ManofPower's Death Battle

At last, the overrated Supergirl wannabe is dead. BEST DEATH BATTLE EVER!

You really hate Shezow 😂

I hate them both with a passion.

Jeez, Dark.

Oof.

Keep up the good work :D

Thanks. Lol. The next battle has a MUCH more brutal ending.

It can't be as brutal as Hulk vs Atrocious was.

Read it, lol.

I did, and it's my second favorite after this one.

You read Mongul VS Terrax?

No, I read Hulk vs Atrocitus. I haven't read Mongul vs Terrax nor do I really care that much to be honest.

Trigon

As long as you ain't doing the research on Dormammu, who cares lul

That's a good fight. Trigon VS Galactus was terrible (no offense MoP). Both characters were....nvm

@LordTracer I love Dormammu. Excuse me?!?

*dawg you think he's weaker than Well Fed Galactus you should not be allowed to powerscale this man*

What do you mean @LordTracer?

Dormammu got wrecked by Galactus recently, and no, for Marvel characters, it's full on composite. No classic or current (Maybe Doctor Strange would get an exception; generally he wouldn't).

You clearly didn't even read that issue, Dormammu was controlling Galactus the entire time and only lost when hit by a power equivalent to himself + Well Fed Galactus. And you thought Dormammu was weaker than Galactus even prior to that.

I did. Dormammu was like, "Galactus is my herald," and then Galactus just wrecked him.

Also, he went down in one-shot so it's still arguable that regular Dormammu can fight Galactus.

You ignored the part where Galactus was amped by Dormammu and essentially had the power of Dormammu + Well Fed Galactus.

Lol...Dormammu got wrecked with his own power. That's sad.

And you're again ignoring that it was Dormammu's power + Well Fed Galactus' power. I don't know why I'm surprised at this point, ignoring facts and evidence is normal behavior for you.

Dormammu is Galactus' superior in normal circumstances, period. People should really first read the story arcs themselves rather than seeing one or two scans on a random forum and judge it by that. Not only was Galactus amped by mystical energies of an extra dimensional realm, he was amped by Dormammu's magic itself. So, in a nutshell, Galactus + Dormammu + mystic energies is what took Dormammu out, not Galactus by himself.

Imagine thinking Galactus > Dormammu even tho dormammu beat eternity a being who would oneshots Galactus, can't be me

I reckon Dormammu should fight Kolasius...

Okay @AkhilPDX now I know for a fact that you either have very limited knowledge of Star Wars or this was just remnants of your salt from our Darth Maul vs Wolverine debate. While I do agree that him surviving being cut in half his one of his best willpower feats, I hate how it was the only feat you used for his willpower. His training at the hands of Palpatine (which you very briefly went over) was designed to prepare him for literallyMaul is almost twice as fast as the fastest land anima anything, Palpatine sent him to various planets and forced him to either die survive, he's Deprived himself of food and sleep when he created his lightsaber crystal and on another occasion he was forced to temporarily live on a planet (which the name of the planet I can't really remember) while hunted by assassin droids, and this was all he when he was young now imagine him in his prime during the Clone Wars. Maul has not just been trained in Form 7 he's been trained in all seven lightsaber forms and then backed it with a martial art created to combat Jedi called Teräs Käsi while training at the Orsis Academy. Maul is not "Maul is almost twice as fast as the fastest land animals" Maul is FTL which is proven when he defects blasters bolds with his saber and straight up dodges them and blasters are particle based weapons The only reason this can't be shown in the movies and TCW is because the entire show would be over in five seconds so don't even use the movies as an anti feat. And my least favorite of your statements is "Force Rage is a failed rip off of Wolverine's berserker rage" that quote proves that you're still salty about our Maul vs Wolverine debate.


Now time for the conclusion: "Night King's powers easily countered almost everything Maul could throw at him" like he could counter a lightsaber which would just cut right through him and no light sabers are more than just plasma, it's an energy sword backed by The Force, or Force based attacks which is no way of countering. "Night King had almost 10,000 years of experience under his belt. He also had numerous powers involving the elements. Simply make a blizzard where Maul couldn't physically see, make it cold enough to instantly freeze Maul, make thick ice constructs to throw at Maul or simply shoot ice shards" if Maul can react at faster than light speeds then he could EASILY either dodge those ice shards or cut them with his lightsaber. Since Maul can move at FTL speeds, he could definitely take out all the "risen dead" that NK threw at him and even if he couldn't summoning an army counts as outside help which means he can't do it in this match. Maul's hand hand combat allowed him to take out a genetically and bionically enhanced Wampa and a Yuuzhang Vong without weapons so if it came down to hand to hand combat Night King would be dead in milliseconds.

1) I'm not the only one who made the battle, so don't pin the whole thing on me, but don't pin it on MoP because for one, we did our research. It's not just bias planted down on a paper. First we discuss if we have personal preferences towards anyone and how to nullify it.
2) 95% of this was Disney Maul, at least the pure feats themselves. There was no evidence to back up the blasters being FTL in the movies, even though we searched through scenes and even some pages breaking down the feats, as well as the Clone War series and multiple other resources. Two, this had NOTHING to do with the damn debate, so stop bringing that up and acting like you won but you clearly didn't as you kept acting like a blind, ignorant, idiot and kept blaming me for disliking Star Wars when that wasn't the case at all. That was said for a laugh. Smh. You can't even take a joke.
3. I'm sorry....is someone salty for being debunked by several people about the Force not being omnipotent, because you really seem to be contradicting yourself as you've said TOAA is omnipotent before and now you're arguing against it. Again, it was Disney Maul and the lightsaber is literally a blade made out of plasma generated by a Cyber Crystal. Thank you, next.
4. Again, Disney. FTL not proven...Night King had an army and was physically strong enough to hang in with Maul, and one thing we didn't mention is that Night King is basically a primordial demon of nature and there are very few things that can kill him, mostly mystical in nature so even if Maul got a hit or two, it wasn't the end of the world, and again....Night King had an army to fight with and he could just keep raising Maul to deal with. And one more thing....that's literally Night King's powers. He can control the army. If Thanos had the Gauntlet, he could create an army with the Reality Stone or bring one to life with the Soul Stone. That's his power and he has it in the match. It isn't like bringing another ENTITY into play like having Doctor Fate bring in Nabu, which...is also somewhat excusable.

@Dark_Wing FYI I basically wrote the entire battle with little help from Akhil, I also gave the analysis. I am also the one who gave the conclusion. If anything, you should be upset with me. Not him

@Akhil every time we previously debated I was either holding back or trolling and if you followed me for the last few weeks and you know that I've grown as a debater, literally "my powers have doubled since the last time we met" _Anakin Skywalker
1: I highly doubt that you're not bias against Star Wars characters given that you've that you've vote Spider-Man (a whinny kid with arachnophobia) over Darth Vader (one of the greatest Sith in galactic history)
2: if this was Disney Maul then I'm sorry, practically all my argument in that paragraph were from the EU in the reason you should have used the EU is because the EU characters are much stronger than the Disney versions heck comparing EU Maul to canon Maul is like comparing MCU Thanos to Earth 616 Thanos. I was sensing some salt so I pointed it out. And I did win that debate while both heavily holding back and trolling 2/3 of the time so just except it rather than living in denial. "blind, ignorant, idiot" are you talking about me or you talking about yourself?
3: I have been doing a ton of research on Star Wars power scaling and while I don't know what The Force is, I do know that's been stated to be all powerful on multiple occasions and before you say "wHaT fEaTs dOsE iT hAvE oF bEiNg OmNiPoTaNt" my question for you is: what feats of omnipotence dose TOAA have other then being threatened by the Cosmic Regulator, same day takes curiosity in humans, or saying " The mystery intrigues me?" TOAA is SO CLEARLY omnipotent and remember The Force has never been proven to not be omnipotent while TOAA has been proven to not be omnipotent.
4: oops, I think you should've made it more clear that you were using Disney Maul and explained why you were using Disney Maul instead the real Maul other than to lowball a character from one of your least favorite franchises. Thanos and Dr Fate are irrelevant so I'm not sure why you're bringing them up but okay.

