LionmanvsTeam Cell

Created by TheNemianLion

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Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell They would half STAR level characters, Cell is Solar System so while it would most likely slow him down, not by as much as it would Frieza. Example let's say frieza is a 50 and Cell is a 75, Freiza would be halfed making him 25, but that same disk on cell would only make him at a 50, it has a set amount of power and would not effect higher foes nearly enough.
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TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I didn't mean to say half, I meant to say halt, it would completely render Frieza unable to move, and if Cell was 75, which he isn't, he is maybe 300, if Frieza at 50 became a 0, Cell could potentially be anywhere from a 0 to 10, because a 50 is unable to move, a 75 is maybe able to crawl, a 100 might be able to make steps with struggle, a 200 may be able to move but he critically slowed down and a 300 like Cell would be able to move around decently, but with struggle and be seriously slowed, more than 2 times, anywhere from 10 - 50 times, again, Frieza would NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE AN INCH, how is Perfect Cell, someone only half a dozen to a dozen times more powerful and faster going to move at lightspeed when someone who is star level can't even move at all?
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell The numbers were not to be taken literal, they are merely simplified numbers I use to help me get a better grasp of what I am saying so it makes sense, to both me and the person I am debating. And there are 100 billion stars in a solar system, so Cell would be technically billions of times stronger, but lets say he is bare minimum 12x stronger. Frieza would be unable to move, but he is only 1/12th the power of Cell. So if it was used on Cell he would still move at 11/12th his full speed.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman That's not what it means at all dude, that's not how gravity works in the real world at all, first though, there are not 100 billion stars in a solar system, there are 1 or 2, however, you can fit 42 MILLION OF OUR STARS in the solar system, but our sun is a very small star, the disks can make someone completely unable to move who is star level, not small star level, or sun is very small, VY CANIS MAJORIS is 9.6 billion times larger, the disks can hold down completely someone like Frieza who is millions of times stronger than a star buster, also, a solar system buster can destroy all the stars in the solar system and all the planets, Cell was threatening to destroy our sun and 8 other planets, that's only star level in destructive power, space is a null void, so you can't destroy space, that's something people fail to understand, yes 42 mllion of our suns can fit in our solar system, but the solar system DOESN'T have 42 million suns, sure, SOME solar systems may have twin stars, but most only have 1, thereofre a solar system buster isn't that much higher than a star bsuter, well, at all, Thus Cell, can barely move under the disks! HAH! I'm right again!
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Do you have evidence of your disks holding someone that powerful or are you just giving a statement and expect me to take it as a truth? Because all it says about the disks is "Inside of Lionman's gauntlets lie gravity manipulative disks." If you can give me a feat where they have contained a star level character I'll willing to believe you.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Lionman used them against Nebulous, who had the power to destroy Multiple Solar systems, the number that I've been thinking about would be 20 because logically he should be able to defeat Lionman as he did, he was slowed down considerably, from 100 times faster than light to half the speed of light, he has basically the same speed as Cell does, but he is quite a bit more powerful, Lionman slowed him down to half the speed of light, but Nebulous managed to break the disk's power, not due to his speed, but due to his power, and that was with incredible struggle, he has almost four times the power as Lionman in his base form.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Alright, so they would have a huge effect on Cell, but would it really be as much, normal Cell is let's say 100x FTL because of multipliers similar to Nebulous, but if you remember this is a hypothetical Cell that is 6x stronger than normal, if Nebulous' speed was taken from 100x to half of Light speed, this hypothetical Cell that is 6x faster (600x) Cell would still be 3 times faster because it would have taken Nebulous to .005 of his max speed if Cell was under that same influence he would only drop to 3x faster because it has a set amount of force it applies.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Again, that's not how gravity works, sure that's how force works, but it's not numerical, rather exponential, it would still effect Cell greatly, the fastest he'd be would be as fast as the speed of light.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Gravity has an acceleration of -9.8 m/s2 on Earth, the speed of light is 3x10^8 m/s if base Cell is 100x that it puts him at 3x10^10 and this hypothetical Cell is 6x that so 1.8x10^11 so if the disks are based on the gravity on Earth then it would take 992.138 minutes (55328.33351909309 seconds) to bring Cell down to less than light speed, that gives Cell more than enough time to speed blitz Lion Man.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell @Nemian, I am only posting this so I don't lose this page and have to find it again.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell I can't believe you fucking deleted all of that just because you couldn't discredit it. What the fuck Nemian, that is 1 hours worth of an argument that you just deleted because you don't like to read, that is cheating and I'm not rewriting all of that a second time, it took me at least 10 calculations and research to come up with that, you just abused your power, you don't deserve it.
