Starlight Citadel, which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil.
@pedrofOMAIOR The 8th Cosmos is not a universe. You know what I just realized? I just realized that you have no idea what you are talking about, you know nothing about Thor but you act like you do and you try to downgrade his power scale because you dislike the character.
@pedro Even after losing a debate against me and knowing that there're several statements/scans where it's said the ''nine'' realms are actually UNIVERSES (arguably much more), do you keep trying to downplay the feat of yggdrasil to discredit RKT as much as possible? smh, I never met a person as hater as you, the worst thing is you blame other users for not knowing about Star Wars and being underrated.
Odin's statement isn't the only thing that counts and I've provided much more scans indicating otherwise below, you yourself are the one who refuses to see it, I will not continue wasting time with you.
By the way, a while ago you said that the 9 realms were only planets and you even wanted to show Thor's feat as a solar system and now you say they are universes, that proves how weak your claims tend to be, which gives me even more the reason.
I thought they were planets, because Midgard is the earth and is one of those ten kingdoms but they have already proved to me that they are universes and that the kingdom of Midgard is a universe the size of a planet (apparently).
@MrJaeger07 The wikipedia says that yaggdrasil is in the middle of the universe, now answer me how can this tree contain 10 universes if it is in the center of a universe?
What Odin said about the existence of 10 universes in yggdrasil isn't true, and the proves are on wikipedia and marvel wiki fandom. Bedlam Spirits said that they're omnipotent and they're not of course.
The wikipedia might be wrong, after all, those who describe yggdrasil as that aren't experts, much less do they focus on anything I have shown you, plus never base yourself on wikipedia to debate complexly about comics, see how you're inconsistent with your claims? in a moment you say yggdrasil has 10 universes, in another you say what Odin said isn't true, so what's your actual point?
Usually the evidence from wikipedia is always right. And I said that what Odin had said is wrong after all in the wikipedia and marvel's fandom wiki they say the opposite, and what the characters say is not always true, for example the Bedlam Spirits when they said they are omnipotent.
As I said, don't use wikipedia as evidence in a debate about comicbook characters, and no, Wikipedia usually isn't accurate about power scaling and its sources are usually out of date, wikipedia isn't created for comic's complexities what matters most is what they state in the comic itself so that's no excuse for you
@MrJaeger07 He won’t give. At this point he is just repeating himself. He knows that we are right but doesn’t wanna admit it because of his hate for the character so much that he just started saying random sh*t that he found on Wikipedia.
@SupremeDreams what the characters say isn't always right. As I said The Bedlam Spirits said that they're omnipotent but they aren't and what is on wikipedia is almost always right and what is on marvel wiki fandom is almost always right too.
I did some research of this tree and I didn't find anything saying that the tree is the link between everything. And even if what you say that the tree has 10 universes, destroying it is a multiversal feat, that is, RKT is supposed to be with tier 7. And from what I found, the tree is in the center of the universe and has 10 planets (kingdoms) including Midgard, you know very well that it is Earth, that is, it is not a universe, and another is Asgard, which is also a planet with a flat surface.
@Pedro your comparison is very out of context here, you cannot use as an excuse the fact that Bedlam Spirits have said that they're omnipotent is a lie to claim what Odin said is also a lie, you're increasingly wrong.
1) Fine, so since you'd like me to be blunt, I'll say it: yes RKT fans are salty
2) Okay, I'll be blunt from now on if that's what you'd like. You're blue...understand?
1) No, all tears are salty and if you want it to be frank, most of th ppl are salty cuz those of us who defend RKT are very insistent
2) what color has to do with lol the only thing that matters is context which is perfectly understandable
Well, I didn't see that you proved my points wrong when we "debated" below, I also don't know why you still think RKT is only multiversal+ when almost everyone takes him for Hyperversal-low outer, even Akhil agrees with me and if Marvel (according to you) is so overrated, then DC is as well, why don't you mention them?.
I'll only asume you didn't see my Dr. Solvong's scans where it's clearly stated Yggdrasil is way more than just 10 universes and all Asgardians believe there are only 10 universes, including even Odin.
After a few days without connecting, the first thing you do is criticize other "wanked" character before wanking your (Hulk)? lmfao, this moment should be iconic.
In discord it was going to be the same in fact, with the difference that no biased weirdo would get into the debate to suggest that RKT is wanked or OvErRaTeD
no in discord gonna be on a private group chat or private server that no one even know overhere ,.so just tell me what u wanna debate CIH vs TOBA or RKT wank ?
Well let's start kid, TOBA literally uses the Hulk as a vessel to destroy everything and the first thing to know is that without TOBA IH would be fodder, plus TOBA cannot unleash its full potential while inside the Hulk so the Breaker of Worlds is arguably less powerful than TOBA itself, go ahead now I listen to you and read your scans.
@Atemporal LMFAO who is talking about that also nobody cares about your down mentality I just told you in a very mine way to f*ck off and stop getting into conversations to getting ashamed, it's a favor don't take it the wrong way.
Once again, who is talking about it? LOL this is literally a CIH vs TOBA debate, stop saying the typical thing believing you are the bully guy when actually you look pathetic and common, lacking in the mentality to even start a debate with me HAHA
@Atemporal 3 minutes ago: CIH best feat is destroying a Multiverse so if it is equal to Toba then he's fodder.
Yes we already saw you, everyone except Lucifer is fodder and especially if it's from Marvel HAHA
@Breaker WTF what is that supposed to prove CIH is superior to TOBA? Literally what makes you think TOBA broke the Hulk's body because he couldn't ''take his soul''? It's as simple as TOBA loses the link with IH and then proceeds to eliminate him from existence, if there were two TOBAS it would be the same, since using Hulk's body limits TOBA, so TOBA still stomps.
Ok then you never said that CIH beats TOBA so it's "understandable" it bothers you that I use it, but when did I say RKT is omnipotent or that he beats TOAA for you to use it as your own sarcastic phrase? hahaha LOOOL, sorry, I know I'm a bit toxic sometimes, but Galactus doesn't disagree that I use my nasty vocabulary as HolyJoe has done as long as I don't break the rules, I hope you're okay with that XD.
You said Oblivion were fodder, which is even worse, AND what does one have to do with the other? You are the most resentful person I've ever met lol, literally a lot months ago I voted for RKT over Lucifer and you still keep bringing it out like other things, don't you have better arguments to use? Also, you say that Loki, TWSAIS and RKT are fodders, but you are unable to debate me, so I must take all that like a hater claim.
Well all those so claimed ''out of context facts'' are called arguments, I present them to you, it is what cultured people use to imply something feasible or that most don't see, based on logic, evidence and interpretation, instead of calling everything ''fodder'' ''you don't have proofs'' without even proving a single point, just like you do.
I don't know what you mean by "cultured people" you are very wrong if you think that these people know something about comics, all you do is insult most of the time and think that you are right, when you don't give shit about tests and you suck the dick of everyone you think knows something, when in reality they are as ignorant as you.
lmfao , prove a single point what do u want to proof then kid ? proof how u wank or have *** with thor ? the whole website knows that u are a wanker lol
@Breaker Lol and when did I say you said CIH beats TOBA, then what were you supposed to debate? In theory when you debate about two characters with another person, it's to try to prove the character for which you're arguing is more powerful than that of the other person, what you wanted me to think when you said ''want to debate me Toba vs cih kid''?
And in case you didn't notice, I also anecdoted that if there were two TOBAS, CIH would also lose not only base IH.
Sure, you tend to confuse me with those idiots like SirSpidey who thinks RKT oneshots TOAA and generalize, but from now on I gonna say you to not generalizing, I have RKT above where most have him on my scale cuz I think he's much more powerful than what he looks and people underrate him to the point of saying to anyone who debates in his favor ''wanker'' just like you do, and there may be some idiots who think that RKT beats TOAA, but what annoys me is they confuse me with them and generalize, especially when there are several times in which I vote against RKT or in which I say he loses, we aren't all the same and if you are someone mature enough you should know it.
I didn't ask you if you needed my sorry or not lol, I apologize in general for having used a grotesque vocabulary, but more than being asked is my duty as a staff.
Why should I stop being nice to someone just because I have a different point of view? for example @RajinKabir doesn't think RKT is that powerful and we constantly debate cordially about it, which is different from going around saying that RKT is WaNkEd but he doesn't have the chops to debate me below or express his points, beyond what normally people think, and it was never personal.
@Atemporal Then what is a person who knows about comics supposed to be? you are one? Please don't use the same cheap excuse as always and admit things well, also there was no need to use such bad language, that is a reason even to mute you.
@MrJaeger i mean it u saying CIH beats TOBA (CIH bEaTs TOBA) , that to trying to bother my because i didn't even say that , then i told u let's go debate because u was think TOBA slaps CIH lol
there's nothing called two tobas lmfao but u just saying unlink IH from TOBA and it will be already IH alone with means TOBA stomps , But How toba gonna fight him self with hulk soul ? (CIH)
Yes because u really look like sirspidey idiot dosen't think, thor wanker , i've read about all ur scales u just repeating ur self everytime lol
because u really the same saying RKT=TOAA , RKT=beyonder ,. i mean **** off lol
u don't need to vote against to RKT to prove u are not a wanker ,.ur way about the character prove that u are a wanker lol and u gonna still be a wanker as well
i'm not telling u about u or rajinkabir wtf u trying to change the way u want to run i'm telling u u are a editor or something like that and talking like this idgaf about what u say lol to ur idiot RKT scales just keep repeating ur self ,
@Breaker No, I didn't actually say ''CIH beaTs TOBA'' with the intention of annoying you because you said it lol, it was a way to annoy your favorite wank of Hulk just like you did with me when you said ''RKT oMnIpOtEnT'', curious Now you complain about something you did too, isn't it?
The "two TOBAS" thing was a proper assumption for a hypothetical confrontation between CIH and TOBA (TOBA within IH vs TOBA apart) which would not be the same as "fighting himself" and it would also be a stomp.
I don't look like SirSpidey at all lol, I'd be debunked if you just sent a single screenshot of me saying NOT IRONICALLY ''RKT = TOAA'' or ''RKT = Beyonder'' you p*ssy hypocrite, u don't even know me so you're saying that too to take everyone who supports RKT as the same idiotic wankers as spidey, if you think so much RKT is fodder and has no chance being Outer then try to prove my points wrong you unhappy coward.
Literal LMAO you're calling me wanker just cuz yeah and for no reason other than the same stupidity hahaha, at this point, I don't care what a careless kid like you thinks.
What are you talking about wtf I haven't even told you my scale regarding RKT lmfao I don't even know you to say that I am repetitive and I was just taking RajinKabir as an example that even though he has a different opinion from mine about RKT we always debate cordially and don't go around spitting that I'm a "RKT wanker" or ironic sh*t from "RKT is oMnIpOtEnT" like you or atemporal.
lmfao are u idiot ? i know u saying that to annyoing me lol but i told u to go debate 1v1 just to kick ur ll ass
yes u were trying to bother me or either trolling me but no nothing xD u still a thor wanker
lol no ,. if u even trying to put 2 toba Like toba Vs IH and Toba (same With Cih) it just gonna be the same TOBA power Vs TOBA power idiot lol
no u are because The first one started to wank is sirspidey him self ,then u with another users u bi*** coward scared to be trolled by everyone lol ,
prove ur idiot trash points about what ? TWSAS is way above beyonders ,then saying (i just now knew it it was PrE BeYonDer) and voted to him ,. lmfao TWSAS not even the beyonders u just copy this shit from marvel wiki or any another wiki and telling me this , if u gonna go that way i'm gonna bring u galactus from another wiki who typed to be omnipotent lmfao , idgaf about u i just gonna keep doing this u (wanker) xd
and don't give me an example or trying to bring ur friends to help ur ass from me , just me and u , MF
Basically, you repeated the same fallacy from before only with more focus on your underdeveloped mentality so I'm not going to answer the same thing twice, just 2 things:
1) Lol you didn't even prove what I asked you as I supposed, I have NEVER said that RKT beats TOAA or that it is equal to Beyonder learns to differentiate between Beyonders (who are much weaker than THE Beyonder) and Pre-retcon Beyonder damn illiterate, literal TWSAIS scales above Beyonders easily via AoA issues when Beyonders destroyed the Multiverse and TWSAIS and Loki were in the Outside as if nothing, which is out of the 8th cosmos Multi-Eternity' manipulation where even the Beyonders exist within and cannot get out from.
2) When I said ''I just realized this is pre-retcon Beyonder'' I meant the post-retcon version is much weaker and that would lose to RKT lol calm your little hater ass down, I know you're desperate to find proof that I'm the same as SirSpidey but don't start inventing things either lol and yes, this is between you and me, but at no time did I see you complaining when @atemporal also got in lol, I guess it's because he was against me, something hypocritical of you the truth.
Fun fact: I don't care if you believe me or not, but I wasn't the one who reported your comment lol, in fact I just connected and saw your answer, I guess that will give you to understand there are more people with common sense on this site.
When I'm ''toxic'' I'm for some reason, lol everyone has a toxic side at some point and you can't talk about that when you are too and even more, besides if I was as toxic as you say, Galactus never would've make me an editor, or yes?
Basucally i repeated because u have small brain , u can't undertsand me not my problem
YES U never said that i'm just trolling u with some old wankers users like u lmfao , do something about it kid and i know beyonder is way stronger from the beyonders and yes u just said it (pre retcon) beyonder and RKT can't beat anyone of those lmfao u just Trying to post ur idiot scans from marvel wiki and some ret*** comics not understandable trying to proof that RKT way above Beyonders lol
Ofc ,there's just a small proof , Sirspidey Says RKT=TOAA and u say RKT>>>Beyonders lmfao 😂 u really look like sirspidey , i didn't even mention him or even saying something about him , i just see u are a editor and speaking like this lmfao
Fun fact : if u are not , i'm maybe sure some RKT wankers like u who reported , and u just because a editor understand the people when trolling u and saying Rkt Is omnipotent ,or rkt=toaa , but u just can't accept this (facts) that just making u mad 😳
Most of the time I'm just trolling, the fact that you can't catch the irony is not my fault, unlike you who think that RKT beats the Beyonders, I should think that you are trolling but actually you think that RKT can beat the Beyonders hahaha
Yes sometimes everyone can be toxic , i mean i was The most toxic guy when i joined the website maybe i still at sometimes , but yeah i'm not a editor, people when see normal member being "Toxic" , well say okay He's a just (Member) , but when They see editor being toxic everytime just because they trolling him , can't be normal i guess and he goes mad 😳
Lmao it's funny that you call my scans ''idiot scans'' and you don't even pay attention to anything I've posted below but no one until now, not even you have been able to debunk a single thing I've exposed and they only keep babble around the same old thing, trollers these days of course lol.
How powerful are Beyonders supposed to be according to you? lol they're not actually as powerful as many think just because they oneshotted Living Tribunal which wasn't even the one who reside in the superflow nor is the true lol, are you surprised that I speak like this as an editor? Well surprise, I treat how they treat me, you're tough with me, I'm tough with you, you're nice and respectful with me, I'll be so with you, although it doesn't always apply lol.
In fact, the only people who can report comments are from editors onwards, you don't want to call everyone who has a job in SHDb as ''RKT wankers'' lmfao
@Atemporal literally is more time you spend ''trolling'' than speaking seriously, so it's not my fault if there comes a point where people don't know how to differentiate trolling from seriousness, mate
i mean i give attention to ur scans but who tf else gonna give attention omg this is stupid , wdym he isn't the true LT he was the true LT , Superflow lt has been killied already lol (the Ultimate 2 issue 2#) and that was the fodder adam and what are u trying to say about ur scans ? Just becuase loki said something and it didn't even shows that TWSAS above the beyonders or just because marvel wiki Said beyonders so that mean they are stronger ? what a -0000 iq
no , not at all i surpised lol , just how u have been become mad kid uses swears everytime and go mad everytime when everbody call him wanker 😂
i didn't call everyone a rkt wanker u hypocrite (i said some RKT wankers which means they are just like u . they love thor and wank him everytime like u)
OMFG this is insane and it's getting to a very cringe point for me, lol no you don't pay sh*t attention to my scans damn liar, if you did you wouldn't be acting this dumb lmfao and what I mean by TLT is the LT that was killed by Beyonders was the post-retcon that isn't even Multiversal+ and is limited by Multi-Mbodies lol the TLT residing in Oblivion is very different and scale above Multi-Eternity so Beyonders are even more fodders being encompassed by Multi-Eternity lol.
Literally what? I didn't understand absolutely anything of what you just said regarding Loki and I don't know what about TWSAIS lol if you calmed down a little more and behaved like a civilized person maybe I wouldn't take you as someone "-0000 iq" LOL.
Just so you know at this point I don't care about what trollers like you say about I wank Thor no matter what, then I'll start trolling you with the same thing about Hulk wank so you also get as ''depressed'' as me every time they call me wanker, I swear that if they tell me one more time like this I'll commit suicide huh 😂😂 imagine not noticing the sarcasm here lol
I mean those who have the ability to report comments are only from editors onwards I never said you said that they're all a RKT wanker, you damn misinterpreter lacking in reading comprehension.
no i did actually see ur scans and scaling but after that , i did this
Because yeah no buddy can take this shit only Who wank RKT like u and also That wasn't Post recton LT ,. That was the real LT u just did said (wasn't even the one who reside in the superflow) so Yeah this is so funny argument how he's Multi-Mobodies ? LMFAO that just because Beyonders killied him ? i mean uh.. Yeah ofc so this is a nice great Troll Beyonders=Multi-eternity,Ofc u can't understand ? what u want to run from something LOOOL it so clean and so so so obvious what i did said , That u are posting an idiot trash scans about What did Loki said like this one that not even shows or even speaking about TWSAIS or even the more not understandable scans that u always using for wanak u swear what ? if they tell u ? lmfao who even gonna tell ? that so damn funny
Yes, then u who did reported and u just a new member overhere that don't know from 1 year ago or less maybe that any member can report comments not only editors lol
What? How could you've seen my scans and scales if I haven't even shown it yet lol I haven't even posted it here and if you think what I discussed with those newbies below is all I've to give about my scale on RKT you are sick in head just like you're actually lol, you haven't even been able to debunk Lucifer's or Empty's scales HAHAHA what are you talking about?
I read that and what I did was basically this XD Dude wtf the LT who was killed by Beyonders was the post-retcon one lmao read comics and then you talk mr geek. Let's see I didn't even use that sh*tty image you sent cuz I don't need it also it's not my plan to prove that TWSAIS are Beyonders because they're more than that via Multi-Eternity also Beyonders aren't equal to 8th cosmos -100000iq and don't try to hide your bad spelling with the fallacy I'm running lmao that's a bullsh*t if I don't understand sh*t what you wrote only improves your grammar and that's all bud.
Lol and as I supposed you didn't notice the sarcasm behind haha well, as a person of peace that I am I'm going to propose one last thing and that's that we leave all this here to keep everything cool between us while we do that none of this happened, you agree bud or do you want to continue discussing smh, PS: I'm not trolling with this lol
Lmfao😂😂 it shows how u are so fking scared from me always mention people just u want a little help 😂 i didn't even debate with lucifer or empty with this 😂
i'm debating with u , kid 😂
oh boi u are repeat me with the photo 😂 Good to see ret*** kid repeat the same meme i use 😂
first u said (you don't even pay attention to anything I've posted below)
second u said (you don't pay sh*t attention to my scans damn liar)
now u said (I haven't even posted it) can u stuck at one ? 😂 damn this is so fking funny
What is this u damn idiot ? giving me a profile link so this is a proof ? LMFAO i think u need to read comics kid 😂 let's avoid MultiE here , so What about the beyonders ? they are aren't equal to 8th cosmos Wtf are u talking about lmfao The 8th cosmos comes after what the Beyonders did LMFAO , hide what ? my bad spelling ? f**k u kid lol , My grammar ? Well , yes my whole english is trash , everyone notice and know that but that not a argument if u can't understand my grammar u won't even respond lmfao (Bad bad bad Argument kid)
HAHAH lmfao Rkt iS OmNIpOTeNt and i'm not gonna stop discussing ,i can discuss for a year lol , and yeah
I just saw ur comment LOOL I'm going to have to use your same image several more times 😂😂 u gonna cry by a image which isn't even your?
