Surtur (MCU)@Taurus Dude. Hulk was nothing but a small inconvenience for Surtur and his punches did nothing to Surtur and Surtur flung hulk away like a toy. Odin beat Surtur with the eternal flame and at the point of ragnarok odin was more powerful than hulk, awakened Thor and slightly more powerful than Hela. Also speaking of Hela, awaked Thor couldn’t even beat hela. So In conclusion Surtur bodies all of them besides odin and no diffs hulk. Odin >Surtur> hela> awakened Thor> hulk
Neutral@Vers05 One question. Do you ever give proof as to why eru is so strong and beats all these people or do you just argue with people who don’t think eru wins ?
Waverider How can Thanos even harm Waverider ?
Waverider doesn't take damage, because he's an energy-based life form he can just absorb attacks / energy blasts:
he's almost impossible to defeat
Michael Demiurgos@Vers05 Only thing I gotta say is Michael is relative to Lucifer and Lucifer has never low diffed a holding back michael and Lucifer casually bodies khrone based on feats alone just like michael does.
Eru Iluvatar@Vers05
I agree and I'm still wondering why the concept is so difficult to understand for many that "any" supreme / omnipotent creator of a whole setting which never got retconned - naturally transcends absolutely all other spaces, times, dimensions and especially all other concepts which exist or which could have existed.
Chief of Heaven is the supreme being / (supposedly) omnipotent creator of the 07-Ghost Verse.
I've read the manga multiple times (also watched the anime) and I can say this about 07-Ghost's cosmology:
(1) Physical Plane of Reality (e.g. Earth) -> High Universe Level
(2) Physical Plane contains past states of the universe, allowing for (limited) Time Travel (e.g. with the power of Relikt) -> at least Timeline Level
(3) It also allows for parallel + infinitely repeating Time Looped realities in response to wishes which were granted by Verloren's agents (called Kors and Wars)
-> at least Multiverse Level
(4) Also contains multiple space-time transcendent (e.g. Afterlife-) realms (e.g. Heaven, Hell, the Land of Seele) -> at least Higher Dimensional Reality Level
(5) Contains a Supreme Creator called Chief of Heaven, who (by definition) transcends all other spaces, times, dimensions and even all other concepts -> at least Outerverse Level
Easy enough.
Tzeentch (Warhammer 40K) & Xerath (League Of Legends)@Vers05 Yes. I wasn't quite sure if they all had a specific designation as I did not recognize Hashut.
Habaki Sakagami (Masadaverse) this brings us to the conclusion that no matter how many higher dimensions are stacked,colorless taikyoku will always view the stacking of them as a canvas which lead us to 1A by being totally disconnected from everything below
to further add onto this,colorless taikyoku is beyond conceptual dualities
Taikyoku ― The genesis of everything within the Cosmic Dual Forces ― The way of Yin and Yang ― and the conceptual core point of the universe. A word which is common knowledge among the people of the Mikado, however its meaning is vague and unclear
this includes the concept of space in the same scan
そもそも空間の概念自体を意識したことがない。思えば有り得ない話である。
In all likelihood, I have never been aware of the concept of space itself. Thinking about it, it is impossible.
A hole in the mortal realm, as the saying goes. He is nothing but a singularity staring into space, unconnected to anything in this world.
to be disconnected means to view everything below as a canvas as said in Akuro vs Soujirou scene
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
A sense of disconnection, that the place where we are standing isn't the same to begin with
そして 、 絵に現実は害せなくても 、 現実が絵を破壊することは容易 に出来る 。
And even if the picture can't harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture
he views everything as a mere mandala that will never become true
「私にとって、万象はこの曼荼羅だ。景色は遠い。美しいが掛け離れている」
"To me, all of creation is just a mandala. The landscape is distant. It is beautiful, but ever so away.
Emperor Of Mankind (Warhammer 40K) I don't hate and fan any fictional universes or characters other than the Warhammer and Tolkien universes and I hate these universes because of you and other toxic fans. These are your words.
In reality, cutlery carries a Law called "cutting", fire has a Law called "burning". In the case of the Law that exists while underwater, something like pulmonary respiration cannot happen. Such assorted Laws are mere physics.
