PhoenixvsSilver Surfer

Created by Yuyudodo

63 wins (57.8%)
Phoenix (Jean Grey) 99
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Official Superhero Database stats.
46 wins (42.2%)
Silver Surfer (Norrin Radd) 47
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Official Superhero Database stats.

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sparetherod665
sparetherod665 4 mo 5 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Phoenix Force is winner not Jean Grey. Power Cosmic allows SS to absorb energy, he can phase out, plus his skin is very nearly invulnerable. Jean Grey cannot beat SS, not even with Phoenix Force. However, SS is not cosmically ESSENTIAL. Phoenix is. That's why Galactus couldn't/wouldn't kill her.
Clint_Barton
Clint_Barton 7 mo 7 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Phoenix Phoenix>Base Thor>SS
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 4 mo 3 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Phoenix Jean >>> Phoenix Scott > Silver Surfer > Thor > Phoenix Emma Frost.
mtrindadc
mtrindadc 3 mo 1 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Phoenix Phoenix Jean > SS >>> Phoenix Scott > Thor > Phoenix Emma Frost
AK
AKS1 7 mo 25 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Phoenix I can't believe this is even close. LOL.
Dr
Drmanhattan42 10 mo 20 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Silver Surfer Speed major factor including durability and invunerablity for silver sulfer to take this....jean doesn't have that..she won't see him coming and he flicks her with his hand and dies as he's going faster than light
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LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 20 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix Speed - Phoenix can go faster than light, just like Surfer.
Durability - Invulnerability isn't really a thing, and Phoenix hosts (including ones weaker than Jean) have survived hits from Galactus. Surfer isn't going to do much.
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Very tough match..they are both class 47. But i will still go with SS. Super Speed and Time Travel will be the key here. If this is Dark Phoenix, SS will have a less chance of winning.
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Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix The class is very inaccurate. Super speed and time travel will NOT be the key here because Phoenix has shown to be far superior to Silver Surfer in ever way, heck Phoenix has beaten Galactus and Galactus created the Silver Surfer so Phoenix > Galactus > Silver Surfer.
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix Let me just tell you, the class score is essentially irrelevant. It means nothing.
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Silver Surfer had also beaten Galactus and 2 Proemial Gods which are nearly or equal to Galactus. So your logic of A>B>C doesn't work that way.
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix Those are called PIS/outliers. Surfer's power is only a portion of Galactus' power, there is no sensible way for Surfer to beat him. And Surfer has been consistently outmatched by other Herald level beings (Thor, Adam Warlock) and utterly pounded into the dirt by nigh-Skyfather level beings (Thanos), so him defeating someone on the level of Galactus, a Skyfather level being, is inconsistent at best and nonsensical at worst.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Name me the issue @Legend_Warlock or at least show me a link to where Silver Surfer beats his master?
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Wow you change your vote from Silver Surfer to Phoenix..lol! whether its a PIS/outlier or not...same things can be said to all the characters. The fact It happened to all of them in Canon. They have once encountered before, but they never fight. they are just chilling around..lol. So true the class category are irrelevant, i'm just saying.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Who changed their vote from Silver Surfer to Phoenix? "PIS or not it's still canon" yeah, no if Surfer was on that level then why dose he always loose to Thor and Thanos?
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer LordTracer changed his vote. Well i forgot the number issues..but you can look it up in google. I think some issues where in Exiles and when he was The Keeper. I forgot if the other ones was in the Last Days or when he has the cosmic cubes. He bested the 2 Proemial Gods Aegis and Tenebrous in Annihilation War. He encountered the Phoenix in Ultimate Xmen. Enjoy reading!
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix Whether it is canon or not is irrelevant, PIS and outliers cannot be used, otherwise we'd have **** like Cyclops being multiversal because he harmed Dormammu or Wasp being infinite-dimensional due to harming Thor who could harm the Chaos King. So again, Surfer beating Galactus or anyone else on his level is completely illogical, inconsistent and invalid.
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer So what is valid to you? We are talking of heavy hitters, one is augmented by cosmic power and the other by phoenix force and not some kind of street fighters that you sample..lol. Let's just agree to disagree.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix But those feats are irrelevant outliers.
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer First and foremost i did say that this is a very tough match. I just pointed out how can the Silver Surfer will beat the Phoenix and that is the reason i sided with him. That's because he casually done that tricked to his other enemies. Okay, so if you really want to make it relevant and valid..show me just 1 issue wherein the Phoenix(Jean Grey) has defeated the Silver Surfer and i will willingly change my vote. If not, then lets make it a rest..peace.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Dose Silver Surfer have any resistance to Jean Grey level telepathy? Dose Silver Surfer's molecular manipulation beat jean's? Is Surfer a constantly universal character?
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Ignoring outliers the answer is none of the above. And did you know that Jean is basically immoral?
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix Phoenix has consistently shown universal - multiversal feats and scaling and has defeated Galactus, who is consistently superior to Surfer. Meanwhile Surfer is consistently pounded into dust by Thanos, who is consistently inferior to Galactus. See that word there? Consistency. That's what matters. Surfer is not consistently on Skyfather levels like Galactus, or Phoenix.
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Dark_Wing i advice you to read more marvel comics especially about Silver Surfer to enhanced your knowledge. Are you just a kid or what? I don't even understand what is your point for saying Phoenix(Jean Grey) is immoral..lol ! And What is Dose? Lmao! Recheck your latter comments again, because its nonsense and the one Irrelevant. I'm done!
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Dark_Wing i advice you to read more marvel comics especially about Silver Surfer to enhanced your knowledge. Are you just a kid or what? I don't even understand what is your point for saying Phoenix(Jean Grey) is immoral..lol ! And What is Dose? Lmao! Recheck your latter comments again, because its nonsense and the one Irrelevant. I'm done!
Le
Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer LordTracer, just to be clear, we are talking of Jean Grey as Phoenix here, not the Dark Phoenix or the White Phoenix of the Crown (WPOTC). Tell me how can Jean Grey as Phoenix can beat the Silver Surfer? What i remembered was it took TWO Phoenix's to beat a hungry Galactus in the battle. I would appreciate if you can put some other scan wherein she beats Galactus by herself,
You first voted for Silver Surfer but you changed it later on. What makes you change your mind?
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix When I first voted on this battle, it was an extremely long time ago and long before I even knew what powerscaling was, that's why I changed it. Now, I'll give you an imgur album that has three scans. One, Phoenix Wolverine defeats Old King Thor (I remind you that Old King Thor is stronger than Odin, who has contended with Galactus and Old King Thor fought Galactus himself). Two, Phoenix Jean Grey fights against a well fed Galactus, damages him and Galactus even says that he reveres her power. And three, Phoenix Rachel Summers stomps a poorly fed Galactus (who is still superior to The Silver Surfer).
m.imgur.com/a/3LKnFLL
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix Their was a point in the X-men comic run where Jean Grey was killed by Wolverine, the Phoenix brought her back, and she was stabbed again. So yeah she is basically immortal.
Dark_Wing
Dark_Wing 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix What comics would you recommend I read?
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Legend_Warlock 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Alright! The 1st scan was not Jean Grey but Logan as Phoenix who bested Old King Thor. I have no problem there.

