Superman, Martian Manhunter, Icon, Capt. Marvel/Billy Batson, Black Adam, Supergirl, Power Girl, Mary Marvel, Zod, Ultraman, Superwoman, Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Zarda, Hyperion, Gladiator, Xenith, Supreme, Suprema, Hercules... the list goes on and on.
Thanos actively avoids brawling the Hulk because he knows he's stronger.
Darkseid can and has been overpowered by heroes weaker than Hulk.
Spawn isn't even in the same weight class.
Knull didn't really show any strength feats higher than Hulk.
Gorr also has barely any strength feats to match Hulk.
Infinite characters one-shot this wanked fodder
Nonsense words said by fanboys.
"Hulk is truly one of the most difficult characters to kill ever created"
"Hulk has infinite strength"
"The Beyonder Said So"
nothing they say is a fallacy, right?
This is more STRONGER
not more POWERFUL
it does not say who can BEAT the Hulk
But I think TOAA is STRONGER than the Hulk
Saitama has no limits like the Hulk so it's tied
Hulk is not unbeatable. To say he literally has infinite strength and therefore can't lose is just a no limits fallacy. I could say the same for Superman absorbing sunlight.
Give me the exact quote or location of where I said that. I could more easily say your a Hulk hater because you never want to hear anything good about him. Because defending anyone suddenly makes you a fanboy.
"Exactly. He was made to be unbeatable. You don't beat the Hulk you appease him." That sound familiar?
Not true, i've voted for him numerous times. But when you just load your arguments with unsubstantiated claims, i have a problem.
I meant that strength wise. However you blew it out of proportion. In the same sentence I gave a way to beat him.
I've voted many times in favour of people I openly dislike. Still dislike them.
I've proven it every time. Not sure what your problem is.
I've posted many explanations before but when instead of posting the same essay over and over I just summarise it. You do know when I first joined this site I wasn't a fan of the Hulk. It was after I had my mind changed on him that I say this. You need an open mind instead of just shutting him down because he's Hulk. It makes you look like a hater
I don't feel like digging through a bunch of comments to find your original argument. If you summarizing it is simply saying hulk gets stronger, that tells me that your explanations aren't much better. I do have an open mind, I listen to other people who talk about the Hulk, because they actually give reasons. I don't really care how you think it makes me look.
Actually it does because it's still the truth summarised. It doesn't look like you have an open mind because you shut down anything to do with the Hulk and accuse them of being fanboys. It's the fact that you don't care that makes you a hater.
That was once in a different discussion that he started. The difference is that you do this all the time. It's like you're just looking for ways to make people argue with you. Me not caring about your opinion doesn't make me a hater. I like Hulk as a character. I still do. I can say that you have diminished my liking of the character some because of your arguments. Doesn't make me a Hulk hater though. I still vote for him in some battles.
You said I was the only one you do this to which was clearly wrong. I actually don't do it all the time if you look at all the Hulk vs battles. Even with the Flash I admitted you made a good point. The arguing part made no sense. I said your a hater because you never really want to look at the arguments for Hulk and instead use the old "fanboy" comeback.
Superman has one of the most toxic fans in fiction. I still think he's the greatest. If you didn't care what I had to say then I shouldn't have diminished your interest in Hulk. If it gets diminished that easily then maybe you didn't like him as much as you say you do. I don't care if you hate Hulk, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
When did you admit i made a good point? Do you mean on GL vs Flash? It's mainly your arguments i have a problem with, not the character itself. I think there are worse fanbases, like Dbz Sonic and Batman fans. Despite what you say, i like the Hulk. That scene at the beginning of the Avengers movie when he says "That's my secret, i'm always angry" was boss. That's my favorite part of that movie. Hulk is cool, don't hate him
Hulk vs Flash. I don't want to repeat the whole conversation so look under @HeroicSacrifices comment. I'd say I have a problem with your arguments against Hulk but I barely see any. All I remember are anti-feats. You never want to have a proper debate on it.
Trust me, if you go on Quora they'll tell you Superman can solo everyone in Marvel except TOAA and TOBA. I've even had someone tell me it's bad writing if Superman ever loses.
My favourite part of the MCU was Thanos vs Hulk. He wrecks Hulk but it was still cool to see.