LMAO when did I call someone else now you're getting crazy and yes you didn't debate Lucifer and Empty because even though you hate RKT and you don't agree with him being Outer you sh*t yourself and you didn't have enough evidence to debunk a sh*t of them haha, you're fired cuz RKT is more powerful than you would like, for me continue with your trolling of ''rKt >>> oMnIpOtEnT'' haha don't mind.
Yes because you haven't even seen anything I put down much less do you deserve to see all my evidence lol all that for you is garbage and you will always keep thinking the same thing cuz ur bias against Thor cuz base Thor beats the green sh*t out of base Hulk haha with good reason many of the Hulk's fanboys disagree with RKT being Outer I'll not mention anyone because later they get involved and the worst thing is you don't complain about it but when it comes to someone getting in my favor you complain you damn hypocrite 😂
If you were smart enough you would've noticed that the profile pic of the post-retcon LT I sent you a link of is the same from the scan where Beyonders killed him, what is missing is you deny it LMAO
Lmao you're right Beyonders aren't even close to 8th cosmos which puts RKT much higher than them lol and they weren't the ones who made the 8th Multiverse destroyed I was wrong, also when TWSAIS fled from Loki in AoA they went to the 9th cosmos yes, that Multiverse destroyed by the Breaker of Worlds then this would scale RKT to the CIH level although this is a very risky theory but the truth at this point I'm thinking of begin trolling and biasing like u kid 😂
Yes your whole english is trash for the first time you say something correct the only thing is that I have adaptation and can waste my time at surreal levels with assholes like you so I could do this all day as well XD.
Plus I expected that answer from you and the truth is you'll not like it when you are muted haha you almost gave me pity kid you made a mistake when you messed with me
Yes it's so great to use this image that shows me with others washing they eyes from ur idiot scaling 😂 just post it again 😂 no i acttuly i can debunk if they go debate with me but u are scared here and afraid to debate me so u want them to help u right 😂? LMFAO Oh yeah don't mind outside But inside u are crying like 10 years old kid , or guess what u are already a kid 😆 ,. kid i mean who gonna give a a f**k about scaling only who need to read them for trolling , just like me 🤣 kid , The hulk take a shit bigger than thor That Fodder Of ThUNdEr what u wanna debate this also ? i mean u are just running from debate to the debate ,we was debate CIH vs Toba And u mentioned "RKT" just to run away like a rat from CIH vs TOBA and now u wanna run again like a b***h About RKT by mention Hulk and Thor , just tell me if u want to debate this also because i whoopie ur ass on everything kid 😂 i mean , so fking funny so u mean u can't debate me u just mention and u want Help , this debate just betweenme and u why u mention people , oh let me guess u are weak and afraid to debate anymore when did someone actually enter this debate for my favor ? where ? u are a god damn Hypocritical liar LMFAO i never ever want someone to help me in debate never i asked never i mention someone over here because i'm not weak just like u to run away from debate to another debate and mention people that they even not debate with me or u because u just A Weak kid , if u are smart Enough u would've to prove That was The post retcon because it seems u don't even know bettwen post and pre that pre before even he change his power Lmfao and post that means he changed his power ,.LT His power didn't even has been changed or get Weakness ur prove ain't shit damn,
Yes u are wrong Reed did that Would what scale RKT to CIH Lmfaaaaaaaaaaao god damn 😂😂 Okay want to debate This also it's so fking funny u want to run from a debate to another debate 😂 why are u so funny i don't need ur option about my English because everybody knows that and if u can't debate just yes don't waste ur idiot time kid go to ur school , drink the milk before u sleep😂, muted ? speak to ur self u will be muted it's like u say u don't even say any bad spelling god damn u are so funny 😂 , no this is better
https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-yggdrasil-rkt-twsais.71125/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-staff-only.73205/#155
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-part-3.74953/#328
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-part-4.79045/
RKT stuff was mostly debunked in these thread btw.
Imo Those threads only speak of Yggdrasil and rather it gives us the reason XD, that doesn't debunk anything, those who create said threads mostly affirm or at least propose the idea that Yggdrasil aren't only nine realms but a kind of interconnection between infinite universes and that beings such as LT or Multi-Mbodies are limited to that.
And yes, Yggdrasil as Dr. Solvong said, it has not only nine realms, but infinite universes, baldur himself states that all infinite earths are part of it''
This is the most supported fact and that nobody has been able to debunk without real evidence that contradicts it more than making their own downplaying-rebuttals, the scans supporting 1-A Yggdrasil are way more consistent.
Lmao i just found this
^^There are infinite universes
Erik selvig literall says that "lel your fodder tree is nothing compared to infinite universes out there"
yeah m8 outerversal yggdrasil agreed.
is stated by Erik Solvong, the World Tree which contains the Nine (Formerly Ten) Realms of Norse Mythology is only the very tip of the Iceberg which makes up the REAL Yggdrasil, which is where all the stuff about Stories and the Outside and the whole Multiverse and Space and Time comes from.
This may be the most toxic comments section I've ever seen, rkt isn't even top 10 strongest in marvel in my current scaling, he's at best above the 8th cosmos which many beings are above
@EmptyHand Well not actually many beings. Only house of ideas tier characters, shaper of worlds, Cosmic immortal hulk, true form toaa, gos Loki, true form oblivion,multi oblivion are above rkt.
@SupremeDreams just because someone is outer doesn't mean his nigh-omnipotent. Phoenix force and Knull are oiter but they rent nigh-omnipotent. And Nigh-omnipotence in a lower level means that character can do almost everything on that tier
@Rajin Someone Outerversal is a practically abstract being, who isn't limited by dimentional concepts, time or space and who is the best of the best, if that isn't "nigh-omnipotence" then what is it? because above that is omnipotence nothing else.
Plus as @Supreme said PF and Knull aren't Outers, at most they're complex Multi or low Hyper.
TWSAIS are not outerversal, how are they outerversal? And RKT didn't defeat TWSAIS he just took away their food, i have already explained in
CAS vs RKT, i think you should need to read, i think you've already read, didn't you?
Dear brother, so sad to break you. Yggdrasill doesn't contain everything in marvel it just contain 9 realm of universe.
SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVEN'T READ MY COMMENTS
just because someone exist outside of reality that doesn't make them outerversal, LT, multi Eternity, multi infinity, multi Death, multi oblivion
Also exist outside of all realities and WPOTC exist even outside of Oblivion, time, all realities, space etc
If TWSAIS are outerversal just because they exist on Oblivion then character like Captain America, Black Widow exist on universe/Eternity
So that means they are universal(equal to Eternity) ? LOL
Dear little brother, yaggdrasil is concept from norse mythology. And that mythology is very old concept, they didn't even knew the there's something like universe, they were unaware of universe, you can see the map of yaggdrasil i don't know what kind of universe look like this
Basic concept
Very basic
I'm posting them because i think it will help you to understand concept of yaggdrasil
Have you ever read about yaggdrasil in any comic which is not related to asgard? LOL, i have not.
Even galactus clearly describe about it. And it doesn't said "root of yaggdrasil" he said "yaggdrasil"
LT judge the multi eternity(marvel multiverse) that's why he exist in superflow but you trying to say TWSAIS=TOAA? I don't think that makes any sense. TOAA should be outerversal.
Even galactus went to outside once so that means Galactus became outerversal for few minutes and return to universal ?
TWSAIS feed on stories of HOI not HOI LOL
And again, if they were outerversal why they need to feed on life energy of asgardians ? Why they even need to feed ? Even multiversal being don't need to feed.
Dear little friend, i think you dreamed about it because you never debunked my scans on reality. Please wake up from dream. And i showed you the actual concept of yaggsrasil and tell me where is that written that is "root of yaggdrasil" ? I think it's written in your brain cause you don't want your accept your favourite character is not powerful as you think, but don't worry nobody wants that. But i remember the songs which says "truth hurt."
I didn't expected that I have to show scans to prove your theories wrong.
1. The World Trees you see within the universes and maps are merely its' roots or branches . Well seth said"
You see in the map above is upper part of yaggdrasil which makes it complete yaggdrasil, and mid and below are roots of yaggdrasil
"1, You see that? It literally looks like a tree yet it is referred to as a root.
Still don’t believe me?
How about this.", Here it also says,"Thor shattered the roots of Yggdrasil." "
Seems like you haven't understand yet, see the map again.
"It literally states that the root was the one that got shattered, and yet, all the realms are in chaos. Again, more proof that the World Trees you see within the universes are the true Yggdrasil’s roots.Hell, the roots of the World Tree bind the entirety of the Marvel Cosmos., Here it states," Aye. Its roots and branches connect all the worlds—it binds the cosmos as it grows."
Similarly the Yggdrasil you are showing me is its' roots not true Yggdrasil. True Yggdrasil contains everything in marvel and its' the omniverse and I already shown you scans."
It's bind the cosmos because it is center of universe i already showed you the scans. And it's universe not omniverse. Do i need to explain omniverse for you ? Cause i think you don't know the meaning of omniverse.
"2.You really didn't read my scans. TWSAIS feeds on the stories from house of ideas not the life force energy of asgardians. That's why they are outerversal." They also feed on life energies of asgardian if not then why they bring the ragnarog ? LOL
And again, why outerversal being need to feed ? Lmao. You said that galactus was multiversal that means only when he became multiversal he don't need to consume planets, but why TWSAIS need to feed? If they outerversal... LOL your theory is so funny brother.
"3. That was lifebringer galactus who is multiversal level being. But stll he said that he can't survive in the outside."
He survived for few moments and he is not multiversal, so that means he became outerversal for fem moments?
@UNKNOWN_ The world tree spans the space and time, growing in directions of which we can scarcely conceive. The core of Yggdrasil is the heart of everything.
The Tree Connects all life. And the birth of life and the mythologies and religions coincide with science, that all life came from one source, be it single-cell life or the body of a giant (Eternity) a cosmic egg or an explosion, and all of this is too Yggdrasil. The Tree is impossibly vast. Its span in beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept. Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse, and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse, the entire structure of the True Eternity is administered by the crystals inside the Starlight Citadel, which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil, as we saw at surtur events, when Master Wilson let Surtur touch this structure.
Yggdrasil is the king of all stories, he is all that exists, has its roots and branches in everything that exists, and she passes through every star, planet, hero, villain, life, and history.
LOL, @Tashin again you dreaming you never debunked my claims, you only making your own theory which is wrong, Al ewing said that he can't say anything about thor because he is not writers of thor but he already confirmed that yaggdrasil is not even multiversal, you can clearly see in the scan that i posted, and you calling it's theory? LOL, nice try to ignore. He clearly admitted, that yaggdrasil is nothing close to multiversal let alone omniversal.
You said whatever he said on twitter is invalid ? LOL, but I'm 100% sure his opinion matters way more than your my friend.
You saying my proof are fan theory ? Claim of writers are fan theory? My friend, I'm sorry but i don't know where you came from you don't sound like you are from earth.
He said he uses omniverse as synonyms of multiverse but after he claimed that he was wrong.
Just to remind you friend. You are not the writer. You can't debunk writer XD
So if some 3,4 fanboys says Captain America is omniversal then he will really omniversal just because we lived on democracy? LMAO
You are keep saying that you have debunked my claims but you haven't replied my more than half of questions, and you have ignored more than half of my scans, and you haven't shows anything that i asked you to prove.
@supremedream i have not read every comic, nobody does. And i can forget so many things, cause my brain is not computer memory. And I'm not sure there's any comic where yaggdrasil stated to be omniversal, even AL clearly claims that yaggdrasil is not even multiversal, even he said he can't say anything about thor related stuff but he said that because it's very basic.
And i already showed the entire map of yaggdrasil.
@SupremeDreams again, where are the proof? Little brother your words are useless, if I argue like you then i will say "black widow can kill TOAA" but everyone knows it's makes no sense without any proof.
@Tahsin so you think you debunked my claims by saying actual yaggdrasil is root of yaggdrasil? Where you failed to prove that what is real yaggdrasil. And you debunked my 2019 scans by showing 1998 and 2008 scans ? LMAO so you think your scans from old comic can debunk new comic ?
Maybe you don't know but new comics are always batter and updated.
You showing non related scans to disprove actual claims of writers?
LOL and you said you replied my every question, but I'm still not seeing the answer of those questions which were more important?
I'm asking again. 1. You can debunk my claims about yaggdrasil only if you show the actual map of yaggdrasil which is doesn't exist because your statement are wrong, so you are the one who making fan theory and calling claims of writers calling fan theory.
2. Why outerversal being need to feed, while even universal being don't need to feed ?
3. And where they said existing outside make you outerversal?
4. According to your theory if TWSAIS exisin oblivion so they are outerversal, that means Captain America, Black widow exis on eternity, so are they multiversal ?
5. Where is your scans that can debunk my those first 2 scans ?
6. When galactus step in outside so that makes him outerversal fo few moments?
7. Have you ever read about yaggdrasil in any comic which is not related to asgard?
First of all, what the actual F is wrong with you. “According to your theory if TWSAIS exisin oblivion so they are outerversal, that means Captain America, Black widow exis on eternity, so are they multiversal?” You clearly don’t understand the structure of the oblivion. If you live inside eternity, that doesn’t make you multiversal because you can never truly transcend past eternity. Whereas Oblivion is literally the outside of Everything! Surviving in the Outside does make you Outerversal because you are transcending the omniverse. Oh and Galactus never went into oblivion, or the outside. The writer said that at the time he had multiverse and omniverse confused for the same thing.
@SupremeDreams LOL you don't understand your own theory, you are just confusing yourself friend
You said existing inside eternity is not outside, that's right, but it's outside for who exist in oblivion, it's outside of oblivion, like if you live on earth then that means you lived on planet but if you lived on March then you are not on planet? LOL your theory is so funny which is not confirmed. And yes galactus went outside.
I don't have this scan on my gallery but you can se hare.
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@Tahsin dear little brother I'm so ashamed for you, you said that i don't read comics but all your scans and information from 'quora' and you also said which your scan from 2008's comic, again, this is so sad to tell you that you don't even know where your scans belong.
This is from 'Thor Man Of War'
You are only using information from quora, i don't think you really have comic knowledge. And if you gonna show me information from quora then hare is another guy debunked all those scans maybe you haven't read and they also titled FINAL
Go and read it I'm to lazy to write those things which already have been written by another person.
And
5. You never gave any scan that can debunk my those 2 scans which is from 2019's comic
You just gave older scans which can't debunk newest one.
6. Galactus told that he can't survive outside long, but he were outside for few moments, ok just easy for your brain, forget about galactus and tell me if anyone who can lived on outside that mean they are outerversal ?
7. LOL i mean marvel comic which is nothing related to asgard.
@Tahsin you are saying same thing again and again.
5. You gave scans those are older than mine which cannot debunk new.
6. Nobody said he survived 5 minutes, i just asked you that anyone who can exist on outside are outerversal or not?
And outside ks not omniverse, why don't you do some research about 'omniverse' i think i also explained about it. Everything is omniverse.
"Stop insulting yourself" ? Are you talking to yourself brother? Because you are the one who keep insulting yourself.
And marvel officially released in 2008. Maybe that your site uploaded on 2009. I think this site is not legal. I don't think comic book release date can be different in different countries.
Yes that guy(who said yaggdrasil is multiversal) didn't reply because he loses debate. That last reply from the guy who said yaggdrasil is not even universal
@Tahsin comic is comic but latest comic batter than old one. Old comic might have wrong statement but latest comic correct them. I showed you map of yahgdrasil but no where is written that was "true yaggdrasil" because true yaggdrasil thing doesn't exist, it's only on your mind which is fooled by yourself. my friend!
And where is written that "map is only roots of yaggdrasil" ? Oh only one your comments that is written by you. But you are not writer, my friend. Your opinion doesn't matter.
And I'm not talking about map of yaggdrasil I'm talking about my first 2 scans which you cannot debunk in your whole life.
You haven't even debunked those map. you just saying those are roots of yaggdrasil but when i asked for proof, you failed to show me proof. Again your words doesn't matter without proof.
Telling others that they haven't read comic but you are yourself unaware of MOHB ? LOL oh you just claimed yourself that you just read some thor related comic. My bad.
Read MOHB then you can know meaning of omniverse, omniverse is only one. Omniverse include all fiction and Non fiction.
Lmao, you can't accept fact even i already gave proof. Now see my friend who is really dumb.XD! and go and cheak on marvel official site they showing published date not review date.
You only saying "i debunked your scans already"
Question is by your words ? Or by your fan theory? LOL what's your age? Brother! LMAO
See yourself now my friend, you are still not ready to accept that you are wrong. Even i prove you totally wrong.
And you just being fake.
You just wanna look like comic reader just by visiting Google. No offence but you just looking like dumb, my brother.
I don't know why you crying like a 12 years kid. But don't worry it's just a debate about fictional character, you won't lose anything.
Those things that you need to buy, you getting free then it's illegal my friend.
And only your site (readcomiconline or whatever) uploaded on their site in 2009. You showing that you don't even buy comics but you claiming that you know everything about marvel official site
LOL if you think you looking like smart person then please stop this, my friend! because you just looking like a dumb (again no offense)
LOL and the guy who saying yaggdrasil contains only 9 realm have 2 post and guy who saying yaggdrasil have only one post. And he got replied of his every words
But i just realised even if proof is in front of you then still you can't accept the truth. LOL
Old comic might have some mistakes just like before Phoenix force stated as omnipotent but after they made it Nigh Omnipotent, before odin stated as omnipotent but after they corrected that, sentry also stated as omnipotent but they also correct it on latest comics LOL
Did i said that "you said map of yaggdrasil is true yaggdrasil" ? LMAO now you are confusing yourself and making dumb yourself. I said "true yaggdrasil" doesn't exist that's why they didn't stated.
and again where is your "true yaggdrasil's map" ? LOL
I asked for proof and you failed
Your words doesn't matter, without proof. If you think true yaggdrasil exist then you have to show the map of true yaggdradil
And again where was that written, that my map is not true yaggdrasil ?
LMAO so you throwing my words against me ? LOL stop copying my lines and use against me. You just you are saying that just because you haven't read comic. Now stop being fake my friend.
I know you can't accept the truth even if i show you the truth. And you showing debunked scans and saying that you have debunked me. I don't know if you can understand point or not.
@Tahsin said: "grant morrison who is a dc writer told that thor is the brother of Superman. Will you agree with that. If donny cates who is a marvel writer tells that Black winter is stronger the whole dc then will you agree with that?"
Did they said? LMAO NO. neither they will. Writers is not dumb, brother. They says everything reasonable.
And did said again Walt Simenson have not wrote any thor comics ? LMAO
then tell me who wrote 'Thor Omnibus' ? Who wrote mighty thor 2003, mighty thor vol5 ? Who wrote thor visionaries ? Who wrote ragnarok #1 #2 #3 #9 ? Who wrote Thor Definitive Thor Reloaded ?
Why you still keep embarrassing yourself, my brother?
I'm just not trying to make you embarrassed, i want you to realise yourself but you have no comic knowledge, you clearly shows that.
AL Ewing didn't wrote "Thor Ragnarok" that means his claimed about RKT cutting TWSAIS from feeding HOI is fake? Because RKT is not his topic.
Who told you far shore is outerversal ?
It doesn't matter where they exist they can't be outerversal, existing won't make anyone outerversal, only feats make outerversal and they are featless
And mighty thor is very related to yaggdrasil that means Walt Simenson's claim matters way more than Al ewing. And according to your theory, claims of Al ewing doesn't matter anything about RKT.