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Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell @Galactus, Nemian deleted all of my comments because he couldn't prove me wrong in this debate.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Because I don't want to read a mountain of your comments! I've already told you in the past to send me ONE LONG COMMENT at a time, besides, you're calculations were pretty easy, and besides, you honestly could do it again in 20 minutes MAX, it was your fault that happened, because you didn't have any damn patience for me to get back, that's on you, just do me a favour, stop getting off on a tangent, and rewrite the comments as one large one instead of spamming.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell You never told me you wanted one big paragraph, you might have said that to someone else but not me and like you have said in the past facts don't care about your feelings, If you don't want to read each individual comment that is a personal issue, and earlier you said to IMABATMAN42 that you were using Piccolo before his training for the saiyans you literally proved all of your statements are flawed and your argument holds no truth. That is like if I used Lion Man when he was a baby.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I have made it public that I don't want 300 comments at a time, it's turn taking that I want, so it's structured, it's OCD, so you need to respect that, are you senile too? I explained Pre Saiya Saga piccolo because YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THE MOON FEAT, and we weren't debating Lionman VS Piccolo, we were debating Lionman VS Cell, so I don't have any idea why you even brought him up in the first place, don't put the monkey on my back, that's your fault, also, crying to Galactus? How petty.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Also, maybe when I'm in a heated argument with Sir Spidey, it wasn't the best idea TO SPAM ME WITH COMMENTS!? Did you EVER THINK OF THAT! FOR FUCKS SAKE! Dude, THINK! Before you do things, you're doing it on purpose to set me off like dynamite because you want me to explode when I'm already on edge!
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Other than now I am never on at the same time as you so I would never have known that, and why don't you cater to everyone else's needs, because I hate when someone takes too long to respond just like how you hate it being unorganized. You must not know how debates work do you? I brought up Piccolo so I could scale his speed to everyone else. If Piccolo's attack reached the moon in 2 seconds and Lion Man and it took Lion Man 10 seconds to jump to the moon then Piccolo's attack was faster, If someone like Cell is unfathomably faster than by default Cell would be unfathomably faster than Lion Man and Speed Blitz.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Yes! Piccolo's attacks were faster than Lionman, but Piccolo HIMSELF isn't faster than his attacks, Raditz wasn't even 1/10th the speed of light, due to only moving half a meter by the time the Special Beam canon moved 5 meters, but the canon could have moved MUCH further than that, could be 10 - 20 meters, but I'm going to be generous and say it was 5.
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I also stated that with the gravity disks, Cell would find it extremely harder to move, he'd slow down considerably, maybe all the way down to half the speed of light, to the speed of light, and that wouldn't be enough to defeat Lionman, because Lionman has far more skill, and he would know what Cell is going to do, before he does it, identify pressure points, how effective each attack would be, etc, he'd have Cell figured out and he's more powerful than him, he could also potentially kill him with the Lion Roar, as that would rip apart all his atoms and molecules.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell You said maybe meaning you don't know by exactly how much it would slow him down meaning it is speculation and can't really be used in an argument because there is no way to 100% prove it would slow down cell that much and if it was by half that is still much faster than light, so the disks don't have an effect on this battle. And for the Raditz feat you are neglecting the fact that Goku was holding Raditz in place so Raditz would not be able to react at full speed, yes he broke free but the attack was fired before hand.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman For retrospective, those disks would render Frieza completely unable to move, they'd render Cell, someone who is dozens of times stronger than Frieza, only half the speed of light, not half of his own speed, that's still way faster than light, it would render him half the speed of light, because if they can completely half star level opponents, Cell is going to be affected in some fashion as well.