Doomsday clock #12 shows that without Superman the metaverse wouldn't exist since everything in DC builds up arround the story/concept of Superman which doctor Manhattan couldn't erase, DM>>> >>> >>> Hulk
I'm trying to find a scan that will work here but how have you not seen that famous panel what says how Hulk will beat Doomsday then die saving them? Your literally denying exactly what DC said
@EmptyHand Um... that's not what that scan implies. I mean, you got the overall gist of it correct, but that has nothing to do with physical strength. Doctor Manhattan could have killed Superman and the entire metaverse but the problem was that if every Superman across reality was killed, a new Superman would just be created because the literal embodiment of Superman was to inspire hope into people. That doesn't necessarily make him an Endless of something but it just proves that Superman is an ideal and will exist forever. His physical body can still be overpowered or killed. They're two entirely different things.
Namor did so underwater but has able been beaten there since.
The Thing did so against a mind controlled Hulk. Ben Grimm and Stan Lee have confirmed Hulk is stronger.
Wolverine stunned him by surprise.
Iron Man was PIS.
Literally every hero in comics has been beaten. Anti-feats can be named of pretty much everyone. But oh wait, if it's the Hulk we must only look at anti-feats right?
Those two things are unrelated. I'm saying that against any character in Marvel who is even close to him in power, you always bring up his anti-feats and vulnerabilities.
I've called Hulk the strongest and Superman the greatest so yes they are related. What are you on about? If he loses I give the reasons for it. You literally did the exact thing to Hulk. TBH I see you massively overrate Superman every time. I've never seen you vote against him.
You call Superman the greatest yet you literally never give him a chance against equal beings. I have certainly voted against Superman. Go check Superman vs Flash, for instance.
Never give him a chance! I literally vote in favour of him when unsure. Thor's a good example where I had my mind changed because I had an open mind. Your making assumptions at this point
Yeah i'm calling BS on that. It seems highly unlikely based on what i've seen that you would vote Supes when unsure. Idk why you're bringing Thor up, since you've voted for Thor on that page.
Go to the Thor vs Superman page. Scroll down and you'll see my unedited comment where I literally ask people to explain who wins. You continue to doubt me for some reason
Uh... based off of pure strength alone, I think Hulk has the better feats. Now, if it's power *and outliers*, then Superman definitely has the higher showings.
Until Hulk pushes against a planet larger than earth being powered by the big bang or throws an entire solar system out of orbit, Superman is stronger.
Hulk smashed a meteorite twice the size of earth. He destroyed the dark dimension and broke the time barrier. Now I'm sure you're going to respond with some outliers by Superman but the truth of the matter is Hulk has always shown he's strong enough. He will always get stronger.
This is our debate in a nutshell. I tell you Hulk is stronger, you deny it for some reason and when I explain how you just ignore it and assume I've one sentence the whole time. If you don't want to read then fine but don't pretend I don't actually explain
The thing is, you never explain how. You just repeat that he gets stronger. You have yet to provide a single scan of Hulk's so called "infinite" strength, or unbeatableness. And now that i'm putting forth my argument, you start doing personal stuff.
Because you've never asked are actually tried to debate it. You just shut me down and use the basic "you must be a fanboy" argument". Never seen you provide any argumentation of your own.
There are other examples but this is one that comes to mind.
That's just Beyonder saying hulk has infinite power, hulk doesn't at all scale to the beyonder, their are many statements for Superman also having incomprehensible power such as darkseid saying Superman his power is beyond his comprehension
Superman doesn't need to get stronger since he always holds back against beings who scale beyond the hulk, and if you're gonna bring up Doomsday clock if it bring marvel up then i might as well bring this up, superman is always as strong as hulks peak
@Empty why are u showing uncanon crossover fight lmfao
u always when someone shows you the scan when the beyonder you tell him are u scaling the hulk to the beyonder , No that not he mean , He JUST SHOWING you that he have infinity power where he did scale him to the beyonder ?
I don't, im concerned because of your superman downplay, im bringing it up because you're using god damn doomsday clock as your evidence which doesn't have the rights towards hulk. so its not canon, so i did the same thing, superman always has infinite strength and infinite existence
I don't downplay Superman I just admit when he loses. The fact that DC would go against their own character means they must really believe it. That comic was canon. The crossover wasn't. Superman's strength is more consistently finite.
He's shown feats of infinite strength before so idk what you mean, and they don't believe it and i could just call Death of the author, and the comic was canon to superman yes except that one bit
And they don't have the rights to say hulk beats their character since hulk isn't their character, that one bit isn't canon for that fact, if you wanna take those statements then I will again bring this scan up
now give the scan of Hulk beating them both
I agree. Being stronger doesn't mean a win but the question here is "who is stronger than the Incredible Hulk".