何も難しい話ではない。 前述した水中の法が太極と化したなら、全宇宙が水底に変わるというだけのこと。もしくは、宇宙 を砕く領域の法でなければ蒸発も凍結もしない水が誕生するだけのこと
It's not difficult talk at all. If the aforementioned Law that exists underwater were to change into Taikyoku, All of Creation's underwater areas would also be changed to comply. Or just that water that would not evaporate or freeze if it were not the law of the universe-shattering realm would be born.
Beyonder Writers bow down to Beyonder
Beyonder can travel to different fictional universes
Beyonder is embodiment of beyond realm
Jim Shooter confirms he is indeed omnipotent
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension is easier to get through than twisting a baby's hand.
here proof for some concepts being higher dimensional than others
基本的な斬撃という水準を遥か超越した一閃。単純な威力や規模という意味ではなく、切断するという面においてより高次元の概念を帯一びているかのようだった。 A spark that transcends far beyond the tradition of what is essentially simple cutting. But not just in mere terms of its power or magnitude, instead, it appeared to possess higher dimensions of concepts regarding the idea of severance.
so yeah,colorless taikyoku is disconnected from higher dimensions
another example that one can use is always brought by Yakou
Physics don’t affect taikyoku
無論、世に法則といったものは無限に近く存在するし、それら一つ一つが太極というわけではない。
Of course, in this World, an infinite number of Laws exist, it doesn't mean that each one of those can be called Taikyoku .
"And yet, he was unharmed. Completely unharmed. Not even a thin layer of skin was torn off. It was the same as when he received Shiori's fist, and it was as if I saw another phase of physics rather than stubbornness."
喩えるなら 、 絵の中でどれだけ猛火を描写しようと 、 それが現実の 人間を燃やせるわけがないのと同じ 。
To put it in another way, no matter how raging the fire is depicted in a painting, it can't burn a real person.
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
A sense of disconnection, that the place where we are standing isn't the same to begin with
そして 、 絵に現実は害せなくても 、 現実が絵を破壊することは容易 に出来る 。
And even if the picture can't harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture.
Habaki Sakagami (Masadaverse) It’s been directly stated that colorless taikyoku(since Marie was one of the users of taik but didn’t have a craving at the time) are beyond the concepts of the multiverse(the physical ones),this includes by default,time,space,dimensions,physics and so on
in fact it can control the physical concepts of creation
太極・無形。 夜行は森羅万象を司る座に達しているため、此れは厳密な所異能ではない。 単に宇宙の物理現象ならば何でも出来るということであり、世界法則を歪める異能とは全く逆の部類と言える。 ただ、彼の太極は未だ無形で、曰く何の型にも嵌められていないとのこと。 故に、夜行の宇宙はどんな色を帯びるのか、其れに染まればどうなるのか、今は何も分からない。 分かっているのは、此の男であっても太極という単位においては未熟な赤子同然という、目眩を覚えるような事実のみ。 そもそも、なぜ彼がそんな領域に達しているのか。。。既にそこからして不明である。 Colourless Taikyoku/Taiji. For Yakou to reach the Throne that governs everything in existence isn't necessarily a miracle per se. Simply put, he is able to do anything he wants when it comes to the universe's physical phenomena, the complete opposite to the ability of distorting and bending the laws of the universe to the users' will. Although, this type of phenomena has never occurred in the past, nevertheless his Taikyoku has not been fully manifested yet. We do not know for certain what shape would Yakou's universe take on, nor do we know what would happened if it was dyed in his colour. We know for a fact that when it comes to this man's Taikyoku, it is similar to a newborn infant; still incomplete. It isn't clear how he exactly attained this degree of power in the first place.
and all their phases
それに合わせて揺らめく太極。組替えられる森羅の理が軋みながら、夜摩の万象が位相を変えてこの世界に顕れだす。 The shimmering taikyoku flickers in time with it. As the truth of all creation begins to creak, all the phenomena of the night sky begin to appear in this world in different phases.
Team Gressil (Ghost Rider)@Collectfire75 Ghost rider is stronger than Phoenix. I certainly do not argue about this. However, Phoenix is still underrated. Magneto raised the bridge. And Phoenix controls metal more powerfully than him, and not only metal. He also has telepathy
Godzilla Earth (Anigoji) (Toho) Godzilla (monsterverse) solos PPG, Vader solos Mando and ties it with Obi Wan , Kylo and Rey tie it out, Godzilla Earth solos Luke and Shin.
So it leaves Monsterverse Godzilla vs Godzilla Earth.
