Who can defeat The Flash (Barry Allen)
Created by TheImaginator, 8 mo 22 d ago.
Anyone at or below Spectre level.
Let's see...
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Created by TheImaginator, 8 mo 22 d ago.
Anyone at or below Spectre level.
Let's see...
Phoenix Namor
Phantom stranger
Superman
Silver surfer
Superboy prime
Adam warlock (magus)
Classic Dr Strange
Rune King Thor
Living Tribunal
Anti-Monitor
Zom (Not Zoom, Zom the Doctor Strange enemy)
Umar
Infinity Gauntlet
Heart of the Universe
Mar Novu aka Monitor
Zarathos
Ghost Rider
Odin
Zeus
Black Adam
Zatanna
World War Hulk
World Breaker Hulk
Space Punisher Hulk
Old King Thor
Gorr the God Butcher
Silver Surfer
The Runner
and More, plenty more
By the way, Deathstroke is above peak human.
@MrIncognito: If Slade is really as superhuman as you say (he's not, he's just a low end superhuman like Captain America or Wolverine) then how was Cass able to outmuscle him? Ask @Lord for the scan. I wasn't even being serious there. You mean the ones I've successfully slaughtered off this planet, scratch that, out of the solar system? Name me something I haven't been able to rip apart. I didn't just say they were PIS, I also acknowledge that Thor holds back which you denied so if you want to say Thor was going all out in those examples then A: prove he was and B: explain why an actual god would even try to beat someone like Daredevil or Captain America! I've already told you that so either get out of your denial or actually prove me wrong. Why is it PIS only when it's your favorite character that loses but when it's Thor it's just fine? That's hypocrisy in of its self.
Slade's done it to him again
@TheImaginator: "he twists the sword to make sure he stays down"
Bloodlusted? Nobody who isn't multiversal+.
He healed up back to normal in about 3 panels after having his skin and muscle burnt off.
How does having skin and muscle burnt off compare to total molecular disintegration? That's a big and unsupported leap
Regarding the second part, I think it's because whenever I do vote Superman I don't really comment or when I do no one cares but when I don't it becomes controversial.
1) Thor (All comics versions except unworthy)
2) Hulk (All comics versions except professor Hulk)
3) Silver Surfer (All comics versions)
4) Sentry (All comics versions)
5) Scarlet Witch (All comics versions)
6) Ghost Rider (All comics versions)
7) Doctor Strange (All comics versions)
8) Thanos (All comics versions)
9) Odin (All comics versions)
10) Franklin Richards (All comics versions?)
https://screenrant.com/flash-faster-barry-allen-wally-west-comic/
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/how-the-flash-caught-godspeed-1.jpg
Unlikely
Unlikely
No
Definitely not
Unlikely
Unlikely
No (Barry is one of the most morally upstanding characters, the penance stare would do little)
Doubtful
Maybe
No
Unlikely
Maybe
Maybe
No
Maybe
Possibly
Possibly
Maybe
2) That was a one time feat.
Plus... want to know something that could rival or even beat the COIE version of the Anti-Monitor? It's called the Ultimate Nullifier.
Before they would even have a chance to warp reality, they would already be speedblitzed and destroyed
Some of them are not getting blitzed and even if they do, Flash isn't hurting Trigon or Galactus. They're abstract beings, beyond even skyfathers who by themselves, would absolutely destroy Flash. You can even make a good argument that someone like Silver Surfer or Superman wouldn't get blitzed. They obviously aren't as fast as Flash but they're also not slow enough to get blitzed, but even if they do, they're durable enough to take it. Meanwhile, characters like Doctor Strange have auto shields and he has a plethora of hax to help him out.
Before Strange's shields would have time to kick in, he'd already be dead. Same thing with Surfer and Superman. Galactus and Trigon are immensely powerful, but if Flash can destroy the anti monitor then he can destroy them.
Btw, I didn't bring this up before, but it wasn't Barry who broke through Anti-Monitor's armor. It was Wally. Even then, Anti-Monitor was weakened from being previously weakened after being attacked by several other heroes. Wally also didn't actually BEAT the Anti-Monitor. He only broke his armor which could still be considered an outlier.
Death has straight-up said Doctor Strange's soul is hard to claim and he has kept up in combat with fast people before. His shields are also called "auto-shields" for a reason. He has several ways of protecting himself at all times from different attacks, whether it's using force-fields, higher dimensional magic, or gaining protection through his mystical artifacts. As for Superman and Silver Surfer... I can see Flash winning, but he isn't one-shotting them. They both have feats rivaling Flash (maybe not faster than Flash but fast enough) and they're more than durable enough to take hits from Flash.
Barry scales to Wally so that's why I count it.
I agree with most of your last points but I still think before Strange would even have time to cast a spell, Flash could have already hit him a million times.
Wally has been confirmed to be faster. By how much is questionable, especially in Rebirth, but regardless of that, it was a weakened Anti-Monitor and Wally only broke his armor.
He doesn't need to cast a spell if he's automatically protected by different forces at play. Even if Doctor Strange does get blitzed due to being a glass cannon (which he really shouldn't be since he has several speed and durability feats), the same won't apply to Thor, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Thanos, or Darkseid let alone people like Galactus or Trigon.
Yes, but Barry scales to him due to them running at equal speeds numerous times and having the same abilities. Anti monitor wasn't that weakened, but even if he was he is still universal and above Galactus and Trigon. Also, yes, it was Wally (who Barry scales to) who broke his armor. Anti monitor is basically just pure energy behind the armor, so his armor is what's taking all of the hits. Flash was able to destroy that, Universal feat.
All of the characters you've listed wouldn't have a chance of landing a hit on Barry. The only characters who MIGHT be able to get in a hit or two are Superman and Silver Surfer, but if Flash is going all out that is very minuscule.
Okay, let's say that he does. Anti-Monitor had just fought off several other heroes and Superman or Supergirl (forgot who it was) blasted a hole through his armor which would have more than likely hurt the integrity of the armor, or at the very least, gave it a weaker spot. That's when Flash ran in and destroyed his armor. Btw, just to clarify, Galactus and Trigon scale WAY higher than just universal. Even a moderately fed Galactus would be multiversal+ via scaling off of Odin and Trigon has accomplished feats such as taking over and destroying different realms and universes as well as being somewhat relative to the Phantom Stranger.
AoE attacks can do the job for you. Silver Surfer has fate hax. Thanos and Darkseid have death manipulation. Galactus has basically whatever he needs to have. For one, I'm just getting this out of the way so I don't have to talk about it... Flash isn't beating abstract tier characters and with the amount of bulls**t some skyfathers have, he's not beating Odin at his prime.
Shazam has been stated to have unlimited speed before meaning he can be as fast as he wants. I can't remember the same being said about Black Adam but we can assume he's probably similar.
- Superman (6/10 times)
- Thor (5/10 times... not sure about this one)
- Wonder Woman (5 - 6/10 times... also not sure about this one)
- Hulk (3 - 4/10 times)
- Silver Surfer (9/10 times)
- Thanos (10/10 times)
- Darkseid (10/10 times)
- Odin (10/10 times)
- Doctor Strange (9/10 times)
- Trigon (10/10 times)
- Larfleeze (10/10 times)
- Dormammu (10/10 times)
- Ghost Rider (9/10 times)
- Galactus (10/10 times)