LMAO! I have nothing to say when you said mighty thor wrote by J. Michael😂😂😂... now you gonna tell me that justice league snyder cut wrote by Jason Aaron ?😂😂😂 XD
So you find out something like that on your one day long research?😂
And why you showing scan that is nothing related to topic? LOL what you wanna prove with it ? And that is not DC universe son that is just another universe, DC universe is very fine.
Who told you that mighty thor 2003 is title? It just mighty thor but easy to remember, it's shows that you don't even know how far mighty thor is going.
And the guy asked that does yaggdrasil contains only 9 realm or entire multiverse and he said yaggdrasil was never made to contain anything(one or other/ realm or multiverse)
Still trying to debunk writer?
I'm not denying writers but you are making your own theory to denying writers just because you can't accept truth, before you were trying to debunk AL ewing.
And according to your theory opinion of those writers who didn't wrote thor's comic doesn't matter, and Al Ewing never wrote any comic of thor, he wrote loki agents of asgard which is loki's comic not thor
And Walt is thor's writer and he wrote so many comic of thor, do some research.
You trying to debunk those people who make fiction by their thoughts/ idea ? Just because your favourite character losing debate. And he is not powerful as you thought
He was never powerful like that
RKT is just thor who have rune magic and how powerful is rune magic ?
LOL its very powerful but not powerful as you think
Dr strange also held rune magic
And he stated to be god of magic/more powerful than rkt
But he defeated by Void
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RKT events happened on 1998 but you trying to wank him now ? Oh i figure out, you that guy who knew thor only when he became popular by movies and became a fan. XD
LOL your opinion doesn't matter when you trying to argue against writer.
If you still saying this map is root of yaggdrasil
Then RKT destroy root of yaggdrasil😂 he also didn't destroy true yaggdrasil
Because true yaggdrasil doesn't exist in MU
RKT destroyed yaggdrasil but it didn't effect anything, it didn't even universe not even 9 realms so yes it didn't even encompass 9 realm yaggdrasil the world tree encompass nothing it's just a fodder tree.
still saying J Michael wrote might thor ?😂😂😂 how embarrassed you are. I don't think J Michael even write a comic, work on tv shows movies etc.
LMAO my boy offending just because he losing debate😂
Writers are not dumb who include dc universe in marvel canon
Someone telling me to read comic who became fan just by watching movies😂
Yea, only dumb fanboys will agree with you
LMAO you yourself said before opinion of those writers who haven't wrote any thor comic doesn't even matter
I didn't said that.
See yourself bro.
And he never said "yaggdrasil contains everything in marvel"
Asking my problem? What If someone says "black widow killed TOAA" without proof ? Yea my problem is same.
LMAO odin force is not even Galaxy lvl force
Who told you that odin force is low multiversal ?😂
Once odin uses odin force against Galactus but it just break crown of Galactus but odin himself got knocked out, Galactus is only universal being.
Dr strange didn't want rune magic for lifetime he just wanted to get back his sorcerer supreme from loki so he offered dog it's kind of sacrifice.
Lol no where mentioned it's rune magic ? Then tell me where is rkt mentioned to be outerversal ? Where is be mentioned to be nigh omnipotent ? But you still saying he is outerversal.
Thor defeated void just because sentry allowed him.
@Tahsin said: "Your last question's answer is Rkt destroyed true Yggdrasil and everything in marvel and then he merged with true eternity and created true Yggdrasil and everything in marvel back into its' place again accept asgardians. And the fifth cosmos came like this."
Just because you said so ?
He merged with universe not true eternity, and "merged with eternity" is only respect tread actually he died and reborn as Donal Blake.
@Tahsin said: "Stop replying me. I didn't started the debate you started that. If you don't agree with me don't agree I don't care.I debate with those who has comic knowledge and who can accept the reality after seeing scans while you are not accepting. I don't have time for any brain dead boys like you. I will not respond to your claims anymore.
Thanks in advance."
Lol you said this line more than thousands of time,
Why don't you directly say that you can't debate with me anymore because you were depending on Google, cause you have no comic knowledge. And now your Google resources about end😂
@Tahsin said: "Can you tell me what is the problem to accept that rkt is outerversal? Even agai I debunked your scans but still you are not agreeing. Now what will you reply ? I guess," Imao your scans does not prove anything and you can't debunk the writer etc. etc. etc. " Right?
Stop insulting yourself and agree with that. If you don't agree then I don't care. I didn't forced you that you have to agree with my outcomes. But don't disturb me by replying your idiotic logics. I am tired of debunking your claims. If you don't agree then I have nothing to say."
Wow how great reply that i never saw in my entire life😂😂😂
But
You are just explaining yourself, you saying same scans again and again which is already debunked thousands of times, and throwing your opinion and saying "i already debunked your claim"
Yes you already debunked my claims by your own made theory in your imagination. I accept that you need brain surgery, my brother.
And you offending so much just because you losing debate
And why would i agree with anyone's fan theory and opinions that is completely crap!
Lmao mighty thor 2003 is not comic name little boy
You still think i haven't debunked your scans ? LOL i debunked your every scans with proof i just didn't said it like you. Do i need to say that ? Yes i have debunked your every scans to words and not with opinion or fan theory like you but with proof
Lmao you keep saying same words again and again "i debunked your scans already"
I you only saw the map ? And you debunked it just by saying it's root of yaggdrasil ? I asked you if that is root of yaggdrasil then show me map of true yaggdrasil. This is the point where you failed.
And same with others you showing scans which is already debunked thousands of times and showing those scans you keep saying you debunked my scans, and more than half of your scan prove yourself wrong half of your claims prove that you are a dumb, more than half of your claims embarrassed yourself.
Others are itself debunked.
So you have never debunked my single claims let alone scans.
A bit late here but base Thor wasn't a match for the Void. He got defeated twice before and only killed him in the end because Robert gave him an opening.
I completely agree with the godblast but as they were fighting, the Void was dominating literally everyone there. He'd taken down Thor twice before then and if Robert didn't stop him, the Void would have kept going.
@Tahsin boy you are the one who denying every proof and act like you showing proof lmao but you looking like dumb my friend.
1. Yes i also already said there's no map of true yaggdrasil mean there's no true yaggdrasil, you can't claim anything without having proof, if there was true yaggdrasil then there's a also map
2. Still don't understand? Dog was not dead it came back in the end, and anything can be sacrifice to tree, dr strange offered dog because he just asking rune magic for short term,
And yes J Michael is screen writer, he write babylon, Thor 2011 (movie), ninja assassin, underworld, world war z etc.
When did i said odin is not even Galaxy buster ? He is actual Galaxy buster. I said he is not even universal, cause he loses to galactus who is actual universal, and lmao again tearing the fabric of multiverse when he was battling make him multiversal plus ?😂😂😂 seriously... LOL it doesn't even make universal.
And that just a statement and words of odin are useless because once he was saying planets are universes LOL
And his statement are also useless because once he stated as omnipotent which is full of debunk.
LMAO you debunked me by saying mighty thor wrote by j Michael? 😂 or saying Walt never wrote thor's comic ? by saying opinion of Walt doesn't matter? 😂😂 or saying that you have debunked writer ?😂😂 LMAO
@RajinKabir Him not being Outerversal was a problem when he already had his nigh-omnipotence but giving outer and taking away his nigh-omnipotence? Nah
Prove
To be tier 9 the being has to be a being above all (or almost all) that transcends everything and that no one gave you life but the being formed himself.
And RKT is not even close to nigh-omnipotence.
@pedrofMAIOR Tier 9 is Outerversal and RKT is Outerversal. He survived the destruction of Yggdrasil and stayed in the absence-after he destroyed Yggdrasil. And nigh-omnipotent? In Thor’s period Ragnarok it clearly send RKT could see into the past, Control the present, and guide the future. Not to mention he destroyed Yggdrasil which is an omniversal concept
@SupremeDreams I know some people don't like fandom. But I do . They are the best source of info other than the comics. They are right at giving history or plot. I have never found any mistake with their info on plot . Powers that is a different thing but they are accurate at plot.
@MrJaeger07 Odin being Multiversal+ or not thats not the main debate. But the thing about the story ark you are describing. The main story May not be change much. But I never said Odin banished only to get Thor out of TWSAIS's fate manipulation. But since we are describing Vol 2 thor than that story comes on top here. And the base story may be the same. But the comics have added new things to it. So Odin banishing thor was also to make him unpredictable to TWSAIS. If you consider RKT that what happend. That the undeniable story of RKT. Odin found a way that might end ragnarok. So he banished thor. That made him unpredictable. And odin didn't know that thor would definitely become RKT but he took a chance. But nevertheless banishing Thor did made him impervious to TWSAIS's manipulation
@RajinKabir Not really. Odin banished Thor so he could think not only as a god but also as a human. Thor being impervious to TWSAIS’s fate manipulation barely has anything to do with Odin banishing Thor.
@SupremeDreams
The story line in Thor vol 2 contradicts with that. Thor vol 2 , the story of RKT says that Odin banished Thor to earth to not just to punish him but also to make him unpredictable to TWSAIS's fate manipulation.
@RajinKabir Ok first of all, why did you make a separate comment to answer me? you could've continued with the one we already had down, anyway.
Odin being Multiversal+ is relevant here since it shows us how far RKT and TWSAIS are from a Multiversal+ being and it's good to keep in mind for those who think that RKT is universal or complex Multi 🤦♂️, you can show the statement where it says that Odin banished Thor to for him to be impervious to TWSAIS' fate manipulation? The only thing you have going for you is the RUMOR that RKT made to TWSAIS and it's not even a direct statement stating that Odin in that storyline sent him to Earth to get out of their cycle, he just said that Odin had a way to ''stop them'' and then said that TWSAIS couldn't see what humans were like, so Thor lived as a man, which doesn't make him impervious to TWSAIS or anything like that, it's a very risky assumption and somewhat contradicting what they showed us later.
@MrJaeger07 the previous reply section was getting long so I thought of creating a new section. And what part of "My father saw a way to hide me from your manipulation" can't you understand. I also said about fandom. I just gave you a info that you are denying. That is a direct proof that Odin found a way to shield thor from TWSAIS. It was Odin who got thor out of their manipulation and made his way to becoming RKT clearer. And this is only a part of the main debate. Which is either thor is outer or not. Which I believe he is not. And I also believe that Odin is low multiversal. Multiversal at best.
So, assuming what you say is true, can you prove that Thor didn't fall back into TWSAIS' fate manipulation when he returned to Asgard? Odin may have hidden Thor for a while on Earth from TWSAIS, but what makes you think he was never involved again? He was fighting against ragnarok, there was no way to stop him apparently, when he became RKT he got out of their manipulation again, and that's when there was a way to defeat them, since being out of their fate manipulation was not everything, it's not even that relevant, the important thing was how RKT beat them later.
Well he was never in TWSAIS's fate manipulation after his banishedment. Cause if he was TWSAIS's wouldn't have let him become RKT. And that statement stands for itself . It says ever since Odin manage to get him out of TWSAIS's manipulations he was out of it. That clear. And yes RKT defeating TWSAIS is the main debate here. I already shared my opinion on that.
This is just a part of it. That I'd was Odin who actually helped thor become RKT In a way. That Odin could've get thor out of fate manipulation. That would mean TWSAIS's manipulations aren't that powerful
TWSAIS control ragnarok, outside of that they have nothing to do, so the thing about ''TWSAIS would not have let Thor become RKT if he was under their manipulation'' is a bit exaggerated.
@RajinKabir dude Thor literally said that Odin sent him to earth so he could learn the ways of mortals since TWSAIS only manipulate the gods. It didn’t make Thor unpredictable to TWSAIS and it didn’t keep him out of TWSAIS’s manipulations, it just made him learn to not only think as a god but also as a mortal.
I don't disagree with your claim but @Rajin has a point, RKT said that Odin had found a way to hide him from TWSAIS' manipulation (although at no time was FATE manipulation mentioned) however, he then proceeds to mention how he lived as a man, it makes sense and it may be true, although my point made is not out of context either and if he saw it from some perspective it would make sense too.
@SupremeDreams it did actually put him out of their fate manipulation. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616).
That was actually a very important reason of Odin to banish thor. It was also to teach him a lesson. I am not denying that. And the reason why Thor was unpredictable is that TWSAIS mainly control the fate of the gods. They don't really care about mortals and they don't manipulate their fate. Hence Thor was immune. And @MrJaeger07 I see you are almost agreeing with my opinion. But Fate Manipulation has almost never been mentioned. But that's what they do. And thor referred to fate manipulation by saying just manipulation. And if it wasn't fate manipulation that what else is there to manipulate?
@RajinKabir Well, with ''manipulation'' maybe he refers to inciting the gods to do things that lead to something that suits them, which isn't exactly FATE manipulation, however, if (as you say) Odin banished Thor from Asgard to get him out of their fate manipulation then...
1) How did Odin discover that? How he knew that TWSAIS didn't control mortals and how did he know it would work? I mean, Odin barely understood how TWSAIS worked, I doubt that he knew how their power worked.
2) How did TWSAIS allow Thor's banishment to happen? In theory if they see through the Gods including Odin they should have read his mind and discovered his plan, so they would've stopped him, plus TWSAIS said they could see past, present and future (like RKT) so they should have seen in the future that Odin's plan was going to work and Thor was going to become RKT to finally banish them... then agreeing with your theory, why none of this happened?
@MrJaeger07 you do know what we were debating on here,right??? We were debating if Odin was responsible for thor becoming unpredictable to TWSAIS. Don't act dumb. You can read and I believe you have read those. And those are not badly ordered they are plotwise ordered. And what part of "Thy mortal life sets thee apart from gods." , " You have seen the strength and courage of gods; but not of mortal men. I have lived as one of them and their ways flow through me." "Odin saw a way to break the cycle. He planted the seed in thor, who draws his strength from oth god and man. Whose ways TWSAIS could not predict would be their undoing." , " Your knowledge of humanity, agift from you father, shielded your true intentions from the shadow gods," so what did you get from those. Odin found out about TWSIAS and banished thor to earth. And those pictures also say TWSAIS didn't care of mortals .hence they didn't manipulate them. Also just because they manipulate the God's doesn't mean they manipulate every single moves and thought. I said before TWSAIS'S fate manipulation is good but not that good.
@RajinKabir ''don't act dumb'' You didn't take long to resort to insults, right? I don't really care if Thor was banished to get out of TWSAIS 'fate manipulation or not, since it does not have much relevance in the feats of RKT, if you say that TWSAIS control the Gods but don't control every movement or thought, then how do you say they wouldn't have let Thor become RKT if he had been under their manipulation? I could use that same argument in my favor, the truth is that what your claim makes sense, but it doesn't make much of a difference in the RKT tier or contribute anything to the original debate.
1. He erased Zoom from existence.
2. He cut the loom of destiny, from which the gods fed.
3. It is Nigh Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient.
am I missing something?
Lmao once you voted for RKT against Lucifer, don't pretend haha
Ultimately this supposed attempt to increase Thor's power depends on questionable scans.
Who is talking about it now? I made that vow a long time ago when I didn't know about Morningstar.
It's funny because so far none of you who think that RKT isn't Outer or try to downplay him haven't managed to debunk my arguments nor my logic
Your logic makes no sense, you just said yourself that Lucifer + Michael = Presence, don't contradict yourself.
You also can't prove me wrong and RKT being Outer is much more likely than Lucifer beating Presence.
Agent of Asgard #16: The Omniverse was ending and it's not a theory, it's a statement
Loki GOS and TWSAIS were not affected by the aforementioned omniverse destruction while outsiding in the nothing, it's also not a theory, it's a fact
Thor Vol 2 #85: RKT screwed TWSAIS cuz he was out of their fate manipulation and his power, that scales him to them or even higher, would Outerversals being give so much attention to a ''fodder'' Multiversal complex? it's not a theory, It's a tying-dots fact.
Now I'm so excited to see if you're going to call all this ''non-facts'' ''fan theorys'' ''wank'' again.
@Atemporal Deal with the writer, also TOAA is abstract, which means that he's not affected by disturbances of time and space not even at Omniversal's scale.
It is that literally the definition of Omniverse for marvel encompasses absolutely everything in marvel including the house of ideas, the ascension everything.
First of all There is a difference between an Omniverse and a Multiverse. Second the the living tribunal can survive outside of the Omniverse and he’s not on Toaa’s level. Third Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse, and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse, the entire structure of the True Eternity is administered by the crystals inside the Starlight Citadel, which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil, as we saw at surtur events, when Master Wilson let Surtur touch this structure, which means Yggdrasil itself isn’t just a multiverse
@pedrofOMAIOR Lmao you simply ignored all my logic structure and keep asking for things that a smart person wouldn't ask, do you want to see a statement that directly says ''RKT is nigh-omnipotent!''? so where is the CAS statement? where is the WPOTC statement? (for example), they all have nigh-omnipotent on this site without directly proofs that they're it and none of them are you complaining about, let me guess, you just gave me the reason about you hating RKT.
First RKT is my favorite Marvel character, second these characters are also badly edited and third we are talking about RKT and I still don't see any proof.
@pedro ''First RKT is my favorite Marvel character'' Lmao actually that made me the day xD, ad if it's supposedly your ''favorite'' Marvel character' then why do you complain so heavily about how he's edited? why don't you complain about others? What you say and what you do don't agree at all, besides, I have no need to show you anything else, I already sent you what was necessary and if you still don't want to keep an eye on the links or analyze better, it's already your and your head problem.
I'm complaining because he is badly edited, none of the links you sent are evidence of nigh-omnipotence and that he is outer.
And as I said I don't complain about others because right now I'm debating about RKT.
@pedro How is that being immune to the f*cking destruction of the Omniverse and residing literally in the nothing isn't proof that they are Outer? If TWSAIS did that, then RKT definitely can, since the place where the loom of destiny and the Ragnarok thread is hidden is interdimensionaland if it's notbeyond the nothing where Loki and TWSAIS were in AoA it's definitely close (dimensions between 12-10 or above the dimensions concept) where not even Multi-Embodies can access to and that's VERY Outerversal, also RKT destroyed Yggdrasil, that three has infinite universes and connect with Oblivion which contains cosmic entitites like LT, look at this. However, you're not debunking nor contributing to this ''debate'' and if it were for your conclusion, all existing characters except those of Star Wars if they had omnipotence are badly edited.
@Taurus that isn't the way it works, CIH (9) >>> WPOTC (9) too
TOAA (9) >>> CIH (9) too
I think there are different scaling methods for tier 9, although it tends to get a bit confusing and is one of the reasons I suggested including tier 10.
@DARK_CROWN In fact you are the only one who thinks that my arguments are "fAn ThEoRy" and of course, since you are a very serious and professional debater, you don't waste your time with people who you know are going to kick your ass haha, better stfu and go with your so-called "fAcTs" to sh*t, I'm not interested in keep trying to debate with such an immature person.
@Taurus Even CAS is on CIH tier and CIH curbstomps his ass lol, your ''CIH (9) >>> RKT (8)'' isn't enough WPOTC also get >>> by CIH and she is tier 9 so...
@MrJaeger you said TWSAIS were afraid of RKT's power. They were not. And
Her they are saying that rkt thought cutting the loom killed would defeat them. But he was wrong. Hence that at least proves RKT doesn't have complete omniscience. And if they knew that it wouldn't kill them why give a damn. Thor didn't beat them using his sheer power like loki did. And they were worried that thor was cutting their cycle their food source. Because back then ragnarok was all they fed on. But after they were cut off they started feeding on all gods and their stories.
@Taurus They aren't necessarily badly edited, I could argue in favor of CAS being a tier 9 low Outer as I do with RKT, CIH would be a tier 9 medium Outer and HOI characters being tier 9 high Outer.
@RajinKabir I never said that they were ''afraid'' of RKT's power, I said that they were SURPRISED of his power, since he wasn't being affected by their fate manipulation and he did what nobody else had managed to do, break their cycle and banish them TEMPORARILY, that didn't actually kill them you're right, but maybe it did hurt them, and the fact that RKT didn't use his sheer power makes his feat even more impressive, since if RKT indirectly destroyed the ragnarok thread and yggdrasil, what wouldn't he do with his true power? plus Loki didn't defeat TWSAIS, he only made them flee by telling them that themselves being gods of gods, were created by the gods, just as the gods of man were created by the man, you get it?