@MoP sorry for getting upset with @AkhilPDX but that kid needs to learn some respect for uses beneath him.

@Dark_Wing Yes...I am an idiot for sticking up for you. Literally EVERYONE dislikes you except for @MoP and I, and I...I tried to stand up for you against people who generally support me and they disagreed and called you retarded, biased, and so many other names, and I saw the good in you and TRIED to stand up for you. I never voted for Spidey over Vader and if I did, well screw me back then, because Vader would stomp. We used Disney because it was canon. Did we use any EU? Yes...some parts of it and that'll how Death Battles will include Star Wars, composite with most of it being the movie. No...you did not win. All you did was shout that I was a fanboy. Also, this has nothing to do with The-One-Above-All nor will I debate you making such a ludicrous claim because if you know me at ALL, unless it's a full on writer's statement or has a feat or two, I don't listen.

Things have changed @Akhil, Why are you even thinking about the past about him? He has become a better person on this website than before. I don't even dislike @Dark_Wing so don't say that everyone dislikes him if I do. Don't give up on standing up for him, it's okay for sometimes to be left alone but giving up on somebody even if they're new is even a more obnoxious person.

Everyone has a place, even you...I'm about to go all out.

Ahhh...a planet of salt, I used to work for a mining company to collect salt but now I have all the salt that I will ever need in a lifetime https://m.imgur.com/gallery/RlBV3

"Literally EVERYONE dislikes you except for @MoP and I"

My rebuttal: @Oblivion, @EmptyHand, @Marvel500, @Tyrannus, and @Bane333 all would beg your pardon. Thanks for another faulty, unfactual argument that shows your insecurity about not being the top dog.

"I tried to stand up for you against people who generally support me and they disagreed and called you retarded"

When exactly did you do that?

Yes you did vote Spider-Man over Vader

"we did use some EU but stuck with the Disney canon because it's canon"

You do realize that ScrewAttack always uses the composites of characters and I didn't see much EU...🤔 it's almost like you were lowballing Maul so a different character would win.

"No...you did not win. All you did was shout that I was a fanboy"

First off: I only speak the truth. And second: I did disapprove a lot of stuff you said and this is clear that you're still salty from our Maul vs Wolverine debate we're all you did was just use a bunch of outliers and then claim outliers exist when I want them to" which is literally just something you made up with your own little brain because you wanted to say Maul can't even hurt Logan because Logan can take hits from Thanos and the Phoenix Force, but if you really think about it if he is durable enough to take hits from the Phoenix Force then why is he knocked out by Spider-Man? Unless you're trying to say Spider-Man is stronger than the Phoenix Force which I know you're not trying to say.

"I am not going to debate you on TOAA"

uh, is it because you're afraid? Because you know you'll lose like an every other TOAA debate you've had with other users or every debate we've had where I held back so you would feel like you had a chance?

As far as I see @AkhilPDX is a really smart person
(Btw i didn't did anything wrong why am i begging for pardon?)

@Akhil literally just said no one likes me and what I meant by "beg for pardon" what is that nobody likes me and that makes you and every other user I just listed "nobody."

@Dark_Wing A lot of users hate you. They call you stupid. Maybe not to your face but you'd only realize it if you go on Discord. They all treat you like an idiot which you seem to be showcasing right now more than ever. Bringing in TOAA when that has NOTHING to do with this? Again...we USED the CANON versions with SMALL bits of EU things. We aren't going to just use 100% EU since again...it isn't really canon anymore. Also, you're an idiot because you didn't see what I was trying to say. I vote for the underdog sometimes and I say it if I am just doing it to make the fight fair. Plus, I can change my vote anytime. Smh. Also, you never beat me in the debate because you kept saying I disliked Star Wars so I voted for Logan. You were being a whiny b***h about it and I'd still argue that's what you are. I don't hate Star Wars so if you ever throw that at me or ANYONE else who hasn't shown that vividly, you would be considered an arrogant, vain, detestable b***d by ANYONE's standards, so unless you've got ACTUAL proof of me hating Star Wars, never approach me with such bullshit again. And if you hate these Death Battles so much, no one is forcing you to read them. You can read them for enjoyment. And no, I'm not scared of you "going all out" since it literally means you claim the other person to be a fanboy. Pathetic.

*that moment when the EU is actually still canon and merely a separate continuity in the Star Wars multiverse*

*Which is why we still used a small fraction of it, but Disney is more canon so deal with it. It'll also be the main continuity used in Death Battles.*

Even though that's frankly nonsensical. Either use only one or the other, or use a composite version. Picking and choosing parts from one continuity while using all of one makes no sense.

"It makes no sense"

Unless you purposefully want one character to lose. Even ScrewAttack uses composites of characters and you've stolen a name created by ScrewAttack, by that logic you should either drop the name or start using composites more.

We don't use non-canon composites, or we try not to. We mainly used Disney and the Clone Wars which is what will be used for Star Wars. Maybe a small mix of EU, but that's our choice, and yes, we will change the name with Season 3.

What will you change the name of this series too?

That will be revealed at the end of Season 2 after the finale.

I literally just explained how the EU is technically still canon... and would you mind explaining why you think it's sensible to only use parts of one continuity instead of a full composite? That'd be like if I were to scale 616 Odin, but use a few feats from Earth-1999 Odin as well.

@Dark_Wing I apologize for being so harsh, but I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop blaming me for hating Star Wars. That's where this conflict starts from, and for one, I don't have bias against it...and even if I did, I SPECIFICALLY try to put that aside, and so far, it has worked every single time (even for Captain Marvel VS Starfire: it was VERY painful and sad for me to write the ending).

I can't wait. But right now I'm going to read your Atrocitus vs Hulk battle and work on my rebuttal to your comment.

@LordTracer Since it's TECHNICALLY considered non-canon since it was announced in 2014 to be so. That's why we also took your note into consideration and used a small bit of EU.

@Dark_Wing Please don't refute. I don't want any more arguments or fights :)

Uh, no. TECHNICALLY, it's canon. And you still didn't explain why only using a small bit of it is okay. By your logic, using some MCU feats for an Earth-616 character should be perfectly valid.

Announcement in 2014. Main continuity is being used.

That still doesn't answer my question and you still have not explained why using only parts of one continuity is valid or addressed the scenario I gave.

Okay here's my rebuttal: Your entire comment was just you winning and the fact that you feel the need to use bad language proves how immature you can be at times. @EmptyHand told me about my "hate base" but when was the last time people talked trash about me on discord? All I said about TOAA when I first brought it up was to prevent you from asking if "The Force has any feats of omnipotence" by reminding you that TOAA doesn't have feats of omnipotence either. @LordTracer is right about the EU still being canon now it's just a separate timeline. Logan has almost no chance of beating ANY competent unless we use outliers so don't even bring up the "I sometimes vote for the underdog" crap and you didn't even say you were voting for Logan because he was the underdog. " you were being a whiny brat and I'd still argue that that's what you are" if everything bad you say about me I can say the same thing only ten times worse about you and back it was somewhat factual evidence. arrogant, "vain, detestable brat" I could say the same thing about you. "If you hate these Death Battles so much, no one is forcing you to read them" bruh, I don't hate these Death Battles heck I think they're much better than ScrewAttack's DBs what I hate is the fact that you're now ignoring the lore and whether you think the EU is canon or not remember that George Lucas approved of the EU meaning that it could be considered more canon than Disney's canon. "I'm not scared of you "going all out" since it literally means you claim the other person to be a fanboy" your actions are clearly proving otherwise.

We are using small bits so we aren't JUST limited to the movies. We can get in more amounts of background, powers, and other stuff. We are actually currently in a dilemma about one character with this.