Godzilla Earth is simply too big for MV Godzilla to handle and wins.
Team Gressil (Ghost Rider) Wolverine stabbed her and she died. Ghost Rider has a strong healing factor and weapons way more powerful than Logan's claws, Dark Phoenix is gonna die.
Tzeentch (Warhammer 40K) & Xerath (League Of Legends) Assuming all others are equal, Xerath's the most likely to win in a confrontation between the league characters.
For noob users, yes but not for editor who has been on the site for a year and know the rules. Also I dont know he edited this based on that "s" or not.
She-Hulk She Hulk beat Man-Thing
She Hulk beat Thanos's clone
She Hulk defeats Thor
She Hulk defeated Champion of the universe who destroyed planet while battling Thanos
Staggeres Green Scar Hulk
And survives attacks from Green Scar Hulk
Muzan (Masadaverse)@Vers05 There is no omnipotence in fiction, and Eru did not create Muzan, so Eru does not know who Muzan is and how strong he is, so when Eru meets Muzan, he ceases to be omnipotent.
Waverider doesn't take damage, because he's an energy-based life form he can just absorb attacks / energy blasts:
he's almost impossible to defeat
I agree and I'm still wondering why the concept is so difficult to understand for many that "any" supreme / omnipotent creator of a whole setting which never got retconned - naturally transcends absolutely all other spaces, times, dimensions and especially all other concepts which exist or which could have existed.
I've read the manga multiple times (also watched the anime) and I can say this about 07-Ghost's cosmology:
(1) Physical Plane of Reality (e.g. Earth) -> High Universe Level
(2) Physical Plane contains past states of the universe, allowing for (limited) Time Travel (e.g. with the power of Relikt) -> at least Timeline Level
(3) It also allows for parallel + infinitely repeating Time Looped realities in response to wishes which were granted by Verloren's agents (called Kors and Wars)
-> at least Multiverse Level
(4) Also contains multiple space-time transcendent (e.g. Afterlife-) realms (e.g. Heaven, Hell, the Land of Seele) -> at least Higher Dimensional Reality Level
(5) Contains a Supreme Creator called Chief of Heaven, who (by definition) transcends all other spaces, times, dimensions and even all other concepts -> at least Outerverse Level
Easy enough.
Chief of Heaven is the supreme being / creator of the 07-Ghost universe.
He is modelled after the usual templates from mythology, the father of Archangels like Mikhail and Raphael and also the creator of Verloren, the God of Death, and creator of the 7 Ghosts.
Actually, I had already given a direct link to Chief of Heaven with a way more comprehensive description of what Chief of Heaven is and what he can do.
to further add onto this,colorless taikyoku is beyond conceptual dualities
太極――陰陽道における万物の元始であり、宇宙の中心点を指す概念。彼ら御門の人間にとっては常識的な単語だが、その意味するとこは茫漠としてはっきりしない。
Taikyoku ― The genesis of everything within the Cosmic Dual Forces ― The way of Yin and Yang ― and the conceptual core point of the universe. A word which is common knowledge among the people of the Mikado, however its meaning is vague and unclear
this includes the concept of space in the same scan
そもそも空間の概念自体を意識したことがない。思えば有り得ない話である。
In all likelihood, I have never been aware of the concept of space itself. Thinking about it, it is impossible.
己が法則で森羅万象を制圧する太極と、己が法則のみ森羅万象から外れるという太極である。
My own Law which lets me gain total control of all things in Creation, my own Law that disconnects me from all things in Creation is Taikyoku
ソラ
人界の穴とはよく言ったもの。彼は現世の何者とも交わらぬまま、ただ一人の宙を見ている特異点に他ならない。
A hole in the mortal realm, as the saying goes. He is nothing but a singularity staring into space, unconnected to anything in this world.
to be disconnected means to view everything below as a canvas as said in Akuro vs Soujirou scene
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
A sense of disconnection, that the place where we are standing isn't the same to begin with
そして 、 絵に現実は害せなくても 、 現実が絵を破壊することは容易 に出来る 。
And even if the picture can't harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture
he views everything as a mere mandala that will never become true
「私にとって、万象はこの曼荼羅だ。景色は遠い。美しいが掛け離れている」
"To me, all of creation is just a mandala. The landscape is distant. It is beautiful, but ever so away.