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Raditz broke free during the first severely slowed down seconds, from when he broke free to when he moved, the beam travelled bare minimum 5 meters.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman You brought up Piccolo being able to be able to project his beam to the moon in two seconds, only problem with that is he isn't as fast as his blasts, that's why in Dragon Ball you're forced to block oncoming blast attacks, because you don't have enough time to move to the side, that can't be counted as travel speed.
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Now, NOW NOW NOW! Perfect Cell had the speed comparable to SSJ2 Gohan, who was twice as powerful as SSJ Goku in the cell saga, who was roughly the speed of light in his base form, let's scale that to say a quarter of the SSJ form when he fought Frieza, as a Super Saiyan he's 50 times ftl and 100 as a SSJ2, but Cell is 100 times faster than Lionman, the problem with that being, Lionman is under possession of Anti Gravity disks, did you forget about those? They have been known to render star level opponents unable to move, and beings dozens of times stronger than that can barely move either, a solar system buster like Cell would be able to move, but not comfortably, he'd still only be a couple times slower than light with those disks equipped to him, then he'd have to fight someone stronger than him, MUCH more skilled than him, and know everything he's about to do to him, also, the Lion Roar is 5 times stronger than the KameHameHa Gohan used against him, Cell would not survive that, especially with the gravity disks involved, Lionman stomps this fight, not to mention most Of Cell's attacks will be cushioned by Lionman's armour, Cell's only chance is the KameHameHa, and Lionman beats the crap out of him while he's charging it up, so that's out, or he could just counter it with the Lion Roar.
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IMABATMAN42
IMABATMAN42 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
1 year member
not voted Uh, don't mean to interject but Piccolo is at least comparable to his blast because Raditz dodged it, and Piccolo had the upper hand against the Cybamen, which are stated to be even with Raditz. (Again don't mean to interject just pointing out something, continue your debate)
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I'm talking pre-training for the Saiyans Piccolo, Raditz wasn't even 1/10th the speed of light when he dodged The Special Beam Canon, because that was like 5 meters away and he only had to move about half a meter.
IMABATMAN42
IMABATMAN42 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
1 year member
not voted Why are you using Pre-Saiyan Saga Piccolo, broseph he wasn't even planetary, lol. Raditz has to be very fast though, if Piccolo's blast reached the moon in 2 seconds, then it has to have very good acceleration, so let's say it was moving at half speed when Raditz dodged it, I'm too tired to even try and do the calculations, but that's gotta be pretty fast.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I just did the calculations for you, the beam was lightspeed, it was moving 5 meters, Raditz moved half a meter, thus making Raditz 1/10th the speed of light, he brought up the moon feat for some reason instead of using Cell saga feats or scaling those early feats to now with multipliers/
IMABATMAN42
IMABATMAN42 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
1 year member
not voted Like I said, I'm tired, XD. Raditz dodged it with considerable ease though, I mean yeah, he was shitting himself at the thought of getting hit with the beam, meaning he has lower than small planetary levels of durability. Anyway, wasn't Raditz preoccupied with Goku, iirc I think Goku had his tail, so he didn't move immediately when the beam was fired, so he may be faster than that? I dunno, I think it's safe to say that Post-Saiyan Saga Piccolo is anywhere from 1/10 the speed of light, to the speed of light. I really need to watch the episode again before I debate, but SLEEP.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Raditz didn't escape it with ease, he BARELY escaped the beam, Piccolo in the Vegeta fight I'd say has maybe 1/7th - 1/5th the speed of light.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell And let's completely ignore Goku's training after the Buu saga and that ssj3 is still 900x FTL, double that for super saiyan god and you have 1800x FTL he absorbs a portion into his base, so 900x again with my lowballs, x50 for ssj and it's 4500x FTL x2 for ssj 2 and 9000x FTL another 4x for super saiyan 3 and it's 36000x FTL then x2 for ssg and you have 72000x FTL which can speed blitz Primal 4 which is only 50000x FTL, another 50x for blue and you get 3600000x FTL which can speed blitz Pyro Lion who is only 1000000x FTL, x30 for kiao ken because that is what Goku used against Jiren during his spirit bomb attack which is 108000000x FTL. And let's low ball some more and say Jiren was at 50%, his max power is twice that so full power Jiren (lowballed) is 216000000x FTL, which makes him 216x faster than Pyro Lion, so he get's speed blitz by Jiren.