Oh, I'm sorry for making a rebuttal to that you probably should've written that comment before I started writing mine.

You do realize the Disney continuity has more than just the movies, right? You should either use one continuity or the other, or do a composite. Picking a choosing parts from a separate continuity is asinine, especially if you don't do that for other verses. There's absolutely no reason to make an exception for Star Wars.

We also used Clone Wars....@Dark_Wing Sorry for replying after this. Lol. I didn't refresh the page.

It's okay

Your profile pic reminds me of AndreasVer. LOL! CHANGE IT TO PHOENIX OR SOMETHING!

Again, use one continuity or composite them both. Don't do one and take pieces from another, that makes no logical sense.

Is that bad?

It's...kind of weird...

So is this settled? (Dark Wing if you disagree with Hulk vs Atrocitus pin it on me. I fully wrote it)

How's it weird?

@Dark_Wing Well....I can argue for Hulk VS Atrocitus too. Both sides actually.

No @MoP, I loved Hulk vs Atrocious 😀

@Dark_Wing New Death Battle is out! And even if it is an OC one, I heard you were excited about DBs coming back.

When did you hear that?

Like 3 weeks ago. And you said it yourself too :D

Oh, I'm actually thinking about taking a break from this site for a few months (keyword thinking).

Did you see the next battle? Darth Maul had his opponent switched.

Switched with who?

Find out for yourself :)

Where?

Well you need to go to Goddess Aditi VS Darkstone and scroll down.

Who is that gray guy?

The Night King from Game of Thrones.

I don't watch Game of Thrones because I'm not old enough but I'm pretty sure that Maul has this.

If you're talking to me I'm 14.

when will Darth Maul vs Spider-Man come out?

I'm not sure, maybe in the next couple of days.

Are you using pre Episode 1 Maul, Clone Wars Maul, Rebels Maul, which version of Maul are you using?

Did you like the battle?

A mix of the movies and Clone Wars with some comics.

Haven't read it yet, first off I haven't seen anything Transformers related. But I'm right now betting on Unicron because as far as I know he can't die meanwhile Thor of all people has threatened Galactus with his god blast.

I have a paper ready for If Spider-Man beats Darth maul so make sure you do your research. Bty I would recommend Maul's Phantom Menace lightsaber and tactical abilities coupled with his Clobe Wars Force power and ruthless.

Well...so far, it is base versions. I know in Avengers VS Justice League *hint* *hint* Spider-Man might get his Iron Spider armor.

By the way, the Ultimate Nullifier could have killed Abraxas and Eternity, so yes, it can destroy people on a metaphysical tier of existence meaning that Unicron would also get...nullified.

Which begs the question of why you'd allow the Ultimate Nullifer when I explicitly told you it would one-shot Unicron?

Been in trouble.

Grounded?

Nah. I posted my face on here a year ago, my mum found out and I lost SHDB for a month and a half

Where do you post it?

Took you long enough, where were you?

I just have a very basic knowledge on both characters, [spoiler] but unless it was binary (which it was) Starfire would of given the overrated captain Marvel what she deserved [/spoilers]

This was episode 15 btw!

I didn't get to vote 😭

Odin VS Darkseid DBX: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lkqy-iBnHjwWBCTW8l79ffZEG1dKgFv94wE0OYR2t7A/edit

Loved them both! In an actual fight I do believe that Darkseid beats Odin in an actual fight, I voted Odin so why do I care. Aquaman stomps Black Panther and I'm glad that 69 precent know that. Keep up the good work @Akil.

Thanks! If you're lucky, you might get Shazam VS Hulk (another DBX) and MAYBE Captain Marvel VS Starfire (A death battle).

Ahsoka Tano vs Starfire instead, but I do love both characters and don't want to see either of them hurt the other.

These are the official rosters for Avengers VS Justice League. No more changes will be applied.

Do you realize that Hope Summers has the powers of HoM Scarlet Witch at this point?

And I've said why.

It truly is the endgame as the Avengers get blinked by the easily more powerful Justice League.

X-men (with Phoenix force) > Justice League > Avengers (mainly because of Thor, Wanda and Hulk,) > X-men (without Phoenix Force) > Titans >>> Teen Titans

Don't worry, it'll be fair, and actually, it'll be our longest Death Battle ;) with 16 V 16.

Who are those 32 members?

Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Sentry, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Wasp, Vision, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Jean Grey, Hercules, and Namor is the roster SO FAR. It could be edited.

I'll announce Justice League tomorrow ;)

When did Jean become an Avenger she's an X-man? Is this Phoenix or base Jean?

Base Jean (I mean...she's still an Omega Level Mutant. I also wanted to introduce the X-Men since they'll be entering from Season 3. I could switch it up with another Omega Level mutant if you want).

I love Jean, but switch her out for either Hope Summers or Iceman.

Can I join

Where do you vote on those?

I'll post the voting booths here from now on. The next DBX is probably Goku VS Superman. The votes for that are up, however, you can vote for Thanos VS Khreap and Odin VS Darkseid. I'll post the links in a second.

http://micropoll.com/t/KFsChZVa3K - Thanos VS Khreap (Khreap is an OC. Check him out).

http://micropoll.com/t/KFsChZVa3J - Odin VS Darkseid

It should be common knowledge that Superman beats Goku.

Get that OC out of their!

When I try to vote it says "results have been disabled" dose that mean my vote counted?

I love the sass on Goku VS Superman 😂 Also be sure to watch out for Black Panther VS Aquaman (voting is up for that and the battle might drop tomorrow) and Shere Khan VS Scar (that'll OPEN tomorrow).

Yeah, don't worry. It just says that so you can't see the votes.

It takes someone who is insane to think Black Panther beats Aquaman. Why can't we see the votes?

It just leaves the suspense up. I just checked. You voted for Odin, didn't you?

THE ALL FATHER! 😀

I do believe Darksied is more powerful and skillful, plus having the Anti Life Equation really has it benefits, but I just like Odin better so I voted. Btw how did you know I voted for Odin?

It popped up stating that someone voted.

BTW, he won't have the ALE in a fight against Odin. He only had it against in the DB against Thanos since Thanos had the IG. Even then, Thanos was too powerful, so he got Soulfire and all that.

Yours truly @Dark_Wing.

When was your Thanos vs Darksied?

It was Episode 11. Just do Control F, and type in "Episode 11".

Not on a computer.

Then just scroll down.

I meant Phoenix vs Doctor Fate not base Jean.

It's confirmed for next season. I loved the idea and everyone on Discord loved the idea too :D

Make sure you use Phoenix or Dark Phoenix, I don't want to see my favorite X-men get blink stomped.

Yeah, probably going to be Dark Phoenix. We might allow full body replacement for it and maybe Nabu will fight White Phoenix. Who knows? ;)

Unhosted Phoenix stomps that guy.

Nope, just me and MoP.

We addressed that though. (The winner) was more powerful than (the loser) and the winner was more experienced, not to mention that she was a lot more aware over how powerful she could become.

BTW. The next battle will most likely be out tomorrow.

I don't have it at the moment. You might need to ask Sora. It doesn't say that she can go whenever she wants, but evidence has proven she gains a large power boost when she is emotionally distressed, and the specific scan says she can go HoM if she has time and a strong power source.

@Dark_wing MoP won't be on until May 1st.

@Dark_wing, stop being an arrogant and ignorant ***** because you lost every debate you had with me or anyone else, at that matter. And Wanda CAN use House of M powers at this moment. Literally, in the comic she can use. It doesn't take an idiot to know that you're biased against her and other characters, such as OCs.

@Darkwing stfu like anything you say contains relevance

Sora's a he, first of all. Second of all, I have made it very clear that I always use the EU with Star Wars, you're the one who's always whining about it. And you call the feats outliers, yet you haven't given any reasoning to support besides your own bias. And no, someone doesn't have to be biased against OCs, there's literally no point for that apart from trying to make people mad.

