Team Superman (Sun-dipped)@remy94 They made it canon to sell their new game. That's kinda weak. I'm not against adding this profile to the website thought.
Actually, let's do it as soon as possible, so we don't get all the meme-votes on this one.
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I agree.
Eru obviously transcends all concepts and all dualities (== all of existence), because he created them all in the very first place - and by doing so he proved he was capable of existing in the absence of all concepts and in the absence of all dualities (== all of existence).
He's also stated / confirmed omnipotent by the author of the setting, and in the absence of clear anti-feats or clear anti-statements (e.g. Eru suddenly retconning himself and revealing that there are certain things not even he could do) the definition of the author should remain valid.
Team Superman (Sun-dipped)@Galactus Warner Bros have made it official, Ultra Instinct Shaggy is a real character, he has appeared in a Mortal Kombat film and recently in the multi-vs video game.
I agree
Eru - just like all other characters of the supreme creator archetype - created all that is (+ all concepts such as time, space, dimensions, life, death and even the very concept of duality ofc) - and therefore Eru (and all other creator archetypes) proved beyond any doubts that he transcends all that is 100% (+ transcends all concepts) , because obviously Eru was capable of existing and of accomplishing feats even in the absence of all (+ in the absence of all concepts) (before the very act of creation)
There are other properties and powers that come automatically (and are implied) for all characters who are of the supreme creator archetype:
(1) Acausality
Another term for this would be Primordial Existence.
It means that such a being can exist before and without any other causes that preceded it.
I know that in other fandom wikis this term is given way too easily and inflationary to all sorts of characters who clearly are nowhere near acausal , because the very moment they are the result or the product of a story which followed the rules of the concept of causality they can no longer be Acausal.
(2) Transduality
It's worth only 1 point here on SHDB, when in fact it should be worth more than Nigh-Omnipotence. It's almost always a power that's only owned by Omnipotent Beings who can exist , act and accomplish feats (e.g. create) even in the very absence of logic and reason. Against a Transdual Being it's already by definition impossible to determine whether they have lost or won a battle (they transcend the very Lose-Win Duality, too, after all)
For Eru it was also obviously confirmed by the author himself that this being is omnipotent,
and that Eru was modelled after well-known Supreme Beings from religions / mythologies for which we better avoid a debate whether they are omnipotent or not, because their lengthy & mysterious stories are actually what defined the very Trope of what constitutes Omnipotence (they defined the meaning of the term) in the first place.
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On the other hand I think there's nothing wrong with also being truthful about the actual size of the universe Eru created (the Tolkien Verse), it's fine to give Eru a lower attack potency tier than the supreme creators or destroyes of much bigger settings (Marvel, DC).
More attack potency and being from a bigger setting should NOT be mistaken as a possible counter to Eru's Special Powers, which include Acausality / Duality Transcendence (already these two are almost impossible to counter with strength alone) and Omnipotence (there is no counter to this.
Not even a Attack Tier 10 being which has even only 1 weakness (e.g. higher ups in its own verse) can possibly ever hope to defeat even only a Tier 1 Omnipotent Being with no weaknesses.
Yes.
Even a possible supreme + omnipotent + acausal + transdual creator of only a Tier-1 anthill (let's call her the Ant Goddess) would totally (and by definition of "Omnipotence") stomp a non-omnipotent Tier-10 Megaverse Buster without even trying.
That's just what HAX and broken powers (and Omnipotence is the most broken one) is all about.
Cosmic Cube/post-retcon Beyonder is the child unit of Beyonder ivory King. they created almost omnipotent beings like Post-retcon beyonder, Cosmos, Cubic and Shaper of Worlds as alien sentient beings that Function well, so the ivory kings should be level 10 + omnilock Because the beyond realm is a place that exists beyond everything and the beyonders come from there .