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Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell @ManOfPower what do you think please read everything first.
ManofPower
ManofPower 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
1 year member
Team Cell Even though I know almost nothing Bout Dragon ball i know these characters are powerful enough to take on Lion Man
And I read it and I agree with every thingy you said
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I'm deleting all your comments and you're going to rewrite them in one comment.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman I've told you in the past I don't like to come back to 300 comments, one at a time and I'll get back to you.
DarkProdigy
DarkProdigy 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Team Cell Who was spamming? @TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Soul posted like 9 comments while I was dealing with Spidey, pretty cheap.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell What do you mean delete all my comments? That's cheap, and I was busy doing other stuff and didn't have time to write one big ass comment, They are all the same continued idea just spaced into bite sized segments, because 95% of people don't like to read big blocks of text for 1, for 2 after posting one comment I realized something I had forgotten so added another comment, that is not spamming, spamming is repeating the same thing over, and over, each of these were different.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman If you remember something later on, wait for me to respond, also, if you're in a debate, get your facts together before you start, not think of things as you go, that's completely unorganised, you're not debating against anyone else, you're debating against me, so you will submit one long comment at a time, you didn't have time to write one long comment? Bullshit you would have written the same amount of text and in a shorter amount of time if you wrote one comment.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Lionman runs the gauntlet again in a mroe fair battle.
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Lionman Standard VS Cell
Lionman Primal 1 VS Majin Buu
Lionman Primal 2 VS Broly SSJ4
Lionman Primal 3 VS Hirudegarn
Lionman Primal 4 VS Janemba
Pyro Lion VS Jiren
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Soul, come out of your hiding place and let's do this.
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TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Come on Soul.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Alright, what are the feats of base Lionman, how powerful is he.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Cell is stated Solar System level in his final form, post resurrection, how bout' base Lion
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman 3 - 10 times solar system level, he also has expertise in over a dozen martial arts including Raion No Micchi, his own, which is far superior to real-life martial arts such as Kung Fu.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Alright, if it is alright with you since Cell is only Solar system level let's assume this is a resurrected Cell and he get's another Zenkai boost. The original one was at least a 5x multipler because he went from Gohan ssj2 stomping him to fighting on par and ssj2 is 4 times base ssj, so let's say at least 4x so now they are both 3-5x solar system level. Cell's regenerative cells make it so he can recover from any slight injuries, so the only way to kill him is complete disintegration, does Lionman have any attacks to could potentially completely disintegrate Cell?
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Sorry we will use the 5x multiplier, so now they are both 5-10x solar system.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell Homie, I'm trippin 3-5x.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman SSJ2 is only 2x SSJ1
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell My bad I was thinking ssj3, but regardless Cell's Zenkai was a bigger multiplier than ssj2 is, so it's safe to say it was around a 3-4x boost.
Soulcollecter57
Soulcollecter57 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
3 year member
Team Cell And Perfect Cell fought on par with ssj Goku, and ssj teen Gohan is relative to ssj Goku (he just lacked fighting experience) so saying Cell's zenkai is a 4x multiplier is not that far fetched.
TheNemianLion
TheNemianLion 1 y 3 mo 16 d
Lionman vs Team Cell
2 year member
Lionman Okay, that's 4 times solar system level, 3 - 10 solar system level from Lionman is very vague, let's just assume it's 6x solar and assume he's 50% more powerful than most Zenkai Cell, even though Cell was only Solar System level after he resurrected, that's when he threatened to destroy the solar system, but I'll let you have that he is a Solar System buster 4 times over to throw you a bone, otherwise Lionman stomps him so bad it's not fair.

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10earthquakes
Team Cell wins!
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Team Cell wins!
DarkProdigy
Team Cell wins!
windshadow
Team Cell wins!
Soulcollecter57
Team Cell wins!
ManofPower
Team Cell wins!
TheNemianLion
Lionman wins!