Sora would solo you in any debate just letting you know @Darkwimp

The Dark Wimp child is triggered @everyone

*I made Cheetahboy but whatever*

Welp, he's triggered now. I'd usually debunk you on everything you just said, but I'm too lazy now and have done it in the past.

1 darkwing you never beated me 2 wand Cant use hom 3 darkwing you beated sora

You called Sora a she, so I corrected you on that.

Jon is so hilarious, but children usually are.

No @Dark i won on that debate

@Darkwing you never beat Sora, I think for your standards it is impossible for you out of all people to beat sora

You beated sora in cosmic armor Superman VS beyonder / sora is the worst debater ever

I'm not in this fight but I'd like to say I highly disagree with that

@Dark then nobody won because you did not prove me wrong i still think deathstroke stomps wolverine

"Mary Sue" You use that term a lot, I don't think you know what it means. Hope Summers is not a Mary Sue in the slightest.

@Jongensoden no u, Sora is actually the best debater, your just saying he's a bad debater because your scared to debate him

Go sick thanos d*** k i want to debate her

Did this get reported for what was said or the grammar? lol

It's my stupid autocorrect

You'd get destroyed in the process

Do you understand what it means to be a messiah? Because if you do, you'd know that perfectly explains why Hope is as strong as she is. You've still given no reasons that actually align with the definition of what a Mary Sue is. I'll go down the list of reasons and explain why she's not a Mary Sue.
——
1. Is she, for no good reason, extremely powerful?
- No, she is powerful because she is the Mutant Messiah and is essentially the entire Mutant race in a single person.

2. Does she have no glaring flaws or shortcomings whatsoever?
- No, she has shown several flaws, one of which being that she cannot completely control her powers sometimes.

3. Does she rapidly have or gain new skills for no reason?
- No, all of Hope's skills came from training with other people such as Cable, Cyclops and the other X-Men.
——
Hope ain't a Mary Sue, end of story.

Oh yes, one thing we will work on is that we will be VERY consistent with battles now. Previously, we would say, "this is one character vs another," but then change it. We have some battles planned, but unless we are 100% dedicated with it, we won't announce it. If there is a change, we will anounce it.

ACTUALLY! I was wrong. Thanos VS Darkseid was our finale (which makes a LOT more sense). Anyways, this season was shorter with 11 episodes. The next ones will be longer. We are into Season 2 and we've got 2 battles done. We've got like, 12-14 more to go! This might be slightly sad for @NemianLion because it means that Lionman probably won't make it into Death Battle this season. Same goes for Grail.

If you put in Lionman every season I'll draw Star Storms and Cheetah Boy, you know how good my art is

Well, he's already appeared in this season ;) but yes, he'll have quite some battles coming up. Next up is Lionman VS Grail (I mean whenever his time limit thing is up).

When's the next battle going to be released mate?

Aye

We will have some violent battles. The reason some of them aren't exactly that gory is that while the characters are fighting to who would win, we are trying to make this REALLY realistic towards what would happen and to be fair, that means we have to do in-character battles. That's why some characters aren't really trying to murder each other, but I'll just say, Hulk VS Atrocitus will have a LOT of violent scenes, and some other battles too. I'm really good at writing graphic scenes ;)

Lionman V Grail

I know you want that battle, but you are going to have to wait a TINY bit ;) We have a lot of battles coming up and since Lionman was in a recent one, we will wait a bit before his battle comes up, but I will PROMISE you that the only opponent Lionman is going up against next is Grail.

You mean quintinities? And I'm pretty sure the OCs would obliterate. Also, Marvel's quintinity would be more like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Wolverine, Captain America and maybe Hulk.

YES! God I've been trying to think of the word.
OCS wouldn't stomp if we nerfed them and let them at base (Except for Eafe of Ares and Primal Forms)

Well, yeah, I suppose the OCs other variations could make that a good fight.

Cheetahboy, Star Storms, and Lionman would be at solar system level which is good. It matches up with basically everyone except for Cap, Spidey, Batman, and Wolverine.

Titan Saga Heartstone is also solar systemic.

Can we just save this site from the disease that is OC characters

I agree with Darkwing, only because the characters from the Omega Reality aren't OCs, they are literary characters.

Mmm no
They're OC's

No, they're licenced and copyrighted characters, in literary form.

Are they apart of an official company?

@darkprodigy as far as I know no

@Nemain your omega reality is just plane dumb and it's not canon you can NOT force your ideas on other universes I'll give you a deal show me you have the rights to dc comics and boom dc is part of your omega verse

Hold up idiot, WHAT? Your allegations are frankly as re.tar.ded as you are, tell me, for one, why the Omega Reality is plain dumb, two, how is it uncanon? I AM THE LITERAL WRITER! Force my ideas on another universe? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Omega Reality is a sole company with no affiliations to any other company ESPECIALLY NOT DC, so why the hell are you bringing them up? I never claimed I had the rights to DC, you're an actual bull.**** artist.

Calm down @nemian I thought @mop said that his omega reality was that all of fiction took place in the same universe must have miss understood

Why was my comment reported? Clearly, you misunderstood, that's why you're making so many dumb comments, don't ever talk to me like that again, that's plain offensive bro, I'm reposting my comment, also, no, The Varosverse does not hold every universe ever,

Hold up idiot, WHAT? Your allegations are frankly as re.tar.ded as you are, tell me, for one, why the Omega Reality is plain dumb, two, how is it uncanon? I AM THE LITERAL WRITER! Force my ideas on another universe? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Omega Reality is a sole company with no affiliations to any other company ESPECIALLY NOT DC, so why the hell are you bringing them up? I never claimed I had the rights to DC, you're an actual bull.**** artist.

It takes two reports to blur a comment

Except for the first two (Superman vs Thor and Trigon vs Galactus) These are as accurate as a human can do.
We have 13 battles so far
Superman vs Thor
Trogon vs Galactus
Deathstroke vs Captain America
Namor vs Ocean Master
Green Lantern vs Nova
Aang vs Naruto
Ryu vs Iron Fist
Flash vs Juggernaut
Lionman vs Kallungi
Kenshi vz Darth Vader
Thanos vs Darkseid
And Cartoon Fox vs TV Guy

I'd agree with all of those, I like it. I think if you wanted Jumper to fight in here, have him fight someone like, Magneto or something. Someone who can control or stop his suit or something to give him a little bit more of a challenge.

Would Venom or Carnage work? Or MK Scorpion or Sub-Zero

@CW?

Carnage could be very interesting

You would be able to help as well. (I think you already asked)

Yeah completely objective opinion, I'd love to help with
Carnage v Jumper

Send your email to [email protected]

For witch battle????

Typo, which.

Galactus VS Unicron.

Well it's a tough choice,
The Lord of chaos, vs the devourer of worlds,
Going to be a tough fight but I think,
Unicron wins, I could be wrong in the end but
I say he prevails and wins. 10/8.5

There's not really a way to make that fight fair. Either you use Unicron's planetary avatars, which get one-shot by even poorly fed Galactus, or you use his strongest avatars, which one-shot even Well Fed Galactus.

Lifebringer galactus

Also World Butcher Galactus

Sweet

@mop When does unicron v Galactus release.

We aren't sure yet, but before that, Scarlet Witch VS Zatanna might come up. Also stay tuned for Spider-Man VS Darth Maul ;)

Nice, can't wait. 😁👍

Oh yeah, like I said below, we will do Minecraft (OR PUBG...maybe) VS Fortnite, but whether that's before Captain Marvel VS Starfire or after is questionable. @Bane333, put your predictions below!

@MoP thank you for considering my character! I'd love to. He would destroy Hayden Christensen's Jumper lol. But I would love to have him be involved!

