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Mh
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The One From Beyond Lol stupid racing🤣🤣🤣
LadyGaladriel1212
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Yeah I agree it is BS.
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TOBA
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If you ask me beyonder should be all-powerful for Eru I don't know.
MoNsTeR
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finally this manga getting anime adaptation
Aleazlllll
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Melkor divine spawn maybe
base spawn no chances
remy94
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Darkseid Luke is tier 7 which is multiversal, as far as I know starwars doesn't have a multiverse, anyone wanna enlighten me?
MoNsTeR
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i said already he's low outerversal max
RatnikNaSjeveru2005
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Bruh he is omnipotent, Tolkien said it himself
LadyGaladriel1212
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Im not trying to be a Karen or anything lol but he needs at least tier 10, well see what monster thinks.
Aleazlllll
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Reinhard Heydrich (Dies Irae) (Masadaverse) easy win for the golden beast
Tigerking2020
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I recommend bringing it up to @Monster as well to see what he thinks, I can't edit or unlock because it's locked for me.
LadyGaladriel1212
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because he is omnipotent, he is above his own narrative meaning his is on tier with his own author like the (TOAA) he be at LEAST tier 10. Tolkien implied Eru was a bigger writing than himself.
remy94
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Darkseid Godstomp!!!
Tigerking2020
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How is he Tier 10?
LadyGaladriel1212
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im not going to bitch about it but should be tier 10 not tier nine @Mandoes9452 was wrong, he should at least be tier ten nigh omnipotent
Tigerking2020
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@Mandos9452 said he was Tier 9(Outer) so I think that would be enough for now.
LadyGaladriel1212
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@Tigerking2020
LadyGaladriel1212
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I really dont care that he is not omnipotent because It is debatable whether he is or not but He should at least be tier 10 nigh omnipotent.
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Mandos9452
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Team Sauron Even a of couple Nazgul could do this easily.
Mandos9452
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true
Aleazlllll
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Thanos (Infinity Gauntlet) thanos snaps
Tigerking2020
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Oh you already did it nevermind.
Tigerking2020
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^^Good point, lets pretty much do our research. OK then I'll add omnipresent.
Mandos9452
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I would argue that even the Ainur's true forms have infinite speed. Its pretty self-explanatory that he is at the bare minimum omnipresence.
MoNsTeR
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if we trust this website then every herald character should be tier 5 solar system level. 😂
Tigerking2020
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If you still want me to add it then I will.
MoNsTeR
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vsbattle is wrong
Tigerking2020
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How is he omnipresent, his speed immeasurable last I looked.
MoNsTeR
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add omnipresence
MoNsTeR
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Team Superman (Sun-dipped) obviously more pissed versions
Tigerking2020
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@MoNsTeR could you re-unlock, there's an error I made.
remy94
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Team Superman (Sun-dipped) Who wins?
remy94
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Yeah he's a little out of the ballpark
yes
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Lucifer
remy94
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Who's that?
shaneherald
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Monarch mad celestail has nowhere near as good feats as anti-monitor , has he destroyed the multiverse?
shaneherald
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Team Loki @BatmanWithPreparation Vegeta resisted telepathy of solar system level being in buu saga this Goku so much stronger and if you have watched early dragon ball they trained for high level telepathy
shaneherald
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Team Loki goku was shown immune to mind control in the buu saga ,
Aleazlllll
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The Living Tribunal galactus can solo
tlt is not needed at all
Aa
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Neutral Who will win?
Martin
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Neutral After finishing season 4 I do think Kylo would at least stalemate El, or even beat her if fighting properly. Snoke's telekinesis is on par with Vecna's , given how easily he pushed away Rey only with a slight move of a finger...so this is how I see it : Vecna > Snoke >= Kylo >=El. I'm only putting El on the last spot because she is still relatively young and inexperienced. If she keeps training and taming her powers, she would become a Darth Vader (power-wise) of her universe...no doubt.
DormammusEcho75
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Dormammu dormammu wins if you have contentions drop your discord tag
DormammusEcho75
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Dormammu no we can discuss it
DormammusEcho75
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him> gaea> nyx
DormammusEcho75
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both same character except this one is stronger
LadyGaladriel1212
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Seventh Sister & Darth Vader vader solos with ease
yes
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So my favorite character is definitely off limits
Galactus
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Fixed a bug that copied some of my social information.