Also if Eru won't be omnipotent Hajun shouldn't be either because Hajun achieved omnipotence which isn't even possible since you can't achieve omnipotence and that tumor that gave him "omnipotence" was taken away from him
@tigerking2020 I said he should be at least Outer(tier 9) I have also made it clear if other supreme beings are tier 10. Logically he should be as well. As well as omnipotent. Although imo tier 10 nobody truly deserves
@Monster since Eru is literally the writer of his own story shouldn't he be tier ten?
"The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'."
-Source. Tolkeins letter 192.
Personally I thought tier 9 omnipotent was perfect I there was no reason for it to be changed
because he is omnipotent, he is above his own narrative meaning his is on tier with his own author like the (TOAA) he be at LEAST tier 10. Tolkien implied Eru was a bigger writing than himself.
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What about this version?
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While the other is just ink in a book.
Actually, let's do it as soon as possible, so we don't get all the meme-votes on this one.
- Movies with less than 5 ratings show up in grey and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Eru obviously transcends all concepts and all dualities (== all of existence), because he created them all in the very first place - and by doing so he proved he was capable of existing in the absence of all concepts and in the absence of all dualities (== all of existence).
He's also stated / confirmed omnipotent by the author of the setting, and in the absence of clear anti-feats or clear anti-statements (e.g. Eru suddenly retconning himself and revealing that there are certain things not even he could do) the definition of the author should remain valid.
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Eru - just like all other characters of the supreme creator archetype - created all that is (+ all concepts such as time, space, dimensions, life, death and even the very concept of duality ofc) - and therefore Eru (and all other creator archetypes) proved beyond any doubts that he transcends all that is 100% (+ transcends all concepts) , because obviously Eru was capable of existing and of accomplishing feats even in the absence of all (+ in the absence of all concepts) (before the very act of creation)
There are other properties and powers that come automatically (and are implied) for all characters who are of the supreme creator archetype:
(1) Acausality
Another term for this would be Primordial Existence.
It means that such a being can exist before and without any other causes that preceded it.
I know that in other fandom wikis this term is given way too easily and inflationary to all sorts of characters who clearly are nowhere near acausal , because the very moment they are the result or the product of a story which followed the rules of the concept of causality they can no longer be Acausal.
(2) Transduality
It's worth only 1 point here on SHDB, when in fact it should be worth more than Nigh-Omnipotence. It's almost always a power that's only owned by Omnipotent Beings who can exist , act and accomplish feats (e.g. create) even in the very absence of logic and reason. Against a Transdual Being it's already by definition impossible to determine whether they have lost or won a battle (they transcend the very Lose-Win Duality, too, after all)
For Eru it was also obviously confirmed by the author himself that this being is omnipotent,
and that Eru was modelled after well-known Supreme Beings from religions / mythologies for which we better avoid a debate whether they are omnipotent or not, because their lengthy & mysterious stories are actually what defined the very Trope of what constitutes Omnipotence (they defined the meaning of the term) in the first place.
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On the other hand I think there's nothing wrong with also being truthful about the actual size of the universe Eru created (the Tolkien Verse), it's fine to give Eru a lower attack potency tier than the supreme creators or destroyes of much bigger settings (Marvel, DC).
More attack potency and being from a bigger setting should NOT be mistaken as a possible counter to Eru's Special Powers, which include Acausality / Duality Transcendence (already these two are almost impossible to counter with strength alone) and Omnipotence (there is no counter to this.
Not even a Attack Tier 10 being which has even only 1 weakness (e.g. higher ups in its own verse) can possibly ever hope to defeat even only a Tier 1 Omnipotent Being with no weaknesses.
Yes.
Even a possible supreme + omnipotent + acausal + transdual creator of only a Tier-1 anthill (let's call her the Ant Goddess) would totally (and by definition of "Omnipotence") stomp a non-omnipotent Tier-10 Megaverse Buster without even trying.
That's just what HAX and broken powers (and Omnipotence is the most broken one) is all about.
who wins?
"The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'."
-Source. Tolkeins letter 192.
Personally I thought tier 9 omnipotent was perfect I there was no reason for it to be changed
base spawn no chances