I wanna say Scarlet Witch, due to how her powers work, they are a bit more raw in teir destructive capability, but I do believe that it depends on a scenario

Which is why I wanted to bring up something, Akhil, Mop, sometimes in your battles the fight is unfair, I think you should create scenarios that make the battles more close, like location, weather, items, etc

I always take that into account if I make the beginning of the fight. Depends on the personality of the character and stuff.

Both characters I deeply hate, Ahahaha.

Agreed. I hate both, but lets be real, the multiverse will end before a victor is chosen? Jk- Saitama is planetary, but no one can beat the omnipotence of Squirrel Girl which is greater than RK Thor who is above fiction.

Squirrel Girl just doesn't get punched

Is Witching Hour Wonder Woman VS Rune King Thor a good battle? Or would you prefer Old King Phoenix Thor to fight WH Diana?!?

I'd prefer standard WW fight Thor and then OdinForce/Warriors madness Thor fight War Wonder Woman, but then again, Screw Attack has more or less done that.

Hercules vs Wonder Woman seems more original, maybe try that one?

That sounds like a good idea, also, I've already said Thor beats Diana SO many times, and @MoP agrees, and @Soulcollecter57 has said that I feel like it won't even be a surprise who wins considering Thor will most likely win the Death Battle.

Do some real life stuff to.

Deji VS KSI anyone?

Like Simba VS Shere Khan? Lion VS Tiger?

Those are fictional characters, but if you REALLY want to, I could help you out with research for Simba.

No thanks, Lion King is my favorite movie, and I've watched it a LOT, so I know his feats.

Like how he survived an attack from 21 - 23 Hyena's? I counted by the way, and walked out with NO DAMAGE? Before having cinder thrown in his eyes and taking a sneak attack, to then STILL beat an adult Lion? Simba is super... Lion for Lion standards

Utter Garbage, almost the whole Lionman profile was factually WRONG, the comparison between the two competitors was factually wrong, John Howe wasn't the first Ultravox, he wasn't even the 100th, there are LITERALLY no similarities with Quantum Computers and Boom Tubes other than the fact they get you places... Boom Tubes don't manipulate Space, Time and Reality.

The Universe they were transported to was NOT a baby universe, also, f*ck you MOP and AnthillPMS for mocking my last name, we know your mothers are loose but damn! Ultravox X was a clone of John AND Peter, so that proves you got your facts wrong, Lionman was conceived before the war and was born into it.

I fail to understand how a potion is the same as a consumable flower but okay, I guess then Black Panther is a rip off of Captain America, did you fail to mention the Extinguish Agency trained him to fight beings FAR stronger than himself? Another reason why base Lionman stomps moon level Kallungi, the form was created by spiritual practice, not biochemistry, tectonic plates are more so quadrillions of tons.

Dragonborn and Star Storms feats are irrelevant, it was a 4 second feat, not a 10 second one, you'd know that if you've read the Feat List I sent you. "He is also very smart. He's kept up with Star Storms" A prison inmate seeking recompense? Dude, he is far more intelligent than Stan ever was Electron? STOP. MENTIONING. YOUR. CHARACTERS. IN. A. BIO. ABOUT. LIONMAN!

Why did you bring up Tyton? You could of brought up Phoenix or Martain Manhunter but you bring up Tyton? Really... Also autism doesn't come to play in fights, only in social and interpersonal interactions.

Bronze Tiger wouldn't stand still, he's a better combatant than even Lionman, he'd know he's about to be blasted, my dude, Bronze Tiger would have dropped Kallungi in twelve seconds, max, the pre death battle, he was Lionman, but in the Death battle he was in his base form? WHAT!?

He would throw a mere 'Strike' or at least not one that was going to be evaded by the limited likes of Kallunguli, he would have anticipated the kick due to precognition that you didn't involve, he would not allow himself to get grabbed, he would have used Krav Maga to beat this meat head, Lionman doesn't knee in groin, Lionman wouldn't even flinch from a tree, Kallungi wouldn't be able to pull in Lionman from the headbutt, due to Lionman's VAST superior speed.

You mention Autism being a hinderence when it'd be a benefit against an attack like that, due to an autistic brain being far more difficult to understand.

Forgot to mention Raion No Micchi! Hahaha! Gravity disks force him to the ground, not the air, Kallungi wouldn't be able to move, he'd be on the ground permanently, that mind trick wouldn't work, sure, Daniel isn't as intelligent as the top tier academic minds, but due to it's training, and spiritual enhancement, as well as practically having a genius mind with primal ferocity, it's much more hard to penetrate than a standard super genius.

Well, it really wasn't that close... It was a Star Level being fighting a Moon Level being... That's like an 80 million time difference... He tore a moon in half? A weaker version of base Lionman destroyed multiple moons from the SHOCKWAVES of his attacks and destroyed a planet

Moon feats aren't higher than Star feats, Kallungi wasn't even close to base Lionman, Kallungi is 4x sound, Lionman is over 200,000+ times Sound, and he can REACT to MFTL+ beings as well, due to his precognition, but raw speed? Lionman's more than 50,000 times faster.

Primal 2 is not as strong as Morganeth who is not as strong as Darkseid or Thanos, unless we're talking third form Morganeth, Experience? Daniel has been fighting all his life, PLUS the 1,000 years in limbo... WHEN HAS KALLUNGI FOUGHT FOR ALMOST 1,000 YEARS STRAIGHT!?

@MoP made Lionman's character profile, but one thing. I get that, but no need to insult us. And I have no idea how we insulted your last name. I didn't even see that. Two, @MoP was just trying to make it funny so it isn't literal. It is metaphorical. Three, Kallungi is not moon level, he is solar system level as he has easily fought solar system level beings before and survived attacks on that level. He just has torn a moon in half with ease. Kallungi also has MFTL+ combat speed as Tracer would like to say it, and since that is what you primarily use, I'll just put that out there.

@AkhilPDX, I didn't read the battle, I honestly don't care much about it. But the problem I see with bringing up the moon feat, is that if Kallungi is Solar System level like you said then destroying a moon is unimportant. That's like saying Hulk can easily tear apart buildings, I mean you aren't wrong, but destroying buildings is nothing compared to his consistent higher end feats. If you can destroy a planet for example, then bring up the fact they has destroyed a house is irrelevant. @MOP the problem with you is that you compare the characters to other ones in a completely different universe, I've told you about that you can't do it, that is not how that works. For example, he has power on par with Thanos, and giving no evidence to suggest they are that powerful other than a claim, I mean you don't even explain how powerful the character you are comparing them to is, so it gets you nowhere and you CAN'T do something like that and expect to be taken seriously. Give him his own feats, stop be lazy and comparing characters to someone else, show their own feats, not someone else's.

Yeah, that makes sense. I only included it because whenever someone mentions Superman's feats, they say he's destroyed moons and planets instead of mentioning that he's around solar system level, but I'll try to take your advice. Thanks though :D (PS- try to read the battle!)

I agree with literally almost everything Soul says.

As long as you have Akhil on board you're not allowed to use any characters I legally own.

Too bad, because I'm staying. Wanna know why? @MoP is my friend, and honestly, I bet he's a better person in real life than you are.

I don't give a f*ck if he is a better person than me, he can't be all that friendly if he's homeschooled and his mother monitors ever site he goes on.

Kallungi VS Lionman is ALMOST done.

Hey!

I got twenty minutes left and then I'll be on there to help finish

Ok - You do the analysis.

OK
Aldo I thought of a new db.
Nemians Meltdown vs My Warhead.
I need to edit him a bit but some time in the future?

No thank you

May I ask why? I mean they are both nuclear powered superhumans. Why wouldn't that be a good battle?

That sounds like a good Death Battle ;)

Because of your bias and need to make your characters over powered, final answer is no.