@Taurus So is playing devil's advocate a bad thing? I don't consider this a contentious opinion just wanted to know the arguments from those who thinks RKT is tier 8.
@MrJaeger thor isn't the only one to resist TWSAIS'S fate manipulation. It he only did it better than others. It was odin who first found out about TWSAIS . So he did something unpredictable. He banished thor. Which made him unpredictable to TWSAIS. And RKT can't do something on that scale with his sheer power. He isn't close to TWSAIS . He could destroy yggdrasil on his own. Even after getting all that power thor was still a god. A really really powerful god but still a god. He can be killed. He hanged himself and died and neede odin to resurrect him.
@RajinKabir You're looking at things a bit the wrong way, when Thor hanged himself he was not yet RKT prime, he was still inexperienced with the Runes and had not reached the level of wisdom he reached after his first encounter with TWSAIS, right here
Also, Odin not banished Thor to get off TWSAIS' fate radar wtf, in the history of the character it's clearly narrated when he was banished for his arrogance, haughtiness, etc... Odin wanted to teach his son a lesson and when he learned the humility, he became worthy of Mjolnir again, Odin barely understood what TWSAIS was, if he knew about them, not even Odin (a Multiversal+ being) knew how the fate cycle worked, much less will he deduce that by banishing Thor to Earth he was going to get out of their fate manipulation (in case it worked, which I doubt).
What would make you think that RKT couldn't do something on that scale with his sheer power? Do you think that breaking the thread of destiny only required some force, the hammer and nothing else, that anyone else could have done? if so lmao.
@MrJaeger LOL.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The image you sent says it self that it was odin who found out how to cloak thor from TWSAIS. check it. And yes it was odin who first found out about TWSAIS. It may seem like he banished thor for he arrogance and all. But it had a far greater reason. Even fandom says the same. And not not anyone could have cutting the loom. It was a rope but still it had great importance. But none knew how to stop ragnarok no one had the knowledge that thor was going to cut the loom. But since RKT is nigh-omniscincet he found out.
In the first image they said and even thor agreed that he cannot change whats written. Well that not exactly true. But the norms ,loki and the odin force thought something different. That thor was going to change the story of ragnarok. But when thor said he can't than the Pdin Force said that he had failed. But when thor was about to cut the loom. The odin Force said "Yes, you do see a way."
And also thor hanged himself to gain the knowledge of all futures and he got the memories of everyone in the past when he drank from mimir. The meeting with TWSAIS didn't give RKT his wisdom. And odin isn't multiversal+ he is universal+/Low multiversal.
@RajinKabir Ragnarok and Thor becoming RKT is a storyline arc from Thor Vol 2, Thor in different stories and in various comics is always meant to be something, it doesn't mean that it affects the original story of the character, and you know what it is.
One thing is HIDING and another is GETTING OUT of the TWSAIS manipulation, they're very different, Odin perhaps in that storyline sent Thor to earth as a mortal so that he would not be as affected by the fate manipulation of TWSAIS as the other gods, and so have a little more probability of success when avoiding ragnarok but when you return to asgard you re-enter the same manipulated cycle, RKT got out of that manipulation by his power, when he rose from death and he said so himself in that same scan, ''I have become something you have never even dreamed possible'' also indeed as you say, RKT discovered the way to end Ragnarok forever by cutting the loom for his nigh-omniscience, so there's no credit to take away in this. Also do you think RKT was not distracting someone when he said ''I cannot change what has been written'' supposedly.
The knowledge of the well of Mimir was not everything, RKT awakened his full potential when resurrected from the dead.
Odin has faced beings like Galactus or Dormammu classic many times that would place him in the Multiversal level at least, in addition to his qualities as Skyfather
I think @HolyJoe did it, it seems that he still thinks RKT isn't that powerful which is a respectable opinion, but apparently he cannot debunk our claims nor escaling methods either.
If Rune King Thor is nigh Omnipotent then even Luke DE, who only with his presence tears the entire structure of space, is outerversal and nigh-Omnipotent.
''why SPH should have 72m ?'' exactly, he shouldn't
I said it only cuz surely if he got it you guys would not oppose it the same way you do sarcastically with RKT
@MrJaeger07 Simply scaring TWSAIS isn't enough to scale RKT to them. RKT's best feats would only put him at the highest end of the multiversal scale. Now, if he actually fought TWSAIS, maybe he'd be a bigger threat, but there isn't any evidence to support that claim.
@HolyJoe Oh there is, RKT broke the cycle of ragnarok that not even Loki GOS who governs the Asgard's stories could undo, the most he could was escape from it with his friend, plus, TWSAIS were not being affected by the destruction of the Omniverse, RKT took off their power supply and that didn't kill them but it did hurt them, that doesn't tell you anything apart from making them literally beg him? how is that not enough evidence to escale him to TWSAIS or Loki GOS? It's simple analysis and logic, I also have another argument in favor of RKT, but I don't think it's necessary to use it.
The top question is, why a technically Outerversals beings that are not affected by the destruction of everything, that are out of nowhere with Loki and are stated to be above the 8th cosmos (TWSAIS), would care about a lizard high ''Multiversal'' like RKT that nothing more and nothing less threatens to take away their power supply in front of their faces?
@MrJaeger07 , @HolyJoe , @DARK_CROWN let's make this clear. No matter what people say , Whatever happend, whatever glory RKT has is only because he cut the loom of fate . The temporary banishment of TWSAIS ,implosion of Yggdrasil , breaking of the ragnarok cycle happend as a chain reaction to RKT cutting the Loom. Which is a low multiversal/universal+ feat. And many people blow RKT out of proportion. Let's not forget he walked the same path as Odin. Why not blow Odin out of proportion . The only difference thor has to odin is his far greater knowledge and his greater hold of rune magic. And also what made him special was that he was out of TWSAIS's fate manipulation. And don't think he achieved that because of his new powers. He was out of their fate manipulation when Odin banished him to earth. So TWSAIS's fate manipulation isn't that good. I mean they are really powerful but somehow they don't use their power or can't after a limit. And because of thor's new gained knowledge he found out if he cut the loom the connection between TWSAIS and ragnarok would break. And Jaeger only an omnipotent character can be omniscient. The only true omniscient being in marvel is TOAA
@RajinKabir TWSAIS concurrently don't show their power, but if they manipulated the destiny of Ragnarok and Yggdrasil contains all the cosmic entities including Living Tribunal and infinite universes yes, that feat of RKT is more than just Multiversal, besides that, you don't analyze What happened in Agent of Asgard, Loki had practically become the most powerful being at that time, he were out of nowhere that is beyond the Multiverse and a very high dimension, TWSAIS were also there as if nothing, they didn't aparently been affected by the Omniverse' destruction and didn't actually need the cycle of ragnarok to survive, why such beings would have even to worry about begging a fodder "Multiversal" being like RKT as many claim?
First of all I am believe RKT to be Hyperversal. And TWSAIS were begging to him because that so-called multiversal being as you said was out of their fate manipulation and was about to cut their food supply. Which they thought would kill them. Hence the begging. And TWSAIS don't specificly need the ragnarok to survive. They can feed on any story i believe
@RajinKabir Well, do you think TWSAIS would be that dumb to believe cutting the cycle of ragnarok would kill them? analyze better the situation, why would they be scared of something that they know will not affect them? Actually, what scared them was RKT himself, they were surprised to see how he wasn't affected by their fate manipulation, in addition to not knowing the limit of his powers and how far RKT could go, it really made them desperate, so much so that even they offered him a seat, why would they offer such a thing to a "Multiversal" nobody? It's obvious that RKT appeared to be more powerful than them, not to mention that he temporarily banished them just by cutting off their power supply, he never fought as such, he never demonstrated all his power or the maximum he was capable of (like TWSAIS), so which is a bit confusing to know which of them is actually more powerful, but there's no reason not to believe that RKT scales to the TWSAIS or Loki GOS tier who are undoubtedly at least high hyperversal beings. @DARK_CROW Ikr, RKT's complete omniscience was debunked already, I just said it by way of copy cuz you were claiming that Phoenix is ''nigh-omnipotent'' which is a complete bullsh*t and doesn't need to be ''debunked'' such a fallacy 😂😂
Sure, all my claims seem like a ''fanmade theory'', doesn't it? It's the only term you know how to use when you don't agree with my allegations and escaling system but you don't find other way to debunk it truly lol, I offer you to try to officially debate me and let's see if you have more beyond than calling all my claim ''fanmade theory'' ''lies'' ''non-facts''.
See how you can't avoid saying to all my allegations "fan theory" or something like that? @everyone ok I must tell all the users of this site that they are complete blind not seeing the complete omnipotence of Phoenix that @DARK_CROWN sees, it's an aCtUaL sTaTeMeNt of the comic and to contradict it would be to contradict the wRiTeR HimSeLf, are you all agree on that? xD
@DARKCROWN yah man you finally convinced me, definitely Phoenix is OmNiPoTeNt she would beat TOAA! I didn't actually provided no scan for RKT above and my debate with @pedro started with my fAn ThEoRy and all those blue texts take u to a porn page your right 😂😂
Cuz they atleast actually try to debate me without only spitting ''All ur claims are fAn ThEoRyS and you DoNt PrOvIdE fAcTs, I already debunked you!'' as you has did.
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there are 10 universes in yggdrasill,nothing more
#omgsohighouterversal
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#outerversalconfirmeduhnuh
@Dhruv listen to what the fates said before though. They said that They knew this day would come since the beginning and that he had no power there and that he couldn’t destroy fates already woven but when Thor was gonna destroy the loom which weaves the fates of everyone and everything then the fates got real scared and they begged Thor not to take away their power even though beforehand they themselves said that he had no power there.
I know RKT changed fate but only by destroying the loom of fate which was sort of a strength feat, he accepted he can't change fate and apart from destroying the loom, he had no way to defeat TWSAIS, it was just a good strength feat but he did not have the power to defeat TWSAIS without destroying the loom of fate.
@Dhruv First of all the Norns said that his fate was already sealed and said that he had no power there but then he overpowered them. Secondly explain to me how the hell destroying the loom of fate a strength feat? It is a metaphysical loom that attaches to everything everywhere and tells all of time.
@Dhruv are you actually stupid? Just because TWSAIS said that they realized his strength doesn’t make it a strength feat that’s like say doctor strange is the strongest avenger and because of that he could beat the hulk in an arm wrestle.
I don't think I am gonna debate anymore about this , as TWSAIS said "We WITNESS not only your strength..." , I hope you know the meaning of witness now, when he was about to destroy the loom of fate, they WITNESSED the strength he possessed, I don't think I am gonna debate anymore, I have replied to you with another comment where it has been officially stated, but I think you are gonna ignore and counter it by saying "Are you stupid...". No one says doctor strange is the strongest avenger, hulk has always been the strongest one there is, doctor strange might be the most powerful, but not strongest, and thor destroying loom of fate can be obviously seen to be a strength feat.
Just because it is not a physical object doesn't prove its not a strength feat, there are characters who have PUNCHED through time (not physical) but its still a strength feat. And just because loom tells all the time and fate tells nothing about its nature.
@Dhtuv but that’s different. Saying that if someone punches a hole in space/time makes it a strength feat doesn’t mean that if someone destroys the loom that connects to everyone and everything in all realities also makes it a strength feat since the loom is mystical in nature.
@Dhruv Space/Time has a dimensional barrier in between like when the flash time traveled for the first time they said that he smashed through the space/time continuum and that would be a strength feat because just because you can’t see the barrier of space/time doesn’t mean it’s not there, whereas the loom isn’t there at all. It exists in the Absence/guningagap (the place where TWSAIS were) so Thor destroying the loom isn’t a strength feat because the loom being in the Outside doesn’t technically exist but also exists at the same time.
Ya so you mean to say hulk defeating astral form DS was not a strength feat, I would be surprised if you say that its a magical feat cause hulk is almost purely strength based character. Its a strength feat actually.
He never defeated them @Tyrannus , he just cut off their power supply by destroying the thread of fate but they later returned in Agent of asgard, imagine RKT at nigh omnipotent and outerversal and at 72M and LT at 18M tier 8 lol.
Odin only assumed that the gods were destroyed but thor just cut off their power supply from which they used to feed on ragnarok cycle and they later returned.
Plus if you believe odin so much, then you may also believe TWSAIS were celestial beings.
@Dhruv I’m talking about what Loki said. You asked why TWSAIS were in Loki Agents of Asgard and I said that when Loki was talking to TWSAIS said that as long as there are gods that they exist and then Loki said that they always thought that TWSAIS created the gods but what if it was the other was around what if the gods created TWSAIS and they didn’t deny it they just got mad and left and you can tell by the way that they were acting that Loki was actually right because the gods of man were created by man and the gods of the gods were created by the gods, which means RKT did destroy them but since the gods got recreated TWSAIS got recreated as well.
So is your point that gods > gods of gods cause Loki just asked them that did we create you , TWSAIS and they got angry. From what you are saying, it seems like you think gods > gods of gods since gods created TWSAIS.
No I don’t think they are Beyonders. And you still don’t get it. Loki said that the gods of man were created by man and that the gods of the gods were created by the gods. How do you not get that.
I know that loki said that but I wanted to know since gods of gods are created by gods, then do you think gods (creators of TWSAIS) > gods of gods (TWSAIS)
Oh yeah changed my mind, RKT definitely defeated TWSAIS, definitely when it has been stated officially, he defeated TWSAIS, I was wrong that he banished them and you were right that he destroyed them, wow I was wrong all this time, RKT is high outerversal now.
@Dhruv except it doesn’t say that he banished them anywhere in the comics, in fact it say the opposite. In the Actual Comic, after the panel where he destroys Yggdrasil it says that TWSAIS fed off of the energy from Ragnarok and that Thor destroyed them.
Except that the statement was made in 2011 comic while The mighty Thor disassembled was written in 1998 and sources from newer comics are better than sources from older comics, and it was only assumed they were destroyed, they later returned and said as long as there are gods, they will be the final victors, and now since the scan officially proved that RKT banished TWSAIS, probably my last reply then for the debate.
@Dhruv In Loki Agent of Asgard, Those Who Sit Above In Shadow did say that as long as there are gods they exist, but Loki then said that the gods willed TWSAIS into existence by telling stories around their campfires so if TWSAIS said it themselves and Loki said it as well then it happened. In Thor’s period Ragnarok the Odin Force tells Thor that if he destroys Yggdrasil then he might be the only thing left in all existence after it’s finished. At the end of the comic you see a flash of light before Thor appears as this abstract being which indicates the recreation of Yggdrasil and everything connected to it which means the gods were recreated which eventually led to TWSAIS being recreated as well. But even then they still didn’t have any ties to Asgard and couldn’t feed off of Ragnarok which means that RKT (being Omniscient) knew that they were going to be recreated and that’s why they are still around because they can’t control fates anymore and they can’t feed off of Ragnarok. So whatever opinions that you have, you can keep to yourself because so far you haven’t given me anything to make me wanna change my mind.
The scan was enough tbh to prove he didn't beat TWSAIS, when RKT was about to cut the loom, they got scared as they used to feed on ragnarok, after the loom got destroyed, later on they fed on stories and lives of gods. RKT is not omniscient since he says he doesn't have the power to change fate, trust official statements bro.
@Dhruv are you stupid he said that just to say it. It doesn’t mean anything. And WTH is you on? “RKT can See through the veil of time, See All things, animal and mineral, He sees beyond quantum structure; Beyond cosmic architecture, And into the nothingness of Gun-gingap/Ginnungagap”. When RKT destroyed Yggdrasil (Omniverse) there was nothing but since in the comics they said that if you look upon the true form of oblivion (Ginnungagap) then you cease to exist, so they didn’t show it. RKT does change fate he says that he couldn’t change fate because he knew that after he said that it would boost the norn’s confidence but then when he said he was gonna destroy the loom they got scared Begging him not to take their power away.
" are you stupid he said that just to say it. It doesn’t mean anything. "
Nice way to ignore official statements and facts.
RKT said he cannot change fate but he can destroy the loom of fate, which I have already said is a strength feat and that destruction of loom changed fate, RKT by himself couldn't change fate through his power (if the loom was not there, he couldn't have changed fate)
@Dhruv the loom weaves fate RKT destroyed the loom changing the fates already woven and those that are not woven yet and you haven’t given me any actual facts.
Thats the point, he destroyed the loom, through his strength ,which changed fate but he doesn't have the power to do it directly (he indirectly changed fate by destroying the loom, but if say someone like beyonders had to change fate, they would do that with their own powers rather than destroy the loom), I already gave the scan where it already says RKT banished TWSAIS and RKT himself accepted he can't change fate , I don't know why then we are arguing that he can change fate or not through his OWN power.
@Dhruv But he did destroy the loom through his own power though, were you not listening? The loom, as well as the gods who sit above in shadow all exist in the Outerverse so Thor did change fate directly by destroying the loom. He did change it with his own power.
See RKT accepts he can't change fate but he did change fate by destroying the loom, you are saying he changed through his own power directly which contradicts his statement, but as I said, if its a strength feat, it follows both my points, he changed fate indirectly and he did not have the power to do it directly.
Because when he himself said that he couldn't change fate, why would I not repeat it, he had no reason to lie because of odin's wisdom, he wouldn't even go to that place to destroy the loom if he could have done it directly through his own power, rather he says this is the final part so he knows that without destroying the loom, he cannot banish TWSAIS through his own power. When he says he couldn't change fate because he doesn't have the power for that, then odin force says that he has failed and another cycle will come but then he realises he can just destroy the loom to end the cycle and banish them, and then odin force gets surprised and says "So you do see a way", if you dont really accept he can't change fate despite him saying that, I can't do anything, rather anyone then can make same arguments that his claim of nigh-omniscience is also wrong even when it was said he gained knowledge about almost everything.
@Mr_Incognito I use the same tiering system that EmptyHand uses and am I the fanboy here? fr, in any case, it doesn't remove the fact that many people underrates him sm and don't analyze beyond the feats not so ''flashy'' that he has, my argument has all the sense in the world and that is something you cannot defend with the resource that I'm a Thor fan.
@Taurus In case you don't know, I followed the joke by saying "Agreed" only on that occasion, it doesn't hurt to have a sense of humor from time to time (not always).
RKT has no cult, only few readers who know the true tier of the character.
@Taurus I've been advocating to buff RKT before even you, you know. But why should RKT have the same stats as TOAA who shitstomps him? The only views we don't share is that I like the Hulk and you despise him (because he is superior to Thor). And its hypocritical to tell me to have a sense of humor after what you said to @Breaker.
@Taurus Sorry about this, but what makes you think I hate the Hulk just because (according to you) he is superior to Thor? It's a f*cking dirty thing that you spend all the time using the same argument to make me look like something I'm not.
1. I don't agree that Hulk is superior to Thor, but at least I don't spend every ****ing time saying it each time I talk about one of the two unlike you who in most battles don't forget to put the ''Hulk > Thor'' somewhere, you should keep it better for debates, as we don't all think the same as you.
2. What did I say to @Breaker? When he said that RKT deserved the 72m, or that he got the hype I didn't think he was being sarcastic as he clearly was by mentioning that RKT beats TOAA, where I said ''agreed'' to follow the joke.
3. What would make me think you don't hate Thor? you say you love him more than I love Hulk and that you advocated for RKT to be buffed, you hardly ever seem to prove it, you even had to reluctantly change your vote in battle of WWH vs RKT, what should give me that to think?
@MrJaeger When have I said that in the past? If anything YOU'RE the one who keeps calling people debating for Hulk biased.
1) In general its actually Hulk >= Thor
2) You criticized him for joking on such a serious matter, but then told me that I should get a sense of humor.