The 2nd scan was not jean grey alone, its two phoenix's against a hungry Galactus.

The 3rd scan, poorly fed Galactus recovered in the later part of the scan and the Phoenix was threatened(scared to death) and flee. It was never a stomp because Galactus still continue siphoning the planet and a became a victor in the end. He doesn't even care or noticed Phoenix fleeing. Here is the complete battle link -> www.quora.com/Who-would-win-in-a-battle-between-Galactus-and-The-Phoenix-Jean-Grey

Again
if this is the White Phoenix of the Crown, Galactus even with Silver Surfer has no chance of winning. Anyways thank you for the scan.
LordTracer
LordTracer 10 mo 21 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix The second scan is not two Phoenixes, it is Jean Grey alone and Galactus was well fed. I don't know how you see two Phoenixes there.

And Galactus explicitly says; "And I hover near to death, my strength depleted-exhausted in our struggle." This clearly shows Rachel Summers Phoenix (who is inferior to Jean Grey Phoenix, btw) is at the very least comparable to a starving Galactus, which puts her above Silver Surfer.
EmptyHand
EmptyHand 11 mo 2 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix What? What? What? How?
soratoumiga
soratoumiga 1 y 2 mo 19 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
1 year member
Phoenix This is ridiculous. Phoenix blinks him out of existence.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 2 mo 19 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
3 year member
Phoenix How is Surfer winning when BASE Jean beat 5 of em?
remy94
remy94 1 y 11 mo 4 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
3 year member
Silver Surfer He can't, he has no control over the Phoenix Force
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_Holy_Joe_
_Holy_Joe_ 1 y 10 mo 23 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Silver Surfer @remy94 What do you mean by that?
_Holy_Joe_
_Holy_Joe_ 1 y 11 mo 4 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Silver Surfer Can't the Silver Surfer just take her powers away?
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OM
OMNintendo 4 mo 29 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer Yes lol
_Holy_Joe_
_Holy_Joe_ 1 y 10 mo 23 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Silver Surfer @TheSuspect666 And what?
TheSuspect666
TheSuspect666 1 y 9 mo 30 d
Phoenix vs Silver Surfer
2 year member
Phoenix What Surfer will do to her?

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