1. I am actually going to nerf him
2. I am not bias towards my characters. Numerous times I have accepted defeat against another OC. Star Storms is the only one I have bias for
3. I respect your decision. I'll fi d a different hero/villain

Well, bias can be a problem, but EVERYONE has it. Secondly, I completely understand overpowered characters. I hate that too, but @MoP did a good job nerfing. I bet Warhead is like Moon level now. And finally, he can do any battle regardless of if someone doesn't want him to do it ;)

*Puts hands together* Thank you.

Listen, you *****, Meltdown is my character, and I decide what he's involved in, so if I say I don't want him there, he doesn't go there, so f*ck off, I will be taking things very far if I see my characters in things I haven't asked them to be in and I promise you that.

I was trying to be nice, but guess what? IDC! Technically, if that was the case, he would need to ask Marvel or DC for every battle. But he doesn't. So arrest us both.

Trying to be nice? You're trying to use my property, what I own, you're a thief! If Marvel has a problem with you using their content they can sue, although they probably won't get a buck from you because you're broke so they wouldn't bother.

Whereas I will destroy you if you use my characters without permission, hell I may even DOXX you if you don't watch your mouth, listen, DO NOT USE MY CHARACTERS, I do not give you permission, if you use my characters I will find out information you don't want to be revealed and upload it, you better believe I will, I will ruin you to the point where you can't roam the streets without being berated, apologise and don't you dare even think about using my characters

No, I am not apologizing to that. And one more thing, don't even try to do something like that, because...well, IDC what you say. I am reporting this comment, and whatever you do with your pathetic life, you go do it, but if you put others in harm's way, you are an idiot who probably deserves to rot in jail. No offense, but you just threatened to have people abuse and assault me.

Fine @Nemian I'm not going to use your OCs. You don't have to act like this. Calm down and take a asrin or something

You certainly deserve that for provoking me, threatening me, claimed my personality was bad, but tell me, if my personality was so bad how am I house captain of a Catholic School? Your logic is completely flawed, you threatened to steal my characters, you deserve to be harassed on the streets because you're a garbage human being and a bully.

"Don't even try that because I'm reporting your comment" I'm quaking in my boots, I'm still gonna release private information if you use my property in your terrible battles. Berating isn't abused or assaulted you imbecile, it means you were be scolded, cursed out as criticised, you're such a complete idiot!

@MOP Funny how you claim to be such a nice guy but you tease me about my drug addiction.

@Nemian just shut up. I'm sick of how you think you can push us when your upset.
I wasn't making fun of anything . Whenever you have a headache you get angry.
IDC if you call our battles horrible. Look I don't want to fight. I already said I'll stop using your characters in our battles

You're not my issue! Your lapdog AnthillPMS is, he is constantly provoking me, threatening me, bashing on my personality, and threatened to steal my characters, so screw you if you're on his side, HOW THE HELL AM I PUSHING YOU AROUND? All I'm commanding you to do is not steal from me! Not use my characters! THAT IS IT! I'm not telling you what to do, I'm telling you what NOT to do, because they are MY characters, I own them, and I will take things further if Akhil doesn't give me a sincere full-length apology and grows out of his bad behaviour, as simple as that.

@Nemian Threatening people is a no-go here. This is not the way to resolve your issues with other people. I am almost sure that publishing private information is punishable by law.

This is your last warning. Get your act together.

@ManofPower @AkhillPDX I know you already said it, but stop using @Nemians characters in any battle. Don't make assumptions that you are going to do something with his characters either.

Satire fool, as if I would send the mafia onto an internet troll... Why would the family do that for me? I have no affiliation to them, sure there is mutual respect but I can't order them to attack someone, I just said it to scare you and by gosh I did.

As for @Galactus, yes, you're right, they're toddlers, I'm almost an adult, I should be more mature, I apologise to you an the site, but I would like foundations put into place where people can't use other members characters without permission.

@Nemian You keep apologising, but nothing changes. And saying things like '...they're toddlers...', like you're better than them, isn't helping either.

Characters on this website can be used in battles. I'm not going to restrict that. If you ask someone in a polite way not to use your character in a 'custom' battle (in the forums), they should respect that.

I don't know what to tell you, I am older than them and I should be more mature, nothing happens because the same set of antagonist continue to push me pass my limits deliberately and without empathy on whatever damage they may cause, they do it with harmful intent.

"No thank you" Is that not polite? I tried that approach, my second comment was an explanation, Akhil kept egging me on, they can create battles using my characters on the battle section that's fine, but just not on this death battle thing when it's only dictated by two people with very limited knowledge and research.

"...provoking me, threatening me, bashing on my personality, and threatened to steal my characters, so screw you if you're on his side..." - Well guess what, I didn't do ANY of that except "threaten" to use your characters. Also, when I say something, you can decide to be provoked. And honestly, you've called me stupid for saying Superman beats Hulk, so if that provoked you, IDK what to say at this point. Just be more mature as @Galactus said.

Yeah . I still have ten minutes on SHDB and then I'll go on the doc.
When you supposed to do S vs Z?

I decided we'll do it together. It is more fun when someone is helping me ;)

Well you'll have to wait maybe a week or two. I'm in the middle of something personal (Not bad) and won't be able to do research on Z

I finished research on W and Z so no need.

Iif you want me to help with the battle then I'll be able to do it. Researching takes to long and is impossible to do with my "matter"

Sure. The battle will be crazy.

Maybe we can finish K vs L and Z vs S before I have to get off. 1 more minute.
P.S Check Star Storms Drawing out (I feel we should do a db with him someday)

The winners have been decided for both. Anyways, W VS Z will take longer. I didn't even write stuff there. Just finished the research.

Except my word is backed on feats that have been published and listed, so our wood is not equal, mine is more educated and has a factual basis behind it, your cousin is just making things up as he goes along.

You haven't really done much better than Death Battle at all, if you're not considering every feat, how can you decipher who would win? What flawed logic.

Don't click the link, copy and paste it. There you go.


https://www.deviantart.com/the-nemian-lion/art/Lionman-Feats-WIP-772259767

K vs L is hard to decide. I mean Kallungi lacks the smarts but exceeds Lionman in almost every other attribute (Except Dexterity)

Sh...we'll decide on the document ;)

Don't debate here.

Except skill, intelligence, speed, strength, versatility and equipment you mean.

Fine whatever you say @Danny
Alright Akhil you ready?
Nemian stay off the doc for the doc until me and Akhil post it on here.
P.S You done a amazing job at the feats

Yes @MoP - Ready!

Remember that's just base form Lionman, Primal 1 is Solar Systemic and Primal 2 is Galactic, with the Sword Of Agregus he is boosted to Universal powers and the sword itself has Multiversal attack potency, can manipulate time and space and can bend reality on an extremely small scale.

I said that before I got all of the research for Kallungi. Now, I'm not saying. As for fighting skill, I didn't reveal anything about him.

How do you need to research your own character? That makes no sense, what you meant to say was "Oh Nemian! I had to make new things up just so my OC stood a remote chance against Lionman! So I'm rigging the fight!"

I see through you like a glass pane, but tell me, what is Kallungi gonna do against Lionman's equipment?

Firstly, not my OC. Secondly, I did the research necessary. Third of all, he would have stood a chance. Fourth of all, the battle hasn't been written yet so stop acting like Lionman will SO win 10/10 times, because he will LOSE the battle if you keep this up. Lastly, you'll see what he does against Lionman's equipment.

Keep this up? What am I keeping up? All I am stating is facts, you've asked me for opinions and now you're threatening me? I'm calling this battle off, I don't want you to use my character in your bullshit battles, because clearly you don't know how to do proper research, all that was said about Kallungi is this

"Kallungi the lion troll lived Revalir'r, but he loved to torment and kill creatures for the fun of it. He went to earth to look for people to kill and then he went to Africa, were he ate baboons and impala and people. He killed a leopard with his bare hands and took down an entire village of people. Kallungi eventually fought superheroes like cHeethakid, Nightknife, and Intellence. he Beet all of them, and went back, but was eventually defeated. Kallungi has a blasting stick made out a extremely strong metal which can shoot energy blasts, absorb energy, and create fields. Kallungi is very strong, fast, and durable. He is invulnerable to weapons like bullets and swords. He is very cool. Kallungi has enough power to kill people who can destroy planets and his weapon can hart uneversal people."