3) @Oblivian and others could vouch for this. In fact, there's some of my comments on this very page. If someone could pull up the comment history (possible?) of me asking for RKT to be buffed for mr cynical over here that would be much appreciated.
@Taurus You've said it many other times and please, don't be disinterested about it, in fact the only time I've called someone who debates for the Hulk ''biased'' is when @Tyrannus voted in Hulk's favor vs someone who is unfairly superior and I even held back from some other illogical votes I'd seen before that, let's just say it was the got over the glass.
1. No, it's mostly Thor = Hulk but if we're going to try hard it's Thor > Hulk, maybe we'll debate it properly one day.
2. Yes, I said that you had to have a sense of humor SOME times, not always, there comes a point where you don't know how to differentiate the seriousness of the jokes and this ends up happening.
3. I'm not as old as others on this site, so I guess it's normal that I haven't even seen you do it once.
Can you please answer my comment on your home page about why RKT is stronger than the Living Tribunal and RKT is underrated? You literally downvoted my comments but didn't provide any evidence.
Oh, you're talking to Lapis? I thought you meant Rune King Thor isn't overrated because Empty has good info about him.
PS: Check your discord. There is some info there...
Thor in general is really underrated in You Tube videos.
CBR: Thor vs Wonder Woman: Thor looks absolutely like an idiot. He loses even after entering Warrior Madness, doesn't use Stormbreaker.
DEATH BATTLE!: Thor vs Wonder Woman: Thor looks like an idiot. DEATH BATTLE uses wrong facts and facts that can't be proven, showing their bias towards WW. He gets stabbed and immediately died. They also make fun of Thor.
From now on, whoever comes to spit me that TWOSAIS aren't Beyonders, does it with scans where it's confirmed to debate it well, otherwise i'll take him as a rat
One random and totally out of context coincidence and one unsure statement from a character who's all about mischief and trickery is not enough evidence. Stop deluding yourself. I don't need scans to disprove your flimsy and crappy evidence. There's no debate here.
what those who sit above in shadow and a beyonder said is eerly close: ''slay your enemies and all you desire shall be yours'' and ''nothing you dream of is impossible for us to accomplish''
That doesn't mean crap! I could find plenty of Navy SEAL quotes, doesn't make me a SEAL doesn't even mean I scale to the SEALs. Just because you quote someone doesn't mean you are them or even that you scale to them
U dumb? Marvel usually gives this kind of clues when it wants to confirm something.
That wasn't a simple ''coincidence'' also the beyonders are known for constantly changing shape, not to mention that Loki confirmed it, TWOSAIS are more likely to be beyonders that are not and proofs is proofs
Loki is not completely crazy, maybe he said what he said cuz the Beyonders are known to change their appearance and possibly TWOSAIS in this case are a form of Beyonders who experimented with the ragnarok cycle (Beyonders love to experiment with things from the Multiverse) just think for a moment and tie the other loose ends
Why does RKT have a power level that is higher than Living Tribunal, and Galactus? I will also add Space Punisher Hulk (that the votes here say he would lose to by a wide margin). There is something erronious with his Power level value here superherodb. I am just commenting and will not be replying to casual users who want to chime in
RKT is getting underrated so much on this page, he stomps easily Space Punisher Hulk, Old King Phoenix Thor and maybe CAS, the ppl that say that he loses against them dont know him, he's actually being a Multiversal/Hyperversal level cuz he did beat BEYONDERS (Those Who Sit Above In Shadow) and that was a multiversal feat, not to mention that there he didn't even show all his power
@Joe Lucifer and Emptyhand seem like they're trolling based on how much they're voting for rkt. I don't understand why they think he's like outerversal but he isn't.
After reading through the debate you two had with Joe, i have no desire to debate you on the topic. Also, calling me a rat for simply expressing my opinion isn't very clever.
You're saying we're trolling without even deciding to debate is to begin with, we didn't have a full debate with Joe and Lucifer is waiting for Joe's reply, but if y'all are gonna keep making claims about RKT yet we already clapped Joe on the topic and yuh won't try and argue against it, it's a rat tactic
As a third party looking in, neither of you "clapped" Joe. I disagreed with some of his points and many of yours too. I can't possibly understand how you think RKT beats unbound spectre and emptyhand. EmptyHand! How is that even possible? It just seems like you moved from Regulator Thanos to RKT as your new character who beats anybody.
@EmptyHand Yeah, you guys did clap...yourselves that is. I literally stopped replying because it was pointless to continue wasting time on an "intellectual" thread you guys kept beating a dead horse on. I put that word in quotations because it was not at all intellectual. It was actually f***ing stupid aff, and some people lost one too many brain cells even listening to that BS you guys came up with. Now, if you don't mind, let others have their opinion on that fight and go find some other character to ridiculously high-ball with actual reasoning.
Looking on I also thought @Holy_Joe won that round. @Mr_Incognito When I was called a rat you actually defended that insult. At least now you see how much of a low move it is.
I beg to differ. Joe lost imo, he didn't have any refutes to Lucifer's and EH's claims and scaling about RKT. The only ones he presented, were proven wrong. He also used some out of context scans for Spectre. This isn't supposed to be insulting or anything, I only wanted to share my opinion on the matter. Also, if y'all want to say that Lucifer and EH are w a n k i n g RKT or trolling, you should debate them on the topic and prove them wrong instead of complaining on the matter.
@Tyrannus When have i ever called you that? I said it was ok for someone else to say it to you because you were clearly upsetting him and kept pushing him after he was telling you he was getting angry. So in that context, i don't blame someone for saying it if you provoke them repeatedly. Just using it as a response to a completely neutral or benign comment is different. In that circumstance it is uncalled for, but if you egg someone on intentionally, that's a different story.
@DevyEZ Empty and Lucifer are two of my favorite debaters on this website, so in most cases i side with them bc of their knowledge. I do think they provided the better evidence, but it wasn't a stomp like people claim. I was just pointing out that it feels like trolling to me because i don't see any conceivable way for RKT to beat Unbound Spectre or Empty Hand. It just sounds wrong.
Why is Empty talking for me? I am not waiting for anything lol.
Anyway idc about your guys opinion, just either refute my scaling or not, or don't come after it and respect it too, then I don't have to debate it.
Also don't go saying around you won either. Cuz as long as you don't refute any points I made, it means you haven't won, and actually conceded. But yeah idc.
Why don't you all just shut the f*ck up and keep the judging to yourselves? I've stated several times that I'm not a professional debater like you clowns, but at least I'm able to provide evidence, use reasoning, and have a little knowledge on whatever it is. I really don't give much of a sh*t what y'all think of my debating skills, cuz I'm pretty sure you four first started off like me. Learn how to have humility for once in your damn lives.
bud, what evidence did u present that refutes empty's and lucifer premise? if you actually provided any ******* good evidence, they would have conceded. very simple.
@HolyJoe
LMFAO Professional Debater, no bro, I just read almost any Marvel story, and read much DC too.
Idc about debating, I provided the proof for my scaling & that's all I need. Idc about your debating skills LOL
Also with the evidence, you used 3 Presence scans for Spectre lol
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Rkt is nigh omniscient. Or maybe nigh omnipresent.
You can't nerf and/or inaccurately represent a character's true power ratings just so another character can match up better against him, this would make this website non-credible with no integrity. If a character deserves a higher rating then it is what it is. This website's characters shouldn't have their power ratings based on match ups but rather on their historical feats and their ascension to higher levels of power without restraining them because of other character's power ratings.
It even goes trough every realm of every reality
If you destroy Yggdrasil it, it means it will destroy automatically the multiverse
Yggdrassil spans all of space and time(multi eternity and multi infinity)
The tree of everything that connects cosmic cycles and create even new cosmic hierarchies
It's actually very easy to explain if you're not a hater?
Any version of Thor, no matter by which titles he goes or what earth he's on, all Thor versions are born automatically as a tier 8 Cosmic Being on this website due to him being a Complex Multiversal / Hyperversal being, like his father and mother. Heck he was a tier 8 when in his mother's whom, a tier 8 as he drew his first breath in his father's arms. His father is and has always been a tier 8 and his mother, the Elder Goddess Gaea (check her profile) is also a tier 8 and so much more powerful than Odin.
We've seen this being said and featured many times through out the decades of different arcs since his first appearance in Marvel. This is one of his well documented power among many other inherited other powers. Thor being Complex Multiversal/Hyperversal Cosmic being is just like Thor having two arms, he was born that way.
You could say it's a recessive gene in his lineage.
Therefore when the RKT run happened, it showed Rune King Thor ascending to now being an Outerversal Cosmic Being as he destroyed the world tree Yggdrasil where all 9 realms are in 9 different dimensions so therefore multiple dimensions and multiverses. From there he reached The Ones That Sit above in Shadows in an Outerversal Dimension.
So, by that feat, Rune King Thor became a tier 9 Cosmic Being who destroyed the world tree, ended the cycle of ragnarok and put an end to The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadows in the same process. Then the run ended because Rune King Thor became too powerful for Marvel to find different and regular new villains that would match up to him and his new acquired powers. The only other Cosmic entities in his new power level are all the other abstract Cosmic Entities which he would have no reasons to fight with as they all serve a purpose in the balance of powers be it universal, multiversal, Hyperversal or omniversal. Now, I'm pretty sure that if I get a reply from you, it will be very colorful and with 100 reasons why Rune King Thor shouldn't finally be given his proper power rating and tier 9 level up. Just remember his true lineage, he is half Asgardian and half Elder God. If you do check out Gaea's profile, make sure you read her history. @MoNsTeR All versions of Thor that are not tier level 8 should be updated to that level no matter how much it increases his power ratings. Thor didn't grow into becoming a tier 8, he was born a tier 8!
Again, thanks to his lineage, which I think you had a chance to read?
Any version of Thor, no matter by which titles he goes or what earth he's on, all Thor versions are born automatically as a tier 8 Cosmic Being on this website due to him being a Complex Multiversal / Hyperversal being, like his father and mother. Heck he was a tier 8 when in his mother's whom, a tier 8 as he drew his first breath in his father's arms.
We've seen this being said and featured many times through out the decades since his first appearance in Marvel. This is one of his well documented power among many other inherited other powers. Thor being Multiversal is just like Thor having two arms, he was born that way.
You could say it's a recessive gene in his lineage.
Therefore when the RKT run happened, it showed Rune King Thor ascending to now being an Outerversal Cosmic Being as he destroyed the world tree Yggdrasil where all 9 realms are in 9 different dimensions so therefore multiple dimensions and multiverses. From there he reached The Ones That Sit above in Shadows in an Outerversal Dimension.
So, by that feat, Rune King Thor became a tier 9 Cosmic Being who destroyed the world tree, ended the cycle of ragnarok and put an end to The Ones Who Sit Above In Shadows in the same process. Then the run ended because Rune King Thor became too powerful for Marvel to find different and regular new villains that would match up to him and his new acquired powers. The only other Cosmic entities in his new power level are all the other abstract Cosmic Entities which he would have no reasons to fight with as they all serve a purpose in the balance of powers be it universal, multiversal or omniversal. Now, from your initial comment, I'm pretty sure that if I get a reply from you, it will be very colorful and with 100 reasons why Rune King Thor shouldn't finally be given his proper power rating and tier 9 level up.
Here's Odin's Marvel profile for comparison to Gaea ... https://www.marvel.com/characters/odin/in-comics
And you might also want to read Thor issue #300 where you'll get to know Thor's true lineage and what it means to Thor's powers and abilities. Thor is half Asgardian and half Elder God. Hence why all the Thor profiles on here need to be updated, all should be tier 8 to start with and should be given the proper powers/abilities level he deserves. Just a quick sum up of Thor history that you will find in issue#300. Odin wanted an heir that would surpass him in powers in order to protect Asgard and all 9 realms, so he sought one of the last elder Gods known as Gaea (Greek name)/(Jord Norse name). And mated with her, he created a great beautiful cavern filled with sprites and all that Gaea needed to deliver Thor. After a while, Odin took Thor back with him to Asgard where his wife and goddess Frigga/Freya accepted to be his step mother.
Now there's many arcs/story lines that showed Prince Thor to be Multiversal from his first appearance in Journey into Mystery #83 till today. It's also been said many times that Odin is the most powerful and strongest Skyfather of all the earth's godly pantheons and which explains why Prince Thor was so more powerful and stronger than many other Gods and why he had the powers to fight the most powerful villains known in the Marvel Universe. Also, about Thor's creation by Stan Lee. Stan Lee has said many times over the decades that he created Thor because he wanted a character that would rival The Hulk not just in strength but also have more powers, so Stan Lee said literally, "what's more powerful than a God" and therefore he created the character of Thor. And it's well documented that when asked who was Marvel most powerful character both as an Avenger and marvel character on his own. Every time he was asked that question, he always and without missing a beat answered that Thor was the most powerful character he created. In the later years, say like the last decade before he passed, due to trying to no longer show any favoritism he now answered that the most powerful Marvel character was the one the readers preferred, he answered that way to be politically correct.
Quick example of Prince Thor's powers and great feat, he once fought Zeus for 9 months without any respite and I read in a more recent issue where Zeus fought one of the Hulk's more powerful version and literally destroyed the Hulk in a matter of minutes. Now we're at a point in history where Prince Thor is no longer, he is now All-Father King Thor (Thor Force) and though the profiles of King Thor on here are more powerful than All-Father King Odin (Odin Force), they are not high enough, simply because of his inherited powers through his Elder God mother Gaea. All versions of All-Father King Thor (Thor Force) should be updated to a little higher than what they are. Just because Gaea is so much more powerful than any and all Skyfathers of all earth's Godly Pantheon. @MoNsTeR , I included you in this answer because you got it right and would like to make my case with proof as to why all versions of Thor should all be tier 8 but also that I could show you why Gaea should be upgraded to one of her sister elder God, being Death's power levels. Gaea is the counter part to Death and represents life. Now before Earth was created, the 7 elder Gods were maybe "Outerversal" beings till they made earth their home base when it was created. The Elder Gods existed before all earth's godly pantheons weren't even a thought, that's how long the Elder Gods have been in existence. And with that said, I'd love to work with you and show you all the Origins, Lores, many arcs, established understanding of their entire existence and multiple feats up till today. That's if you would let me work with you and can give all the links needed to make my case. Fun fact, through Gaea side lineage, if I remember correctly, Thor is Zeus's uncle or the other way around. You might want to look it up or I'll find it again and send it to you. @Poe I hope this answers your question?
Only over single universe
read my post
this is just another avatar of toaa
the Rune king was formed only by the total power of odin force and Rune Magic.
So Rune King = Odin Force + Rune magic and Galactus >> odin force
and Rune Magic >= Dr Strange's magic.
So Galactus + Dr strange >= Rune King
and Spectre >>> Galactus + Dr strange.
Maybe I'm following a bit of a complicated method, but one is dc and the other is a marvel character. I didn't think of any other method other than comparing it in this way, and now when I read it, what I wrote Seems a little complicated to me. Anyway, the idea is that if the total power of dr Strange and Galactus is powerful than the Rune King, spectre can easily defeat him.
rkt>loki>tribunal
And loki is inside of hoi
I don't have discord, sorry
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Also this, the norns says that the gods exists in a time before time, and this time os when nothing exists, as they Said "the gods... Burst from the NON-BEING" the non-being (oblivion), as we know, is an oposite to the being (eternity) already the being is the existence, and non-being the inexistence (oblivion has Said this in Ice Man comic book, is not only association to the parmenidian thought), also the norns are the roots of the Yggdrasil according is said in king thor #4, and according is quoted, the norns started to exist starting the existence of gods. The norns itselfs writes the God stories.
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*Norns
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furthermore, in the mighty Thor comic book, it is again said that the Yggdrasil (seed) existed in a time before time, and as said in Thor season one, that time is oblivion. It makes no sense for you to state (probably based on Thor's first comics, more precisely in the Nordic tales, when odin sealing surtur and planting the Yggdrasil avatar on earth) because there are several, and several comics that prove what I say. In the same comic book it is said that the seed is the oldest thing in existence, and that when everything is destroyed, it recreates all existence. And also in the same comic book it says that Yggdrasil covers space-time, this alone proves that it cannot be younger than the earth.
* * Important detail: In the comic book HOTMU, what destroyed all existence was a collision with something that contained all matter and energy, this also proves that the seed existed before the 7th, 8th cosmos. Since odin mentions that the destruction of existence was by energy and matter.
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another thing that proves what I say, is Seth saying that Yggdrasil covers time itself, that alone proves (sorry for repeating it all the time) that it is not younger than the earth. Entering this merit, it is said that Yggdrasil itself is the factory of the Universe, the source of creation, the factory of the reality, and one thing that, when it was affected by enchantment, would destroy all creation. In addition, Yggdrasil encompasses the true form of the gods, which exists beyond the divine plan itself, and the Ragnarok is covered by Yggdrasil (true form of Baldur), and in this form the gods are archetypal beings, platonic beings. In fact, this Scan by asgard adds with Thor season one and the norns, since Yggdrasil covers the gods, and the gods exist first of all. another thing, this is for ALL GODS, since Yggdrasil is a Nordic vision for the same structure. For the Greeks, she is the axis mundi, for other pantheons, Silla and body Crown, for the horse, she is the Sephiroth. The goddess herself who says that the Yggdrasil / axis is the source of creation is a goddess of the Shinto pantheon.
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*Seth
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*Yggdrasil and gods
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*Baldur ragnarok
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*Universal fabric
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*entire creation affected
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* Reality fabric
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*Source of creation
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*Yggdrasil axis mundi
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System
Key: Base Thor | Odinforce Thor | Rune King Thor | Herald of Thunder
How can i post images?
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1. Yggdrasil is part of the second wave of gods
2. Yggdrasil has alternate reality versions in other dimensions, the 616 version isn't special, and they're not all connected.
3. Rune King Thor can't manipulate fate.
If you disagree with any of those, provide an actual argument.
I'm done with people acting like fools to cover up for the fact that they don't have a response.
If you can't prove any of my points wrong, don't respond.
You can't not be toxic
Please just grow up
@RajinKabir I wouldn't even put it that high. It technically came about at the same time as the first asgardians, in the second wave of gods. That would make it younger than earth. At best it could be a reality nexus, kind of like you're saying, but there's no proof that all Yggdrasils connect, and even if they did we don't know that Thor has the power of all of them.
When did you send it to me on my page?
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RKT can't even manipulate fate, so I don't know how he comes close to 465b stats. None of his actual feats would put him above Galactus level.
I have actually
Have you? Because it's pretty clear rkt can't manipulate fate.
Yggdrasil mainy connects to earth yes, that entire mythology is no more than part of the 2nd wave of gods.
Yggdrasil doesn't come close to tier 9, there's literslly a Yggdrasil in every universe, and they don't connect.
I have actually
Have you? Because it's pretty clear rkt can't manipulate fate.
Yggdrasil mainy connects to earth yes, that entire mythology is no more than part of the 2nd wave of gods.
Yggdrasil doesn't come close to tier 9, there's literslly a Yggdrasil in every universe, and they don't connect."- Yeah even more than 10 times. Btw, who is the retarded scaler who told you rkt can't manipulate fate. That is a retarded statement from a retarded scaler (no offence) btw, TWSAIS already said "we know you. We know your fate. You are no threat to us.
2. Yggdrasil exists within every plane of reality this is true but there is a true Yggdrasil which contains everything in marvel including farshore. Also rkt destroyed true Yggdrasil and it was also mentioned it's connects all the worlds and whole cosmos
2. Do not reading 1 comic does not means you are non comic reader . Savage usually reads comics related sentry, wolverine , fantastic four etc. But I am sure he do not read thor related comics that much. Also i said he did not read thor disassembled but i did not said he does not read comics. You are just using my words out of context.
That's calling somebody who wasn't able to read. So my claim is correct.
You saying people get toxic in debates like popular you-tubers Seth, Comics. That doesn't mean you should do the same here. If you are going to be toxic go to infowars.com or comicvine.