There was literally no reason to repeat the same scan. DC doesn't have to own Hulk to say who wins. They just can't publish him in their comics
if we go by crossovers then both have beaten each other but statements that aren't canon and showings in crossovers which aren't canon should not be brought into these debates
I would do some more research if i was you. That scan you showed was photoshopped by a Hulk fan who didn't like the outcome. He just edited the actual outcome:
@Mr_Incognito@EmptyHand Again you got it wrong. That wasn't photoshopped that was made by the actual writers. They wrote 2 endings with Superman winning and another with Hulk winning. They published Superman's win because he won the vote. Had you done the research you'd know.
@EmptyHand Doomsday Clock is canon. I didn't downvote you
"Hulk strongest one there is." That's his tagline. And the way he's been created/written, it's true...as long as he gets angry enough. His strength is only limited by how angry he can get. The angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. So there really is no limit to his strength. In World War Hulk, he, and I quote, "becomes so enraged that his footsteps begin to destroy the Earth." I'd say that makes him stronger than Superman or anyone else at that point. He might not start out stronger than some at times, but he can certainly get there. I'd say the easiest way to defeat him is without a physical fight. Magic/mystical arts, calming him down, scientifically (reducing/eliminating his gamma energy), etc. And if there is a fight, you'd have to hit/beat him without making him angrier in doing so, if that makes sense or is even possible. Seems to be the way some stories are written though, so... whatever.
Bro I don't mess around, you've just been reported to the administrator and the vise administrator, of this website.
I tried to tell you. "Oh ya" and how old are you.?
Thanos
Uranos
Weapon H
Thor, Silver Surfer, Thanos
2.Superboy-prime
3. Trigon
4. old king thor
gorr the god butcher
Darkseid can and has been overpowered by heroes weaker than Hulk.
Spawn isn't even in the same weight class.
Knull didn't really show any strength feats higher than Hulk.
Gorr also has barely any strength feats to match Hulk.
Nonsense words said by fanboys.
"Hulk is truly one of the most difficult characters to kill ever created"
"Hulk has infinite strength"
"The Beyonder Said So"
nothing they say is a fallacy, right?
not more POWERFUL
it does not say who can BEAT the Hulk
But I think TOAA is STRONGER than the Hulk
Saitama has no limits like the Hulk so it's tied
Not true, i've voted for him numerous times. But when you just load your arguments with unsubstantiated claims, i have a problem.
I've voted many times in favour of people I openly dislike. Still dislike them.
I've proven it every time. Not sure what your problem is.
Superman has one of the most toxic fans in fiction. I still think he's the greatest. If you didn't care what I had to say then I shouldn't have diminished your interest in Hulk. If it gets diminished that easily then maybe you didn't like him as much as you say you do. I don't care if you hate Hulk, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Trust me, if you go on Quora they'll tell you Superman can solo everyone in Marvel except TOAA and TOBA. I've even had someone tell me it's bad writing if Superman ever loses.
My favourite part of the MCU was Thanos vs Hulk. He wrecks Hulk but it was still cool to see.
The Thing did so against a mind controlled Hulk. Ben Grimm and Stan Lee have confirmed Hulk is stronger.
Wolverine stunned him by surprise.
Iron Man was PIS.
Literally every hero in comics has been beaten. Anti-feats can be named of pretty much everyone. But oh wait, if it's the Hulk we must only look at anti-feats right?
There are other examples but this is one that comes to mind.
u always when someone shows you the scan when the beyonder you tell him are u scaling the hulk to the beyonder , No that not he mean , He JUST SHOWING you that he have infinity power where he did scale him to the beyonder ?
now give the scan of Hulk beating them both
There was literally no reason to repeat the same scan. DC doesn't have to own Hulk to say who wins. They just can't publish him in their comics
And this was one of the weakest versions of Hulk
@tyrannus so my crossover ain't canon but all of your crossover stuff is? Makes sense
@EmptyHand Doomsday Clock is canon. I didn't downvote you
Thanos
Superman
doomsday
Sups is stronger, 1000 times faster, more smart, and durable, also a better fighter.
Sups is stronger, 1000 times faster, more smart, and durable, also a better fighter.
prove ur scans
I tried to tell you. "Oh ya" and how old are you.?
All of these are equal in strength to Hulk.
1. Superman
2. Darkseid
3. Doomsday
4. Martian manhunter
5. Black adam
Superboy prime
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