That is no where close to anything Lionman is capable of, and hell, Kallungi is just a troll who came to Africa, he has no training stated in his bio, so don't tell me he can keep up with Lionman's skill, that's incorrect, he is NOT getting past even a gravity disk, let alone the Sword of Agregus, that will cut his head clean off.

He has not ever faced someone like Lionman, so don't make things up not little boy, get a decent haircut and do some exercise, and don't you dare put my character in any of your crappy battles ever again, I have yet to read a single decent battle from you and frankly if MOP kicked you out? It would be a far superior thing, as he is beyond what you will ever be in terms of studying a character, but that's fine, and you wonder why @Soulcollecter's battles are at least a million times better than yours even though there are two of you and one of him.

Sorry kid but you've pissed me off a bit.

Well, guess what? I actually asked my cousin about his abilities personally and turns out, he didn't update that horrid bio in quite some time. He has a LOT more feats than on that, and frankly, I don't care about your opinion. You can state it and why, but honestly, don't think it would be a stomp. If it was a stomp, the battle wouldn't exist in the first place.
BTW - You are so smart for being able to read that bio. God, I need to get him to work on his spelling.

Sorry, it was mainly my fault. I just got irritated that you kept saying it would be a stomp :)

And BTW - That was Classic Kallungi. We are using Current Kallungi as he has more feats and they aren't as inconsistent. Classic Kallungi would either obliterate Lionman or get crushed like a bug by Lionman.

Dude, so you're using a version of Kallungi that isn't even on the website? How does that make sense? There is nothing here to refer to other than your cousin's word, that is hardly a substantial source of evidence.

Here is a link to Lionman's feats - https://www.deviantart.com/the-nemian-lion/art/Lionman-Feats-WIP-772259767

You may need them, It doesn't take a genius to read a bio, that's the only source of information he has that I could find dude, you should have read through it as well, because that's his bio, his most important section.

It was your fault, why are you getting irritated with my analysis? All I'm telling you is Lionman's extent of his abilities and how I don't think Kallungi has much of a chance to win the fight, due to what I read, it's not my fault your cousin isn't motivated enough or whatever to update his bio, so don't pin that on me.

How is classic Kallungi gonna obliterate any version of Lionman? He's a meathead troll, he has not been trained by anyone, Lionman has been trained by some of the best combatants on Earth, he has a precognition ability which means he can predict any move given.

Hey! Both of you need to stop this.
P.S Nemian I'll accept defeat. I wrote a return but i thought it was too brutal (Personally) But I'm done dissing my friend so this war is officially over and theyll be no more wars

Too brutal? Let me translate that "Nemian, I tried to write something but it was horrible because I'm pathetic so I didn't bother because I know I would get decimated, so I'm conceding defeat as you are the superior rapper"

Dude that's what you said last time, yet you dissed me again, so I destroyed you, as Soul said, your mentor said, I destroyed you and it was a no contest.

Nah I thought it was pretty good. But I said some stuff I'm glad I didn't post. Like about your autism and about your granddaddy. But yeah you are the superior rapper. I'm done beefing with you

Well, I'm using that version because that's the main version. Plus, my cousin's word is equal to your word, so if his analysis on his own character can't be trusted, your analysis on Lionman can't be trusted. Simple as that.

Akhil I said stop bro. Nemian it shouldn't matter where Akhil gets his info from. Just like @LordTracer or @SoulCollector they give feats that aren't written. Just go with the flow bro so no no plz

That link doesn't work. Sorry. Also, I'm only going off of what @ManofPower wrote and we can't include every single feat and every single piece of tech, but we try to do it better than Death Battle. Plus, I trust him and so far, the bios and powers section has been mostly solidified.

Akhil you have to copy it and paste it into the search browser. Erase You and it'll work

Dude because you know that if you said that, I would have decimated you, that's why you backed away from it because you don't want to see Pridaval angry.

@MOP, all of my feats I give are written, weather it's the Graveyard, debates, or my OCs, it may not be written in a published comic book, but all of my feats are given in the bio and power section of my characters and that's what I go off of, and I rarely ever debate with my OCs, I think I've only done it once or twice. But nonetheless all my feats I've ever given are written.

Lionman's skill, weapons, armor and tactical intelligence is what wins the match, strength, speed and versatility is the cherry on top.

Like I said before, don't be so sure. You don't really know yet who's faster, stronger, more versatile, or who has better intelligence.

The Anti-Life Entity isn't nigh-omnipotent...he's low-hyperversal...

Atrocitus

Ooh: You have good ideas Nemian :D

Hulk Mangog

*Hulk vs Mangog

Thank you child. :)

Hulk VS Mangog is unfair to Hulk...

@Akhil how is it unfair to hulk?

Mangog is skyfather level. On par with Odin and Zues...

How? Hulk has far greater feats, use Immortal Hulk if you want, he beat Thor with a single punch, while Mangog was defeated by Jane Foster, someone inferior to Thor without his hammer, Mangog is over rated.

This isn't somewhere where I debate you Nemian: Also, Mangog has feats that make Jane beating him PIS.

No Mangog isn't, he was defeated by Jane Foster, again, inferior to a hammerless Thor, besides, a full powered World Breaker Hulk would beat him anyway, even easier as Immortal Hulk due to Hulk EASILY thrashing Jane Foster and Hercules at the same time then beating Thor with a single punch.

@Akhil I mean you can use something like World breaker hulk instead, then it would be more balanced

Also, Hulk VS Atrocitus has been added to the list...

I know Akhil, you don't like debating on the site, only on terrible Discord servers! HAHAHA!

@Akhil ok, I am not sure who I think will win that fight(Atrocitus vs Hulk)

Good, Atrocitus is an extremely powerful being, able to defeat groups of Manhunters even without his ring, with it, his powers are amplified.

World War Hulk is just an angry version of Hulk with Gladiator Training and higher intelligence...I mean, he was nearly defeated by Juggernaut and Hercules. Mangog would trash those two characters...

Atrocitus is arguably superior to Hal Jordan: It'll be a good fight...hopefully it won't end in a speedblitz...

World Breaker Hulk and World War Hulk are two different things, also, if Atrocitus could speed blitz Hulk, why hasn't Thor, Sentry, Gladiator etc done that? Laughing out loud.

I am not debating you: The battle will end up how it will end up. @MoP and I make the calculations and do the research by ourselves. The outcome will be what it'll be and truth be told, we can't change it afterwards...only do a rematch and the only reason that will happen is if it is a big battle like Goku VS Superman or Thanos VS Darkseid...and by big, I mean popularity...

Imepriex maybe

Onslaught

I'm not helping him on this battle but honestly, Onslaught would win...

@Akhil why you not helping him on the battle?

He said he wants to do it alone. And BTW - Use Base versions of both.

If it's base versions of both than Onslaught wins

Varosverse vs Omega Reality? Light of Destiny (Me) vs Pridaval? A cleaning utensil vs a deadly predator? A Godly Being vs A Protein Bar Eating Guy? XD

You read the DB below

No I'll do that now

It says I can't look at the DB without your permission...

Try now

So you read it? Akhil and I done alot of work. Almost two weeks it feels

Hmm, what is it in? A debate, a battle, or something else, like personality?

@Nemain destroys me in a debate. Due to my sheer size and strength (possibly speed) I have a chance to defeat the shrimp. His ego couldn't compete with my perfect egotistical mind XD

Maybe not DESTROY, but yes, he'll beat you. Physical battle, Nemian probably wins. Personality though?!? YOU STOMP @MoP. You're like a billion times nicer.