2. Excuse me honcho is from discord.
Also in this site many users are toxic like me like @Unknown @MrJaeger07 and many other users. Also you are acting like I have done cyberbulling to your friend while I did not. This is just a fictional debate not anything more than that. Also , before you reply me anymore go and hsve some debates. You will know the real nature of people . Only a few users like Tyrannus Dhruv are patientful and respects others. Also this just a darkside of my nature. I am really sorry if any of my words hurts you.
@Mr_Incognito Spreads the word fallacy.
@Soratumiga Specialist in toxic ness.
@ItachiDarkCraftXD that dude even abuses galactus and ezio https://www.superherodb.com/melkor-true-form/10-14660/comments/ ,
So is this a example of peaceful site for you? So the toxicity in this site is beyond your imagination. Now i don't want to pin more users for you but I am 100000% sure you did not devated with people. Also you are not understanding, everyone gets toxic in debates. Also read some of my comments I am not toxic every time. I only get toxic when there are reasons.
2. " Yeah the other users who are respectful grew mature like I am. "- So you mean claiming yhat i told y our friend illiterate while in reality I did not is a example of matureness🤔
Sora has been inactive for a long time so i don't know why you would use this as an example.
ItachiDarkcraft account has been deleted. Didn't have to ping him because Galactus took care of it.
Mr_Incognito can get arrogant sometimes but that still doesn't' count as toxicity so he doesn't count at all.
Most other users you mention are still inactive for months so I don't know what's the point in being faithless to turn into a toxic person still. I bet you would mention Sirspidey but who gives a crap anyways? He's not on here everyday trying to ruin the site.
percy
Are you really saying you aren't being toxic by arguing their are worse people on the site? What a terrible argument.
I can barely understand what you're saying your grammar is so bad. That's not an insult, just maybe read over your comments before you post them.
I don't even know what to say about fate manipulation. It's literally said that he can't manipulate fate. I'm not ignoring anything, you just can't debunk either of those points.
Does any of this make you less toxic?
Tahsin dude. If you want to be toxic. Why the hell are you even here. No site wants toxic people and especially here. This is a small community and you already want to make it a horrible site? You're being an asshole is what I have to say. Not that many users login on this site and you already want to create a bad community. Just get your head out of your butt and please take time to reconsider what you think about the site.
Yeah I agree there are way more people more toxic than you because you're not racist and saying negative slurs much. Though dude I just showed you that there's about 3 out of how many users that login that will be toxic for this site.
"So should not I crush him like a ant he is" - This is not his fault for getting tired of people overrating Thor. We have a forum is SHDB getting more biased. And this is exactly one of those reasons why it is.
@SSpiderGwen Thanks for backing me up, it means a lot
I don't even know what to say about fate manipulation. It's literally said that he can't manipulate fate. I'm not ignoring anything, you just can't debunk either of those points.
Does any of this make you less toxic?"-Yggdrasil reflects time itself. It is even older than time. I already showed the scan. Also i showed the scan of rkt manipulated his own fate from TWSAIS. You are just a hypocrite who can't even debunk a shit and telling non sense like annoying kid.😂😂. Also where is mentioned he can't manipulate fate. This is your delusional statement whom i don't care. Also since manipulated fate so his statement that ge can't do that will not gonna work. So nice try. Keep crying😂😂
If I can't change what you think about Rune King Thor. Then fine have it your way. I know your biased towards Marvel because you say Presence isn't a god when he created beings such As Micheal Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar and Spectre (Which he can fully power). I know I can't change what you think. Though I advise you to just go to a different site because there's going to be more people that are going to ignore your scans.
If I can't change what you think about Rune King Thor. Then fine have it your way. I know your biased towards Marvel because you say Presence isn't a god when he created beings such As Micheal Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar. I know I can't change what you think. Though I advise you to just go to a different site because there's going to be more people that are going to ignore your scans"- 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. By this logic odin is marvel god cuz he created asgard and created human beings. Also none of you even debunked me so yeah I won this. Also if I am marvel biased just because I think presence is not true god then your understanding over biased is fully wrong. Only some old scalers think presence is true god while he is not.
Is it really that hard? You've won nothing, Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods and rkt can't manipulate fate. Both are true. I have nothing more to say to you.
Is it really that hard? You've won nothing, Yggdrasil is part of the 2nd wave of gods and rkt can't manipulate fate. Both are true. I have nothing more to say to you"- then stop telling people fools otherwise next time I will crush you in a way you can't realize. Also i actually won the whole debate. Even i showed the scans so i actually won . Btw, Yggdrasil contains every thing in marvel and it is not second part of god. Also i clearly showed the scan you are just a hypocrite who can't even accept the truth.
Do you even know what the 2nd wave of gods is?
Well no wonder you think rkt is so powerful, you don't know how to scale earth-related gods.
Rune King Thor should be outerversal at least in the grand scheme of things. Yggdrasil is definitely more than low multiversal. Even an emanation of Yggdrasil within a single universe contains infinite planets and infinite universes. The main root literally connects infinite planes of reality and into the entire Marvel Multiverse. The "true form" of Yggdrasil reaches up to the Far Shore and connects to many afterlives and in Immortal Hulk, it's described as the Tree of Life which, if you read into, you'll know why it's more than just low multiversal.
@Pedrof Even after getting debunked and destroyed many times only some one like you can think that. Cucks
@Oblivion
i am being wasted here
Nigh-Omnipotence,
—He Knows the Past, Controls the Present, and Guides the Future.
—He Erased Mangog from existence.
—He atomizes Loki’s Army.
—He vaporized fire demons with just the stretch of his arm.
—He Breaks through the dimensional barrier to Valhalla which exists outside of reality.
—He one-shots the loom of creation.
—He banished the Gods Who Sit Above In Shadow and folded the true Yggdrasil out of existence after it consumed everything.
—He scales beyond Those Who Sit Above In Shadow who fed off of the stories from Loki God of Stories in Loki agent of Asgard
Omniscience,
—He can see through the veil of time,
—He Sees All things, animal and mineral,
—He sees beyond quantum structure;
—Beyond cosmic architecture,
—And into the nothingness of Gun-gingap/
Ginnungagap/Oblivion the Pre-Existing Void
—He knows the future and fate of all things- of every man and beast— every leaf on every tree
—He sees every deed, seen and unseen.
—Every battle won and lost.
—He knows the end of all things and the part that he must play in it.
—He knew who Those Who Sit Above In Shadow actually were and saw through them
—He has sight beyond sight.
—He knows the unknowable and sees the Unseen.
Nigh-Omnipresence,
—He transcends beyond Yggdrasil scales to the existence totality of creation.
—He scales beyond TWSAIS who are of the Outside. And the Outside the realm outside of all realms.
If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil;
Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.
All the fabric of reality will crash.
If the tree that bind all to come to harm, dire wouldst the result be. Were the merest branch severed, unmoored wouldst the ends worlds and heavens be.
Even Elder God Seth has TRIED to destroy all the infinite plans of time and space by destroying the main root of yggdrasil.
The world tree spans the space and time, growing in directions of which we can scarcely conceive.
The core of Yggdrasil is the heart of everything.
The Tree Connects All Life
And the birth of life and the mythologies and religions coincide with science, that all life came from one source, be it single-cell life or the body of a giant (Eternity) a cosmic egg or an explosion, and all of this is too Yggdrasil.
The Tree is impoissibly vast. Its spans beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept.
Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse,
and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse,
the entire structure of the multi-abstracts is administered by the crystals within the Starlight Citadel,
which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil, as we saw at surtur events, when Master Wilson let Surtur touch this structure.
Yggdrasil is the king of all stories, he is all that exists, has its roots and branches in everything that exists, and she passes through every star, planet, hero, villain, life, and history.
Yggdrasil is responsible for all cosmic entities
The Living Tribunal which is the cosmic entity responsible for the balance and judgment of the Multiverse, was born from the expansion of the big bang that gave rise to the multiverse. It is repeatedly said that.
Yggdrasil fits into the creation of all cosmic entities from the moment when all of the multiverse die "When the matter and energy of everything collapse inward before exploding forth and creating the next multiverse"
and by recreating the multiverse, the world tree give life for the entities like Galactus, And the next Galactus and multiverse. This is a clear system where it says that Yggdrasil is responsible for making cyclically the Ultimates always reborn.
Here it is also said that Yggdrasil encompasses the Living Tribunal,
which is a singular being in all the multiverse.
RKT and Gods of Gods
In Thor's period: Ragnarok (Thor v2 #83-85), the odin force asked Thor to complete the task of ending the Ragnarok cycle, the first steps was necessary that Thor "He must cast his very life aside, and must be reborn, must cease to be, and must be remade".
And he did it, he hung himself to death Yggdrasil's torso, through that he gained power to:
* know the past, control the present and guide the future
* See through the veil of time
* See All things, animal and mineral
* He sees beyond quantum structure; Beyond cosmic architecture
* And into the nothingness of Gun-gingap/Ginnungagap
Ginnungagap is the pre-existence void, it's there before all things come into existence. And will be there when it all ends.
(Oblivion)
Ginnungagap was the emptiness where the Gods of the Gods were.
And in Loki Agent of Asgard confirms that realm is "Outside the realms. Outside all realities"
After The Beyonders destroyed the entire Multiverse, this left Loki (God of Stories) outside of the Multiverse.
And outside of True Eternity is the realm where the Gods who sit above in shadows exist.
The Outside is a realm where none history can be placed because there is no space to be placed.
Loki even disputes the existence of the Gods of the Gods, talking about stories made of space and time, things the God of Gods were not.
Since The Gods of Gods scale beyond existence totality of creation, RKT must also be scaled, because he destroyed the true Yggdrasil and banished the Gods.
Tesseract to Dr. Erik Selvig.
RTK managed to destroy this tree, this is a universal feat, now can someone explain to me why it is outerversal?
Yggdrasil DOES NOT ENCOMPASS anything. You can consider it as a connector . But it works as a supporting structure to certain places and pantheon (Norse). And a single universe in marvel is far more complex. It has infinite dimensions and son on. So a single universe can be considered as a multiverse. And yggdrasil is connected to many of those. Also every universe has a yggdrasil. Each yggdrasil from its universe connects to every planet arguably 9/10 planets. You can drop the word universe because it makes things confusing. And I believe that the yggdrasils from all universes are connected to form the multiversal yggdrasil.
•Morris-Thorne
•Quantum-Brane-Cosmological (Higher Dimensions)
•If you JUST hurt main root of yggdrasil:1.Space and Time will bleed in light liquid.
2.All the fabric of reality will crash
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Yggdrasill
@pedrofOMAIOR Are yiu okay? Why do you even believe in wikipedia. Those wikipedia dudes tells that great evil beast is equal to presence which is absolutely false. By the way do you even read my scans? Imao. Again I direct comic proofs . Do you have that?(no). So stop wasting my time. Yggdrasil is always a high outerversal concept and it will always be that. By the way I don't know spanish. By the way
https://www.google.com/search?q=arvore+dos+nove+reinos&sxsrf=ALeKk01F3OmxMvxfIiwLk_CPh4LcprQYjg:1608819120658&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjV_Mah5ubtAhXWEcAKHa6uBXwQ_AUoAXoECB0QAw&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=XT9ouHbi78KtpM
It doesn’t have nine planets. Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse, and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse, the entire structure of the True Eternity is administered by the crystals inside the Starlight Citadel, which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/liberproeliis/images/8/8c/RCO005_1465462151.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191202062640&format=original
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/liberproeliis/images/2/2e/RCO003_1474482661.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191222162101&format=original
Yggdrasil encompasses the living tribunal.
Or This
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/liberproeliis/images/5/5a/RCO015_1461994210.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191202062845
Odin said that Yggdrasil is everything and has its roots and branches in everything that is.
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
https://marvel.fandom.com/pt-br/wiki/Yggdrasill
I did some research of this tree and I didn't find anything saying that the tree is the link between everything. And even if what you say that the tree has 10 universes, destroying it is a multiversal feat, that is, RKT is supposed to be with tier 7. And from what I found, the tree is in the center of the universe and has 10 planets (kingdoms) including Midgard, you know very well that it is Earth, that is, it is not a universe, and another is Asgard, which is also a planet with a flat surface.
2) You change it to "RKT is universal" and then label blue as Thor fans (jk)
2) Wdym?
2) Okay, I'll be blunt from now on if that's what you'd like. You're blue...understand?
2) what color has to do with lol the only thing that matters is context which is perfectly understandable
2) You change it to "RKT is universal" and then label blue as Thor fans (jk)
3) @Atemporal false
And also, you are one of the offenders!
RKT is a fodder 😂 and people wank it and change scaling to another characters
and i'm waiting
here my discord (Zein Mohamed.#3987)
Well everyone know that but we gonna debate CIH VS Toba
Of Course TOBA uses Hulk Body Soul and Bruce banner soul everybody know that
But that not the point i want it
CIH Power is About TOBA and IH
In immortal Hulk issue 25# When just everything has been destroyed
TOBA wasn't able to take Hulk and Bruce soul , He just destroyed Hulk body
Here He destroyed Hulk body
Here where everything just gone ,, Bruce Banner said
(I Think It Killed The hulk , just focus when it says i Think which means he isn't sure)
And Bruce banner was speaking out there which means toba didn't kill his soul , not even Hulk
IH and Toba just the same, TOBA is All Gamma Power, Hulk is his son
Even if u say CIH VS TOBA , TOBA just gonna fight him self ?? with The Hulk Because Just Remove TOBA power, the left is IH and banner
that case TOBA vs IH with means This is another Thing u mean it , And Ofc TOBA stomps IH , But can't Stomps CIH becuase like i say ,they are the same
https://www.superherodb.com/cosmic-immortal-hulk-vs-the-one-below-all/90-416348/
i didn't even say CIH beat TOBA ,kiddooo
Yes we already saw you, everyone except Lucifer is fodder and especially if it's from Marvel HAHA
@Breaker WTF what is that supposed to prove CIH is superior to TOBA? Literally what makes you think TOBA broke the Hulk's body because he couldn't ''take his soul''? It's as simple as TOBA loses the link with IH and then proceeds to eliminate him from existence, if there were two TOBAS it would be the same, since using Hulk's body limits TOBA, so TOBA still stomps.
Ok then you never said that CIH beats TOBA so it's "understandable" it bothers you that I use it, but when did I say RKT is omnipotent or that he beats TOAA for you to use it as your own sarcastic phrase? hahaha LOOOL, sorry, I know I'm a bit toxic sometimes, but Galactus doesn't disagree that I use my nasty vocabulary as HolyJoe has done as long as I don't break the rules, I hope you're okay with that XD.
u just saying something about me i didn't even say it that , cih beats toba and i didn't even say that lmfao
*Supposed to prove CIH is superior to Toba*
u didn't even understand what i said about my scans i jsut said CIH is About Hulk And Toba , u just wanna remove Toba Power out of the Hulk
That means u are saying IH Base Vs Toba
and i mean it That CIH is Toba him self with the hulk
Because IT DIDN'T show that TOBA take Hulk Soul he only take and destroyd his body lmfao
and u just did say it u say TOBA unlink with IH , which means it is TOBA vs IH , Not Toba Vs CIH lmfao
*Ok then you never said that CIH beats TOBA*
yes i didn't say that lmfao u just told me i'm saying that and yes it bothers me
because u are trying to say something that never i said it loool
but when did I say RKT is omnipotent or that he beats TOAA for you to use it as your own sarcastic phrase
OMG u are an idiot , u are just a new user u don't even understand anything
i'm just saying what old users say about RKT like sirspidey, yes i said that about u , because u were wank RKT so much like some users like u do
sorry, I know I'm a bit toxic sometimes
i don't need ur sorry lmfao just werid to say a editor or mod speaking like this so somebody dosen't even know who is he lol
i break the rules many times yes i don't say no , But if u are nice with me i'm gonna be nice with u ,
And in case you didn't notice, I also anecdoted that if there were two TOBAS, CIH would also lose not only base IH.
Sure, you tend to confuse me with those idiots like SirSpidey who thinks RKT oneshots TOAA and generalize, but from now on I gonna say you to not generalizing, I have RKT above where most have him on my scale cuz I think he's much more powerful than what he looks and people underrate him to the point of saying to anyone who debates in his favor ''wanker'' just like you do, and there may be some idiots who think that RKT beats TOAA, but what annoys me is they confuse me with them and generalize, especially when there are several times in which I vote against RKT or in which I say he loses, we aren't all the same and if you are someone mature enough you should know it.
I didn't ask you if you needed my sorry or not lol, I apologize in general for having used a grotesque vocabulary, but more than being asked is my duty as a staff.
Why should I stop being nice to someone just because I have a different point of view? for example @RajinKabir doesn't think RKT is that powerful and we constantly debate cordially about it, which is different from going around saying that RKT is WaNkEd but he doesn't have the chops to debate me below or express his points, beyond what normally people think, and it was never personal.
@Atemporal Then what is a person who knows about comics supposed to be? you are one? Please don't use the same cheap excuse as always and admit things well, also there was no need to use such bad language, that is a reason even to mute you.
there's nothing called two tobas lmfao but u just saying unlink IH from TOBA and it will be already IH alone with means TOBA stomps , But How toba gonna fight him self with hulk soul ? (CIH)
Yes because u really look like sirspidey idiot dosen't think, thor wanker , i've read about all ur scales u just repeating ur self everytime lol
because u really the same saying RKT=TOAA , RKT=beyonder ,. i mean **** off lol
u don't need to vote against to RKT to prove u are not a wanker ,.ur way about the character prove that u are a wanker lol and u gonna still be a wanker as well
i'm not telling u about u or rajinkabir wtf u trying to change the way u want to run i'm telling u u are a editor or something like that and talking like this idgaf about what u say lol to ur idiot RKT scales just keep repeating ur self ,
The "two TOBAS" thing was a proper assumption for a hypothetical confrontation between CIH and TOBA (TOBA within IH vs TOBA apart) which would not be the same as "fighting himself" and it would also be a stomp.
I don't look like SirSpidey at all lol, I'd be debunked if you just sent a single screenshot of me saying NOT IRONICALLY ''RKT = TOAA'' or ''RKT = Beyonder'' you p*ssy hypocrite, u don't even know me so you're saying that too to take everyone who supports RKT as the same idiotic wankers as spidey, if you think so much RKT is fodder and has no chance being Outer then try to prove my points wrong you unhappy coward.
Literal LMAO you're calling me wanker just cuz yeah and for no reason other than the same stupidity hahaha, at this point, I don't care what a careless kid like you thinks.
What are you talking about wtf I haven't even told you my scale regarding RKT lmfao I don't even know you to say that I am repetitive and I was just taking RajinKabir as an example that even though he has a different opinion from mine about RKT we always debate cordially and don't go around spitting that I'm a "RKT wanker" or ironic sh*t from "RKT is oMnIpOtEnT" like you or atemporal.
yes u were trying to bother me or either trolling me but no nothing xD u still a thor wanker
lol no ,. if u even trying to put 2 toba Like toba Vs IH and Toba (same With Cih) it just gonna be the same TOBA power Vs TOBA power idiot lol
no u are because The first one started to wank is sirspidey him self ,then u with another users u bi*** coward scared to be trolled by everyone lol ,
prove ur idiot trash points about what ? TWSAS is way above beyonders ,then saying (i just now knew it it was PrE BeYonDer) and voted to him ,. lmfao TWSAS not even the beyonders u just copy this shit from marvel wiki or any another wiki and telling me this , if u gonna go that way i'm gonna bring u galactus from another wiki who typed to be omnipotent lmfao , idgaf about u i just gonna keep doing this u (wanker) xd
and don't give me an example or trying to bring ur friends to help ur ass from me , just me and u , MF
1) Lol you didn't even prove what I asked you as I supposed, I have NEVER said that RKT beats TOAA or that it is equal to Beyonder learns to differentiate between Beyonders (who are much weaker than THE Beyonder) and Pre-retcon Beyonder damn illiterate, literal TWSAIS scales above Beyonders easily via AoA issues when Beyonders destroyed the Multiverse and TWSAIS and Loki were in the Outside as if nothing, which is out of the 8th cosmos Multi-Eternity' manipulation where even the Beyonders exist within and cannot get out from.