In reality, cutlery carries a Law called "cutting", fire has a Law called "burning". In the case of the Law that exists while underwater, something like pulmonary respiration cannot happen. Such assorted Laws are mere physics.
何も難しい話ではない。 前述した水中の法が太極と化したなら、全宇宙が水底に変わるというだけのこと。もしくは、宇宙 を砕く領域の法でなければ蒸発も凍結もしない水が誕生するだけのこと
It's not difficult talk at all. If the aforementioned Law that exists underwater were to change into Taikyoku, All of Creation's underwater areas would also be changed to comply. Or just that water that would not evaporate or freeze if it were not the law of the universe-shattering realm would be born.
Beyonder can travel to different fictional universes
Beyonder is embodiment of beyond realm
Jim Shooter confirms he is indeed omnipotent
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension is easier to get through than twisting a baby's hand.
here proof for some concepts being higher dimensional than others
基本的な斬撃という水準を遥か超越した一閃。単純な威力や規模という意味ではなく、切断するという面においてより高次元の概念を帯一びているかのようだった。 A spark that transcends far beyond the tradition of what is essentially simple cutting. But not just in mere terms of its power or magnitude, instead, it appeared to possess higher dimensions of concepts regarding the idea of severance.
so yeah,colorless taikyoku is disconnected from higher dimensions
another example that one can use is always brought by Yakou
Physics don’t affect taikyoku
無論、世に法則といったものは無限に近く存在するし、それら一つ一つが太極というわけではない。
Of course, in this World, an infinite number of Laws exist, it doesn't mean that each one of those can be called Taikyoku .
なのに無傷 。 まったく無傷 。 薄皮一枚切り裂けない 。 それは紫織の 拳を受け止めたときと同様で 、 頑強さと言うより別位相の物理を目に したかのようだった
"And yet, he was unharmed. Completely unharmed. Not even a thin layer of skin was torn off. It was the same as when he received Shiori's fist, and it was as if I saw another phase of physics rather than stubbornness."
喩えるなら 、 絵の中でどれだけ猛火を描写しようと 、 それが現実の 人間を燃やせるわけがないのと同じ 。
To put it in another way, no matter how raging the fire is depicted in a painting, it can't burn a real person.
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
A sense of disconnection, that the place where we are standing isn't the same to begin with
そして 、 絵に現実は害せなくても 、 現実が絵を破壊することは容易 に出来る 。
And even if the picture can't harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture.
in fact it can control the physical concepts of creation
太極・無形。 夜行は森羅万象を司る座に達しているため、此れは厳密な所異能ではない。 単に宇宙の物理現象ならば何でも出来るということであり、世界法則を歪める異能とは全く逆の部類と言える。 ただ、彼の太極は未だ無形で、曰く何の型にも嵌められていないとのこと。 故に、夜行の宇宙はどんな色を帯びるのか、其れに染まればどうなるのか、今は何も分からない。 分かっているのは、此の男であっても太極という単位においては未熟な赤子同然という、目眩を覚えるような事実のみ。 そもそも、なぜ彼がそんな領域に達しているのか。。。既にそこからして不明である。 Colourless Taikyoku/Taiji. For Yakou to reach the Throne that governs everything in existence isn't necessarily a miracle per se. Simply put, he is able to do anything he wants when it comes to the universe's physical phenomena, the complete opposite to the ability of distorting and bending the laws of the universe to the users' will. Although, this type of phenomena has never occurred in the past, nevertheless his Taikyoku has not been fully manifested yet. We do not know for certain what shape would Yakou's universe take on, nor do we know what would happened if it was dyed in his colour. We know for a fact that when it comes to this man's Taikyoku, it is similar to a newborn infant; still incomplete. It isn't clear how he exactly attained this degree of power in the first place.
and all their phases
それに合わせて揺らめく太極。組替えられる森羅の理が軋みながら、夜摩の万象が位相を変えてこの世界に顕れだす。 The shimmering taikyoku flickers in time with it. As the truth of all creation begins to creak, all the phenomena of the night sky begin to appear in this world in different phases.
So it leaves Monsterverse Godzilla vs Godzilla Earth.
Godzilla Earth is simply too big for MV Godzilla to handle and wins.
He doesn't belong here
She Hulk beat Thanos's clone
She Hulk defeats Thor
She Hulk defeated Champion of the universe who destroyed planet while battling Thanos
Staggeres Green Scar Hulk
And survives attacks from Green Scar Hulk