Ok so @Mop my death battle request ends in your Win is what ur saying?

Dude how do you know @Nemian wins physically? He is a better fighter but I can run almost 20mph , Bench press almost 300 and deadlift 500. I mean I do play basketball ball bro I need to work out

I love how you're judging personality on an online basis, MOP could be an ******* irl and I could be a saint irl, Internet personas do not reflect real life personalities.

Actually I'm pretty much the same irl. Same stubbornness , same naiveness , same rapping skills , everything. Why call me a a-Hole bro? Why XD

Lifting is not striking strength, also I'm pretty sure I can go over 300, running away won't win you a fight, striking speed will, I fight to survive dude, you ain't a fighter.

Lifting is not striking strength, also I'm pretty sure I can go over 300, running away won't win you a fight, striking speed will, I fight to survive dude, you ain't a fighter.

I said you 'COULD' be, I didn't say you are, I'm nothing like I am on the internet, I'm quiet as hell, more kept to myself, sterner, but nicer, the type of guy who would offer you a drink and pay.

Dude i got bones of steel. I accidentally dropped a washing machine on my finger and it didn't even shatter as a normal humans would. A little kitten strike ain't nothing. But honestly @Nemian you would possibly destroy me in a fight.

I dare you 2 to do an actual boxing match live IRL 😂😂😂 for this death battle(don't do it)

Lol @Nemian
@Nemian is in Australia , I am in America

I wouldn't because I wouldn't wanna hurt one of my home boys.

I was raised in Australia, that means I literally grew up in hell, magpies everywhere want you dead, the guys I've fought are way bigger than you are homie.

@Mop it feels like this whole SHDB community is either Australia or America... I am also from America.

Yes, @soulcollecter34 - What do you think?

I completely agree with the outcome, it was a very good, and well researched battle, (I also see you use my idea to add the characters quotes, or maybe you've had it like that I don't remember). And @MOP, I've noticed you've been using that feat recently, the one where Darkseid helped with the destruction of that one character, I don't remember his name, irrelevant, but it's not as impressive as it sounds. That only makes him 1/5 universal, and increasingly his power 2000 fold still only has him at 400x universal not as impressive as you think, just throwing that out there. But Thanos I agree wins.

Yes! I'm happy you liked it :D

@Akhil I am happy that your happy that @Soul was happy with your battle 😁

Thanks @EmptyHand!

@ElectroSpino and @EmptyHand! What do you guys think of Thanos VS Darkseid?

Red Hood vs Winter Soldier, I'm predicting Bucky to get the win.

Hmm- People really want Lionman to fight Kallungi....

A kind of one-sided fight in my opinion... Would you like me to help you out with some research and a feat list?

Sure @TheNemianLion :D - I'll try to make it fair though...

I already got a Lionman DB commentary
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DTfoG8c8PWGJm1jezyBHHsyJBbC1FHQrRIE5GfV0qco/edit?usp=drivesdk

Kallungi is superior to Red Hulk but he's weaker than Hulk so I guess it isn't too bad...

Okay, the thing is, Kallungi is merely planet level physically, Lionman in his standard form is Star Level, meaning he is 1,000,000 times more powerful, sure his stick is universal, but what's to say it'll get a hit on Lionman? The Lionman can move over Mach 250,000 in his Standard form, Kallungi's speed is not explained, therefore the assumption needs to be made he has the average human speed or just over, Lionman speed blitzes according to that fact.

Lionman is also a martial arts master, look at what Shiva did to Batman, it'd be like that except the gap between Kallungi and Lionman are far greater, now when you look at the strength difference, Kallungi physically doesn't stand a chance, also, The Lionman's senses are incredibly advanced, we already know what they can do.

Now, The Lion Roar is a one shot, I don't even need to explain why, y'all already know.

That was all Standard Lionman, fetting into his Primal forms, he skyrockets, Primal 3 he can tank the stick as he's universal, he's also so much faster than light it's scary.

Actually, Kallungi is around solar system level. As for his speed, I can explain a bit. My cousin made him so while we were in Africa. He can react to MFTL+ beings although it isn't exactly known how much they hold back. He has destroyed a planet before and he's harmed beings that are around Solar System level. As for fighting skill, Kallungi is durable enough to take it and he has held his own against skilled fighters before. Now, I honestly don't have an answer for his primal forms and the Lion Roar. Is it okay if we use Classic Lionman? You know, the CLASSIC, the PRIMORDIAL OC that was and still is GOOD and not corrupt like the insane OMNIPOTENT OC's that exist, (ahem) Heartstone (cough, cough)...

Kind of outdated and a bit of that information is untrue, John wasn't the first Ultravox, it's existed since ancient times

Classic Lionman? You mean the one who could beat Thanos and Darkseid at the same time... No thank you, current Lionman is far more balanced, perhaps limit him to Primal 2 if you wanna go up against Kallungi, but I still think he stomps considering his utter skill, armour, tactical mind and versatility.

I used the origin from Fandom and combined it with the one from SHDB . If you can, Can you write it up for Lionman?

No, I mean the one who was limited to Primal Stage 1 and slowly was built up over time...

My dude that's still 100x solar system level, Primal 1 these days is JUST Solar System Level.

And sure I'll write something up.

I know, that'll make him on par with Kallungi....and yeah, Kallungi can hold onto Primal 2 also...but can he win is the question...

Probably not, it's not just a battle of strength, also, speed, skill, intelligence, grit, durability, versatility and more.

Thunderstruck VS Vatoon wins!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482879273598713856/537098681124651019/unknown.png

Hmm...I'm going to have to do alot of research. I have no idea who they are! XD

@Tracer's OC VS @Sora's OC

@Nemian Grail vs Lionman will come soon. Just be patient please. Tracer I'm not able to do Heartstone because you don't have origin, explainations of her powers , feats nothing. Also I'm not using OP Multiversal Heartstone

We'll see about Lionman VS Grail: He might have a better opponent too ;)

Like Liono or Kratos?

Her entire power set is listed, and the reasoning for her tiers are there.

Hmm, maybe another OC....or yeah, someone like Doomsday...

I am still going to need a nicely explained Origin and at least 10 feats

I'm not trying to be mean or nothing just like things to be explained

They already are explained.

I understand the powers are explained but I still want a origin and some feats

The feats that justify her power level are already listed though. That's the point of having the explanation in the first place. And by origin, do you mean how she got her powers, or her entire history?

Yes. But not just some quick history I want her early life all the way to now. Me and @Akhil will pick through the origin and find what's right for the commentary

@Tracer what do you think about Vader vs Kenshi?

The research is 4-5/10 times; how they present it is 8.5/10; battles are 9/10 times :D

Research is around 6-7/10 , 3D Battles 8/10 , Pixel Battles 6/10 , Commentary 9/10

Has anyone read this battle?

I can agree with the outcome, because it's a literal 50/50 imo they are complete equals, but the conclusion was weird, if he shot that grenade it would have blow them both up, and it matches that feats and makes sense for both of the, to get hit by it, or for the grenade to be much closer to Deadshot than Lester, because his throwing speed is far greater than the speed of a hummingbirds wing flap meaning it would be much harder for Deadshot to perceive it. Because to travel 100 yards in a few seconds, I went with 5 to be reasonable, and that's 40.9 mph, and a toothpick is about a few inches 3 at the most, the scale is very much the same, and you also have to take into account that the toothpick was facing toward the direction it was thrown and they are only 1/16th of an inch thick, smaller than the span of a hummingbirds wing and flap, (which is 25-30mph, you used the higher end but that's fine I don't really care) and a grenade weighs much more than a toothpick so it would travel faster. Then you must also take into account that an average grenade explosion has a width of about 5 meters, and not to mention the shrapnel fired off from it, and they were in close hand to hand combat just before and both would have been wrecked by it. So I have absolutely no problem with the winner, but I do have a problem with the way it happened, but this one was really well made.