2) When I said ''I just realized this is pre-retcon Beyonder'' I meant the post-retcon version is much weaker and that would lose to RKT lol calm your little hater ass down, I know you're desperate to find proof that I'm the same as SirSpidey but don't start inventing things either lol and yes, this is between you and me, but at no time did I see you complaining when @atemporal also got in lol, I guess it's because he was against me, something hypocritical of you the truth.
Fun fact: I don't care if you believe me or not, but I wasn't the one who reported your comment lol, in fact I just connected and saw your answer, I guess that will give you to understand there are more people with common sense on this site.
Then you ask others to be respectful, when you are just a fake person pretending.
YES U never said that i'm just trolling u with some old wankers users like u lmfao , do something about it kid and i know beyonder is way stronger from the beyonders and yes u just said it (pre retcon) beyonder and RKT can't beat anyone of those lmfao u just Trying to post ur idiot scans from marvel wiki and some ret*** comics not understandable trying to proof that RKT way above Beyonders lol
Ofc ,there's just a small proof , Sirspidey Says RKT=TOAA and u say RKT>>>Beyonders lmfao 😂 u really look like sirspidey , i didn't even mention him or even saying something about him , i just see u are a editor and speaking like this lmfao
Fun fact : if u are not , i'm maybe sure some RKT wankers like u who reported , and u just because a editor understand the people when trolling u and saying Rkt Is omnipotent ,or rkt=toaa , but u just can't accept this (facts) that just making u mad 😳
RKT=TOAA 😳😳
Beyonders > RKT
Scarlet Witch (Prime) > RKT
How powerful are Beyonders supposed to be according to you? lol they're not actually as powerful as many think just because they oneshotted Living Tribunal which wasn't even the one who reside in the superflow nor is the true lol, are you surprised that I speak like this as an editor? Well surprise, I treat how they treat me, you're tough with me, I'm tough with you, you're nice and respectful with me, I'll be so with you, although it doesn't always apply lol.
In fact, the only people who can report comments are from editors onwards, you don't want to call everyone who has a job in SHDb as ''RKT wankers'' lmfao
no , not at all i surpised lol , just how u have been become mad kid uses swears everytime and go mad everytime when everbody call him wanker 😂
i didn't call everyone a rkt wanker u hypocrite (i said some RKT wankers which means they are just like u . they love thor and wank him everytime like u)
Literally what? I didn't understand absolutely anything of what you just said regarding Loki and I don't know what about TWSAIS lol if you calmed down a little more and behaved like a civilized person maybe I wouldn't take you as someone "-0000 iq" LOL.
Just so you know at this point I don't care about what trollers like you say about I wank Thor no matter what, then I'll start trolling you with the same thing about Hulk wank so you also get as ''depressed'' as me every time they call me wanker, I swear that if they tell me one more time like this I'll commit suicide huh 😂😂 imagine not noticing the sarcasm here lol
I mean those who have the ability to report comments are only from editors onwards I never said you said that they're all a RKT wanker, you damn misinterpreter lacking in reading comprehension.
Because yeah no buddy can take this shit only Who wank RKT like u and also That wasn't Post recton LT ,. That was the real LT u just did said (wasn't even the one who reside in the superflow) so Yeah this is so funny argument how he's Multi-Mobodies ? LMFAO that just because Beyonders killied him ? i mean uh.. Yeah ofc so this is a nice great Troll Beyonders=Multi-eternity,Ofc u can't understand ? what u want to run from something LOOOL it so clean and so so so obvious what i did said , That u are posting an idiot trash scans about What did Loki said like this one
Yes, then u who did reported and u just a new member overhere that don't know from 1 year ago or less maybe that any member can report comments not only editors lol
RKT IS oMniPotEnT
I read that and what I did was basically this XD
Lol and as I supposed you didn't notice the sarcasm behind haha well, as a person of peace that I am I'm going to propose one last thing and that's that we leave all this here to keep everything cool between us while we do that none of this happened, you agree bud or do you want to continue discussing smh, PS: I'm not trolling with this lol
i'm debating with u , kid 😂
oh boi u are repeat me with the photo 😂 Good to see ret*** kid repeat the same meme i use 😂
first u said (you don't even pay attention to anything I've posted below)
second u said (you don't pay sh*t attention to my scans damn liar)
now u said (I haven't even posted it) can u stuck at one ? 😂 damn this is so fking funny
What is this u damn idiot ? giving me a profile link so this is a proof ? LMFAO i think u need to read comics kid 😂 let's avoid MultiE here , so What about the beyonders ? they are aren't equal to 8th cosmos Wtf are u talking about lmfao The 8th cosmos comes after what the Beyonders did LMFAO , hide what ? my bad spelling ? f**k u kid lol , My grammar ? Well , yes my whole english is trash , everyone notice and know that but that not a argument if u can't understand my grammar u won't even respond lmfao (Bad bad bad Argument kid)
HAHAH lmfao Rkt iS OmNIpOTeNt and i'm not gonna stop discussing ,i can discuss for a year lol , and yeah
RkT >>> OmNIpOTeNt
LMAO when did I call someone else now you're getting crazy and yes you didn't debate Lucifer and Empty because even though you hate RKT and you don't agree with him being Outer you sh*t yourself and you didn't have enough evidence to debunk a sh*t of them haha, you're fired cuz RKT is more powerful than you would like, for me continue with your trolling of ''rKt >>> oMnIpOtEnT'' haha don't mind.
Yes because you haven't even seen anything I put down much less do you deserve to see all my evidence lol all that for you is garbage and you will always keep thinking the same thing cuz ur bias against Thor cuz base Thor beats the green sh*t out of base Hulk haha with good reason many of the Hulk's fanboys disagree with RKT being Outer I'll not mention anyone because later they get involved and the worst thing is you don't complain about it but when it comes to someone getting in my favor you complain you damn hypocrite 😂
If you were smart enough you would've noticed that the profile pic of the post-retcon LT I sent you a link of is the same from the scan where Beyonders killed him, what is missing is you deny it LMAO
Lmao you're right Beyonders aren't even close to 8th cosmos which puts RKT much higher than them lol and they weren't the ones who made the 8th Multiverse destroyed I was wrong, also when TWSAIS fled from Loki in AoA they went to the 9th cosmos yes, that Multiverse destroyed by the Breaker of Worlds then this would scale RKT to the CIH level although this is a very risky theory but the truth at this point I'm thinking of begin trolling and biasing like u kid 😂
Yes your whole english is trash for the first time you say something correct the only thing is that I have adaptation and can waste my time at surreal levels with assholes like you so I could do this all day as well XD.
Plus I expected that answer from you and the truth is you'll not like it when you are muted haha you almost gave me pity kid you made a mistake when you messed with me
rKt is WaNkEd
Yes u are wrong Reed did that Would what scale RKT to CIH Lmfaaaaaaaaaaao god damn 😂😂 Okay want to debate This also it's so fking funny u want to run from a debate to another debate 😂 why are u so funny i don't need ur option about my English because everybody knows that and if u can't debate just yes don't waste ur idiot time kid go to ur school , drink the milk before u sleep😂, muted ? speak to ur self u will be muted it's like u say u don't even say any bad spelling god damn u are so funny 😂 , no this is better
RkT Is WaNkEd AnD hE SCaLe To CiH😂
🤣 I'm Waiting
@SupremeDreams yes he did , wanka
2. What did oblivion prove? He proved nothing.
sorry but i guess i can't speak to fake accounts again
More like : he who solos fake accounts and rkt wankers
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-staff-only.73205/#155
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-part-3.74953/#328
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-comics-possible-yggdrasil-upgrade-part-4.79045/
RKT stuff was mostly debunked in these thread btw.
''According to Quantum Cosmologist Erik Solvong, Yggdrasil is a kind of Quantum Metaverse. Yggdrasil is kind of a map, the nine worlds that we recognize as being a part of yggdrasil are just the tip of a infinite iceberg. What we know as world are universes, complex, discrete, and fully-formed.
And yes, Yggdrasil as Dr. Solvong said, it has not only nine realms, but infinite universes, baldur himself states that all infinite earths are part of it''
This is the most supported fact and that nobody has been able to debunk without real evidence that contradicts it more than making their own downplaying-rebuttals, the scans supporting 1-A Yggdrasil are way more consistent.
^^There are infinite universes
Erik selvig literall says that "lel your fodder tree is nothing compared to infinite universes out there"
yeah m8 outerversal yggdrasil agreed.
@Akhilpdx Pls make rkt nigh omnipotent.
1. Toaa
2. Hoi tiers
3. Toba
4. Oblivion
5. Ultimates Molecule Man
6. Twsais
7. Fused galactus
8. Queen of nevers
9. Multi Eternity 10th incarnation
10. Breaker of worlds
^ literally everything mentioned one shots thor
Plus as @Supreme said PF and Knull aren't Outers, at most they're complex Multi or low Hyper.
CAS vs RKT, i think you should need to read, i think you've already read, didn't you?
SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVEN'T READ MY COMMENTS
just because someone exist outside of reality that doesn't make them outerversal, LT, multi Eternity, multi infinity, multi Death, multi oblivion
Also exist outside of all realities and WPOTC exist even outside of Oblivion, time, all realities, space etc
If TWSAIS are outerversal just because they exist on Oblivion then character like Captain America, Black Widow exist on universe/Eternity
So that means they are universal(equal to Eternity) ? LOL
Basic concept
Very basic
I'm posting them because i think it will help you to understand concept of yaggdrasil
Have you ever read about yaggdrasil in any comic which is not related to asgard? LOL, i have not.
Even galactus clearly describe about it. And it doesn't said "root of yaggdrasil" he said "yaggdrasil"
LT judge the multi eternity(marvel multiverse) that's why he exist in superflow but you trying to say TWSAIS=TOAA? I don't think that makes any sense. TOAA should be outerversal.
Even galactus went to outside once so that means Galactus became outerversal for few minutes and return to universal ?
TWSAIS feed on stories of HOI not HOI LOL
And again, if they were outerversal why they need to feed on life energy of asgardians ? Why they even need to feed ? Even multiversal being don't need to feed.
Around and below the roots of Yggdrasil = nidavellir, midgard, jothunheim, savarthalfheim
Far below the roots of Yggdrasil= hel, niffleheim, mushpelheim
I did not said existing outside make you outerversal, you are the one who saying that. And yes according to your theory Multi eternity >>> LT
Stop blaming me for your misunderstanding and making false theory, brother.
I didn't expected that I have to show scans to prove your theories wrong.
1. The World Trees you see within the universes and maps are merely its' roots or branches . Well seth said"
You see in the map above is upper part of yaggdrasil which makes it complete yaggdrasil, and mid and below are roots of yaggdrasil
Still don’t believe me?
How about this."
Seems like you haven't understand yet, see the map again.
"It literally states that the root was the one that got shattered, and yet, all the realms are in chaos. Again, more proof that the World Trees you see within the universes are the true Yggdrasil’s roots.Hell, the roots of the World Tree bind the entirety of the Marvel Cosmos.
Similarly the Yggdrasil you are showing me is its' roots not true Yggdrasil. True Yggdrasil contains everything in marvel and its' the omniverse and I already shown you scans."
It's bind the cosmos because it is center of universe i already showed you the scans. And it's universe not omniverse. Do i need to explain omniverse for you ? Cause i think you don't know the meaning of omniverse.
"2.You really didn't read my scans. TWSAIS feeds on the stories from house of ideas not the life force energy of asgardians. That's why they are outerversal." They also feed on life energies of asgardian if not then why they bring the ragnarog ? LOL
And again, why outerversal being need to feed ? Lmao. You said that galactus was multiversal that means only when he became multiversal he don't need to consume planets, but why TWSAIS need to feed? If they outerversal... LOL your theory is so funny brother.
"3. That was lifebringer galactus who is multiversal level being. But stll he said that he can't survive in the outside."
He survived for few moments and he is not multiversal, so that means he became outerversal for fem moments?
And you have never debunked any of my scans. You just talking about your theory
If you really wanna debunk my scan then show me the entire map of yaggdrasil? LOL
That's so funny because you are confusing yourself and you are disproving yourself
This is also your previous comment
"2. Those who sit above in shadows exist outside all realities in oblivion"
And dude please click the " ? Help " button so you can see how to post scans and links on this site
Try This
So i can see your scan
I repeat if that was root of yaggdrasil then show me actual yaggdrasil? Can you?
And as i said before it bind all cosmos cause it is center of universe.
If you wanna post scan then before posting picture's url type this [img] and then paste url
2. It have no map because you are wrong dude, you are following wrong statement.
You are trolling, right?
But if you still don't believe me then you don't need to believe me
Cause even writer himself confirmed that yaggdrasil is not even multiversal let alone omniversal
The Tree Connects all life. And the birth of life and the mythologies and religions coincide with science, that all life came from one source, be it single-cell life or the body of a giant (Eternity) a cosmic egg or an explosion, and all of this is too Yggdrasil. The Tree is impossibly vast. Its span in beyond all measure, mortal or divine, in some places it exists only as a concept. Yggdrasil sustain Otherworld who connect All the Multiverse, and also connect the Multi-Eternity and Multi Infinity/Omniverse, the entire structure of the True Eternity is administered by the crystals inside the Starlight Citadel, which is sustained by the energies of yggdrasil, as we saw at surtur events, when Master Wilson let Surtur touch this structure.
Yggdrasil is the king of all stories, he is all that exists, has its roots and branches in everything that exists, and she passes through every star, planet, hero, villain, life, and history.
You said whatever he said on twitter is invalid ? LOL, but I'm 100% sure his opinion matters way more than your my friend.
You saying my proof are fan theory ? Claim of writers are fan theory? My friend, I'm sorry but i don't know where you came from you don't sound like you are from earth.
He said he uses omniverse as synonyms of multiverse but after he claimed that he was wrong.
Just to remind you friend. You are not the writer. You can't debunk writer XD
So if some 3,4 fanboys says Captain America is omniversal then he will really omniversal just because we lived on democracy? LMAO
You are keep saying that you have debunked my claims but you haven't replied my more than half of questions, and you have ignored more than half of my scans, and you haven't shows anything that i asked you to prove.
Thank you.
No. Thank You
And i already showed the entire map of yaggdrasil.
Maybe you don't know but new comics are always batter and updated.
You showing non related scans to disprove actual claims of writers?
LOL and you said you replied my every question, but I'm still not seeing the answer of those questions which were more important?
I'm asking again. 1. You can debunk my claims about yaggdrasil only if you show the actual map of yaggdrasil which is doesn't exist because your statement are wrong, so you are the one who making fan theory and calling claims of writers calling fan theory.
2. Why outerversal being need to feed, while even universal being don't need to feed ?
3. And where they said existing outside make you outerversal?
4. According to your theory if TWSAIS exisin oblivion so they are outerversal, that means Captain America, Black widow exis on eternity, so are they multiversal ?
5. Where is your scans that can debunk my those first 2 scans ?
6. When galactus step in outside so that makes him outerversal fo few moments?
7. Have you ever read about yaggdrasil in any comic which is not related to asgard?
You said existing inside eternity is not outside, that's right, but it's outside for who exist in oblivion, it's outside of oblivion, like if you live on earth then that means you lived on planet but if you lived on March then you are not on planet? LOL your theory is so funny which is not confirmed. And yes galactus went outside.
I don't have this scan on my gallery but you can se hare.
Click help button above your comments box so you can know how to post image.
This from MOHB, i hope you know what is it.
Then gods of gods made by gods
This is from 'Thor Man Of War'
You are only using information from quora, i don't think you really have comic knowledge. And if you gonna show me information from quora then hare is another guy debunked all those scans maybe you haven't read and they also titled FINAL
Go and read it I'm to lazy to write those things which already have been written by another person.
And
5. You never gave any scan that can debunk my those 2 scans which is from 2019's comic
You just gave older scans which can't debunk newest one.
6. Galactus told that he can't survive outside long, but he were outside for few moments, ok just easy for your brain, forget about galactus and tell me if anyone who can lived on outside that mean they are outerversal ?
7. LOL i mean marvel comic which is nothing related to asgard.
Go and cheak on marvel official site https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/22547/thor_man_of_war_2008_1
LOL as i said before you are totally wrong and you proved it by yourself. You are following wrong number bro.
5. You gave scans those are older than mine which cannot debunk new.
6. Nobody said he survived 5 minutes, i just asked you that anyone who can exist on outside are outerversal or not?
And outside ks not omniverse, why don't you do some research about 'omniverse' i think i also explained about it. Everything is omniverse.
And marvel officially released in 2008. Maybe that your site uploaded on 2009. I think this site is not legal. I don't think comic book release date can be different in different countries.
And where is written that "map is only roots of yaggdrasil" ? Oh only one your comments that is written by you. But you are not writer, my friend. Your opinion doesn't matter.
And I'm not talking about map of yaggdrasil I'm talking about my first 2 scans which you cannot debunk in your whole life.
You haven't even debunked those map. you just saying those are roots of yaggdrasil but when i asked for proof, you failed to show me proof. Again your words doesn't matter without proof.
Telling others that they haven't read comic but you are yourself unaware of MOHB ? LOL oh you just claimed yourself that you just read some thor related comic. My bad.
Read MOHB then you can know meaning of omniverse, omniverse is only one. Omniverse include all fiction and Non fiction.
Lmao, you can't accept fact even i already gave proof. Now see my friend who is really dumb.XD! and go and cheak on marvel official site they showing published date not review date.
You only saying "i debunked your scans already"
Question is by your words ? Or by your fan theory? LOL what's your age? Brother! LMAO
See yourself now my friend, you are still not ready to accept that you are wrong. Even i prove you totally wrong.
And you just being fake.
You just wanna look like comic reader just by visiting Google. No offence but you just looking like dumb, my brother.
I don't know why you crying like a 12 years kid. But don't worry it's just a debate about fictional character, you won't lose anything.
Those things that you need to buy, you getting free then it's illegal my friend.
And only your site (readcomiconline or whatever) uploaded on their site in 2009. You showing that you don't even buy comics but you claiming that you know everything about marvel official site
LOL if you think you looking like smart person then please stop this, my friend! because you just looking like a dumb (again no offense)
LOL and the guy who saying yaggdrasil contains only 9 realm have 2 post and guy who saying yaggdrasil have only one post. And he got replied of his every words
But i just realised even if proof is in front of you then still you can't accept the truth. LOL
Best of luck with your knowledge my boy. XD
Old comic might have some mistakes just like before Phoenix force stated as omnipotent but after they made it Nigh Omnipotent, before odin stated as omnipotent but after they corrected that, sentry also stated as omnipotent but they also correct it on latest comics LOL
Did i said that "you said map of yaggdrasil is true yaggdrasil" ? LMAO now you are confusing yourself and making dumb yourself. I said "true yaggdrasil" doesn't exist that's why they didn't stated.
and again where is your "true yaggdrasil's map" ? LOL
I asked for proof and you failed
Your words doesn't matter, without proof. If you think true yaggdrasil exist then you have to show the map of true yaggdradil
And again where was that written, that my map is not true yaggdrasil ?
Where they even says the word "true yaggdrasil" ?
Lmao you can't even understand the point
This scans saying only "roots of yaggdrssil" it didn't said "map is root of yaggdrasil" know the different.
And tell me where is that written it's a roots? And this scans from 2019 so your old scan won't work hare
I know you can't accept the truth even if i show you the truth. And you showing debunked scans and saying that you have debunked me. I don't know if you can understand point or not.
Yes my brother you debunked my point my your imagination😂😂😂
Yes brother you are understanding everything, you are omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Unless you have actual proof😂😂
Thank you for showing me right information😂😂😂
You just opened my eyes, i was so blind. I really wanna thank you from bottom of my heart my goid friend😂😂😂
Yaggdrasil contains 9/10 realms only in mythology not in Marvel comic.