Darks
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Team Lucifer Morningstar @Simin Hoi can't do anything?
2099
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@MoNsTeR Is not spidey above street level?
LadyGaladriel1212
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Jack-Jack (Incredibles) I dont think Boss Baby will stand a chance, lack of abilities will hit him hard.
Ezio
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@mtrindadc can you point to Bayek of Siwa in this image?
Pr
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Ainz Ooal Gown (Overlord) Ainz ROFLstomps
Alien_X
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Intangibility but the user phases through the ground to the core of the Earth because of lack of experience and is stuck there until someone saves them.
LadyGaladriel1212
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Scarlet Witch (MCU) Wanda stomps
LadyGaladriel1212
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Scarlet Witch (MCU) Super Stomp
LadyGaladriel1212
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Team Stormtrooper Palpatine solos
GO
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Rune King Thor Huuh because he's waay stronger than cas. I mean he is as Smart as the one above all and the presence. While cas is a ROBOT.
remy94
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If it's a problem of team mates being in active then maybe the other members should pick for them?
remy94
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We'll keep it under 1M power level
IamMoonKnight
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Don't know if i'll be active that much but if it's against like high-tier characters I don't think ill be good.
remy94
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Who wants to be on my team?
vcowles77
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Dormammu Not around the Mad Celestial the Anti-Monitor is not.
LadyGaladriel1212
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Scarlet Witch (MCU) I hate to say this but Galadriel has no way to beat her or damage her so I think Wanda
LadyGaladriel1212
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Scarlet Witch (MCU) Wanda stomps
mtrindadc
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Team Rev-9 Sauron and Morgoth (First Age) vs Ultron (MCU) Sentinel (EMCU) Rev-9 (terminator) T-3000 (terminator).
mtrindadc
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Ultron (MCU) Ultron vs Best Terminators
remy94
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Team Darkseid Agreed
em
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Team Darkseid Darkseid solos everyone on team thanos
2099
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Kratos (GoW) The real Godkiller wins
shaneherald
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Monarch Superman prime broke the source wall , and no monitor is the brother of the Anti-monitor and the Anti-monitor is beyond galactus, the monitor it around the same level
em
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Batman Batman could literally just snap and galactus is gone
em
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Superman No prep time and no extra items, so since Batman doesn’t usually carry kryptonite with him, Supes destroys him
Mandos9452
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i going to say this as nice as i can, your being Delusional its actually pretty embarrassing. your not even reading my comments. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE VALAR CREATING INFIDENTE UNIVERSES! and i agree, it does not make use outerversal even if they did or could. i explained why ERU is outerversal. You are twisting my words and ignoring my evidence. Stop replaying because you are only embarrassing yourself. Either way im not going to reply.
vcowles77
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Dormammu Beating some monitors does not mean you can reach to Galactus's level who is far powerful enough to defeat Dormammu and defeats tons of celestials and even go up against the Mad celestial himself but then resulting in a loss proving that The Mad celestial himself is 5x as strong as the Monitors
2099
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Comics --> Spectre
Animations --> Doctor strange supreme
Movies --> Scarlet witch
em
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Team Batman Thor can take out Supes but he can’t carry this team
em
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Batman Batman can easily think of a strategy to beat cap even without prep time
LadyGaladriel1212
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Melkor @vcowless77 for once I agree with you.
shaneherald
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Monarch @vcowles77
vcowles77
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Melkor Melkor can create and destroy universes, but godzilla definitely cannot reach universal feats, he is at best planet to solar system feats.
LadyGaladriel1212
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Melkor Why don't you tell that to everyone than because according to you everyone exaggerates LOTR you troll @mtrindadc
vcowles77
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Your logic is wrong. The valar who created infinite multiverses does not makes you outerversal it makes you scale to Multiversal+. There is a massive difference between outversal scalings to Mutliversal+ scalings. Here is how this works 2-C is low multiversal 2-B is multiversal to multiversal+ 2A is multiversal+ 1-C is considered complex multiversal 1-B is considered Hyperversal 1-A is considered Outerversal. 0 is boundless but again this tiering system you cannot have everyone reaching boundless (pure omnipotent) and instead would go to being outerversal or omniversal. But then again Eru does NOT reach anywhere near 1-B to tier 0. Eru is at best 2A to 1-C, so therefore being beyond as a whole does not make you actually omnipotent, instead there would be lack of feats (actual feats (real scans) again are more important, effective and useful to classify than (many statements of authors words).
vonKonigsberg
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Melkor I mean, he literally made Ancalagon, who could definitely take on Earth at mid difficulty at worst and Melkor is superior to Ancalagon.
shaneherald
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Monarch No again, monarch can absorb infinite energy and it was stated, and has better feats ,
Mandos9452
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@Vcowles77 I am not going to argue with you as i have done so already.