Thank You.
Al Ewing clearly said he can't say anything about thor related stuff and he also said that "ask to thor's writers"
And hare is he. My boy!
And this tweet from: November 21- 2020
Today is: November 23- 2020
Click on blue lines where i said that "yaggdrasil doesn't even contains 9/10 realms"
You just said he never wrote any thor comics ?😂😂😂😂 lmao
I don't know what kind of comic do you read. Are those comic written by yourself? 😂😂😂
If you don't agree with him, nobody cares, you are not from earth😂😂😂
Did they said? LMAO NO. neither they will. Writers is not dumb, brother. They says everything reasonable.
And did said again Walt Simenson have not wrote any thor comics ? LMAO
then tell me who wrote 'Thor Omnibus' ? Who wrote mighty thor 2003, mighty thor vol5 ? Who wrote thor visionaries ? Who wrote ragnarok #1 #2 #3 #9 ? Who wrote Thor Definitive Thor Reloaded ?
Why you still keep embarrassing yourself, my brother?
I'm just not trying to make you embarrassed, i want you to realise yourself but you have no comic knowledge, you clearly shows that.
AL Ewing didn't wrote "Thor Ragnarok" that means his claimed about RKT cutting TWSAIS from feeding HOI is fake? Because RKT is not his topic.
Who told you far shore is outerversal ?
It doesn't matter where they exist they can't be outerversal, existing won't make anyone outerversal, only feats make outerversal and they are featless
So you debunked yourself.
Thank you for your theory
So you find out something like that on your one day long research?😂
And why you showing scan that is nothing related to topic? LOL what you wanna prove with it ? And that is not DC universe son that is just another universe, DC universe is very fine.
Who told you that mighty thor 2003 is title? It just mighty thor but easy to remember, it's shows that you don't even know how far mighty thor is going.
And the guy asked that does yaggdrasil contains only 9 realm or entire multiverse and he said yaggdrasil was never made to contain anything(one or other/ realm or multiverse)
Still trying to debunk writer?
I'm not denying writers but you are making your own theory to denying writers just because you can't accept truth, before you were trying to debunk AL ewing.
And according to your theory opinion of those writers who didn't wrote thor's comic doesn't matter, and Al Ewing never wrote any comic of thor, he wrote loki agents of asgard which is loki's comic not thor
And Walt is thor's writer and he wrote so many comic of thor, do some research.
You trying to debunk those people who make fiction by their thoughts/ idea ? Just because your favourite character losing debate. And he is not powerful as you thought
He was never powerful like that
RKT is just thor who have rune magic and how powerful is rune magic ?
LOL its very powerful but not powerful as you think
Dr strange also held rune magic
And he stated to be god of magic/more powerful than rkt
But he defeated by Void
...
RKT events happened on 1998 but you trying to wank him now ? Oh i figure out, you that guy who knew thor only when he became popular by movies and became a fan. XD
LOL your opinion doesn't matter when you trying to argue against writer.
If you still saying this map is root of yaggdrasil
Then RKT destroy root of yaggdrasil😂 he also didn't destroy true yaggdrasil
Because true yaggdrasil doesn't exist in MU
RKT destroyed yaggdrasil but it didn't effect anything, it didn't even universe not even 9 realms so yes it didn't even encompass 9 realm yaggdrasil the world tree encompass nothing it's just a fodder tree.
still saying J Michael wrote might thor ?😂😂😂 how embarrassed you are. I don't think J Michael even write a comic, work on tv shows movies etc.
LMAO my boy offending just because he losing debate😂
Writers are not dumb who include dc universe in marvel canon
Someone telling me to read comic who became fan just by watching movies😂
Yea, only dumb fanboys will agree with you
LMAO you yourself said before opinion of those writers who haven't wrote any thor comic doesn't even matter
I didn't said that.
See yourself bro.
And he never said "yaggdrasil contains everything in marvel"
Asking my problem? What If someone says "black widow killed TOAA" without proof ? Yea my problem is same.
LMAO odin force is not even Galaxy lvl force
Who told you that odin force is low multiversal ?😂
Once odin uses odin force against Galactus but it just break crown of Galactus but odin himself got knocked out, Galactus is only universal being.
Dr strange didn't want rune magic for lifetime he just wanted to get back his sorcerer supreme from loki so he offered dog it's kind of sacrifice.
Lol no where mentioned it's rune magic ? Then tell me where is rkt mentioned to be outerversal ? Where is be mentioned to be nigh omnipotent ? But you still saying he is outerversal.
Thor defeated void just because sentry allowed him.
Just because you said so ?
He merged with universe not true eternity, and "merged with eternity" is only respect tread actually he died and reborn as Donal Blake.
That's why he loses Rune magic
Thanks in advance."
Lol you said this line more than thousands of time,
Why don't you directly say that you can't debate with me anymore because you were depending on Google, cause you have no comic knowledge. And now your Google resources about end😂
Stop insulting yourself and agree with that. If you don't agree then I don't care. I didn't forced you that you have to agree with my outcomes. But don't disturb me by replying your idiotic logics. I am tired of debunking your claims. If you don't agree then I have nothing to say."
Wow how great reply that i never saw in my entire life😂😂😂
But
You are just explaining yourself, you saying same scans again and again which is already debunked thousands of times, and throwing your opinion and saying "i already debunked your claim"
Yes you already debunked my claims by your own made theory in your imagination. I accept that you need brain surgery, my brother.
And you offending so much just because you losing debate
And why would i agree with anyone's fan theory and opinions that is completely crap!
Seriously? I laugh like HAHAHA
"Some people still don't know different between "Thor" and "Mighty Thor"😂😂😂
And lmao your words😂😂😂seriously? Stop being childish.
Hare your reason by yourself😂😂😂
I'm dying now😂
No writer have point of view like yours my friend.
that was DC universe just because it's dark ? LOL black winter is dark not universe or just because you said so ?😂
And yes black winter destroy universe but why you telling me that ? It's not the topic, are you trying to change topic ? LMAO
Evan a 12 years kid will not agree with you after seeing this conversation
Your every comments is full of crap
You still think i haven't debunked your scans ? LOL i debunked your every scans with proof i just didn't said it like you. Do i need to say that ? Yes i have debunked your every scans to words and not with opinion or fan theory like you but with proof
And go cheak this out
Mighty Thor (2003) 2003 is date my boy
I you only saw the map ? And you debunked it just by saying it's root of yaggdrasil ? I asked you if that is root of yaggdrasil then show me map of true yaggdrasil. This is the point where you failed.
And same with others you showing scans which is already debunked thousands of times and showing those scans you keep saying you debunked my scans, and more than half of your scan prove yourself wrong half of your claims prove that you are a dumb, more than half of your claims embarrassed yourself.
Others are itself debunked.
So you have never debunked my single claims let alone scans.
1. Yes i also already said there's no map of true yaggdrasil mean there's no true yaggdrasil, you can't claim anything without having proof, if there was true yaggdrasil then there's a also map
2. Still don't understand? Dog was not dead it came back in the end, and anything can be sacrifice to tree, dr strange offered dog because he just asking rune magic for short term,
And yes J Michael is screen writer, he write babylon, Thor 2011 (movie), ninja assassin, underworld, world war z etc.
When did i said odin is not even Galaxy buster ? He is actual Galaxy buster. I said he is not even universal, cause he loses to galactus who is actual universal, and lmao again tearing the fabric of multiverse when he was battling make him multiversal plus ?😂😂😂 seriously... LOL it doesn't even make universal.
And that just a statement and words of odin are useless because once he was saying planets are universes LOL
And his statement are also useless because once he stated as omnipotent which is full of debunk.
LMAO you debunked me by saying mighty thor wrote by j Michael? 😂 or saying Walt never wrote thor's comic ? by saying opinion of Walt doesn't matter? 😂😂 or saying that you have debunked writer ?😂😂 LMAO
LMAO
Lmao i don't even know what does that mean, maybe that is best offensive words in your country but it seems silly to me.😂
I guess you missed this map.
To be tier 9 the being has to be a being above all (or almost all) that transcends everything and that no one gave you life but the being formed himself.
And RKT is not even close to nigh-omnipotence.
The story line in Thor vol 2 contradicts with that. Thor vol 2 , the story of RKT says that Odin banished Thor to earth to not just to punish him but also to make him unpredictable to TWSAIS's fate manipulation.
Odin being Multiversal+ is relevant here since it shows us how far RKT and TWSAIS are from a Multiversal+ being and it's good to keep in mind for those who think that RKT is universal or complex Multi 🤦♂️, you can show the statement where it says that Odin banished Thor to for him to be impervious to TWSAIS' fate manipulation? The only thing you have going for you is the RUMOR that RKT made to TWSAIS and it's not even a direct statement stating that Odin in that storyline sent him to Earth to get out of their cycle, he just said that Odin had a way to ''stop them'' and then said that TWSAIS couldn't see what humans were like, so Thor lived as a man, which doesn't make him impervious to TWSAIS or anything like that, it's a very risky assumption and somewhat contradicting what they showed us later.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616).
That was actually a very important reason of Odin to banish thor. It was also to teach him a lesson. I am not denying that. And the reason why Thor was unpredictable is that TWSAIS mainly control the fate of the gods. They don't really care about mortals and they don't manipulate their fate. Hence Thor was immune. And @MrJaeger07 I see you are almost agreeing with my opinion. But Fate Manipulation has almost never been mentioned. But that's what they do. And thor referred to fate manipulation by saying just manipulation. And if it wasn't fate manipulation that what else is there to manipulate?
1) How did Odin discover that? How he knew that TWSAIS didn't control mortals and how did he know it would work? I mean, Odin barely understood how TWSAIS worked, I doubt that he knew how their power worked.
2) How did TWSAIS allow Thor's banishment to happen? In theory if they see through the Gods including Odin they should have read his mind and discovered his plan, so they would've stopped him, plus TWSAIS said they could see past, present and future (like RKT) so they should have seen in the future that Odin's plan was going to work and Thor was going to become RKT to finally banish them... then agreeing with your theory, why none of this happened?
Me: Then debate me and try to debunk my claims RESPECTFULLY
Oblivian:
Three doritos later: 😳 👉👈
try this.
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2. He cut the loom of destiny, from which the gods fed.
3. It is Nigh Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient.
am I missing something?
Michael + Lucifer = The Presence
Ultimately this supposed attempt to increase Thor's power depends on questionable scans.
It's funny because so far none of you who think that RKT isn't Outer or try to downplay him haven't managed to debunk my arguments nor my logic
You also can't prove me wrong and RKT being Outer is much more likely than Lucifer beating Presence.
Loki GOS and TWSAIS were not affected by the aforementioned omniverse destruction while outsiding in the nothing, it's also not a theory, it's a fact
Thor Vol 2 #85: RKT screwed TWSAIS cuz he was out of their fate manipulation and his power, that scales him to them or even higher, would Outerversals being give so much attention to a ''fodder'' Multiversal complex? it's not a theory, It's a tying-dots fact.
Now I'm so excited to see if you're going to call all this ''non-facts'' ''fan theorys'' ''wank'' again.
O: Of
A: Asgard :)
And as I said I don't complain about others because right now I'm debating about RKT.
Same.
TOAA (9) >>> CIH (9) too
I think there are different scaling methods for tier 9, although it tends to get a bit confusing and is one of the reasons I suggested including tier 10.
Her they are saying that rkt thought cutting the loom killed would defeat them. But he was wrong. Hence that at least proves RKT doesn't have complete omniscience. And if they knew that it wouldn't kill them why give a damn. Thor didn't beat them using his sheer power like loki did. And they were worried that thor was cutting their cycle their food source. Because back then ragnarok was all they fed on. But after they were cut off they started feeding on all gods and their stories.
@MrJaeger It means: "a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments"
Also, Odin not banished Thor to get off TWSAIS' fate radar wtf, in the history of the character it's clearly narrated when he was banished for his arrogance, haughtiness, etc... Odin wanted to teach his son a lesson and when he learned the humility, he became worthy of Mjolnir again, Odin barely understood what TWSAIS was, if he knew about them, not even Odin (a Multiversal+ being) knew how the fate cycle worked, much less will he deduce that by banishing Thor to Earth he was going to get out of their fate manipulation (in case it worked, which I doubt).
What would make you think that RKT couldn't do something on that scale with his sheer power? Do you think that breaking the thread of destiny only required some force, the hammer and nothing else, that anyone else could have done? if so lmao.
The image you sent says it self that it was odin who found out how to cloak thor from TWSAIS. check it. And yes it was odin who first found out about TWSAIS. It may seem like he banished thor for he arrogance and all. But it had a far greater reason. Even fandom says the same. And not not anyone could have cutting the loom. It was a rope but still it had great importance. But none knew how to stop ragnarok no one had the knowledge that thor was going to cut the loom. But since RKT is nigh-omniscincet he found out.
In the first image they said and even thor agreed that he cannot change whats written. Well that not exactly true. But the norms ,loki and the odin force thought something different. That thor was going to change the story of ragnarok. But when thor said he can't than the Pdin Force said that he had failed. But when thor was about to cut the loom. The odin Force said "Yes, you do see a way."
One thing is HIDING and another is GETTING OUT of the TWSAIS manipulation, they're very different, Odin perhaps in that storyline sent Thor to earth as a mortal so that he would not be as affected by the fate manipulation of TWSAIS as the other gods, and so have a little more probability of success when avoiding ragnarok but when you return to asgard you re-enter the same manipulated cycle, RKT got out of that manipulation by his power, when he rose from death and he said so himself in that same scan, ''I have become something you have never even dreamed possible'' also indeed as you say, RKT discovered the way to end Ragnarok forever by cutting the loom for his nigh-omniscience, so there's no credit to take away in this. Also do you think RKT was not distracting someone when he said ''I cannot change what has been written'' supposedly.
The knowledge of the well of Mimir was not everything, RKT awakened his full potential when resurrected from the dead.
Odin has faced beings like Galactus or Dormammu classic many times that would place him in the Multiversal level at least, in addition to his qualities as Skyfather
Although I'd say that Hulk is a bit more of a controversial topic...
Btw MrJaeger Is A writer in marvel everything he says is right, Bye
I have an answer ... Fanboys ...
I said it only cuz surely if he got it you guys would not oppose it the same way you do sarcastically with RKT
TWSAIS are tier 9 and RKT actually scared them wtf
@DARK_CROW Ikr, RKT's complete omniscience was debunked already, I just said it by way of copy cuz you were claiming that Phoenix is ''nigh-omnipotent'' which is a complete bullsh*t and doesn't need to be ''debunked'' such a fallacy 😂😂
Sure, all my claims seem like a ''fanmade theory'', doesn't it? It's the only term you know how to use when you don't agree with my allegations and escaling system but you don't find other way to debunk it truly lol, I offer you to try to officially debate me and let's see if you have more beyond than calling all my claim ''fanmade theory'' ''lies'' ''non-facts''.
@everyone ok I must tell all the users of this site that they are complete blind not seeing the complete omnipotence of Phoenix that @DARK_CROWN sees, it's an aCtUaL sTaTeMeNt of the comic and to contradict it would be to contradict the wRiTeR HimSeLf, are you all agree on that? xD
there are 10 universes in yggdrasill,nothing more
#omgsohighouterversal
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RKT can't escape hel,odin saves him
#outerversalconfirmeduhnuh
another proof of 9 "universes"
When he was about to destroy the loom of fate, TWSAIS said "We witness not only your strength...", so yeah a strength feat then.
I don't know where.
Are you talking about these?
Plus if you believe odin so much, then you may also believe TWSAIS were celestial beings.
Oh yeah changed my mind, RKT definitely defeated TWSAIS, definitely when it has been stated officially, he defeated TWSAIS, I was wrong that he banished them and you were right that he destroyed them, wow I was wrong all this time, RKT is high outerversal now.
Nice way to ignore official statements and facts.
RKT said he cannot change fate but he can destroy the loom of fate, which I have already said is a strength feat and that destruction of loom changed fate, RKT by himself couldn't change fate through his power (if the loom was not there, he couldn't have changed fate)
RKT hardly has any feats. The best “feat” he has is with TWSAIS, who aren’t as powerful as they say.
u don't Know so much About comics , That how they Convinced u mate.
And what "cause" are you supporting? Does RKT have a cult?
RKT has no cult, only few readers who know the true tier of the character.
Then what is this cause? And how come only you know about RKT?
And I'm not the only one who knows about RKT.
No, you and only you. Maybe the writer I guess...
1. I don't agree that Hulk is superior to Thor, but at least I don't spend every ****ing time saying it each time I talk about one of the two unlike you who in most battles don't forget to put the ''Hulk > Thor'' somewhere, you should keep it better for debates, as we don't all think the same as you.
2. What did I say to @Breaker? When he said that RKT deserved the 72m, or that he got the hype I didn't think he was being sarcastic as he clearly was by mentioning that RKT beats TOAA, where I said ''agreed'' to follow the joke.
3. What would make me think you don't hate Thor? you say you love him more than I love Hulk and that you advocated for RKT to be buffed, you hardly ever seem to prove it, you even had to reluctantly change your vote in battle of WWH vs RKT, what should give me that to think?
1) In general its actually Hulk >= Thor
2) You criticized him for joking on such a serious matter, but then told me that I should get a sense of humor.
3) @Oblivian and others could vouch for this. In fact, there's some of my comments on this very page. If someone could pull up the comment history (possible?) of me asking for RKT to be buffed for mr cynical over here that would be much appreciated.
1. No, it's mostly Thor = Hulk but if we're going to try hard it's Thor > Hulk, maybe we'll debate it properly one day.
2. Yes, I said that you had to have a sense of humor SOME times, not always, there comes a point where you don't know how to differentiate the seriousness of the jokes and this ends up happening.
3. I'm not as old as others on this site, so I guess it's normal that I haven't even seen you do it once.
1) Oh we will.
2) Exactly; how was I supposed to tell?
3) On this page you can find some and on some others as well. People only see what they want to see though.
PS: Check your discord. There is some info there...
CBR: Thor vs Wonder Woman: Thor looks absolutely like an idiot. He loses even after entering Warrior Madness, doesn't use Stormbreaker.
DEATH BATTLE!: Thor vs Wonder Woman: Thor looks like an idiot. DEATH BATTLE uses wrong facts and facts that can't be proven, showing their bias towards WW. He gets stabbed and immediately died. They also make fun of Thor.
There are also much more that underrates Thor.
If you know his history you'll understand why he has it.
Loki Agent of Asgard #17
As far as I know, Old King Phoenix Thor is the most powerful version of Thor
Besides, RKT can't destroy Phoenix.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ba23e0beb2cb1393cfbaea8ca14798df
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98401376668ab40e400ccd842e61aefe
So are practially confirmed that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow and the Beyonders are the same thing, haters stop crying
That wasn't a simple ''coincidence'' also the beyonders are known for constantly changing shape, not to mention that Loki confirmed it, TWOSAIS are more likely to be beyonders that are not and proofs is proofs
@Mr_Incognito When I was called a rat you actually defended that insult. At least now you see how much of a low move it is.
Anyway idc about your guys opinion, just either refute my scaling or not, or don't come after it and respect it too, then I don't have to debate it.
Also don't go saying around you won either. Cuz as long as you don't refute any points I made, it means you haven't won, and actually conceded. But yeah idc.
Why don't you all just shut the f*ck up and keep the judging to yourselves? I've stated several times that I'm not a professional debater like you clowns, but at least I'm able to provide evidence, use reasoning, and have a little knowledge on whatever it is. I really don't give much of a sh*t what y'all think of my debating skills, cuz I'm pretty sure you four first started off like me. Learn how to have humility for once in your damn lives.
LMFAO Professional Debater, no bro, I just read almost any Marvel story, and read much DC too.
Idc about debating, I provided the proof for my scaling & that's all I need. Idc about your debating skills LOL
Also with the evidence, you used 3 Presence scans for Spectre lol