Outerverse is a term coined within this wiki to refer to any reality that transcends all concepts of dimensions. For a more in-depth analysis, outerversal realities are those whose nature is conceptually different from time and space (of any size and complexity), that is, they are completely transcendental in relation to physics. They can be described as a meta-abstraction (formless, intangible reality), which makes them completely non-physical in relation to any higher dimensional reality.

Taken From the Charecters Wiki. Nothing is mention about being able to destroy universes or create infinite amount universes(Which is something he could do anyway) Eru is beyond space, Realty, time, Dimensions, ETC. How can he not be Outerversal? The Valar Who created he Multiverse(Who CANNOT REACH HIM)? Not make Him outerversal? Its common sense not only because tolkein stated this, but if the Valar were able to communicate with eru whenever they wanted, they certainly would have taken that opportunity.
"Eru would be best Complex multiversal because there is no evidence that he can reach outerversal feats. You can be able to destroy infitinte amount of Universes an still not be Outersersal if you Exist within of the Universe. Eru exists outside of it as he cannot even fit into it
But you speak of Eru entering arda, which is surely another matter how could he do so, who is Infinity greater: would it not shatter Arda or indeed Ea?" Note when they if he entered it, meaning he is BEYOND it as a whole.
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vcowles77
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Because it is more reasonable to not put infinite power.
LadyGaladriel1212
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@vcowless77 no there is evidence and I have shown my multiple quotes to prove it to you in past discussions, you are just stubborn and always think you are right while in reality you are the one who is wrong. Eru is omnipotent or at least tier 10 Nigh omnipotent
shaneherald
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Monarch Superman prime was in beating up a weekend mxy and even used his heat vision to burn the superman symbol on May's face, then mxy left and stated if he was at full power he may not have one still and then monarch started fighting superman prime and they were evenly matched, this same superman broke the source wall and beat up some monitors
vcowles77
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Dormammu Again Galactus > Monarch so there is a difference there.
vcowles77
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not voted Show me a scan of that.
vcowles77
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I would put Eru at Tier 8 nigh omnipotent at best. But I am sure that every user has different opinions about the tier scalings.
vcowles77
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@Mandos9452 @Tigerking2020 is right. You cannot claim that someone is omnipotent just based on authors words. Eru would be best at complex multiversal because there is no eevidence (actual scan wise) that he can reach outerversal feats.
shaneherald
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Monarch No mxy stated even at full power he would have lost
Mandos9452
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Infinite (Sonic) its Almost a mismatch
LadyGaladriel1212
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I think he should be tier 8
vcowles77
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Dormammu I seriously doubt that Monarch is > than Mr. Mxy
vcowles77
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Dormammu Show me scans of monarch being > superman prime and mxy
shaneherald
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Monarch This is relevant since galactus absorbed dormmamu
shaneherald
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Monarch @vcowles77 no monarch is far stronger then galactus, monarch>superman prime>mxy
Mandos9452
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Well my point still stands. i respect their decision of adding "Omniversal" although imo it does not exist in fiction. And if it did Eru deserves it more than most from being on tier with his own Author...
LadyGaladriel1212
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Infinite (Sonic) I'm loving this outcome!
vcowles77
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Dormammu Would not be easy though.
Tigerking2020
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0 Means they fit none of the 10 tiers, So it doesn't count.
Mandos9452
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Technically there is 11 tiers now... 0-10.
Tigerking2020
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It wasn't my decision to add Tier 10, It was added in that way we can get to 10 Tiers.
Mandos9452
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"I agree with Tier 9, but disagree with Omnipotent. Omnipotent means all therefore he has to be Tier 10(Omniversal) to qualify".
Omniversal does not even exist in fiction to begin with. i would even go as far as saying they never should have put it in the database.
Anyway, Eru is no less omnipotent as any other supreme being. but i respect your opinion.
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Tigerking2020
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I agree with Tier 9, but disagree with Omnipotent. Omnipotent means all therefore he has to be Tier 10(Omniversal) to qualify.
Mandos9452
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The One-Above-All LOL
Mandos9452
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Eru iluvatar is outerversal as he exists completly outside his creation.
Quote "That should mean that he was put outside Time and Space, outside Ea altogether; but if that were so this would imply a direct intervention of Eru (with or without supplication of the Valar)"
Eru is considered the Main writer of the story even when compared to the Author
"The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'."
-Source. Tolkeins letter 192.

Eru Ilúvatar or The One is the single omniscient and omnipotent creator. He has been existing eternally in the Timeless halls and possesouss in his spirit which kindles existence from nothingness. He is Omnipotent.
Eru exists in a place where he Valar(The beings who created he Ea(The Universe/multiverse) Cannot even get to him
"by which the author, while remaining 'outside' and independent of his work, also 'indwells' in it, on its derivative plane, below that of his own being, as the source and guarantee of its being”
Is beyond time and concepts
"that should mean that he was put outside Time and Space, outside Ea altogether; but if that were so this would imply a direct intervention of Eru (with or without supplication of the Valar). It may however refer inaccurately * to the extrusion or flight of his spirit from Arda.”
His power is considered Boundless:
"none of us know, though the Valar may know, the future of Arda, or how long it is ordained to endure. But it will not endure for ever. It was made by Eru, but He is not in it. The One only has no limits. Arda, and Eä itself, must therefore be bounded.
Eru is Infinitely bigger than the multiverse
But you speak of Eru entering arda, which is surely another matter how could he do so, who is Infinity greater: would it not shatter Arda or indeed Ea?" Note when they if he entered it, meaning he is BEYOND it as a whole. Along with dwarfing it in Size!

Sources i used were Tolkiens letters, and some of the books. Including the Silmarinion.
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LadyGaladriel1212
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Eleven (Stranger Things) & Vecna (Stranger Things) That is fair, I respect both sides of the argument
Mandos9452
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Melkor Melkor only got beaten because he was weakened. Tulkas is really one of the weakest Valar as a whole.
mtrindadc
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Tulkas ???
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Martin
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Darth Vader & Luke Skywalker Depending on what version this Luke is...if it's ANH, ESB or even ROTJ, then El has a good chance of winning, but if it's Luke from beyond episode 6 then no. Vader on the other hand is more or less capable of defeating them both at once. Vecna might invade his mind, although Vader's mind is protected pretty high by the force, but Vecna is good in using his powers, so let's say he gets inside. That would be a fatal mistake. Messing with Vader's mind would invoke a great anger in him...and as we all know, the anger only makes him stronger. He wouldn't hesitate a second to snap them both in half. But Vecna and El have a slight chance to win if their teamwork is perfect and go for the kill immediately. That's my point of view
Simin
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Team Lucifer Morningstar It's pretty obvious that which team win
Doomsday
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Eru is Tier 9 Can someone please inform me exactly that he is indeed Outerversal?
Jakcj
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It's not out yet.
kawhigoat
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Scarlet Witch (MCU) In MoM Wanda is stronger, but now that the Darkhold is gone idk who wins
LadyGaladriel1212
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Team Luke Skywalker This is a epic battle!
remy94
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So there is a version of Shaggy that originated from memes but now WB has made him official, called "Ultra Instinct Shaggy" can he be added to the site?
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RatnikNaSjeveru2005
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This stays but Dababy got deleted
RatnikNaSjeveru2005
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It should be Jared Padalecki
mtrindadc
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Godzilla Earth @vonKonigsberg You can exaggerate and run away from what tolkien writes about melkor at will but in the end of the day the truth is that after melkor came to arda he automatically weakened... and morgoth's version of this fight is his already "in Arda".
mtrindadc
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not voted @LadyGaladriel1212 to "balance".
Galactus
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Season 2: Heatwave - Update
- I've added the profile social links as a reward for everyone. Might not be as amazing as an extra OC slot, but I think more people will benefit from it.
Galactus
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Galactus So, just like using 'fam', that was hip for a few weeks...